| 00:45:42 | bhima | good evening. |
| 00:46:15 | file[laptop] | waves to bhima |
| 00:47:11 | bhima | hello. how're you doing? |
| 00:49:51 | file[laptop] | I am fine, you? |
| 00:51:17 | bhima | 'm ok. reading through the digikey catalog looking at connectors. |
| 00:51:28 | file[laptop] | ic |
| 00:51:33 | file[laptop] | twitches as Sourceforge is down |
| 00:52:17 | bhima | sourceforge is very useful. which is why it's a pity that it sucks so painfully. |
| 00:52:40 | file[laptop] | quite |
| 00:55:52 | fontenot | agreed! |
| 02:37:05 | bhima | hello. |
| 02:49:13 | MonMotha | hum, why in the world would people choose such oddball shortcuts for menu functions? |
| 02:49:16 | MonMotha | shift+U to undo? |
| 02:52:41 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, that just makes it a capital U :P |
| 02:54:05 | MonMotha | funny funny... |
| 02:54:25 | MonMotha | I finally got myself a few latches to build that flash burner...but I didn't get enough :) |
| 02:54:29 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:54:48 | sorphin | has his mod chip in nice and secure now, and got the dashboard loading off a CD-R w/ no probs |
| 02:55:30 | MonMotha | hum, gschem looks nice, but totally unusable |
| 02:56:22 | sorphin | i'd looked at eagle before.. but since i can use protel dxp at work or on the laptop... |
| 03:05:52 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 03:05:57 | MonMotha | you used eagle? |
| 03:07:05 | sorphin | once |
| 03:08:40 | MonMotha | any good? |
| 03:08:49 | sorphin | was ok |
| 03:09:12 | sorphin | i haven't made a board in years tho, so.. |
| 03:09:27 | MonMotha | I'm not doing a board layout, just a schematic |
| 03:10:26 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:37:39 | sorphin | kergoth: digibitch |
| 03:38:07 | kergoth | yeap |
| 03:38:09 | kergoth | dont remind me |
| 03:38:15 | kergoth | i hate sundays almost as much as mondays |
| 03:38:19 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:38:20 | sorphin | sup? |
| 03:38:34 | kergoth | nada, been a lazy weekend, havent gotten a damn thing done |
| 03:38:34 | kergoth | you? |
| 03:39:06 | sorphin | finally got my modchip secure, the xbox is on the network atm, and listening to new cds atm (currently Breaking Benjamin) |
| 03:39:19 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:39:43 | sorphin | bought the new disturbed cd and breaking benjamin.. both are really good |
| 03:39:58 | kergoth | oo disturbed, i was planning on picking that up myself |
| 03:40:16 | sorphin | do it |
| 03:40:50 | sorphin | likes prayer, but wasn't sure how the rest would sound, so i listened on cdnow, and i liked so i snagged it at BB |
| 03:57:57 | sorphin | hey it's the POS whore |
| 03:59:48 | prpplague | sorphin: worldcom bitch |
| 04:00:18 | sorphin | that's Worldcom Lackey to you |
| 04:03:30 | prpplague | good evening to you too...... |
| 04:04:37 | sorphin | grins |
| 04:04:38 | sorphin | sup? |
| 04:06:54 | prpplague | getting ready for phase 2 of the switch over |
| 04:07:18 | sorphin | nods |
| 04:26:23 | cpenguin_home | Go Angels, eh? |
| 04:30:15 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: evening |
| 04:32:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: hello mr.cto |
| 04:41:15 | BZFlag | prpplague: heh. fun while it lasts. |
| 04:41:55 | prpplague | BZFlag: whats that? |
| 04:46:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: whats the latest at lineo? |
| 04:46:25 | prpplague | BZFlag: any word on the vercel? |
| 04:46:26 | BZFlag | prpplague: things are a changin' round the office. not sure what we'll look like in a couple weeks. |
| 04:46:41 | prpplague | BZFlag: good changes? |
| 04:46:47 | BZFlag | nothing on vercel or infomart or royal or .... =( |
| 04:46:54 | sorphin | prpplague: how often do big companies have good changes? |
| 04:47:19 | prpplague | sorphin: something when they fire morons |
| 04:47:21 | BZFlag | from where I sit at the moment, no. not good changes. possible things will turn out differently though. |
| 04:47:41 | prpplague | BZFlag: bummer |
| 04:47:47 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 04:47:59 | prpplague | BZFlag: you gonna be out of a job? |
| 04:48:20 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 04:49:19 | prpplague | oops that didn't come out right |
| 04:49:30 | prpplague | BZFlag: didn't mean it that way dude |
| 04:49:41 | sorphin | riight |
| 04:49:50 | prpplague | is suffering from lack of sleep |
| 04:50:02 | sorphin | prpplague: i thought it was lack of guiness |
| 04:50:09 | prpplague | sorphin: that too |
| 04:50:34 | sorphin | dccs you some |
| 04:50:40 | prpplague | BZFlag: i bet all the nda's you've had to sign are probably gonna be a bitch for getting work on other projects |
| 04:50:43 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: it could be other stuff too... he *is* in the tropics... :) |
| 04:51:08 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: true |
| 04:52:26 | sorphin | prolly has malaria |
| 04:52:39 | prpplague | sorphin: dingy fever |
| 04:52:47 | cpenguin_home | hey |
| 04:52:47 | prpplague | sorphin: thats thing thing down here |
| 04:52:52 | cpenguin_home | s/hey/heh/ |
| 04:53:19 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:53:26 | sorphin | that down there, and up here, west nile ;p |
| 04:53:54 | cpenguin_home | Another on the list of things you never want to hear from your doctor: "Son, I'm afraid you've got dingy fever". |
| 04:54:07 | cpenguin_home | "But if you stay away from small boats for about 3 weeks, you should be fine" |
| 04:54:49 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:55:21 | sorphin | i think prpplague actually has big blue fever ;p |
| 04:55:25 | cpenguin_home | remembers Tommy Boy - "Quit playing with your dingy" |
| 04:55:30 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:55:54 | sorphin | prpplague: when do you fly back? |
| 04:56:02 | prpplague | sorphin: thursday |
| 04:56:09 | prpplague | sorphin: if everything is ok |
| 04:56:35 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:57:10 | BZFlag | prpplague: you'd be amazed how many NDAs I avoided signing. ;-) |
| 04:57:39 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like i'll be back sometime in the first of 2003 to bring up 4 new server rooms on a mesh ATM |
| 04:57:48 | prpplague | BZFlag: good for you |
| 04:57:50 | cpenguin_home | ack |
| 04:58:31 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i'd much rather be working on pixil :) |
| 04:58:50 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: but hey, you do what pays the bills ( and takes you to the caribean) |
| 04:59:41 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: boss man back from the geek cruise? |
| 05:00:22 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: I would assume so |
| 05:00:26 | prpplague | BZFlag: man we have got to find a new fun linux hack |
| 05:00:39 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: so I'll either get fired tommorrow, or start opening pixil, one of the two |
| 05:00:43 | prpplague | BZFlag: this linia from royal sounds kinda fun |
| 05:00:49 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: fun |
| 05:01:23 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: if you'r gonna get fired, be sure and do what the guy on fight club did, lol |
| 05:01:31 | sorphin | prpplague: i've seen quite a few ads lately for the leapfrog toy you bought |
| 05:01:51 | prpplague | sorphin: ya, it would a great hack |
| 05:02:13 | BZFlag | what about the kodak picture frame thing? |
| 05:02:16 | prpplague | sorphin: there is also a new one called pixilit that looks pretty nice |
| 05:02:22 | BZFlag | hunts for the name.... |
| 05:03:00 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i got a couple of those, and it would do pretty nicely, but the problem is they are getting pretty hard to find |
| 05:03:45 | prpplague | BZFlag: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/ceiva/ceiva.htm |
| 05:04:31 | cpenguin_home | Cirrus Logic EP7212 |
| 05:04:32 | cpenguin_home | Fun |
| 05:04:34 | prpplague | sorphin: rumor has it that this pixilit has a vr4181 in it |
| 05:05:39 | cpenguin_home | Ok, time for bed |
| 05:05:44 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: later |
| 05:05:51 | cpenguin_home | See everybody tommorrow morning, bright and early |
| 05:05:55 | BZFlag | http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/faqs/faq1644.shtml |
| 05:06:38 | BZFlag | prpplague: I grew up in Rochester, home of Kodak. I've got a few good leads, I might be able to pick up 1000 units or so. |
| 05:06:54 | sorphin | BZFlag: :) |
| 05:07:08 | sorphin | if you can, hook us up ;) (aka sell em at a good price ;) ) |
| 05:07:46 | BZFlag | ceiva == kodak? of different hardware? |
| 05:07:50 | sorphin | tho, you did that w/ the tux, so... tis prolly a given :) |
| 05:08:13 | BZFlag | sorphin: heh. That's what I'm working on. we'll see if it happens or not. |
| 05:08:15 | prpplague | BZFlag: the ceiva was from polaroid now that i think about it |
| 05:09:06 | BZFlag | ah, yeah different products, same market. |
| 05:09:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: the ceive has the connections for a cf slot but its not soldered on |
| 05:09:29 | prpplague | BZFlag: is the kodak a cl too? |
| 05:09:58 | sorphin | BZFlag: yeah |
| 05:10:29 | sorphin | lo erik |
| 05:10:44 | andersee | evening |
| 05:11:26 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1393314920 |
| 05:11:30 | prpplague | andersee: evening |
| 05:12:22 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, $135 eh.. |
| 05:13:05 | sorphin | i wonder how good the pic really looks in it :P |
| 05:13:07 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004ZCMW/102-3580055-1540922 |
| 05:13:43 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:13:53 | andersee | I bet the tuxscreen would do just as nice a job... |
| 05:13:54 | sorphin | one word |
| 05:13:56 | sorphin | overpriced |
| 05:14:52 | prpplague | andersee: agreed |
| 05:15:05 | prpplague | andersee: we were just looking for another fun hardware hack |
| 05:15:20 | sorphin | what's the actual specs on it? |
| 05:16:31 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm not seeing any specs |
| 05:16:37 | sorphin | bah |
| 05:19:19 | prpplague | http://www.shortcourses.com/how/digitalframe/digitaldisplays.htm#Digi-Frame |
| 05:21:10 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:21:50 | prpplague | sorphin: i want to find some little gadget that sells for dirt cheap and make something really out of it using linux |
| 05:22:25 | prpplague | sorphin: i've been going to wal-mart and k-mart picking up anything and everything that might have a mips or arm in it |
| 05:22:49 | sorphin | apparently you haven't found anything yet ;) |
| 05:23:26 | andersee | prpplague: how about a DVD player? I bet some of those have an arm core inside |
| 05:24:12 | sorphin | apparently there's a DivX dvd player out now |
| 05:26:31 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, didn't think about that |
| 05:26:40 | prpplague | andersee: that would be cool |
| 05:27:20 | prpplague | andersee: i'd really like to get one of these kids toys loaded with linux |
| 05:28:01 | prpplague | its a shame that that leapfrog unit was made with a bubble chip, it would have made a great data collector |
| 05:28:55 | prpplague | knee how Sammy |
| 05:30:49 | Sammy | hello prpplague |
| 05:31:37 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah |
| 05:34:30 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, there's one for $71 ends in 2 days and one at 99 ends in 1 day (the cevia (sp)) |
| 05:34:47 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 05:35:38 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i got an email from some guy about 3 or 4 months ago who said he had figured out how to use the onchip firmware to dl via a serial port to the flash on the ceiva |
| 05:35:46 | sorphin | AND |
| 05:35:54 | sorphin | there's one at buy it now for $89 brand new |
| 05:36:03 | prpplague | lol |
| 05:36:17 | sorphin | grins |
| 05:36:46 | prpplague | some on this channel bought 10 of them |
| 05:36:55 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:37:26 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD3743387662.html |
| 05:38:01 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:38:02 | sorphin | 66mhz |
| 05:38:35 | prpplague | i just don't understand why dev boards are so expensive |
| 05:39:37 | sorphin | think the cevia is worth it? |
| 05:40:05 | prpplague | sorphin: the lcd alone is worth it, IMHO |
| 05:40:52 | sorphin | ahh |
| 05:41:10 | sorphin | but only if you can wire it up to something else easily ;p (if you can't do anything w/ the frame) |
| 05:43:44 | prpplague | http://www.toaei-usa.com/pages/683567/index.htm |
| 05:44:04 | prpplague | sorphin: ya most of the cpu lines are brought out to headers |
| 05:45:02 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, how much? $3000? :P |
| 05:45:25 | prpplague | sorphin: who knows |
| 05:50:21 | prpplague | http://www.toaei.com/IT_Division/TOA-400.pdf |
| 05:51:14 | sorphin | fears a pdf link |
| 05:52:00 | sorphin | prpplague: which frame do you have? the kodak or polaroid? |
| 05:52:54 | prpplague | sorphin: ceiva/polaroid |
| 05:53:21 | sorphin | do you use it at all? |
| 05:53:44 | BZFlag | http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/colin/ceiva/Ceiva-mini-HOWTO.html |
| 05:59:04 | prpplague | doh, i'm behind a firewall, can't get to that one |
| 05:59:20 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:59:31 | prpplague | sorphin: did you check the url out? |
| 05:59:32 | sorphin | This is a quick introduction to putting Linux on a Poloaroid/Ceiva |
| 05:59:33 | sorphin | PhotoMax Digital Picture Frame. It is now at the stage where the |
| 05:59:33 | sorphin | kernel will boot (!) and load the root FS. The only thing left is the |
| 05:59:33 | sorphin | LCD framebuffer, but I broke my LCD controller chip, so I have to wait |
| 05:59:33 | sorphin | for a new Ceiva. |
| 05:59:33 | sorphin | NOTE: This HOWTO assumes you're a kernel hacker |
| 05:59:55 | prpplague | lol |
| 06:01:18 | prpplague | sorphin: that toa-400 is only $299 |
| 06:02:54 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:02:58 | sorphin | amazing |
| 06:04:52 | bhima | that's intriguing. |
| 06:05:03 | sorphin | prpplague: almost scary.. |
| 06:06:16 | bhima | can you hook up a reasonable speed external interface to it? |
| 06:09:07 | sorphin | prpplague: you never did answer my Q.. |
| 06:09:29 | prpplague | which one? |
| 06:10:30 | bhima | the ceiva. |
| 06:10:36 | sorphin | <sorphin> do you use it at all? |
| 06:11:15 | prpplague | sorphin: oh, i use the lcd for testing but not the board |
| 06:11:26 | sorphin | ah |
| 06:11:31 | prpplague | sorphin: i didn't find anyone who was willing to work with me on it |
| 06:11:44 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:11:59 | sorphin | well, now you could contact that guy in the howto ;p |
| 06:12:32 | prpplague | sorphin: colin is one of the guys who hangs out here occasional |
| 06:13:25 | sorphin | ah |
| 06:19:03 | bhima | oooh. palm just introduced PDAs with real processors. |
| 06:19:44 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:19:54 | bhima | but small screens high res/small size. |
| 06:19:58 | bhima | still not as big as the Newton screen. |
| 06:21:00 | bhima | and it's still a slower CPU than the Newton. |
| 06:21:52 | prpplague | i want something that is really hackable, the zaurus comes close, but i want something with more gpio's available externally |
| 06:22:07 | sorphin | prpplague: and cheep ;) |
| 06:22:18 | bhima | the newton has two PCMCIA slots, and two serial ports. one RS422, one TTL level. |
| 06:22:31 | bhima | up to 2Mbps externally clockable or internally to 230.4kbps. |
| 06:22:37 | prpplague | bhima: nice |
| 06:23:00 | prpplague | bhima: i always heard the newton was a great pda way before it's time |
| 06:23:08 | sorphin | it was |
| 06:23:26 | bhima | it was too expensive in terms of how convinced people were that they needed it. |
| 06:23:33 | bhima | I think that's the primary way it was before its time. |
| 06:24:07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:25:01 | prpplague | this runs linux pretty well - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2064369431 |
| 06:25:12 | prpplague | i never got around to getting x running on it though |
| 06:26:15 | bhima | the palm communicates with a "new breed" of bluetooth cellphones. I wonder if it will communicate with my three year old discontinued bluetooth phone? :) |
| 06:27:23 | sorphin | prpplague: too expensive again ;p |
| 06:27:24 | bhima | prp: what the fuck is that? weird. |
| 06:29:31 | prpplague | bhima: lol, its a small commercial handheld |
| 06:29:43 | prpplague | sorphin: it sells for around $4000 new, lol |
| 06:31:54 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2064504426 |
| 06:32:41 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2064710208 |
| 06:33:18 | prpplague | those are cute units, problem is, the bios looks for a license number on the flash, if it doesn't find it, it won't even power up all the way |
| 06:33:27 | bhima | fsck. there's a new palm folding keyboard that is _thinner). |
| 06:34:35 | sorphin | prpplague: bypassable i'm sure |
| 06:37:22 | prpplague | sorphin: not easily, i spent about 3 weeks working on it |
| 06:37:33 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:37:35 | prpplague | sorphin: finally met a guy who used to work for telxon |
| 06:37:44 | sorphin | well, the point is, it's bypassable ;) |
| 06:38:01 | prpplague | sorphin: they did some serious gerry riggin on the mb |
| 06:38:08 | sorphin | fun fun |
| 06:42:55 | bhima | how do you add wavelan to the new palm? bluetooth only, it seems like there's no wavelan capability. |
| 06:52:48 | prpplague | ha, there are two brutus systems up on ebay |
| 06:53:05 | bhima | URL? |
| 06:54:08 | bhima | hmm. sleeptime. |
| 06:54:27 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2063951533 |
| 06:54:53 | sorphin | Currently US $1.00 First bid US $1.00 |
| 06:54:53 | sorphin | Quantity 1 # of bids 0 bid history |
| 06:54:53 | sorphin | Time left 1 days, 19 hours + |
| 06:56:02 | prpplague | yep |
| 11:26:59 | prpplague | andersee: working hard i see |
| 11:27:05 | prpplague | andersee: got a new bb out |
| 11:28:33 | andersee | yup |
| 11:28:59 | file[laptop] | awakens |
| 11:29:59 | prpplague | andersee: is very much work being done to ash in bb? i've had that nasty problem of rxvt core'n when trying to use ash |
| 11:31:30 | prpplague | awaits the never to go live 15 minutes |
| 11:31:50 | prpplague | new server that is |
| 11:32:08 | prpplague | i got to remember to turn off that auto correct..... |
| 11:34:54 | file[laptop] | I'd remind you but I won't be here |
| 11:49:28 | andersee | prpplague: Yeah, ash gets patches reasonably often. Whats the problem? |
| 11:49:34 | andersee | prpplague: What version? |
| 11:54:45 | prpplague | andersee: man, i'm brain dead right now, and i don't have my buildroot on my laptop |
| 11:54:59 | prpplague | andersee: i'll see what i can find |
| 11:56:15 | prpplague | andersee: looks like i'm using a snapshot 20020923 |
| 11:56:56 | file[laptop] | unfortunately I should go very soon |
| 11:57:54 | file[laptop] | bbl - enjoy the day |
| 11:59:23 | prpplague | andersee: as i understand the issue from several ppl, is that ash has a problem with requests for terminal resize |
| 12:00:17 | prpplague | andersee: bout 1 out of every 5 times you open a rxvt or xterm window, ash causes rxvt or xterm to core |
| 12:00:38 | prpplague | andersee: i didn't delve into it since ppl were saying it was known issue |
| 12:01:09 | prpplague | andersee: i'll try it when i get to the office next week and see if its still a problem |
| 12:04:47 | andersee | Hmm. I've not heard of that one... |
| 12:13:12 | prpplague | andersee: ok then, maybe i was mis-informed |
| 12:13:39 | prpplague | andersee: i test when i get back, if i'm still having a problem, i look more deeply at the issue |
| 12:14:06 | andersee | prpplague: If its a real bug, I suppose its well known to someone... |
| 12:16:39 | prpplague | andersee: i'd agree |
| 13:53:40 | prpplague | argh, is there a way to force a module to unload? |
| 13:56:43 | andersee | prpplague: depends -- if you oopsed the kernel while holding locks -- nope. |
| 13:59:23 | prpplague | andersee: no, its a freaking third party module that i can get to unload without a reboot and a reboot isn't an option till late tonight |
| 14:11:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey |
| 14:13:06 | Russ|werk | morning prpplague |
| 15:18:25 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 15:18:27 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:32:54 | kergoth`zzz | yawns |
| 15:32:55 | kergoth`zzz | morning guys |
| 16:15:43 | sorphin | sjhill: oh, not you again |
| 16:15:48 | sorphin | we just had the place cleaned |
| 16:16:55 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh |
| 16:18:03 | sjhill | sorphin: you have that "i just pumped the neighbor's dog look on your face" |
| 16:18:15 | sorphin | no i don't |
| 16:18:21 | sorphin | that's prpplague |
| 16:18:25 | sjhill | lol |
| 16:18:32 | sorphin | has that. ."why am i here?" look |
| 16:29:10 | sorphin | dat/clear |
| 16:29:18 | sorphin | grr |
| 16:36:42 | kergoth | I need to buy that "I dont work here" shirt from thinkgeek and wear it to work |
| 16:37:08 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:37:15 | sorphin | got a quick link to it? |
| 16:37:46 | CosmicPenguin | I want the "Its the hardware's fault" t-shirt |
| 16:39:38 | kergoth | sorphin: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/38e2/\ |
| 20:42:59 | ade | anyone in who uses one of these wee things in the UK ? |
| 21:47:29 | ade | is away: seeking food |
| 23:12:50 | ade | am have a few problems with the phone, can anyone point me in the right direction please |
| 23:13:31 | ade | i'm attempting to use the phone (not the arm) for the moment while i wait for the psu parts to arrive |
| 23:16:03 | ade | i read that the phone would work with just the batteries connected .. is this so , as i cant make it work, any hints greatfully received |
| 23:27:12 | CosmicPenguin | Are you using Inferno or Linux? |
| 23:29:27 | ade | neither .. no psu as yet. so would like to see just the phone put work |
| 23:37:18 | CosmicPenguin | ade: wait, so you have the device in front of you? All assembled and everything? |
| 23:49:26 | ade | yup |