irclog2html for #tuxscreen on 20021125

`00:07.47`	`Russ`	`'exec /sbin/init'`
`00:08.31`	`Russ`	`Usage: init 0123456SsQqAaBbCcUu`
`00:08.57`	`sorphin`	`so give it an arg?`
`00:09.18`	`Russ`	`er, it thinks its telinit I think`
`00:09.45`	`sorphin`	`give it an arg anyways?`
`00:09.58`	`Russ`	`then it would just attempt to do what telinit does`
`00:11.23`	`Russ`	`argghhh`
`00:11.26`	`Russ`	`how did that happn`
`00:11.30`	`Russ`	`I'm pid 7`
`00:11.36`	`Russ`	`[swapper] is pid 1`
`00:12.26`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`00:12.54`	`sorphin`	`almost sounds like a non linux box ;)`
`00:13.15`	`Russ`	`wonder when that happened`
`00:13.37`	`Russ`	`ok, so...[swapper] becomes init`
`00:13.43`	`Russ`	`so its doing the old initrd system`
`00:14.01`	`sorphin`	`just like on solaris, there's always a top process above init`
`00:14.02`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.02`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.11`	`sorphin`	`i've seen swapper on linux before`
`00:14.16`	`sorphin`	`depending on how you start`
`00:28.05`	`Russ`	`grrr`
`00:28.29`	`Russ`	`ok, now I told it to mount /dev/rd/0 as root, so that it does /linuxrc as init`
`00:28.44`	`Russ`	`but now its doing the initrd, and then when that quits, it does it again`
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`01:41.19`	`jgorkos`	`anyone have a jtag dongle they want to sell/rent?`
`01:42.34`	`sorphin`	`nope`
`01:43.15`	`jgorkos`	`I bricked my tux during a bootloader flash, and I need to jtag flash it.`
`01:44.44`	`sorphin`	`but you have to have a 3.3v parallel port (and be willing to take the risk)`
`01:45.55`	`sorphin`	`Russ: what was that new pcb program you found again?`
`01:46.29`	`jgorkos`	`where would you find a 3.3v parallel port (older mb or newer mb)?`
`01:46.51`	`sorphin`	`newer`
`01:47.01`	`sorphin`	`my athlon board has one`
`01:48.54`	`jgorkos`	`unfortunately, I'm not quite with the times. euphamistically, I say I'm trying to do more with less and like the constraints put on me by more limited hardware.`
`01:49.06`	`jgorkos`	`actually, with a wife and three kids, I can't budget much to new hardware.`
`01:53.37`	`sorphin`	`all i can suggest is try and find someone local`
`01:54.54`	`jgorkos`	`I think Tim might still have some jtag dongles. I'll ask for one for Christmas.`
`02:17.58`	`MonMotha`	`are they that hard to make`
`02:17.58`	`MonMotha`	`?`
`02:18.11`	`MonMotha`	`all they are is a buffer`
`02:18.21`	`MonMotha`	`knock it down from 5V to 3.3V`
`02:19.20`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: usually the people asking, aren't electronically oriented, don't have pcb making skills nor a protoboard`
`02:21.00`	`MonMotha`	`ah`
`02:21.14`	`MonMotha`	`actually I hear proto boards don't work too well as jflash is very timing specific`
`02:22.12`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: heh, you don't know the fun i went through ;)`
`02:22.19`	`MonMotha`	`oh?`
`02:22.34`	`sorphin`	`getting this cable just right just so jflash would do it's job`
`02:22.36`	`MonMotha`	`yet... :)`
`02:23.40`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`02:23.47`	`MonMotha`	`I've got a nice new version of blob on there that seems to work`
`02:24.03`	`sorphin`	`well, i was going back to inferno :P`
`02:24.08`	`MonMotha`	`ah`
`02:24.10`	`MonMotha`	`yeah :)`
`02:24.36`	`MonMotha`	`well, going back the other way (inferno to blob) isn't easy either...infernoremote is such a PITA`
`02:25.15`	`sorphin`	`well actually`
`02:25.19`	`sorphin`	`the only reason i bricked`
`02:25.37`	`sorphin`	`is cuz tim hadn't updated something on wiki that he should have ;)`
`02:25.50`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`02:26.47`	`MonMotha`	`hum, I appear to be out of 100 ohm resistors`
`02:27.03`	`sorphin`	`i have plenty ;)`
`02:27.36`	`MonMotha`	`I only had 10, needed 16`
`02:27.43`	`MonMotha`	`oh well, radio shack sells resistors dirt cheap`
`02:27.57`	`sorphin`	`only thing they sell these days ;p`
`02:28.12`	`MonMotha`	`pretty much`
`02:28.28`	`MonMotha`	`some 74 series logic, op amps, transistors, LEDs, a few diodes, etc`
`02:28.31`	`MonMotha`	`at the good stores`
`02:28.47`	`sorphin`	`no buffers tho ;p`
`02:28.49`	`MonMotha`	`it's kinda odd...they have some really oddball 74 series logic, but no XOR gates :)`
`02:29.01`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: actually I went back and looked...they have a 251, which will accomplish the same task`
`02:29.23`	`MonMotha`	`er 241`
`02:29.47`	`MonMotha`	`just has to output enable lines that are ANDed before controlling all 8 outputs, rather than two output enable lines each controlling 4 outputs`
`02:29.59`	`MonMotha`	`but since we're not even using that functionality, who cares`
`02:30.20`	`MonMotha`	`the lack of XOR gates is troubling...they're so useful :)`
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`02:59.39`	`Russ`	`now attempting to get nbd going for swap`
`02:59.49`	`Russ`	`but the client daemon keeps dying for no aparent reason`
`03:01.06`	`sorphin`	`you just don't seem to have much luck w/ that stuff do you? ;)`
`03:02.00`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: there was something odd you had to do to get swap working over nbd`
`03:02.59`	`Russ`	`hey, a pretty oops`
`03:03.48`	`Russ`	`in the nbd module, brought on by kswapd`
`03:03.55`	`MonMotha`	`told you`
`03:05.05`	`Russ`	`maybe I should swap to nfs..`
`03:05.34`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`03:05.43`	`Russ`	`.hmm...looks like you need patches`
`03:05.54`	`MonMotha`	`you do to swap via nbd`
`03:06.02`	`MonMotha`	`or you could try doing a loopback over the nbd`
`03:06.10`	`MonMotha`	`you can loopback over block devices, right?`
`03:06.34`	`Russ`	`no, you loop back files into block devices`
`03:06.53`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, but I thought you COULD loopback a block device to a block device`
`03:07.11`	`sorphin`	`never done that`
`03:07.12`	`MonMotha`	`at the worst, you could put a fs on the nbd, mount it, loopback and swap to that :)`
`03:07.28`	`MonMotha`	`or just install the freakin' patches :)`
`03:07.35`	`Russ`	`I already have an nfsroot`
`03:08.08`	`MonMotha`	`oh, then you could just uset hat I guess`
`03:08.14`	`MonMotha`	`but there might be less overhead over a nbd`
`03:08.31`	`Russ`	`maybe 16M will be enough...`
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`03:13.57`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`03:14.05`	`MonMotha`	`I thought 640k was enough for anyone`
`03:14.28`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: shaddup bill`
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`03:28.30`	`jjshoe`	`can the tuxscreen serve as a voip to pots/pstn gateway?`
`03:28.52`	`Russ`	`root@portal:/home/russ# swapon /swap`
`03:28.52`	`Russ`	`swapon: /swap: Invalid argument grrr...`
`03:28.59`	`Russ`	`jjshoe: you'd need a shanip mod`
`03:29.01`	`sorphin`	`Russ: seen that`
`03:29.10`	`MonMotha`	`shanip isn't too tough to do`
`03:29.11`	`sorphin`	`Russ: mkswap is very picky`
`03:29.45`	`jjshoe`	`shanip mod? got a link?`
`03:30.03`	`MonMotha`	`ibot shanip`
`03:30.04`		`extra, extra, read all about it, shanip is at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/shanip`
`03:30.54`	`jjshoe`	`that comes up blank here :\`
`03:31.08`	`MonMotha`	`jjshoe: keep hitting refresh until it works`
`03:31.11`	`MonMotha`	`sourceforge is broken`
`03:33.34`	`jjshoe`	`hrm`
`03:33.56`	`jjshoe`	`but why would he solder in a headphone jack?`
`03:33.57`	`sorphin`	`or try a diff browser`
`03:34.43`	`jjshoe`	`anyone have an extra tux screen they want to part with? :)`
`03:34.52`	`sorphin`	`no`
`03:36.49`	`MonMotha`	`jjshoe: you're going to have lots of trouble finding someone who does :)`
`03:37.15`	`MonMotha`	`however you can probably build a little gateway fairly easily`
`03:37.25`	`MonMotha`	`well, compared to building an entire comp from scratch that is :)`
`03:37.42`	`jjshoe`	`MonMotha i cant find anything on using a winmodem anywere`
`03:38.10`	`jjshoe`	`i guess my comp could sacrifice the cpu, i have plenty of it`
`03:38.11`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`03:38.19`	`sorphin`	`winmodems suck :P`
`03:38.27`	`file[laptop]`	`don't state the obvious`
`03:38.35`	`jjshoe`	`sorphin all im looking for is a cheap equiv for a linejack card`
`03:38.42`	`jjshoe`	`sorphin from the sounds of it a winmodem is the perfect thing`
`03:38.48`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`03:39.08`	`sorphin`	`you can get a real modem for the price of some "cheap" winmodems :P`
`03:39.10`	`Russ`	`get the creative voip blaster frem ebay`
`03:39.16`	`sorphin`	`that too`
`03:39.19`	`sorphin`	`file[laptop]: shaddup`
`03:41.34`	`jjshoe`	`Russ that would work, except i also want remote pc's to make local pstn calls`
`03:41.48`	`Russ`	`you'd just have to set that up on the network then`
`03:42.05`	`Russ`	`h.323 gateway or something`
`03:43.15`	`jjshoe`	`Russ back to a modem for doing the outbound...`
`03:45.16`	`jjshoe`	`MonMotha http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/noname.html but they have lil to no documentation`
`03:45.23`	`file[laptop]`	`it's external.`
`03:46.06`	`sorphin`	`heh, we have 2 cisco 5300's at work for SIP gateways :P`
`03:47.21`	`jjshoe`	`ive played with the cisco voip stuff`
`03:47.27`	`jjshoe`	`this is how i got this idea stuck in my head`
`03:48.14`	`jjshoe`	`what in the word is fxo?`
`03:48.17`	`jjshoe`	`world`
`03:48.29`	`sorphin`	`Foreign eXchange Office`
`03:50.24`	`jjshoe`	`i think i had just better save a lot of headaches and get the line jack`
`03:50.29`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`03:51.05`	`jjshoe`	`i do regret not buying a tux phone`
`03:51.12`	`jjshoe`	`however i didnt want to fight with it to do voip and all that`
`04:02.25`	`jjshoe`	`MonMotha still there?`
`04:02.38`	`MonMotha`	`yes`
`04:03.03`	`jjshoe`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2073865753`
`04:04.10`	`sorphin`	`so get it?`
`04:04.41`	`jjshoe`	`however i think its misleading about the 'gateway' part`
`04:04.54`	`jjshoe`	`according to its webpage atleast i think it is`
`04:05.33`	`Russ`	`voip blaster is a lot cheaper, and you can write software for it`
`04:07.04`	`jjshoe`	`if i can at all, i want it to be as independent from the computer as possible`
`04:07.35`	`jjshoe`	`but i need to split`
`04:07.36`	`jjshoe`	`bbll`
`04:08.02`	`sorphin`	`heh, he wants to be independant of the peecee`
`04:08.09`	`sorphin`	`yet talks about using a winmodem`
`04:08.15`	`sorphin`	`yeah, that makes perfect sense..`
`05:39.15`	`jjshoe`	`sorphin extremely cheap and functional. or extremly seperate`
`05:39.40`	`jjshoe`	`sorphin i only want the winmodem if can be done entirely with the winmodem`
`05:40.24`	`MonMotha`	`jjshoe: entirely with the winmodem? basically you'd be using the winmodem as a sound card hooked up to a phoen line, but for VoIP to POTS thats really all you need`
`05:40.36`	`MonMotha`	`there are better ways to do it than a winmodem tho`
`05:40.39`	`jjshoe`	`MonMotha thats what i mean`
`05:40.44`	`MonMotha`	`like an actual sound card hooked up to a phone line :)`
`05:40.45`	`jjshoe`	`MonMotha like what else do you recomend?`
`05:41.07`	`MonMotha`	`jjshoe: dunno :)`
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`09:20.13`	`Russ`	`http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205%257E12220%257E1011855,00.html <- my friend ray`
`09:31.35`	`LIM`	`he sounds thrilling.`
`10:00.14`	`*** join/#tuxscreen Squart (~peter@halotec.xs4all.nl)`
`10:00.43`	`*** join/#tuxscreen BZFlag (timr@rikers.org)`
`10:00.43`	`*** mode/#TuxScreen [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ`
`10:01.05`	`sorphin`	`i know i've seen this once before.. anyone seen any xmodem over telnet?`
`10:09.38`	`LIM`	`yeah`
`10:09.47`	`LIM`	`zmodem`
`10:09.54`	`LIM`	`I think it did xmodem too`
`10:14.47`	`LIM`	`ztelnet`
`10:24.04`	`Squart`	`does anyone have experience with Toshiba's 2Gb PCMCIA harddisks on the tux?`
`10:27.30`	`sorphin`	`LIM: hmm`
`10:28.09`	`LIM`	`Squart: me!`
`10:28.22`	`Squart`	`Cool!`
`10:28.41`	`Squart`	`I tried it with tux-build v0.6`
`10:29.12`	`LIM`	`I dunno what I started with`
`10:29.13`	`Squart`	`but when I try to insmod anything, the drivers seem to crash`
`10:29.19`	`LIM`	`weird...`
`10:29.27`	`Squart`	`Yeah`
`10:29.36`	`sorphin`	`LIM: fyi, the reason i need it, is cuz everything serial here goes on my terminal server...`
`10:30.01`	`LIM`	`sorphin: there's apparently a ton of wondows clients...`
`10:30.02`	`Squart`	`I want to try build-root from cvs, but my linux machine is running low on disk size`
`10:30.21`	`Squart`	`I hope that will work`
`10:31.05`	`LIM`	`that is what I've used.`
`10:31.15`	`LIM`	`not recently though...`
`10:31.24`	`LIM`	`once things work, I don't touch them much ;)`
`10:31.34`	`Squart`	`I agree`
`10:32.03`	`Squart`	`Could you perhaps give me your ram-images?`
`10:32.20`	`sorphin`	`LIM: thats nice, except i'd rather not have to switch to windows to xmodem to my tux over telnet, might as well just hook direct to my damn serial ports :P`
`10:33.02`	`Squart`	`I only need to pivot-root to the harddisk :-)`
`10:33.46`	`LIM`	`Squart: sure...`
`10:33.55`	`Squart`	`cool!`
`10:35.01`	`LIM`	`http://jonatkins.org/files/tuxscreen-image.jffs2`
`10:35.13`	`Squart`	`Thanks a lot!`
`10:35.26`	`LIM`	`no problem`
`10:35.43`	`LIM`	`it will boot to ram if harddisk fails.`
`10:36.08`	`LIM`	`you'll need to do that once...to tweak the /linuxrc probably.`
`10:36.09`	`Squart`	`does it contain the abililty to nfs mount something?`
`10:36.12`	`LIM`	`yes`
`10:37.20`	`Squart`	`oeps: Pinging jonatkins.org [68.54.21.184] with 32 bytes of data:`
`10:37.20`	`Squart`	`Request timed out.`
`10:37.33`	`LIM`	`stop pinging.`
`10:37.39`	`Squart`	`:-)`
`10:37.51`	`LIM`	`just grab the file`
`10:37.55`	`Squart`	`but the http link doesn't work either`
`10:38.13`	`LIM`	`something is wrong on your end perhaps...`
`10:39.47`	`Squart`	`Every other page seems to work fine...`
`10:39.50`	`LIM`	`I can't ping you either.`
`10:39.54`	`LIM`	`I'll try dcc`
`10:40.04`	`Squart`	`No.... firewall`
`10:40.08`	`LIM`	`oh.`
`10:40.13`	`LIM`	`bad firewall.`
`10:40.23`	`sorphin`	`LIM: i stop at:`
`10:40.23`	`sorphin`	`11 sprint-gw.dlstx.ip.att.net (192.205.32.53) 30.221 ms 31.490 ms 31.959 ms`
`10:40.53`	`LIM`	`someone at 212.111.232.146 just got a file from me...`
`10:40.56`	`LIM`	`on http`
`10:40.59`	`sorphin`	`BZFlag: um... limgoodness? (tm)`
`10:41.00`	`Squart`	`BZFlag v0.6 seems to crash when I try to load the ide drivers for my Toshiba hd`
`10:41.11`	`LIM`	`hey, that image is tweaked...`
`10:41.23`	`BZFlag`	`explain "tweaked"`
`10:41.27`	`LIM`	`checnged.`
`10:41.29`	`sorphin`	`LIM: like i said, it has limgoodness(tm)`
`10:41.31`	`LIM`	`blah!`
`10:41.38`	`LIM`	`yep`
`10:41.40`	`BZFlag`	`as in... what is changed?`
`10:41.49`	`LIM`	`linuxrc vastly modified`
`10:42.02`	`LIM`	`I can post it`
`10:42.13`	`LIM`	`I also have a nice issue and bashrc`
`10:42.28`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. sure. I presume you have looked at the latest cvs linuxrc ?`
`10:42.30`	`LIM`	`I'll say...it's pre-personalized is all.`
`10:42.41`	`LIM`	`I'll look`
`10:42.46`	`LIM`	`doesn't mean I want it`
`10:42.48`	`BZFlag`	`bashrc? you run bash, not bb ash?`
`10:42.58`	`Squart`	`hmm, 192.205.32.53 isn't on our path, neither is 212.111.232.146`
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`10:43.30`	`LIM`	`Squart: well, what can I do then...`
`10:43.40`	`Squart`	`Good question`
`10:43.51`	`LIM`	`Squart: if you take your firewall down for a moment, I can dcc`
`10:44.37`	`Squart`	`Unfortunately my Server at home isn't running and my LRP router doesn't have wget nor lynx, so I can't try rom home.`
`10:45.04`	`BZFlag`	`LIM: patches welcome. post em to the list.`
`10:45.10`	`Squart`	`Do you have our IP then?`
`10:45.15`	`LIM`	`BZFlag: I dunno if I'm worthy ;)`
`10:45.29`	`sorphin`	`LIM: email? :P`
`10:45.39`	`LIM`	`BZFlag: I'll look at the linuxrc...then see what diff's it has to mine`
`10:45.43`	`BZFlag`	`I'd like to get to the point where udhcpc is getting nfs mount info from the dhcp server and then /linuxrc is using that tou do the pivot_root.`
`10:45.45`	`LIM`	`email! yes`
`10:46.01`	`Squart`	`:-)`
`10:46.06`	`LIM`	`BZFlag: I have a HD...not nfs`
`10:46.35`	`LIM`	`Squart: email?`
`10:46.35`	`BZFlag`	`LIM: fine. hd should be detected by the current. I've got a 1G udrive in mine and it works fine.`
`10:46.39`	`Squart`	`I have the same HD, but didn't get it working yet, so I want to try LIM's image`
`10:46.53`	`LIM`	`hd didn't cause any issues...`
`10:47.07`	`Squart`	`I hope my mailbox will allow the image size... peter.public@halotec.com`
`10:47.31`	`sorphin`	`just bzip2 it`
`10:47.59`	`BZFlag`	`I need to get new versions up with the newer uclibc and busybox.`
`10:48.37`	`andersee`	`evening Tim`
`10:48.42`	`BZFlag`	`by the way, we are likely to move to #eLinux at some point as we talk about a lot more that tuxscreens these days. ;-)`
`10:48.47`	`BZFlag`	`andersee: heya.`
`10:48.48`	`LIM`	`1835008 bytes, Squart`
`10:48.53`	`andersee`	`Guess my ears were ringing... :)`
`10:49.05`	`BZFlag`	`~fishslap andersee`
`10:49.06`		`ACTION slaps andersee up side the head with a wet fish.`
`10:49.08`	`Squart`	`LIM: Hitme!`
`10:49.28`	`sorphin`	`~lart andersee`
`10:49.34`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: just finished rewriting mkfs.jffs2 again...`
`10:49.38`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`10:49.42`	`sorphin`	`50lb unix manual eh?`
`10:49.45`	`sorphin`	`must be SCO ;)`
`10:49.50`	`BZFlag`	`to use fakeroot? ;-) just kidding.`
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`10:50.54`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: I now have things sufficiently clean and generic, the core can be used for any mkfs. cramfs is my next victim, then ext2 (full, not just the lame 8 MB limited genext2fs)`
`10:51.11`	`BZFlag`	`cool.`
`10:51.24`	`BZFlag`	`then isofs and udf are next? ;-)`
`10:51.29`	`LIM`	`I am using ext3 on my hd`
`10:51.36`	`andersee`	`Anyway, I tested it (just flashed my phone) and its working`
`10:51.42`	`LIM`	`so it doesn't care too much about power...`
`10:51.43`	`andersee`	`BZFlag: hehe`
`10:52.08`	`Squart`	`LIM: many benefits over ext2?`
`10:52.17`	`LIM`	`Squart: journaling`
`10:52.33`	`Squart`	`LIM: right...`
`10:52.57`	`LIM`	`Squart: which is very nice...`
`10:53.14`	`Squart`	`:-)`
`10:53.46`	`BZFlag`	`ugh... must sleep. andersee we should talk sometime during the say. ;-) night all.`
`10:53.59`	`LIM`	`it doesn't have to do fsck on bad reboots...`
`10:54.08`	`Squart`	`Bye (just in the afternoon over here)`
`10:55.06`	`LIM`	`check your email`
`10:55.12`	`Squart`	`LIM: its safer on power failures as well I presume?`
`10:55.23`	`Squart`	`LIM: Thanks!`
`10:55.50`	`LIM`	`yes, exactly`
`10:56.03`	`Squart`	`LIM: got it!`
`10:56.12`	`LIM`	`I used to forget to pay my bill or weather would thrash power.`
`10:56.17`	`Squart`	`now I'll need to wait to get home and try`
`10:56.28`	`LIM`	`if you don't use ext3...`
`10:56.39`	`LIM`	`then remove the insmod ext3 from the linuxrc`
`10:57.03`	`LIM`	`also...`
`10:57.05`	`Squart`	`Haha, I have some same problem with forgetting to pay bills`
`10:57.08`	`LIM`	`I use a static address.`
`10:57.10`	`Squart`	`LIM: ok`
`10:57.26`	`Squart`	`right.. is udhcp build in this image?`
`10:57.34`	`LIM`	`so you will have to switch things around to activate udhcpc again.`
`10:57.39`	`LIM`	`yeah`
`10:57.50`	`LIM`	`it's in there...just not used in the linuxrc...it's commented out...`
`10:57.52`	`Squart`	`ok no problem then`
`10:58.03`	`LIM`	`plus I added ifconfig for eth0 to set the static IP.`
`10:58.30`	`Squart`	`righto`
`10:59.04`	`LIM`	`it also tries to wait for the pcmcia eth0 to come up...`
`10:59.40`	`LIM`	`perhaps I'll make it more generic soon.`
`11:00.04`	`LIM`	`as in, set a few options at the top...`
`11:00.22`	`LIM`	`but I should see what is in cvs again first..`
`11:01.23`	`Squart`	`:-)`
`11:01.47`	`Squart`	`hope It won't crash now and I can happily use my 2gig drive :-)`
`11:02.17`	`Squart`	`That's great, even my linux-pc only has 1gig....`
`11:03.16`	`LIM`	`hmm, the new linuxrc has some good things I should add...`
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`11:07.12`	`sorphin`	`LIM: i hate uncooperative compilations :P`
`11:07.54`	`LIM`	`ztelnet?`
`11:08.03`	`sorphin`	`yup`
`11:08.07`	`LIM`	`1.2.2?`
`11:08.24`	`sorphin`	`and "telnetd" has compile errors, but the client compiles`
`11:08.41`	`Squart`	`Great.... windows is trying to calculate upload time... its doing that for some minutes now`
`11:08.49`	`Squart`	`just upload the damn thing`
`11:08.55`	`Squart`	`:-)`
`11:09.46`	`LIM`	`sorphin: I still dunno if it really does xmodem, or only zmodem...`
`11:09.52`	`sorphin`	`welllll`
`11:10.05`	`sorphin`	`Usage: sz [-2+abcdefgklLnNuvwyY] [-] file ...`
`11:10.05`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:10.05`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:10.05`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:10.05`	`sorphin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:10.10`	`sorphin`	`sx == xmodem`
`11:10.12`	`LIM`	`I know that.`
`11:10.29`	`sorphin`	`and even if it only does zmodem`
`11:10.34`	`LIM`	`but does the client allow you to start an xmodem transaction...`
`11:10.38`	`sorphin`	`it'll use a \| to an external whatever you want`
`11:10.52`	`LIM`	`there was another page...in german...`
`11:10.55`	`sorphin`	`x/y/zmodem/kermit`
`11:10.58`	`LIM`	`it was about a cool hack`
`11:11.06`	`sorphin`	`ztel ?`
`11:11.29`	`LIM`	`http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.ime.usp.br/~ueda/ldoc/ztel.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtelnet%2Bzmodem%2Blinux%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8`
`11:13.01`	`sorphin`	`well, this should work`
`11:13.08`	`sorphin`	`tho i'll have to hook up a tux to try it`
`11:13.26`	`sorphin`	`cuz as i said, even if the intermal zmodem won't do xmodem, it lets you use an external`
`11:13.29`	`sorphin`	`via \|`
`11:13.42`	`LIM`	`whoa!`
`11:14.00`	`sorphin`	`whoa?`
`11:14.14`	`LIM`	`this hack almost works like a charm...`
`11:14.24`	`sorphin`	`eh?`
`11:14.41`	`LIM`	`hah!`
`11:14.45`	`LIM`	`you have minicom?`
`11:14.49`	`sorphin`	`yes`
`11:15.07`	`LIM`	`run it...`
`11:15.16`	`LIM`	`tell it the modem is at /dev/ptypd`
`11:15.42`	`LIM`	`then in another terminal run: bash </dev/ttypd &>/dev/ttypd`
`11:16.35`	`sorphin`	`allows downloads but not uploads`
`11:16.49`	`LIM`	`why not uploads?`
`11:17.17`	`sorphin`	`umm`
`11:17.19`	`sorphin`	`read teh page :P`
`11:17.38`	`sorphin`	`"Of this form we obtain to make downloads, but not uploads, because of the telnet to perhaps capture its character of escape"`
`11:17.43`	`LIM`	`stty?`
`11:18.06`	`LIM`	`stty raw`
`11:18.08`	`LIM`	`perhaps`
`11:18.12`	`LIM`	`oh`
`11:18.22`	`LIM`	`and telnet can be told to not use any escapes...`
`11:18.34`	`sorphin`	`should work fine`
`11:18.36`	`sorphin`	`neat hack tho`
`11:19.37`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`11:19.44`	`sorphin`	`they had a linux binary in here already`
`11:19.51`	`sorphin`	`uses less libs than mine`
`11:20.19`	`sorphin`	`hmm seems to`
`11:25.22`	`LIM`	`looks good...that binary...`
`11:28.33`	`LIM`	`except no way to start an xmodem send`
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`13:46.57`	`sorphin`	`LIM\|Away: um.. yes there is`
`13:47.31`	`sorphin`	`if you mean ztelnet, you either sz/sx/sb or rz/rx/rb :P`
`13:53.06`	`fontenot`	`is there anything like netstat in busybox?`
`13:55.04`	`sorphin`	`ah, they omitted internal xmodem, so i'll use xternal :P`
`13:55.23`	`sorphin`	`fontenot: no idea`
`14:04.03`	`sorphin`	`LIM\|Away: Y and Z work.. X always aborts, which sucks, cuz X is the damn one i need.., tho i can't do inferno remote this way either.. heh`
`14:13.17`	`sorphin`	`LIM\|Away: heh, xmodem fails via --tcp-client/server too.. so it must be something w/ the one i have..`
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`16:46.21`	`Morn`	`hi Jordan`
`16:49.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`'ello`
`16:57.34`	`sorphin`	`lo jordan, julie`
`16:57.46`	`Morn`	`:-)`
`16:57.57`	`Morn`	`CosmicPenguin: what is up with your username?`
`16:58.46`	`sorphin`	`same as vosque i guess.. just a random junk username`
`17:01.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: what do you mean?`
`17:01.28`	`Morn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:01.44`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ah - yeah, just random chars - XChat nicely does that for me`
`17:01.45`	`Morn`	`it used to be Jordan@`
`17:02.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`New version`
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`17:02.30`	`Morn`	`what version of xhcat?`
`17:02.33`	`Morn`	`I'm using 1.8.10`
`17:02.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ok, so maybe thats not it`
`17:03.00`	`Morn`	`plus wouldn't that mess up identd?`
`17:03.01`	`sorphin`	`prolly a setting`
`17:03.05`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But it started doing it recently, and I equated that with a new version upgrade. Maybe I'm smoking crack`
`17:03.08`	`Morn`	`as I notice you don't have the ~`
`17:03.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`identd doesn't make it through the firewall - and as long as I can connect to freenode and oftc, I don't care`
`17:04.34`	`Morn`	`I don't use identd either, as I'm on IPv6`
`17:04.46`	`Morn`	`and I don't think the solaris identd server handles IPv6`
`17:05.26`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Well, the less the world knows about me, the better`
`17:06.05`	`Morn`	`I really need to get ready for my trip tonight`
`17:06.09`	`Morn`	`too much to do before I leave`
`17:06.39`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: where you off to?`
`17:06.49`	`Morn`	`just Philadelphia for the holiday`
`17:08.20`	`Morn`	`180 mile drive each way`
`17:08.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Not too shabby... :)`
`17:08.43`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But remember, where I am from, its a given that you have to drive at least 250 miles to get anywhere`
`17:08.56`	`Morn`	`consider that I just got my license less than 2 months ago`
`17:09.02`	`Morn`	`so that's a long distance for me`
`17:09.13`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ahh.... and snow storms predicted too, I suppose....`
`17:09.18`	`Morn`	`yep`
`17:09.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`At least thats what Al Roker said this morning`
`17:11.00`	`Morn`	`and I have a doctors appt this afternoon`
`17:12.33`	`Morn`	`CosmicPenguin: I'm really looking forward to the release of pixil... Please keep me informed`
`17:13.15`	`Morn`	`how hard do you think it'll be to add touchscreen support for it to the tuxscreen?`
`17:26.05`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: Its all on my shoulders - as soon as I get it ready, it will go out`
`17:26.55`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morn: as far as the tuxscreen - it will be trival. I just need to see if I can't fit all the apps within such a small space constraint`
`17:27.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`But I didn't put in the screensaver support, so normally don't have it running`
`17:28.14`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: what was the url for the black friday list that yo uhad again ?`
`17:29.20`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: sorry, I lost it. i have the text file though`
`17:29.37`	`sorphin`	`dcc?`
`17:29.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sure. Incoming`
`17:30.38`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:30.42`	`CosmicPenguin`	`no go?`
`17:30.52`	`sorphin`	`"you've hit censoft's firewall, have a nice day"`
`17:31.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ahhh, nuts.....`
`17:31.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`signal11: did you close that port out?`
`17:31.25`	`sorphin`	`just email it.. nospam@captainrock.com`
`17:31.51`	`sorphin`	`by the time sig11 wakes up, it'll be friday ;)`
`17:34.14`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: thanks`
`17:34.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`np`
`17:35.04`	`sorphin`	`anything on there you gonna snag?`
`17:35.21`	`sorphin`	`i'm definately going for the -R drive, since it's a good one :)`
`17:36.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I'm gonna get that too. I'm real excited about it`
`17:36.23`	`sorphin`	`:)`
`17:36.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Of course, they'll prolly drop to 125 or lower by this time next year, but thats just the way it goes`
`17:36.52`	`sorphin`	`even if i can only burn at 1x, or 2.4x, still better than nothing ;)`
`17:36.58`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`17:37.02`	`sorphin`	`by this time next year`
`17:37.13`	`sorphin`	`they'll prolly have 8x drives, but the media will still cost a fortune`
`17:37.39`	`sorphin`	`and morn will still argue w/ all the programs w/ the sony ;)`
`17:37.41`	`CosmicPenguin`	`By this time next year, CD-ROMs will be non existant, CD-RW will be like 30 bucks and given away like candy`
`17:38.33`	`sorphin`	`i'm wondering how the crowd will be at officemax. a friend in KS said the crowds there are usually at BB and CC, not really at office max`
`17:39.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Yeah, I agree.`
`17:39.18`	`sorphin`	`hope it'll be htat way here`
`17:39.23`	`sorphin`	`so i won't have to fight to get one ;)`
`17:39.29`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Of course, who knows how many of these things they will have - If enough intellegent geeks see the add on Thursday, it might be a hastle`
`17:39.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`hassle even`
`17:39.38`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`17:39.49`	`sorphin`	`i need to look up where all local officemax's are`
`17:39.51`	`sorphin`	`just in case`
`17:40.08`	`CosmicPenguin`	`So if they don't expect a run on it - they might only have 15 or 20 per store.`
`17:40.16`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`17:40.43`	`sorphin`	`good luck`
`17:40.50`	`sorphin`	`seeing as they don't even list the drive atm`
`17:40.54`	`sorphin`	`remember? i looked`
`17:41.09`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ah - yeah.`
`17:41.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Hopefully its not a red herring. I should run by my local store and see if they even have it on the shelfs or not`
`17:41.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`shelves`
`17:41.46`	`sorphin`	`they only seem to "list" it when it's gonna be on sale`
`17:41.51`	`sorphin`	`from what iv'e seen on google`
`17:43.40`	`CosmicPenguin`	`After that, I need to get a good digital camera`
`17:43.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`s/camera/camcorder/`
`17:45.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`And a FireWire card`
`17:45.59`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: interesting`
`17:46.12`	`sorphin`	`if i search for the sku on officemax.com w/ no -`
`17:46.14`	`sorphin`	`i get:`
`17:46.26`	`sorphin`	`Product 20146496 may be available in retail stores. Use our Store Locator and call to check availability`
`17:46.38`	`sorphin`	`just not on the website possibly`
`17:52.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: you stirred up a hornets nest`
`17:52.55`	`sorphin`	`he did?`
`17:53.04`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: I'll stop by and see if they have it at my store(s)`
`17:53.18`	`sorphin`	`ditto here`
`17:56.17`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Now, we need an menu authoring program for Linux, and Bob will be our uncle`
`17:56.34`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`18:04.26`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: do what?`
`18:06.18`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: what did i do?`
`18:10.20`	`sorphin`	`prpplague: that's what i was trying to figure out`
`18:15.34`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: whats he talking about?`
`18:16.25`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: with your whole Term 4 Linux experience`
`18:16.50`	`sorphin`	`uh oh`
`18:16.58`	`sorphin`	`glad i have nothing to do w/ it`
`18:34.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I wish I had nothing to do with it`
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`18:42.33`	`sorphin`	`heh, for that matter, i wonder where that ceiva is i was being shipped.`
`18:44.43`	`CosmicPenguin`	`what kind of errors are you getting?`
`18:46.05`	`sorphin`	`well, if i'm on the receiving end, just Transfer Incomplete`
`18:46.12`	`sorphin`	`if i'm on the sending, i get:`
`18:47.03`	`sorphin`	`Xmodem sectors/kbytes sent: 0/ 0kRetry 0: Cancelled`
`18:47.13`	`sorphin`	`Transfer incomplete`
`18:47.30`	`CosmicPenguin`	`And it retries that several times, rihgt?`
`18:47.40`	`sorphin`	`no`
`18:47.51`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Just the once?`
`18:47.55`	`sorphin`	`hence Retry 0: Cancelled`
`18:48.06`	`sorphin`	`would appear so`
`18:48.22`	`sorphin`	`y and Z have no issues, but of course X, the one the TUX needs, fails..`
`18:48.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Old bootloader, eh?`
`18:48.57`	`sorphin`	`actually`
`18:48.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Using minicom i assume?`
`18:49.04`	`sorphin`	`this is all local testing`
`18:49.10`	`sorphin`	`for the moment`
`18:49.12`	`CosmicPenguin`	`rz to sz locallly?`
`18:50.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`ic`
`18:50.02`	`sorphin`	`why couldn't they ahve used something else in blob :P`
`18:50.17`	`sorphin`	`atleast ymodem :P`
`18:50.38`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ironically, the new ones do support Z, but you need to be able to support X to download the new bootloader that supports Z`
`18:51.00`	`sorphin`	`well, i can do that long enough hooked ot the peecee`
`18:51.02`	`Morn`	`re's`
`18:51.08`	`sorphin`	`Morn: re jules`
`18:51.34`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: just the peecee isn't a long term avail here, i'd rather hang them off the TS`
`18:51.42`	`Morn`	`I just got a book I bought on eBay`
`18:51.43`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: I understand`
`18:51.51`	`sorphin`	`Morn: cool, which?`
`18:52.00`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: well, you can always stick -v -v -v on the sz command, and see what pops out`
`18:52.04`	`Morn`	`it's a rulebook for Shadowrun`
`18:52.47`	`CosmicPenguin`	`On a completely different note, these would be fun to play with: http://www.velleman.be/Product.asp?lan=1&id=343923`
`18:52.59`	`CosmicPenguin`	`and http://www.velleman.be/Product.asp?lan=1&id=279925`
`18:53.22`	`Morn`	`sorphin: I suspect your younger than I and as such Shadowrun could be before your time`
`18:53.22`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: wctx:file length=580`
`18:53.22`	`sorphin`	`Xmodem sectors/kbytes sent: 0/ 0kRetry 0: Got ff for sector ACK`
`18:53.22`	`sorphin`	`Retry 0: Cancelled`
`18:53.32`	`sorphin`	`mode:0`
`18:53.36`	`CosmicPenguin`	`In fact, this whole project looks like a hoot: http://k8housealarm.pie.dyndns.org/`
`18:53.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Got FF for sector ACK?`
`18:53.48`	`sorphin`	`Morn: 27`
`18:53.55`	`Morn`	`sorphin: 35`
`18:54.24`	`Russ`	`afternoon`
`18:54.34`	`sorphin`	`allo mr nfs troubles russ`
`18:55.19`	`Russ`	`my troubles now only consist of how to swap`
`18:55.38`	`sorphin`	`shove enough memory in the tux so you don't have to ;)`
`18:56.16`	`Russ`	`I'm talking about a pc104 board`
`18:56.20`	`sorphin`	`oh`
`18:56.29`	`sorphin`	`never touched one`
`18:56.35`	`sorphin`	`yell at prpplague`
`18:56.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: somebody's not playing nice`
`19:00.15`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: oh?`
`19:00.29`	`sorphin`	`alright children.. can you say power blink?`
`19:00.31`	`sorphin`	`i knew you could`
`19:00.57`	`CosmicPenguin`	`yeah, the first byte you get back should the the ACK. Either your client isn't parsing the TCP/IP correctly, or the TS is sending back bogus data`
`19:01.14`	`sorphin`	`i'm all local atm`
`19:01.29`	`sorphin`	`testing from one linux box to another`
`19:01.35`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Ahhh... serial or TCP/IP?`
`19:01.43`	`sorphin`	`just over tcp/ip`
`19:02.23`	`CosmicPenguin`	`So anyway, my theory still stands.`
`19:02.45`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I've never used the TCP/IP code before, though, so maybe I am up in the night`
`19:02.54`	`sorphin`	`that prpplague did it?`
`19:03.35`	`CosmicPenguin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:03.49`	`sorphin`	`he and his evil army of POS equipment`
`19:05.27`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ha! the boss upset over that?`
`19:05.48`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: yeah.`
`19:06.00`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: y znd z share the common code, so why would only x fail is the Q`
`19:06.34`	`CosmicPenguin`	`sorphin: the rz/sz code isn't the most consistant on the planent`
`19:06.38`	`CosmicPenguin`	`or even on the planet`
`19:06.44`	`sorphin`	`true`
`19:07.14`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I mean, I proved a while ago that rz and sz couldn't even communicate with each other, let alone a third entity`
`19:07.27`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`19:07.27`	`CosmicPenguin`	`anyway, its lunch time, so I will bbl`
`19:08.51`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: man, i'm just a problem child, first creating problems kergoth at digi and then CosmicPenguin at censoft`
`19:09.05`	`sorphin`	`and you always create probs at wcom :P`
`19:09.14`	`prpplague`	`sorphin: yaya that too`
`19:09.32`	`sorphin`	`damn POS whores`
`19:15.08`	`Russ`	`prpplague: do you have a tracking #?`
`19:15.38`	`prpplague`	`Russ: sorry no, i'll check at lunch`
`19:19.08`	`Russ`	`it'll probably arrive today`
`19:20.44`	`Morn`	`did anyone ever get caller ID working on the tux?`
`20:09.18`	`file[laptop]`	`darn it I can't remember what network irc-2.mit.edu is linked to`
`20:24.36`	`file[laptop]`	`Russ: get that machine going yet?`
`20:25.21`	`Russ`	`ya`
`20:25.39`	`file[laptop]`	`good good`
`20:25.41`	`Russ`	`but apt-get doesn't like only having 16M and stuff gets oomkilled when I use it`
`20:25.48`	`file[laptop]`	`hehe`
`20:27.55`	`LIM\|Away`	`I had to use loopback swap when I did nfs debian...`
`20:31.34`	`Russ`	`what is loopback swap`
`20:34.08`	`LIM\|Away`	`make a file on the nfs`
`20:35.01`	`LIM\|Away`	`dd </dev/zero >/swap bs=1024 count=131072`
`20:35.07`	`LIM\|Away`	`for instance`
`20:35.23`	`file[laptop]`	`you mean a swapfile done over NFS?`
`20:35.36`	`file[laptop]`	`that... must be mighty slow`
`20:35.56`	`LIM\|Away`	`then: losetup /dev/loop0 /swap`
`20:36.04`	`LIM\|Away`	`then mkswap /dev/loop0`
`20:36.10`	`sorphin`	`CosmicPenguin: bah.. one one even reasonably close officemax now.. the other are a lil ways.. and the one that used to be in the mall closed.. (cuz officemax is going under)`
`20:36.11`	`LIM\|Away`	`then swapon /dev/loop0`
`20:36.33`	`LIM\|Away`	`yes, it's slow...but what choice do you have unless you have a HD`
`20:36.42`	`file[laptop]`	`LIM\|Away: I suppose`
`20:39.33`	`sorphin`	`well speed is also proportional to the speed of the link the nfs is going over`
`20:39.58`	`Morn`	`did anyone answer my question about caller id and the tux?`
`20:40.04`	`sorphin`	`nope`
`20:40.07`	`file[laptop]`	`negative`
`20:40.36`	`Morn`	`nope it doesn't work, or nope no one answered my question :-)`
`20:41.04`	`sorphin`	`nope no one answered`
`20:48.00`	`Morn`	`what's the easiest way to install debian?`
`20:52.11`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: what did the censoft sales guy say about his call?`
`20:56.23`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: that you trashed Term prettygood`
`21:19.30`	`*** join/#tuxscreen ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)`
`21:19.30`	`*** mode/#TuxScreen [+o ChanServ] by saberhagen.freenode.net`
`21:24.46`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: the biggest problem is that you are in our new target group - they want to get a developers community built around Term`
`21:27.38`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ohh, well they won't get it with that configuration IMHO`
`21:36.50`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: I don't make the policy, I just get blamed when it goes south on them`
`21:37.59`	`*** join/#tuxscreen levi_ (~levi@ash.lnxi.com)`
`21:39.11`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: lol`
`21:39.27`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: ya well, if you need some help/feedback let me know`
`21:39.42`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: sorry to get you put in the doghouse`
`21:40.01`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: they don't believe that you got 8 emails from us in such a short time span - wanna prove em wrong?`
`21:40.17`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: already trashed them`
`21:40.27`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: let me see if i have them on the server`
`21:44.06`	`Morn`	`I remember raising hell at censoft when I first looked at pixil`
`21:44.20`	`Morn`	`I seriously thought they put my picture and email on a poster to not respond to me`
`21:47.28`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Nah,we just blocked you at the firewall.... :)`
`21:49.58`	`Morn`	`doh!`
`21:50.23`	`Morn`	`I actually spoke to a few people on the phone`
`21:52.33`	`CosmicPenguin`	`We just don't react to Linux/Unix users as well as we should - when 99% of your clientel is Windows, its an easy thing to do`
`21:55.02`	`Russ`	`I just now realized that moses in southpark is the tron mcp`
`22:02.24`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: have you showed you managment microcom?`
`22:03.37`	`prpplague`	`jeeze, i'm getting spam for south american marajuana`
`22:05.54`	`prpplague`	`ibot: seen sjhill`
`22:05.54`		`sjhill <~NOYB@207-191-210-241.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #tuxscreen, 1d 1h 48m 44s ago, saying: 'i've never looked at them'.`
`22:08.05`	`CosmicPenguin`	`prpplague: yeah`
`22:10.24`	`prpplague`	`CosmicPenguin: now, if term was like that with just a flag for terminal type, we'd pay for it`
`22:26.35`	`*** join/#tuxscreen jacques (~fontenot@westcoast.activebuddy.com)`
`22:31.43`	`prpplague`	`jacques: lo`
`22:31.59`	`prpplague`	`jacques: whats up?`
`22:32.02`	`jacques`	`hi prpplague :-)`
`22:32.47`	`jacques`	`the deeper I get into tslib, the more I'm convinced it was written by drunk chimps`
`22:33.29`	`prpplague`	`jacques: lol`
`22:33.48`	`prpplague`	`jacques: i still contend that ts support is not as bad as the pcmcia drivers`
`22:33.59`	`jacques`	`you wouldn't think so little code could be so messe up`
`22:34.12`	`jacques`	`yeah you are probably right`
`22:34.45`	`prpplague`	`jacques: problem i have with ts support is that i can't find anything written up on a practicle techniques on implementing ts concepts`
`22:35.17`	`jacques`	`prpplague: good point - if you find anything let me know :-)`
`22:35.26`	`prpplague`	`jacques: will do`
`22:35.36`	`jacques`	`I was disappointed to see that the X driver does not even support pressure`
`22:35.44`	`jacques`	`but that's the least of my worries`
`22:36.07`	`prpplague`	`jacques: scanline seems to have good handle on things, <harras>but he's too much of a guru to talk to us newbies</harras>`
`22:36.20`	`jacques`	`:-D`
`22:36.37`	`jacques`	`yeah I am definitely a newbie in this context`
`22:36.52`	`CosmicPenguin`	`I abandoned the tslib after I stared at it for a while`
`22:37.14`	`jacques`	`I think there is a fnudamental disconnect between the way X wants to do input and the way tslib does it`
`22:37.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`We chose to go our own route with Microwindows (and so did Micah, IIRC)`
`22:37.31`	`CosmicPenguin`	`jacques: definately`
`22:38.00`	`jacques`	`unfortunately, tslib has been somewhat "blessed"`
`22:38.17`	`jacques`	`there is a "tslib ts driver" in recent xfree cvs`
`22:38.21`	`jacques`	`put there by keithp`
`22:38.31`	`jacques`	`but I dont see how it ever worked`
`22:38.57`	`CosmicPenguin`	`jacques: Meh - I think Keith was just trying to be friendly - AFAIK RMK is the only guy whos tring to make it fly`
`22:39.21`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Seesh - thats enough coffee for me`
`22:39.31`	`*** join/#tuxscreen Morn (~julie@ultrasparc.ipv6.magenet.com)`
`22:39.38`	`jacques`	`well I am this far from writing my own by stealing about 20 lines out of tslib`
`22:39.56`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Anyway, the whole /dev/input/* thing is a good idea, but having tslib as the end all interface library isn't working for me`
`22:40.01`	`prpplague`	`i've been messing with tiny-x and the implementation for ts support is somewhat dis-organized`
`22:40.16`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Anyway, if every touchscreen in the world works with /dev/input/*, then you will only ever need 1 driver anyway`
`22:40.41`	`jacques`	`tat may be part of my problem - I built tslib without input api support`
`22:40.54`	`jacques`	`because I didnt want ppl to have to change kernels just to get ts working right in x`
`22:43.12`	`prpplague`	`BZFlag: hey, any chance i could get a status on the lineo project for net+arm linux?`
`22:46.25`	`*** join/#tuxscreen mallum (~mallum@pc-80-193-218-32-hw.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`22:50.14`	`file`	`hello mallum.`
`22:50.42`	`mallum`	`hey file`
`22:54.19`	`prpplague`	`howdy there matchbox maniac`
`22:54.45`	`mallum`	`prpplague: ;-)`
`22:55.12`	`prpplague`	`mallum: i've started brainwashing my son, he watch 3 PotA movies this weekend :)`
`22:55.31`	`mallum`	`prpplague: how old is he ?`
`22:55.38`	`prpplague`	`mallum: almost 6`
`22:55.42`	`prpplague`	`mallum: lol`
`22:55.50`	`mallum`	`prpplague: they'll really scare him`
`22:56.06`	`Morn`	`PotA?`
`22:56.32`	`prpplague`	`mallum: actually, no he enjoyed them, i had to explain that they didn't have any PotA stuff at the toy store`
`22:56.39`	`prpplague`	`Morn: Planet of the Apes`
`22:56.45`	`Morn`	`ah`
`22:57.22`	`prpplague`	`mallum: local chanel was having a PotA marathon`
`22:57.33`	`mallum`	`heh ;-)`
`22:57.41`	`mallum`	`prpplague: lots of toys on ebay`
`22:58.00`	`prpplague`	`mallum: ya my wife has some originals in storage`
`22:59.38`	`mallum`	`prpplague: me too`
`22:59.50`	`mallum`	`prpplague: worth alot of money`
`23:34.03`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Another in the long list of completely clueless people:`
`23:34.06`	`CosmicPenguin`	`http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower/`
`23:34.13`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Or in this case 3398 clueless people`
`23:35.37`	`jacques`	`ARG`
`23:35.42`	`jacques`	`idiots`
`23:36.08`	`jacques`	`"Update, 2002.0509: This petition has been suspended temporarily due to a lack of maintenance by the petition author. ? PetitionOnline.com"`
`23:38.22`	`CosmicPenguin`	`False alarm - that was written by a famous /. troll... I recognized his name`
`23:40.57`	`jacques`	`oh`
`23:40.58`	`jacques`	`some ppl have way too much free time`

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