| 00:28.29 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:28.46 | sorphin | Russ|werk: just because the dsl modem is bridging doesn't mean it's doing PPPoAnything :P |
| 00:31.32 | sorphin | got 3 options (least in mine) |
| 00:31.32 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.32 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.32 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.21 | Russ|werk | hmm...my 675 only gives me 1483, not an option between B and R |
| 00:36.49 | sorphin | this isn't a cisco dsl modem |
| 00:36.54 | sorphin | if it were, life would be easier ;p |
| 00:37.14 | sorphin | cuz i could get it to cooperate w/ my 1605 |
| 00:37.26 | Russ|werk | too bad I don't know someone who is bridging pppoe successfully with a cisco modem |
| 00:38.36 | Russ|werk | I wonder how usable the network and broadcast addresses are |
| 00:56.42 | sorphin | depends on your upstream |
| 00:56.51 | file | Dead Man on Campus is on. |
| 00:57.01 | sorphin | file: um.. right |
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| 02:28.36 | | Test failed! |
| 02:42.16 | MonMotha | ibot test |
| 02:42.17 | | Money makes the world go round |
| 02:42.20 | MonMotha | heh |
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| 03:24.17 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 03:24.18 | | Money makes the world go round |
| 03:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: sure does |
| 03:25.55 | | Money makes the world go round |
| 03:25.56 | sorphin | ~fishslap jacques |
| 03:25.57 | | ACTION slaps jacques up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:26.36 | jacques | we're having network problems |
| 03:26.44 | jacques | I keep losing my connections |
| 03:27.16 | sorphin | sounds liek someone in sunnyvale doesn't want you ircing ;) |
| 03:29.32 | jacques | heh, the whole office is losing their connections |
| 03:29.44 | jacques | we think the gateway is losing it |
| 03:30.19 | sorphin | see? there's your problem |
| 03:30.26 | sorphin | using a gateway computer as a gateway ;) |
| 03:30.41 | jacques | heh |
| 03:31.18 | sorphin | jacques: hey, gonna say that just incase morn's watching ;) |
| 03:31.27 | sorphin | s/gonna/gotta/ |
| 03:31.50 | jacques | morn has a gateway computer?? |
| 03:31.53 | jacques | :-\ |
| 03:32.02 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:32.08 | sorphin | her new laptop |
| 03:34.21 | jacques | hmm |
| 03:34.45 | sorphin | yeah, sad innit? |
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| 04:53.27 | burnzy | ircii |
| 04:54.51 | burnzy | is anyone there |
| 04:55.36 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 04:55.46 | burnzy | fair'nough |
| 04:55.56 | burnzy | anyone else not here? |
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| 09:28.27 | TomW | moring all. |
| 09:28.40 | TomW | s/moring/morning/ :-/ |
| 09:28.59 | TomW | fingers are still asleep. |
| 09:33.06 | LIM | ahoy, a moring! |
| 09:33.18 | TomW | heh |
| 09:33.39 | LIM | I know, it's not spelled that way... |
| 09:33.46 | TomW | just getting my brain engaged for the day ahead. |
| 09:34.11 | LIM | I have the day off :) |
| 09:34.23 | LIM | I get every other friday off. |
| 09:34.35 | TomW | not me, I got so much stuff to do, I am behind schedule on so many things. |
| 09:34.41 | LIM | ew... |
| 09:35.21 | TomW | I still got 40 SMD boards to finish up today. No big deal: 3 ICs, 5 chip caps & 2 chip resistors. |
| 09:35.53 | TomW | takes me abt 3 hours to build up 16 boards at a time. |
| 09:36.16 | TomW | ... drudge work. |
| 09:36.49 | TomW | I have a whole bunch of interesting software projects to work on, but the PCB work has to get done first. :-/ |
| 09:37.00 | LIM | I do no hardware... |
| 09:37.06 | LIM | I'd wreck it all probably. |
| 09:37.41 | TomW | yeah, I do a lot of contract embedded work and since I don't have a "job", I have to take what I can get sometimes. |
| 09:37.51 | LIM | I see. |
| 09:38.08 | LIM | at least you get "variety" |
| 09:38.15 | TomW | hah, that I do. |
| 09:39.29 | TomW | that really is a good thing though, I found that I work best when I have several projects at hand to be done. When I get brain-locked on one project, I can switch to another for a while. Then when I come back to the first project, I usually can power through the problem. |
| 09:40.03 | LIM | this is why I have a billion home projects. |
| 09:40.54 | TomW | I was doodlin' with Kylix this morning. Some infra-structure stuff is finally coming together with one customer. We have been talking about integrating his operation into a centralized server location. This is a chain of fast food stores. |
| 09:42.31 | LIM | hmm, a small chain? |
| 09:42.33 | TomW | We had been handicapped in that we didn't have high bandwidth connections to each of the stores. Finally, we have all the stores on DSL connections and an ISDN circuit at the main office. I have some fairly powerfull machines that I will be installing at the stores now. So, I can start thinking about IP Tunneling (PoPToP). |
| 09:42.48 | TomW | three stores and the main office. |
| 09:42.52 | LIM | yeah, small. |
| 09:43.07 | LIM | I used to dev at Burlington Coat Factory... |
| 09:43.31 | LIM | all unix based store... |
| 09:43.38 | TomW | Well, small yes. But, he does have "friends" in the same business. Could become something more than what it currently is now. |
| 09:43.58 | LIM | word of mouth is good stuff |
| 09:44.04 | LIM | usually not enough though. |
| 09:44.13 | TomW | LIM: yeah, saw that operation (Burlington) described somewhere. Neat setup. |
| 09:44.24 | LIM | yeah, I really liked it. |
| 09:44.30 | LIM | other than it was all DB work ;) |
| 09:44.37 | LIM | and in New Hampshire (cold) |
| 09:44.52 | LIM | not that I have much better weather here in Fort Wayne IN |
| 09:45.13 | LIM | at least there's no hills to get iced up... |
| 09:45.20 | TomW | I am torn between a browser based interface and developing a Kylix App to run things at the stores. We need to enter time sheets for employess, daily reciepts, cash register reports downloads, etc. |
| 09:45.42 | LIM | do the receipts bulk...end of day |
| 09:45.50 | LIM | and reports... |
| 09:45.58 | TomW | I am here in NorthEastern PA, we got 6 inches of snow yesterday. Looks nice outside! |
| 09:46.04 | LIM | geez |
| 09:46.12 | LIM | I wish the snow came and went... |
| 09:46.16 | LIM | I'm not a kid anymore. |
| 09:46.26 | TomW | why? don't you like the "white stuff"? |
| 09:46.31 | LIM | I like the look... |
| 09:46.34 | TomW | heh |
| 09:46.38 | LIM | I don't like scraping off my car... |
| 09:46.43 | LIM | and driving on ice. |
| 09:46.50 | LIM | and going out in the cold |
| 09:46.54 | LIM | I'm a skinny guy |
| 09:46.59 | TomW | Yeah, well. You have a daily job to report to at 8 AM, right? |
| 09:47.00 | LIM | no "insulation" ;) |
| 09:47.06 | LIM | ha |
| 09:47.10 | LIM | I have a daily job |
| 09:47.22 | LIM | I try to get there sometime during daylight. |
| 09:47.30 | TomW | I lost abt 25 pounds lately, I feel the cold more this year! |
| 09:47.30 | LIM | we have felx time. |
| 09:47.33 | LIM | flex |
| 09:47.51 | LIM | I weigh 146lbs. and am 5'10" |
| 09:48.17 | LIM | I dunno what ratio that is... |
| 09:48.26 | TomW | yup, BTDT, flex time. I worked R & D for a company for 8 years on FlexTime. Used to come in at 3AM, do my work and escape before the regular people would "find" me. |
| 09:48.35 | LIM | heheh |
| 09:48.41 | LIM | well, I have to be "available" |
| 09:48.49 | LIM | so my home number is posted. |
| 09:48.54 | LIM | I can work from home though. |
| 09:49.11 | LIM | it's a comfy job, and I enjoy it. |
| 09:49.21 | TomW | that was the only way I could get stuff done. I would be "dreaming" code or hardware and someone would come in and ask a question that would shatter my concentration. |
| 09:49.29 | LIM | yeah :/ |
| 09:49.37 | LIM | the "flow" |
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| 09:50.01 | LIM | although, lately I let IRC break the flow all too often |
| 09:50.04 | TomW | I did have to overlap them so that they could get the answers they needed. I couldn't work in a total vacuum. :/ |
| 09:50.18 | LIM | yeah, so the same. |
| 09:50.18 | TomW | heh, yeah, IRC can do that. |
| 09:50.45 | TomW | For me, IRC is a good thing. I don't have "co-workers" anymore. |
| 09:50.49 | LIM | 2.08 lbs/inch ;) |
| 09:51.18 | LIM | yeah, but is a text sociallife even that? |
| 09:51.21 | TomW | what kind of stuff you workin on now? |
| 09:51.48 | LIM | C++/Solaris Motif/DB/CORBA/Sockets/raw-TCP/IP |
| 09:51.57 | LIM | and more |
| 09:52.06 | LIM | good stuff. |
| 09:52.11 | LIM | I get vareity. |
| 09:52.21 | TomW | I never did like C++. |
| 09:52.28 | LIM | we hope to port to linux soon |
| 09:52.47 | LIM | I do C for some things here and there. |
| 09:52.51 | TomW | I don't like the model, it is too much like Macro Assembler approach to doing OOP |
| 09:53.04 | LIM | I tend to use C++ like object-C |
| 09:53.17 | LIM | but we do use the STL for some things. |
| 09:53.21 | TomW | I like the Object Pascal approach, makes more sense to me and seems to be more powerfull. |
| 09:53.33 | LIM | hmm, Delphi did look nice. |
| 09:53.47 | TomW | yeah, I do a LOT of delphi code. |
| 09:54.01 | LIM | I'm definitly a C guy though. |
| 09:54.14 | TomW | me too, abt 24 years of C coding. |
| 09:54.25 | LIM | last I used PASCAL was in '92 |
| 09:54.29 | TomW | although, I am beginning to love perl! |
| 09:54.42 | TomW | ever do UCSD pascal? |
| 09:54.45 | LIM | 24? how old are you? |
| 09:54.53 | TomW | 49 |
| 09:54.59 | LIM | oh! |
| 09:55.00 | LIM | heh |
| 09:55.03 | LIM | I'm 28 |
| 09:55.14 | LIM | you've been using C since I was 4! |
| 09:55.34 | LIM | what is USCD Pascal? |
| 09:55.34 | TomW | I started coding in '78 in assembler. Actually, my first program was hand assembled in machine code. |
| 09:56.02 | TomW | UCSD Pascal == the Apple II pascal system. circa 1990. |
| 09:56.08 | LIM | ohh, that. |
| 09:56.15 | LIM | I saw that on a mac in college... |
| 09:56.25 | LIM | the people using it...weren't all to happy... |
| 09:56.55 | oneforall | 0101 stuff |
| 09:56.56 | LIM | I only use basic on the apple II |
| 09:57.01 | LIM | used |
| 09:57.03 | TomW | yeah, it was a really nice pascal system. I missed it when I stopped coding on the Apples, then when I found Delphi I was thrilled to find the same type of pascal. |
| 09:57.20 | LIM | perhaps I saw something different on the mac. |
| 09:58.06 | oneforall | how did you afford to learn it 24 years ago when the systems were pretty expensive eh |
| 09:58.15 | TomW | Probably not, UCSD had stuff like sets and strings. Older pascal versions / flavors didn't have the string implementation. |
| 09:58.37 | LIM | well, it had some weird stuff, I never actually touched it. |
| 09:59.17 | TomW | oneforall: I worked for other people.. Heh, no really, I had a personal computer 24 years ago. I worked as an electronics tech for a company that made a Z80 based system. |
| 10:00.18 | TomW | oneforall: us techs would collect together scrap boards, fix them and take them home to build our own CP/M based computers. then we would trade circuit boards with the software guys in engineering to get the software we needed. |
| 10:00.38 | TomW | oneforall: it was a "symbionic" relationship. hardware & software. |
| 10:01.47 | TomW | oneforall: you are correct about the cost of the boards. Back then, a CPU card was about $1000, a video card abt $600. |
| 10:03.14 | TomW | I started coding in C with the Small C compiler. We had the source to that compiler. |
| 10:06.24 | TomW | LOL, today's Dilbert is right on the mark! |
| 10:07.07 | LIM | where? |
| 10:07.18 | LIM | nm |
| 10:07.29 | TomW | http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/ |
| 10:07.39 | LIM | www.dilbert.com ;) |
| 10:08.29 | TomW | I have to start my day with Alley Oop and Dilbert. Just after I clean out the spam from the email. |
| 10:08.38 | LIM | you get spam ;) |
| 10:09.08 | TomW | been too busy to do anything about it, I only get 4 or 5 of them a day. |
| 10:09.16 | LIM | that's too many... |
| 10:09.24 | TomW | agreed. |
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| 15:03.37 | sorphin | prpplague: mornin daveyboy |
| 15:03.47 | prpplague | howdy howdy howdy |
| 15:04.19 | sorphin | since i'm already paying what they charge people that have that speed now anwyays ;p |
| 15:08.45 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 15:42.56 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 15:43.02 | sorphin | they're EOL'ing the Alpha |
| 15:43.39 | prpplague | needed to reboot, i'm using an old kernel that seems to eat up swap after being up for more than a few hundered days |
| 15:43.48 | prpplague | sorphin: i know, sad isn't |
| 15:43.59 | prpplague | sorphin: my multi box still rocks under linux |
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| 15:44.10 | prpplague | s/multi/multia |
| 15:44.25 | sorphin | prpplague: considering the alpha could smoke anything compaq^H^H^H^H^Hdec^H^H^HHP has |
| 15:44.33 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:44.35 | sorphin | currently |
| 15:44.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:44.40 | sorphin | i have a multia |
| 15:44.44 | sorphin | never fired it up tho |
| 15:45.01 | sorphin | my room's already toasty enough e/ the SS20 ;) |
| 15:45.13 | sorphin | i don't even need to open my vents in the basement for the heat anymore :P |
| 15:45.17 | sorphin | it doesn't get cold |
| 15:45.36 | sorphin | plus i don't have any parity mem around |
| 15:45.37 | prpplague | sorphin: ya the multia i have has the .035 technology similiar to the p60 series |
| 15:45.41 | prpplague | sorphin: massive heat |
| 15:45.53 | prpplague | sorphin: i've got two cooling fans on the cpu |
| 15:45.59 | sorphin | prpplague: i likely have the exact same box as you |
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| 16:26.24 | Morn | what is a good linux based gps/mapping software? |
| 16:27.50 | LIM | check on freshmeat? |
| 16:28.02 | LIM | I used to know of 1. |
| 16:33.44 | Morn | http://gpsdrive.kraftvoll.at/index.shtml is the one I found |
| 16:38.38 | prpplague | i hate the fact that all of the streets programs are winblows only |
| 16:40.15 | sorphin | yup |
| 16:40.56 | prpplague | sorphin: did you know m$ owns a significate portion of everyone of the companies that has leases on street maps owned by the US governement? |
| 16:41.31 | sorphin | doesn't surprise me |
| 16:42.26 | prpplague | sorphin: funny that the US gov prosecuted m$ for monopolistic practices, yet they the gov fosters the monopoly every chance they get |
| 16:44.50 | sorphin | yup |
| 16:54.49 | prpplague | sorphin: the prosecuting attorny for the anti-trust case sent out daily update in word format with outlook formated mime emails |
| 16:55.15 | sorphin | sounds about right |
| 17:02.05 | sorphin | prpplague: got 3 of those drive |
| 17:02.25 | sorphin | kinda funny, after i one the last one, a guy who was bidding emailed me and asked if i needed both *grin* |
| 17:05.17 | GPSFan | Morn: There is http://gpsmap.sourceforge.net/, http://www.gnomad-mapping.com/, and a GPS mapping program included in kismet that can download maps from TerraServer as well as MapBlast. |
| 17:05.42 | Morn | thanks |
| 17:06.43 | Morn | I need to get the right adapter for my laptop to use the GPS with it, right now I only have the pocket pc one |
| 17:07.14 | GPSFan | Morn: as well as a java app, http://gpsmap.sourceforge.net/. There are several named GPSMap. The gnomad-mapping looks like it will be really nice if it is ever ready for release. |
| 17:07.55 | GPSFan | Morn: what type of GPS do you have? |
| 17:08.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: so that's why you're "GPSFan" eh? ;) |
| 17:08.20 | Morn | GPSFan: the delorme that radio shack rebranded |
| 17:08.35 | GPSFan | sorphin: sounded like a good nick, and I've done a lot og GPS related stuff over the years. |
| 17:08.39 | Morn | Hey, I got 25% off it when I bought it because I was an employee |
| 17:09.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: i'll have to remember that.. i had one once back in the day for my laptop.. but since my laptop doesn't always go on the road w/ me, it was pointless, and the other gps's i've seen.. well... not worth to me as much as they want for them :/ |
| 17:09.30 | GPSFan | Morn: a little yellow box? |
| 17:09.33 | sorphin | Morn: yeah yeah yeah :P |
| 17:09.39 | Morn | GPSFan: no, a round looking thing |
| 17:10.59 | GPSFan | Hmm, if it's from DeLorme, it may be Rockwell Jupiter based, they are ok, I'll look at the RattShack page and see. |
| 17:11.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: so... any recommendations ? |
| 17:12.02 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.08 | sorphin | bit pricey tho |
| 17:13.52 | Morn | what would be nice is a program that could use all the maps I have in MS Streets & Trips |
| 17:14.41 | Morn | or that came with the pocket version of delmore's software |
| 17:15.16 | GPSFan | Morn: the RS/DeLorme GPS is SiRF based, which is currently the most popular non-Garmin embedded solution. look here for a review & other interesting stuff: http://www.gpspassion.com/Hardware/Reviews/RSGPS.htm |
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| 17:16.40 | sorphin | morning mr J |
| 17:16.51 | GPSFan | sorphin: what do you want to spend? I've had good luck with Garmin units, bad with Magellen, but now they & Ashtech are one so maybe they are better. |
| 17:17.11 | sorphin | what about delorme? |
| 17:17.24 | sorphin | and what i want to spend depends on what i can get for how good a price :) |
| 17:17.26 | CosmicPenguin | morning mr d |
| 17:19.52 | GPSFan | Delorme TripMate & EarthMate were both Rockwell Jupiter chipsets, both had "tweaked" firmware so that they would only operate with Delorme software. Newer units like the DigiTraveler use SiRF chips, much lwer power, and cheaper. |
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| 17:23.43 | GPSFan | sorphin: ok, two basic classes, handhelds (Garmin etrex like) and "smart antennas" DigiTraveler, Earthmate etc. like. The second class needs a laptop or PDA and has no display, but can have as good maps as you want. the first class is "all in one" and mapping quality depends on how much you spend. |
| 17:24.13 | sorphin | well, what are some recommends from the 1st class ? |
| 17:26.17 | GPSFan | sorphin: if you are backpacking a laptop is a lot to carry, I have an old Garmin GPS45 and a Streetpilot which have been working flawlessly for years & years. Good quality hardware. I have a friend who bought a Magellen 310 and sent the firstone back because it failed and sold the second on e-bay to get a Garmin etrex. |
| 17:26.52 | GPSFan | sorphin: the etrex display is a bit small though. |
| 17:27.03 | Morn | this is frusrtating |
| 17:28.03 | Morn | if I boot direclty to an X login on the laptop I have no keyboard |
| 17:28.03 | sorphin | GPSFan: this was a garmen somethingorother III+ |
| 17:28.23 | Morn | but if switch to a text console during boot and stop and start X (init 3 ; init 5) it works ok |
| 17:28.24 | GPSFan | sorphin: there is a third class which is PCMCIA of CF and plugs into a PDA, cheaper than the handhelds, with better mapping & color. |
| 17:28.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: that'd be cool, cept i don't even have a pda |
| 17:29.08 | Morn | the one I have is nice on the PDA |
| 17:29.19 | Morn | just you can't load large maps in one piece |
| 17:29.25 | Morn | like my trip to phila from CT |
| 17:31.20 | GPSFan | sorphin: Garmin III+ is not really a handheld, but was one of the first mapping units. Look at the Garmin GPS176C for a nice color unit, the GPS76 is a nice handheld. |
| 17:32.11 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/default.asp?_SetCurrentVersion=EN and http://joe.mehaffey.com/ have good sites with lots of reviews. |
| 17:32.39 | sorphin | cool :) |
| 17:32.45 | TomW | Morn: what machine are you having the keyboard failing? |
| 17:33.02 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&group=sci.geo.satellite-nav is the newsgroup that most GPS related info appears on. |
| 17:33.29 | Morn | TomW: my new laptop (works fine in XP) |
| 17:33.38 | Morn | it's a gateway 1450SE |
| 17:33.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: what's this i see about garmen unlock codes? |
| 17:33.51 | TomW | mandrake / redhat version? |
| 17:33.57 | Morn | Mandrake 9.0 |
| 17:35.18 | TomW | I'm running Mandrake 9 on a new box here and it behaves itself on booting directly into X. |
| 17:35.18 | GPSFan | sorphin: there is always a discussion going on about the ethics involved is WareZ and cracking mapping software. Which tends to be way over priced since most is derived from the same govt sources. |
| 17:35.37 | TomW | Morn: it is a generic pc machine. |
| 17:35.38 | Morn | TomW: I don't think it is a 9.0 issue, but something funky with this laptop |
| 17:35.49 | Morn | TomW: It started after I disabled devfs |
| 17:35.55 | Morn | so that could be the reason |
| 17:35.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah, as prpplague was mentioning |
| 17:36.23 | TomW | Morn: yes, I think that the new kernel + the newer linux distros rely heavily on the devfs stuff. |
| 17:36.49 | TomW | Morn: I had issues with devfs removal as well. IIRC, it was also that way on Mandrake 8.2 |
| 17:37.20 | sorphin | TomW: i tried devfs once, couldn't stand it and dumped it faster than you can solder paste :P |
| 17:37.22 | TomW | Morn: I think my issue was with the parport0 device. |
| 17:37.23 | GPSFan | sorphin: if you don't mind running Windoze to see some cool software, get UsaPhotoMaps from http://jdmcox.com/ it is really slick. simple but slick. |
| 17:38.05 | TomW | sorphin: well, it takes me two hours to solder paste 16 SMD boards, and solder the parts onto them... |
| 17:38.08 | Morn | Don't shoot me, but I find Microsoft streets and trips very simple to use and accurate |
| 17:38.23 | sorphin | *bang* |
| 17:38.30 | TomW | heh |
| 17:38.35 | sorphin | too late ;p |
| 17:39.00 | sorphin | it auto fires on mention of "M1cr0s0ft" spelled proplery ;p |
| 17:39.13 | TomW | Morn: probably 'cause they got the bucks to make sure that they have access to the right data. Open Source has to take the scraps. |
| 17:39.22 | sorphin | TomW: i said faster than you can *say* solder paste |
| 17:39.23 | Morn | TomW: I know |
| 17:39.33 | TomW | sorphin: k |
| 17:39.58 | Morn | right now I want to shoot myself |
| 17:40.00 | TomW | I got 80 boards finished, only 24 more to go. |
| 17:40.00 | GPSFan | despite the "borgness" of billG some people have managed to create some very nice software (free and $$$) for WinDoze. |
| 17:40.09 | Morn | A client has me working on a access database app |
| 17:40.13 | CosmicPenguin | Morn, sorphin, GPSFan: THis bad boy seems to have potential: http://www.geocities.com/pascal_f_martin/roadmap/ |
| 17:40.28 | TomW | Morn: oww, Access, not SQL? |
| 17:40.43 | Morn | TomW: they built the app in access |
| 17:40.46 | TomW | Morn: probably written in VB |
| 17:40.51 | Morn | and now they want to add some funcitonality |
| 17:40.58 | Morn | no vb |
| 17:41.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: screeeeeeeenshots *grin* |
| 17:41.02 | Morn | all inside access |
| 17:41.05 | TomW | Morn: just take the money and run. |
| 17:41.14 | GPSFan | sorphin: cool, thanks I haden't come across that one. |
| 17:41.28 | sorphin | GPSFan: thank jordan *grin* |
| 17:41.43 | TomW | Morn: prostitution of talent is still a worthy way to buy bread, milk, and egs... |
| 17:41.53 | TomW | s/egs/eggs/ |
| 17:41.55 | Morn | TomW: tell me about it |
| 17:42.04 | sorphin | TomW: but morn's not a hooker ;p |
| 17:42.15 | sorphin | that i'm awareof anyways |
| 17:42.21 | TomW | sorphin: ssshhh! |
| 17:43.04 | GPSFan | oops, thanks CosmicPenguin :>ppp |
| 17:43.06 | Morn | well I should get back to this |
| 17:43.09 | TomW | sorphin: she is the only woman that we have coaxed into talking with us, don't blow it now! |
| 17:43.31 | sorphin | TomW: she's not goin anywhere :P |
| 17:43.37 | TomW | heh |
| 17:48.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: hmmm |
| 17:48.15 | sorphin | "This is the first GPS receiver I review that doesn't appear to be equipped with a SiRF chipset" |
| 17:48.31 | sorphin | that's on that GPSpassion page |
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| 18:15.41 | sorphin | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:15.41 | | thanks sorphin :) |
| 18:15.53 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 18:15.56 | | thx |
| 18:15.57 | kergoth | morning sorphin |
| 18:20.38 | sorphin | kergoth: sup |
| 18:37.37 | prpplague | ha, you guys see that about that spammer getting all that snail-mail |
| 18:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | yep.... |
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| 18:50.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i love that |
| 18:51.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: only problem is, its mail fraud |
| 18:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | They catch you - its a few years in pound-you-in-the-ass federal prision |
| 18:56.13 | prpplague | oh ya? then why the hell isn't spam illegal? |
| 18:56.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: who knows |
| 18:57.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: probably back when mail fraud was first made illegal, you couldn't buy a senator |
| 18:57.32 | CosmicPenguin | That particular product has only been on the market for about 20 years now |
| 18:57.33 | Morn | well the access problem is fixed |
| 18:57.41 | Morn | I hate when I can only bill for 2 hours on something like this |
| 18:58.12 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: you don't have a mininum amount? |
| 18:58.26 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 18:58.39 | Morn | but hey, $100 is a $100 |
| 18:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | That will buy 100 DVD-Rs! |
| 18:59.10 | CosmicPenguin | Woo-hoo! |
| 18:59.36 | Morn | I need to worry about paying tuition first for a while |
| 19:00.17 | prpplague | Morn: i still say infecting a customer with the klez and charging them to clean it up is the quickest way to make money |
| 19:00.28 | Morn | doh! |
| 19:01.08 | Morn | I've been wondering, is it illegal to read the map data in MS Streets and Trips with an alternate program (something open source with inux for example) |
| 19:01.32 | Morn | and if it is, does that mean reading an email message made with outlook in mutt is illegal too? |
| 19:01.46 | prpplague | http://www.merconnet.com/products.php?ProductID=30 |
| 19:02.11 | prpplague | Morn: no i heard several discussions about that, and most everyone agrees that its not illegal |
| 19:02.43 | prpplague | Morn: problem is alot of ppl have tried to read the data on these cd's but no one has made it work yet |
| 19:02.49 | Morn | :-( |
| 19:02.56 | Morn | I own Streets and Trips |
| 19:03.09 | Morn | it would be nice to not have to boot the laptop into XP just ot use it |
| 19:03.22 | prpplague | Morn: street maps is the only reason we even have winblows on our laptops |
| 19:03.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see that url? |
| 19:03.45 | Russ|werk | Morn: it doesn't work in wine? even vb6 works in wine |
| 19:04.09 | Morn | Russ|werk: I didn't try it in wine, to be honest I haven't tried wine in like 2 years |
| 19:04.18 | Russ|werk | wine has changed *alot* |
| 19:04.52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i tried it last year and i complained about non-matching dll's |
| 19:04.58 | kergoth | yeah, wine actually works really well nowadays |
| 19:05.01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: however i've not tried it recently |
| 19:05.22 | Morn | I'm so happy that evolution works on my laptop |
| 19:06.11 | Morn | I guess I should get the wireless card working on the laptop |
| 19:06.42 | Morn | I built a new tuxscreen image last night with microwindows |
| 19:06.51 | Morn | haven't installed it yet |
| 19:06.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: looking now |
| 19:07.03 | Morn | seeing as how I've forgotten how (grin) |
| 19:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I will be upgrading MW to the latest release RSN |
| 19:07.39 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I have the caller ID all working, I just need to tie it into a FLTK program |
| 19:07.49 | Morn | oh, too cool |
| 19:08.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh.... cute |
| 19:08.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder what has under the hood? |
| 19:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I think I remember our marketing guys bringing back some littrature on that from CES |
| 19:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bubble chip |
| 19:08.49 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:09.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know, but I gotta assume as much |
| 19:09.22 | Morn | now to remember where I put the null modem |
| 19:09.23 | prpplague | didn't they shut down ppl selling x-box mod chips? |
| 19:09.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey which one's have you got? |
| 19:09.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've still not received mine |
| 19:10.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got one of the linea units? |
| 19:10.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, all mine are throwaway $50 things |
| 19:11.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 19:12.45 | CosmicPenguin | Right now Greg and I are fighting over how to handle touchscreen calibration in MW |
| 19:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm just gonna do it my way, and he can reject the patch |
| 19:13.38 | Morn | help |
| 19:13.47 | Morn | I reset the tux and hit space to get into the blob |
| 19:13.58 | Morn | it just prints a prompt then I can't do anything |
| 19:14.24 | Morn | hmmm |
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| 19:14.33 | CosmicPenguin | weird - did your terminal settings change magically? |
| 19:14.33 | Morn | seems hitting space isn't the same as a return |
| 19:15.41 | Morn | downloading the ramdisk now |
| 19:15.46 | Morn | cross your fingers :-) |
| 19:16.58 | Morn | any good word on having the 32MB sodimm's work yet? |
| 19:17.02 | Morn | without a hardware hack |
| 19:20.42 | Morn | microwindows doesn't start by default? |
| 19:20.56 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: doubt it |
| 19:21.18 | Morn | hmmm |
| 19:23.40 | Morn | I still don't have a working touchscreen |
| 19:26.58 | CosmicPenguin | It should - are you sure you have the latest stuff? |
| 19:27.21 | Morn | yeah |
| 19:27.25 | Morn | I think it could be my tux |
| 19:27.29 | CosmicPenguin | from Alex? |
| 19:27.41 | Morn | I just did the make in build root |
| 19:27.46 | Morn | did I need something else? |
| 19:31.16 | Morn | is there another way to see if the touchcreen devices is sending any data? |
| 19:31.28 | Morn | something I can cat /dev/touchscreen or something like that |
| 19:33.13 | Morn | wait |
| 19:33.14 | Morn | I goofed |
| 19:33.22 | Morn | I downloaded but didn't apply the new ramdisk |
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| 19:44.00 | Morn | ack |
| 19:44.10 | Morn | I'm getting tons of errors like this |
| 19:44.35 | Morn | Child dir: "2.4.18-rmk6-tux1" (ino #10) of dir ino #9 appears to be a hard link |
| 19:44.48 | Morn | then it hangs at "Freeing init memory: 60k" |
| 19:46.30 | Morn | oh wait |
| 19:46.35 | Morn | am I using too old of a blob? |
| 19:46.52 | Morn | I can't remember if I had the kernel on one partition adn the ramdisk on another or all in one |
| 19:47.01 | Morn | it's been so long since I messed with the config on the tux |
| 19:47.06 | Morn | though I use it every day as a phone |
| 19:47.50 | Morn | I'm using blob version 2.0.5-pre3 |
| 19:51.37 | Russ|werk | Morn: how does that relate to what is in download? |
| 19:52.01 | Morn | I think it is the 20020709 blob |
| 19:52.18 | Morn | which seems to be the latest one in the download area |
| 19:52.23 | Russ|werk | ok |
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| 19:52.41 | Morn | and typing status shows a different area for kernel and ramdisk |
| 19:52.50 | Russ|werk | so you are using a ramdisk, not a jffs image |
| 19:52.55 | Morn | right |
| 19:53.12 | Morn | I thought the jffs image was a ramdisk |
| 19:53.34 | sorphin | sjhill: tho i told you the best way to catch me is email ;) |
| 19:53.37 | Russ|werk | no, its just the term gets used in two ways |
| 19:53.49 | Russ|werk | one, as the location that a ramdisk is stored, two as a ramdisk |
| 19:54.13 | Russ|werk | so, when we started putting the rootfs on flash, we would put it in the place where the ramdisk was usually flashed |
| 19:54.20 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:54.27 | sorphin | must have a shitload of registers :P |
| 19:54.29 | sjhill | hi file |
| 19:54.39 | Morn | will that version of the blob work with the jffs image I made last night? |
| 19:54.50 | Russ|werk | so a jffs2 image is not a ramdisk, but it gets flashed to the same place as the ramdisk |
| 19:55.10 | sorphin | ~fishslap sjhill |
| 19:55.12 | | ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:55.17 | file | sjhill: my Nino sits broken hearted |
| 19:55.19 | sjhill | gaaah |
| 19:55.20 | Russ|werk | blob doesn't care if you have a jffs (I hope you mean jffs2) image, it would only care if you wanted to load a kernel from the jffs2 image |
| 19:55.24 | Morn | it looks like it is trying to load the old kernel from the kernel partition though |
| 19:55.35 | Morn | and I think I want to load the kernel from the jffs image |
| 19:55.35 | sjhill | file: and my schedule is freeing up after today :-) |
| 19:55.43 | file | sjhill: does that mean... Linux? |
| 19:55.48 | sjhill | yup |
| 19:55.59 | prpplague | sjhill: hows the job hunting? |
| 19:56.00 | file | and touchscreen? |
| 19:56.21 | Russ|werk | iirc, 20020709 just has one partition |
| 19:56.22 | sorphin | prpplague: ya know |
| 19:56.23 | sjhill | prpplague: does the term "crickets chirping" tell you :) |
| 19:56.33 | sorphin | this better not be anotehr bubble chip |
| 19:56.33 | prpplague | sjhill: bummer |
| 19:56.38 | Morn | hold on, let me ssh in from this box so I can cut and past |
| 19:56.42 | prpplague | sorphin: buble in what? |
| 19:56.50 | sorphin | http://www.merconnet.com/products.php?ProductID=30 <--- that |
| 19:56.57 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:57.16 | sorphin | better not be another pos pos |
| 19:57.17 | Russ|werk | I hope thats a joke |
| 19:57.18 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:59.25 | Morn | blob (0x00000000): from flash |
| 19:59.25 | Morn | param (0x00010000): from flash |
| 19:59.25 | Morn | kernel (0x00020000): from flash |
| 19:59.25 | Morn | ramdisk (0x00020000): from flash |
| 19:59.27 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh, ya i just happened to run across that |
| 20:00.13 | Morn | Linux version 2.4.18-rmk2-tux1 (timr@localhost) (gcc version 2.95.2 20000313 |
| 20:00.21 | Morn | but I just built the jffs last night |
| 20:00.32 | Morn | and I believe it downloaded gcc 3.x for that |
| 20:00.37 | Morn | and should be rmk6 |
| 20:01.08 | Morn | Child dir "pts" (ino #68) of dir ino #67 appears to be a hard link |
| 20:01.08 | Morn | Child dir "pts" (ino #70) of dir ino #69 appears to be a hard link |
| 20:01.08 | Morn | VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). |
| 20:01.08 | Morn | Freeing init memory: 60K |
| 20:01.15 | Morn | that's where it hangs |
| 20:02.27 | Russ|werk | you keep saying jffs, you mean jffs2, right? |
| 20:02.32 | Morn | yeah |
| 20:03.02 | Russ|werk | follow this procedure: http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.6/blob-20020709.txt |
| 20:06.10 | Morn | I did that |
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| 20:11.20 | Russ|werk | I thought that one just had one partition though... |
| 20:11.35 | Morn | :-( |
| 20:12.07 | Morn | can someone else check the version of their blob for me? |
| 20:12.17 | Morn | blob version 2.0.5-pre3 for TuxScreen (Shannon) |
| 20:14.11 | sorphin | Russ|werk: well, yes and no |
| 20:14.18 | sorphin | it lists all 3 |
| 20:14.31 | sorphin | but when you upload, you upload the kernel+ramdisk into *1* of them |
| 20:14.50 | Russ|werk | ya, it compiles differently based on whether or not CONFIG_JFFS2_SUPPORT is defined |
| 20:15.17 | Morn | I didn't recompile the blob |
| 20:15.18 | sorphin | which it should be |
| 20:15.22 | Russ|werk | if its defined, KERNEL_RAM_BASE will equal RAMDISK_RAM |
| 20:15.23 | Morn | just the kernel/ramdisk |
| 20:15.25 | Russ|werk | _BASE |
| 20:15.43 | sorphin | Russ|werk: that's only on a blob recompile, she didn't chang ethe blob |
| 20:15.44 | sorphin | the |
| 20:18.15 | Russ|werk | ok, so when blob boots, does it talk about loading the kernel from the jffs2? |
| 20:19.04 | Morn | hold on, I'm redownloading the ramdisk from the tuxscreen.net site |
| 20:19.28 | Morn | oddly the phone still owrks while doing this |
| 20:19.31 | Morn | I just got a phone call |
| 20:19.33 | sorphin | of course |
| 20:19.42 | sorphin | wow |
| 20:19.47 | sorphin | someone using hteir tux as a phone ;) |
| 20:19.52 | sorphin | new concept |
| 20:19.54 | Russ|werk | Morn: but only in pulse dial mode |
| 20:19.59 | Morn | I've been using it as phone since day one |
| 20:20.00 | Russ|werk | I like my tux as a phone |
| 20:20.05 | Russ|werk | nice load ringer |
| 20:20.10 | sorphin | s/load/loud/ |
| 20:21.41 | Morn | I'm pretty sure it isn't loading the kernel from my jffs2 image though |
| 20:21.43 | Russ|werk | yes, thank you |
| 20:21.46 | Morn | because the numbers are all wrong |
| 20:24.03 | Russ|werk | Morn: if the kernel location equaled the ramdisk location, then that would be the only place it could load it from |
| 20:26.12 | Morn | gosh the image from the website is so much bigger than one I built last night |
| 20:27.39 | Morn | hold on |
| 20:28.29 | Morn | it appears that I just wasn't waiting long enough for the pcmcia services to come up |
| 20:28.38 | Morn | seems it takes longer than I thought it should |
| 20:28.52 | Morn | reloading my jffs2 image from last night |
| 20:36.38 | Morn | no I get this far "Unable to open initial console" |
| 20:38.15 | Morn | now it's booting the right kernel |
| 20:38.22 | Morn | after I reflashed 4 times |
| 20:40.47 | Morn | putting a pcmcia card in causes it get past that part quicker |
| 20:42.53 | Russ|werk | the first time you load a jffs2, it erases all the unused sectors |
| 20:43.29 | Morn | I think the Warning: unable to open an initial console. is a problem |
| 20:44.44 | Morn | is there something in the boot params that is wrong? |
| 20:45.30 | Morn | Kernel command line: console=ttySA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc |
| 20:46.15 | sorphin | those devices exist under /dev ? |
| 20:46.26 | Morn | if I could boot I would tell you |
| 20:46.27 | sorphin | (i.e. you're not using devfs i assume) |
| 20:46.45 | andersee | Russ|werk: It shouldn't need to erase the unused sectors anymore, since I added cleanmarks into mkfs.jffs2 |
| 20:46.46 | sorphin | is this your image or hte dl'd one? |
| 20:46.46 | Russ|werk | are you still getting the inode errors? |
| 20:47.02 | Morn | no more inode errors |
| 20:47.05 | andersee | Russ|werk: of course that only happens with the latest from CVS |
| 20:47.07 | Russ|werk | andersee: hmm...but doesn't that make 4M image no matter what? |
| 20:47.12 | andersee | yup |
| 20:47.34 | Russ|werk | andersee: so..if you have a 2M image, it'll still take whatever log ass time a 4M image would take to upload |
| 20:47.52 | Russ|werk | I think erasing 2M of sectors is faster than uploading 2M of cleanmarkers |
| 20:47.59 | andersee | But at least 1st bootup will be faster... ;-) |
| 20:48.15 | Russ|werk | right, but the time you gain, you lost elsewhere |
| 20:48.32 | kergoth | andersee: cleanmarkers used automatically or a cmdline opt to mkfs.jffs2? |
| 20:48.57 | Russ|werk | it would be an advantage if you used a serial transfer protocol that compresses though |
| 20:49.27 | Morn | I get as far as it loads the PCMICIA stuff |
| 20:54.20 | Russ|werk | are you looking at both the serial console and the LCD? |
| 20:55.07 | Morn | yes |
| 20:55.11 | Morn | they have the same data |
| 20:55.27 | Morn | Freeing init memory: 56K |
| 20:55.28 | Morn | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 20:55.28 | Morn | Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22 |
| 20:55.28 | Morn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.28 | Morn | SA-1100 PCMCIA (CS release 3.1.22) |
| 20:55.50 | andersee | kergoth: cleanmarkers by default |
| 20:55.53 | andersee | kergoth: " -c, --cleanmarker=SIZE Size of cleanmarker (default 12)\n" |
| 20:55.53 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.00 | kergoth | andersee: ah, k thanks |
| 20:56.01 | file | CosmicPenguin: you there? |
| 20:56.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're doomed now |
| 20:56.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if file's looking for you, you're doomed |
| 20:56.40 | file | nah - the Rio 800 128mb is on Compgeeks and I wanted to tell him |
| 20:56.51 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:56.56 | sorphin | how much? |
| 20:57.11 | file | $99 |
| 20:57.22 | sorphin | as compared to.. |
| 20:57.55 | sorphin | i dunno how much it normally runs ;p |
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| 20:58.52 | sorphin | file: heh, there's a Compaq one for $70 uses mmc |
| 20:59.14 | sorphin | 79 even |
| 20:59.54 | Russ|werk | Morn: is that with your image, or the v0.6 image? |
| 21:00.03 | Morn | my image |
| 21:00.04 | Russ|werk | prpplague: you don't happen to have a shipping #, do you? |
| 21:00.12 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:00.13 | Morn | I'm going back to the v0.6 image |
| 21:00.27 | Russ|werk | Morn: does your version of mkfs.jffs2 support device tables? |
| 21:01.16 | Morn | Russ|werk: I don't know, in a nutshell I checked buildroot-tux, uncommented microwindows int he makefile and typed make |
| 21:01.21 | Morn | then I tried to run that image |
| 21:02.04 | Russ|werk | hmmm |
| 21:05.23 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'm here now |
| 21:05.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RIO800-128-R |
| 21:05.50 | sorphin | that's what he wanted you to see |
| 21:06.20 | file | CosmicPenguin: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RIO800-128-R |
| 21:06.27 | sorphin | file: you're slow |
| 21:06.50 | sorphin | rm -f file |
| 21:07.22 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hell no, sorry, my boss is hanging over my should for the last couple of days |
| 21:07.33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll try to get it shortly |
| 21:07.40 | Russ|werk | ah, so he is reading this right now, "hello boss" |
| 21:08.39 | CosmicPenguin | file: sweet - I might get one if they're still around after Christmas |
| 21:09.48 | CosmicPenguin | if (month != 12 || day < 25) continue; else buy_rio(); |
| 21:10.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:11.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: doesn't the future "old shoe" need to approve the purchase? ;p |
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| 21:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: prolly |
| 21:12.10 | file | CosmicPenguin: did that peak your interest? |
| 21:12.20 | sorphin | file: since you missed it |
| 21:12.24 | file | copy/paste! |
| 21:12.28 | sorphin | he's gnna buy after xmas if it's still around |
| 21:12.34 | file | k |
| 21:12.38 | Morn | s/peak/pique/g |
| 21:12.53 | sorphin | Morn: no one talks like pique :P |
| 21:13.07 | file | bbl |
| 21:13.48 | Morn | well, the v0.6 image gets to saying some stuff about using /lib/modules |
| 21:13.53 | Morn | but still doesn't boot all the way |
| 21:14.06 | Morn | eeww |
| 21:14.09 | Morn | it loaded |
| 21:14.16 | Morn | after like 10 minutes |
| 21:14.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:15.30 | Morn | maybe the other will boot if I wait long enough |
| 21:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | Is /. slow, or does our network connection suck? |
| 21:20.06 | sorphin | its you |
| 21:21.06 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, the front page does alright, but I changed my options in a article, and it took forwever |
| 21:21.18 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, it was the SPAM article, so maybe thats special |
| 21:22.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:22.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:22.18 | sorphin | cute |
| 21:22.20 | sorphin | http://www.davidm.net/ |
| 21:22.23 | sorphin | upper left |
| 21:23.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | Ship Date 12/03/2002 |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | Delivered To Recipient |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | Delivery Location SNOWMASS CO |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | Delivery Date/Time 12/05/2002 09:58 |
| 21:23.25 | sorphin | Signed For By S CLAUS |
| 21:23.26 | sorphin | Service Type FedEx 2Day Letter |
| 21:23.36 | file | sorphin: I saw that earlier :) |
| 21:51.54 | CosmicPenguin | So, IANAL - but doesn't this spam king idiot have a case? Hell, his address (and his lawyer's address) is posted all over that thing |
| 21:52.13 | CosmicPenguin | I know hes a real low class snake, but geez - I would hate to have my life exposed like that |
| 21:57.05 | prpplague | anyone looked at the dlink dwl-900 ap? |
| 21:57.14 | sorphin | nope |
| 21:57.32 | prpplague | just got one in, its got a samsung arm7 core and 4 megs flash and 8megs ram |
| 21:57.41 | file | nice |
| 21:57.43 | prpplague | and an internal pcmcia slot |
| 21:58.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bluetoooh! |
| 21:58.18 | sorphin | cute |
| 21:58.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the hell with buck^H^H^H^Hbluetooth |
| 21:59.13 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, yeah? |
| 21:59.35 | CosmicPenguin | Its like tabbed web browsing.... in 5 years, you'll wonder why you ever went without it |
| 21:59.38 | prpplague | looks like the pins for the lcd interface are present on the pcb too |
| 22:00.09 | Russ|werk | prpplague: thats a pretty unbalanced ram to flash ratio... |
| 22:00.19 | sorphin | it's just RF leaking serial |
| 22:01.45 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya thats what i was thinking |
| 22:01.54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm gonna open another one |
| 22:02.39 | prpplague | Russ|werk: this thing is suppose to have bridging and firewalling |
| 22:03.10 | prpplague | Russ|werk: only thing i can think is maybe there are running some rw schemes |
| 22:04.00 | CosmicPenguin | They need a good amount of space for NAT, if it supports it |
| 22:04.51 | Russ|werk | 16M of ram gives me 8192 contrack entries, a few megs for logs, and the space for programs to run |
| 22:05.03 | Russ|werk | and I only have 2M of flash |
| 22:05.18 | Russ|werk | I have no clue what they are doing with 4M of flash |
| 22:05.24 | Russ|werk | are you sure its not 4Mbit? |
| 22:06.25 | CosmicPenguin | Well, what would the cost difference be between say 2MB and 4MB at this point in tme? |
| 22:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | Like for example, you can almost get a 64MB CF for less than a 32MB CF |
| 22:08.10 | Russ|werk | hmm...$10 to $20 I think |
| 22:08.16 | Russ|werk | CF is NAND flash |
| 22:08.25 | Russ|werk | I'm talking NOR flash |
| 22:08.37 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I was just using that as an example as to why less volume isn't nessesarly less cost |
| 22:11.14 | Russ|werk | I think with CF it has more to do with demand, and the fact that most fabs would rather produce 64M parts |
| 22:14.12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm gonna re-check in a minute |
| 22:32.10 | prpplague | Russ|werk: maybe i mis spoke |
| 22:32.21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: looks like i might have read the number wrong |
| 22:32.31 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i can;t seem to find this chip |
| 22:32.39 | prpplague | Russ|werk: winbond w986432 |
| 22:33.08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i though i had the specks for 986432 but i had 786432 |
| 22:37.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:37.09 | sorphin | file, cosmipenguin: |
| 22:37.11 | sorphin | Rio 800 128MB MP3/WMA Portable Digital Audio Player $79.00 |
| 22:37.26 | sorphin | doesn't look $99 to me on that page ;) |
| 22:37.39 | sorphin | price drop ;) |
| 22:58.31 | prpplague | ok the specs i found refer to it as a 8x32 |
| 22:58.40 | prpplague | thats 4meg right? |
| 23:05.00 | prpplague | andersee: has there been any reported problems with the load/dumpkmap with regards to the shift-tab not functioning |
| 23:05.01 | prpplague | ? |
| 23:12.04 | Russ|werk | 8Mbitx32? |
| 23:13.43 | prpplague | ya |
| 23:14.18 | Russ|werk | in the back of my head, I think that comes out to 1MB |
| 23:14.26 | Russ|werk | er, how many are there |
| 23:15.04 | Russ|werk | just one? |
| 23:17.13 | prpplague | hmm, i'm getting different info on this chip |
| 23:17.34 | prpplague | Russ|werk: 8bitx32meg |
| 23:18.22 | prpplague | Russ|werk: seems this is some sort of oem chip |
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| 23:19.17 | prpplague | andersee: seems loadkmap and dumpkmap don't read string assignments properly |
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| 23:23.59 | andin | hi all. |
| 23:30.21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: amd is telling me its a 4meg chip, but the supplier says its a 2meg chip and the a spec sheet says its a 1meg chip |
| 23:30.50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: how do you like that for being on the same sheet of music? |
| 23:36.32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok, the spec sheet is right, its actually a 1Mx8 |
| 23:38.16 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sdram is 2Mx32 |
| 23:39.59 | Russ|werk | that makes quite a bit more sense |