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| 00:32.35 | bhima | hmm. I might need big power decoupling capacitors. |
| 00:33.22 | MonMotha | bhima: go to MAI Prime Parts in Indianapolis...they've got some VERY LARGE caps :) |
| 00:33.39 | MonMotha | (like, I first thought they were 1 gallon cans of paint thinner or something) |
| 00:35.33 | bhima | do they sell online? |
| 00:36.46 | MonMotha | I don't think so, but they will ship if you call them up IIRC |
| 00:36.54 | MonMotha | let me get you their number/address |
| 00:36.58 | MonMotha | where are you located btw? |
| 00:37.22 | MonMotha | MAI/Prime Parts |
| 00:37.26 | MonMotha | Milo Associates, Inc. |
| 00:37.33 | MonMotha | 5736 N. Michigan Road |
| 00:37.41 | MonMotha | Indianapolis, IN 46228 |
| 00:37.43 | bhima | pittsburgh |
| 00:37.47 | MonMotha | (317) 257-6811 |
| 00:38.01 | MonMotha | I think they'll ship to you if you ask them |
| 00:38.11 | MonMotha | but there's probably someplace similar closer to you |
| 00:38.51 | bhima | I've been told of a local surplus place with reels of random parts for ~$4/reel. |
| 00:38.55 | bhima | will try to go there this week. |
| 00:39.48 | MonMotha | basically these are the guys I go to if the local radio shack doesn't have what I need (I actually have a decent radio shack compared to most, no where near as good as a few years ago tho) |
| 00:39.58 | MonMotha | and if these guys don't have it, well then it's off to Digi-Key :) |
| 00:41.46 | bhima | I know of a local place. I should try to find out more of what they have, but it's not that close by. |
| 00:42.00 | bhima | and too frequently I need weird stuff. |
| 00:43.29 | bhima | my circuit boards from malaysia should be here on monday. |
| 00:43.42 | bhima | then I can build the power supply handling side of the car install. |
| 00:44.37 | MonMotha | these guys are about 30min from me, but I'm frequently shopping and such 15min that way anyway |
| 00:45.19 | bhima | mmm. this place is completely off in the middle of nowhere. only thing near them is a local photo shop. best one around, but I don't go there much. |
| 00:47.14 | MonMotha | btw, I found a REALLY good book on digital electronics for anyone just getting into them (like me) |
| 00:47.53 | MonMotha | it's actually a radio shack book, but it manages to start from pretty much the beginning (I could easily skip the first two chapters or so) and goes pretty deep (it even talks about DRAM, which I wouldn't have forseen being in a RS hobbyist book) |
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| 00:48.23 | file | sjhill! |
| 00:48.30 | sjhill | hi file |
| 00:48.43 | ][N-Flux | file |
| 00:48.46 | file | been doing any Nino hacking lately? |
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| 00:49.59 | bhima | mon: title? |
| 00:50.00 | file | hi andersee |
| 00:51.29 | MonMotha | bhima: "Basic Digital Electronigs", Alvis J. Evans, RS CAT #62-1334 |
| 00:51.39 | MonMotha | and with a cat number like that it's probably out of print |
| 00:51.58 | andersee | evening file |
| 00:52.02 | MonMotha | copyright 1996 |
| 01:32.22 | MonMotha | not good |
| 01:32.25 | bhima | serial input line on the tux was producing characters during boot. blob stopped. |
| 01:32.35 | bhima | I knew not to do that in seventh grade. |
| 01:32.38 | bhima | I am regressing. |
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| 01:32.50 | bhima | <-- not ECE. CS. |
| 01:32.59 | bhima | but, see, they weren't inputs. |
| 01:33.06 | bhima | they were just pins I didn't care about. |
| 01:33.11 | bhima | cause they were to this big connector. |
| 01:33.22 | bhima | so I just worried about the pins I, well, need to worry about. |
| 01:33.29 | MonMotha | heh |
| 01:34.00 | bhima | anyway, it seems to be pretty much working now. |
| 01:34.05 | MonMotha | amazing how that works |
| 01:34.08 | bhima | so I get to attempt a blob upgrade again. |
| 01:34.19 | MonMotha | what blob you using? |
| 01:34.31 | bhima | the buggy one :( |
| 01:34.50 | bhima | 20020709 is what I am going to try to install. though it wasn't behaving very well. |
| 01:35.14 | bhima | specifically, reblob hung. |
| 01:35.49 | MonMotha | sure your new blob is good? |
| 01:36.16 | file | MonMotha: expiry date? |
| 01:36.24 | MonMotha | file: ?? |
| 01:36.30 | file | MonMotha: joke |
| 01:36.34 | MonMotha | oh... |
| 01:36.48 | file | MonMotha: read what you said, read what I said |
| 01:37.33 | bhima | tried the md5sum of it :/ |
| 01:38.06 | bhima | length is right too. |
| 01:38.29 | bhima | it goes to the prompt, and then just sorta sits there. |
| 01:39.12 | bhima | any suggestions about how to deal with that...? |
| 01:41.10 | bhima | or any other working blob versions I can try? |
| 01:43.29 | file | <<silence>> |
| 01:43.41 | file | we aren't very helpful are we? |
| 01:45.21 | bhima | I'll try the other motherboard I guess. it might work. |
| 01:45.36 | bhima | been trying to keep my hardware hacking to a single board due to, well, the risks. |
| 01:48.04 | MonMotha | bhima: I have a couple PCs that I keep just for hardware hacking |
| 01:48.12 | MonMotha | so far I think I've managed to only fry one paralell port |
| 01:48.17 | MonMotha | *parallel |
| 01:51.05 | bhima | not bad. I've generally had good luck with not frying stuff. |
| 01:51.15 | bhima | have you done ECP/EPP parallel port stuff? |
| 01:51.36 | bhima | blob originally gave me the "blob>" prompt. |
| 01:51.51 | bhima | at osme point in the last few minutes, on the same line, it displayed "blob>" again. |
| 01:51.52 | bhima | weird. |
| 01:52.04 | file | it's a ghost |
| 01:52.57 | MonMotha | bhima: didn't you just tie the serial port input to ground? :) |
| 01:53.10 | MonMotha | bhima: nope, I'm working with the pport under software control |
| 01:53.26 | MonMotha | as ECP/EPP modes for what I'm doing would probably require a microcontroller on the other end to interpret |
| 02:00.52 | bhima | I want higher speed. |
| 02:00.58 | bhima | in fact, I think I'm gonna use USB2. |
| 02:04.19 | MonMotha | no 1394? |
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| 02:06.37 | bhima | complexity of the chipsets I've seen. |
| 02:06.48 | bhima | I've seen more easy to deal with usb2 than firewire. |
| 02:07.06 | bhima | well, ok, tibook, blue/white g3, camcorder, ipod. |
| 02:07.12 | bhima | not a huge amount, but enough :) |
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| 02:08.25 | MonMotha | well, the biggest problem with USB and 1394 is the equivilent of the layer 2 protocols |
| 02:08.44 | MonMotha | rather than only describing how the physical bus must work, they describe how you have to move data |
| 02:08.54 | MonMotha | though I guess that's a consequence of being a bus rather than a port :) |
| 02:10.08 | bhima | I think the target markets are an issue too. firewire devices tend to be faster and more full featured. |
| 02:10.23 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:10.31 | bhima | weird. this other tuxscreen is quite happy with the new blob. |
| 02:10.31 | MonMotha | but USB has the same "problems" |
| 02:10.57 | MonMotha | it's just a lot more difficult to work with USB or 1394 than it is with the RS-232 serial ports or PC paralell ports |
| 02:11.36 | bhima | in general, yes - but some silicon makes it easier than other stuff. |
| 02:12.43 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:13.01 | bhima | do you know what the extra characters at the end of an xmodem download are? just byte 0...? |
| 02:13.29 | MonMotha | nope |
| 02:17.13 | bhima | blob displays the md5sum of the downloaded file. |
| 02:17.20 | bhima | but xmodem appends random crap. |
| 02:17.26 | bhima | and it's not just zeros. just tested that. |
| 02:18.02 | MonMotha | tried the uuencode method? |
| 02:18.32 | bhima | blob 2.0.5-pre3 doesn't do uuencode. |
| 02:18.50 | bhima | also, uuencode doesn't really do anything better in terms of robustness. |
| 02:18.57 | bhima | it's just that xmodem is _attempting_ to make it work. |
| 02:19.35 | bhima | should I append zeros to the end of the blob _before_ I upload it? |
| 02:19.39 | bhima | then I can verify the md5sum. |
| 02:19.49 | bhima | but, no, I own't, just in case it's fucked up in some way. |
| 02:19.53 | bhima | I'm 99% sure that I can do that. |
| 02:19.55 | bhima | but I won't. |
| 02:20.01 | bhima | cause the instructions are clear. |
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| 02:24.39 | bhima | excellent. new blob. |
| 02:25.12 | MonMotha | anyone in here happen to have ops in #handhelds.org? |
| 02:25.18 | MonMotha | I've never seen so many trolls |
| 02:28.31 | sjhill | MonMotha: it's the Orcs you need to be careful of |
| 02:28.40 | MonMotha | sjhill: I guess... |
| 02:30.07 | TomW | MonMotha: I ain't a troll, I'm an ogre. |
| 02:31.56 | MonMotha | ibot seen france |
| 02:32.05 | | france <~fred@pool-151-203-219-143.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 1d 23h 33m 40s ago, saying: 'brb, door bell.'. |
| 02:35.43 | bhima | where can I get kernel source...? |
| 02:35.50 | file | for? |
| 02:36.08 | bhima | tuxscreen. like the 0.6 source. |
| 02:38.04 | bhima | just found the instructions in v0.3/README. 2.4.6 followed by patches. anything newer/better...? |
| 02:42.27 | TomW | bhima: isn't the blob source in the cvs? |
| 02:43.05 | bhima | where is the CVS tree? |
| 02:44.04 | TomW | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxscreen |
| 02:44.37 | TomW | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/ |
| 02:45.00 | bhima | ahh, thank you muchly. |
| 02:45.24 | TomW | use the source, luke |
| 02:45.31 | ade|desk | lol |
| 02:45.38 | bhima | I'm going to lobotomize the kernel. |
| 02:45.49 | bhima | ie: get rid of ucb1200 foo. |
| 02:45.59 | TomW | only way to learn is to trash the kernel once in a while. |
| 02:46.10 | sjhill | bhima: i'm working on a unified ucb1200 for MIPS and ARM |
| 02:46.45 | bhima | well, the reason I'm doing it is cause my tux no longer has one. |
| 02:47.21 | file | sjhill: did you answer my question? I can't remember... |
| 02:47.43 | sjhill | file: oh, no...sorry...no i haven't started nino hacking...i'm cleaning up a massive amount of files currently |
| 02:47.54 | file | sjhill: ok! |
| 02:48.29 | file | my step-dad no longer uses my Nino, so I am able to use it for testing |
| 02:48.55 | ][N-Flux | nino, the old philips thing? |
| 02:49.04 | file | ][N-Flux: yes |
| 02:49.21 | ][N-Flux | I used to have one |
| 02:49.32 | file | ][N-Flux: ic, sjhill did/is doing the Linux port |
| 02:49.32 | ][N-Flux | also had a velo |
| 02:49.36 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 02:49.41 | ][N-Flux | find me one :) |
| 02:50.16 | ][N-Flux | still have my cybiko |
| 02:50.40 | file | with an MP3 Player |
| 02:50.50 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 02:51.21 | gatofisch | anyone have a known-working blob with X that I could have? |
| 02:51.28 | gatofisch | I'm having troubles with the tuxscreen.net one |
| 02:55.19 | ade|desk | sjhill: hows your mips toolchaining going ? |
| 02:55.54 | ade|desk | sjhill: last i heard you were having having linking problems |
| 02:56.46 | sjhill | ade|desk: everything is fine...i have a normal as well as soft floating point toolchains for uClibc C/C++ |
| 02:56.56 | sjhill | ade|desk: i'm quite pleased |
| 02:57.30 | ade|desk | i can never get c++ working ... keeps bumming out on mipsel |
| 02:57.47 | ade|desk | whats the trick ? |
| 03:05.52 | sjhill | ade|desk: give me $100 and i'll tell ya' |
| 03:07.06 | ade|desk | now spill the beans |
| 03:07.11 | ade|desk | :) |
| 03:07.24 | sjhill | it's probably easier if i just give you my toolchain RPMS and you try it out yourself |
| 03:07.34 | sjhill | i'll give you the SRPMS too |
| 03:07.42 | sjhill | ade|desk: email? |
| 03:07.52 | sjhill | i haven't uploaded them to my FTP server yet |
| 03:09.10 | ade|desk | ade@beth2.org |
| 03:09.15 | ade|desk | ta |
| 03:09.50 | sjhill | ade|desk: i'll get em' uploaded and let you know when they are availalbe |
| 03:10.18 | ade|desk | fantastic thanks |
| 03:12.11 | sjhill | np |
| 04:12.30 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.32 | bhima | er. |
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| 05:27.53 | Clarisa_ | holis a todossssss |
| 05:28.13 | Clarisa_ | a que juegan aqui? |
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| 05:29.49 | MonMotha | Se habla ingles aqui :) |
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| 07:04.07 | BZFlag | MonMotha: nice try, but that was not spanish. |
| 07:04.30 | BZFlag | ~x en pr what do you speak here? |
| 07:04.32 | | i haven't a clue, BZFlag |
| 07:04.38 | BZFlag | ~x en pl what do you speak here? |
| 07:04.40 | | i haven't a clue, BZFlag |
| 07:05.01 | BZFlag | hmm.... what's the 2 letter for portuguese? |
| 07:07.01 | BZFlag | ~x en pt what do you speak here? |
| 07:07.46 | BZFlag | ah, well. different but I think it was still portuguese |
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| 15:27.58 | sorphin | prpplague: oh, you again |
| 15:28.54 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, like a case of herpes, i just keep coming back |
| 15:29.12 | sorphin | thankfully, i wouldn't know |
| 15:29.17 | sorphin | sup? |
| 15:29.34 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 15:30.08 | sorphin | aloo chris |
| 15:30.17 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 15:30.22 | prpplague | kergoth: at work? |
| 15:30.46 | prpplague | ibot: seen andersee |
| 15:30.51 | | prpplague: i haven't seen 'andersee ' |
| 15:31.02 | prpplague | ibot: seen andersee |
| 15:31.03 | | andersee <~andersen@codepoet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 9h 41m 50s ago, saying: ':)'. |
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| 15:31.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:31.20 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh... home sweet icebox |
| 15:31.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:31.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 15:31.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: same |
| 15:31.35 | sorphin | prpplague: now that was weird |
| 15:31.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: little cold? |
| 15:31.43 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 15:31.55 | sorphin | prpplague: it took 2 identical tries for ibot to "see" him |
| 15:32.11 | sorphin | or did you actually have that space at the end? |
| 15:32.11 | prpplague | sorphin: no, the first included a space at the of the name |
| 15:32.28 | sorphin | stupid ibot should strip those ;p |
| 15:32.42 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 15:32.44 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 15:32.51 | prpplague | anyone here used the loadkmap/dumpkmap in BB ? |
| 15:33.12 | sorphin | nope |
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| 15:40.04 | sorphin | mornin tom |
| 15:40.10 | TomW | sorphin: finally got the X server working. |
| 15:40.15 | sorphin | cool |
| 15:40.38 | sorphin | never did get buildroot to cooperate, nor any of the blobing to work.. heh |
| 15:41.16 | TomW | I had to build a ModeLine on another machine and set the vertical sync rate to 75Hz. I don't know why the darned 845G server insisted that my LCD monitor could run at 85Hz! |
| 15:41.27 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 15:41.33 | sorphin | i run at 85hz when i can |
| 15:41.44 | sorphin | or atleast 75 |
| 15:41.53 | sorphin | so much easier on the eyes |
| 15:41.57 | TomW | stupid Intel chipsets anyway, the VIA stuff always seems to work, but I keep purchasing Intel crap like a fool all the time! |
| 15:42.08 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:42.32 | TomW | heh |
| 15:42.49 | sorphin | PPro (which they were stupid to give up on, because of M$ pressure) |
| 15:42.51 | TomW | SA1100, SA1110, 8051... |
| 15:43.03 | TomW | X86 sux |
| 15:43.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:43.21 | sorphin | maybe |
| 15:43.30 | sorphin | but i don't see ARM outrunning it ;p |
| 15:43.32 | TomW | I always liked the M68K way of doing things, but intel X86 chips ran so much faster. |
| 15:43.53 | TomW | ARM is cool for embedded stuff, X86 sux for embedded work. |
| 15:44.00 | prpplague | amen |
| 15:44.26 | sorphin | prpplague: don't you have some more bubble chips to find ? ;p |
| 15:44.30 | prpplague | TomW: boards are looking good |
| 15:44.44 | prpplague | TomW: we sound have a 10 qty build by first of jan. |
| 15:45.02 | TomW | Intel seems to think that everyone can afford to add a chipset to an embedded system so you can have the privilige of running X86. |
| 15:45.18 | TomW | prpplague: sounds good! |
| 15:45.48 | TomW | prpplague: boards are stable? I mean the SDRAM is okay, no hiccups? |
| 15:46.55 | sorphin | TomW: hey, where's a good source for the chips to upgrade the tux's mem? |
| 15:47.05 | sorphin | since your name is all over this ;) |
| 15:48.05 | prpplague | TomW: ya seems good |
| 15:48.09 | TomW | whew! Umm, trouble is to find someone willing to sell / part with a small quantity. The distributors usually don't like to break open a box (flat) of hermetically sealed chips just to sell you a handfull |
| 15:48.15 | prpplague | TomW: we are still running through some tests |
| 15:48.23 | prpplague | TomW: but everthing looks good so far |
| 15:49.04 | sorphin | TomW: i'm good at getting samples ;) |
| 15:49.34 | TomW | sorphin: I usually rely upon the Manufacturer's Representative (Micron Rep) in my area to run interference for me sometimes with the stocking distributors. Sometimes, the Rep can get me 8-10 pieces as "samples"... |
| 15:49.55 | sorphin | TomW: heh, that's what i did w/ atmel |
| 15:50.05 | sorphin | 6 "samples" of a flash chip |
| 15:50.31 | sorphin | i called this one place about some smt fuses |
| 15:50.36 | sorphin | she asks how many do i need? |
| 15:50.38 | sorphin | "2" |
| 15:50.39 | TomW | sorphin: Most of the problem is that the Reps are being hit by Hobbyists looking for a freebie and have no intention of ever affecting the bottom line sales of the manufacturer. |
| 15:50.47 | sorphin | and they just sent me out 4 samples |
| 15:51.01 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:52.08 | TomW | sorphin: You have to get "qualified" as a serious design engineer. THAT is the rub, if you are a real designer, they will go to extremes if they know you are serious. |
| 15:52.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:52.48 | sorphin | well, haven't had to do that yet, but prolly could if needed be |
| 15:53.20 | TomW | sorphin: most of what has happened to me as a consultant, has been the Rep will visit me and see what I am actually doing. In that visit, I show them what else I have been / are doing for my customers. For me this has not been an issue: credability. |
| 15:56.14 | TomW | Yeah, they usually don't have a problem with 5 peices, you run into problems if you ask for 20 or more. |
| 15:56.52 | prpplague | TomW: http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/ |
| 15:57.12 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i've yet to need 20 of anything |
| 15:57.27 | TomW | although, I had to sample 30 connectors from Molex one time. The stuff was ONLY available from Tape & Reel, not from loose stock. So, I explained the problem to the Molex rep and they cut a strip off a reel and sent it to me. |
| 15:57.37 | sorphin | prpplague: yes, you do need to rescale these pics ;p |
| 15:57.49 | sorphin | TomW: cool |
| 15:58.00 | prpplague | sorphin: my german partner is doing that site |
| 15:58.06 | sorphin | prpplague: hey, that's a trator SA :P |
| 15:58.18 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 15:58.34 | sorphin | it's an intel chip impersonating an strongarm *grin* |
| 15:58.49 | sorphin | that ugly ass big lowercase i on it ;p |
| 15:59.16 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry i'm not following you |
| 15:59.32 | sorphin | look at the strongarm in your tux |
| 15:59.37 | prpplague | sorphin: yes? |
| 15:59.40 | sorphin | look at the strongarm on your board ;p |
| 15:59.48 | prpplague | sorphin: yes? |
| 15:59.48 | TomW | I fear that I am losing credability with the Cirrus Logic rep though. I sampled several of their ARM processors without producing a order for them. But, they did give ("loan") me an EP7212 EVB when I bitch'ed to them about the cost of the EP7312 EVB. |
| 16:00.05 | sorphin | your SA looks like an intel chipset chip posing as a strongarm ;p (i'm kidding around here :P ) |
| 16:00.25 | prpplague | TomW: ya the sharp guy has gotten me the same way |
| 16:00.38 | TomW | prpplague: ? |
| 16:00.40 | prpplague | sorphin: the tux is a sa-1100 the hackkit is sa-1110 |
| 16:00.49 | sorphin | prpplague: nevermind :P |
| 16:00.51 | TomW | prpplague: as to samples? |
| 16:00.55 | prpplague | TomW: wearing thin on samples |
| 16:01.18 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, just sometimes they have interesting stuff, but it turns out to be useless. |
| 16:01.21 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry, just a little dense this morning |
| 16:01.37 | sorphin | ~fishslap prpplague |
| 16:01.41 | | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:01.45 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:01.56 | sorphin | great minds thing alike :P |
| 16:02.00 | sorphin | prpplague: snap outta it ;p |
| 16:02.35 | prpplague | sorphin: sorry dealing with this document imaging has dulled my mind |
| 16:03.00 | sorphin | prpplague: unless it's images of nekkid good looking chicks |
| 16:03.28 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:03.45 | TomW | ok, I got to get to work on this software fix here. The customer is wetting his pants over not having it yet. :( |
| 16:03.48 | prpplague | sorphin: ya we had this software demo for our accounting database |
| 16:03.54 | prpplague | sorphin: it was called dbdemo |
| 16:04.13 | prpplague | sorphin: a whole hardware business |
| 16:04.50 | prpplague | sorphin: we created another one called dbdemHoe |
| 16:05.00 | prpplague | sorphin: a complete brothel business |
| 16:05.15 | sorphin | haha |
| 16:05.19 | prpplague | sorphin: one of the sales ppl accidently took it to a sales demo |
| 16:05.31 | sorphin | don't you mean dbdemHoes? (w/ an s) |
| 16:05.40 | prpplague | sorphin: the customer thought it was so funny, he bought the system |
| 16:05.47 | sorphin | cool |
| 16:06.01 | sorphin | that just shows |
| 16:06.08 | sorphin | can never go wrong w/ decent pr0n |
| 16:09.15 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh -lots o' talking this morning |
| 16:09.32 | sorphin | till now |
| 16:12.39 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:12.48 | prpplague | ya irc seems busy this morning |
| 16:16.05 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 16:16.18 | sorphin | someone on ebay selling a buncha laptop SODIMMs w/ the MT4LC4M16R6 on them |
| 16:16.53 | prpplague | sorphin: time for a dremel |
| 16:17.07 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:17.20 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2079607225 |
| 16:17.28 | sorphin | one of like... 7 i think |
| 16:17.36 | sorphin | tis in Oz tho |
| 16:17.44 | sorphin | but they'll ship to here |
| 16:17.52 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.51 | sorphin | prpplague: what's w/ the wires and hotglue on the hackkit? |
| 16:20.10 | prpplague | sorphin: dev board |
| 16:20.17 | sorphin | k |
| 16:20.22 | prpplague | sorphin: what 3 layout flaws |
| 16:20.33 | prpplague | sorphin: will be fix in the final production run |
| 16:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | only 3 flaws? Bravo! |
| 16:21.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that we know about :) |
| 16:21.38 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: only 3 *layout* flaws ;) |
| 16:22.06 | CosmicPenguin | The CPU had a little chip glued to it... :) |
| 16:22.51 | sorphin | cute |
| 16:23.01 | sorphin | least it wasn't lonely then |
| 16:23.49 | prpplague | well i hope it sells well, i've got a large chunk of change tied up in this thing |
| 16:23.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you saw my comment last week that they dropped the rio price again, that it was 79 now ? |
| 16:24.25 | sorphin | prpplague: hey, it's a cheap arm dev board *grin* should sell good |
| 16:25.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, I saw that. |
| 16:26.30 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i hope its cheap enough |
| 16:26.47 | sorphin | prpplague: if it's cheaper than what the rest i've seen you point out |
| 16:26.52 | sorphin | it's cheap enough ;) |
| 16:27.14 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm considering selling the first batch at a loss |
| 16:27.23 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:27.25 | sorphin | careful |
| 16:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Do you really think you'll have that much trouble selling them? |
| 16:28.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if you can hand out a stable operating system and tools with them, you should have no problem getting rid of them |
| 16:28.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, its just my inferiority complex talking |
| 16:28.31 | CosmicPenguin | Steps to getting the hackkit up: A) Install the tools (/mnt/cdrom/setup), B) plug in the board, C) there is no third step |
| 16:28.37 | sorphin | prpplague: it'll be fine |
| 16:28.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, the standard rmk will include the changes for the hackkit |
| 16:29.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we stephan sent them in this morning |
| 16:29.14 | sorphin | someone remind me what rmk is short for ;p |
| 16:29.33 | sorphin | and please don't have redhat in there somewhere ;p |
| 16:29.39 | prpplague | Russell King, the father of arm-linux :) |
| 16:29.44 | sorphin | ahh |
| 16:29.57 | sorphin | speaking of kernels |
| 16:30.05 | sorphin | when's the buildroot gonna get a newer kernel? ;) |
| 16:30.16 | prpplague | sorphin: and remember Russell is spelled with two S's and two L's |
| 16:30.27 | sorphin | up, i know |
| 16:30.28 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, he hates that |
| 16:30.49 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:31.17 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:31.27 | sorphin | Micron got assimilated by Crucial? |
| 16:34.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: knowing RMK, prepare to always maintain a tree of your own |
| 16:34.17 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll help with that once I buy my own hackkkit... :) |
| 16:34.26 | sorphin | ditto |
| 16:34.31 | sorphin | once they're available ;) |
| 16:34.59 | sorphin | cept i'm buying a hackkit :P |
| 16:35.22 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing against RMK, mind you, but I just wonder why there are so many ARM forks of the kernel.... |
| 16:35.26 | CosmicPenguin | And I'll leave it at that |
| 16:35.40 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh, yeah. the hackkkit probably wouldn't be what I want |
| 16:36.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the patches are stricly for memory settings, otherwise the code is exactly the same as the assabet |
| 16:37.30 | sorphin | hmmm |
| 16:37.42 | sorphin | prpplague: i saw assabet when i was lookin for a fix for my xmodem problem |
| 16:38.30 | sorphin | or mention of it ayways |
| 16:38.35 | sorphin | anyways |
| 16:38.40 | prpplague | sorphin: so your gonna buy one? :) |
| 16:38.46 | sorphin | of your hackkit? |
| 16:38.50 | sorphin | of course :P |
| 16:39.18 | prpplague | sorphin: great, i was under the impression you said it was too expensive for you.... |
| 16:39.42 | sorphin | remind me of what the cost will be :P |
| 16:41.26 | prpplague | sorphin: $450 for the complete kit, $400 for just the board, and i'll probably sell about 20 units for $99 to some of the dev ppl |
| 16:41.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that means, for you, $600 out the door, but he is going to ship it by way of file just because |
| 16:41.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 16:42.03 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:42.12 | prpplague | i'm still pissed about that |
| 16:42.31 | prpplague | they promissed to send the switch back, but i've not heard a thing about it |
| 16:42.55 | sorphin | prpplague: so... which would i fall under? |
| 16:43.02 | prpplague | and the one i sent via USPS to mallum in the uk went missing at hethrow |
| 16:43.16 | sorphin | oh, cute |
| 16:43.29 | sorphin | tho, it's not hard to go missing in heathrow ;) |
| 16:43.34 | prpplague | i have the worst luck shipping things |
| 16:45.37 | prpplague | hold on, i'm trying to add up all the harrasment duties and taxes |
| 16:46.11 | sorphin | eh? |
| 16:46.19 | sorphin | "harrasment duties and taxes" ? |
| 16:46.50 | prpplague | "pos whore" |
| 16:46.59 | prpplague | that kind of stuff, lol |
| 16:47.51 | prpplague | sorphin: jk |
| 16:48.27 | prpplague | sorphin: if you can get an order placed as a developer before the 20 are gone, you'll get it at the discounted price :) |
| 16:48.31 | sorphin | you know damn well that's meant in fun ;p |
| 16:48.46 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i'll need to know whe nto do it ;p |
| 16:48.57 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya and so was "harrasment duties and taxes" |
| 16:48.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its all fun and games until you start discussing money... :) |
| 16:49.04 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:49.16 | prpplague | i'll post here first :) |
| 16:49.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: damn right |
| 16:50.02 | sorphin | prpplague: :) |
| 16:50.12 | sorphin | chalk 2 up right away ;) |
| 16:50.18 | sorphin | mine and jordan's ;) |
| 16:50.51 | prpplague | sorphin: CosmicPenguin is broke since he's getting bur^h^h^hmarried |
| 16:52.28 | sorphin | prpplague: he said he's buying one tho |
| 16:52.41 | sorphin | so he'd be more apt to get away w/ $99 vs $450 ;) |
| 16:53.12 | prpplague | sorphin: we need to through him a online bachlor party |
| 16:53.21 | prpplague | sorphin: pr0n and booze |
| 16:53.48 | sorphin | and virtual strippers? |
| 16:54.56 | prpplague | you bet |
| 16:55.08 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:59.13 | CosmicPenguin | heh - Congratulations on your wedding - heres 20 minutes at hotchix.com on me |
| 16:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | There's a business plan for you |
| 16:59.23 | sorphin | haha |
| 16:59.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nah, we figured we'd get some of the chicks from danni's HDD in here ;p |
| 17:06.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice |
| 17:24.29 | prpplague | argh, this imaging shit is sucking the life out of me!!!!!!! |
| 17:24.43 | kergoth | digi is sucking the life out of me |
| 17:24.56 | sorphin | kergoth: i thought it already had |
| 17:25.11 | kergoth | nah the trip to vegas gave me a little life back |
| 17:25.14 | kergoth | not much, but a little |
| 17:25.16 | kergoth | dont worry, it wont last |
| 17:25.17 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:26.09 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:26.24 | sorphin | kergoth: sounds like we all need CP's bachelor party |
| 17:29.17 | prpplague | kergoth: i tellin you dude, you need to find an excuse to come down to the back woods of east texas |
| 17:30.21 | sorphin | LIM: you still want those pdfs ? |
| 17:30.44 | LIM | yep |
| 17:30.57 | sorphin | i suppose that can be arranged |
| 17:30.59 | sorphin | 1 mo |
| 17:31.02 | LIM | k |
| 17:32.24 | sorphin | LIM: http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/ |
| 17:32.25 | sorphin | file names are |
| 17:32.26 | sorphin | MK2001MPL_DataSheet.pdf MK2001_TechNotes_revB.pdf |
| 17:32.27 | sorphin | MK2001_ProductSpec_rev01.pdf MK2001_UserManual_c.pdf |
| 17:32.34 | sorphin | tack those onto the end of the url |
| 17:33.17 | LIM | coo |
| 17:33.54 | LIM | 403: forbidden |
| 17:33.56 | LIM | perms |
| 17:34.03 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:34.11 | sorphin | you tacked onto the end of hte url right? |
| 17:34.22 | sorphin | i.e. www.captainrock.com/~dans/MK2001_TechNotes_revB.pdf |
| 17:34.39 | sorphin | you can't index my dir |
| 17:34.44 | sorphin | you have to do it like above |
| 17:35.15 | LIM | wget http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/MK2001MPL_DataSheet.pdf |
| 17:35.21 | LIM | 12:40:26 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 17:35.27 | sorphin | odd |
| 17:35.28 | sorphin | checking |
| 17:35.46 | sorphin | weird |
| 17:35.49 | sorphin | when it copied them |
| 17:35.56 | sorphin | it copied as rw------- |
| 17:35.58 | sorphin | fixing |
| 17:36.10 | LIM | heh |
| 17:36.14 | sorphin | fixed |
| 17:37.02 | sorphin | lemme know when done, gonna reboot the dsl modem to see if they changed my speeds yet.. |
| 17:37.02 | LIM | yep :) |
| 17:40.03 | LIM | done |
| 17:40.13 | LIM | thanks |
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| 17:42.26 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 17:42.35 | Russ|werk | morninng |
| 17:43.07 | prpplague | andersee: morning |
| 17:43.30 | prpplague | andersee: are familiar with loadkmap/dumpkmap modules in BB? |
| 17:50.28 | andersee | prpplague: sure |
| 17:50.44 | andersee | prpplague: whats up? |
| 17:51.58 | sorphin | andersee: got one for you too :P |
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| 17:55.36 | prpplague | andersee: i'm using a string re-assignment for the F20 key, i.e. using loadkeys file with an string F20="\033]Z" |
| 17:56.11 | prpplague | andersee: once i have all the key assigned the way i need, i use dumpkmap to get the configuration |
| 17:56.42 | prpplague | andersee: all the other key changes are recorded except the ones done with a string assignment |
| 17:57.15 | prpplague | andersee: i can work around this, but i was curious if you knew why it didn't work, or whether it was by design |
| 17:58.10 | prpplague | andersee: i've got to go to a meeting, but if post an answer i'll read it when i get back, thanks |
| 18:25.27 | andersee | prpplague: Hmm. loadkmap and dumpkmap I presume you mean. Anyway, that is not by design. |
| 18:25.39 | sorphin | that is what he meant |
| 18:25.56 | andersee | prpplague: For both utils, we do 'for (i = 0; i < MAX_NR_KEYMAPS; i++) {' so it should get everything |
| 18:26.56 | andersee | prpplague: But perhaps your string re-assignment is living somewhere that we are not dumping/restoring... dunno for sure. |
| 18:28.08 | Russ|werk | andersee: have there been any bugs in uclibc that would cause it to leak fd's for open_log, close_log, or log() if syslog isn't running? |
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| 18:34.35 | andersee | Russ|werk: Not that I know of... But that doesn't rule out the possibility. |
| 18:37.58 | sorphin | andersee: my issue is prolly simpler ;p buildroot fails, gcc-final, the /topic fix doesn't fix it, because what it's failing on, it shouldn't be --disable-share is set, but ld is still looking for crti.o, which it shouldn't be... |
| 18:39.03 | andersee | sorphin: Why should ld not look for crti.o? Have you disabled ctors/dtors? |
| 18:39.43 | sorphin | yes i have |
| 18:41.27 | sorphin | andersee: in my mips dealings.. i did a disable-shared to get rid of this same kinda error, because atleast on mips, crti.o didn't get made before it was "needed" for the gcc compile |
| 18:42.11 | andersee | sorphin: native mips build, or cross compiling? tuxscreen buildroot? or the one on uclibc.org? |
| 18:42.53 | sorphin | actually, cross compiling for mips, stock gcc/binutils |
| 18:43.08 | sorphin | for use w/ the series 2 tivo.. |
| 18:43.32 | sorphin | as far as the buildroot issue |
| 18:43.37 | sorphin | crti.o isn't in existance ANYWHERE in the tree |
| 18:43.42 | sorphin | so... ld won't find it |
| 18:44.52 | andersee | sorphin: Well of course crti.o isn't there if you disabled ctors/dtors. Did you also modify your gcc specs file to not try and link crtbegin, crti, crtend, and crtn? Bet you $5 you didn't. |
| 18:45.13 | sorphin | no, becuse nothing told me i'd need to :P |
| 18:45.34 | sorphin | buildroot implicetly pauses and asks me if i want ctors/dtors |
| 18:45.38 | CosmicPenguin | Lunch is on sorphin! Woo-hoo! |
| 18:45.47 | sorphin | it shouldn't require manual intervention ;p |
| 18:45.54 | sorphin | so i say no |
| 18:46.01 | andersee | sorphin: If you read the help text I went to such bother to write for the UCLIBC_CTOR_DTOR uClib config option, you will notice it tells you to. ;-) |
| 18:46.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:46.16 | sorphin | which help text? :P |
| 18:46.38 | andersee | sorphin: this one |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | config UCLIBC_CTOR_DTOR |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.43 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.45 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.47 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.49 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.53 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.55 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.57 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.00 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.01 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.03 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.27 | andersee | I suppose I could be even more clear about it. And I suppose my grammar could improve |
| 18:49.00 | sorphin | nowhere does it mention crti.o ;p |
| 18:49.22 | andersee | sorphin: well, crti and crtn will not be built if UCLIBC_CTOR_DTOR is disabled |
| 18:49.34 | sorphin | right |
| 18:49.40 | andersee | sorphin: They exist to make ctors/dtors work |
| 18:49.45 | sorphin | right |
| 18:49.49 | sorphin | and on the mips bit |
| 18:49.54 | sorphin | it was looking for that file too |
| 18:50.00 | sorphin | i toggled on --disable-shared |
| 18:50.05 | sorphin | it worked ;p |
| 18:50.10 | sorphin | you have --disable-shared set |
| 18:50.12 | sorphin | and it doesn't |
| 18:50.29 | andersee | sorphin: So edit your gcc specs file and change "*startfile:" and "*endfile:" entries and remove reference to crti, crtn, crtbegin and crtend |
| 18:50.30 | sorphin | so i figured something's tied w/ that too |
| 18:50.42 | sorphin | in gcc-final ? |
| 18:50.51 | sorphin | it's trying to build gcc-final right now ;p |
| 18:51.30 | andersee | sorphin: step back a bit. |
| 18:51.46 | sorphin | andersee: i'm at work, sorry |
| 18:51.48 | andersee | sorphin: You are building _gcc_ with disable shared? |
| 18:51.59 | sorphin | yes, just like you are :P |
| 18:52.33 | sorphin | my failure is in gcc-final |
| 18:52.46 | sorphin | so everyone assumed it was the /topic fix ;p |
| 18:53.13 | andersee | sorphin: Umm. No. In my buildroot/make/gcc_target.mk I build gcc for the target with --enable-shared |
| 18:53.23 | sorphin | it's failing configuring arm-linux/libierty(sp) |
| 18:53.37 | sorphin | not in the makefile tho ;p |
| 18:53.56 | andersee | sorphin: I've _never_ seen the alledged failure in the topic. Everything builds for me |
| 18:54.46 | sorphin | erik |
| 18:54.51 | sorphin | this is the configure line it's using |
| 18:54.52 | sorphin | TARGET_CONFIGARGS = --cache-file=../config.cache --host=arm-linux --build=i686-p |
| 18:54.52 | sorphin | c-linux-gnu --enable-multilib --with-cross-host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --with-gcc-ver |
| 18:54.52 | sorphin | sion-trigger=/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-3.2/gcc/version.c --pref |
| 18:54.52 | sorphin | ix=/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage --enable-target-optspace --disable- |
| 18:54.53 | sorphin | nls --with-gnu-ld --disable-shared --enable-languages=c,c++ --program-transform- |
| 18:55.55 | andersee | sorphin: In buildroot/make/gcc_target.mk? |
| 18:56.04 | sorphin | no |
| 18:56.14 | sorphin | buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/Makefile |
| 18:56.28 | sorphin | which is where ./configure is being run |
| 18:57.10 | andersee | Ok, once again lets step back a long ways... |
| 18:57.23 | andersee | sorphin: tuxscreen buildroot? or the one on uclibc.org? |
| 18:57.44 | sorphin | cvs tuxscreen one |
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| 18:58.05 | andersee | sorphin: ok. That makes a considerable difference. |
| 19:00.17 | sorphin | clear |
| 19:00.20 | sorphin | grr |
| 19:00.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:01.35 | andersee | sorphin: I recommend you enable UCLIBC_CTOR_DTOR |
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| 19:01.48 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:02.26 | andersee | sorphin: You must either enable UCLIBC_CTOR_DTOR, or disable C++ |
| 19:02.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:02.52 | sorphin | well, i hope picogui, etc don't use c++ cuz i sure as hell don't |
| 19:03.07 | andersee | sorphin: as you might imagine, C++ like ctors/dtors |
| 19:03.14 | sorphin | yes, i know |
| 19:03.31 | scanline | microwindows is C, picogui has a server in C with clients in any of several languages |
| 19:03.39 | scanline | though FLTK is C++ |
| 19:04.00 | sorphin | bah |
| 19:04.04 | andersee | scanline: someone should reroll FLTK in C |
| 19:04.15 | sorphin | yes, htey should ;p |
| 19:04.22 | sorphin | c++ is annoying ;p |
| 19:04.25 | sorphin | esp to read ;p |
| 19:04.29 | scanline | don't know what the point would be |
| 19:04.44 | Russ|werk | less chance you'll need a c++ library |
| 19:04.53 | andersee | scanline: dependancy removal |
| 19:04.55 | Russ|werk | smaller footprint |
| 19:04.57 | scanline | but isn't FLTK's design pretty heavily c++ based? |
| 19:05.11 | scanline | I'm saying you might as well just make a new GUI |
| 19:05.33 | Russ|werk | or use gtkfb/gtk+tinyx |
| 19:05.35 | scanline | c++ does generate horrendously huge code |
| 19:05.50 | sorphin | scanline: and it's awful to try and read through someone's code :P |
| 19:05.51 | Russ|werk | you get lots of neat things, like glib, and cleartext, but its a big footprint |
| 19:06.00 | sorphin | evrey time i have to read c++ code my eyes hurt |
| 19:06.17 | scanline | sorphin: I'm not a fan of C++ either |
| 19:06.19 | Russ|werk | maybe gtkfb wouldn't be too bad since you don't need X |
| 19:06.32 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:06.51 | scanline | but rewriting FLTK to not use C++ would be like rewriting Xt to not use X |
| 19:06.57 | Russ|werk | it'd be really nice to fit perl or python on there, because then anyone could write quick gui apps with glade |
| 19:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | FLTK and C++ are designed for each other |
| 19:07.40 | andersee | scanline: i.e. gdk |
| 19:07.49 | CosmicPenguin | The whole power of FLTK is based on the fact that it is C++ based |
| 19:08.13 | scanline | picogui + python is a nice quick app tool :) |
| 19:08.18 | Russ|werk | adding gtk2fb to buildroot would be quite a project... |
| 19:08.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if i have a choice, i don't |
| 19:08.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: sometimes, i don't have a choice |
| 19:08.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so shutup about it then |
| 19:08.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:11.35 | sorphin | yup.. today if definately fucking monday.. |
| 19:11.37 | *** part/#tuxscreen sorphin (sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) |
| 19:11.58 | CosmicPenguin | Sometimes that guy gets right under your skin |
| 19:12.26 | prpplague | andersee: hey, i was using loadkeys to setup the original keymap |
| 19:12.31 | Russ|werk | whats wrong with expressing a dislike for C++? |
| 19:14.23 | prpplague | andersee: is there a better way to set up the inital keymaps for use with bb? |
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| 19:38.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: want to know the back door to admin program on the signature capture devices used in alot of stores?lol |
| 19:40.22 | TomW | andersee: CTOR / DTOR refers to the C++ constructor / destructor stuff, right? |
| 19:43.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: some things are better not said |
| 19:44.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 19:44.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can't believe they have a back door |
| 19:49.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: prolly disgruntled programmers that got it past QA... :) |
| 19:50.20 | file | prpplague: is it hard to use? (the backdoor) |
| 19:50.41 | andersee | TomW: yup |
| 19:51.25 | CosmicPenguin | One time, we wrote a pong program to stick into our switches firmware that you could play on the terminal |
| 19:51.36 | TomW | andersee: k, btw, good morning. The prob I had with the P4 board was cleared up by Allan Cox's backport of the 2.5 IDE drivers (2.4.20). |
| 19:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | our manager caught it though.... :( |
| 19:51.52 | file | CosmicPenguin: bah |
| 19:53.54 | file | today is buy a new desk day. |
| 19:57.15 | ade|desk | TomW: good to hear that the AC backport worked :) |
| 19:57.32 | prpplague | andersee: i'll work around the problem for now, and look into the problem later |
| 19:58.24 | andersee | TomW: morning. Are those now in the Marcello bk tree? |
| 19:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I don't think so |
| 19:59.17 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Marcello has been very quiet lately |
| 20:06.01 | ade|desk | whats up with 2.4.20-ac1 for you ? |
| 20:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | ade|desk: I can't keep it up for more than about 48 hours |
| 20:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | Mainly, everything just flat out OOMs |
| 20:08.05 | CosmicPenguin | and the kernel shuts down init, and then I have nothing |
| 20:09.45 | file | odd |
| 20:10.00 | file | sounds frustrating |
| 20:10.10 | CosmicPenguin | I think it might be related to iptables - I've got about 250 rules and a very noisy cable modem network |
| 20:10.33 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: how much ram? |
| 20:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: 512 |
| 20:10.55 | Russ|werk | what did you set ip_conntrackmax (or whatever the var is) to? |
| 20:11.02 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.19 worked great |
| 20:11.09 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I don't have any NAT going on |
| 20:11.29 | Russ|werk | that isn't related to NAT, NAT uses it heavily though |
| 20:11.38 | Russ|werk | its related to -m state |
| 20:11.51 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think I even enabled connection tracking, though |
| 20:12.04 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, I'm sure of it |
| 20:12.12 | Russ|werk | the default takes up to about 4M I think, so as long as you didn't touch it |
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| 20:12.39 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, something is obviously broken... and I am too lazy to go in and figure out why |
| 20:12.49 | Russ|werk | 2.4.20? |
| 20:13.05 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.20-ac1 |
| 20:13.08 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:13.09 | sorphin | don't use that |
| 20:13.19 | sorphin | 2.4.20-ac1 gave me consistant panics |
| 20:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | I need ac1 for my IDE |
| 20:13.31 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:14.04 | sorphin | my IDE is EXACTLY why ac1 was panicing |
| 20:14.04 | sorphin | w/o ac1 it was fine |
| 20:14.04 | CosmicPenguin | mine is the other way around |
| 20:14.05 | sorphin | whatever code changed in ac1 |
| 20:14.13 | sorphin | causes consistant panics |
| 20:14.15 | Russ|werk | 2.4.20 stock corrupts ext3 |
| 20:14.20 | sorphin | Russ|werk: umm |
| 20:14.23 | sorphin | not here it don't |
| 20:14.29 | Russ|werk | (can{ |
| 20:14.37 | Russ|werk | sorphin: then I would get the patch |
| 20:14.53 | sorphin | then i better back out to 2.4.19 |
| 20:15.00 | sorphin | becuase i can't even RUN on -ac1 |
| 20:15.07 | Russ|werk | http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0212.0/0010.html |
| 20:15.23 | sorphin | the kernel panics every boot :P |
| 20:15.41 | CosmicPenguin | This only affects filesystems which were mounted with the `data=journal' |
| 20:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | option. |
| 20:15.46 | Russ|werk | the patch is basically '+ if (!ext3_should_order_data(inode)) ' |
| 20:15.56 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: or filesystems that have a journalling node |
| 20:16.07 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: so, if its mounted ext3 |
| 20:16.18 | Russ|werk | er |
| 20:16.23 | Russ|werk | maybe I'm reading it wrong |
| 20:16.44 | sorphin | ditto |
| 20:16.50 | Russ|werk | data=journal sounds cool |
| 20:17.04 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, the workound is to run sync before you shutdown, which is a good idea in any event |
| 20:17.10 | sorphin | hhe |
| 20:17.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:17.20 | sorphin | not a problem here |
| 20:17.31 | CosmicPenguin | s/shutdown/unmount/ |
| 20:17.47 | sorphin | systems syncs itself right before reboot |
| 20:17.49 | sorphin | least mine does |
| 20:18.14 | sorphin | last line i see before rebooting is "syncing filesystems" |
| 20:18.46 | sorphin | regardless, i'll do that patch, but i can NOT run ac1 |
| 20:18.55 | sorphin | well, unless i want an unuseable machine |
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| 20:19.54 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: haven't had it running continuously for 48 hours, only ran it for a 30 hour continuous period so far. I'll have to leave mine on for a while and see. |
| 20:20.15 | sorphin | rebooted a few times |
| 20:20.20 | sorphin | no fails.. |
| 20:20.25 | sorphin | Morn: allo julie |
| 20:20.28 | Morn | re's |
| 20:20.31 | Morn | busy monday morning |
| 20:20.37 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: BTW, I didn't patch mine, I grabbed the copy of 2.4.20 off kernel.org and it seemed to work ok. |
| 20:20.38 | sorphin | something like that |
| 20:20.46 | sorphin | TomW: i patched up |
| 20:20.51 | sorphin | works ok |
| 20:20.57 | TomW | sorphin: to -ac4? |
| 20:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: kernel |
| 20:21.04 | TomW | hi Morn |
| 20:21.09 | Morn | hi TomW |
| 20:21.26 | sorphin | TomW: no, from 2.4.19 to 2.4.20 |
| 20:21.35 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: ibot is asleep. |
| 20:21.38 | sorphin | then to ac1 then back down ;p |
| 20:21.48 | sorphin | after 5 panics |
| 20:21.48 | TomW | :P |
| 20:21.57 | Russ|werk | sorphin: what gcc did you use? |
| 20:22.02 | sorphin | 3.2 |
| 20:22.06 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 20:22.10 | Russ|werk | then don't complain |
| 20:22.13 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:22.31 | sorphin | i'll complain when -ac1 fails, and 2.4.20 doesn't ;p |
| 20:22.33 | Russ|werk | use 2.95.3 or 2.95.4, *then* start whining about panics |
| 20:22.39 | Russ|werk | you have no clue then |
| 20:22.52 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i went from egcs (recommended) to 3.0 |
| 20:22.53 | TomW | I used 3.2 and it went ok. |
| 20:23.04 | sorphin | pole |
| 20:23.11 | Russ|werk | using 3.2 is like using a binary module |
| 20:23.20 | TomW | Russ|werk: the thing that sorphin is NOT telling you is it panic'ed when he was hdparm'ing it! |
| 20:23.20 | Russ|werk | the kernel developers won't really care about your problems |
| 20:23.28 | LIM | polish people are that tall? |
| 20:23.35 | sorphin | TomW: no, after |
| 20:23.37 | Russ|werk | x86 kernel code isn't debugged for 3.2 |
| 20:23.38 | sorphin | TomW: not when |
| 20:23.42 | TomW | ok |
| 20:23.46 | TomW | heh |
| 20:23.47 | sorphin | TomW: hdparm |
| 20:23.50 | sorphin | then ps :P |
| 20:23.55 | Russ|werk | or 3.2.2 or 3.2.1 or 3.1.99pre5, or whatever the hell you are using |
| 20:23.56 | sorphin | watch the OOPS fly |
| 20:24.13 | sorphin | gcc version 3.2.1 20021111 (Debian prerelease) |
| 20:24.15 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:24.18 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: ibot responds to kernel with a private message |
| 20:24.28 | Russ|werk | ya, don't use that to compile x86 kernel code, "bad" |
| 20:24.34 | sorphin | Russ|werk: *anyways* |
| 20:24.40 | Russ|werk | I'm serious |
| 20:24.41 | sorphin | the PROBLEM isn't my gcc :P |
| 20:24.45 | Russ|werk | oh really? |
| 20:24.46 | sorphin | it's bad ide code |
| 20:24.52 | sorphin | somewhere |
| 20:25.10 | sorphin | the ide code was changed somewhere between .20 and .20-ac1 |
| 20:25.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, it was backported from 2.5 |
| 20:25.22 | TomW | mine was 3.2-1mdk |
| 20:25.28 | Russ|werk | ok, and there is a good chance it compiles perfectly under 2.95.3 |
| 20:25.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
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| 20:25.44 | sorphin | Russ|werk: right, and it COMPILES fine here too ;p |
| 20:25.50 | sorphin | compiles isn't my problem ;p |
| 20:26.05 | Russ|werk | ummm...ya, sure, it would compile without warning |
| 20:26.05 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, but, the current candidate is -ac4 |
| 20:26.05 | sorphin | my problem is when i hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hda |
| 20:26.14 | Russ|werk | but the order it happens to compile the code in may be incorrect |
| 20:26.15 | sorphin | TomW: it wasn't when i patched up |
| 20:26.19 | TomW | k |
| 20:26.20 | Russ|werk | or what it treats as volitile, etc |
| 20:26.26 | sorphin | christ |
| 20:26.45 | sorphin | bother |
| 20:26.50 | sorphin | since you don't listen anyways |
| 20:27.14 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: there is only a ac1 for 2.4.20 |
| 20:27.18 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: try ibot kernel |
| 20:27.41 | sorphin | The latest -ac patch to the stable Linux kernels is: 2.4.20-ac1 2002-11-29 23:21 UTC V |
| 20:27.56 | sorphin | right off the front page |
| 20:28.21 | sorphin | and -ac1 causes *me* kernel panics if i do ANYTHING to the ide, then run a command as simple as 'ps ax' |
| 20:28.22 | Russ|werk | 3.2 definately doesn't get very sound support from alan |
| 20:28.24 | sorphin | period. |
| 20:28.27 | Russ|werk | http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0210.0/1581.html |
| 20:28.35 | TomW | I dunno, the tarball I got from kernel.org has no -XXX version to it. |
| 20:28.38 | Russ|werk | 3.x has a very bad track record for kernels |
| 20:28.48 | sorphin | TomW: because -ac1 is just a patchup |
| 20:28.51 | TomW | but, it runs the IDE in PIO Mode 4 ok. |
| 20:29.01 | sorphin | TomW: i don't run in pio mode |
| 20:29.14 | TomW | Console fonts are fsck'ed though |
| 20:29.29 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i'm not gonna have 6 compilers on my system |
| 20:29.36 | TomW | IIRC, mode 4 is a dma mode. |
| 20:29.45 | sorphin | TomW: not PIO mode 4 |
| 20:29.51 | sorphin | PIO is just that Programmed IO |
| 20:29.54 | sorphin | non DMA |
| 20:30.01 | Russ|werk | sorphin: gcc 2.95.4 is *very* standard, and its what the kernel developers use to test and develop 2.4 |
| 20:30.06 | sorphin | it's cpu intensive and slower |
| 20:30.13 | sorphin | Russ|werk: not what i saw |
| 20:30.29 | Russ|werk | http://lists.insecure.org/lists/linux-kernel/2002/Nov/0828.html <- example of the type of things gcc3.2 screws up that can potentially cause serious problems |
| 20:30.31 | sorphin | whhich is what i used to use |
| 20:30.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you have a legitimate reason to have 3.2 on your box other than the fact that its cutting edge? |
| 20:30.43 | Russ|werk | sorphin: read Documentation/Changes again |
| 20:30.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uhh yeah |
| 20:30.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: spit em out |
| 20:31.02 | TomW | sorphin: whatever, it gives the ATA100 drives a 40+MB/sec throughput, that is as high as I have seen using an ATA100 drive so far. |
| 20:31.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i have tons of other shit that won't compile w/ 2.95 or older |
| 20:31.12 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:31.15 | Russ|werk | http://lists.insecure.org/lists/linux-kernel/2002/Nov/1006.html <- effect of the above problem |
| 20:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: like what? |
| 20:31.21 | Russ|werk | (slow kernel) |
| 20:31.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm not gonna do dig thorugh my source trees and compile everything w/ an old gcc just to find them ;p |
| 20:32.12 | andersee | sorphin: ewwww |
| 20:32.15 | sorphin | but i seem to remember whining in here about it |
| 20:32.29 | sorphin | and i was told "use gcc 3.1 or 3.2 or something" |
| 20:32.30 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:33.17 | sorphin | so i fucking upgraded to 3.2.1 |
| 20:33.44 | sorphin | i might as well just go back to using 2.7.2.3 :P |
| 20:33.55 | sorphin | jeez |
| 20:34.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: all Russ|werk is saying is that the kernel might not work under 3.2. You were the one that got all defensive about it |
| 20:34.48 | sorphin | that's fine, except *my problem* has squat to do w/ my gcc, and more to do with CRAP backported IDE code |
| 20:34.53 | Russ|werk | sorphin: compile all your user space stuff with the latest and greatest gcc |
| 20:34.57 | sorphin | keep that shit in the dev kernel |
| 20:35.00 | sorphin | where it belongs |
| 20:35.06 | Russ|werk | sorphin: compile your kernel with 2.95.[34] or a newer 2.95.6 |
| 20:35.20 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i ran that kinda setup once |
| 20:35.25 | sorphin | it was annoying |
| 20:35.45 | sorphin | it's bad enough i have 50 difference kernel trees arounds, cuz every project has ot have it's own |
| 20:35.47 | Russ|werk | just name your 2.95.x gcc kgcc |
| 20:35.59 | Russ|werk | sorphin: arm kernels, you can compile with gcc 3.2 afaik |
| 20:36.12 | Russ|werk | same with sparc64, alpha, and a bunch of others |
| 20:36.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:36.25 | Russ|werk | its just x86 code is so incredibly screwy |
| 20:36.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: your "crap" IDE code seems to work fine for everybody else |
| 20:36.44 | sorphin | w/ is stable w/ 2.4.20 |
| 20:36.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: 2.4.20-ac1 does? |
| 20:37.10 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: in his defense, it probably hasn't been tested on very many hardware configurations |
| 20:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: it works on my VIA, which means alot in my book... :-) |
| 20:38.03 | sorphin | and it panics if you touch it w/ hdparm :P |
| 20:38.10 | sorphin | on ac1 |
| 20:38.20 | sorphin | i can see it already |
| 20:38.24 | Russ|werk | do you have somthing weird, or unique, like cable select? |
| 20:38.24 | sorphin | this "new ide code" |
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| 20:38.32 | sorphin | is gonna be another fucking kernel VM |
| 20:38.41 | sorphin | somewhere after release |
| 20:38.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: actually not - it was backported because 2.5 IDE is table |
| 20:38.48 | sorphin | it'll get replaced again w/ something even worse |
| 20:38.50 | CosmicPenguin | s/table/stable/ |
| 20:38.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:38.55 | sorphin | stable eh? |
| 20:39.09 | sorphin | now the VM |
| 20:39.12 | sorphin | that's anotehr story |
| 20:39.23 | Russ|werk | use 2.95.x, *then* trash talk the new ide code |
| 20:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, thats right, I forgot - you are the entire world. I can't believe that Linus didn't ask your opinion before ripping 2.5.50 |
| 20:39.32 | sorphin | a kenrelumm |
| 20:39.35 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:39.42 | sorphin | linus doesn't do shit to 2.4 anymore |
| 20:39.49 | sorphin | thank god |
| 20:39.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the IDE code is from 2.5 |
| 20:39.59 | CosmicPenguin | And this we come full circle |
| 20:40.00 | sorphin | i *NEVER* had a 2.4.x NON ac kenrel |
| 20:40.06 | sorphin | compile clean |
| 20:40.10 | sorphin | till marcelo took over |
| 20:40.14 | sorphin | ever |
| 20:40.35 | sorphin | even WITH A "good gcc version" |
| 20:41.13 | sorphin | and re the backport, 2.5 is a DEVELOPMENT kernel |
| 20:41.26 | sorphin | save that shit for 2.6/3.0/whatever it is |
| 20:41.46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: And the 2.5 IDE code was ported to 2.5 from 2.4 not too long ago... So its circled between the two a few times |
| 20:41.53 | kergoth | right |
| 20:41.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:42.05 | sorphin | and won't |
| 20:42.51 | sorphin | anyways |
| 20:43.04 | sorphin | the only reason i really came back in here was to see if scanline was alive :P |
| 20:43.47 | scanline | alive? a little |
| 20:43.49 | scanline | about to leave though |
| 20:44.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and since my trying to be helpful about 2.4.20-ac1 means nothing, forget i even said anything to you, which i'm sure you'll do anyways. |
| 20:44.14 | sorphin | scanline: picogui in cvs broken? |
| 20:44.22 | sorphin | got a page full of errors compiling |
| 20:44.25 | Morn | hey guys, lets not start a war |
| 20:44.30 | Morn | please |
| 20:45.15 | kergoth | hehe, sorphin and CosmicPenguin do this daily |
| 20:45.29 | sorphin | kergoth: not after today |
| 20:46.05 | sorphin | kergoth: i have enough bullshit to deal w/ offline/at work/elsewhere online |
| 20:46.09 | Russ|werk | Morn: too late |
| 20:46.22 | sorphin | s/to/for/ |
| 20:46.25 | kergoth | sorphin: know how that goes |
| 20:46.26 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin is already off developing nuclear weapons |
| 20:46.32 | scanline | sorphin: works for me (tm) though I haven't tried it on every platform |
| 20:46.54 | sorphin | scanline: umm |
| 20:46.56 | sorphin | pgmain.o: In function `main': |
| 20:46.57 | sorphin | pgmain.o(.text+0x20): undefined reference to `os_child_returncode' |
| 20:46.57 | sorphin | pgmain.o(.text+0x24): undefined reference to `os_show_error' |
| 20:46.57 | sorphin | ./.libs/libpgserver.a(init.o): In function `pgserver_init': |
| 20:46.57 | sorphin | init.o(.text+0x10): undefined reference to `os_init' |
| 20:46.57 | sorphin | init.o(.text+0x34): undefined reference to `commandline_parse' |
| 20:46.59 | sorphin | ./.libs/libpgserver.a(init.o): In function `pgserver_shutdown': |
| 20:47.01 | sorphin | init.o(.text+0x16c): undefined reference to `os_shutdown' |
| 20:47.02 | sorphin | ./.libs/libpgserver.a(terminal_frontend.o): In function `terminal_trigger': |
| 20:47.05 | sorphin | among tons of others |
| 20:47.18 | scanline | sorphin: go into the menuconfig, set the OS to posix-compatible |
| 20:47.41 | sorphin | menuconfig for picogui? |
| 20:47.41 | sorphin | lk |
| 20:47.43 | sorphin | k |
| 20:47.44 | scanline | yes |
| 20:48.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:48.23 | sorphin | can't even do that |
| 20:48.49 | sorphin | make menuconfig |
| 20:48.50 | sorphin | gcc -O2 -o lxdialog checklist.o inputbox.o lxdialog.o menubox.o msgbox.o textbox.o util.o yesno.o -lncurses -L/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib /root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib/libjpeg.so -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib |
| 20:48.57 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.14 | scanline | that's funky.. |
| 20:50.46 | sorphin | scanline: erm.. ok, where's your config hiding.. |
| 20:50.56 | sorphin | nevermind, i'll find it.. |
| 20:50.57 | scanline | sorry, got to go |
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| 21:02.17 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 21:02.24 | TomW | ? |
| 21:02.36 | sorphin | how many chips are there to replace for the ram upgrade? |
| 21:02.38 | sorphin | 3-4 ? |
| 21:02.43 | TomW | 4 |
| 21:02.46 | sorphin | k |
| 21:02.52 | sorphin | means i'll need 2 of these sodimms |
| 21:03.46 | sorphin | i think |
| 21:03.54 | sorphin | hmm |
| 21:03.55 | sorphin | maybe not |
| 21:03.55 | Russ|werk | andersee: can you please add a udhcp mailing list? |
| 21:03.57 | TomW | you should be able to wick the pins "dry" of solder, then slip an X-Acto knife under the chips and lift GENTLY! |
| 21:04.11 | sorphin | TomW: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2077970104 |
| 21:04.24 | sorphin | that should have 8 since it's 64 megs.. i think |
| 21:05.34 | sorphin | but same sodimms |
| 21:05.56 | TomW | I have a 32Meg 4K refresh SODIMM here with 4 chips on it (2 front & 2 back), I haven't checked it over carefully, but, I would venture to say that the chips could be removed then used to replace the chips on the mainboard. |
| 21:05.57 | andersee | Russ|werk: sure |
| 21:06.05 | TomW | so, yes, you would need two SODIMMs. |
| 21:06.11 | sorphin | well |
| 21:06.16 | sorphin | these are 64M sodimms |
| 21:06.21 | andersee | Russ|werk: udhcp@busybox.net work? |
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| 21:06.32 | sorphin | if you looked at the link at all ;) |
| 21:07.01 | andersee | Russ|werk: Want cvs commit emails directed there too? |
| 21:08.00 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, but, are they 64megabit or 64Megabyte devices? |
| 21:08.16 | sorphin | # |
| 21:08.17 | sorphin | 64MB EDO So-dimm 144PIN for Laptop. |
| 21:08.17 | sorphin | # |
| 21:08.17 | sorphin | DRAM / EDO FPM / MT 4LC4M16R6 |
| 21:08.17 | sorphin | 64MEG, 4MX16, 3.3V, EDO, 4K REF |
| 21:08.30 | Russ|werk | andersee: no, too much traffic for some |
| 21:08.32 | TomW | that is the ones. |
| 21:08.37 | Russ|werk | ya, udhcp@busybox.net |
| 21:08.46 | sorphin | TomW: that's hte sodimm on that link i pasted you ;) |
| 21:08.52 | sorphin | it's 64MByte |
| 21:09.10 | sorphin | so i should only need 1 (has 4 chips on the front, prolly for on the back then) |
| 21:09.28 | sorphin | assuming i desolder everything cleanly ;) |
| 21:09.46 | TomW | sorphin: they are WRONG about the amount of storage it has then, unless they have 8 chips on the SODIMM (unlikely). |
| 21:10.35 | TomW | sorphin: the 4LC4M16 is a 4 megabyte x 16 bit organization device, e.g. 8 Megabyte device. |
| 21:10.52 | sorphin | it's a 64M sodimm |
| 21:11.26 | sorphin | i've seen then w/ 8 chips before |
| 21:12.17 | sorphin | is 50ns ok? (should just run the chip slower since the tux can't do 50ns i guess) |
| 21:12.23 | TomW | sorphin: then it will have 8 chips, the SODIMM card is too small to have 8 4LC4M16 devices on it, unless the thing is a BIG (!) SODIMM board! |
| 21:12.34 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:12.37 | TomW | sorphin: 50ns is fine. you only need 60ns. |
| 21:12.39 | sorphin | it has 4 on the front :P |
| 21:12.47 | andersee | Russ|werk: k, all setup. You should have just gotten an email |
| 21:12.56 | TomW | sorphin: then buy it quickly! |
| 21:13.07 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:13.13 | sorphin | he has like 7-8 for sale :P |
| 21:13.28 | sorphin | ok |
| 21:13.30 | sorphin | make that 10 |
| 21:13.36 | TomW | sorphin: I predict that you sill have "fun" taking the devices off the board as they will be packed together really tightly. |
| 21:13.53 | sorphin | TomW: i've worked on worse ;) |
| 21:14.43 | sorphin | i just wish the dimm i need for my thinkpad was this cheap ;p |
| 21:14.56 | TomW | sorphin: with four devices on the front of the card, they would have to be mounted perpendicular to the edge connector. The 32Meg SODIMM I got from Coast-to-Coast Memory has only two chips on the front and they are mounted parallel to the edge conn. |
| 21:15.18 | sorphin | TomW: http://cpu-memory.netfirms.com/images/rams1/samsung-edo-64mb.jpg |
| 21:15.22 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:16.33 | TomW | sorphin: got a microscope? |
| 21:16.56 | sorphin | if i win one of these damn intel/digital blue ones, i will |
| 21:17.08 | TomW | eye loupe? |
| 21:19.05 | TomW | sorphin: good. With a 20-40 watt iron, solder wick, sharp X-Acto you should be able to clean the solder off the pads, then lift the chips off the board. Be carefull not to "pivot" the chip when you do it or it will bend the one row of pins. |
| 21:19.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:19.25 | sorphin | 20-40 |
| 21:19.38 | Russ|werk | use flux |
| 21:19.42 | Russ|werk | water flux |
| 21:19.49 | TomW | sorphin: use the X-Acto to "cut" the old RAMs off the mainboard. Just put the knife against the body of the chip and shear the pins loose. |
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| 21:20.26 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i alrady have a good flux paste (one of the few useful things RS still sells) |
| 21:20.44 | Russ|werk | but thats flux paste, not water flux |
| 21:21.05 | sorphin | never heard of "water flux" and i'm not putting water on my board ;p |
| 21:22.12 | Russ|werk | the board house I use has two different things of flux |
| 21:22.48 | Russ|werk | a regular flux, and a water based flux |
| 21:23.35 | Russ|werk | they use the water based flux to quickly remove chips |
| 21:23.49 | sorphin | well, it's unlikely i'll find it local here |
| 21:24.25 | Russ|werk | put twezers on it, zip along one side, put up slightly on that side, zip along the other side, and remove the chip |
| 21:24.42 | Russ|werk | http://www.pantech.com.gr/iemme/Pegaso%20Flux.htm |
| 21:25.17 | Russ|werk | quite a few first aid instructions |
| 21:26.47 | Russ|werk | that stuff is pink though, the stuff they use is blue |
| 21:27.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:27.31 | sorphin | well, i'll remember this stuff, but it won't help me in the immediate future ;) |
| 21:28.03 | sorphin | i swear i HATE LOUD SCSI HDDS |
| 21:28.07 | sorphin | jeez |
| 21:28.08 | Russ|werk | I guess since you don't mind destroying the board, it doesn't really matter |
| 21:28.42 | sorphin | eh? |
| 21:29.01 | Russ|werk | I thought you were removing these from a board you didn't mind destroying |
| 21:29.29 | sorphin | well, from the sodimm i won't care about the sodimm board |
| 21:30.00 | sorphin | i've removed chips this "small" before |
| 21:39.44 | Russ|werk | andersee: and is it possible to provide diffs in the cvs commit mailing list? |
| 21:40.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats alot of bandwith |
| 21:41.15 | kergoth | hmm, itd be cool to put a link to the diff in webcvs in the cvslogs list |
| 21:43.15 | MonMotha | sorphin: the 15k RPM SCSI HDDs I built a box with were silent |
| 21:43.18 | andersee | Russ|werk: sure. Want a udhcp-cvs list as well then? |
| 21:43.31 | MonMotha | I'm not sure, but I think the edge of the plattery might be supersonic :) |
| 21:43.37 | MonMotha | never bothered to do the calculations :) |
| 21:43.39 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, this dirve |
| 21:43.41 | sorphin | drive |
| 21:43.42 | sorphin | is not |
| 21:44.15 | andersee | Russ|werk: It'd look basically like this: http://codepoet.org/lists/uclibc-cvs/2002-December/003608.html |
| 21:45.23 | Russ|werk | ya, and a udhcp-cvs list people can subscribe to |
| 21:46.18 | kergoth | aha, these drives are beasts. http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_hd_ST446442W.html .. 4 pack for $150 |
| 21:46.52 | sorphin | MonMotha: the 10k RPM 9G i put in my ultra30 is quiet |
| 21:47.15 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 21:47.21 | sorphin | - Unformatted Capacity (GB): 62.6 |
| 21:47.22 | sorphin | - Formatted Capacity (GB): 47.0 |
| 21:47.25 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:47.27 | kergoth | 2/3rds |
| 21:47.53 | sorphin | that's sure a lot of wasted space ;p |
| 21:48.06 | kergoth | 28 heads, 14 platters |
| 21:48.15 | kergoth | jesus, itd be like a jet engine firing up that box with 4 of those |
| 21:48.16 | sorphin | well |
| 21:48.22 | sorphin | it's a full height drive |
| 21:48.29 | kergoth | like i said, beasts |
| 21:48.47 | sorphin | gonna buy one? :P |
| 21:48.58 | Russ|werk | thanks andersee |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | sorphin: a raid 5 array of 4 of those beasts would make a good archive for $150 :) |
| 21:49.59 | sorphin | kergoth: you'd be deaf tho ;p |
| 21:50.18 | kergoth | true that |
| 21:50.34 | sorphin | i wouldn't even have the room to fit 4 |
| 21:50.44 | sorphin | muchless 1 |
| 21:50.59 | kergoth | shit i'd use a spare at case |
| 21:51.08 | kergoth | get an adapter to convert the internal scsi cable to external in a slot |
| 21:51.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56.46 | prpplague | sorphin: ya just get a $20 case |
| 21:57.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:57.18 | kergoth | i have a 3 channel caching raid controller with a 4gb and a 8gb drive on it, thats it |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | horrible waste |
| 21:57.29 | kergoth | need some archive space |
| 21:57.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:04.18 | MonMotha | kergoth: sounds like me |
| 22:04.28 | MonMotha | I haev a 3 channel caching RAID controller with 3 4GB drives |
| 22:04.34 | MonMotha | and a single 9GB |
| 22:04.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:05.05 | kergoth | i need to upgrade .. mine is just ultrawide, it'd be nice to get a unit thats lvd |
| 22:05.52 | MonMotha | this is fast-wide |
| 22:06.04 | MonMotha | I do have 6 hot swap sleds tho |
| 22:06.35 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 22:06.50 | kergoth | what i hate about these old caching controllers |
| 22:06.56 | kergoth | this thing needs parity simms |
| 22:07.03 | kergoth | shits hard to find, and expensive |
| 22:07.17 | MonMotha | hum, I have an 8MB parity simm just laying around |
| 22:07.25 | MonMotha | I dunno how well it woudl play with the 4MB that's in it tho |
| 22:07.34 | MonMotha | this is an old AMI MegaRAID |
| 22:07.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:07.38 | kergoth | same here |
| 22:07.44 | kergoth | you ever get the weird Blocked mailbox!! |
| 22:07.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:07.48 | kergoth | in linux |
| 22:07.49 | MonMotha | ripped from an old HP netserver |
| 22:37.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: ewww, mega-nightmare!!! |
| 22:39.17 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:39.26 | kergoth | mine works fine until i get the dreaded blocked mailbox |
| 22:39.35 | kergoth | but that seems to be a linux driver thing |
| 22:43.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: actually it works decently |
| 22:44.03 | MonMotha | a little slow |
| 22:44.50 | kergoth | yeah that .. what is it, a 8086 proc? |
| 22:45.39 | Russ|werk | kergoth: what channel are you reading from? |
| 22:46.01 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:46.14 | kergoth | refering to MonMotha's comment re the slowness of the AMI MegaRAID |
| 22:46.21 | Russ|werk | 'you ever get the weird Blocked mailbox!!' |
| 22:46.21 | kergoth | so this one |
| 22:46.35 | kergoth | Russ|werk: message outputted by the megaraid driver in linux |
| 22:46.39 | kergoth | Russ|werk: crashes you hardcore |
| 22:46.45 | kergoth | Russ|werk: again, this conversation |
| 22:46.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46.56 | Russ|werk | oh, right, a scsi mailbox |
| 22:47.00 | kergoth | bingo |
| 22:47.12 | Russ|werk | I just do software IDE raid |
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| 23:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | Whats a fancy, API friendly term for mouse calibration data? |
| 23:06.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya the ones we have upgraded to linux from SCO seem stable, but i still have nightmares about the SCO driver and related problems |
| 23:07.40 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: how many data points do you use for calibration? 5? |
| 23:07.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: handheld cartian geometrical data input ratio |
| 23:07.50 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 23:08.00 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: corners and center? |
| 23:09.24 | prpplague | scanline: is that for all size screens or just smaller ones i.e. 320x240 ? |
| 23:09.32 | scanline | all sizes |
| 23:09.52 | scanline | the calibrator doesn't handle nonlinear distortions yet |
| 23:10.29 | prpplague | scanline: ok so you assume that the distortion will be linear from one end to the other? |
| 23:11.07 | scanline | yeah. It will handle rotation, scaling, skewing, etc. |
| 23:11.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: with these processors, you almost *have* to assume the distortion will be linear |
| 23:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | No time to figure it out otherwise |
| 23:12.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good point |
| 23:12.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that would also be a factor in choosing to run a large lcd on the strongarm in addition to the badnwidth |
| 23:13.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |
| 23:14.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: of course, your choice of digital <-> analog chip has alot to do with all that |
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| 23:22.08 | MonMotha | kergoth: it has an i960 |
| 23:22.22 | kergoth | MonMotha: ahh thats right |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | MonMotha: couldnt recall |
| 23:22.50 | MonMotha | it's a 33MHz IIRC for all it's worth |
| 23:23.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.38 | prpplague | ok guys, i'm out of here, have fun |
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| 23:27.53 | andin | heyas all. |
| 23:29.12 | andin | anyone would be interested in xkbd patch/makefile for buildroot ? |
| 23:31.05 | CosmicPenguin | andin: send it to the list - I know that somebody with commit will stick that in for you |
| 23:31.15 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: do you have commit ability? |
| 23:31.44 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 23:31.59 | TomW | what? commit jacques? |
| 23:32.00 | andin | ok. one thing: it needs the Xtst. I understand that the Makefile should be tweaked to move that from the ../xc-011010 subtree ? |
| 23:32.13 | CosmicPenguin | andin: jacques is your man |
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| 23:34.52 | jacques | hi TomW :-) |
| 23:36.04 | sorphin | TomW: jacques should be commited ;) |
| 23:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: whats the URL to the picogui cvsweb? I have to steal some code... :-) |
| 23:40.41 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: picogui.org :) |
| 23:40.52 | scanline | there's a link on the left |
| 23:41.11 | scanline | or did you want a specific file? |
| 23:41.59 | sorphin | scanline: i know why menuconfig was failing to compile ;p |
| 23:42.04 | scanline | eh? |
| 23:42.16 | sorphin | it's trying to use libjpeg from the buildroot lib dir |
| 23:42.18 | sorphin | :P |
| 23:42.40 | scanline | ah, that's what it looked like from the error you pasted in |
| 23:42.50 | scanline | but menuconfig shouldn't be linking with libjpeg at all |
| 23:42.55 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I was looking for that cleaned up version of the Agenda calibration coee |
| 23:42.56 | sorphin | well |
| 23:42.57 | sorphin | it is |
| 23:43.17 | sorphin | for somereason, lxdialog is linking w/ libjpeg |
| 23:43.34 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/apps/tpcal/ |
| 23:43.38 | sorphin | scanline: /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=link gcc -O2 -o lxdialog checklist.o inputbox.o |
| 23:43.38 | sorphin | lxdialog.o menubox.o msgbox.o textbox.o util.o yesno.o -lncurses -L/root/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/lib -ljpeg |
| 23:44.48 | andin | CosmicPenguin: btw, talking about calibration... my tux seems to "drizzle" within X. I hacked around the ts.c so that it approximates the current coord over several last tests.. but still its ugly... is it my hw or is it a kernel driver ? |
| 23:50.30 | CosmicPenguin | andin: explain drizzle |
| 23:51.31 | andin | CosmicPenguin: the pointer moves around the point, occasionally jumping rather far from it. very quickly. I think you were working on some filter some time ago... |
| 23:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | andin: ahh, thats jitter |
| 23:52.08 | CosmicPenguin | andin: and thats very much a software thing - X should be handling the jitter |
| 23:52.48 | andin | CosmicPenguin: yup. it does. now. :) ...somewhat :) |
| 23:53.12 | CosmicPenguin | andin: thats good |
| 23:54.47 | andin | CosmicPenguin: was just wondering why those folks in inferno have it totally still ;) probably better programming.. cant figure the good way to filter it out. smoother=latency. faster=jitter... well, will hack some more. |
| 23:55.21 | CosmicPenguin | andin: well, there is lots of math involved. You are probably just taking N samples, and averaging, right? |
| 23:55.55 | andin | CosmicPenguin: well, a bit worse. :) |
| 23:55.57 | CosmicPenguin | andin: there are some more advanced linear math techniques you can use - tslib (by RMK) has good examples of some math you can use |
| 23:55.58 | jacques | andin: you are working on ts driver too? I tried tslib but it's a real mess |
| 23:56.25 | andin | store the Xlast,Ylast,Tlast. upon getting the new event from /dev/ts, check: |
| 23:56.26 | CosmicPenguin | Note that you should use the tslib concepts, not nessesarly tslib itself |
| 23:57.05 | jacques | yeah CosmicPenguin is right - the calibration is the only part that actually works in tslib |
| 23:57.12 | MonMotha | andin: I experience the same behavior |
| 23:57.23 | MonMotha | I believe people normaly handle that ins oftware |
| 23:57.38 | andin | if (abs(Xcur-Xlast) > Xthresh || abs (Ycur-Ylast)>Ythres -> *last = &cur; throwXEvent(*last). |
| 23:57.44 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: Its very expensive to do it in hardware |
| 23:58.46 | andin | else - *last = (*last x N + *cur)/(N+1); if abs(Tlast-Tcur)>Tthresh then throw Xevent(*last) |
| 23:59.12 | CosmicPenguin | andin: if you combine that code with an averaging routine, you should get fairly good code |
| 23:59.20 | CosmicPenguin | s/code/results/ |
| 23:59.50 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: and relatively easily taken care of in software I'm guessing |
