| 01:06:41 | cpenguin_home | hello, hello |
| 04:29:52 | sorphin | hohums |
| 06:59:01 | bmidgley | any lineo folks around? |
| 07:00:29 | andersee | bmidgley: BZFlag is a Lineo folk |
| 07:01:48 | bmidgley | eric, do you know when clickner left lineo? do you keep up? |
| 07:02:03 | BZFlag | last round of layoffs. |
| 07:02:50 | BZFlag | april 2002 |
| 07:03:12 | bmidgley | i noticed she's with lnxi now... (i have an application in with them) |
| 07:04:10 | BZFlag | hmm. talked to chris worley for the inside scoop? |
| 07:04:29 | BZFlag | There are some LUG folk that work there too. |
| 07:04:48 | bmidgley | i haven't met chris |
| 07:05:05 | andersee | bmidgley: could also try Eric Biederman |
| 07:05:27 | BZFlag | yeah, Eric is another. |
| 07:06:57 | bmidgley | ok |
| 07:11:50 | bmidgley | BZFlag: is there an inside scoop i should know...? |
| 07:14:14 | andersee | bmidgley: With most Linux companies, especially those associated with the Canopy group, there is _always_ an inside scoop you should know about. :) |
| 07:16:13 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 07:16:24 | andersee | hi jacques |
| 07:17:01 | jacques | i hear a7r made an ipaq dist based on uclibc / busybox |
| 07:17:29 | jacques | I'm trying to get him to use gcc 3.2 :-) |
| 07:17:58 | BZFlag | bmidgley: just normal company politics. |
| 07:18:27 | jacques | LOL they were amazed they got a kernel, apps, and X in 3MB |
| 07:19:03 | BZFlag | heh. a7r should have bought a tux. ;-) |
| 07:19:43 | jacques | yep |
| 07:20:47 | andersee | jacques: very cool. :) |
| 07:21:06 | andersee | One of these days I should get an ipaq or zaurus |
| 07:21:42 | BZFlag | ponders sliding andersee an iPAQ... ;-) |
| 07:24:16 | BZFlag | andersee: did the gcc-final issue ever get fixed in buildroot? |
| 07:25:13 | jacques | hmm I thought it did because I didn't hit that when I was making tinyx build again |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | BZFlag: what gcc-final issue? |
| 07:26:38 | BZFlag | points andersee at the topic |
| 07:27:03 | andersee | Hmm. Has that been there long? |
| 07:27:08 | jacques | yeah ages |
| 07:27:18 | BZFlag | act 17th |
| 07:27:22 | BZFlag | er oct 17th |
| 07:27:36 | jacques | that has ben in the topic much longer than that |
| 07:27:47 | BZFlag | though that was another edit... the gcc-final thing is over a month old. |
| 07:27:55 | jacques | yeah that souns right |
| 07:27:55 | BZFlag | nods at jacques |
| 07:28:32 | andersee | does a 'make clean' on buildroot and starts compiling |
| 07:29:04 | andersee | does a 'make distclean' instead |
| 07:29:17 | BZFlag | checks out a new buildroot on the server and starts it up. |
| 07:30:05 | jacques | I prefer \rm -rf |
| 07:30:11 | jacques | :-D |
| 07:30:16 | andersee | :) |
| 07:56:07 | andersee | Well, the whole thing built for me without a problem |
| 07:56:27 | andersee | I dunno what the deal was, but it works for me. |
| 07:57:54 | BZFlag | and libs are in build/stage/arm-linux/lib ? or build/stage/lib ? |
| 07:58:14 | BZFlag | and do you have other arm libs around? |
| 08:03:05 | andersee | yup. Libs are in build/stage/lib. I removed all cross-arm toolchains from my system before rebuilding |
| 08:05:01 | BZFlag | on my build, gcc-final was still looking in build/stage/arm-linux/lib and would not pass that error. |
| 08:05:15 | andersee | Hmm |
| 08:05:21 | andersee | Did you do a 'cvs up' |
| 08:05:48 | andersee | I'm in sync, I've got no patches or unmerged diffs. |
| 08:05:50 | BZFlag | yes. many times. |
| 08:05:58 | andersee | wierd |
| 08:06:03 | andersee | And it is failing |
| 08:06:05 | BZFlag | and removed build/ and sources/dl for kicks. |
| 08:06:26 | BZFlag | well, I'm not quite there on the rebuild. it's on p with a k6 (slow) |
| 08:06:50 | andersee | Hmm. I preserved my sources/dl |
| 08:06:50 | BZFlag | not enough space on my laptop to do it here. |
| 08:07:08 | andersee | Perhaps I have some stale sources? |
| 08:07:35 | BZFlag | unlike some people I don't have friends that buy me large storage devices. |
| 08:07:42 | BZFlag | grins |
| 08:07:58 | BZFlag | wait till my new test gets there. |
| 08:08:33 | andersee | Heh. Actually my main hard drive is my own. My old drive was dying, so I bought an 80 GG, 7200 rpm IBM drive for like $90 |
| 08:09:03 | andersee | Though I probably have a terabyte or so sitting in my office, and another in my closet. |
| 08:09:32 | andersee | This one firewire RAID box has 1/2 a terabyte all by itself. |
| 08:10:13 | andersee | But since I'm always wiping and rewriting all that stuff, I never use it for data I care about. |
| 08:11:04 | BZFlag | wonders where the mp3/ogg archive lives now. |
| 08:11:26 | andersee | Lives on my 80GB drive. |
| 08:11:45 | BZFlag | ohh. taking the music with you. must be nice. |
| 08:12:14 | andersee | Its just 16 GB. Fits on my laptop too (40 GB drive) |
| 08:15:14 | BZFlag | hmm. mine is building uclibc now. |
| 08:15:39 | BZFlag | never did the gcc-final pass. went straight there from gcc-initial. |
| 08:29:01 | andersee | starts rebuilding everying again, sans sources/dl |
| 08:30:20 | BZFlag | hmm /me's build is back in gcc land |
| 08:55:20 | BZFlag | hmm. looks like it worked this time. It's building the kernel now. |
| 08:55:51 | andersee | I've just built the entire thing, again. |
| 08:55:54 | andersee | It worked. |
| 08:57:17 | BZFlag | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1078191&forum_id=2321 <- that's what I was seeing. |
| 08:57:58 | BZFlag | I tried a complete rebuild on my laptop about a month ago and still got the same thing. doing the link line in the topic got around the problem and built the rest of the image. |
| 08:59:12 | andersee | Odd. I dunno what changed... |
| 08:59:18 | andersee | It works for me. |
| 08:59:51 | BZFlag | I'm trying to clean up enough space on my laptop to try there again. |
| 09:04:14 | BZFlag | well, I better get some sleep. big day at the office tomorrow. |
| 09:04:17 | BZFlag | nite all. |
| 16:50:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: where you be today? |
| 16:56:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: barbados ! |
| 16:59:34 | file[bed] | prpplague: how is it? |
| 17:01:02 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... pretty |
| 17:05:47 | prpplague | file[bed]: who knows? i'm in a window less server room |
| 17:06:15 | file[bed] | prpplague: I hope they pay you good |
| 17:06:39 | prpplague | just enough to go to the nudie bar |
| 17:06:56 | file[bed] | not enough to bring them home? |
| 17:08:02 | prpplague | thats the beauty of the nudie bar, when your done, you go home, without the witch |
| 17:09:52 | file[bed] | haha |
| 17:12:01 | nelson | ibot: message for bzflag: yes, bootstrap+gpe == bootgpe |
| 18:39:02 | file2 | hi Russ |
| 18:39:37 | Russ|werk | hey file2 |
| 18:39:48 | file2 | waddup? |
| 18:40:49 | CosmicPenguin | The NBA just signed a deal with an Iranian langauge radio station to broadcast games in Farsi |
| 18:50:34 | prpplague | andersee: lo |
| 18:51:01 | andersee | prpplague: morning, or something |
| 18:51:36 | prpplague | andersee: lol, or something |
| 18:52:58 | file2 | mmm I need to set my I/O ports of my NIC to something that won't interfere with my sound |
| 18:53:37 | CosmicPenguin | your NIC is an ISA board? |
| 18:54:01 | file2 | yes |
| 18:54:17 | file2 | mmm bbl |
| 19:17:50 | file | well that failed miserably |
| 19:17:55 | file | I think it's the driver... |
| 19:29:30 | prpplague | kergoth: get back to work slave |
| 19:29:54 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:30:26 | prpplague | kergoth: <harrass>i woke to sounds of the ocean this morning!</harrass> |
| 19:31:12 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:31:12 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:31:15 | kergoth | having a good time? |
| 19:32:15 | prpplague | kergoth: no, i'm in a windlow less office |
| 19:34:10 | prpplague | kergoth: was kinda thinking about going and doing the tour of the rum distilliary next door :) |
| 19:34:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:35:03 | kergoth | go for it, you know you want to |
| 19:35:31 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya espesial at the end of the tour is an open bar |
| 19:36:31 | prpplague | kergoth: these guys old box had 7 epcx cards in it with something on every channel |
| 19:36:41 | kergoth | geh |
| 19:37:09 | prpplague | kergoth: can you imaging the mess when they have to switch between primary and backup servers |
| 19:37:34 | kergoth | oh my |
| 19:37:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:38:26 | prpplague | kergoth: they even have some of the digi fiber convertors |
| 19:40:47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wow, thats weird... I'm in a Windowless office too... :) |
| 19:41:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya you could be on a paradise island and not know it |
| 19:41:36 | CosmicPenguin | thinks that prpplague didn't get my joke |
| 19:42:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i did, just choose to play up the other one |
| 19:42:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well you us microwindows and x-windows |
| 19:42:48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: says you - its curses all the way for me... :) |
| 19:43:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 19:43:14 | scanline | curses has its own "windows" too |
| 19:43:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i'd say it was "curses" for kergoth too |
| 19:43:49 | prpplague | dam bzip takes forever |
| 19:45:14 | prpplague | 800megas of accounting data,bziped down to 27meg |
| 19:52:26 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: is that a new bug tracking system on busybox? |
| 19:52:58 | CosmicPenguin | oops, guess not |
| 19:53:04 | CosmicPenguin | once again /ignore the penguin |
| 19:53:18 | CosmicPenguin | is tired of compiling Pixil |
| 19:57:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy |
| 19:57:43 | prpplague | BZFlag: hows goes it dude? |
| 20:01:17 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Nope. Its been there for years.... |
| 20:02:46 | prpplague | BZFlag: ens? |
| 20:03:05 | BZFlag | prpplague: utf8 testing. |
| 20:03:17 | BZFlag | I guess you can't pick a utf8 nick though. ;-) |
| 20:03:27 | BZFlag | ibot x en es teach me |
| 20:03:28 | | BZFlag: enséñeme |
| 20:03:39 | prpplague | i see |
| 20:03:46 | BZFlag | you should be able to read that if your client is in utf8 |
| 20:04:23 | BZFlag | ens, e with an accent, n with a tilde, eme. |
| 20:04:51 | Russ|werk | ibot x en es teach me |
| 20:04:52 | | Russ|werk: enséñeme |
| 20:05:17 | BZFlag | if you just see ens, then your client is not utf8 aware. |
| 20:05:48 | Russ|werk | I have to turn on utf8 explicitly every time I start xchat |
| 20:06:00 | BZFlag | what is LANG set to? |
| 20:06:16 | prpplague | i probably don;t have mine turned on |
| 20:06:16 | Russ|werk | en_US |
| 20:06:19 | BZFlag | mine is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 20:06:41 | Russ|werk | I do see enséñeme once I turn utf8 on in xchat |
| 20:06:42 | Russ|werk | er |
| 20:06:45 | Russ|werk | dammit |
| 20:07:06 | Russ|werk | If I copy it, and paste it to my typing line |
| 20:07:13 | Russ|werk | it goes back to extended ascii |
| 20:07:13 | BZFlag | in debian, run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" then build the utf8 and set it as default. |
| 20:07:42 | Russ|werk | it already is |
| 20:07:47 | BZFlag | I paste as <ibot> BZFlag: enséñeme |
| 20:08:13 | Russ|werk | oops |
| 20:08:14 | Russ|werk | .gnomerc:LANG=en_US |
| 20:08:15 | BZFlag | <Russ|werk> it already is - huh? what is? |
| 20:21:21 | prpplague | sjhill: dude! |
| 20:21:46 | prpplague | sjhill: you've work with the nec vr4181 before right? |
| 20:22:05 | sjhill | prpplague: nope, sorry dude |
| 20:22:46 | prpplague | sjhill: bummer |
| 20:24:29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what do you have that uses the 4181? |
| 20:25:51 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: hopefully not the slow'genda |
| 20:26:28 | CosmicPenguin | shivers |
| 20:26:34 | prpplague | sjhill: ya i have one, but, i was looking at this linia handheld from royal, they're telling me its vr4181 based |
| 20:26:43 | sjhill | prpplague: yup |
| 20:26:49 | | REALLY! |
| 20:26:49 | CosmicPenguin | Really? |
| 20:26:50 | CosmicPenguin | Wow |
| 20:27:01 | sjhill | lol @ ibot |
| 20:31:47 | prpplague | sjhill: the new linia is vr4181 based? it was hard getting any specs and these guys didn't sound too sure |
| 20:32:59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: runnin Embeddix? |
| 20:33:39 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no. in spite of what they might tell you. |
| 20:34:22 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i finally got out of them it was a home brew gui |
| 20:34:48 | prpplague | i'm just wondering how difficult it would be to hack it with linux |
| 20:34:57 | CosmicPenguin | The 4181 shouldn't be that bad |
| 20:35:01 | CosmicPenguin | sloooowwwww |
| 20:35:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya, i know, but i think it'd be a good learning experience |
| 20:36:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i find trying to hack this stuff with no one to help tends to increase my knowledge greatly |
| 20:36:12 | BZFlag | there are a few different speeds of 4181's right? the vr3 was a 66mhz iirc, but there was also a ... 133? available. |
| 20:36:49 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya the specs said multiple speeds |
| 20:40:35 | prpplague | BZFlag: you know anything about this linia hh? |
| 20:41:26 | CosmicPenguin | We did work on the 4121 once upon a time |
| 20:41:28 | BZFlag | nope. |
| 20:41:44 | BZFlag | used to build his own roms for the vr3 |
| 20:42:27 | prpplague | BZFlag: oh ya? whats the bootloader like on the vr4181? |
| 20:43:33 | BZFlag | some serial console thing with wierd upload features. |
| 20:43:54 | BZFlag | my biggest design issue is that the bootloader is mapped to the middle of flash. not the start. |
| 20:43:57 | BZFlag | it's a pain. |
| 20:44:15 | prpplague | ewww, in the middle? what was the reason behind that? |
| 20:45:10 | BZFlag | who knows. somone must have thought it a good idea. |
| 20:46:56 | prpplague | BZFlag: that just seems odd, seems like someone would makes some notes or comments as to why is was like that |
| 20:48:10 | CosmicPenguin | thunder and lighting |
| 20:54:20 | CosmicPenguin | Windows XP Embedded Service Pack 1 contains new features that allow embedded developers to add remote management capabilities |
| 20:54:27 | CosmicPenguin | (from InfoWorld) |
| 20:54:41 | CosmicPenguin | Whenever I read remote managment I start to twitch |
| 20:54:49 | prpplague | ya i know what you mean |
| 20:55:15 | prpplague | "remote managment" is code for "we are gonna take over your box" |
| 20:56:11 | file | LOL |
| 20:56:34 | CosmicPenguin | where we is either Microsoft or your friendly hometown black hat |
| 20:58:00 | prpplague | yep, i installed back orifice on my mother inlaws winblows pc |
| 20:58:11 | prpplague | its pretty funny reading her email |
| 20:59:03 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh.... |
| 21:01:48 | Russ|werk | prpplague: you are a bad, bad man |
| 21:02:51 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:11:00 | prpplague | man it looks like i might get out of here by 6 or 6:30 |
| 21:14:26 | sorphin | prpplague: as if |
| 21:15:17 | file | sorphin: how is that thing you got working out? |
| 21:19:12 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:19:48 | prpplague | sorphin: hey now, the rest of the week, i won;t be as lucky |
| 21:19:58 | sorphin | lessee.. the xbox's screw isn't long enough (for me) to hold it down so i hate to fix the plastic screw hole (it stripped it), and the programmer doesn't even see the damn flash chip.. i mailed their "support", but i don't expect a quick reply :/ |
| 21:20:14 | sorphin | prpplague: i've been getting out around 3 this week ;) |
| 21:20:22 | file | sorphin: ic |
| 21:20:27 | prpplague | sorphin: ha |
| 21:20:41 | prpplague | sorphin: is that new work schedule for worldcom |
| 21:20:53 | sorphin | no, i'm in training this week |
| 21:21:18 | sorphin | 8-5 this week, but we get done sooner |
| 21:21:27 | prpplague | "ohh ya i've got you schedule for that frame relay at 4:00, ohh ya we'll be here, 'sniker sniker'" |
| 21:21:42 | sorphin | wrong dept ;p |
| 21:21:53 | sorphin | doesn't do that kinda shit now |
| 21:22:15 | sjhill | alright, who let that sorphin trash mouth in here? |
| 21:22:17 | sorphin | is strickly 2nd lvl app support for my group |
| 21:22:35 | sorphin | sjhill: don't you have some settop box to ruin? |
| 21:22:38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 2nd level - you mean like ethernet? |
| 21:22:58 | sjhill | sorphin: :P |
| 21:23:04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: go play w/ pixil ;p |
| 21:23:08 | file | sjhill: Nino? |
| 21:23:24 | file | sjhill: my Nino is fully mine now so I can finally use Linux on it :) |
| 21:23:26 | sjhill | file: i have had no time for personal projects in almost two months |
| 21:24:00 | sorphin | file: i was surprised, the thing showed up yesterday.. not bad for coming from canadia ;) |
| 21:24:35 | file | sorphin: around 11am? |
| 21:24:37 | prpplague | we need to channel to #harras_everyone_about_their_it_job |
| 21:24:39 | file | sjhill: bah |
| 21:25:08 | | CosmicPenguin: huh? |
| 21:25:08 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: spell check canadia |
| 21:25:10 | sorphin | prpplague: except file |
| 21:25:22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's how canadian's spell it |
| 21:25:53 | sorphin | file: think so.. i was in class, i just grabbed it from the mail room before i left |
| 21:25:53 | CosmicPenguin | Really? Thats funny, becuase their olympic uniforms say Canada.... |
| 21:26:04 | prpplague | lol, i had some lady in the seat behind me on the plane ask me to stop watching "akira", because it was offending her..... |
| 21:26:09 | sorphin | sighs |
| 21:26:50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fyi, this is from someone from canada: |
| 21:26:51 | sorphin | <[mbm]> yeah, it's canuck (as in ducks) from canadia |
| 21:27:13 | sorphin | a guy at work was saying canooks(well, sounding like that) |
| 21:27:19 | CosmicPenguin | file: what do you say? |
| 21:27:30 | sorphin | he says nova scotia ;p |
| 21:27:37 | file | what do I say what? |
| 21:27:50 | file | becomes confused |
| 21:27:53 | sorphin | file: <[mbm]> yeah, it's canuck (as in ducks) from canadia |
| 21:28:06 | file | yeah |
| 21:28:09 | file | canuck is right |
| 21:28:18 | sorphin | cosmiccensoft argues the canadia part |
| 21:28:56 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.pigdog.org/categories/canadia_sucks.html |
| 21:29:45 | file | downloads... ActiveSync gah dang it |
| 21:30:03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: told you |
| 21:30:21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: did you even read the link? Its a freeking joke |
| 21:30:34 | sorphin | s/freeking/freaking/ |
| 21:30:45 | file | sjhill: the Nino cradle is so nuce |
| 21:30:46 | CosmicPenguin | No - in utah its spelled Freek |
| 21:30:47 | file | er nice |
| 21:31:14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, nothing good has come out of utah i see ;) |
| 21:32:17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: not yet, but we're trying as hard as we can |
| 21:32:30 | file | so that's why I couldn't plug this in... I was trying to jam serial into a parallel port |
| 21:32:42 | sorphin | i mean, busybox? nah.. uclibc.. maybe.. microwindows? nope.. |
| 21:32:49 | sorphin | file: um.. please say you're joking |
| 21:33:46 | CosmicPenguin | Part of Dumb and Dumber was filmed in Utah - thats not half bad |
| 21:34:01 | file | sorphin: it's behind my system where it's dark and I can't see! |
| 21:34:03 | sorphin | debatible ;) |
| 21:34:17 | sorphin | file: serial is always male on the machine ;p |
| 21:34:33 | file | sorphin: all I had were the flashing NIC lights to guide me |
| 21:35:28 | sorphin | is unamused about this xodus issue tho.. |
| 21:36:37 | CosmicPenguin | Eh? |
| 21:36:52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh about which? |
| 21:37:01 | CosmicPenguin | * sorphin is unamused about this xodus issue tho.. |
| 21:37:31 | sorphin | bought an xodus/matrix (the solderless modchip) |
| 21:37:45 | sorphin | it uses lpc |
| 21:37:55 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh.... |
| 21:38:14 | sorphin | the programmer it comes w/ (it can also be programmed through the dvdrom drive, but they still haven't released any instructions).. anyways... |
| 21:38:20 | sorphin | the programmer doesn't see the damn flash on it.. |
| 21:38:49 | sorphin | CHEAPLPC on printer port at 0x378 |
| 21:38:49 | sorphin | LPC bus error - peripheral returned SYNC=0F |
| 21:38:49 | sorphin | error getting device ID at address FFC00000 |
| 21:38:49 | sorphin | Device not supported |
| 21:38:51 | file | sorphin: "Made in Canada" |
| 21:41:04 | sorphin | nope, Made in China |
| 21:41:16 | file | oh |
| 21:41:18 | file | cheers |
| 22:06:29 | file | sjhill? |
| 22:08:08 | sjhill | file: ? |
| 22:08:19 | file | sjhill: does your FTP site still contain the kernel? |
| 22:08:28 | sjhill | file: it should |
| 22:08:36 | file | ahhh there it is |
| 23:06:53 | CosmicPenguin | is very annoyed at his web hosting company |
| 23:06:59 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |