| 00:36.39 | BZFlag | ibot: seen Tangent |
| 00:36.39 | | tangent is currently on #intimate #tuxscreen #handhelds.org |
| 00:37.05 | TimRiker | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 00:37.06 | | bzflag <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #tuxscreen, 27s ago, saying: 'ibot: seen Tangent'. |
| 11:32.09 | cpenguin_home | Whats happening folks? |
| 12:12.59 | andersee | cpenguin_home: nada |
| 13:17.08 | cpenguin_home | are you quite done, ChanServ? |
| 13:43.59 | sorphin | we removed it from our channel |
| 13:44.13 | cpenguin_home | andersee, you still here? |
| 13:51.26 | andersee | cpenguin_home: yup |
| 13:52.56 | cpenguin_home | lemme ask you a question... |
| 13:53.23 | cpenguin_home | Would it be better to design Pixil to build as a type of "sub" buildroot under the main buildroot(s) |
| 13:53.36 | cpenguin_home | or to just build a configure script system for the entire tree? |
| 14:00.03 | andersee | cpenguin_home: Hmmm |
| 14:00.18 | andersee | cpenguin_home: I don't know enough about pixil to say for certain... |
| 14:00.30 | andersee | cpenguin_home: Is it many seperate apps? |
| 14:00.36 | cpenguin_home | yeah |
| 14:01.07 | cpenguin_home | I've got a window manager, a IPC server, a registry manager, five pims and half a dozen support libraries |
| 14:01.40 | cpenguin_home | But technically, they all could go under one configure script, but thats alot of stuff to be managed by a single script |
| 14:06.28 | andersee | cpenguin_home: would you expect many people to do partial installs? |
| 14:06.41 | andersee | cpenguin_home: Picking and choosing which sub-apps they want? |
| 14:07.15 | cpenguin_home | Yes - I see two camps - the Nano-X crowd which will build the window manager, the Nano-X apps, and the pims |
| 14:07.22 | cpenguin_home | and the X11 crowd which just wants the pims |
| 14:07.42 | cpenguin_home | And of course, depending on which apps you select, different libraries get built or not |
| 14:08.07 | andersee | Then I think your "sub-buildroot" idea is best... |
| 14:08.38 | cpenguin_home | andersee: so be it.... :) |
| 14:09.23 | cpenguin_home | I guess the crowds will decide |
| 14:14.18 | mallum | cpenguin_home: are these apps all open source ? |
| 14:14.49 | cpenguin_home | mallum: keep it under your hat, but they will be here shortly |
| 14:15.12 | cpenguin_home | mallum: I am designing the system so that they will work under both X and Nano-X |
| 14:15.50 | cpenguin_home | And we will recommend Matchbox as the window manager of choice for the X folks... :) |
| 14:16.21 | mallum | cpenguin_home: excellent :-) |
| 14:17.05 | mallum | cpenguin_home: is it all fltk based ? |
| 14:17.13 | cpenguin_home | every last bit |
| 14:18.29 | mallum | nice |
| 14:19.07 | mallum | cpenguin_home: BTW was it you I was speaking to a while back about patching X to get rid of the 'ugly' defualt thatched root background ? |
| 14:19.29 | cpenguin_home | mallum: I seem to remember that... we pached our STB version to go all black |
| 14:20.03 | mallum | cpenguin_home: yeah I noticed RH8 does it too |
| 14:20.07 | cpenguin_home | do they? |
| 14:20.34 | mallum | cpenguin_home: yeah I installed RH8 on my desktop ( havn't used redhat since about v5 ) |
| 14:20.56 | mallum | cpenguin_home: I was pretty amazed at how well it detected _all_ my hardware |
| 14:21.10 | cpenguin_home | Yeah, they do a good job of that |
| 14:21.22 | mallum | cpenguin_home: can you remember approx where in the X source you have to add the patch ? |
| 14:21.36 | cpenguin_home | Let me look |
| 14:22.06 | mallum | cpenguin_home: Id like to add that to tinyX and maybe ( rather evily ) patch tinyX to do click and hold for left clicks |
| 14:22.22 | cpenguin_home | Look in xc/programs/Xserver/dix/window.c |
| 14:22.26 | cpenguin_home | Do you want a patch? |
| 14:22.43 | mallum | cpenguin_home: yeah if you've got it easily at hand ... |
| 14:23.04 | mallum | cpenguin_home: breakfast@10.am |
| 14:25.12 | cpenguin_home | Its off |
| 14:29.50 | mallum | cpenguin_home: cool thx |
| 14:30.51 | mallum | cpenguin_home: been doing quite a bit of gtk2 hacking recently |
| 14:31.13 | mallum | cpenguin_home: the 2.1 release does display 'migration' which is pretty f**king cool :-) |
| 14:32.21 | cpenguin_home | mallum: I'm luke warm on 2.1.. tell me one thing that should make me want to switch.. |
| 14:34.03 | mallum | cpenguin_home: display migration of running apps ! |
| 14:34.12 | cpenguin_home | ok, thats pretty cool |
| 14:34.25 | cpenguin_home | but how does it work? |
| 14:34.33 | mallum | cpenguin_home: moving a running app from your PDA to your laptop is pretty cool |
| 14:34.43 | cpenguin_home | from a single server though, right? |
| 14:35.45 | mallum | cpenguin_home: GTK2 now abstracts it structures etc away from X, so it can 'close' an app on one display , connect to another and reconstruct it |
| 14:36.24 | mallum | cpenguin_home: like little known make-frame-on-display in emacs |
| 14:36.52 | mallum | cpenguin_home: ( of course emacs has probably been able to do it for the last 10 years :-) ) |
| 14:37.00 | cpenguin_home | yeah, I do that all the time.. :) |
| 14:37.56 | mallum | I think for it to be really useful some sort of protocol has to be worked out , but I think thats in progress |
| 14:38.51 | cpenguin_home | mallum: it would be better if X handled all that, but if we sat around saying all the things we wish X handled, we would be here all night |
| 14:39.24 | mallum | yeah indeed |
| 14:39.43 | mallum | its mainly a case of just figuring out a standing 'X message' you can send an app to get it to migrate |
| 14:39.59 | mallum | s/standing/standard/ |
| 15:00.12 | cpenguin_home | bbiab |
| 20:01.24 | sorphin | someone needs to turn off chanserv in here :P |
| 20:02.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.51 | kergoth | hey sorphin |
| 20:02.52 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 20:04.22 | sorphin | goes |
| 20:04.54 | kergoth | yeh |
| 20:05.47 | sorphin | i'm finally down to my last 20 cdr's i think.. bout to burn up one for a mandrake 9 cd for the xbox (least to boot and see what the kernel has to say).. |
| 20:16.52 | MonMotha | buy? you "buy" CDs? |
| 20:17.00 | MonMotha | I get Best Buy to pay me to take them off their hands |
| 20:20.35 | sorphin | um... right |
| 21:25.02 | CaCtus491 | has anyone around here managed to get a byte written to the serial port of the tux in kernel mode? |
| 21:25.44 | LIM | the serial driver has I bet... |
| 21:26.10 | CaCtus491 | hehe, good chance :) |
| 21:26.32 | CaCtus491 | Unfortunately, my limited experience makes that bit hard for me to read :( |
| 21:27.28 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:32.00 | LIM | sorphin: always there with the intelligent comebacks...aren't you... |
| 21:32.44 | sorphin | well, if he made any sense on what the hell he wants to do |
| 21:32.54 | sorphin | i'd have something to say. |
| 21:33.15 | sorphin | so f.o. |
| 21:33.42 | LIM | I was just kidding around man! |
| 21:34.16 | LIM | he's trying to write a kernel module that writes something out the serial port... |
| 21:34.23 | LIM | I dunno why really. |
| 21:34.42 | sorphin | right, i caught that part.. the why is what i was waiting for |
| 21:36.01 | LIM | perhaps do a mouse driver? |
| 21:36.15 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:36.32 | sorphin | a serial mouse, why? |
| 21:36.32 | LIM | afaik it's only a school project |
| 21:36.47 | LIM | I guess the project is to write a kernel module... |
| 21:37.09 | LIM | obviously, it's better to use a userland driver |
| 21:37.19 | sorphin | yup |
| 21:37.32 | sorphin | i think even file knows that ;) |
| 21:37.45 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: is that how it works in XP? :P |
| 21:37.47 | LIM | nah, that's thinking too far! |
| 21:37.57 | file | nah I'm just cold |
| 21:38.12 | file | it's almost 1am, the heating is off... and it's snowing outside |
| 21:38.21 | LIM | why is the heat off? |
| 21:38.36 | file | LIM: because everyone has many blankets on their beds and is asleep - besides me |
| 21:38.44 | LIM | file: ahh |
| 21:38.44 | cpenguin_home | ibot: weather kslc |
| 21:38.57 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: um.. i've never used XP so i wouldn't know |
| 21:39.11 | cpenguin_home | what the hell? Ibot lost his weather capabilities |
| 21:39.23 | file | ibot: weather cyqm |
| 21:39.30 | LIM | ibot: weather KFWA |
| 21:39.33 | file | nooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 21:39.39 | cpenguin_home | No, no - its been turned off |
| 21:39.52 | cpenguin_home | <ibot> unfortunately, weather is disabled in my configuration |
| 21:40.42 | LIM | http://jcatki.no-ip.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/script/wr |
| 21:40.42 | kergoth | cpenguin_home: i dont think it has 'message for nickname:' capabilities either |
| 21:40.54 | LIM | chenge SITE=KFWA to your site |
| 21:41.09 | cpenguin_home | hmm.... ibot must have been freaking Tim out, so he hobbled it |
| 21:41.15 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: matter of fact, i don't know where the hell that came from :P |
| 21:41.16 | sorphin | tim changed ibot last night |
| 21:41.39 | cpenguin_home | for the worse, it appears |
| 21:41.46 | file | poor ibot... |
| 21:41.48 | cpenguin_home | ibot: you're half the bot you used to be |
| 21:41.48 | | cpenguin_home: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:41.54 | file | anyway I think I'll go to bed again |
| 21:41.55 | kergoth | ibot is a blootbot now |
| 21:41.55 | | kergoth: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:42.14 | LIM | ibot: ibot is a blootbot now |
| 21:42.14 | | LIM: okay |
| 21:42.15 | cpenguin_home | at least he remembers stuff |
| 21:42.21 | sorphin | ibot: slashdot |
| 21:42.22 | LIM | ibot: ibot |
| 21:42.22 | | ibot is, like, a blootbot now |
| 21:44.56 | sorphin | heh, that suspended mail account bit.. if she'd pay her stupid bill like she's supposed to, she wouldn't have missed her chance at the contract ;p |
| 21:48.40 | cpenguin_home | The worst problem is that she is Canadian... we're infecting our neighbors to the north with stupidity! |
| 21:49.21 | sorphin | like they need help |
| 21:49.26 | LIM | heheh |
| 21:49.37 | cpenguin_home | must be sorphin - he's closer to the border than the rest of us |
| 21:49.45 | LIM | and they give us their actors... |
| 21:50.47 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:50.50 | sorphin | i am ? |
| 21:52.53 | sorphin | well, not significantly |
| 21:53.30 | cpenguin_home | Ah, damn... thats right.... |
| 21:53.36 | cpenguin_home | For some reason I thought you were in Minnisota |
| 21:53.45 | sorphin | um.. nope |
| 21:54.06 | LIM | with quantum tunneling, he is there a little... |
| 21:54.08 | cpenguin_home | oh, well... its all the same once you get east of the Rocky moutains anyway |
| 21:54.43 | sorphin | see, it's digiboys fault ;) |
| 21:55.00 | kergoth | bah |
| 21:55.02 | sorphin | and sjhill's in iowa |
| 21:55.11 | sorphin | so it's his fault too |
| 22:39.35 | BZFlag | botmail is not on the new bot either. folks should either use MemoServ or write me one. ;-) |
| 22:40.06 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 22:40.11 | BZFlag | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 22:40.11 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 592 messages. Is idling for 5s |
| 22:40.18 | BZFlag | ibot factinfo bzflag |
| 22:40.18 | | bzflag -- it has been requested 2 times, last by BZFlag, 22h 38m 18s ago; it has been locked by BZFlag. |
| 22:40.28 | BZFlag | now has fact locking. |
| 22:40.33 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 22:40.40 | BZFlag | and a ton of other new stuff. |
| 22:40.45 | BZFlag | ibot spell kergoth |
| 22:40.45 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'kergoth' |
| 22:40.51 | BZFlag | heh |
| 22:40.58 | BZFlag | ibot spell dictionarie |
| 22:40.58 | | possible spellings for dictionarie: dictionaries |
| 22:41.09 | BZFlag | ibot dict spelling |
| 22:41.46 | BZFlag | weather is broken at the moment, but I'll get around to fixing it. |
| 22:42.00 | BZFlag | he's using blootbot code from SF now, patches welcome. |
| 22:42.09 | LIM | ibot ibot |
| 22:42.09 | | somebody said ibot was a blootbot now |
| 22:42.49 | BZFlag | karma is busted at present, as it does not work with DBM files. I'll likely move to SQLite instead soon. just posting a bunch of patches to start that. |
| 22:42.57 | BZFlag | ibot karma bzflag |
| 22:42.57 | | bzflag has neutral karma |
| 22:43.40 | BZFlag | /msg ibot help - he does a ton of new stuff. |
| 22:44.35 | andersee | ibot: What is the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything? |
| 22:44.35 | | andersee: what are you talking about? |
| 22:44.37 | BZFlag | well, nite. MemoServ me with stuff that needs fixing/adding. better yet post patches on SF. ;-) ibot can run interactively now so testing is easier. he can also reload modules without restarting: |
| 22:44.42 | BZFlag | ibot reload |
| 22:44.42 | | reloading... |
| 22:44.42 | | reloaded. |
| 22:45.01 | BZFlag | ibot cycle |
| 22:45.11 | BZFlag | heh |
| 22:45.17 | andersee | ibot: What is the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything? |
| 22:45.17 | | andersee: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:45.20 | LIM | ibot: bicycle |
| 22:45.20 | | LIM: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:45.26 | kergoth | ibot: the answer |
| 22:45.26 | | kergoth: are you smoking crack? |
| 22:45.27 | LIM | ibot: yes |
| 22:45.27 | | i don't know, LIM |
| 22:45.35 | kergoth | ibot: the answer is 42 |
| 22:45.35 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:45.44 | BZFlag | ibot status |
| 22:45.47 | | Since Fri Nov 1 23:54:04 2002, there have been 11 modifications and 101 questions and 73 dunnos and 2 morons and 119 commands. I have been awake for 22h 51m 40s this session, and currently reference 84011 factoids. I'm using about 15476 kB of memory. |
| 22:45.47 | LIM | ibot: the answer? |
| 22:45.48 | | LIM: are you smoking crack? |
| 22:45.51 | LIM | ibot: the answer |
| 22:45.51 | | bugger all, i dunno, LIM |
| 22:45.55 | andersee | ibot: The ultimate answer to life the universe and everything is 42. |
| 22:45.55 | | andersee: that's too long |
| 22:46.04 | LIM | ibot: the |
| 22:46.04 | | LIM: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:46.08 | LIM | ibot: answer |
| 22:46.08 | | from memory, answer is 42 |
| 22:46.22 | BZFlag | nite all. |
| 22:46.27 | andersee | night |
| 22:55.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:55.18 | sorphin | ibot: LIM is smoking crack. |
| 22:55.18 | | sorphin: okay |
| 22:55.46 | LIM | ibot: LIM is not smoking crack |
| 22:55.46 | | ...but lim is already something else... |
| 22:55.52 | LIM | bah! |
| 22:57.31 | sorphin | LIM: that's not how the bot works :P |
| 22:57.53 | LIM | I thought it could keep multiple definitions... |
| 22:59.52 | sorphin | yeah, but you didn't do it right |
| 23:00.22 | LIM | ibot: LIM is also not smoking crack |
| 23:00.22 | | LIM: okay |
| 23:00.30 | sorphin | that makes no sense |
| 23:00.34 | LIM | heehee |
| 23:00.36 | sorphin | ibot: LIM? |
| 23:00.36 | | extra, extra, read all about it, lim is sorphin!sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net, or not smoking crack |
| 23:00.38 | LIM | ibot lim |
| 23:00.38 | | extra, extra, read all about it, lim is sorphin!sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net, or not smoking crack |
| 23:00.49 | sorphin | ibot: forget lim |
| 23:00.50 | LIM | interesting... |
| 23:00.56 | sorphin | wtf |
| 23:01.00 | sorphin | [ibot(ibot@rikers.org)] cannot remove factoid 'lim' since it is protected by |
| 23:01.00 | sorphin | Time. |
| 23:01.14 | sorphin | ibot: forget LIM |
| 23:01.16 | LIM | weird |
| 23:01.23 | LIM | ibot: forget LIM |
| 23:01.24 | sorphin | it thinks lim is a factoid |
| 23:01.47 | LIM | ibot: erase LIM |
| 23:01.47 | | no idea, LIM |
| 23:01.53 | sorphin | umm |
| 23:01.57 | sorphin | tim will have to do it |
| 23:01.59 | LIM | I dunno ibot. |
| 23:02.23 | sorphin | forget is the right command, but it's a protected factoid for some reason |
| 23:02.51 | LIM | yeah...Time...whatever that means |
| 23:03.30 | sorphin | well, don't worry about it ;p |
| 23:04.31 | LIM | I won't. |
| 23:06.50 | cpenguin_home | hmmm... fun with ibot |
| 23:07.10 | cpenguin_home | time for bead |
| 23:07.12 | cpenguin_home | bed |
| 23:07.14 | cpenguin_home | bead |
| 23:07.16 | cpenguin_home | its all good |