| 03:26.37 | fontenot | hi TomW |
| 03:26.51 | TomW | hey jacques |
| 03:26.53 | fontenot | lol, RH8 wants a 75MB /boot partition |
| 03:27.01 | fontenot | why I dunno |
| 03:27.12 | fontenot | im testing a new machine I just built |
| 03:27.16 | TomW | yup, I see that mandrake was pushing 70M. |
| 03:27.23 | fontenot | installing rh for the first time |
| 03:28.16 | TomW | nope, I was wrong, Mandrake 9 takes 45M in the / |
| 03:28.18 | fontenot | but how much is it actually using? |
| 03:28.18 | fontenot | rh used to be 10 then 20 now 45 |
| 03:28.49 | TomW | my / is: bin, boot, sbin, dev, root dirs |
| 03:29.05 | TomW | only 45M for the usual stuff |
| 03:29.19 | fontenot | oh heh I was only talking about the /boot |
| 03:29.40 | fontenot | which should only contain the kernel and system map and grub.conf |
| 03:29.49 | TomW | they must have some wonderfull stuff in the /boot volume then! WOW! |
| 03:29.55 | fontenot | why they want 75MB for that I have no clue - I just told it to take its 20MB and like it |
| 03:30.07 | TomW | I gotta try RedHat, I must be missing out by using Mandrake? |
| 03:30.21 | fontenot | well I only use redhat because we use it at work |
| 03:30.32 | fontenot | it's getting way too bloated for my taste |
| 03:30.52 | TomW | I gave up on RH abt 2 years ago. About the time that gcc-2.96 came out. |
| 03:31.02 | fontenot | yeah what a fiasco that was |
| 03:31.13 | TomW | gcc-2.96 really screwed my head around. |
| 03:31.19 | LIM | heheh |
| 03:31.30 | fontenot | rh8 is the first one in years to not have 2.96 - they are 3.2 now, with - get this - glibc 2.2.93 |
| 03:31.38 | TomW | fontenot: gotta finish an email, brb. |
| 03:32.06 | fontenot | np |
| 03:32.12 | fontenot | take your time |
| 03:38.12 | fontenot | wow - for once redhat actually installed the ssh server! |
| 03:38.27 | TomW | fontenot: back |
| 03:38.30 | fontenot | I always had to install that separately since I don't install "everything" |
| 03:38.35 | fontenot | wb TomW :-) |
| 03:39.24 | TomW | I have a software race condition that I cannot figure out how to deal with, so I sent some email to the customer to see how his unit would handle the situation that it would present him with... |
| 03:40.26 | fontenot | sounds extremely tricky if you don't know how to handle it |
| 03:41.04 | TomW | This project has been keeping me up at night. My code is a mess and I have been revamping it so it makes more sense. There is a lot of changes to the way I used to do things in code because of this freakin' customer's customer. |
| 03:41.56 | fontenot | ah, damn customers |
| 03:42.02 | fontenot | just as bad as users |
| 03:42.02 | TomW | his freakin' customer's idea of documenting their protocol is to grep the source code and get a bunch of meaningless names for structures. |
| 03:42.14 | fontenot | lol |
| 03:42.18 | TomW | assholes! |
| 03:42.21 | TomW | :-/ |
| 03:42.40 | fontenot | :-( |
| 03:42.46 | fontenot | sounds like no fun |
| 03:43.43 | TomW | I enjoy my work, I love to write code and I write good code. But you know what they say: "garbage in, garbage out". In this case, it is the stupid documentation that is garbage! |
| 03:44.28 | LIM | sounds like junkyard wars |
| 03:44.30 | TomW | I'll give my pillow a good punching this evening when I sack out. |
| 03:44.34 | TomW | :-D |
| 03:44.54 | LIM | make a program out of this crappy api :) |
| 03:45.03 | fontenot | lol |
| 03:45.15 | TomW | LIM what api? |
| 03:45.22 | fontenot | that reminds me - I have two episodes of full metal challenge waiting on my tivo |
| 03:45.31 | TomW | lol |
| 03:45.39 | TomW | you like the tivo? |
| 03:45.46 | LIM | I love my tivo |
| 03:46.04 | TomW | How many hours can it do? |
| 03:46.05 | LIM | I added a 100GB drive to mine... |
| 03:46.12 | LIM | I can record 144hours |
| 03:46.17 | LIM | max |
| 03:46.22 | TomW | LIM: can you hack it? |
| 03:46.30 | LIM | of course |
| 03:46.35 | LIM | I already did |
| 03:46.49 | TomW | really! Get into it with ftp + telnet and such? |
| 03:46.53 | LIM | I have it on my lan |
| 03:46.56 | LIM | yes |
| 03:47.05 | TomW | lol |
| 03:47.07 | TomW | : |
| 03:47.09 | TomW | ! |
| 03:47.29 | LIM | it's a well known process |
| 03:47.36 | LIM | tivo.samba.org |
| 03:47.50 | TomW | That is way cool, I got about 80G of space free on the network stuff here... |
| 03:48.35 | LIM | well, it can't use an nfs mount for TV recording... |
| 03:48.39 | TomW | LIM: cool! Bookmarked! |
| 03:48.44 | fontenot | hmm I added a 120 GB drive and *mine* says 144 |
| 03:49.01 | TomW | fontenot: uhoh |
| 03:49.07 | fontenot | :-( |
| 03:49.28 | LIM | I have the HD112 I think |
| 03:49.38 | fontenot | but I record everything at best quality now which is 39 houts |
| 03:49.40 | fontenot | hours |
| 03:49.56 | fontenot | and TomW to answer your question I love my tivo |
| 03:50.10 | TomW | hmmm, factory refurbished tivo for $429 |
| 03:50.20 | fontenot | that's very high |
| 03:50.23 | LIM | I paid like $120 |
| 03:50.28 | fontenot | i wonder if that's a series 2 |
| 03:50.47 | TomW | really? Model HDR612 |
| 03:51.13 | TomW | Well, it was on pricewatch.com, you know how that goes...? |
| 03:51.25 | fontenot | mine was originally a 30hour model |
| 03:51.37 | fontenot | single drive 30hour - I forget the model number |
| 03:51.47 | fontenot | philips |
| 03:52.09 | TomW | $120 for a tivo is not bad, I'll scrap my VCR for that price. ... well, better keep the VCR for the rental stuff. |
| 03:52.41 | fontenot | yeah |
| 03:52.46 | LIM | bah, get a dvd player |
| 03:52.50 | fontenot | tho you can get a $80 dvd player these days |
| 03:53.41 | fontenot | arg the kernel config file I need is on another disk |
| 03:53.59 | TomW | fontenot: what you doing up this late? |
| 03:54.16 | fontenot | TomW: I'm always up this late :-) |
| 03:54.17 | TomW | fontenot: 3 AM? |
| 03:54.29 | fontenot | yeah tho I usually go to sleep at 5am... |
| 03:54.40 | fontenot | but I have a lot to do tonight |
| 03:54.49 | fontenot | should start laundry soon... |
| 03:55.02 | fontenot | food night be a good idea at some point |
| 03:55.15 | TomW | umm. I try to get to bed before 3 AM myself. Lately this project has been keeping me up. I WANT MY MONEY FOR ALL THIS SHIT! |
| 03:55.28 | TomW | food! oooo! foood! |
| 03:55.50 | fontenot | heh if I knew some all-night places around here they would be getting rich off of me |
| 03:55.58 | fontenot | but there really aren't any |
| 03:56.10 | fontenot | only denny's which foe some reason is really bad here |
| 03:56.22 | TomW | yeah, right, the only all night place around here is the walmart and the police department. |
| 03:56.50 | fontenot | lol pretty much the same here and this is silicon valley :-( |
| 03:56.52 | TomW | walmart customers keep the cops busy at night. |
| 03:57.11 | TomW | I live in Pennsyltucky |
| 03:57.21 | fontenot | yeah some of the ppl who go to walmart at midnight and later are pretty rough - I used to go there late at night all the time in houston |
| 03:57.52 | TomW | sometimes I go there late at night and some of the other customers are really fucked up on drugs. |
| 03:58.09 | fontenot | :-\ |
| 03:58.24 | fontenot | sometimes I thought the employees were on drugs |
| 03:58.37 | TomW | I'm too old for that sillyness. Life is too precious to waste being stoned. |
| 03:59.23 | fontenot | heh |
| 03:59.38 | TomW | I remember wasting a *few* years of my life being stoned. I'm sorry I did that... |
| 04:00.18 | TomW | fontenot: anyway, enough of that topic. What'cha building over there? |
| 04:00.40 | fontenot | a machine to play with various video stuff |
| 04:00.45 | TomW | ahhh |
| 04:01.09 | TomW | you gotta dedicate a whole computer to do that? |
| 04:01.11 | TomW | heh |
| 04:01.31 | fontenot | Fry's had a combo deal - $169 for motherboard and athlon 2100+ |
| 04:01.56 | TomW | pretty serious Home Entertainment center you are putting together there! |
| 04:01.57 | TomW | heh |
| 04:02.01 | fontenot | they had another combo - *same motherboard and athlon 1800+ for $189 |
| 04:02.14 | fontenot | that's fry's for ya |
| 04:02.18 | TomW | not bad price. |
| 04:02.28 | fontenot | yeah but the slower proc was more expensive |
| 04:02.33 | TomW | /not/not a/ |
| 04:03.06 | fontenot | TomW: yeah - I am surprised at how much cpu power the recent codecs take |
| 04:03.06 | TomW | Fastest thing I have now is a Celeron 1100MHz ITX box. |
| 04:03.57 | TomW | I've been enamoured by those tiny little ITX computers lately. I retired the Atlon 1200MHz in disgust. |
| 04:04.08 | LIM | fontenot: you had to remove a HD to upgrade your tivo, right? that would explain it... |
| 04:04.31 | fontenot | LIM: I started with a single drive tivo but did not put the original drive back in |
| 04:04.37 | LIM | ahh |
| 04:04.43 | LIM | I just added a drive. |
| 04:04.44 | fontenot | LIM: and yeah that would explain it :-) |
| 04:04.55 | fontenot | i thought the original drive was going bad |
| 04:05.01 | LIM | so my 20GB original is still in there |
| 04:05.01 | fontenot | now I'm not so sure |
| 04:05.16 | fontenot | your 20GB is the master drive still? |
| 04:05.20 | LIM | yes |
| 04:06.11 | TomW | yeah, symlink the video volume over to the bigger drive and keep the os on the smaller, then you get a few more hours, eh? |
| 04:06.26 | LIM | I upgraded my brothers tivo in about 1/2 an hour, including the backup of the original drive. |
| 04:06.32 | fontenot | wow |
| 04:06.39 | TomW | where do you get a tivo? |
| 04:06.41 | LIM | TomW: not quite |
| 04:06.51 | LIM | TomW: I got mine at Best Buy |
| 04:07.14 | LIM | but they only sell tivo2 now. |
| 04:07.36 | LIM | which has been hacked afaik |
| 04:07.49 | TomW | hmm. That sounds like a mission for me to run tomorrow: find a tivo. This project is getting me down, I need to hop in the Grand AM and take a road trip. |
| 04:08.18 | TomW | LIM: hacked? You cannot get into a Tivo 2 unit or something? |
| 04:09.07 | LIM | TomW: no, meaning you can modify it too |
| 04:09.12 | TomW | ok |
| 04:09.33 | fontenot | yeah I saw some guy's sig on the tivo underground forum 233hour series 2 |
| 04:09.36 | LIM | check the web page there... |
| 04:09.40 | LIM | yeah |
| 04:09.53 | TomW | just wanted to make sure that this wasn't something like the X-Box, you figure out how to do cool stuff with it and then the manufacturer changes it to keep you out. |
| 04:09.54 | LIM | and someone was telling me they could login to their tivo2 |
| 04:10.02 | fontenot | TomW: series 2 have a MIPS proc and at least twice the ram of the series 1 which has a motorola proc |
| 04:10.24 | TomW | fontenot: mot processsor!? What, ColdFire? |
| 04:10.25 | LIM | tivo2 is better for that reason alone ;) |
| 04:10.34 | LIM | no |
| 04:10.41 | fontenot | series 2 also has a usb port :-) you can attach usb NICs |
| 04:10.41 | TomW | PPC? |
| 04:10.58 | LIM | cpu : IBM 403GCX |
| 04:10.59 | TomW | fontenot: doesn't MIPS have an MMU, right? |
| 04:11.05 | LIM | clock : 54MHz |
| 04:11.05 | LIM | revision : 20.1 |
| 04:11.05 | LIM | bogomips : 53.86 |
| 04:11.16 | fontenot | TomW: I'm pretty sure it does |
| 04:11.29 | fontenot | the MIPS is running at like 133MHz too |
| 04:11.43 | LIM | we have no FPU on tivo1 |
| 04:12.01 | TomW | LIM: almost sounds like a StrongARM by the specs. Wish the used the SA, I don't want to learn another processor right now. |
| 04:12.05 | fontenot | TomW: did you mean MMU or FPU? |
| 04:12.11 | LIM | it's a PPC |
| 04:12.11 | TomW | fontenot: MMU |
| 04:12.19 | fontenot | yeah pretty sure it has a MMU |
| 04:12.27 | TomW | ok, PPC has MMU |
| 04:12.47 | fontenot | PPC is series 1 |
| 04:12.56 | LIM | yeah, they run linux...and I don't mean the mmu-less linux |
| 04:13.07 | fontenot | i would love to have that usb port... |
| 04:13.10 | TomW | fontenot: I figured that the mot processor was not a 68EZ328... :-D |
| 04:13.35 | LIM | fontenot: I just want a 10/100 card that works in my tivonet board ;) |
| 04:13.41 | LIM | but that would be silly. |
| 04:13.47 | TomW | fontenot: not with the encode/decode they would have to do on the analog stream. |
| 04:14.26 | TomW | LIM: why not build a hardware hack that implements the CS8900 LAN chip? That is a simple chip to work with. |
| 04:14.41 | LIM | TomW: I'm not an electronics whiz |
| 04:15.06 | LIM | TomW: I can do PSX1 modchip and amiga 500 1MB chip mods... |
| 04:15.09 | TomW | Of course, if you have a USB port, you could stick a USB Ethernet onto it. |
| 04:15.11 | LIM | that's about my limit |
| 04:15.25 | LIM | I have a 10Mbit ethernet in it. |
| 04:15.56 | LIM | http://www.9thtee.com/tivoupgrades.htm |
| 04:16.15 | TomW | LIM: heh, ok. Tired of waiting for ftp to finish out, eh? |
| 04:17.15 | LIM | eh? |
| 04:17.17 | LIM | not that ;) |
| 04:18.27 | TomW | Ahh. Who reads the warnings about opening your electronic equipment anyway? Whose afraid of a little 110volt stuff anyway? |
| 04:19.28 | LIM | hmm, I could get a turbonet card... |
| 04:19.42 | TomW | LIM: let's see: a DVD rom burner, lan, a linux box, a tivo. Hmmmm. starting your own "video tape" collection? |
| 04:20.10 | LIM | well, ripping is still a pain. |
| 04:20.18 | TomW | heh |
| 04:20.38 | LIM | when I rip, I get skips between mfs blocks :( |
| 04:21.04 | LIM | about every 20 minutes at medium quality |
| 04:21.49 | LIM | and since ripping is "illegal" noone talks about it. |
| 04:21.55 | TomW | just went to the kitchen to make some more Sleepy Time tea and looked outside. Looks like another crappy day in the Pocono Mountains again. |
| 04:22.05 | LIM | ahh NY. |
| 04:22.10 | LIM | or NJ |
| 04:22.11 | TomW | Pa |
| 04:22.15 | LIM | doh |
| 04:22.23 | LIM | I'm in indiana |
| 04:22.24 | TomW | or as we say it "Pee-ay" |
| 04:22.36 | TomW | how many other states can you do that with? |
| 04:22.39 | TomW | :) |
| 04:22.45 | fontenot | LIM: I have been wondering about ripping too |
| 04:22.45 | LIM | I'm in IN |
| 04:22.55 | TomW | LOL |
| 04:23.02 | LIM | my state is funner. |
| 04:23.58 | TomW | LIM: yeah, but if someone asks you where you are from and you reply "in", they'll walk away from you, quickly! |
| 04:24.20 | LIM | well, saying it is different. |
| 04:24.23 | fontenot | ah, the traditional inaugural kernel compile |
| 04:24.25 | LIM | typing it is fun |
| 04:25.08 | TomW | fontenot: heeheee, got a boot disk handy? or is rescue gonna do it? |
| 04:25.40 | TomW | fontenot: actually, it is the "obligatory kernel compile", isn't it? |
| 04:25.47 | fontenot | yep |
| 04:25.59 | fontenot | I always compile my own kernel first thing |
| 04:26.49 | TomW | fontenot: compile comes to a screaming halt with "MBR_ON undefined", then with Mandrake you do a "make mrproper" and try again... |
| 04:27.26 | fontenot | yeah I learned to always to a make mrproper |
| 04:27.56 | TomW | at least they finally are shipping kernel source that you can compile right away without haveing to recall that arcane make command to get your kernel source "fixed" before you can use it! |
| 04:28.04 | LIM | I just do: make dep clean install modules modules_install |
| 04:28.16 | LIM | never had to do mrproper...what is it anyways. |
| 04:28.18 | TomW | LIM: brave, aren't you? |
| 04:28.41 | LIM | how is that brave? |
| 04:28.48 | LIM | I run slackware. |
| 04:29.11 | TomW | I usually do: "make dep; make clean; make && make modules; rm -rf /lib/modules/* ; make modules_install ; make install" |
| 04:29.13 | TomW | whew! |
| 04:30.14 | LIM | you should substitue && for ; |
| 04:30.14 | fontenot | LIM: apparently some things are not cleaned with make clean - make mrproper cleans them |
| 04:30.14 | TomW | then re-run lilo to make sure. :-/ |
| 04:30.16 | LIM | fontenot: well, I'm always starting on a new tar -zxvf... |
| 04:30.21 | TomW | naw, it should stop the command line if either fail, besides, it looks cool to use the &&, I am still learning bash. |
| 04:30.51 | LIM | it won't stop shell from running commands after each ; |
| 04:31.05 | LIM | so if make dep fails...it keeps going with ; |
| 04:31.11 | LIM | that's not good. |
| 04:33.07 | TomW | maybe I modify that to: "make dep && make clean && make && make modules && rm -rf /lib/modules/* && make modules_install && make install" |
| 04:33.17 | TomW | lots of ampers that way! |
| 04:33.36 | TomW | heh |
| 04:33.57 | TomW | I am getting punchy from the lack of sleep. Good nite all, nice chat. |
| 04:35.01 | LIM | "make dep clean" is the same as "make dep && make clean" |
| 04:35.13 | TomW | thanks for the info on the tivo, that sounds like something else I need to get and have around to hack. |
| 04:35.21 | fontenot | TomW: they are fun |
| 04:35.23 | TomW | LIM: yup |
| 04:35.26 | LIM | now to get a better ripper |
| 04:35.38 | LIM | perhaps google knows ;) |
| 04:36.18 | TomW | LIM: if google hasn't deleted the reference as being in violation of the DMCA. |
| 04:36.19 | LIM | bah http://pvrhack.sonnik.com/tivo/extract-stream.htm |
| 04:36.34 | LIM | google does no such thing |
| 04:37.09 | TomW | uhhh, yeah they do, there was a news byte lately where they deleted some sites. |
| 04:37.33 | LIM | weird |
| 04:37.46 | TomW | it was a DMCA thing, the owners of the copyright had google do it. |
| 04:38.42 | TomW | later dudes. |
| 04:42.02 | fontenot | yeah google has removed some sites |
| 04:42.49 | LIM | http://www.wisetech.com/tivo/ |
| 04:43.15 | LIM | I should try TyTool |
| 04:48.14 | fontenot | LIM: are you participating in the distributed search for the tivo 3.2 software password? |
| 04:48.27 | fontenot | I have my dual running 2 processes |
| 04:48.57 | fontenot | but I think tivo did something tricky because they are up to 10 characters now and still no solution |
| 04:51.25 | LIM | I don't have tivo 3.2... |
| 04:52.02 | fontenot | LIM: neither do i |
| 04:52.14 | LIM | will we be getting it? |
| 04:52.56 | LIM | anyways, I never used the backdoor codes... |
| 04:54.38 | file | bbl |
| 04:57.22 | fontenot | LIM: probably not getting it for series 1 - I'm just doing it to help out |
| 05:00.24 | LIM | ahh |
| 05:44.54 | LIM | ibot: spell fidora |
| 05:44.54 | | possible spellings for fidora: fedora |
| 08:25.20 | prh_ | j |
| 08:26.19 | kergoth | morning |
| 08:34.53 | CosmicPenguin | where is island boy these days (prpplague)? |
| 08:40.34 | kergoth | good question |
| 11:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | nice and quiet today.... |
| 13:41.14 | BZFlag | andersee: doing the dsl change... back later. |
| 17:36.58 | pingboy | evenin |
| 18:37.16 | Sammy | bonjour |
| 19:29.49 | file | hey andersee |
| 19:31.40 | andersee | hey |
| 19:33.44 | cpenguin_home | evening all |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:52.21 | sorphin | lo tim |
| 19:52.54 | cpenguin_home | BZFlag: does ibot's cookie function not work yet? |
| 19:54.07 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: probably not.. add it onto the list ;p |
| 19:58.42 | BZFlag | hmm never tried the cookie. |
| 19:58.47 | BZFlag | ibot: botsnack |
| 19:58.47 | | :) |
| 19:59.15 | BZFlag | example of what's broken? |
| 19:59.21 | BZFlag | ibot yow |
| 19:59.49 | sorphin | BZFlag: weather is off (so no idea if it's actually broken or not) |
| 20:00.23 | sorphin | and it seems to allow you to think you added somehting, then it turns out it's a factoid, it allows you to also to it, but not clear the also |
| 20:01.12 | cpenguin_home | ibot: cookie |
| 20:01.45 | sorphin | BZFlag: also there's that multiple actions don't work it seems |
| 20:09.12 | MonMotha | it also can't convert currency anymore |
| 20:11.44 | sorphin | that too |
| 20:12.46 | GPSFan | ibot's logs seem to have stopped about Oct 9, 2002 |
| 20:13.25 | GPSFan | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/uclibc/ http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/tuxscreen/ |