| 07:14.33 | sorphin | prpplague: you've been filed. |
| 07:22.02 | prpplague | sorphin: thats sounds disgusting |
| 07:22.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 07:48.32 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 07:58.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats cooking today? |
| 07:58.28 | prpplague | andersee: lo |
| 07:58.41 | andersee | morning prpplague |
| 07:59.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ssdd |
| 07:59.09 | prpplague | <brownnose> man the uclibc stuff is looking nice </brownnose> |
| 07:59.46 | prpplague | ibot: seend BZflag |
| 07:59.46 | | no idea, prpplague |
| 07:59.52 | prpplague | ibot: seen BZflag |
| 07:59.52 | | bzflag <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 26m 30s ago, saying: 'I have one around here someplace.'. |
| 08:01.54 | andersee | prpplague: :-) |
| 08:17.01 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: did you say you were moving the uclibc config to the new qconfig? |
| 08:17.48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: qconfig? nope. |
| 08:18.40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I am already using the new lkc system as now used in 2.5.x http://www.xs4all.nl/~zippel/lc/ (though I converted first ;-) |
| 08:18.53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I ripped out the Qt stuff though |
| 08:20.16 | kergoth | morning |
| 08:20.45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ahhh.... |
| 08:20.51 | sorphin | prpplague: file still hasn't gotten his stuff, and he wanted to trace it, but he can't, only you can (the sender) |
| 08:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: good, I thought I misunderstood you... I am very against graphical configuration tools... :) |
| 08:21.34 | sorphin | andersee: i'll stick w/ menuconfig if i can :P |
| 08:21.46 | sorphin | and if not, i'll hand edit .config :P |
| 08:22.10 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 08:23.12 | andersee | sorphin: menuconfig works as expected |
| 08:23.26 | sorphin | good |
| 08:24.15 | kergoth | sorphin: this one allows some very elegant solutions to what prevoiusly required ugly nested if-else's :) |
| 08:24.26 | sorphin | kergoth: like ? |
| 08:24.55 | kergoth | sorphin: for good examples, take a look at the 2.5.45 lkc patch |
| 08:24.58 | kergoth | compare |
| 08:25.04 | andersee | sorphin: I like the fact the new CML syntax is lex/yacc based, so when I make a syntax mistake it will tell me. |
| 08:26.39 | kergoth | thats nice as well. plus it makes it easy to write perl/python/whathaveyou bindings to interface with the config system. it already supports ruby.. |
| 08:27.33 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I like that part too |
| 08:28.05 | andersee | Yup. Its nice the syntax handling is all in a shared lib -- no more front-end behavior divergence |
| 08:28.30 | kergoth | exactly |
| 08:35.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:38.13 | CosmicPenguin | Sadly, I think the config system is now larger than the kernel, though..... :) (j/k) |
| 08:57.16 | sorphin | no surprise there |
| 08:59.22 | sorphin | sjhill: lo |
| 08:59.36 | sjhill | hi sorphin |
| 09:00.02 | sorphin | after seeing the election results, it just reinforces my opinion that people are stupid |
| 09:00.13 | sorphin | not only is all the political results shite |
| 09:00.17 | sjhill | sorphin: u democrat eh? |
| 09:00.21 | sorphin | an important issue |
| 09:00.25 | sorphin | was lost |
| 09:00.39 | sorphin | collective bargaing for firefighters (w/ no striking) |
| 09:00.50 | sorphin | so many people voted against it because they don't understand what that means |
| 09:01.23 | sorphin | sjhill: bush got everything handed to him on a silver platter dude, that's what i don't like |
| 09:02.23 | sjhill | ah |
| 09:03.30 | sorphin | he's now got congress and the senate in his pocket, and count on the "war w/ iraq" to happen (even tho it's stupid) |
| 09:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | Our 2nd district congressional seat still isn't determined this morning - probably headed for a recount |
| 09:13.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: sure you don't live in florida? ;) |
| 09:15.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats the wierd thing - I live in Utah - there are almost *never* close races like that here |
| 09:15.30 | sorphin | well, seems this time there is.. |
| 09:15.30 | sorphin | http://www.semissourian.com/ <--- there's all the missouri stuff |
| 09:15.51 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, they even redrew the districts so that the democrats wouldn't have a snowballs chance of getting elected.... |
| 09:16.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 09:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | bah - its not enough to worry about |
| 14:04.20 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 14:08.02 | BZFlag | heya |
| 15:23.10 | andersee | BZFlag: howdy |
| 15:23.26 | andersee | BZFlag: Hows it going? The IP transition working nicely? |
| 15:23.39 | andersee | BZFlag: Did you get a 4 block or an 8 block? |
| 15:28.58 | BZFlag | 4 block. I confirmed that I can use 3 addresses including the router but xmission fw rules do not forward what they see as being a broadcast address so the fourth is not available. |
| 15:29.18 | sorphin | BZFlag: kinda like me |
| 15:29.37 | BZFlag | sorphin: ? |
| 15:30.33 | MonMotha | first address is always network, last address is always broadcast |
| 15:30.39 | sorphin | MonMotha: we know |
| 15:30.43 | MonMotha | just saying :) |
| 15:30.56 | sorphin | only thing that ticks me is that ip that the redback steals |
| 15:31.03 | sorphin | 64.218.79.46 |
| 15:31.04 | Russ|werk | they don't forward broadcast and network? thats pretty presumptious |
| 15:31.19 | sorphin | but then, that's what i get for not needing things like pppoe ;) |
| 15:31.30 | Russ|werk | sorphin: pppoe is really easy |
| 15:31.36 | sorphin | but annoying |
| 15:31.41 | Russ|werk | no it isn't |
| 15:31.51 | sorphin | they route the whole /29 down my connection |
| 15:32.02 | sorphin | hence the stealing that 1 ip |
| 15:32.19 | sorphin | i can get all the way up to a class C |
| 15:32.27 | sorphin | i just gotta pay a lil bit more one time |
| 15:32.27 | MonMotha | sorphin: on DSL? |
| 15:32.30 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:32.34 | MonMotha | wow... |
| 15:32.37 | MonMotha | that's impressive |
| 15:32.45 | Russ|werk | 2 or 3 addresses is generally plenty |
| 15:32.48 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: not as impressive as you think, though..... |
| 15:32.51 | MonMotha | most ISPs don't offer "real routing" |
| 15:32.55 | sorphin | Russ|werk: unless you have a network like me |
| 15:33.02 | MonMotha | not DSL/Cable anyway (obviously real ISPs do :) |
| 15:33.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin is in the "biz" |
| 15:33.25 | sorphin | sorphin has to much network shit on this link ;p |
| 15:33.34 | sorphin | www.captainrock.com/network/ :P |
| 15:34.29 | sorphin | i do wish i had SDSL tho |
| 15:34.41 | sorphin | only 160k up, 1536k dwn |
| 15:34.47 | sorphin | and even if i went to 6 meg down |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | still only 384 up |
| 15:35.01 | MonMotha | damn that's really heavily tilted |
| 15:35.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sorry that you have to use a Catalyst though.... it must really suck to switch all your packets using software... :P |
| 15:35.07 | Russ|werk | if I had DSL, I would get an actualy ATM card |
| 15:35.26 | Russ|werk | that way, you can control the connection a lot more, and even do some downstream QoS |
| 15:35.26 | sorphin | Russ|werk: if i had SDSL, i would |
| 15:35.44 | sorphin | i'd really have a T1 equiv |
| 15:35.51 | sorphin | so it'd be worth it, considering what little i pay |
| 15:36.03 | Russ|werk | don't know if you could do any QoS when the link is doing pppoa though |
| 15:36.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: my catalyst does just fine |
| 15:36.35 | sorphin | does way better than the 3com SS II i used to use |
| 15:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | well, sure... |
| 15:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | different class |
| 15:37.02 | sorphin | plus it has 2 fiber ports that can goes 1.2 miles :P anyone wanna patch in? :P |
| 15:37.18 | MonMotha | my 3com SS II does pretty darn well for being close to free |
| 15:37.26 | sorphin | the *only* problem i have |
| 15:37.43 | MonMotha | sorphin: what media type on the fiber ports? :) |
| 15:37.45 | sorphin | is the only 2 routers i have (outside of the 2500's) are a 1605 and a 1601 |
| 15:38.03 | sorphin | the 1605 is dual ether |
| 15:38.19 | sorphin | but since it's dual ether, it's seperate segments, and there's not IP unnumbered |
| 15:38.35 | sorphin | it can't do vlans either :P so it's not my incoming gateway :/ |
| 15:38.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: 100baseFX |
| 15:38.46 | MonMotha | sorphin: hum, don't have one of those |
| 15:38.53 | MonMotha | media converter that is |
| 15:38.56 | sorphin | multimode fiber |
| 15:39.08 | MonMotha | I have ONE 10BaseFL->10BaseT media converter |
| 15:39.15 | MonMotha | doesn't do me much good without it's mate :) |
| 15:39.20 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:39.26 | sorphin | i'm not using the fiber ports |
| 15:39.43 | sorphin | what realy sucks, is prices |
| 15:39.47 | sorphin | to afford a 1721 |
| 15:39.50 | sorphin | which would do what i need |
| 15:40.00 | CosmicPenguin | vlans? |
| 15:40.05 | sorphin | i'll have to sell both 16xx's and a few of the 25xx's |
| 15:40.16 | MonMotha | it does everything I need it to do, while not optimally, but more than well enough to handle my 2mbit line |
| 15:40.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i.e. to put both ethers "together" |
| 15:40.47 | sorphin | i can't ip unnumber, i can't figure how to fscking bridge them |
| 15:40.57 | sorphin | and i don't have spare IPs one for E0 and one for E1 |
| 15:41.10 | MonMotha | so use a site local or link local IP |
| 15:41.17 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, my wireless is HomeRF |
| 15:41.21 | sorphin | works fine w/ my dsl ;) |
| 15:41.41 | sorphin | tho it's onlly for mom's machine upstairs (since i'm not running all that cable) and the laptop |
| 15:41.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I know what vlans, are, I was wondering if thats what the 1721 provided |
| 15:42.06 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:42.12 | sorphin | and 10/100 |
| 15:42.16 | sorphin | which the 16xx's don't |
| 15:42.22 | sorphin | plus another wic slot |
| 15:42.31 | sorphin | including dsl wics i think |
| 15:42.36 | sorphin | which would work for me |
| 15:43.13 | sorphin | the dsl "routers" i have all suck cuz i refuse to do NAT |
| 15:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.enterasys.com/products/items/2H258-17R/ |
| 15:43.34 | sorphin | MonMotha: btw, it wouldn't matter if i used a unix box or a cisco, i'd still have the same problem |
| 15:43.41 | MonMotha | what's with that anyway? why should a "router" requrie NAT? |
| 15:43.47 | MonMotha | sorphin: what's the problem again? |
| 15:43.49 | MonMotha | :) |
| 15:43.54 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:44.13 | sorphin | DSL Modem <-------- [some firewall/gw] ------> network |
| 15:44.21 | sorphin | ether on both sides |
| 15:44.38 | sorphin | no nat allowed cuz live IPs are in use |
| 15:44.45 | MonMotha | linux can firewall on a bridge you know, which can run unnumbered or with one IP for all ports |
| 15:45.12 | Russ|werk | iproute2 and netfilter rule |
| 15:45.31 | sorphin | maybe i'll build my own Pix :P |
| 15:45.34 | Russ|werk | I don't know why you'd ever want to touch cisco hardware when you are dealing with < 10Mbit |
| 15:45.48 | Russ|werk | (or cisco software) |
| 15:45.49 | sorphin | umm |
| 15:45.58 | sorphin | because it's what i work with/what i know? |
| 15:46.17 | MonMotha | heh |
| 15:46.18 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: mabye you need to your 12Gb of packets |
| 15:46.28 | Russ|werk | er, s/your/route/ |
| 15:46.43 | MonMotha | it's nice and all, but it's not really awe inspiring :) |
| 15:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: The Enterasys routers can hang with them (or at least they could a few years ago) |
| 15:46.49 | sorphin | but there's a lot worse ;p |
| 15:47.06 | sorphin | the name linksys (rebrander) comes to mind |
| 15:47.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you hate everything, jordan |
| 15:47.42 | Russ|werk | you should look into what iproute2 and netfilter can do together (along with the patches available to extend netfilter to do very strange things) |
| 15:47.53 | CosmicPenguin | Not everything, just Cisco and Qtopia... is that too much hatred? |
| 15:48.11 | sorphin | maybe i can use my WebSurfer Pro for tha t:P |
| 15:48.16 | sorphin | it's small enough |
| 15:48.36 | sorphin | as long as iproute2 can do ciscoish enough commands, i'll be happy ;p |
| 15:48.49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: you'll need to toss in the VLAN support in the kernel, just for giggles, too... :) |
| 15:48.55 | Russ|werk | you'll have to relearn, sorry |
| 15:48.58 | sorphin | that's what i hated about junOS |
| 15:49.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:49.02 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I haven't found a use for vlan yet |
| 15:49.04 | sorphin | i'll pass then |
| 15:49.08 | MonMotha | iprotue2 is fairly ciscoish |
| 15:49.18 | MonMotha | and hey, can cisco firewalls match packets randomly? :) |
| 15:49.32 | sorphin | anyhow, i'm out.. off to chiropractor |
| 15:49.46 | Russ|werk | sorphin: oh, you like pain, thats the deal |
| 15:50.25 | CosmicPenguin | I'll crack your back for free |
| 16:58.04 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 17:23.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, you'd break it |
| 17:23.39 | file | sorphin: got the case for my new box |
| 17:23.45 | sorphin | file: cool |
| 17:23.52 | file | sorphin: it's a full ATX tower, 63cm tall |
| 17:25.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:26.20 | file | I could put 5 CD-Roms in it... |
| 17:26.25 | file | but I'm not going to |
| 17:27.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:27.23 | sorphin | easy there |
| 17:27.39 | legodude | my nth Irix install... |
| 17:28.01 | sorphin | legodude: give it up ;) |
| 17:28.08 | sorphin | i got mine installed despite that package |
| 17:28.35 | legodude | I don't know how |
| 17:28.43 | legodude | for me the package that is corrupt is the most important one |
| 17:28.47 | file | how can I figure out who made this case? |
| 17:28.48 | legodude | I got a new apps iso |
| 17:28.59 | sorphin | legodude: for me the one that's corrupt is the one you said |
| 17:29.05 | sorphin | that x11whatever one |
| 17:29.10 | legodude | how did you get without that? |
| 17:29.34 | sorphin | legodude: .17 i think ;) |
| 17:30.13 | sorphin | i think i just replaced the package |