| 08:21.17 | file[laptop] | wb CosmicPenguin |
| 08:21.26 | CosmicPenguin | thx |
| 08:21.42 | file[laptop] | finally tracked down my ADSL problems - bad phone cord |
| 08:22.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: think that's bad? my friend daniel out in SF lost power last night and only got it back at 6:30am |
| 08:25.35 | kergoth`out | hey |
| 08:30.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I hate that... we had a big storm this spring, and a whole part of town was out of power for 3 days.... |
| 08:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: when did you get promoted? :) |
| 08:46.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: we had similar here too.. fscking annoying |
| 09:10.00 | CosmicPenguin | why is it so hard to find a mainframe expert? |
| 09:10.35 | sorphin | ;) |
| 09:12.02 | file[laptop] | Y2K.... hahaha |
| 09:18.27 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: this stuff is hairy. I have a new appreciation for the dinosaur programmers |
| 09:18.57 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 09:20.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: does a Vax count? :) |
| 09:22.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Not right now... I need IBM experience. But VAX is admirable... :) |
| 09:27.03 | sorphin | which big blue? |
| 09:33.04 | CosmicPenguin | S/370 running an old version of OS/390 - MVS 3.8 to be exact |
| 09:34.07 | sorphin | doh.. wrong flavor ;) |
| 09:35.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what do you know? |
| 09:36.12 | sorphin | some RS6000/AIX and AS400 |
| 09:39.52 | CosmicPenguin | Well, if it was AIX, then I would feel more at home, right? |
| 09:40.07 | sorphin | prolly |
| 09:40.25 | sorphin | aix is just unix w/ more holes ;) |
| 09:40.54 | CosmicPenguin | This thing uses the wonderful IBM invention known as JCL |
| 09:41.36 | sorphin | i knew there was a reason i avoided OS/390 - S/370 ;) |
| 09:42.53 | file[laptop] | the thing that holds the motherboard comes out... quite easily |
| 09:43.02 | sorphin | nod |
| 09:55.27 | CosmicPenguin | Woo-hoo - I segfaulted xchat! |
| 09:55.39 | sorphin | cool |
| 09:57.27 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: sneeze on it? |
| 10:05.31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: maybe... |
| 10:13.02 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 10:13.10 | sorphin | uh oh, it's the ops daemon |
| 10:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | Did Lineo do this one? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7145548309.html |
| 10:14.27 | kergoth | that device looks pretty cool |
| 10:15.52 | sorphin | yup |
| 10:16.43 | kergoth | i like that it has biometric auth |
| 10:16.45 | kergoth | thats pretty cool |
| 10:17.19 | sorphin | so if someone wants access, they just copy your finger print or cut off your finger |
| 10:17.43 | kergoth | yeap |
| 10:18.14 | sorphin | oh wait, you only have access to digi, nothing i'd want there ;) |
| 10:20.22 | CosmicPenguin | the biometric is useless though - if the data is that important, then they wouldn't put it on a portable |
| 10:20.35 | kergoth | myself, i'd use the biometric as the access means to an encryption key, for transmitting data |
| 10:20.46 | kergoth | use it more as a means of proving i'm me, than a means of securing the device |
| 10:20.47 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
| 10:20.58 | sorphin | andersee: bah ;p |
| 10:21.33 | andersee | sorphin: I didn't say it was a good morning... :) |
| 10:22.29 | sorphin | andersee: i was bah'ing cuz you excluded me, and i was the 1st to say anythingin your direction ;p |
| 10:24.11 | sorphin | grr.. i hate this.. i can't find where this damn app is i need again on m ysystem, nor what i was called |
| 10:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: parse the last sentence |
| 10:24.26 | | CosmicPenguin: i don't know |
| 10:24.31 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: exactly |
| 10:24.31 | | CosmicPenguin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:24.32 | sorphin | it allows you to telnet to a port on your host and it handles the serial port |
| 10:25.11 | sorphin | aka, a tcp/ip accessibility thing for serial port access |
| 10:25.46 | CosmicPenguin | kinda like the digi terminal server? |
| 10:26.07 | sorphin | cept it's only a daemon you run, and IT actually works ;) |
| 10:28.50 | CosmicPenguin | is this it? http://freshmeat.net/projects/termpkg/ |
| 10:28.53 | sorphin | grr.. as if i wasn't having a bad enough day |
| 10:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: at my old work, we had a network of about 15 digi terminal servers. They worked like a charm |
| 10:30.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i saw that, but i can't find any trace of a ttyd.. if this thing allows you to do what the other did.. it may work tho.. |
| 10:31.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: want me to write one for you? |
| 10:33.38 | sorphin | nah, thanks for the offer tho.. if nothing else now, i wanna find what it was, just so i can shut my brain up.. ( i hate forgetting things like this) |
| 10:34.40 | file[laptop] | curse you NBTel, why can't you make CDPD affordable? |
| 10:35.15 | sorphin | file[laptop]: i'm cursing BT, cuz once again, the cheap facility the sold the place my primary mail account is at in london, is down again |
| 10:35.46 | file[laptop] | sorphin: that sucks |
| 10:36.09 | file[laptop] | I was without my primary mail account for a few days as well |
| 10:36.19 | sorphin | last time it was a week |
| 10:36.29 | file[laptop] | oh my |
| 11:17.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: think i found it.. twas ser2net it looks like |
| 11:27.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: good... |
| 11:36.29 | file[laptop] | hi Russ |
| 11:37.27 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 11:37.28 | Russ|werk | nice laptop |
| 11:37.39 | Russ|werk | too bad its running doze |
| 11:38.05 | file[laptop] | if I ran BSD or Linux it would be useless to me |
| 11:38.14 | file[laptop] | as my wireless NIC is not supported (PCMCIA version atleast) |
| 11:38.43 | Russ|werk | the support for those has been accelerating |
| 11:40.16 | Russ|werk | whats the card? |
| 11:40.23 | file[laptop] | Acer WarpLink |
| 11:41.26 | file[laptop] | I've got an ISA driver - but not PCMCIA |
| 11:41.49 | Russ|werk | so its an atmel variant? |
| 11:42.38 | file[laptop] | this isn't an 802.11b one |
| 11:42.40 | file[laptop] | it's proprietary |
| 11:42.59 | Russ|werk | so it doesn't even use a standard wireless protocol? |
| 11:43.06 | file[laptop] | affirmative |
| 11:43.20 | kergoth | file[laptop]: get a decent card |
| 11:43.20 | Russ|werk | how'd you get stuck with that? |
| 11:43.24 | kergoth | file[laptop]: they're cheap |
| 11:43.41 | file[laptop] | Russ|werk: I bought it because it was $35 USD |
| 11:43.44 | file[laptop] | for an ISA and PCMCIA card |
| 11:43.46 | Russ|werk | he'd have to replace all of his wireless equiptment |
| 11:43.57 | file[laptop] | kergoth: they're cheap?!?!?! I'm Canadian |
| 11:44.00 | kergoth | i doubt he has any wireless equipment |
| 11:44.12 | file[laptop] | for a wireless router, and 2 cards it would probably be $400 |
| 11:44.53 | Russ|werk | why would you buy a wireless router, peice of crap |
| 11:45.40 | file[laptop] | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.helliwell/warplink/ |
| 11:45.41 | Russ|werk | you just need an AP (or pci card) and a pcmcia card |
| 11:45.41 | file[laptop] | there's the ISA driver |
| 11:45.55 | file[laptop] | Russ|werk: I've got $70 CAD right now which is going towards my new workstation |
| 11:46.18 | file[laptop] | it should be possible to convert that ISA driver to PCMCIA... |
| 11:46.30 | Russ|werk | there is also a usb one |
| 11:47.00 | file[laptop] | of Warplink? yes |
| 11:47.29 | Russ|werk | you can get a 2.4GHz pci and cardbus card combo for about $100 |
| 11:47.40 | Russ|werk | (aopen) |
| 11:47.50 | file[laptop] | my laptop does not suppor cardbus |
| 11:47.57 | Russ|werk | ouch |
| 11:47.58 | file[laptop] | and my gateway machine is ISA only |
| 11:48.07 | Russ|werk | double ouch |
| 11:48.11 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 11:48.14 | kergoth | file[laptop]: upgrade!@$^! |
| 11:48.17 | kergoth | </assertion> |
| 11:48.22 | file[laptop] | kergoth: what the hell do you think I'm building a new machine for? |
| 11:48.36 | file[laptop] | why |
| 11:48.54 | file[laptop] | I wanted to keep droid to act as my gateway machine though |
| 11:49.45 | file[laptop] | I just don't have the knowledge to convert that driver to PCMCIA |
| 11:50.10 | file[laptop] | and the ISA and PCMCIA cards are the same, except the ISA has a chip to convert the PCMCIA signals to ISA signals |
| 11:50.33 | Russ|werk | I need to get wireless stuff for my laptop |
| 11:51.34 | file[laptop] | Russ|werk: how hard is it to convert it to a PCMCIA driver? |
| 11:51.47 | Russ|werk | don't remember |
| 11:51.59 | Russ|werk | basically, you just have to make it talk to pcmcia-cs |
| 11:52.29 | file[laptop] | uh huh |
| 11:52.54 | file[laptop] | I don't even need to be able to swap cards, just... getting it recognized and on the wlan... |
| 11:53.28 | Russ|werk | just look at the ne2000 cs driver and the ne2000 isa driver |
| 11:54.14 | file[laptop] | looks awfully big |
| 11:54.44 | Russ|werk | you just need to look at the module loading/unloading stuff |
| 11:55.14 | file[laptop] | k |
| 11:56.28 | file[laptop] | if I could find the source |
| 11:56.39 | file[laptop] | aha |
| 11:56.52 | file[laptop] | eh... guess not |
| 11:57.34 | file[laptop] | Russ|werk: does pcmcia-cs handle IRQ allocation and stuff? |
| 11:58.16 | sorphin | what is this? op day? :P |
| 11:58.36 | Russ|werk | oops |
| 11:58.37 | Russ|werk | hmm |
| 11:58.47 | Russ|werk | I think my macros are screwy |
| 11:59.17 | Russ|werk | afaik, it does all that |
| 11:59.42 | Russ|werk | maybe it was just because I id'd |
| 11:59.56 | sorphin | yeah, might be |
| 12:00.03 | sorphin | and the channel has autoop set.. |
| 12:00.08 | sorphin | possibly |
| 12:02.56 | file[laptop] | bah |
| 12:03.53 | file[laptop] | must find ISA ne2000 driver! |
| 12:04.26 | file[laptop] | mmm yes... |
| 12:04.33 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:04.36 | sorphin | file |
| 12:04.47 | sorphin | what os? |
| 12:04.52 | sorphin | linux? it's i nthe kernel ;p |
| 12:05.07 | file[laptop] | ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/ne2k-pci.c |
| 12:05.08 | file[laptop] | there it is |
| 12:05.14 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:05.16 | sorphin | that's PCI |
| 12:05.18 | sorphin | file |
| 12:05.27 | file[laptop] | it supports ISA too |
| 12:05.34 | sorphin | it's also in the bloody kernel ;p |
| 12:05.42 | file[laptop] | sorphin: I'm not going to download an entire kernel |
| 12:05.46 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:05.54 | sorphin | you don't already have it around? :P |
| 12:06.03 | file[laptop] | no, duh! |
| 12:06.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:06.11 | file[laptop] | why would I have a kernel around if I don't use Linux? |
| 12:06.32 | sorphin | why would you need that driver you downloaded if you don't use linux? :P |
| 12:07.05 | file[laptop] | sorphin: because I'm going to try to convert it to PCMCIA so I can use Linux :p |
| 12:07.09 | file[laptop] | read up further |
| 12:07.30 | sorphin | umm.. there should already BE ne2k pcmcia drivers ;p |
| 12:07.51 | sorphin | duh :P |
| 12:07.53 | file[laptop] | sorphin: Russ suggested I look at the ISA and PCMCIA drivers so I can see the differences, so I can convert this WarpLink ISA driver to PCMCIA |
| 12:08.00 | file[laptop] | like I said - read up further! |
| 12:08.25 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:08.31 | sorphin | since when is warplink ne2k ? |
| 12:08.47 | file[laptop] | honestly... |
| 12:09.00 | file[laptop] | the module loading/unloading stuff |
| 12:09.26 | sorphin | gah, like that's hard :P |
| 12:09.51 | sorphin | besides, i'm at work, so i don't watch every little thing said :P |
| 12:15.12 | file[laptop] | mmm... |
| 12:15.59 | file[laptop] | this looks a bit easy |
| 12:26.21 | file[laptop] | if I go function by function I should be alright |
| 13:00.13 | sorphin | hmm |
| 13:01.16 | sorphin | anyone know why they hell i'd get ./ser2net: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GCC_3.0' not found (required by ./ser2net) when i have the same libc installd on 2 diff machines? (is it wanting libgcc there or something) |
| 13:05.43 | sorphin | kergoth: yo digi, you ever had that prob? |
| 13:06.00 | kergoth | nope, doesnt ring a bell |
| 13:07.16 | sorphin | i should be able to move a binary w/o problems like this (and w/o having to compile static :P ) |
| 13:18.06 | sorphin | Morn: re |
| 13:18.19 | Morn | re's |
| 13:18.52 | sorphin | sup? |
| 13:20.22 | Morn | just got back from the movies |
| 13:20.30 | sorphin | what'd you see? |
| 13:21.00 | Morn | 8 Mile |
| 13:24.52 | sorphin | how was it? |
| 13:25.03 | Morn | ok, not great, but not bad |
| 13:25.25 | Morn | like I was just saying in the #java channel I may have liked it more if he wasn't such a homophobic young man |
| 13:27.19 | sorphin | nod |
| 13:30.48 | file[laptop] | sourceforge is acting might crankey for me today |
| 13:31.23 | file[laptop] | er mighty |
| 13:33.37 | Morn | I thought it was normally that way |
| 13:37.13 | sorphin | it is |
| 13:37.20 | sorphin | that's why for downloads they have to use mirrors now ;p |
| 13:39.51 | sorphin | Morn: when in BB the other day, i noticed the 800000000 DVD+R/RW drives out now (prolly all the same damn drive, just rebranded/packaged) |
| 13:40.36 | Morn | so far this Sony drive seems to be serving me well |
| 13:41.18 | Morn | a friend thinks she has located some cheap DVD-R media for the Sony (100 pieces for $83) |
| 13:41.50 | sorphin | $1.20/each |
| 13:41.59 | sorphin | thought you didn't want the el cheapo? |
| 13:53.12 | Russ|werk | nasa plans moon hoax debunking book: "it must really be a hoax, and this is proof" |
| 13:53.33 | Russ|werk | nasa cancels moon hoax debunking book: "further evidence that it was all a hoax" |
| 13:54.30 | sorphin | um... ok |
| 13:56.09 | levi | "further evidence that moon hoax people are nutcases" |
| 13:56.36 | sorphin | levi: they prolly think hte ISS is a hoax too |
| 13:57.21 | levi | No doubt. |
| 13:57.40 | sorphin | tho i do think it looks stupid |
| 14:09.18 | levi | What, ISS? |
| 14:09.48 | sorphin | yup |
| 14:10.29 | levi | Aesthetics probably weren't high on their design priorities. |
| 14:10.38 | sorphin | well |
| 14:10.56 | sorphin | being circular (like say, DS9) would give more room, make more sense |
| 14:11.04 | sorphin | like a wheel |
| 14:11.26 | levi | But harder to get up there. |
| 14:12.07 | sorphin | you build it up there :P |
| 14:12.52 | levi | It's hard to build things in space. |
| 14:13.25 | levi | As it is, they can fly pre-built components up and plug them in together. It'd be harder if they were all curved. |
| 14:14.51 | sorphin | bah |
| 14:58.06 | sorphin | lo tim |
| 14:59.11 | Russ|werk | oi |
| 14:59.27 | Russ|werk | there is one of those really weird guys behind me |
| 14:59.48 | sorphin | eh? |
| 14:59.57 | Russ|werk | "put magnets on the gas lines in your car and it will change the molecular structure of the gas and improve your milige by 20%" |
| 15:00.28 | Russ|werk | "you don't really own your car, the state does, thats why you have to buy insurance, get a license plate, pay insurance, etc" |
| 15:00.51 | kergoth | eh |
| 15:00.59 | kergoth | somebody needs to kick his ass on general principle |
| 15:01.12 | Russ|werk | "there is a loophole in the law where you can just make your morgage go away |
| 15:01.23 | andersee | hehe |
| 15:01.28 | Russ|werk | because banks don't really loan you the money, when you sign, the money apears out of no where" |
| 15:01.37 | andersee | Russ|werk: I'd like to find that loophole... :) |
| 15:02.16 | Russ|werk | andersee: its not like a morgage is unfair, or forced on people |
| 15:03.12 | Russ|werk | but he talks like the banks are a conspiracy and total scam |
| 15:04.08 | andersee | I'm sure he also believes in the 1000 mpg carburator that is being suppressed by the gas/auto industry |
| 15:04.23 | andersee | I hear cattle mutilations are up |
| 15:04.30 | kergoth | dont forget the moon landing hoax |
| 15:04.50 | sorphin | and the earthquake |
| 15:04.52 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:04.53 | Russ|werk | the magnets cause the gasoline to go from having negative ions, to positive ions |
| 15:05.06 | Russ|werk | there is actually someone behing me saying this |
| 15:05.44 | andersee | Bwahaha. You should record him on video. $10,000 from Amaricas Funniest Videos... |
| 15:06.03 | Russ|werk | I don't think the general audience would get it |
| 15:07.35 | Russ|werk | the really sad thing is, these are the people my boss is bringing in to market stuff |
| 15:07.39 | Russ|werk | I think its time to leave |
| 15:08.08 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:08.11 | sorphin | sounds like it |
| 15:09.12 | sorphin | andersee: "my name is erik andersen, my voice is my passport, verify me" |
| 15:09.21 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:09.46 | andersee | "No more secrets" |
| 15:11.14 | sorphin | "Too Many Secrets" |
| 15:17.52 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.fuelmiser.com/faqs.htm |
| 15:18.00 | BZFlag | hey, that's "Setec Astronomy" to you. |
| 15:19.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: don't forget the "gas saving tornado" ;) |
| 15:19.15 | sorphin | BZFlag: get a chance to find out about the frames yet? |
| 15:19.46 | BZFlag | nope, thanx for reminding me... |
| 15:19.51 | sorphin | :) |
| 15:20.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, 10-20% ain't shit |
| 15:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | http://iresist.com/cbg/Property.html |
| 15:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | I won't even dare look for web sites about the moon hoax... :) |
| 15:21.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, they guy does kinda have a point |
| 15:22.16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: wasn't that the premise of the "Capricorn 1" movie? |
| 15:22.43 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yep.... |
| 15:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | I used to work with a guy who's wife was Philippino |
| 15:25.08 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: and? |
| 15:25.11 | CosmicPenguin | He said that every time he was discouraged about paying taxes, he just thought about the alternative (the Phillippines don't charge taxes) |
| 15:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: on your mission? |
| 15:26.08 | sorphin | his mission to spread busybox to the world? |
| 15:26.39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 15:26.58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: terribly hot, terribly poor |
| 15:27.14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: and the rich don't bother about tedious things like laws |
| 15:27.38 | andersee | But then, for the most part, neither do the poor... |
| 15:27.40 | andersee | :) |
| 15:28.26 | sorphin | ya know what i've noticed? ppl from the philipines or elsewhere over there |
| 15:28.31 | sorphin | end up being the best doctors |
| 15:28.41 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, my old co-worker thought that taxes were better than the alternative |
| 15:29.20 | andersee | sorphin: Yup. A lot of smart people. Though most of the smart people have a tendancy to get good educations and leave the first change they get |
| 15:29.36 | sorphin | a friend of mine from way back |
| 15:29.41 | sorphin | his family is from there |
| 15:29.47 | sorphin | heh, both parents are surgeons |
| 15:29.52 | sorphin | damn good ones too |
| 15:37.30 | Tangent | Eveining all |
| 15:37.36 | Tangent | BZFlag: Hi.. just got your message |
| 15:37.46 | Tangent | BZFlag: Nod.. I noticed ibot changed over a couple of days ago |
| 15:38.12 | Tangent | BZFlag: ... when I noticed that he no longer knows multiple answers to things |
| 15:38.17 | Tangent | ibot drink a beer |
| 15:38.17 | | ACTION staggers around drunk and then pukes all over tangent. |
| 15:38.27 | Tangent | BZFlag: Tho' apparently that's fixed now |
| 15:38.31 | sorphin | ) |
| 15:38.33 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:38.36 | kergoth | Tangent: yeah he does. its || not | |
| 15:40.34 | Tangent | kergoth: Fair enough :) |
| 15:41.01 | kergoth | Tangent: i pestered tim to zip through the db replacing | with || .. but he hasnt yet :) |
| 15:43.34 | Tangent | ibot seen tangent |
| 15:43.34 | | tangent is currently on #intimate (6m 12s) #tuxscreen (6m 12s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 15:44.07 | Tangent | erm.. not that I really understand that, but fair enough... at least seen is working :) |
| 15:47.14 | CosmicPenguin | Now ibot knows all your secrets |
| 15:47.30 | CosmicPenguin | so if you are hanging out in #xprules, he's gonna know about it...:) |
| 15:50.47 | sorphin | nope |
| 15:51.01 | sorphin | if i'm in a "hidden" channel, he won't know ;) |
| 15:53.16 | BZFlag | Tangent: the multiple answers changed from | to || I finally updated the database yesterday or something. |
| 15:53.23 | BZFlag | ibot dos format |
| 15:53.23 | | rumour has it, dos format is External FORMAT d:[/1][/4][/8][/F:size] [/N:sectors] [/T:tracks][/B|/S][/C][/V:label] [/Q][/U][/V] Formats a disk to accept DOS files. |
| 15:53.44 | BZFlag | so entries with | in them are ok.. hmm. that one does not. |
| 15:54.41 | BZFlag | ibot dos time |
| 15:54.41 | | extra, extra, read all about it, dos time is (Internal) TIME hh:mm[:ss][.cc][A|P] Displays current time setting of system clock and provides a way for you to reset the time. |
| 15:54.46 | BZFlag | ibot test |
| 15:54.46 | | Test failed! |
| 15:54.55 | BZFlag | ibot test |
| 15:54.55 | | Test failed! |
| 15:55.02 | BZFlag | ibot test |
| 15:55.02 | | Test successful! |
| 15:55.14 | BZFlag | so theres one that has || in it. |
| 15:55.45 | BZFlag | so kergoth can stop bugging me now. ;-) |
| 15:58.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:58.33 | kergoth | yay |
| 15:58.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:01.26 | file[laptop] | strange assembler messages |
| 16:01.54 | file[laptop] | {standard input}:2393: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.subsection' |
| 16:04.48 | Russ|werk | ibot: unix cpio |
| 16:04.48 | | Russ|werk: i don't know |
| 16:04.54 | BZFlag | heh |
| 16:05.03 | Russ|werk | ibot: botsmack |
| 16:05.04 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 16:09.40 | file[laptop] | Russ|werk: what does that mean... what I posted |
| 16:25.20 | Tangent | BZFlag: Cool.. good work on bloothbot |
| 16:25.20 | Tangent | :D |
| 16:25.20 | Tangent | BZFlag: My co-loc is currently between hosting centres |
| 16:26.17 | Russ|werk | sounds like you have old tools or something |
| 16:45.06 | BZFlag | Tangent: there is a SF project for blootbot and a number of live bots running this codebase. I'm now a project admin and we've been hacking on it recently. |
| 16:45.35 | BZFlag | you can run the bot stand alone interactive. makes it great for testing. |
| 16:45.52 | BZFlag | still work to be done, but it's better than the old infobot. |
| 16:46.40 | BZFlag | he forks now to handle modules that take time/memory. |
| 16:46.49 | BZFlag | and you can reload him to get updates. |
| 16:47.38 | BZFlag | ibot reload |
| 16:47.38 | | reloading... |
| 16:47.39 | | reloaded. |
| 16:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: you da man! |
| 16:56.13 | | CosmicPenguin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:56.18 | CosmicPenguin | no time, gotta go |
| 17:33.41 | sorphin | Russ|werk: that's a bad sign ;) |
| 17:57.27 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 17:57.31 | sorphin | lo git |
| 17:58.15 | as_ | Tell me, has your opinion of me dropped in the past month or two, or were you always this highly regarded of me? |
| 18:00.40 | as_ | I'll take that as a no ;] |
| 18:00.54 | as_ | Git will be fine, thankyou. |
| 18:01.33 | sorphin | file[laptop]: oh, you mean that whole $25 CDN you get? ;) |
| 18:01.43 | sorphin | as_: ;) |
| 18:01.45 | file[laptop] | sorphin: huh? |
| 18:01.49 | file[laptop] | sorphin: $400 USD |
| 18:01.59 | file[laptop] | that's the base price on it, probably more |
| 18:03.08 | as_ | I hope you dont mind me asking this, but is the program actually worth $400? |
| 18:03.15 | sorphin | as_: probably not |
| 18:03.20 | sorphin | no program is ;p |
| 18:03.35 | file[laptop] | as_: it's a demo program, to demonstrate the features of something |
| 18:03.36 | sorphin | as_: would you say windows is worth what they charge? :P |
| 18:03.42 | as_ | I remeber when programs came on tape and never cost more than £10 each. |
| 18:03.58 | file[laptop] | used to introduce a potential buyer/user to the network/interface |
| 18:04.18 | as_ | Ahh, if its intended for middle managers to show off to one another then I heartily agree with the price. |
| 18:05.13 | as_ | sorphin, actually, Id never pay *anything* for windows. |
| 18:05.45 | as_ | Not so much as a peanut left behind the sofa for 12 months. |
| 18:05.58 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:06.44 | as_ | Though I do contribute to its success just by using it, something I need to recitify. |
| 18:07.09 | as_ | file, cool. |
| 18:07.37 | file[laptop] | as_: quite |
| 18:07.49 | as_ | Will you get royalties from that? |
| 18:08.00 | file[laptop] | haven't discussed it yet |
| 18:08.05 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 18:08.09 | file[laptop] | but chances are I'll be in on all projects :) |
| 18:08.35 | file[laptop] | whether it be for a small part, or large part... who knows |
| 18:08.44 | as_ | Are you being paid by the hour to write the code? |
| 18:08.50 | file[laptop] | as_: nope - per project |
| 18:08.58 | file[laptop] | this one has taken me about 6-7 hours... |
| 18:08.59 | as_ | Thats good then. |
| 18:09.22 | as_ | Here your paid by the hour usually, and any code you write is therefore not your property. |
| 18:09.35 | file[laptop] | ic |
| 18:09.50 | as_ | Same thing goes for inventions. |
| 18:09.54 | file[laptop] | I can't wait till everything goes live :) |
| 18:10.00 | file[laptop] | party!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:10.18 | as_ | You invent anything while working at a place, and they own the invention. Even if its done in your spare time. |
| 18:10.35 | file[laptop] | oh my |
| 18:10.41 | as_ | They can get quite nasty like that. |
| 18:10.50 | file[laptop] | I bet |
| 18:11.02 | sorphin | file[laptop]: you're too young to *really* party ;p |
| 18:11.24 | file[laptop] | sorphin: Yeah well... |
| 18:11.42 | file[laptop] | sorphin: I'd drink all the caffeine drinks I could and charge it to my boss |
| 18:12.22 | file[laptop] | hey mallum |
| 18:12.25 | file[laptop] | mallum: any TCSX-1 yet? |
| 18:12.42 | as_ | 2 graduates I know worked on a project to write a video on demand server, with some borroed kit from sony, postgrad university project, so they wernt paid. They demonstrated it, and next thing they knew sony demanded all the source code to the project so they could sell it. Now work that one out, because that doesnt make sense to me. |
| 18:12.53 | mallum | file[laptop]: nope |
| 18:12.57 | file[laptop] | mallum: same here |
| 18:13.06 | file[laptop] | as_: wth?!?!? |
| 18:13.42 | as_ | I *think* there was a preexisting agreement with the university they hadnt been told about. |
| 18:13.49 | file[laptop] | as_: ahhhh |
| 18:14.16 | mallum | as_: welcome tot he real world |
| 18:14.18 | mallum | MUAHAHAHA |
| 18:14.20 | mallum | ;-) |
| 18:14.27 | as_ | If they didnt hand over the code the university would not give them the qualification. So even though they hadnt signed, or been told anything they had no choice. |
| 18:14.49 | as_ | mallum, I'm not in the real world yet, I think I'll stay out of it as long as possible. |
| 18:14.59 | mallum | as_: good idea |
| 18:15.17 | sorphin | well, i'm in the real world |
| 18:15.30 | sorphin | and what stuff i've written for wcom, esp for my latency checking stuff |
| 18:15.35 | sorphin | most was written on my own time |
| 18:15.43 | sorphin | and i can do what i want w/ it |
| 18:15.54 | as_ | Then you are lucky. |
| 18:16.00 | mallum | as_: sony is probably funding the university |
| 18:16.19 | as_ | They donated some hardware for use with the project I think. |
| 18:16.44 | as_ | I dont remeber what it was though. |
| 18:17.37 | as_ | I think it was something specifically for video on demand. |
| 18:18.09 | file[laptop] | arg matey I don't feel good |
| 18:18.57 | mallum | sony are pretty messed up company - fingers in too many pies |
| 18:19.22 | sorphin | yup |
| 18:21.00 | as_ | Sony are our best chance of killing off the x-box. |
| 18:22.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:22.43 | sorphin | i like my xbox, i just ignore who made it ;) |
| 18:22.46 | mallum | I think m$ are doing a pretty good job of that themselves |
| 18:22.49 | mallum | dreamcast II |
| 18:22.59 | sorphin | mallum: that'll never happen |
| 18:23.04 | as_ | Dreamcast II?!? |
| 18:23.15 | sorphin | sega gave up, hence why the dreamcast is hard to get stuff for now |
| 18:23.17 | mallum | as_: the xbox |
| 18:23.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:23.34 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 18:23.37 | sorphin | i really like/liked my dreamcast |
| 18:23.37 | mallum | the xbox is gonna go the same way |
| 18:23.38 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:23.42 | mallum | sorphin: yeah me too |
| 18:24.19 | as_ | I hope so. |
| 18:24.19 | sorphin | i was one of the people that PreBought it |
| 18:24.19 | sorphin | and same w/ the broadband adapter |
| 18:24.29 | mallum | sorphin: ooh, Id like to have the broadband adaptor |
| 18:24.30 | as_ | Though Ive been told its not done badly enough to discorrage an xbox II. |
| 18:25.02 | mallum | when the playstation (I) came out, it was like nothing else |
| 18:25.11 | mallum | I dont think that will happen again |
| 18:25.36 | mallum | theres not really much in it between the gamecube / xbox/ psII |
| 18:26.28 | as_ | Be nice if someone wrote a virus for the xbox. |
| 18:29.14 | as_ | MAke the damn things do full seeks until they fall apart. |
| 18:29.35 | jacques | i hear they fall apart by themselves |
| 18:29.48 | as_ | Not fast enough. |
| 18:29.53 | jacques | lots of dvd drive and thermal problems |
| 18:30.21 | sorphin | mallum: well, hit ebay, you can't have mine ;) |
| 18:30.23 | as_ | Need something to make the owners want them buried along side nuclear waste for twenty thousand years. |
| 18:30.32 | jacques | heh |
| 18:31.05 | as_ | And everything touching them dipped in holy water. |
| 18:43.48 | cpenguin_home | Goggle News: Alcohol rapidly confuses the brain |
| 18:43.54 | cpenguin_home | Woo-hoo!!! |
| 18:44.21 | as_ | I'm sorry, what does what to the what? |
| 18:44.53 | cpenguin_home | According to an article from Google News, alcohol affects thinking more quickly than previously believed |
| 18:45.31 | as_ | Ive heard it also confuses the brain a lot. |
| 18:46.08 | cpenguin_home | I stand by my woo-hoo. |
| 18:46.27 | as_ | I'm sure shes very nice in person. |
| 18:46.39 | sorphin | she must be |
| 18:46.41 | sorphin | he's marrying her |
| 18:47.45 | cpenguin_home | Wow, I'm sober and I'm confused |
| 18:48.15 | as_ | Maybe the alcohol is affecting your brain and you only think your drunk. |
| 18:49.41 | as_ | Do woo-hoos normally marry penguins? |
| 18:50.34 | LIM | depends on how thick their glasses are |
| 18:50.54 | as_ | The woo-hoos or the penguins? |
| 18:51.06 | LIM | both |
| 18:52.12 | as_ | They probably meet at the opticions then. |
| 18:53.36 | as_ | Hmm, for some reason my military sureality detector is ticking. |
| 18:54.30 | as_ | Which would be fine if I actually had one, but since I dont, its rather worrying. |
| 18:56.13 | as_ | Outch. |
| 18:57.39 | sorphin | maybe at some point i'll actually dig my tux's back up |
| 18:58.01 | as_ | Mine are still waiting for me to finish this project. |
| 18:58.27 | as_ | If I ever finish this project. |
| 18:58.27 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:07.00 | as_ | Russ, if your awake, do you happen to know of any free programs that work with bsdl files? |
| 22:04.25 | sorphin | /clear |
| 22:04.28 | sorphin | grr |
| 22:11.22 | CaCtus491 | hey guys |