| 00:00:13 | file[laptop] | didn't somebody already do that? |
| 00:00:28 | prpplague | jacques: ya i think you mentioned it |
| 00:01:53 | file[laptop] | oh wait... that was Alpha |
| 00:01:53 | jacques | file[laptop]: if they did the head gentoo developers aren't aware of it |
| 00:02:16 | jacques | yeah and if that guy had kept notes I would be done by now |
| 00:02:24 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:02:42 | prpplague | jacques: ya i ran into the same problem with getting x running on the zaurus |
| 00:03:06 | jacques | hmm I did publish a howto... |
| 00:15:48 | prpplague | for the z? |
| 00:37:13 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: evening |
| 00:40:50 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: hey - I gotta leave here shortly for the SLLUG meeting |
| 00:41:27 | cpenguin_home | But anyway, the thing we were discussing was tabled until the whole executive council could chime in |
| 00:41:47 | cpenguin_home | But he was excited to know that there were people ready to port it to the Z and Tuxscreen |
| 00:43:06 | cpenguin_home | is away: slugging away in Margaritaville |
| 01:15:09 | ade | is away: with the dreamy people |
| 01:26:39 | bhima | anybody think there'd be interest in a generic minimalist tuxscreen daughterboard? voltage regulation, LCD hookup, serial port, a PIC with i2c, and a small prototype area. |
| 02:00:48 | bhima | hi goth. |
| 02:01:06 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:01:51 | bhima | I'm fine tuning my tuxscreen PCB. |
| 02:02:05 | bhima | trying to decide what to do with the remainign space. |
| 02:04:57 | bhima | what're you up to? |
| 02:05:20 | kergoth | takin it easy.. relaxin. been a long ass day |
| 02:23:22 | CaCtus491 | how would I get the microwindows demos compiled in the image? |
| 02:48:31 | MonMotha | bhima: I take it this is to replace the stock comm board? |
| 03:03:39 | CaCtus491 | how do you overclock the cpu in the tux? |
| 03:10:04 | sorphin | CaCtus491: you really need to read through wiki/links from the wiki |
| 03:10:35 | sorphin | MonMotha: out of boredom, just measured.. power here is 118.4V |
| 03:10:38 | bhima | mon: yup. I want one that is smaller, and has more features. |
| 03:10:51 | MonMotha | bhima: ah, the design would be way over my head |
| 03:10:53 | bhima | sorphin: is that using a true RMS multimeter. |
| 03:10:54 | CaCtus491 | I'd really like to do that, and save asking q's here, but the wiki pages always seem broke |
| 03:11:03 | sorphin | bhima: yes |
| 03:11:06 | MonMotha | CaCtus491: just keep hitting reload :) |
| 03:11:15 | MonMotha | though I haven' tseen any links to overclocking |
| 03:11:17 | bhima | mon: well, it's not really that hard. making sure the wiring is right is the hardest part :) |
| 03:11:26 | cpenguin_home | is back (gone 02:28:20) |
| 03:11:27 | bhima | we'll see what happens when I try it out of course.... |
| 03:11:41 | bhima | plus I'll need to write some PIC code. |
| 03:11:54 | CaCtus491 | whatcha making? |
| 03:12:08 | sorphin | bhima: i got a nice RS True RMS meter.. measures everything but inductance, heh |
| 03:12:18 | bhima | I want a small tuxscreen with lots of analog and digital IOs that fits in my car's dash. |
| 03:12:33 | bhima | olimex++ for, it appears, offering cheap boards taht are very good. |
| 03:12:39 | CaCtus491 | ....from what I gather the tux runs at 133mhz but can be overclocked to 206? does that sound right? |
| 03:12:50 | bhima | cact: that sounds about right, yes. |
| 03:13:10 | CaCtus491 | ok, searching for 'overclock' on the wiki doesn't seem to help :( |
| 03:13:37 | CaCtus491 | anyways, time to go :(, cya's later |
| 03:14:56 | sorphin | my UPS prolly adjusts up to 120 (or maybe 118 is w/in tolerance) |
| 03:15:47 | MonMotha | sorphin: we seem to run from 121-125 on average here, sometimes hitting up to 130 (it's at 122 today, was at just under 121 yesterday) |
| 03:15:53 | MonMotha | horrible horrible power |
| 03:16:09 | MonMotha | I don't know how it can possibly vary that much |
| 03:16:16 | MonMotha | then again it could be my meter :) |
| 03:18:38 | sorphin | could be |
| 03:18:51 | sorphin | this is a really nice meter, i was surprised (considering it came from RS) |
| 03:19:13 | MonMotha | rs does have some decent stuff (their soldering gear is surprisingly good) |
| 03:19:15 | sorphin | tho, i've had times the capacitance measuring wasn't low enough |
| 03:19:49 | sorphin | twas/is: 22-174A |
| 03:20:48 | MonMotha | hum, I really wish the gentoo peeps woudl stop breaking stuff |
| 03:21:00 | sorphin | stop upgrading ;) |
| 03:27:38 | MonMotha | oh well, my tux has 2 serial ports :) |
| 03:27:54 | MonMotha | now I just need to make the audio behave as it should (IE, shanip) |
| 03:28:06 | bhima | which strongarm ports are they? |
| 03:29:11 | MonMotha | 0 and 1 |
| 03:29:47 | MonMotha | basically I did the serial port half of the shanip232 page |
| 03:29:49 | MonMotha | anyway |
| 03:29:51 | MonMotha | -> bed |
| 03:29:56 | bhima | looks confuzzled. I thought that 0 was USB. or is that switchable? |
| 03:30:24 | MonMotha | I could have sworn they were 0 and 1, but I could be wrong |
| 03:30:46 | MonMotha | I keep forgetting that SA-1100 is a USB client...should investigate modding that in :) |
| 03:31:36 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:31:48 | sorphin | nah, usb isn't very useful ;) |
| 03:32:10 | MonMotha | it's faster than RS-232 and it wouldn't require a PCMCIA ethernet card (which I lack) |
| 03:32:16 | MonMotha | though I agree, it's not very useful :) |
| 03:32:23 | MonMotha | too bad it's not USB host |
| 03:32:38 | MonMotha | (see, this is why I think USB is crap and we shoudl all be using IEEE-1394 :) |
| 03:32:48 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:32:52 | MonMotha | anyway |
| 03:32:55 | MonMotha | I'm really -> bed now |
| 03:33:03 | sorphin | MonMotha: you prolly think bluetooth rul3z too ;p |
| 03:33:44 | bhima | I think that bluetooth is really nice. |
| 03:33:52 | bhima | but that's cause of power consumption and chipset size issues. |
| 03:34:21 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:34:25 | sorphin | to quote a friend |
| 03:34:32 | sorphin | "RF leaking serial" :P |
| 03:35:03 | bhima | USB 2.x may eventually include combined host/device foo. |
| 03:35:15 | bhima | there's apparently some stnadards-making noise to do that. |
| 03:35:25 | bhima | cause of too many devices like strongarms that really should be both. |
| 04:58:33 | bhima | waves |
| 04:59:00 | LIM|ZZZzzz | snorts |
| 04:59:26 | bhima | sniffles |
| 04:59:33 | LIM|Away | showers |
| 05:20:58 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:27:46 | scanline | is away: Zzzzz.... |
| 14:16:17 | scanline | is back (gone 08:48:31) |
| 14:17:30 | CosmicPenguin | Good mornin |
| 14:20:00 | sorphin | is not |
| 14:23:03 | CosmicPenguin | Man, ain't technology great? |
| 14:23:13 | CosmicPenguin | I just talked to my mom in Austria, it sounded like she was across the street |
| 14:23:27 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:23:52 | CosmicPenguin | So thats how I know that it wasn't a Worldcom network... :) |
| 14:24:13 | sorphin | wouldn't know |
| 14:24:34 | sorphin | nor care for that matter |
| 14:24:46 | sorphin | isn't loyal to wcom, i just work here/collect a paycheck |
| 14:31:40 | sorphin | taunts prpplague w/ ibm linux drivers |
| 14:38:52 | ade | is away: coffee |
| 14:42:13 | prpplague | sorphin: speaking of that |
| 14:42:21 | prpplague | checks ibm site |
| 14:42:37 | sorphin | awaits for the inevitable, "no change" |
| 14:43:27 | kergoth | morning guys |
| 14:44:02 | sorphin | don't remind me |
| 14:44:06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:44:16 | kergoth | but tomorrow's friday.. gotta remember that |
| 14:44:28 | sorphin | yeah, but today's not. |
| 14:44:38 | kergoth | true that |
| 14:44:50 | prpplague | kergoth: you got that src.rpm for me? |
| 14:45:25 | kergoth | prpplague: jeanne just emailed it to you after i tested it |
| 14:46:51 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh got it, wasn't looking for jeanne's address |
| 14:47:36 | prpplague | wahooo!! ibm final has drivers available |
| 14:49:27 | prpplague | argh, freakin idiots, its a zip file and the instructions are ms-docs |
| 14:56:44 | sorphin | haha :P |
| 14:57:01 | CosmicPenguin | thinks thats funny in a sad way |
| 15:28:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: these guys at ibm have no clue......, they sure have opened my eyes to the hypocracy of ibm |
| 15:42:24 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:51:49 | prpplague | man rhat8 is driving ppl away from rhat in droves |
| 15:52:24 | prpplague | virtually all of my friend who were running rhat and tried rhat8 have gone to gentoo or debian |
| 15:55:51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wolw |
| 16:03:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you tried it? |
| 16:05:14 | mallum | prpplague: how come ? |
| 16:09:11 | prpplague | mallum: its horrible, mis-matched packages, the escape codes codes for xterm and linux console have been jacked with, they've droped all the standard apps that rhat ppl are used to using |
| 16:09:11 | prpplague | mallum: i found it totally usuable |
| 16:09:25 | mallum | prpplague: but is the gnome2 stuff nice ? |
| 16:10:08 | mallum | prpplague: red hats always been a bit of a mess ( config wise ) when compared to debian etc |
| 16:10:48 | kergoth | hugs /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:10:48 | prpplague | mallum: it _looks_ good, but, like i said, i found it totally unsuable, functionally there was nothing that was "common sense" about it |
| 16:19:51 | mallum | prpplague: :( |
| 16:20:32 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hey have you ever done any heavy XImage / XVisual related hacking , eg mapping a 32bit rgba[] like array onto an X visual ? |
| 16:48:20 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:41:20 | sorphin | allo jules |
| 17:41:28 | Morn | hey |
| 17:41:33 | sorphin | hows you? |
| 17:41:41 | Morn | pretty good, you? |
| 17:41:55 | Morn | I've been experimenting with digital video editing |
| 17:42:05 | sorphin | tired, minorly sore (from the back adjustments), bout to install solaris on 10 machines (1 at a time :P ) |
| 17:42:16 | Morn | solaris 10 is out? |
| 17:42:23 | sorphin | nono |
| 17:42:25 | sorphin | reread |
| 17:42:30 | sorphin | solaris ON 10 machines |
| 17:42:30 | Morn | ah |
| 17:42:31 | Morn | ok |
| 17:42:39 | sorphin | 8 for intel |
| 17:42:45 | Morn | Nermal works for sun and is running solaris 10 |
| 17:42:49 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:42:50 | Morn | I thought I had missed something |
| 17:42:57 | sorphin | my friend gavin works for sun too |
| 17:43:03 | sorphin | he's in scotland |
| 17:43:24 | sorphin | i know nermal's in the uk, but dunno where |
| 17:43:47 | Morn | me either |
| 17:44:34 | sorphin | he's online but not in the channel |
| 17:47:13 | Morn | why can't ATI record to standard MPEG-2 video files? |
| 17:47:18 | Morn | argh! |
| 17:47:41 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:47:56 | sorphin | the same reason that new Creative Video Blaster Digital VCR can't |
| 17:48:10 | sorphin | they wanna be stubborn |
| 17:48:14 | Morn | it says it's MPEG-2 for DVD, but the streams aren't standard |
| 17:48:30 | sorphin | neither are tivo's ;) |
| 17:48:32 | Morn | it's frustrating because I can't just take the files and create a DVD from them |
| 17:48:46 | sorphin | what does mpginfo say about it? |
| 17:49:03 | sorphin | you DO have a unix box w/ mpginfo on it, riiight? |
| 17:49:12 | Morn | I haven't tried that, but from what I can see (Using windows) is there is a 3rd stream in the file |
| 17:49:22 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:49:28 | Morn | a lot of programs don't see the audio stream in the file and think it is just video |
| 17:49:45 | sorphin | it's not saving as funky audio is it? |
| 17:49:57 | Morn | it's using mpeg layer 2 audio |
| 17:50:08 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:50:32 | sorphin | can you send me a small chunk? |
| 17:50:50 | Morn | let me go check the mail first |
| 17:50:57 | Morn | and then I'll grab some for ya |
| 17:51:51 | sorphin | k |
| 18:00:41 | Morn | where should I put this video for you? |
| 18:00:56 | sorphin | how big is it? |
| 18:01:11 | Morn | 35 Meg, should I make it smaller? |
| 18:01:22 | Morn | it's a 45 second clip |
| 18:01:25 | sorphin | well, how fast is your outgoing link? |
| 18:01:34 | Morn | 768 kb/s |
| 18:01:38 | sorphin | k |
| 18:01:42 | sorphin | should be fine then |
| 18:01:45 | sorphin | has 1536 |
| 18:02:13 | sorphin | just dcc it if you want |
| 18:02:54 | Morn | 768 is the fastest you can get where I live |
| 18:03:00 | Morn | I should be happy I have that |
| 18:03:10 | sorphin | ahh |
| 18:04:02 | Morn | there you go |
| 18:04:06 | sorphin | nope |
| 18:04:12 | sorphin | -:- DCC Handshake ignored because of 0 port or address [35121:0.0.0.0] |
| 18:04:24 | Morn | oh, maybe because I'm using ipv6 |
| 18:04:31 | sorphin | prolly |
| 18:04:42 | Morn | let me put it on my website for you |
| 18:04:45 | sorphin | k |
| 18:07:06 | Morn | http://julie.magenet.com/images/Sorphin.mp2 |
| 18:07:10 | sorphin | k |
| 18:22:58 | sorphin | Morn: eww |
| 18:23:07 | sorphin | 640x240 non interlaced? |
| 18:23:10 | sorphin | wtf |
| 18:23:38 | Morn | ? |
| 18:23:53 | Morn | that was one of the default settings |
| 18:23:58 | sorphin | Sorphin.mp2 |
| 18:23:58 | sorphin | Mpeg 2 Program Stream File [Video/Audio] |
| 18:23:58 | sorphin | Muxrate : 6.54 Mbps |
| 18:23:58 | sorphin | Estimated Duration: 35.13s |
| 18:23:59 | sorphin | Aspect ratio 4/3 (TV) |
| 18:23:59 | sorphin | Not interlaced, chroma format: 4:2:0 |
| 18:24:01 | sorphin | Video Format: NTSC |
| 18:24:03 | sorphin | Size [640 x 240] 29.97 fps 6.00 Mbps |
| 18:24:05 | sorphin | Audio : Mpeg 1 layer 2 |
| 18:24:07 | sorphin | 224 kbps 44100 Hz |
| 18:24:09 | sorphin | Stereo, No emphasis |
| 18:24:49 | sorphin | what kinda card is this? an allinwonder i'm guessing? |
| 18:24:55 | Morn | right |
| 18:24:58 | Morn | 8500DV |
| 18:25:31 | Morn | I would guess de-interlaced is a good thing |
| 18:25:48 | sorphin | yes |
| 18:25:57 | Nermal | meep |
| 18:26:01 | sorphin | grins |
| 18:26:08 | Nermal | :) |
| 18:26:10 | sorphin | i hate having to /m everythign ;p |
| 18:26:21 | Nermal | eats a frozen mars bar |
| 18:26:25 | Nermal | sorphin: /query :P |
| 18:26:28 | sorphin | where are you over in the UK? |
| 18:26:30 | sorphin | nah |
| 18:26:34 | sorphin | then i can't talk in here too ;p |
| 18:26:35 | Nermal | surrey |
| 18:26:39 | sorphin | ahh |
| 18:27:09 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:27:54 | Morn | the dvd setting records it at 780x480 8Mb/s |
| 18:27:55 | sorphin | you heard anything bout the layoff stuff? was talking to my friend gavin (also from sun, but up in scotland), and we found the "rumor" sjhill saw about 6k of layoffs was some analyst speculating |
| 18:28:10 | sorphin | Morn: can't you customize? ;p |
| 18:28:19 | Nermal | hmm.. dunno |
| 18:28:20 | Morn | yeah |
| 18:28:26 | Morn | what would be good settings? |
| 18:29:06 | sorphin | well, dvd goes at 720x480 |
| 18:29:17 | sorphin | dunno where they come up w/ 780x480 |
| 18:29:50 | sorphin | and definately do VBR if you can |
| 18:30:08 | Morn | for re-editing CBR is better |
| 18:30:15 | sorphin | bah |
| 18:30:28 | sorphin | that's why you do it right hte 1st time ;p |
| 18:30:43 | Morn | I still need to edit out commercials |
| 18:30:52 | Morn | unless you have some way of doing that automagically |
| 18:30:57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:31:08 | sorphin | actually on unix, i'd use GOPchop |
| 18:31:21 | sorphin | works fairly well |
| 18:31:48 | Morn | my video machine is XP |
| 18:31:54 | sorphin | and there's no reencoding involved :P |
| 18:32:03 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:32:05 | Morn | unless you can show me a good DVD authoring program that works in unix (linux) |
| 18:32:20 | sorphin | haven't even looked myself |
| 18:32:26 | Morn | something that lets me create menus and screen changes |
| 18:32:31 | sorphin | i just registered the other day to win a 105 :P |
| 18:32:33 | Morn | I looked, there is nothing |
| 18:33:07 | Morn | plus half the hardware I have on this machine isn't supported by linux |
| 18:33:37 | Morn | and the sad part is it isn't linux's fault, the companies won't fork over the specs for people to write drivers |
| 18:33:47 | sorphin | yeah |
| 18:34:14 | Morn | I know for a fact that Microsoft bullies a lot of these companies into only supporting windows |
| 18:34:52 | Morn | I'm positive that Bill Gates consistently got "Does not play well with others" marks in kindergarden |
| 18:35:23 | sorphin | yeah |
| 18:36:50 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:37:03 | bhima | google sponsored ads rock. I've started using them to find companies. |
| 18:37:06 | sorphin | you said 3 streams? mpginfo only sees 2 |
| 18:37:27 | Morn | when I open it with tmpgenc it shows 3 streams |
| 18:38:15 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:39:15 | sorphin | lemme drag it to work and look.. |
| 18:43:47 | Morn | when I open it in TMPGEnc it shows video_stream 0x00 autdio_stream 0x00 and private_stream_1 0x00 |
| 18:44:05 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:45:09 | Morn | I need a better way of cutting mpegs though |
| 18:45:24 | Morn | with windows, they either crash a lot or the audio and video gets out of sync |
| 18:45:33 | sorphin | well, GOPchop would work greate if you can get it working for windows |
| 18:45:37 | sorphin | -e |
| 18:45:49 | Morn | is it visual? |
| 18:45:55 | sorphin | yes |
| 18:46:00 | Morn | because I edit down to the frame level |
| 18:46:13 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:46:31 | Morn | I wonder how well it work across the network? |
| 18:46:32 | sorphin | this edits as precise as you need :P |
| 18:46:36 | Morn | my laptop runs linux |
| 18:46:50 | sorphin | 100base? |
| 18:46:52 | Morn | if I could edit the files on the XP share |
| 18:47:06 | Morn | yes 100 baset full duplex |
| 18:47:16 | sorphin | that might work then |
| 18:50:01 | file | prpplague: did you call? |
| 18:50:21 | Morn | I'm going to compile it for solaris (or at least try) |
| 18:50:29 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:52:47 | prpplague | file: yes there are checking |
| 18:52:59 | prpplague | file: they think it's held up in customs |
| 18:53:06 | file | prpplague: oh ic |
| 18:53:14 | file | prpplague: what did you put on as an amount? |
| 18:53:15 | sorphin | ont the TSCX still? :P |
| 18:53:23 | prpplague | sorphin: ya |
| 18:53:27 | prpplague | file: $25 |
| 18:53:31 | file | prpplague: k |
| 18:53:38 | file | prpplague: they probably don't know what it is |
| 18:53:38 | sorphin | goo grief |
| 18:53:43 | sorphin | it's only been like months now :P |
| 18:53:47 | file | sorphin: 5 weeks |
| 18:54:24 | sorphin | umm |
| 18:54:26 | file | prpplague: did they say how long it might take to check? |
| 18:54:28 | sorphin | sure seems longer :P |
| 18:54:38 | file | is buying a watch to keep him sane |
| 19:02:10 | file | sorphin: er actually your right, he originally sent it and it got sent back... |
| 19:02:21 | sorphin | i figured |
| 19:02:23 | file | so if you include that... probably months |
| 19:02:30 | sorphin | seemed like it'd been atleast a couple months |
| 19:03:00 | file | of all the things to get hung up at customs... a linux box and a hub... |
| 19:03:13 | Morn | sorphin: though I'm guessing most of these routines are tweaked for intel not sparc processors |
| 19:03:28 | sorphin | no idea |
| 19:07:46 | sorphin | Morn: um.. could you change the extension of that file so i can pull it to work? |
| 19:07:48 | sorphin | grins |
| 19:08:05 | Morn | what would you like it to be? |
| 19:08:32 | sorphin | i dunno just need it something windows doesn't already mimetype |
| 19:08:38 | sorphin | hell, .foo |
| 19:08:46 | file | .file |
| 19:08:49 | Morn | done |
| 19:09:00 | sorphin | ta |
| 19:09:22 | Morn | I'm still compiling the things GOPChop depends on |
| 19:10:00 | Nermal | wants tuxscreen to play mp3s :| |
| 19:10:12 | sorphin | Morn: fun fun |
| 19:11:34 | sorphin | heh, seems my route to you from home is faster than my route to you from work.. |
| 19:11:35 | Morn | at least Netscape doesn't crash my X server for windows now |
| 19:12:20 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:12:44 | Morn | when I upgraded the Gnome 2.0 stuff when it came out Netscape stopped crashing |
| 19:12:53 | Morn | so it may have been an actual Gnome issue |
| 19:13:08 | sorphin | prolly |
| 19:14:10 | CosmicPenguin | gnome 2.0 is a badddd idea |
| 19:14:22 | sorphin | doesn't use gnome at all, ever |
| 19:14:37 | Nermal | but.. how will your desktop look pwetty ? :) |
| 19:14:41 | Morn | I like Gnome 2.0... is that bad? |
| 19:14:49 | sorphin | Nermal: windowmaker |
| 19:14:52 | Nermal | hmm |
| 19:14:56 | Nermal | I used to use windowmaker |
| 19:15:23 | Nermal | http://awoot.com/misc/gnome_drool.jpg :) |
| 19:15:26 | sorphin | i still do |
| 19:16:17 | sorphin | Nermal: looks like windows on crack ;p |
| 19:16:23 | Nermal | yay :D |
| 19:16:42 | sorphin | what do you do for sun? |
| 19:16:43 | Nermal | http://awoot.com/misc/mydesktop.jpg <-- windowmaker |
| 19:17:13 | sorphin | Nermal: i actually have stuff on the sides and the top |
| 19:17:19 | CosmicPenguin | I like how gnome 2 looks, but the internals are just way too ugly |
| 19:17:45 | Morn | Well, I'm generally not messing with the internals of Gnome so I should be safe |
| 19:19:02 | CosmicPenguin | True, but thats some serious bloatware going on there.... I just don't believe that there should be a minimum processor to use a toolkit in Linux |
| 19:19:46 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I use FVWM, so I am obviously screwed in the head |
| 19:20:06 | Morn | we knew that |
| 19:20:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey did this deal fall through? - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4430982785.html |
| 19:20:35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's old news jordan ;) |
| 19:21:00 | file | prpplague: arg matey, any idea when USPS will get back to you? |
| 19:21:11 | sorphin | never |
| 19:21:19 | sorphin | USPS is horrid at tracing :P |
| 19:21:31 | | ACTION file: no |
| 19:21:31 | prpplague | ibot: tell file |
| 19:21:36 | sorphin | just quit being a cheap whore |
| 19:21:36 | Morn | I wonder if there is a LUG by me |
| 19:21:43 | sorphin | and send it gnd or 3day |
| 19:21:46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hehe..... yep |
| 19:21:46 | sorphin | Morn: prolly |
| 19:21:49 | sorphin | there's one everywhere |
| 19:22:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is the pda still going to be made? |
| 19:22:03 | file | sorphin: I didn't pay, prpplague did so I wanted it to be as cheap as possible and USPS was the closest shipping place |
| 19:22:31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know.... Lineo might have picked it up, but the last we heard, the deal for the hardware fell through too |
| 19:22:34 | sorphin | file: well, you know the saying "you get what you pay for" |
| 19:22:48 | sorphin | tho, i've had no probs w/ global priority |
| 19:23:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, they still have it on their web sire |
| 19:23:10 | prpplague | site |
| 19:23:11 | file | $$$ |
| 19:23:32 | sorphin | file: um.. it's not that bad :P |
| 19:23:50 | sorphin | Morn: what ver of tmpgenc you usin? |
| 19:24:14 | Morn | 2.56 |
| 19:24:36 | sorphin | hmm |
| 19:25:04 | sorphin | guess i installed this at home.. i had a copy of Plus |
| 19:25:33 | Morn | I need to dig up $50 to get a copy of plus |
| 19:25:37 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:25:39 | sorphin | i didn't |
| 19:25:46 | sorphin | i downloaded it and grabbed the crack ;p |
| 19:27:14 | Morn | but when I use tmpgenc to re-mux the files it puts the proportions out of whack |
| 19:27:23 | Morn | I think because it should be using square pixels |
| 19:27:29 | sorphin | possibly |
| 19:27:38 | Morn | otherwise the picture looks squished |
| 19:27:57 | prpplague | on the phone with royal |
| 19:28:49 | sorphin | hops on crackcrawler |
| 19:29:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya sounds like lineo has got their qt-crack on it |
| 19:35:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i've placed an order for two of them |
| 19:36:12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you can order them? |
| 19:36:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: she took my order |
| 19:37:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: get this, she said the cost was $125.00 |
| 19:37:47 | sorphin | for ? |
| 19:37:51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats about right |
| 19:38:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? |
| 19:38:16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I think the price point when we were doing it was going to be $175 or so |
| 19:38:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wow |
| 19:38:45 | sorphin | prods POS boy |
| 19:38:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: of course, assuming that you are getting one of their PDAs with Linux |
| 19:38:58 | CosmicPenguin | has a box full of POS Royal PDAs |
| 19:39:11 | CosmicPenguin | They make about 15 different models, IRC |
| 19:39:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they called it linia "with embedix" |
| 19:40:14 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4430982785.html |
| 19:40:53 | sorphin | heh, neat |
| 19:41:02 | sorphin | umm |
| 19:41:11 | sorphin | Royal Lin@x PDA ? |
| 19:41:15 | sorphin | wtf |
| 19:41:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but that seems way too cheap? $125 bucks? |
| 19:42:13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Royal makes cheat sh*t |
| 19:42:19 | CosmicPenguin | s/cheat/cheap/ |
| 19:42:39 | CosmicPenguin | And maybe Tim worked out a good deal - but I don't understand why they didn't press it more |
| 19:42:46 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe Sharp paid them off... |
| 19:43:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: f@#$ if they hit the market at $125 thats gonna be awesome |
| 19:44:34 | sorphin | prpplague: um.. where did you order? |
| 19:45:11 | file | CosmicPenguin: oh you mean Tim might be selling these? |
| 19:45:41 | prpplague | sorphin: direct from royal |
| 19:45:54 | sorphin | heh, got a url/number? :P |
| 19:46:58 | sorphin | for $125, i'll buy one.. even if it does run Censoft stuff ;) |
| 19:47:41 | scanline | is back (gone 02:59:21) |
| 19:47:58 | prpplague | 800-524-0799 ext 6517 |
| 19:50:12 | sorphin | and you didn't tell them who you worked for, just a normal order ? |
| 19:51:13 | kergoth | er, 125? |
| 19:51:16 | kergoth | boggles |
| 19:53:30 | sorphin | kergoth: cheap innit? |
| 19:53:38 | kergoth | very |
| 19:53:51 | kergoth | blew $400 on the sl5000d a year ago |
| 19:53:53 | sorphin | prods prp |
| 19:55:42 | sorphin | ha |
| 19:55:44 | sorphin | their website: |
| 19:55:45 | sorphin | LIN@X |
| 19:55:46 | sorphin | : $0.00 |
| 19:55:54 | kergoth | i'll take 5 |
| 19:55:56 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:55:57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:56:09 | sorphin | i'll take 1, and if i like it, one more ;) |
| 19:56:17 | sorphin | i usually buy things in pairs for redundancy |
| 19:56:27 | sorphin | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 19:56:34 | sorphin | AOLserver/3.4.2 |
| 19:56:40 | sorphin | is what their webserver is |
| 19:56:58 | CosmicPenguin | file: no |
| 19:57:09 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:59:37 | prpplague | sorphin: no, i just called in and ordered 2 of the linia16's |
| 19:59:44 | sorphin | k |
| 19:59:57 | prpplague | sorphin: the chick is suppose to call back tomorrow with the shipping info |
| 20:00:08 | sorphin | k |
| 20:00:19 | sorphin | i think i'll wait till yours actually SHIP before i order, just in case ;) |
| 20:01:00 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 20:01:13 | sorphin | just to be safe and all ;) |
| 20:01:33 | sorphin | "oh, mr joebob, i'm sorry, that total i gave you was wrong, it should have been $225/each" ;) |
| 20:01:58 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, ya well, even at $225 that would be nice |
| 20:02:05 | sorphin | true |
| 20:02:10 | sorphin | but still |
| 20:03:28 | prpplague | i just don't understand why dev boards cost so much |
| 20:03:34 | sorphin | where di dyou find that it's the "linia16" ? |
| 20:04:01 | prpplague | sorphin: she gave me the specs over the phone, she is suppose to fax over a copy |
| 20:04:12 | sorphin | Morn: if you want a serial for the latest TMPGenvplus, i have one here :) |
| 20:04:20 | sorphin | prpplague: today ? |
| 20:04:54 | prpplague | sorphin: she said today |
| 20:04:59 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:05:14 | sorphin | well, if it's before i leave work, could you fax it to me ? |
| 20:05:25 | prpplague | sorphin: will do |
| 20:05:44 | sorphin | lemme know when you get it and i'll get our fax # |
| 20:06:12 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll scan it and email |
| 20:06:21 | | sorphin is sorphin. |
| 20:06:21 | prpplague | ibot: sorphin |
| 20:06:21 | sorphin | that'll work too :) |
| 20:06:27 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:07:10 | sorphin | Morn: hmm.. tmpgenc plus (and non plus) doesn't like the clip.. |
| 20:10:05 | prpplague | i just can't believe the cheapest vr4181 dev board i've found is $1600 |
| 20:10:23 | prpplague | you'd think manufacturers would want ppl to develop on their board |
| 20:10:34 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:21:38 | sorphin | and there's mr lineo now *grin* |
| 20:25:05 | CosmicPenguin | learns how to set seomething on fire, with the GIMP |
| 20:25:16 | sorphin | cool |
| 20:48:42 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey did you lineo guys get the royal pda job? |
| 20:49:46 | BZFlag | unclear at this time. |
| 20:50:49 | prpplague | BZFlag: intersting, i just placed an order for two units from royal about an hour ago |
| 20:51:10 | sorphin | and i'm going to as soon as prpplague's is "confirmed" |
| 20:51:29 | prpplague | BZFlag: the bimbo on the phone seem to think it had embedix on it |
| 20:51:46 | prpplague | BZFlag: but she wasn't sure |
| 20:57:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: btw, how is biz? |
| 20:58:23 | sorphin | andersee: boo |
| 20:58:33 | prpplague | all hail the master codepoet! |
| 20:58:55 | prpplague | andersee: impart some code wisdom on us codepoet wannabies |
| 20:59:10 | sorphin | prpplague: speak for yourself POS boy ;) |
| 21:03:47 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh thats right worldcom ppl don't have to know anything, they just confuse the customer with techno-babel :) |
| 21:04:03 | sorphin | prpplague: shaddup bitch |
| 21:04:18 | prpplague | sorphin: jk |
| 21:06:40 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh - just because your company is in the crapper, doesn't mean you need to get all angry about it |
| 21:13:16 | Nermal | lol |
| 21:17:01 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 21:17:01 | andersee | :) |
| 21:17:33 | kergoth | damn meetings, cant even spell after them |
| 21:41:13 | Russ|werk | grabs an axe and looks for andersee |
| 21:41:26 | Russ|werk | andersee: what did you do to bb tar? |
| 21:42:07 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:42:26 | LIM | woo |
| 21:42:55 | LIM | hey Russ, did you do the touchscreen support in the linux kernel for the tuxscreen? |
| 21:43:32 | Russ|werk | LIM: yes, but it was essentially a one liner |
| 21:43:47 | Russ|werk | the touchscreen in the tuxscreen is a very standard one |
| 21:44:02 | LIM | yeah, I was playing with fbtuxcal |
| 21:44:06 | LIM | it has all these ioctls |
| 21:44:17 | LIM | but I don't see the kernel source handling them |
| 21:44:29 | Russ|werk | I didn't write the touchscreen ioctls |
| 21:44:39 | Russ|werk | you are probably looking for drivers/misc though |
| 21:45:21 | LIM | I have read that one |
| 21:45:27 | LIM | no ioctl handler in the fops |
| 21:46:20 | Russ|werk | I'm also not familiar with fbtuxcal |
| 21:46:23 | Russ|werk | where did you get it |
| 21:46:31 | LIM | I dunno who wrote it... |
| 21:46:31 | Russ|werk | are you sure its not the old touchscreen interface? |
| 21:46:37 | LIM | it must be |
| 21:47:05 | LIM | I got it to work, of course all the ioctls fail |
| 21:47:10 | Russ|werk | at least you know you aren't crazy |
| 21:47:12 | LIM | it's in the tuxscreen cvs |
| 21:49:17 | LIM | I have been working ucb1x00 touchscreen support into my mouse driver, and I wanted to do calibration... |
| 21:49:40 | LIM | looks like it has to be a software impl instead of a kernel ioctl tweak |
| 21:51:34 | andersee | Russ|werk: nothing, why? Is it broken? |
| 21:52:05 | prpplague | andersee: i think the mkdir -p is broken, IIRC |
| 21:52:05 | andersee | Russ|werk: I believe bug1 checked in some tar changes recently... |
| 21:52:51 | andersee | prpplague: in bb development (0.61)? |
| 21:53:29 | prpplague | andersee: not sure, i'm at work at the momment, its what ever is on the openzaurus build |
| 21:55:23 | andersee | prpplague: I think they use 0.61 |
| 21:55:39 | andersee | prpplague: When you get home, can you email me the details? |
| 21:55:42 | prpplague | kergoth: what was the story on mkdir -p ? |
| 21:56:04 | prpplague | andersee: yes i will, kergoth should have some more details |
| 21:56:43 | kergoth | prpplague: mkdir -p /blah/blah creates the dir, reports false failure, dumps an error message mkdir: cannot create ''. it *does* work. and it appears the exit code is still success, despite the error |
| 21:56:56 | kergoth | prpplague: so its not critical. do note that cd /; mkdir -p blah/blah; does not produce this behavior |
| 21:57:04 | kergoth | prpplague: so its only absolute paths |
| 21:59:25 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, service epca start ..... segfault |
| 21:59:51 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:59:52 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:59:54 | kergoth | mandrake box? |
| 22:00:02 | kergoth | we saw a box doing that yesterday |
| 22:00:11 | kergoth | turns out it was their libc, we had to staticly compile the utils for them |
| 22:02:58 | prpplague | kergoth: rhat 7.2 |
| 22:03:06 | kergoth | well thats just plain odd |
| 22:03:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03:20 | prpplague | kergoth: its a dual though |
| 22:04:24 | sorphin | prpplague: no fax yet? ;p |
| 22:04:44 | prpplague | sorphin: negative, i'm working on a down system |
| 22:05:05 | sorphin | ah, i'm building 10 systems :P |
| 22:06:21 | prpplague | kergoth: crap every service is segfaulting |
| 22:06:48 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/epca start |
| 22:06:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07:54 | prpplague | kergoth: segfault, everyone of them |
| 22:09:19 | kergoth | fucked up libs? |
| 22:11:26 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, it looks like someone tried to use binfmt_misc |
| 22:12:11 | sorphin | oops |
| 22:12:37 | Russ|werk | andersee: some tar changes? |
| 22:12:51 | Russ|werk | it looks like archival got completely overhauled |
| 22:13:02 | Russ|werk | now, any taring you do, contains the names of the parent directories |
| 22:13:25 | Russ|werk | and because of a change in make_directory.c, tar -x -C <dir> no longer works |
| 22:13:44 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: archiving did get a ful makeover somwhere between 60.2 and now |
| 22:19:06 | prpplague | is there any reason binfmt_misc should be running? |
| 22:20:10 | Russ|werk | prpplague: kernel thread? |
| 22:23:43 | CosmicPenguin | In rhat 7.2? |
| 22:25:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 22:27:35 | CosmicPenguin | No, I was saying.... a kernel thread in rh 7.2 that uses binfmt_misc? |
| 22:27:38 | CosmicPenguin | Doesn't compute |
| 22:30:12 | CosmicPenguin | Felix von Leitner sure doesn't think much of uclibc/busbox/tinylogin eh? |
| 22:33:47 | scanline | who? |
| 22:34:24 | Russ|werk | dietlibc author |
| 22:34:32 | scanline | o |
| 22:34:50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 22:35:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Some email somewhere? |
| 22:35:19 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: no, just this: http://freshmeat.net/releases/100561/ |
| 22:35:46 | CosmicPenguin | In the open source world, its unusual to find somebody reimplement something like that |
| 22:36:29 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, just spreading FUD... ignore the penguin |
| 22:38:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i've check 5 other boxes, none of them seems to have binfmt_misc running |
| 22:48:23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you get cracked? |
| 22:48:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: checking now |
| 22:48:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: running chkrootkit |
| 22:48:40 | Russ|werk | prpplague: chkrootkit? |
| 22:49:43 | sorphin | the only time i've ever gotten cracked |
| 22:49:46 | Russ|werk | I think his thing runs on BSD |
| 22:49:52 | sorphin | they did it thorugh an old BIND bug |
| 22:49:53 | Russ|werk | whereas busybox does not afaik |
| 22:50:05 | sorphin | i found it before he could do anything w/ it |
| 22:50:11 | Russ|werk | '# busybox looks great but still is a tad bloaty for my purposes.' |
| 22:50:23 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yeah, I saw that.... |
| 22:51:15 | CosmicPenguin | I had a todo with him awhile ago about Microwindows - back when neither uclibc or dietlibc could compile MW, I offered my help, but he told me he wasn't interested in using MW |
| 22:52:24 | sorphin | he sounds like he's more interested in shoving his head up his arse, to be honest |
| 22:52:41 | sorphin | i looked at dietlibc before |
| 22:52:44 | Russ|werk | I don't know, maybe he's working with 512K roms |
| 22:52:44 | sorphin | garbage in my book |
| 23:06:25 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ha, who said that about bb? |
| 23:09:06 | Russ|werk | the tad bloaty? |
| 23:09:14 | Russ|werk | Felix von Leitner |
| 23:10:26 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, i guess he probably thinks calista flocheart is fat |
| 23:12:11 | CosmicPenguin | flocheart? Sounds like a Tolkin charater |
| 23:13:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ally mcbeal chick |
| 23:13:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I know.... I'm just tossing one liners at the sever, maybe one will stick |
| 23:13:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh |
| 23:15:42 | prpplague | heads home, bbl |
| 23:18:14 | CosmicPenguin | mm.... home! |
| 23:18:46 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 23:24:16 | scanline | is away: fooooood |
| 23:31:12 | andersee | sorphin: I've looked at dietlibc also. Last I give it a try, there were about 300 ways to segfault it in just the stdio code. |
| 23:32:12 | andersee | sorphin: It is only sortof standards compliant. As Einstein said, make everything as simple as possible but no simpler. dietlibc often makes things simpler... |
| 23:36:48 | andersee | sorphin: On the other hand, they do some things quite well. |
| 23:37:06 | andersee | sorphin: Its too bad they are GPL, or I could use some of their code. |
| 23:37:24 | Russ|werk | they didn't bother using LGPL? |
| 23:38:00 | andersee | They went GPL, which sortof rules them out for use by a lot of places. |
| 23:38:55 | Russ|werk | kinda sucks to have a GPL libc |
| 23:39:00 | andersee | yup |
| 23:42:10 | scanline | is back (gone 00:17:54) |
