| 00:12:26 | mastermnd | wtf? |
| 00:12:28 | mastermnd | buildroot-tux/sources# ./mkdevices ../../familiar/ device_table.txt |
| 00:12:28 | mastermnd | ./mkdevices: 32: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 00:12:29 | mastermnd | ./mkdevices: |
| 00:13:21 | mastermnd | nevermind.. |
| 00:13:51 | Russ|werk | timmy:~/src/build/identd$ arm-uclibc-gcc identd.c -o identd-arm |
| 00:13:51 | Russ|werk | arm-linux-gcc: Internal compiler error: program cpp got fatal signal 11 |
| 00:13:52 | Russ|werk | :( |
| 00:14:00 | mastermnd | bash works (instead of sh) |
| 00:14:59 | Russ|werk | it compiles other things |
| 00:15:12 | mastermnd | what's signal 11 |
| 00:15:14 | mastermnd | ? |
| 00:15:22 | Russ|werk | segfault |
| 00:15:24 | LIM | segfault |
| 00:15:30 | mastermnd | doh |
| 00:15:40 | Russ|werk | generally, with cross compilers, it means you are linking against something of a different arch |
| 00:15:46 | Russ|werk | but I don't see where that would be happening here |
| 00:18:22 | Russ|werk | my 2.95.2 cross compiler is what is crashing |
| 00:18:56 | Russ|werk | 0x4006eb5b in vfprintf () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 00:19:02 | Russ|werk | suspects glibc2.3 |
| 00:22:13 | Russ|werk | seems to want to print a warning print_containing_files() |
| 00:23:37 | Russ|werk | calls vnotice, vnotice calls vsprintf, and boom |
| 00:46:05 | mastermnd | If I were to copy a new kernel to /boot/linux on my tux, and then just reboot would it use the new kernel? Do I need to do something with blob (similar to lilo), or will blob just see it? |
| 00:46:58 | LIM | I think you have to flash a new ramdisk |
| 00:47:03 | LIM | but I dunno |
| 00:51:47 | file | you have to flash |
| 00:51:57 | file | it isn't writable... it's readonly |
| 00:59:08 | CaCtus491 | wonders why he was using at first a p166 to compile buildroot when uni has a dual athlon 1900 virtually unused..... |
| 01:00:05 | sorphin | umm |
| 01:00:10 | sorphin | not using your brain? |
| 01:21:43 | LIM | He ate it for lunch. |
| 01:22:58 | sorphin | no comment |
| 01:23:55 | CaCtus491 | hehe, sor: sounds about right. |
| 01:24:08 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:24:18 | sorphin | can't shortname in the middle of a sentence ;p |
| 01:24:37 | CaCtus491 | :) |
| 01:25:30 | CaCtus491 | ...after a successful compile with microwindows, say I want to remove microwindows from the image, I should be able to edit the makefile, comment out microwindows |
| 01:25:36 | CaCtus491 | then do a make clean |
| 01:25:40 | CaCtus491 | followed by make? |
| 01:26:11 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:26:15 | sorphin | that's the long way, yeah.. |
| 01:26:50 | CaCtus491 | ok, but it should work right? |
| 01:27:45 | sorphin | yes. |
| 01:27:51 | CaCtus491 | It doesn't :( |
| 01:28:03 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:28:05 | CaCtus491 | it runs for a while then errors out with: |
| 01:29:02 | CaCtus491 | checking whether the C compiler (......../gcc-final/gcc/xgcc -B...... -B...... -B...... -isystem..... -g -Os) works... no |
| 01:29:11 | CaCtus491 | and I'm stumped. |
| 01:29:30 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:29:43 | CaCtus491 | I've compiled a few images, (without a make clean) and it all goes fine |
| 01:29:59 | sorphin | are they using that same compiler? |
| 01:30:22 | CaCtus491 | only after a make clean :( I tried deleting uclbic, etc from build so the source is downloaded again, that also doesn't work) |
| 01:31:17 | sorphin | well, as i've mentioned before, need you try catching russ or andersee (or maybe prpplague may have a thought).. they're the buildroot ppl.. |
| 01:31:24 | sorphin | has never had probs w/ it |
| 01:31:35 | CaCtus491 | even after a make clean? |
| 01:32:55 | sorphin | even after a make clean |
| 01:33:16 | sorphin | i'm not using super latest cvs tho, i don't remake my image that much :P |
| 01:33:18 | sorphin | no need to |
| 01:33:37 | sorphin | you don't need to recompile everything every time you wanna remove something |
| 01:33:40 | sorphin | or add |
| 01:34:19 | CaCtus491 | ok, say I wanted to remove microwindows from the image, how would I go aobut that? |
| 01:37:05 | sorphin | remove the *image* then comment out microwindows from the makefile |
| 01:39:14 | CaCtus491 | that would make sense :) The reason I started rebuilding from scratch was because when I put a few files in target_skeleton, deleted the image, ran 'make' the image was made, but w/o my files :( |
| 01:40:05 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:40:19 | sorphin | you need to *look* at it more |
| 01:42:32 | CaCtus491 | :) |
| 01:42:43 | scanline | is away: zzzzz..... |
| 01:52:20 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you alive? |
| 01:52:47 | | Russ was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 18 hours, 28 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: '# All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgment: This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org)' [Mon Oct 14 01:24:44 2002] |
| 01:52:47 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ |
| 01:52:53 | | Russ|werk was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 29 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: calls vnotice, vnotice calls vsprintf, and boom [Thu Oct 17 18:23:37 2002] |
| 01:52:53 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ|werk |
| 02:06:12 | sorphin | Morn: i just noticed one of the probs.. |
| 02:06:20 | Morn | oh? |
| 02:06:25 | sorphin | the audio is AC3 :P |
| 02:06:40 | sorphin | which i found out trying to run your stream through mplayer |
| 02:06:47 | sorphin | or atleast there's ac3 in it |
| 02:06:57 | Morn | that's interesting |
| 02:07:01 | sorphin | tmpgenc wouldn't even touch your stream |
| 02:07:07 | sorphin | nor would plus |
| 02:07:29 | Morn | I'm going to have to work with it more this weekend |
| 02:07:39 | Morn | right now I'm trying to get this GPS thingy I got to work |
| 02:07:47 | sorphin | what one? |
| 02:08:20 | Morn | one from Radio Shack (remember I get a 25% discount) |
| 02:08:29 | Morn | for my pocket pc |
| 02:08:48 | Morn | it doesn't seem to be acquiring a signal |
| 02:09:03 | Morn | I've got it monitor mode |
| 02:09:09 | Morn | but I have no idea what all this means |
| 02:09:53 | Morn | It came with the Delorme handheld software |
| 02:10:08 | Morn | apparently it can even speak directions as you drive |
| 02:10:15 | Morn | well, the pocket pc can |
| 02:12:36 | sorphin | well |
| 02:12:42 | sorphin | gps doesn't do well indoors |
| 02:13:04 | Morn | oh, I thought it would work in the house |
| 02:13:21 | sorphin | it *might*, but it's not highly likely |
| 02:13:54 | Morn | well, it isn't |
| 02:13:59 | Morn | and it's raining outside |
| 02:14:05 | Morn | so I'll have to wait to play |
| 02:14:08 | sorphin | yaeh |
| 02:14:15 | Morn | next I need to figure out how to get maps onto the handheld |
| 02:14:19 | sorphin | i had bought one for my laptop before |
| 02:14:31 | Morn | I think I can get a cable for the laptop too |
| 02:14:34 | sorphin | took it back, cuz well, the laptop doesn't go anywhere.. so.. |
| 02:14:48 | Morn | well, the handheld can go in the car with me |
| 02:15:31 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:06:00 | Russ | its raining here too |
| 03:06:37 | sorphin | Russ: prp was looking for you.. |
| 03:21:13 | Russ | I know |
| 08:18:40 | scanline | is back (gone 06:35:57) |
| 11:13:18 | mastermnd | Morn: If you sit your GPS on the windowsill then it might be able to get a signal (mine can anyway). Of course it can take up to 10 minutes to aquire a good signal that it can do anything with. |
| 11:47:28 | ade | anyone use their tuxscreen in a 230/240V country ? |
| 12:55:29 | prh | ade: yea I do |
| 14:29:24 | ade | prh: did you modify the normal psu or start afresh ? |
| 14:38:12 | sorphin | -:- kergoth is now known as digiwhore |
| 14:38:20 | kergoth | as always |
| 14:38:25 | kergoth | hows it goin man |
| 14:38:50 | sorphin | heh, quite shitty actually, and it doesn't even have anything to do w/ wcom ironically |
| 14:39:04 | kergoth | amazing |
| 14:39:06 | kergoth | that sucks. |
| 14:41:19 | sorphin | heh my modchip shipped *yesterda* |
| 14:41:28 | sorphin | fscking slow basts |
| 14:41:49 | sorphin | and it's being shipped canada post (to usps obviously), so i'll prolly never get it |
| 14:42:10 | kergoth | greattt |
| 14:43:18 | sorphin | i do have a tracking #, but we'll see what happens.. |
| 14:43:34 | kergoth | good luck. |
| 14:44:13 | sorphin | hopefully i won't need it ;) |
| 14:44:20 | sorphin | so whats new in digiland? |
| 14:44:55 | sorphin | besides the urge to "jihad" everyone there :P |
| 14:45:02 | kergoth | new.. hmm. web based 'goal' tracking software |
| 14:45:08 | sorphin | oh goodie |
| 14:45:12 | kergoth | i get to enter my goals in on this piece of shit |
| 14:45:12 | kergoth | oh |
| 14:45:14 | kergoth | and theres no ssl |
| 14:45:17 | kergoth | its all plaintext |
| 14:45:18 | file | sorphin: oh it's sent registered - I did that with a letter |
| 14:45:20 | kergoth | fires up ethereal |
| 14:45:28 | sorphin | " Goal Tracking? I have no goals :P " |
| 14:45:35 | file | sorphin: it takes a day to update but it's still nice |
| 14:45:59 | sorphin | file: tis "priority" too (or should be, since i paid ofr it) |
| 14:46:17 | kergoth | sorphin: i'm thinking .. goal 1: get a nice severance package when i get canned. goal 2: open up at least 3 change action requests for failing to follow our ISO procedures |
| 14:46:25 | file | sorphin: priority? we don't go by that... |
| 14:46:32 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 15:27:45) |
| 14:46:37 | sorphin | kergoth: ;) |
| 14:46:38 | file | sorphin: we've got regular surface, regular airmail, Xpresspost USA, and Purolator |
| 14:47:00 | sorphin | file: hmm.. well, whatever 2-3 day svc is w/ you guys |
| 14:47:41 | file | sorphin: sounds like Xpresspost USA or Purolator |
| 14:47:57 | file | Purolator would be really expensive, Xpresspost USA is meant for cheap businesses |
| 14:48:29 | sorphin | ok, says 2-6 days (as opposed to the 5-9) |
| 14:49:39 | sorphin | heh, by the time the "tracking info" appears, it'll be here :P (prolly) |
| 14:50:08 | file | hehe' |
| 14:50:17 | file | it's Xpresspost |
| 15:04:25 | sorphin | well, whatever the hell it is, as long as it shows up :P |
| 15:12:11 | sorphin | prpplague: boo |
| 15:12:26 | prpplague | poo |
| 15:14:35 | | Russ was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen legodude [Fri Oct 11 10:26:46 2002] |
| 15:14:35 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ |
| 15:14:39 | | I haven't seen 'Russ|work', prpplague |
| 15:14:39 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ|work |
| 15:14:49 | sorphin | werk |
| 15:14:54 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:14:56 | | Russ|werk was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: thanks [Fri Oct 11 19:37:47 2002] |
| 15:14:56 | prpplague | ibot: seen Russ|werk |
| 15:15:15 | sorphin | hmm.. that's wrong |
| 15:15:17 | prpplague | that can't be right |
| 15:15:21 | sorphin | cuz he appeared last night |
| 15:15:32 | sorphin | not an hour maybe after you scurried off |
| 15:15:34 | file | nods |
| 15:18:27 | sorphin | prpplague: did that bimbo ever fax over the stuff? |
| 15:22:01 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, not yet |
| 15:22:06 | sorphin | bah |
| 15:26:12 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll call again shortly |
| 15:26:41 | sorphin | k |
| 15:45:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it seemed that Tim was a bit surprised about all of that yesterday |
| 15:45:36 | CosmicPenguin | Did anyone else get that feeling? |
| 15:45:40 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:45:43 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:46:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't get a chance to see his response, what did he say? |
| 15:47:25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nothing, I think. |
| 15:47:47 | CosmicPenguin | Either somebody let the cat out of the bag, and he didn't want to reply, or he jumped on the phone and started yelling at somebody |
| 15:47:50 | sorphin | well, when asked if lineo was involved, he sounded dodgy |
| 15:48:33 | CosmicPenguin | Something is up - becuase if they had really finished it, then I would think they would have press released it |
| 15:48:48 | CosmicPenguin | Lineo could definately use the publicity |
| 15:49:23 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:49:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 15:49:44 | CosmicPenguin | Also, I have it on good authority that there was no hardware as late as Feburary - so if they did do it, they did it really, really quickly |
| 15:50:09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: implaying that prpplague is getting scammed? ;) |
| 15:50:47 | prpplague | i just got off the phone with them, the chick said the order is still good and that she i waiting on the spec sheets from the sales manager |
| 15:50:57 | sorphin | k |
| 15:51:05 | prpplague | stirs up trouble |
| 15:51:09 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:51:24 | prpplague | i can't help it if i like to get all the newest stuff :| |
| 15:51:29 | sorphin | prpplague: like we'd expect less from someone who supports POS hardware ;p |
| 15:51:53 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:52:26 | prpplague | sorphin: you better hope you don't buy anything at a truevalue or ace hardware store, i've got you flagged |
| 15:52:44 | sorphin | i don't |
| 15:53:03 | prpplague | hmm, what city are you in? |
| 15:53:14 | sorphin | not w/ anything you could find me by anyways at true value (the rare times i'm there), and there is no ace around here :P |
| 15:53:17 | sorphin | ha |
| 15:53:27 | sorphin | not saying ;) |
| 15:53:31 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:58:25 | sorphin | if you really wanna know, you'll have to use your head ;) |
| 16:00:52 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, i just wanted to see if we have any stores in your area |
| 16:11:52 | sorphin | ahh |
| 16:12:14 | sorphin | Closest "city" is florissant (i'm in unincorporated st louis county) |
| 16:20:17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so how are the Cardinals doing? Oops, I guess not very good... :) |
| 16:20:31 | CosmicPenguin | knows better than to tease a geek about sports, but what the hell, I am bored |
| 16:21:31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: asking me about st louis sports is like asking asking something stupid.. oh wait.. it is asking something stupid ;) |
| 16:22:12 | CosmicPenguin | The Rams are doing real well too.... :) |
| 16:22:19 | CosmicPenguin | shuts up before somebody mentions the Utah Jazz |
| 16:22:57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you mean the Utah Jazz even still exist? i thought someone disbanned them years ago for sucking so bad ;p |
| 16:25:36 | CosmicPenguin | ironically, your message popped just as a commercial for Jazz tickets came on the radio |
| 16:25:52 | sorphin | gee.. how ironic ;) |
| 16:36:38 | Russ | hey prpplague |
| 16:37:35 | sorphin | now of course he'll be gone ;) |
| 16:38:25 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 16:38:45 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 17:11:29 | prpplague | i wonder if bz will show up today? |
| 17:32:54 | sorphin | dunno |
| 18:17:03 | sorphin | cpenguin_home: home already? |
| 18:17:44 | cpenguin_home | sorphin: I went home for lunch, and freaklishly, I decided to IRC |
| 18:17:49 | sorphin | freak |
| 18:17:51 | cpenguin_home | is hopelessly geeky |
| 18:18:08 | sorphin | but your fiancee seems to love you anyways ;p |
| 18:18:17 | cpenguin_home | And she just got home. Bye. |
| 18:18:26 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 18:18:33 | sorphin | must be time for a lunchtime quickie |
| 18:43:15 | legodude | haha |
| 18:43:27 | legodude | misses the gf |
| 18:43:35 | kergoth`lunch | mutters |
| 18:43:44 | sorphin | legodude: go home this weekend and see her? |
| 18:43:51 | sorphin | kergoth`lunch: what's your problem now digibitch? |
| 18:43:53 | sorphin | grins |
| 18:43:55 | legodude | she's in NY right now |
| 18:44:00 | legodude | so I can't :( |
| 18:44:00 | sorphin | legodude: why? |
| 18:44:04 | legodude | looking at colleges |
| 18:44:04 | kergoth`lunch | sorphin: bah, i wouldnt know where to start :) |
| 18:44:11 | sorphin | legodude: ahh |
| 18:44:17 | sorphin | legodude: she should go to yours ;) |
| 18:44:24 | legodude | that's what I've been telling her |
| 18:44:26 | legodude | but noooo |
| 18:44:37 | sorphin | kergoth`lunch: how bout starting w/ some hydrogen? |
| 18:44:43 | legodude | haha |
| 18:44:44 | kergoth`lunch | do i get to blow it up? |
| 18:44:48 | sorphin | of course |
| 18:44:50 | kergoth`lunch | yay |
| 18:44:58 | legodude | you can't blow it up |
| 18:45:01 | legodude | you have to make water |
| 18:45:05 | legodude | non-explosively |
| 18:45:17 | sorphin | no, he can blow it up |
| 18:45:21 | legodude | no |
| 18:45:29 | legodude | absolutely not |
| 18:45:30 | legodude | nein |
| 18:45:33 | sorphin | blows up all your legos :P |
| 18:45:44 | legodude | you do know that the plural of lego is lego? :P |
| 18:45:56 | legodude | what is this "legos"? |
| 18:45:59 | sorphin | lego my eggo? |
| 18:46:02 | legodude | um |
| 18:46:04 | legodude | your mom |
| 18:46:20 | sorphin | is 6ft under, now you wanna say that lil phrase again? |
| 18:46:31 | sorphin | i'd be happy to drive up to MI |
| 18:46:37 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:46:37 | legodude | hrm |
| 18:46:46 | legodude | I forget what the proper response is |
| 18:46:56 | legodude | ducks and covers |
| 18:47:08 | sorphin | the proper response is to not make any more mom comments |
| 18:47:29 | legodude | surely |
| 18:48:21 | sorphin | on a humor note |
| 18:48:43 | sorphin | one of the solaris workstations i've had to make, was given (not by my choice) the hostname of britney |
| 18:48:58 | legodude | hehe |
| 18:49:03 | sorphin | threatened to make it sing "Oops i did it again" whenever somehting crashes |
| 18:49:10 | legodude | I have mundane machine names |
| 18:49:10 | kergoth`lunch | hah |
| 18:49:17 | kergoth`lunch | naming a solaris workstation britney is just wrong |
| 18:49:20 | legodude | "Jillz0r", "red", "sparc", "ss4" |
| 18:49:41 | sorphin | kergoth`lunch: blame the project manager, he went to some model site |
| 18:49:49 | legodude | haha |
| 18:49:56 | kergoth`lunch | hah |
| 18:50:01 | sorphin | lessee |
| 18:50:17 | legodude | doesn't much like his rs6k 7248 |
| 18:50:21 | legodude | awful machine |
| 18:50:32 | legodude | suns are so much nicer |
| 18:51:06 | sorphin | name list: alexia, angelina, autumn, bridget, britney, brooke, carmen, charlize, christy, claudia (mine), denise, elle, estella, gisele, halle, heidi, milla, rebecca, shannon, tatiana, and uma |
| 18:51:19 | legodude | haha |
| 18:51:23 | legodude | hahaha |
| 18:51:35 | legodude | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 18:51:38 | legodude | you all seen that? |
| 18:51:41 | sorphin | main server's name is tyra |
| 18:51:46 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 18:51:47 | legodude | like x2x and x2vnc but better |
| 18:51:48 | sorphin | tho i don't like tyra |
| 18:51:58 | legodude | Jillian is a good girl's name :) |
| 18:52:10 | sorphin | the tacacs box down in the lab, i named jessica |
| 18:52:17 | legodude | tacacs? |
| 18:52:31 | sorphin | then there's cindyc, naomi, neve, pamela and nikki |
| 18:52:43 | sorphin | legodude: Cisco Authentication |
| 18:52:50 | legodude | for dialup? |
| 18:52:52 | legodude | or wha? |
| 18:53:00 | kergoth`lunch | names his boxen after fictional book characters, generally |
| 18:53:05 | sorphin | ever hear of radius? |
| 18:53:11 | legodude | ja |
| 18:53:18 | sorphin | same kinda thing |
| 18:53:26 | legodude | isn't that used mostly for dialup though? |
| 18:53:30 | sorphin | just authenticaton/authorization for routers, whatever |
| 18:53:34 | sorphin | not necessarily |
| 18:53:55 | legodude | it's for the users to gain access to the network? |
| 18:54:19 | sorphin | or anyoen to gain access to the router, switch, etc.. |
| 18:54:24 | legodude | k |
| 18:55:14 | legodude | I had a networking question to ask you |
| 18:55:17 | legodude | but I forget now |
| 18:55:54 | legodude | I really need more than one floppy disk |
| 18:58:28 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:01:37 | sorphin | legodude: no, you can not subnet your brain :P |
| 19:01:47 | legodude | ugh |
| 19:01:50 | legodude | subnetting scares me |
| 19:01:54 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:01:55 | legodude | I don't understand it at all |
| 19:01:58 | kergoth`lunch | mm subnetting |
| 19:02:00 | legodude | I would do it wrong |
| 19:02:05 | legodude | then have less brain then I started with |
| 19:02:13 | sorphin | there's easy formulas to remember |
| 19:02:32 | sorphin | that's the only way i can do it :P w/o breaking out the binary math ;) |
| 19:02:47 | legodude | but I don't even know what subnetting is really |
| 19:03:08 | legodude | beyond jamming stuff in 192.168.0.x setting the default gateway, IP networking is magic to me |
| 19:03:09 | sorphin | breaking up an ip addr block into smaller blocks |
| 19:03:23 | legodude | ooh |
| 19:03:29 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 19:03:31 | legodude | I think I understand now |
| 19:03:33 | sorphin | my dsl |
| 19:03:36 | sorphin | i have 6 ips |
| 19:03:37 | legodude | ja |
| 19:03:42 | legodude | and the subnet mask controls that? |
| 19:03:45 | legodude | er |
| 19:03:48 | sorphin | 5 that i can use (cuz bell steals one for my gateway) |
| 19:03:56 | Russ|werk | the other 2 are also stolen |
| 19:04:00 | sorphin | but *actually* i have 8 |
| 19:04:01 | Russ|werk | they are really using 8 |
| 19:04:07 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i was getting to that :P |
| 19:04:17 | sorphin | the block is 8 |
| 19:04:23 | Russ|werk | if you make your machines smart, and the router smart, you can use the other 2 |
| 19:04:33 | sorphin | 1st ip is the subnet |
| 19:04:42 | sorphin | the last one is the broadcast |
| 19:04:47 | sorphin | in my case: |
| 19:05:12 | Russ|werk | hell, you could drop the router completely and use the ip for an 8th machine if you did it right |
| 19:05:44 | legodude | so an ISP says I want 192.168.0.10-18 to be a subnet |
| 19:05:49 | sorphin | i own 64.218.79.40/29 |
| 19:06:08 | sorphin | 64.218.79.40 is the network addr |
| 19:06:10 | legodude | ./29 corresponds to the subnet mask? |
| 19:06:17 | sorphin | 64.218.79.47 is the broadcast |
| 19:06:19 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:06:21 | Russ|werk | you can't make that a subnet... |
| 19:06:25 | sorphin | 255.255.255.248 |
| 19:06:33 | legodude | that's what I don't understand |
| 19:06:34 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:06:34 | Russ|werk | .10 isn't exactly base2 |
| 19:06:39 | legodude | where does the 248 come from |
| 19:06:42 | sorphin | russ, go back to sleep :P |
| 19:06:50 | legodude | Russ|werk: ja, I was just pulling numbers outta the air |
| 19:06:58 | sorphin | now.. |
| 19:07:23 | sorphin | the .248 is what the mask is figured out to, based on the # of subnets you want/hosts on that subnet |
| 19:07:33 | sorphin | say you wanted a subnet w/ 2 hosts |
| 19:07:58 | sorphin | it'd be 255.255.255.252 |
| 19:08:17 | Russ|werk | 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111100 |
| 19:08:22 | sorphin | right |
| 19:08:28 | sorphin | legodude: you understand binary math? |
| 19:08:31 | legodude | ja |
| 19:08:34 | sorphin | k |
| 19:08:35 | Russ|werk | thats 30 1's |
| 19:08:37 | Russ|werk | so /30 |
| 19:08:40 | sorphin | right |
| 19:08:43 | legodude | o |
| 19:08:44 | legodude | I see |
| 19:09:06 | legodude | but |
| 19:09:15 | legodude | nm |
| 19:09:18 | legodude | I'm being silly |
| 19:09:18 | Russ|werk | actually, thats 4 ips in that subnet, course, one is the subnet, and another the broadcast |
| 19:09:30 | sorphin | Russ|werk: 2 USEABLE :P |
| 19:09:31 | Russ|werk | xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx00 <- subnet |
| 19:09:39 | Russ|werk | xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx11 <- broadcast |
| 19:10:02 | sorphin | nother niceity |
| 19:10:08 | sorphin | is if your sw supports it |
| 19:10:12 | sorphin | you can use subnet 0 :P |
| 19:10:19 | sorphin | which i do on the lab |
| 19:10:36 | Russ|werk | rmk has a /23 subnet |
| 19:10:46 | Russ|werk | and he uses x.x.255.x for one of his ftp's |
| 19:11:01 | Russ|werk | windows hosts can't connect to it |
| 19:11:05 | legodude | hehe |
| 19:11:16 | sorphin | never have messed w/ the all 1's subnet |
| 19:11:18 | legodude | is a /23 a whole xxx.xxx.000.000 subnet? |
| 19:11:24 | Russ|werk | er, wait, I don't think I told that right... |
| 19:11:28 | Russ|werk | legodude: 23 1's |
| 19:11:42 | Russ|werk | 1111111 11111111 11111110 00000000 |
| 19:12:04 | Russ|werk | ok, the ip he was using was x.x.x.255 |
| 19:12:11 | legodude | ooh |
| 19:12:12 | legodude | okay |
| 19:12:25 | legodude | alright, why does one need a subnet mask in the first place |
| 19:12:30 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:12:41 | Russ|werk | legodude: so you can quickly tell if a host is on your network, or not |
| 19:13:07 | Russ|werk | your ip & mask == their ip & mask |
| 19:13:07 | sorphin | and so you can do things like w/ my dsl |
| 19:13:12 | Russ|werk | signals they are on your network |
| 19:13:24 | legodude | oooh |
| 19:13:27 | Russ|werk | (ip & mask gives subnet) |
| 19:13:35 | legodude | so then if they're not on the network you have to go to the gateway? |
| 19:13:42 | Russ|werk | right |
| 19:13:52 | legodude | I getcha |
| 19:13:58 | sorphin | yup |
| 19:13:58 | Russ|werk | or whatever router you have defined for that subnet |
| 19:14:03 | legodude | ja |
| 19:14:20 | legodude | actually this reminds me of my question |
| 19:14:28 | legodude | it's very similar |
| 19:14:37 | CosmicPenguin | Whats the good word? |
| 19:14:40 | legodude | me and the guys across the hall/next door want to setup our own network |
| 19:14:44 | sorphin | basically anything that isn't under 192.168.1.0, 192.168.0.0, or 64.218.79.41-45, go out the default route |
| 19:15:01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: how was your lunchtime quickie? *grin* |
| 19:15:07 | CosmicPenguin | Hey, did you know that there are 10 types of people in the world? Those who know binary, and those who don't |
| 19:15:14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: frustrating... :) |
| 19:15:32 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:15:55 | sorphin | if someone drops offline THAT fast, when the SO gets home, you know it's for a "nooner" :P |
| 19:16:51 | CosmicPenguin | It was either that, or talk to you... I think we all agree I made the right move.. |
| 19:17:04 | legodude | I don't agree |
| 19:17:12 | sorphin | haha |
| 19:17:21 | legodude | it is obvious that if I don't get any, no one else should |
| 19:17:48 | sorphin | legodude: jordan has to work at censoft, he needs a break now and then ;) |
| 19:17:49 | Russ|werk | dude, there are bugs in your eyelashes, that are getting laid right now, while you aren't |
| 19:18:07 | sorphin | Russ: easy there |
| 19:18:09 | CosmicPenguin | But just to dispel any wild rumors, there were no nooners in the Crouse household today |
| 19:18:17 | legodude | hehe |
| 19:18:21 | kergoth`lunch | hehe |
| 19:18:33 | CosmicPenguin | Unless my dad was pulling something, but thats none of my business |
| 19:18:35 | legodude | I'm an awful person but that still makes me happy :P |
| 19:20:07 | legodude | cranks the dmb |
| 19:21:51 | legodude | stupid ethernet died on my ppc machine |
| 19:22:04 | legodude | getting debian installed will not be easy |
| 19:22:28 | CosmicPenguin | Thats my biggest problem with Debian |
| 19:23:21 | sorphin | Russ: so, mr smartypants, how do you get away w/ using the network addr and the broadcast as regular addrs? :P (w/o mucking things up) :P |
| 19:23:34 | legodude | hehe |
| 19:24:10 | Russ|werk | sorphin: because upstream routers don't bother thinking of them as suck |
| 19:24:13 | Russ|werk | er, as such |
| 19:24:17 | Russ|werk | and route you those packets |
| 19:24:52 | Russ|werk | the easy stupid way is to make your machines think your subnet is bigger |
| 19:24:57 | legodude | so broadcast is non-essential? |
| 19:25:32 | sorphin | well |
| 19:25:37 | Russ|werk | the other way is to make the subnet on all machines /32, and then add point to point routes to the router |
| 19:25:48 | sorphin | it's an easy way to see what all's on your subnet when pinging ;) |
| 19:25:50 | Russ|werk | probably requires some packet mangling |
| 19:26:55 | Russ|werk | btw, has anyone else had their gcc toolchains break with the upgrade to glibc2.3? |
| 19:27:13 | sorphin | you mean *real* toolchains? nope |
| 19:28:19 | Russ|werk | cross compiler ones |
| 19:29:04 | sorphin | no, cuz none of my crosscompilers use a lib above 2.2.5 |
| 19:30:48 | Russ|werk | no, I mean, your host glibc |
| 19:30:57 | Russ|werk | not what the crosscompiler is compiled against |
| 19:31:07 | sorphin | i know |
| 19:31:13 | Russ|werk | all my crosscompilers now segfault when attempting to print an error or warning |
| 19:31:19 | sorphin | ugh |
| 19:31:34 | Russ|werk | (they are linked originally against glibc2.0 |
| 19:32:01 | Russ|werk | something with vfprintf |
| 19:36:01 | Russ|werk | ok, so all I have to do, is fix all the warnings... |
| 19:40:14 | legodude | is there such thing as a good, cheap arm dev board? |
| 19:40:38 | kergoth | arent cheap and good often mutually exclusive? :) |
| 19:40:48 | legodude | ja |
| 19:40:54 | legodude | but avr stuff is good and cheap |
| 19:41:00 | kergoth | true that |
| 19:41:19 | legodude | so I was curious if there was more that kinda stuff |
| 19:41:21 | legodude | I love my stk200 |
| 19:42:47 | Russ|werk | define "cheap" |
| 19:43:09 | Russ|werk | brb |
| 19:43:19 | legodude | under $200 |
| 19:43:24 | Russ|werk | no |
| 19:43:25 | legodude | just something to learn arm |
| 19:43:27 | legodude | ugh |
| 19:43:29 | Russ|werk | tuxscreen |
| 19:44:17 | legodude | but that's not fully documented so it has issues?, and not easy to hook external stuff to |
| 19:49:21 | Russ|werk | its a good board to learn arm-linux on |
| 19:49:30 | Russ|werk | not ideal, but you can't beat the price |
| 19:50:18 | Russ|werk | hey, the latest stealth plane went public |
| 19:50:26 | legodude | link? |
| 19:50:32 | Russ|werk | /. |
| 19:50:35 | legodude | k |
| 19:50:47 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:51:04 | legodude | very cool |
| 19:54:13 | legodude | aw |
| 19:54:16 | legodude | no new tech in it |
| 19:54:20 | legodude | and only prototype |
| 19:58:49 | prpplague | howdy mr. codepoet |
| 19:59:39 | sorphin | that's mr daemon to you ;) |
| 20:06:48 | Russ|werk | hey andersee |
| 20:07:52 | andersee | hey |
| 20:08:00 | sorphin | lo satan |
| 20:12:00 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:12:07 | kergoth | does busybox tar still do screwy things? |
| 20:12:18 | kergoth | is using a cvs pull from prior to the archival rework |
| 20:13:02 | legodude | how does one set the date on linux? |
| 20:13:14 | legodude | nm |
| 20:13:16 | legodude | silly me |
| 20:13:21 | kergoth | date. |
| 20:13:22 | kergoth | ;) |
| 20:13:32 | legodude | thought that only displayed |
| 20:13:40 | Russ|werk | rdate time.arizona.edu |
| 20:15:01 | sorphin | syncs w/ navobs1.wustl.edu :) |
| 20:17:41 | legodude | doesn't find arizona and connect refused from sorphin's |
| 20:18:07 | legodude | but time.nist.gov works |
| 20:18:15 | legodude | can rdate also set the date? |
| 20:18:29 | sorphin | welll |
| 20:18:34 | sorphin | navobs1 uses ntp :P |
| 20:18:38 | andersee | kergoth: Its been reported that busybox tar in unstable has some problems. It doesn't currently pass the test suite. I think bug1 broke it. |
| 20:19:18 | kergoth | andersee: okay, figured. thanks. |
| 20:19:25 | legodude | there we go |
| 20:28:10 | andersee | kergoth: I need to fix it |
| 20:52:18 | Russ|werk | time.arizona.edu CNAMEhopey.telcom.arizona.edu |
| 20:52:18 | Russ|werk | hopey.telcom.arizona.eduA128.196.128.234 |
| 20:59:31 | Russ|werk | hey tim |
| 21:06:07 | prpplague | just got off the phone when royal |
| 21:06:14 | prpplague | sorphin: she's a no go on the pda |
| 21:06:20 | sorphin | bah |
| 21:06:29 | sorphin | figures |
| 21:06:33 | prpplague | sorphin: turns out they were pushing vapoware |
| 21:06:54 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:07:01 | prpplague | sorphin: what they were gonna do is try to ship on of their "other comparable" models |
| 21:07:28 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:08:33 | legodude | what;s this? |
| 21:08:55 | prpplague | legodude: a linux pda by royal |
| 21:09:02 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey |
| 21:09:16 | legodude | they didn't do it? |
| 21:09:22 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya finally talked to someone who knew what was going on |
| 21:09:49 | prpplague | legodude: naw, apparently they were trying to push a mips based device |
| 21:10:33 | legodude | ahso |
| 21:14:41 | sorphin | prpplague: you know the old saying.. blame canada ;) |
| 21:15:11 | legodude | really wants a fast linux machine |
| 21:15:31 | prpplague | legodude: put one in a mustage and drive really fast |
| 21:15:40 | legodude | mustard? |
| 21:16:16 | prpplague | legodude: mustang |
| 21:16:27 | legodude | I know :P |
| 21:16:31 | prpplague | oh |
| 21:17:31 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll have to get one of those units anyway, might be fun to try and hack it |
| 21:18:40 | legodude | how much? |
| 21:19:12 | prpplague | legodude: $125 |
| 21:19:20 | legodude | wow |
| 21:19:22 | legodude | you have a link? |
| 21:19:30 | prpplague | legodude: with 16mb and $80 for the 8mb |
| 21:19:40 | prpplague | legodude: no, they faxed over the info |
| 21:19:45 | prpplague | legodude: very vague |
| 21:19:57 | prpplague | legodude: i'll probably order a couple next week |
| 21:20:20 | legodude | funky |
| 21:20:22 | legodude | it's mips? |
| 21:20:25 | legodude | greyscale? |
| 21:20:35 | legodude | $80 is cool |
| 21:20:46 | legodude | stupid college girls anger me |
| 21:21:26 | prpplague | legodude: ya, i could put up with them if they are cute and easy, :) |
| 21:21:38 | legodude | they are easy |
| 21:21:41 | legodude | but not cute |
| 21:21:44 | legodude | skanky |
| 21:21:47 | legodude | and stupid |
| 21:21:55 | legodude | and I've got the ueber Jillz0r |
| 21:21:58 | prpplague | legodude: use and abuse, then move on |
| 21:22:26 | legodude | I'd probably get diseased if I used, can't move on cause they live across the hall from me |
| 21:24:57 | andersee | legodude: earplugs |
| 21:25:22 | legodude | tru |
| 21:25:33 | legodude | those would help with roommate's music too |
| 21:29:53 | legodude | prpplague: so what is this pda? |
| 21:29:53 | legodude | some stealth pda? |
| 21:29:59 | legodude | or they just haven't announced it yet? |
| 21:35:09 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder why nobody has bothered naming their pda the Stealth |
| 21:35:18 | BZFlag | http://www.softfield.com/ ? |
| 21:36:00 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: just because nobody has ever seen a working model, doesn't mean its Stealth... :) |
| 21:36:59 | BZFlag | the agenda vr3 is still around. it's not vapor. it's slow, but it's not vapor. |
| 21:37:10 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: jk |
| 21:37:19 | BZFlag | I have some vapor pdas. ;-) |
| 21:37:43 | BZFlag | kaii, vercel, ... ;-) |
| 21:38:02 | CosmicPenguin | looks at his graveyard |
| 21:39:12 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:40:35 | legodude | I'll take your excess pdas off your hand |
| 21:40:36 | legodude | really |
| 21:40:42 | legodude | it wouldn't be a problem |
| 21:40:47 | legodude | extra gold bars too |
| 21:40:56 | BZFlag | has quite the collection of odd hardware. clio, audrey, yopy, thinkpad z50, vr3, Z 5000D, i-opener, various setop boxes, etc. |
| 21:41:05 | legodude | salivates |
| 21:41:08 | legodude | I've got an I-Opener |
| 21:41:29 | legodude | got's the z50? |
| 21:41:35 | legodude | where did support finally end up for that? |
| 21:42:27 | BZFlag | support? |
| 21:42:41 | legodude | could you run linux nicely on it with X? |
| 21:42:44 | legodude | or what? |
| 21:43:07 | BZFlag | have not tried. I have put *bsd on it. but have not gotten back to trying Linux. |
| 21:43:19 | CosmicPenguin | Lemme see - two dorados, one of these http://www.elabco.co.za/Products.htm#Gateway, various motherboards, at least 3 other Geode based boards, and three boards with a TX3912 procesor |
| 21:43:50 | CosmicPenguin | And a ZFMicro dev kit |
| 21:44:12 | BZFlag | oh, yeah I forgot the Compaq IA1 |
| 21:44:41 | BZFlag | 2 cobalt qubes, one cobalt raq, old sparc, hppa box, ncr xterminal... |
| 21:44:57 | CosmicPenguin | And I think I have a yopy and vr3 somewhere in here to. Plus about a dozen various cheap Royal PDAs |
| 21:44:58 | BZFlag | not to mention tuxscreens ;-) |
| 21:45:47 | CosmicPenguin | Fun stuff - its not an office without dead hardware |
| 21:46:07 | BZFlag | hey. onlt some of it is actually dead. ;-) |
| 21:46:20 | BZFlag | er only |
| 21:48:26 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-10-18 20:52:21 | Kramnik and Deep Fritz Draw, Tied Before Final Game | Boeing Bird of Prey Stealth Fighter | Lucky Green vs. Palladium | Floor Vacuum Robot for $200 |
| 21:48:26 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: slashdot |
| 21:49:09 | CosmicPenguin | Read that bit about the chess match - apparently they set up the computer so that it kept saying Shakesperean comments to Kramnik to confuse him |
| 21:50:07 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=556 |
| 21:58:35 | scanline | is back (gone 02:07:46) |
| 22:00:46 | legodude | has cool hardware |
| 22:00:50 | legodude | but not so much embedded |
| 22:03:08 | CosmicPenguin | Well, technially none of the stuff we mentioned is truely embedded, but thats not the point |
| 22:50:06 | legodude | CosmicPenguin: it |
| 22:50:17 | legodude | CosmicPenguin: it's a lot more embedded than, say, my Ultra 30 |
| 22:55:28 | legodude | damn is my connection to my house laggy |
| 23:05:18 | legodude | should load BZFlag on the Octane once he gets it up and running |
| 23:13:31 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Location: Dodge Direction: Out |
| 23:16:12 | mastermnd | can someone point me in the right direction for getting the touchscreen recognized in X in familiar? |
| 23:26:15 | BZFlag | legodude: yes yes. ;-) |
| 23:49:48 | scanline | is away: 1 hour nap |