| 00:00:29 | file | prpplague: until that hub gets here my laptop's wireless is the only connection between the systems |
| 00:00:33 | sorphin | prpplague: why in the foxtrot are you in HERE? you should be out looking for that chick to have breakfast w/ :P |
| 00:00:59 | prpplague | sorphin: got to get this freaking server running first |
| 00:01:11 | file | sorphin: haha - my watch was delivered today and there's still absolutely no tracking info |
| 00:01:18 | sorphin | prpplague: bah.. you gotta find HER and get HER "server" running ;) |
| 00:01:26 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 00:01:45 | sorphin | file: fun fun |
| 00:02:37 | file | my birthday present however was sent 2 hours ago, and UPS already has tracking up |
| 00:03:43 | sorphin | well, that's UPS, not canada post ;) |
| 00:03:49 | file | yup |
| 00:04:02 | sorphin | btw, it was xpress post |
| 00:04:10 | file | sorphin: I'm darn good! |
| 00:04:22 | prpplague | man if i'd had this kinda problems with the tape drives under sco, i'd have hella of time finding info |
| 00:04:26 | file | sorphin: hope they don't get me with brokerage charges (even though it's duty/tax free) |
| 00:04:30 | kergoth | file: just use phoenix man. |
| 00:04:32 | sorphin | prpplague: indeed |
| 00:04:40 | sorphin | file: yup |
| 00:04:46 | sorphin | heh, i use phoenix |
| 00:04:53 | sorphin | i only ever have one prob w/ it |
| 00:04:54 | file | what's phoenix? |
| 00:05:09 | kergoth | file: new gecko based browser. http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ |
| 00:05:09 | sorphin | occasionally, it won't allow me to open any more urls.. |
| 00:05:17 | kergoth | wierd. what ver? |
| 00:05:19 | kergoth | i havent seen that yet |
| 00:05:21 | sorphin | fairly light weight and getting smaller |
| 00:05:23 | kergoth | im on the latest nightly atm |
| 00:05:25 | sorphin | kergoth: all of em |
| 00:05:28 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:05:41 | file | tried it already |
| 00:05:46 | file | S-L-O-W on my P133 40mb of RAM laptop |
| 00:05:54 | file | it took a few minutes to start |
| 00:06:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:06:17 | kergoth | upgrade |
| 00:06:21 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:06:24 | file | why? |
| 00:06:29 | kergoth | because thats a piece of shit |
| 00:06:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:06:34 | file | is sick and tired of everybody telling him to upgrade |
| 00:06:41 | file | Frankly I don't have the money and don't feel the need to |
| 00:06:41 | kergoth | imho, if you cant run apps, you've got a problem |
| 00:07:02 | kergoth | I havent spent money on this box in 2 years |
| 00:07:15 | kergoth | and its sufficient to run any app i want to run, and quite a number of instances of any of them |
| 00:07:29 | file | I run all the apps I need/want. |
| 00:07:49 | kergoth | yes, because you dont know any better |
| 00:07:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:07:57 | file | brb - gotta reset ADSL Modem |
| 00:08:02 | prpplague | anyone know what the syntax is to create a aliased ip address on a nic? |
| 00:08:08 | file | kergoth: I've never done gaming, only browsing/email/coding |
| 00:08:19 | file | so getting a high end computer system and graphics card makes no sense |
| 00:08:20 | kergoth | i'm not referring to gaming |
| 00:08:21 | kergoth | i dont game |
| 00:08:22 | file | anyway |
| 00:08:22 | file | brb |
| 00:08:24 | kergoth | not often anyway |
| 00:08:25 | sorphin | kergoth: he's only 15, give him time :P |
| 00:08:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:09:32 | prpplague | nm |
| 00:15:43 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: adding a pixil.mk to the tuxscreen-buildroot... thats a very good sign |
| 00:28:13 | cpenguin_home | Its frickin freezing, Mr Biggelsworth |
| 00:28:44 | sorphin | in utah? puhleez |
| 00:29:53 | cpenguin_home | bah |
| 00:31:38 | cpenguin_home | is from wyoming... I have seen cold that would give sorphin nightmares |
| 00:31:59 | sorphin | doubt it |
| 00:32:06 | sorphin | has lived in central WI |
| 00:32:20 | file | is in Canada |
| 00:32:29 | cpenguin_home | kids stuff |
| 00:32:31 | kergoth | lives in MN atm |
| 00:32:39 | file | where beavers run the generators that power my computer |
| 00:37:17 | cpenguin_home | and as a side note, I would like to note that a frosty -62 was measured in here in Utah last year |
| 00:39:41 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: cool, what about the z? |
| 00:39:59 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: I don't have a Z.... only an Ipaq |
| 00:40:05 | cpenguin_home | "There is no Z only Ipaq" |
| 00:40:40 | cpenguin_home | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jordanc jordanc 60028 Oct 24 18:30 pixilwm |
| 00:41:28 | cpenguin_home | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jordanc jordanc 70984 Oct 24 00:08 nano-X |
| 00:41:46 | cpenguin_home | Geez, what I am going to do with the other 3.9 megs? |
| 00:41:55 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: we had close to that when i was in central wi ;p |
| 00:42:10 | sorphin | the real fun was 4ft of snow + drifts beginning of april |
| 00:45:24 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i'll send you one if you'd do pixil |
| 00:46:00 | file | cpenguin_home: don't do it - it's a trap |
| 00:46:08 | cpenguin_home | lol |
| 00:46:24 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: if we open pixil, its a deal |
| 00:46:28 | sorphin | file: nah, he doesn't live in canada, his stuff will show up ;) |
| 00:46:41 | file | sorphin: bah |
| 00:51:51 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: I do live in Utah... thats almost as bad. If prpplague ships any p0rn with it, I'll never see it |
| 00:52:18 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:56:11 | cpenguin_home | Now I guess I need to actually put a useful app on the tuxscreen now that I have this purty window manager |
| 00:56:23 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:56:34 | jacques | which wm? |
| 00:56:41 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: i'm sure he can hide it well, just disguise it as a POS app ;) |
| 00:59:10 | cpenguin_home | hmmm... X decided to take a little trip |
| 00:59:23 | jacques | ??? x not working? |
| 00:59:37 | jacques | anyone have recent buildroot tinyx working with ts ? |
| 01:00:06 | cpenguin_home | jacques: desktop X |
| 01:00:25 | jacques | cpenguin_home: ah :-) |
| 01:01:08 | cpenguin_home | is away: getting chinese food |
| 01:23:41 | Sammy | morning all |
| 01:45:11 | cpenguin_home | is back (gone 00:44:03) |
| 02:07:46 | cpenguin_home | hey andersee, does the -ldl libary work in uclibc? |
| 02:19:55 | andersee | cpenguin_home: yes |
| 02:20:08 | cpenguin_home | damn |
| 02:20:16 | cpenguin_home | pixilwm: unhandled page fault at pc=0x89c08920, lr=0xc4830000 (bad address=0x89) |
| 02:20:46 | andersee | cpenguin_home: I believe there is a problem with dlopen on powerpc with PIC code.. |
| 02:20:52 | andersee | cpenguin_home: on arm? |
| 02:21:07 | andersee | cpenguin_home: latest uClibc? |
| 02:21:28 | cpenguin_home | is last month still latest? |
| 02:21:41 | andersee | mostly. Some updats since then... |
| 02:22:22 | cpenguin_home | What offset in the assembly should I look at? I don't know where an ELF image starts on the ARM |
| 02:27:30 | file3 | my ISP is having problems |
| 02:27:38 | file3 | I think their ATM is screwed |
| 02:28:45 | file3 | maybe DSLAM... |
| 02:29:11 | andersee | cpenguin_home: for starters. run the tests under uClibc/tests/ldso |
| 02:29:33 | cpenguin_home | k... let me disable the -ldl to make sure this isn't my bad |
| 02:30:38 | file3 | ok it's out again |
| 02:31:47 | cpenguin_home | andersee: its not the -ldl |
| 02:31:49 | cpenguin_home | dman |
| 02:31:53 | cpenguin_home | damn even |
| 02:32:25 | file3 | has a ping running on google and... well... he can't ping google |
| 02:32:53 | andersee | cpenguin_home: Tried running the app under gdb? |
| 02:32:55 | file3 | yet I can ping my ISP's webserver which is on the same system |
| 02:33:04 | andersee | cpenguin_home: is the app multi-threaded? |
| 02:33:06 | cpenguin_home | Its on the tuxscreen.... |
| 02:33:08 | cpenguin_home | andersee: no |
| 02:33:13 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 02:33:18 | cpenguin_home | Its obviously my bad |
| 02:33:36 | andersee | Want to try debugging it on my netwinder? |
| 02:33:39 | cpenguin_home | (though it *does* run on my desktop... :) ) |
| 02:33:51 | cpenguin_home | Nah - I'll get it |
| 02:34:03 | file3 | andersee: your Netwinder rocks |
| 02:35:16 | file3 | come on... fix the darn problem Aliant... I want to track my parcel |
| 02:36:36 | andersee | cpenguin_home: perhaps an alignment problem? |
| 02:37:10 | andersee | file3: yup, it does. I've got 256 Mb ram in it... |
| 02:37:41 | cpenguin_home | maybe.... |
| 02:37:53 | file3 | andersee: how much is free? :) |
| 02:38:00 | andersee | none of course. |
| 02:38:07 | andersee | :) |
| 02:38:08 | file3 | I knew it! :) |
| 02:38:26 | cpenguin_home | I just want to try to figure out what offset this thing is crashing at |
| 02:38:30 | andersee | file3: I've got a 20 GB disk running ext3 on it, which is also nice. |
| 02:38:41 | file3 | twitches |
| 02:38:51 | file3 | come on Aliant... fix this before I get more irritated |
| 02:39:06 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 02:47:04 | file3 | am I still here? |
| 02:49:01 | as_ | Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I would say yes. |
| 02:57:41 | cpenguin_home | screams! |
| 02:57:59 | cpenguin_home | smacks himself upside the head |
| 03:03:58 | sorphin | puts a 2x4 in your hand |
| 03:04:13 | cpenguin_home | uses it |
| 03:11:07 | cpenguin_home | uses it again |
| 03:11:56 | sorphin | on yourself or a misbehaving object? |
| 04:02:08 | prpplague | yeeeee dogieeeee, its midnight, let the fun begin |
| 04:04:43 | sorphin | tosses prpplague a beer |
| 04:06:04 | prpplague | sorphin: no beer yet, i've got less than 8 to get this shit going |
| 04:07:43 | sorphin | . o O ( no beer and no women make prpplague something something ) |
| 04:10:11 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 04:16:16 | sorphin | grins |
| 04:20:29 | cpenguin_home | waits for a DoS attack from the bananna republic |
| 04:23:09 | sorphin | um.. ok |
| 04:23:43 | cpenguin_home | (cosmic->humor > sorphin->head); |
| 04:25:34 | sorphin | no, i'm just not from utah, so my humor isn't as lame ;p |
| 04:25:46 | cpenguin_home | Good thing I'm not from Utah either |
| 04:26:32 | sorphin | well, from as in living there now, so you're enough from there ;p |
| 04:27:02 | cpenguin_home | parsing sentence...... (segmentation fault) |
| 04:27:56 | sorphin | musta been microwindows crashing again |
| 04:28:48 | scanline | gdb cpenguin_home |
| 04:29:09 | scanline | CFLAGS=-g make cpenguin_home |
| 04:29:14 | scanline | valgrind cpenguin_home |
| 04:29:30 | sorphin | mv cpenguin_home /dev/null :P |
| 04:30:04 | bmidgley | how do i search the logs for this chatroom? |
| 04:30:33 | sorphin | has yet to see consistant logging |
| 04:30:35 | scanline | you have to bury the logs in a haystack first, then write what you're looking for on a needle :) |
| 04:30:41 | scanline | or use google |
| 04:31:07 | bmidgley | LIM found a divide-by-zero error in fbtuxcal |
| 04:31:12 | bmidgley | but i can't remember where |
| 04:31:32 | bmidgley | it was because the ioctls were failing |
| 04:31:39 | scanline | Isn't fbtuxcal obsolete now that the calibration isn't done in kernel? |
| 04:31:54 | bmidgley | yes. i'd like to use it for discovering the correction |
| 04:32:05 | bmidgley | and use a userspace daemon to do the correcting |
| 04:32:24 | scanline | what GUI are you using? It should be the GUIs job to do calibration, at least for now |
| 04:32:37 | bmidgley | x |
| 04:33:08 | bmidgley | i believe it reads directly from the ts device |
| 04:33:20 | bmidgley | i could fake it out with a fifo |
| 04:33:21 | scanline | mmkay.. I'm not familiar with running X on the tux, but there should be code in the X server to handle calibration, and a userspace program bundled with X to do the calibration |
| 04:33:42 | cpenguin_home | I'm not sure if anyone bothered to make a calibration tool |
| 04:34:01 | bmidgley | tinyx doesn't even have a config file ...? |
| 04:34:16 | bmidgley | or it's optional |
| 04:34:19 | scanline | only knows about running microwindows and picogui on the tux |
| 04:34:39 | cpenguin_home | bmidgley: it doesn't have a config file - everything is handled at compile time for size considerations |
| 04:34:46 | scanline | I'd be surprised if they didn't have a calibration tool... doesn't the iPaq need one too? |
| 04:35:03 | cpenguin_home | Yeah, but the Ipaq still has a kernel based calibration |
| 04:35:08 | scanline | ohh |
| 04:35:22 | scanline | didn't know the ipaq did calibration in the kernel |
| 04:35:25 | cpenguin_home | At least I think - RMK likes changing that stuff on a dime |
| 04:35:31 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:35:42 | kergoth | afaik there isnt calibration in kernel in any of rmk's trees |
| 04:35:52 | cpenguin_home | 2.4.7 sure did |
| 04:35:53 | kergoth | there's his tslib one can utilize for such things |
| 04:35:57 | kergoth | but thats user space |
| 04:36:04 | scanline | the only experience I have with the ipaq touchscreen is the ipaq touchscreen driver for picogui that was submitted, and it reads uncalibrated data from the kernel |
| 04:36:23 | cpenguin_home | like I said, I don't know if the Ipaq has changed since then |
| 04:36:31 | scanline | nods |
| 04:36:50 | kergoth | i dont see why the CRL folks dont just get their stuff pushed upstream |
| 04:37:06 | kergoth | other than political issues of course |
| 04:37:07 | cpenguin_home | kergoth: like what? |
| 04:37:15 | scanline | probably the same reason there are so many arguments on #handhelds.org |
| 04:37:25 | kergoth | like 99.9% of the ipaq support |
| 04:37:29 | kergoth | which is only in the hh.org kernels |
| 04:37:31 | kergoth | adn not upstream |
| 04:37:37 | kergoth | the ipaq apm driver |
| 04:37:40 | kergoth | the ipaq touchscreen drivers |
| 04:37:41 | cpenguin_home | kergoth: ahh... I agree |
| 04:37:42 | kergoth | etc |
| 04:38:03 | cpenguin_home | Is CRL or RMK holding that up? |
| 04:38:28 | kergoth | political |
| 04:38:31 | bmidgley | CRL=? |
| 04:38:34 | kergoth | from all the discussions i've read on the lists... |
| 04:38:41 | cpenguin_home | bmidgley: well, at long as you get data from the touchscreen, you should be good to go |
| 04:39:18 | cpenguin_home | The most common way to calibrate is to take 5 data points from the screen, and extrapolate the raw values based on the pixil values |
| 04:39:19 | bmidgley | are we going to get kernel calib back or should i tear out the ioctls? |
| 04:39:32 | bmidgley | #if 0 etc |
| 04:39:50 | cpenguin_home | bmidgley: no kernel calib.... Linux is trying to get away from that |
| 04:39:54 | scanline | bmidgley: IIRC fbtuxcal used a simple min/max calibration... there are better methods |
| 04:40:13 | cpenguin_home | scanline: what do you use in picogui? |
| 04:40:24 | bmidgley | don't you just translate one rectangle to another (ie linearly) |
| 04:40:31 | kergoth | hugs the linux input layer |
| 04:40:50 | cpenguin_home | bmidgley: basically |
| 04:40:51 | scanline | cpenguin_home: same system of linear equations method microwindows uses. Most of the picogui touchscreen code is based on the VR3 calibrator, which used microwindows |
| 04:41:03 | cpenguin_home | scanline: thats some ugly code though, eh? |
| 04:41:10 | scanline | cpenguin_home: it's been cleaned up a lot |
| 04:41:17 | cpenguin_home | scanline: care to share? |
| 04:41:25 | scanline | cpenguin_home: sure, it's in CVS :) |
| 04:41:31 | scanline | all GPL'ed |
| 04:41:41 | cpenguin_home | I'll grab it then.... Bradley LaRonde's inital code was a bit iffy |
| 04:42:19 | scanline | cpenguin_home: picogui has a "input filters" system that lets you plug in modules that modify the stream of incoming events. Touchscreen support is implemented as one of these modules, plus a client-side calibration tool |
| 04:42:36 | cpenguin_home | cool |
| 04:43:11 | cpenguin_home | needs to try and sneak client side calibration past Greg |
| 04:43:33 | scanline | How is calibration sent to the server now, just reads it from a file or something? |
| 04:43:50 | cpenguin_home | scanline: sadly, thats exactly how it works |
| 04:44:00 | scanline | so it can't change calibration at runtime? |
| 04:44:20 | scanline | s/at runtime/without restarting/ |
| 04:44:26 | cpenguin_home | nope - Alex Holden wrote code to do that, but Greg rejected it |
| 04:44:33 | scanline | why? |
| 04:45:15 | cpenguin_home | scanline: he didn't think its nessesary - he's alot like Linus in that he likes to control the tree |
| 04:45:30 | cpenguin_home | But i have a good record of getting him to stick things in |
| 04:45:36 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:45:39 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya the ipaq's tinyx build needs the kernel to do the calibration |
| 04:45:51 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i was digging into that on the plane |
| 04:45:55 | scanline | is more the kind of person that will rewrite a major subsystem without telling anybody three times a week ;) |
| 04:45:57 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: yeah, thats what I thought |
| 04:47:31 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: which is a pain since i'm trying to run it on the z |
| 04:47:41 | prpplague | scanline: btw, thanks again for the ts help |
| 04:47:44 | jacques | dang you're talking about ts driver and calibration and nobody called me |
| 04:47:56 | scanline | cpenguin_home: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/if_touchscreen.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <-- this is the server-side calibration module |
| 04:47:57 | cpenguin_home | is the head of the Century Sofware Skunkworks Division |
| 04:48:00 | prpplague | jacques: are you a tinyx guru? |
| 04:48:11 | scanline | prpplague: no problem, hope I gave you accurate information :) |
| 04:48:20 | jacques | guru? I seriously doubt it |
| 04:48:22 | prpplague | scanline: ya it was big help |
| 04:48:29 | scanline | prpplague: glad to help :) |
| 04:48:30 | | jacques is running rxvt quite well on the tux, tho it requires a bit of mucking with ptys |
| 04:48:30 | cpenguin_home | ibot: jacques |
| 04:48:43 | cpenguin_home | Sounds like a guru to me |
| 04:49:04 | scanline | cpenguin_home: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/apps/tpcal/ <-- and this is the actual calibration app |
| 04:49:08 | jacques | i actually wrote a slib based ts driver for tinyx on the tux |
| 04:49:12 | jacques | but it was too slow |
| 04:49:23 | jacques | tslib based |
| 04:49:56 | bmidgley | scanline: excellent |
| 04:50:02 | jacques | but I was emailing with a guy at montavista today who wrote one recently with much newer tslib and emailed matches to jim gettys |
| 04:50:10 | prpplague | jacques: hmm, i've got to do something about tinyx ts on the z |
| 04:50:14 | jacques | so maybe something will happen soon |
| 04:50:18 | scanline | GPL, share and enjoy :) |
| 04:50:47 | bmidgley | prpplague: the z? |
| 04:50:52 | cpenguin_home | scanline: I like the transforms.c file |
| 04:50:53 | cpenguin_home | It looks good |
| 04:50:59 | prpplague | bmidgley: zaurus |
| 04:51:24 | scanline | cpenguin_home: that's almost verbatim ripped from the VR3's calibrator |
| 04:51:48 | prpplague | scanline: ya i looked at that too, i'm hoping i can use that too |
| 04:51:50 | jacques | prpplague: what's the ts issue on the z? |
| 04:52:06 | cpenguin_home | scanline: Yep - good ol tpcal.... |
| 04:52:24 | cpenguin_home | has used tpcal several times, usually on MIPS processors |
| 04:53:02 | scanline | Works nicely on the Zaurus, tuxscreen, and Helio too |
| 04:53:07 | prpplague | jacques: the z's ts is outputing on the /dev/ts a matrix of 1024x1024 while the kdrive build of tinyx is hardcoded for a pixel for pixel match of 240x320 |
| 04:53:22 | scanline | picogui's input filters make the hardware-specific code for a device very small |
| 04:53:51 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/h3600ts.c?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <-- ipaq driver |
| 04:53:55 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: thats easy enough to change |
| 04:54:19 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya? |
| 04:54:35 | scanline | ha.. I just realized there's some code in that driver that's not used |
| 04:54:37 | scanline | yanks |
| 04:54:57 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i was hoping to implement it with a fifo and a daemon but add a better calibration technique |
| 04:55:24 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i'm currently using something that mdz on #zaurus whiped up |
| 04:55:46 | bmidgley | they have some decent techniques in there |
| 04:56:12 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: ahh.... |
| 04:56:26 | scanline | thinks it's funny that the driver architecture in X is so messed up people would rather write a daemon for calibration :) |
| 04:56:55 | cpenguin_home | scanline: the X11 architecture was established long before anyone thought of using a touchscreen on it |
| 04:57:03 | scanline | nods |
| 04:57:22 | scanline | I also think it's funny that X people generally think X "extenstions" will solve everything |
| 04:57:29 | bmidgley | prpplague: i thought about modding jamd to do this but that might be overkill |
| 04:57:50 | bmidgley | prpplague: can you share the mdz example? |
| 04:57:53 | scanline | If I could have one wish with regard to X, I'd have the video drivers separated out into a library so other projects could use all the work poured into hardware reverse engineering for XFree86 |
| 04:57:56 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: so how do you handle the conversion? Does the driver read a file, or what? |
| 04:58:05 | prpplague | bmidgley: ya its in the openzaurs build root |
| 04:58:29 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: right now its handled by simple min/max values |
| 04:58:54 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: doesn't even save between session |
| 04:59:07 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: Yeah, I can see that. But to change the calibration settings, you would need to write a file or something |
| 04:59:21 | cpenguin_home | there is no API for passing the data through |
| 05:00:09 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya i'd probably just write a small file with some values, min,max,multiplier |
| 05:00:30 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: and restart X after you calibrate? |
| 05:00:39 | scanline | prpplague: best to use a system of two linear equations |
| 05:00:42 | cpenguin_home | can here scanline snikering in the background |
| 05:00:47 | scanline | nods :) |
| 05:00:50 | cpenguin_home | s/here/hear/ |
| 05:01:04 | prpplague | bmidgley: i can't get to the openzaurus bkbit site from here but its http://openzaurus.bkbits.com |
| 05:01:31 | prpplague | scanline: agreed, i figured i start with the basics and then move up |
| 05:01:32 | scanline | In picogui, the calibrator just passes a touchscreen calibration event to the server-side input filter, and the server uses it right away and can optionally write it to a file |
| 05:01:37 | scanline | :) |
| 05:02:08 | cpenguin_home | In about 24 hours, so will Microwindows. Maybe even 12 hours if I get bored at work tommorrow |
| 05:02:11 | bmidgley | i am in openzaurus cvs (sf.net) |
| 05:02:14 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: naw, i figured i'd have a cal app that would right the file, |
| 05:02:19 | bmidgley | what package? |
| 05:02:29 | scanline | prpplague: well, a min/max method isn't necessarily easiler, since you have to deal with rotation and flipping and such manually |
| 05:02:32 | scanline | cpenguin_home: spiffy |
| 05:02:38 | prpplague | bmidgley: tinyx, its in the tarball |
| 05:02:43 | cpenguin_home | scanline: its all because of you... :) |
| 05:02:46 | scanline | prpplague: a generic linear transformation Just Works (tm) |
| 05:03:05 | prpplague | scanline: i have to understand a linear transformation for it to work :) |
| 05:03:16 | scanline | cpenguin_home: At least you don't react like the Opie folks... seems whenever I come up with some neat feature they just claim they don't need it :) |
| 05:03:32 | scanline | cpenguin_home: things like, say, antialiased fonts... |
| 05:03:52 | bmidgley | argh, no tinyx in what i got (the only tiny is tinylogin) |
| 05:04:10 | cpenguin_home | scanline: I know this.... try mentioning pixil to the OPE folks |
| 05:04:12 | scanline | prpplague: just a vector times a matrix plus another vector... you can read the source code to the VR3 tpcal or picogui if in doubt |
| 05:04:21 | scanline | cpenguin_home: I'm not that brave |
| 05:07:08 | cpenguin_home | Ok. I got the Pixil WM working on the tuxscreen, my C++ class for talking to the tuxphone dameon is partially working, and I have a gigantic todo list |
| 05:07:11 | cpenguin_home | So I'm going to bed |
| 05:07:13 | bmidgley | prpplague: i found a ref to tinyx at openzaurus.bkbits.com but no "download" link |
| 05:07:15 | prpplague | scanline: ya i plan to, while i'm sitting on the beach, _not_ |
| 05:07:21 | cpenguin_home | good night |
| 05:07:26 | scanline | prpplague: oh yeah, you're still on vacation =) |
| 05:07:28 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: night |
| 05:07:30 | scanline | bye cpenguin_home |
| 05:07:42 | prpplague | scanline: lol, no vacation lol |
| 05:07:51 | prpplague | scanline: server switch over tonight |
| 05:08:02 | prpplague | waits for some raid drives to sync |
| 05:08:20 | scanline | VAX to Atari switch? |
| 05:08:43 | prpplague | bmidgley: it should be there, worst case you could use bk to pull it down |
| 05:08:49 | prpplague | scanline: SCO |
| 05:08:53 | bmidgley | thx |
| 05:08:54 | bmidgley | br |
| 05:08:55 | prpplague | scanline: to linux |
| 05:08:56 | bmidgley | brb |
| 05:14:59 | scanline | prpplague: same thing |
| 05:22:06 | prpplague | scanline: lol |
| 05:23:17 | prpplague | scanline: more like switching from a mental patient who thinks he's a doctor to a doctor who treats mental patients |
| 05:23:34 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:27:39 | prpplague | waits for dat tape to extract |
| 05:34:36 | andersee | prpplague: might as well go to bed then... |
| 05:34:37 | andersee | :) |
| 05:38:30 | prpplague | andersee: lol |
| 05:38:51 | prpplague | andersee: ya, i got about 30 more minutes of data to extract |
| 05:39:17 | prpplague | andersee: fortunately, they have a room with a shower/bathroom and bed right next to the server room |
| 05:39:34 | scanline | That must be fun when the toilet overflows |
| 05:39:38 | andersee | I've got 3 tapes drive here in my office, and they are all slow... |
| 05:40:00 | andersee | The fastest tape drives I've seen are those new Ecrix ones |
| 05:41:20 | andersee | I had one on loan -- totally silent too. All the other tape drives I've seen sound like a 747 taking off |
| 05:41:41 | andersee | give or take a few decibels |
| 05:41:56 | scanline | used to sleep next to a machine that made automatic backups to an old TR-4 2GB tape drive... that sucker was loud |
| 05:43:05 | andersee | I still have one of the old 125/250MB tape drives in a box somewhere in my basement |
| 05:43:31 | scanline | The kind that plugged into a floppy disk controller? |
| 05:43:40 | andersee | yup |
| 05:43:43 | scanline | has one of those |
| 05:43:46 | scanline | somewhere |
| 05:45:23 | prpplague | andersee: ya this has 1 seagate 12-24gb dat drive and a SLR 100gb tape drive |
| 05:45:50 | prpplague | andersee: there are pretty quite but the dat is slower that molassis on a january morning |
| 05:46:32 | prpplague | andersee: better yet, slower than the koreans are at providing source code..... |
| 05:47:31 | prpplague | god i'm ready for this night to be over with |
| 05:47:56 | andersee | I have one of those Segate scorpion drives. Terribly loud -- but I supose most of that is the fan in the external scsi housing |
| 05:48:35 | andersee | At max, DDS-4 goes at like 1.75 MB/sec (uncompressed) |
| 05:48:36 | prpplague | andersee: ya the noise part of this quad is all the fans |
| 05:49:18 | prpplague | andersee: yep, and there is actually a scsi bug in linux that actually causes dat's to run slow |
| 05:49:29 | andersee | prpplague: oh? |
| 05:50:44 | prpplague | andersee: ya, i read a posting somewhere where the scsi guru said something about not getting some docs from dat makers to correctly implement the interface |
| 05:53:08 | prpplague | andersee: you ever known redhat to put a binary on their cd's that doesn't match the source? |
| 05:55:22 | andersee | prpplague: Hmm. I couldn't say really. I've seen Caldera do that. I've never seem it with redhat, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. |
| 05:56:30 | prpplague | andersee: i built the telnetd from rhat's sorry, and i'm finding lots of odd differences, makes me wonder if they aren't from the same source |
| 05:57:01 | prpplague | s/sorry/source i hate autocorrect |
| 05:58:34 | prpplague | andersee: what are you working on this evening? |
| 05:58:37 | andersee | Or perhaps the compiler differs |
| 05:58:42 | andersee | toolchain stuff |
| 05:59:05 | andersee | A company asked me to update their toolchain for them w/the latest uClibc |
| 05:59:56 | andersee | I've also been building a standalone uClibc development system (fileutils, textutils, shellutils, findutils, bash, sed, gawk, make, gcc) |
| 06:00:36 | andersee | I have all those compiled up now. I'm tracking an obscure uClibc stdio bug triggered by gcc's collect2 |
| 06:01:23 | prpplague | andersee: interesting |
| 06:01:30 | andersee | My goal is the use the standalone uClibc system to bootstrap a Debian distro using only uClibc |
| 06:01:51 | prpplague | andersee: nice, that would be really cool for small systems |
| 06:02:30 | andersee | Which I will then recomment people use when doing cross-configuration to avoid the painful stuff with badly behaved configure scripts |
| 06:02:40 | prpplague | andersee: the differences are on this are kinda subtle, found several places where wording is different, and where debug output is different |
| 06:02:50 | andersee | hmm |
| 06:03:25 | prpplague | andersee: probably something i'm doing, but none the less, its the first time i've seen it occure |
| 06:03:49 | prpplague | andersee: sounds like another great notch on your programming belt |
| 06:04:19 | prpplague | i really wish i had more time to concentrate on embedded linux |
| 06:04:32 | prpplague | but you have to do what pays the bills :( |
| 06:46:09 | andersee | Well that was fun |
| 06:55:53 | prpplague | more fun than than if your were a police officer with a plunger, a criminal, and some time on your hands |
| 07:07:52 | andersee | prpplague: I think that only works in New York. |
| 07:10:37 | prpplague | andersee: ahh |
| 07:13:18 | prpplague | andersee: how about more fun than the only male senior citizen with a bottle of viagra at a widows convention in vegas? |
| 07:17:29 | andersee | Evening BZFlag |
| 07:31:22 | BZFlag | -BZFlag- VERSION xchat 1.8.10 Linux 2.5.44 [i686/647MHz] |
| 07:31:25 | BZFlag | evening |
| 07:40:50 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy |
| 07:41:54 | bmidgley | prpplague: any way to get that calib helper in tinyx.tar.gz short of downloading bitkeeper? |
| 07:42:32 | prpplague | bmidgley: hmm, normally i'd say yes, i'm just out of town right now, let me see what i can do |
| 07:46:02 | prpplague | bmidgley: you should be able to dl that tarbal from the bkbit sites, i'm looking now to see if i have it on my laptop |
| 07:46:39 | prpplague | bmidgley: ahh your in luck |
| 07:46:43 | prpplague | bmidgley: can you dcc? |
| 07:46:56 | bmidgley | go ahead |
| 07:47:28 | prpplague | see if that will go through |
| 07:48:08 | prpplague | bmidgley: hmm doesn't seem to be accepting |
| 07:48:14 | prpplague | bmidgley: got an email address? |
| 07:48:23 | bmidgley | bmidgley@xmission.com |
| 07:48:36 | bmidgley | i tried accepting (xchat) but the thing just unselects :( |
| 07:50:24 | bmidgley | my noisy machine is getting me in trouble |
| 07:50:36 | bmidgley | better sign off |
| 07:54:02 | prpplague | bmidgley: otw |
| 08:36:13 | prpplague | mallum: howdy |
| 08:41:01 | mallum | prpplague: hello, up late ? |
| 08:43:13 | prpplague | mallum: big server switch over |
| 08:43:17 | mallum | prpplague: aha |
| 08:43:29 | mallum | prpplague: I installed RH8 last night |
| 08:43:32 | prpplague | mallum: i'm sorry |
| 08:43:51 | mallum | prpplague: ;) |
| 08:43:53 | prpplague | mallum: what do you think? |
| 08:44:06 | mallum | prpplague: Being used to debian, I was suprised at how pretty the installer was |
| 08:44:26 | mallum | prpplague: also it seemed to detect and install drivers for everything which was impressive |
| 08:44:41 | prpplague | mallum: lol, funny, rhat8 has pushed me start loading debian |
| 08:44:45 | mallum | prpplague: even set up dri for my video card which I could get to work before |
| 08:44:54 | prpplague | mallum: hmm |
| 08:45:05 | mallum | s/get/not get/ |
| 08:45:06 | prpplague | mallum: had you used rhat 7.3 before? |
| 08:45:20 | prpplague | mallum: lol, ya i knew what you ment, i do the same |
| 08:45:20 | mallum | no, last redhat I used was like 5.2 I think |
| 08:45:50 | prpplague | mallum: ahh, rhat really jacked with alot of the core stuff in 8 |
| 08:45:55 | mallum | prpplague: they patched the xserver too, to have a all black background, rather than the thated effect ? |
| 08:47:31 | prpplague | 3 hours 10 minutes left before go live on the new servers |
| 08:47:59 | prpplague | mallum: have you tried building any of gpe yet on the rhat8? |
| 08:54:14 | mallum | prpplague: no I only installed it and played around a bit |
| 08:55:54 | prpplague | mallum: you'll need upgrade a ton of stuff, autoconf, automake, cvs, make, |
| 08:56:06 | prpplague | mallum: and the list goes on and on |
| 09:14:03 | mallum | prpplague: yah I can imagine |
| 09:16:48 | prpplague | 2:45 |
| 09:18:36 | prpplague | 2 hours 45 minutes to go..... |
| 09:29:12 | mallum | what time is it there ? |
| 09:29:52 | LIM | x:30 |
| 09:34:53 | prpplague | mallum: 5:35am |
| 09:35:42 | mallum | ouch :( |
| 09:36:17 | LIM | what is that, 4th shift? |
| 09:36:35 | prpplague | 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th :] |
| 09:36:54 | LIM | you trying tou have a 5 day weekend? |
| 09:37:17 | prpplague | LIM: lol, naw, big server switch over |
| 09:38:17 | LIM | ah, heheh |
| 09:38:19 | LIM | nasty |
| 09:38:35 | prpplague | LIM: you don't even wanna know how nasty |
| 09:38:40 | LIM | no I don't. |
| 09:39:06 | LIM | I woke up at 12:45 |
| 09:39:06 | LIM | am |
| 09:39:16 | LIM | it's 4:40am now. |
| 09:39:38 | LIM | why? because I have no idea of a normal sleeping schedule. |
| 09:40:15 | prpplague | lol |
| 09:41:31 | LIM | goes a hardware huntin |
| 11:18:37 | prpplague | alrighty then, let the fun begin!!!! |
| 13:03:10 | prpplague | yeeeee dogieeee, man we are having fun now |
| 14:14:00 | prpplague | holy hardware, its TomW |
| 14:14:08 | prpplague | TomW: longtime no chat |
| 14:14:19 | TomW | heh |
| 14:15:11 | TomW | Yeah, been busy with a lot of stuff lately. Also had to revamp the linux workstation and the xchat stuff took a low priority to get running again. |
| 14:15:40 | prpplague | TomW: man you'd be proud of me, got my switch regulator running well |
| 14:15:48 | TomW | I even see andersee logged in today. Must be a full moon or something? |
| 14:16:05 | andersee | TomW: or a long night |
| 14:16:06 | andersee | :) |
| 14:16:14 | TomW | lol |
| 14:16:37 | TomW | prpplague: that analog stuff really does work, eh? |
| 14:18:06 | prpplague | TomW: lol, yep, learning alot lately |
| 14:18:09 | TomW | I did a wholesale cleaning up of the workshop and tossed a lot of crap into the trash. It looks like I have room now to permanently setup the tuxscreen and get back to playing with it again. |
| 14:18:30 | TomW | best way to learn, build stuff that doesn't work then fix it! |
| 14:18:51 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:19:10 | TomW | works for me! They call it "experience". |
| 14:20:11 | prpplague | works for me too |
| 14:20:33 | TomW | Are you building the boards up now? I am interested to see how that SDRAM stuff works out. I don't have much experience with SDRAM and would like to see how it goes. |
| 14:21:32 | prpplague | TomW: not yet, we are still working on the layout |
| 14:21:43 | TomW | how many layers so far? |
| 14:22:05 | prpplague | TomW: to be honest i'm not handling that part of it |
| 14:22:56 | TomW | The guy that is doing the SA board at this end is claiming he needs 12 layers to do it. I think that is a bit high... |
| 14:23:39 | TomW | BUT, let him do the board, accept the responsibility for screwing up the wiring and I'll stick to the software on this one. |
| 14:24:04 | prpplague | TomW: ya that sounds escessive |
| 14:24:52 | TomW | I was reading over the RESET circuitry for the Cirrus 7312 ARM720 chip, that is a complicated bit of conditions just to achieve a RESET. |
| 14:25:44 | TomW | ... nothing like a MAX690 toggling a single pin like on the 8051. |
| 14:28:20 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:15:19) |
| 14:28:29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague! DId it go well? |
| 14:28:54 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: he says his switching regulator works. |
| 14:32:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya not too bad, we only had some minor permission problems |
| 14:32:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are up to around 1500 users running right now |
| 14:34:36 | prpplague | TomW: lol, 8051 is nice piece of work |
| 14:35:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm hopeing to get out of here in an hour or so |
| 14:35:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm on 23 hours now |
| 14:35:29 | CosmicPenguin | woohoo! |
| 14:37:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, i'm headed to the beach, i'm not even gonna change, i'm gonna take a pair of scissors to pants and shirt |
| 14:43:32 | kergoth`out | prpplague: have a good time |
| 14:43:41 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 14:44:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: drink lots of boat drinks in memory of your friends still stuck in good ol' #tuxscreen |
| 14:44:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, just beer |
| 14:45:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how about i go to the topless beach in memory of #tuxscreen? |
| 14:46:16 | kergoth | i say, both! |
| 14:46:23 | CosmicPenguin | works for me |
| 14:46:26 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:46:28 | prpplague | ok then |
| 14:46:34 | CosmicPenguin | so is andersee still here, or did he just forget to logout? |
| 14:47:01 | prpplague | not sure, he hasn't blessed use with his wisdom since around 1 or 2 am |
| 14:47:15 | | andersee was last seen on #uclibc 11 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: I started on it one day, but I've not gotten back to it [Fri Oct 25 08:36:11 2002] |
| 14:47:15 | prpplague | ibot: seen andersee |
| 14:48:23 | CosmicPenguin | I was pulling my hair out with a segfault on the tuxscreen last night, and I hastely blamed it on -ldl in uclibc |
| 14:48:27 | TomW | Eric did make a reply to my comment that he was logged in. Probably just lurking. |
| 14:49:17 | CosmicPenguin | So I feel sorry and want to apologize |
| 14:49:41 | andersee | hehe |
| 14:49:45 | andersee | No problem |
| 14:49:47 | CosmicPenguin | Turns out it was a mmap() call I added to my XML library to make it work faster on the X86 |
| 14:50:02 | CosmicPenguin | mmap + JFFS = page fault |
| 14:50:07 | andersee | Hmm |
| 14:51:00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thats why the page fault wasn't in the program memory space |
| 14:53:03 | andersee | Gotcha. |
| 14:55:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I got my C++ interface to the tuxphone daemon working... now I can use it with FLTK... :) |
| 14:56:14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: wahoo! |
| 14:57:25 | CosmicPenguin | tphone->dial("5551234"); |
| 15:04:28 | prpplague | cool |
| 15:04:47 | prpplague | sjhill: yo! crack baby! |
| 15:05:23 | sjhill | prpplague: dude! |
| 15:08:29 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin today? |
| 15:09:04 | sjhill | more userland crap for mips |
| 15:09:35 | prpplague | adding /proc/tologist ? |
| 15:10:48 | sjhill | hehe...something like that |
| 15:11:40 | CosmicPenguin | hey, thats a good idea |
| 15:11:53 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:12:10 | CosmicPenguin | will do that someday, in homage of prpplague |
| 15:13:52 | prpplague | "hello digi tech support! yes, yes, have you checked the /proc/tologist, it has a value of 1? ok its official your an asshole! click!" |
| 15:15:10 | kergoth | woot's and wishes he could use that |
| 15:16:02 | prpplague | wobbles with lack of food and sleep, as well as over use of coffee |
| 15:19:53 | CosmicPenguin | reads prpplague's message and spits coffee everywhere |
| 15:21:02 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:22:05 | CosmicPenguin | That is one of the funniest damn things I have ever read |
| 15:25:16 | prpplague | gets crazy with lack of sleep |
| 15:29:26 | TomW | hooboy! |
| 15:31:18 | fontenot | TomW: ??? is it really you? |
| 15:33:37 | TomW | Naw, this is just a message that has been in the queue for a while and is being forced into delivery... |
| 15:35:19 | TomW | fontenot: you still tinkering with the tux? |
| 15:36:45 | fontenot | TomW: I hadnt messed with it for a few months but lately have started again |
| 15:37:52 | TomW | fontenot: me too, I had recently done some big-time cleaning of the computer workarea and now have room to permanently setup a tux. Also have a computer that will be dedicated to ARM development. |
| 15:38:28 | TomW | fontenot: now that things seem to be slowing down work-wise, I hope to be able to tinker with it more often. |
| 15:38:38 | fontenot | great :-) |
| 15:39:31 | TomW | Yeah, I want to get back the the debian stuff on the IDE drive. I have been thinking of booting the Tux from something like an initrd + lilo combo. |
| 15:40:13 | fontenot | that's right you have an ide drive and decent ram in your tux |
| 15:40:44 | fontenot | my development greatly slowed because i was running out of ram all the time and the reaper was killing my processes |
| 15:42:24 | TomW | did you ever get the larger RAM chips for the mainboard? |
| 15:42:50 | fontenot | no :-( that was right about the time when I started doing other things |
| 15:42:54 | TomW | not the SODIMM, but the chips. |
| 15:43:41 | fontenot | neither |
| 15:43:50 | TomW | fontenot: tell you what, since you are "electrically challenged", you get the chips, send me the Tux and I'll mount the chips for you. |
| 15:44:33 | fontenot | wow that would be great |
| 15:44:39 | fontenot | thanks! |
| 15:44:46 | TomW | That will get you 32Meg on the mainboard. Then all you need is a 4K refresh 32Meg SODIMM and you would have 64Meg in your Tux. |
| 15:45:03 | fontenot | I'll start looking for the chips |
| 15:46:06 | TomW | fontenot: you can probably purchase the chips directly from Micron. IIRC, they have engineering sales services so that design engineers can purchase small quantities of RAM to be used in projects. |
| 15:47:12 | fontenot | that makes sense |
| 15:47:51 | fontenot | do you recall the specs of the ones I would need? |
| 15:49:25 | TomW | MT4LC4M16R6-TG5 should do it. |
| 15:50:41 | TomW | MT4LC4M16R6TG-5 is the correct Micron part number. |
| 15:50:58 | fontenot | thanks! |
| 15:51:03 | fontenot | copied and pasted |
| 15:52:01 | TomW | Hmm, wonder if anyone else would be interested in this? I could maybe order some chips in, if I can still get them, and charge maybe $100 to upgrade the mainboard? |
| 15:52:30 | TomW | not sure what the price of the DRAM is now days. |
| 15:52:52 | fontenot | hmm should find out |
| 15:55:45 | TomW | fontenot: hmm, Arrow Electronics wants $10 a piece for them... |
| 15:56:20 | TomW | www.arrow.com |
| 15:56:53 | fontenot | how many are needed? 4 ? |
| 15:57:01 | TomW | correct |
| 15:57:20 | fontenot | would it be worth your time at that rate? |
| 15:58:55 | TomW | yeah, it would be. Not much profit into it, but I am sure that there are others that want more RAM but are challenged by the SMD stuff. I would rather have more people with Tux's like mine and spur more development than make a lot of money. |
| 15:59:24 | fontenot | cool :-) |
| 15:59:39 | fontenot | yeah I'm sure there are more ppl in that boat |
| 16:00:16 | TomW | We all have "customers" for our "services", we help each other in bettering our skills in the marketplace and we all win, right? |
| 16:00:44 | fontenot | exactly! :-D |
| 16:02:25 | TomW | I have to redo the Tux IDE board. I had an IBM SCSI drive die and it took my PCB files with it. I wasn't backing up that machine for about two months, so it served me to lose some data. :-( |
| 16:02:50 | fontenot | :-( |
| 16:03:01 | fontenot | maybe someone else has the data? |
| 16:04:02 | CosmicPenguin | sorry... |
| 16:04:16 | CosmicPenguin | Wasn't that 'ol SpaceCoaster that was doing all of that? |
| 16:04:38 | TomW | it sucked, but the stuff I was working on at the time was on another physical drive. I recovered everything but that PCB stuff. Fortunately, I placed the schematics + PLD data on the web, that was on another machine so the bulk of the work was preserved. Just need to redo the schematic and PCB layout. |
| 16:06:06 | fontenot | ah |
| 16:07:17 | TomW | IBM refused to warranty the drive! They told me that I had already replaced one drive in that computer a year ago so I must be "abusing" the drives somehow. |
| 16:07:53 | TomW | I told them to pound sand and wouldn't recommend them to anyone. Little consolation that was, eh? |
| 16:09:12 | TomW | I purchased the drives as they had a 5 year warranty on them and expected them to operate for many years. So, I now use ATA-100 IDE drives for my stuff. Cheaper to replace a broken IDE drive than it is to get a new SCSI drive! |
| 16:11:45 | fontenot | that's terrible! |
| 16:11:50 | prpplague | good god i need sleep |
| 16:11:59 | fontenot | IBM recently sold their harddrive division |
| 16:12:15 | fontenot | after the deathstar fiasco |
| 16:14:12 | TomW | fontenot: I wonder why... |
| 16:14:42 | fontenot | heh |
| 16:19:40 | | ACTION shoots prpplague |
| 16:19:40 | prpplague | ibot: shoot me |
| 16:30:49 | | sjhill: excuse me? |
| 16:30:49 | sjhill | ibot: whip me |
| 16:44:38 | TomW | X crashed. |
| 16:45:46 | TomW | This motherboard I have needs a frame buffer to run X with. Problem is that when I switch video modes from the GUI to a text console, it sometimes crashes X. |
| 16:46:05 | TomW | So much for Xfree86 ver 4.0.1... |
| 16:47:22 | CosmicPenguin | 4.0.1? How 1999 |
| 16:47:46 | TomW | :-/ |
| 17:00:22 | fontenot | lol |
| 17:01:29 | fontenot | tho CosmicPenguin has a point IMHO |
| 17:03:41 | TomW | I was wrong about the version of Xfree, it is 4.2.0 (never trust a zero). |
| 17:04:23 | CosmicPenguin | Hahh.... now thats a problem |
| 19:49:24 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:02:42 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 23:23:51 | legodude | evenin |