| 00:00:11 | jacques | wel they wanted to interview me seriously |
| 00:00:38 | mallum_tv | cool, I think they include matchbox now in there distro |
| 00:00:47 | mallum_tv | you still in palo alto ? |
| 00:01:43 | jacques | sunnyvale - about 3 miles from alo alto |
| 00:01:51 | jacques | palo alto |
| 00:02:07 | mallum_tv | yeah, but you work in palo alto ? |
| 00:02:09 | jacques | i think montavista is in sunnyvale too |
| 00:02:16 | jacques | nope I work in sunnyvale :-) |
| 00:02:18 | mallum_tv | dreams of frys ... ;) |
| 00:02:24 | jacques | yeh I love fry's |
| 00:02:35 | jacques | they have their down sides but I sitll love them |
| 00:02:35 | mallum_tv | there is nothing like frys in the UK |
| 00:14:17 | sorphin | mallum_tv: well, tottenham ct road isn't bad.. |
| 00:15:37 | mallum_tv | sorphin: hmm, nowhere nere as good as frys :( |
| 00:16:05 | mallum_tv | sorphin: frys has a museum in it |
| 00:17:00 | sorphin | fry's was ok (went there twice when i was out in SF month ago), the one in san jose and the one in sunnyvale.. lot to see, but prices vary whether they're good or not.. |
| 00:59:17 | jacques | yeah I spend lots of time in the sunnyvale fry's |
| 01:06:10 | sorphin | indeed |
| 01:11:20 | mastermnd | hmm.. |
| 01:12:25 | mastermnd | I put my nic in the tux. It's recognized ok. I bring it up with ifconfig I can send packets all I want but my other machine doesn't see them. |
| 01:12:29 | mastermnd | what gives? |
| 01:14:15 | file[droid] | mastermnd: mmm got the IPs setup right? right netmask? |
| 01:14:55 | mastermnd | yeah, I can't even see anything in promiscous mode. |
| 01:15:36 | mastermnd | same nic works in my laptop. |
| 01:15:58 | mastermnd | I'm pretty sure I had it working properly in the tux before too, dunno what happened.. |
| 01:16:15 | file[droid] | doublecheck settings... |
| 01:16:17 | mastermnd | the light on the nic even flickers when I send packets like it should.. |
| 01:16:21 | sorphin | does the other machine see your arps at all? |
| 01:16:58 | mastermnd | no |
| 01:19:36 | sorphin | hmm |
| 01:19:38 | sorphin | checked cable? |
| 01:20:06 | mastermnd | yeah, swapped cards/cables (2 similar cards). both cards/cables work in laptop.. |
| 01:21:37 | mastermnd | argh, now cardctl isn't recognizing it |
| 01:21:54 | mastermnd | ~ # cardctl status ; cardctl ident |
| 01:21:54 | mastermnd | Socket 0: |
| 01:21:54 | mastermnd | no card |
| 01:21:54 | mastermnd | Socket 1: |
| 01:21:54 | mastermnd | 3.3V 16-bit PC Card |
| 01:21:55 | mastermnd | function 0: [ready] |
| 01:21:57 | mastermnd | Socket 0: |
| 01:21:59 | mastermnd | no product info available |
| 01:22:01 | mastermnd | Socket 1: |
| 01:22:05 | mastermnd | no product info available |
| 01:30:32 | mastermnd | ahh.. that clears things up a bit.. these cards arn't as similar as I thought. |
| 01:31:02 | mastermnd | One's 5volt - that doesn't work, the other is 3.3v but any packets it sends from the tux dont get recieved.. |
| 01:33:28 | mastermnd | in ifconfig, what does "frame:" mean? |
| 01:47:18 | MonMotha | houstin we have two serial ports :) |
| 01:47:50 | MonMotha | now I need to do the shanip2 mod |
| 01:56:10 | sorphin | mastermnd: do the 5v mod.. |
| 01:56:45 | mastermnd | nah, I'll just keep the 3volt card in the tux, and use the 5volt card in my laptop. |
| 01:57:00 | mastermnd | don't want to take a soldering iron to this until I have to. |
| 01:57:06 | mastermnd | It works now! Yay! |
| 01:57:15 | MonMotha | just took a soldering iron to his |
| 01:57:27 | MonMotha | much easier than I expected really |
| 01:57:35 | MonMotha | just make sure you have a small tip |
| 01:57:36 | mastermnd | I don't know what I was doing wrong, but I think alot of my confusion was due to the 5v card |
| 01:57:38 | sorphin | my 5v mod setup works well |
| 01:58:08 | mastermnd | I'm trying to do a nfs pivot_root now.. |
| 01:58:16 | mastermnd | this is fun! :) |
| 01:59:05 | mastermnd | right now all my computer gear is in the basement, perhaps one my computer room is done upstairs I'll be more willing to crack it open, for now I just want to play on the software side |
| 01:59:33 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:59:48 | MonMotha | I like basement comp rooms |
| 02:00:02 | MonMotha | more constant temp, somewhat grounded floor (if you leave it concrete) |
| 02:00:07 | sorphin | that's where mine is/where i live |
| 02:01:34 | mastermnd | It's cold down here, and I've only got one outlet (over my head). And one very cramped table. |
| 02:02:00 | mastermnd | it's temporary, so it's not setup nice, just thrown together enough to work for now |
| 02:02:02 | MonMotha | mastermnd: so run a nice 20A 220V line or two |
| 02:02:27 | mastermnd | err, that'd fry my pc, I'm in USA. |
| 02:02:48 | mastermnd | It'd be easier just to finish the comp room.. but I'm taking a break. |
| 02:02:59 | mastermnd | livingroom's done, that ones next! |
| 02:03:30 | sorphin | well, this basement is 3/4 finished.. |
| 02:03:42 | MonMotha | mastermnd: um, all PC hardware I've seen can take 220 or 110 |
| 02:03:47 | MonMotha | they have little switches |
| 02:03:52 | MonMotha | keep some 110 around for your other hardware |
| 02:04:15 | MonMotha | like your tux |
| 02:04:55 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:05:23 | mastermnd | seems like too much work.. 220 is single phase (240 is 2 phase) right? So I'd have to get a transformer from 110 to 220.. not likely. |
| 02:05:26 | sorphin | i wouldn't put 220 into my stuff, cuz i don't trust those "switches"... i'd looked before, the switch did nothing |
| 02:05:58 | MonMotha | it's all two phase, just whatever your single phase is, 110 or 120 |
| 02:06:14 | MonMotha | the way you get 220-240 is the potential across both lines; they're 90 deg out of phase |
| 02:07:20 | MonMotha | correct me if I'm wrogn somebody...I'm by no means a power guru |
| 02:07:37 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:07:44 | sorphin | what comes to your house |
| 02:08:17 | sorphin | is split into 2 120 lines (approx), to the house, i think it's 220 |
| 02:08:22 | sorphin | never measured for sure |
| 02:08:53 | MonMotha | around here it's too high (averages almost 130 at times) |
| 02:08:58 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:09:03 | sorphin | never that high here |
| 02:09:12 | mastermnd | It's a solid 120 here.. |
| 02:09:12 | MonMotha | I could have sworn they ran 2 lines 90 deg out of phase, each 120V RMS |
| 02:09:22 | MonMotha | sorphin: as I said, it's too high |
| 02:09:33 | MonMotha | we burn out lots of light bulbs |
| 02:09:35 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, as i said, i've never measured at the box |
| 02:09:47 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. then you need to call them and tell them to fucking correct it |
| 02:10:55 | mastermnd | I've done electrical work in a office building before, and we had 220 circuits that were single phase, and then 240 circuits that're 2 phase, and then 110 for outlets (they were doing 220 for lights). There must be _some_ difference. |
| 02:11:02 | MonMotha | sorphin: it's been like that for 3 years...I bet they've had people complain to them before |
| 02:11:12 | mastermnd | Although it might've been 210 not 220 I can't remember exactly.. |
| 02:11:19 | MonMotha | mastermnd: you can do 220 on a single phase; they do that in europe as I recall |
| 02:11:33 | sorphin | house power is single phase |
| 02:11:35 | MonMotha | 220-240 |
| 02:11:37 | sorphin | industrial is 3 phase |
| 02:11:45 | mastermnd | sorphin: house is 2 phase |
| 02:11:57 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:12:01 | MonMotha | power in the US varies from 110-120 normally, depending on where you are |
| 02:12:02 | sorphin | not in my house it's not |
| 02:12:06 | mastermnd | sorphin: stoves, dryers, etc can use 240 |
| 02:12:24 | MonMotha | though as I said, around here it's too huigh |
| 02:12:50 | mastermnd | sorphin: it probably is if you look in the panel - 2 hots in the top, and a neutral connected to your ground bar. |
| 02:13:20 | mastermnd | This is fairly fresh in my mind, I just changed my panel on Sunday.. heh |
| 02:13:41 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:13:46 | MonMotha | actually it seems they fixed it |
| 02:13:53 | sorphin | yeah, 2 hots and a neutral tied to gnd |
| 02:14:04 | sorphin | but in the HOUSE it's single phase :P |
| 02:14:08 | MonMotha | 120.8V, and at that point my meter could be off |
| 02:14:17 | MonMotha | sorphin: oh yes, running to the outlets it's a single phase |
| 02:14:19 | sorphin | MonMotha: doubt it |
| 02:14:26 | sorphin | that it's off that is |
| 02:14:40 | MonMotha | I was sayign that it could very well be off by .8V |
| 02:14:43 | mastermnd | sorphin: right, and in offices outlets and stuff are single phase too, the only thing that's not is the panel and equiptment that needs more. |
| 02:14:46 | MonMotha | that's not much to be off by :) |
| 02:14:55 | mastermnd | I think the only thing that ever uses 3 phase is motors. |
| 02:16:13 | sorphin | any "industrial place" you're likely to see 3 phase coming in |
| 02:16:20 | sorphin | even if they break it down internally |
| 02:16:32 | mastermnd | sorphin: yup |
| 02:16:53 | mastermnd | sorphin: jsut like in any house you have 2 coming in.. :) |
| 02:22:48 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:22:57 | sorphin | well, regardless |
| 02:23:09 | sorphin | i wouldn't hook it to anything in my network that high :P |
| 02:24:44 | mastermnd | agreed. |
| 02:25:12 | sorphin | .tivo allergist for sinuses, CT scan tomorrow, and chiropractor to fix my back (mainly stretching stuff) |
| 02:27:17 | mastermnd | your allergic to your tivo? |
| 02:28:13 | sorphin | um.. no |
| 02:28:23 | sorphin | that was meant to be a /m to someone |
| 02:28:40 | mastermnd | ah, oops |
| 02:28:50 | sorphin | sore atm, so not really paying attention |
| 03:59:38 | scanline | is back (gone 10:17:40) |
| 04:24:21 | ade | is away: way past my bedtime, the sun is starting to rise :( |
| 12:01:47 | ade | is back (gone 07:37:27) |
| 12:58:39 | scanline | is away: food + homework |
| 12:59:38 | CaC_away | anyone abouts? |
| 13:21:35 | ade | is away: shopping for mountaineering equipment |
| 13:48:34 | Tangent | I'm about now |
| 13:56:01 | CaCtus491 | hmm, can you help me with: |
| 13:56:01 | CaCtus491 | make: *** No rule to make target `uclibc', needed by `busybox'. Stop. |
| 13:56:14 | CaCtus491 | when making buildroot? |
| 13:58:34 | CaCtus491 | actually, that seems to have come from the fact that I've commented out USE_UCLIBC_TOOLCHAIN |
| 13:58:48 | CaCtus491 | cause when making the toolchain make errors out with: |
| 13:59:24 | CaCtus491 | make: *** [/home/kent/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/.compiled] Error 2 |
| 13:59:50 | CaCtus491 | which then seems to be the result of: |
| 13:59:51 | CaCtus491 | libtool: link: `complex_io.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 14:00:01 | CaCtus491 | and help would be very much appriciated! |
| 14:22:29 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:56:10) |
| 14:22:32 | CosmicPenguin | morning, morning |
| 14:22:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:25:14 | CaCtus491 | don't supose either of you two could help me out? |
| 14:25:43 | prpplague | CaCtus491: what up? |
| 14:29:45 | CaCtus491 | any idea how to add the stuff in target_skeleton into the image without rebuilding everything else? |
| 14:31:55 | | rumour has it buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 14:31:55 | prpplague | ibot: buildroot |
| 14:32:10 | prpplague | CaCtus491: check there for more information on buildroot |
| 14:32:38 | CaCtus491 | man, what other helpful stuff can ibot give? |
| 14:32:42 | | Since Tue Oct 15 16:11:32 2002, there have been 24 modifications and 92 questions. I have been awake for 16 hours, 21 minutes, 10 seconds this session, and currently reference 84744 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 14:32:42 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: status |
| 14:33:14 | | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 14:33:14 | CosmicPenguin | ibot knows 84744 things, which beats me by 84700.... :( |
| 14:33:24 | | :) |
| 14:33:24 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: take this botsnack and shut up |
| 14:34:36 | CaCtus491 | heh |
| 14:37:49 | CaCtus491 | ...however, after looking at that url, I still have no idea how to add the target_skeleton stuff without rebuilding everything :) |
| 14:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - let me explain how this works |
| 14:40:17 | CosmicPenguin | The buildroot takes the entire bunch of code, combines it into an nice binary file suitable for flashing |
| 14:40:31 | CaCtus491 | yup, I get that much :) |
| 14:40:38 | CosmicPenguin | The entire process is automated, so its not really something that you can shortcut |
| 14:40:51 | CosmicPenguin | Which is to say, you can shortcut it - but it doesn't work as nicely as you would think |
| 14:41:17 | CosmicPenguin | But, if you already have a built tree, it should take a scant few minutes to add something to the target_skeleton and rebuild your file image |
| 14:41:32 | CosmicPenguin | If it *doesn't*, then you tree is already broken, and no amount of shortcutting will help you |
| 14:41:38 | CaCtus491 | thats what I thought but: |
| 14:42:15 | CaCtus491 | if I add something to target_skeleton and run 'make' again, it makes the image again (in a shortish time) |
| 14:42:34 | CaCtus491 | then I flash the tux again, and the files I added aren't there? |
| 14:42:55 | CosmicPenguin | if that happens, then you need to remove the target directory |
| 14:43:28 | CaCtus491 | hmm, as in delete target_skeleton? |
| 14:43:38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: we should change that - I use rsync in my buildroots to copy the skeleton directory - that way I can be sure that its all fresh |
| 14:44:06 | CosmicPenguin | no, delete the target directory that gets built for the image... I can't remember what its called right off the bat |
| 14:44:34 | CaCtus491 | hmm, ok |
| 14:45:22 | CaCtus491 | basically, what I'm doing atm, is writing a few progs, compiling them with arm-linux-gcc and trying to get them to run on the tux... |
| 14:45:47 | CaCtus491 | would love to get NFS happening but I don't have a 3v3 pcmcia ethernet card :( |
| 14:46:24 | CaCtus491 | hence why I'm adding the files to target_skeleton and rebuilding / flashing... |
| 14:46:58 | CaCtus491 | would nfs over a ppp link using the serial port work ok? |
| 14:50:13 | CaCtus491 | ....the other option would be to use the CF and pcmcia adaptor I have, but that doesn't seem to work either... it detects the card ok, but gives the error: hda: bad special flag: 0x03 |
| 14:50:18 | CaCtus491 | any ideas on that one? :) |
| 14:51:05 | CosmicPenguin | you can do zmodem over the serial link - thats the normal way to transfer files to these devices |
| 14:52:04 | CaCtus491 | that sounds good, what needs to be run on the tux to recieve the file? |
| 14:53:36 | CosmicPenguin | rz |
| 14:53:40 | CosmicPenguin | tiz already there |
| 14:54:18 | CaCtus491 | yeah, just found it :) thanks... |
| 14:54:40 | CaCtus491 | is this sort of information written down somewhere? I couldn't find it on the wiki |
| 14:56:24 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: new spamassasin is out - maybe it will help kill some of these Spanish spams I've been getting lately |
| 14:58:30 | signal11 | nice |
| 15:03:04 | CaCtus491 | CosmicPenguin: One last thing, I've made a simple 'hello world' program that compiles fine with gcc and runs under linux... |
| 15:03:38 | CaCtus491 | when I compile it with arm-linux-gcc is also seems to compile fine, then I zmodem it to the tux which works fine |
| 15:04:24 | CaCtus491 | after a chmod 755, I try to run it on the tux, but then it says './hello: No such file or directory' |
| 15:04:36 | CaCtus491 | when it is clearly there. |
| 15:05:21 | CaCtus491 | any ideas? |
| 15:07:39 | signal11 | try static linking maybe |
| 15:08:17 | signal11 | i think you just add -static to the arm-linux-gcc command line |
| 15:09:28 | CaCtus491 | heh, I think that worked :) |
| 15:09:39 | CaCtus491 | now my hello world prog is 1.47mb |
| 15:10:12 | CaCtus491 | eek, don't have room for it on the tux :) |
| 15:12:54 | CosmicPenguin | the ./hello program didn't work because you built it with the wrong compiler |
| 15:13:16 | CaCtus491 | hmm, what do I have to compile it with? |
| 15:15:36 | CosmicPenguin | the uclibc compiler |
| 15:18:44 | CaCtus491 | now I'm getting confused... I thought that the arm-linux-gcc would compile for the tux, but you need to use the uclibc compiler as those are the libraries that are on the tux? what would be the executable that I'd be looking for? |
| 15:19:31 | CaCtus491 | sorry for my ignorance, just i've never really played around with cross compiling before (and am relatively new to linux) |
| 15:59:17 | CaCtus491 | OMG, I finally got something to compile and run on the tux :) |
| 16:14:38 | CaCtus491 | has anyone here tried picogui? |
| 16:14:50 | scanline | CaCtus491: I have :) |
| 16:15:15 | scanline | I haven't used it recently on the tuxscreen, the buildroot stuff for it might be broke |
| 16:15:28 | CaCtus491 | yeah, it seems to be :( |
| 16:16:19 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I can't believe *you* tried Picogui... :-) |
| 16:16:50 | CaCtus491 | what window manager would you suggest then? |
| 16:20:24 | sjhill | lock up your cvs repository....i'm back |
| 16:22:28 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: did you scare away andersee? |
| 16:23:17 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i hope not |
| 16:23:30 | sjhill | i haven't screwed up anything.....lately |
| 16:29:02 | scanline | hmm.. I still have CVS access to the tuxscreen buildroot, I should fix up those picogui builds in time for the 0.42 release |
| 17:33:57 | collord | random question. does anyone know if the linksys BEFSX41 runs embedix? |
| 17:36:33 | prpplague | collord: not sure, i've looked at a couple of the linksys boxes running arm cores, but i don't recall that number |
| 17:37:30 | collord | just a lineo press release about supporting that conexant processor |
| 17:37:58 | collord | stringsing the firmware finds me a copyright notice from a gpl'd library |
| 17:38:10 | collord | nothing more definitive from me though |
| 17:44:51 | prpplague | collord: man, that would really bite if linksys is in breach of gpl |
| 17:45:53 | CosmicPenguin | while could a string of the firmware return a GPL copyright notice? Thats more of a source thing |
| 17:47:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: unless they didn't strip the code |
| 17:51:11 | collord | i'll provide URL for the firmware and line if you're interested |
| 17:51:25 | collord | iirc it's from an arb. prec. math library |
| 17:51:27 | collord | sec |
| 18:00:32 | collord | bnlib 1.1 Copyright (c) 1995 Colin Plumb |
| 18:01:34 | collord | ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/befsr41/befsx_1433.zip |
| 18:06:57 | CosmicPenguin | http://archive.midrange.com/mi400/200107/msg00020.html |
| 18:07:47 | CosmicPenguin | * I may grant permission to use this under other terms, if you ask |
| 18:07:47 | CosmicPenguin | * me. For licensing under alternate terms, contact Philip Zimmermann |
| 18:07:47 | CosmicPenguin | * <prz@acm.org>. |
| 18:08:21 | collord | ah. |
| 18:08:25 | collord | ah-ha. |
| 18:10:02 | CosmicPenguin | collord: do you have netscape on your box? |
| 18:10:13 | collord | CosmicPenguin: mozilla |
| 18:10:43 | CosmicPenguin | oh - well netscape uses it too |
| 18:14:44 | CosmicPenguin | Its dangerous to go off half cocked about GPL violations until you get the story from the owner of the copyright |
| 18:14:54 | collord | right |
| 18:15:57 | CosmicPenguin | Much of time, small developers will just use the BSD advertising license or the GPL to guage how many people are using their code |
| 18:23:17 | collord | CosmicPenguin: i hope you didn't think i was taking an accusatory tone |
| 18:23:28 | collord | i am just interested |
| 19:14:36 | scanline | is back (gone 06:15:57) |
| 19:14:52 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 19:31:50 | CosmicPenguin | Mr. poet sir... |
| 19:31:54 | CosmicPenguin | You going to SLLUG tonight? |
| 19:34:42 | andersee | Gonna try to. You? |
| 19:35:25 | sjhill | lo' andersee |
| 19:35:59 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: its complicated. Its my fiance's birthday, but she has class until 8, and she even said that I could go |
| 19:36:23 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so I might go, but I'll have to end up at home with flowers and champagne, just to make things good |
| 19:39:55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:40:01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: decisions, decisions.... |
| 19:40:21 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:41:40 | sjhill | hey sorphin |
| 19:42:41 | Russ|werk | 'However, this version does NOT yet achieve the full security or anonymity that we strive for. It does not protect you against an adversary who observes all communication links on the Internet.' |
| 19:42:43 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 19:42:52 | Russ|werk | can we say, "them"? |
| 19:43:56 | CosmicPenguin | whats that from? |
| 19:44:38 | Russ|werk | anon-proxy |
| 20:38:55 | prpplague | andersee: what would expect to pay for a sa-1110 core dev board with 16mb flash and 64mb ram? |
| 20:42:22 | CosmicPenguin | it looks like GiTWIT has changed their name.... too bad, I love that name... :) |
| 20:42:31 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2315766524.html |
| 20:42:57 | andersee | prpplague: don't answer, because for the next 30 minutes you will also get a free diamonoid-nugget ring! |
| 20:44:32 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... love those diamonoids.... |
| 20:46:15 | andersee | prpplague: seriously though. Maybe $100 depending on features. |
| 20:54:03 | prpplague | andersee: really? where can you find one that cheap? |
| 20:54:38 | prpplague | andersee: other than the tuxscreen? |
| 20:56:56 | andersee | prpplague: dunno. I've not been in the habit of buying such things... I was guessing on a price. I'd expect Russ to have a better handle on price, since he builds such devices. |
| 20:57:13 | prpplague | i wonder what they are going to sell the Balloon boards for..... |
| 20:57:41 | prpplague | andersee: cheapest board i've found was $365 for an arm with mmu |
| 20:59:02 | andersee | prpplague: ouch. |
| 20:59:31 | andersee | prpplague: You can tell I'm a software guy, since I don't even know how much this stuff costs... |
| 21:00:03 | prpplague | andersee: ya + your lineo buddies probably fix you up with boards :0 |
| 21:00:15 | prpplague | andersee: lol |
| 21:07:45 | prpplague | ha, how about this finish to a press release for altera - |
| 21:07:46 | prpplague | The Excalibur development kit, featuring EPXA10 ARM-based embedded processor solution is available now for $10,000. |
| 21:14:41 | andersee | prpplague: hehe. Don't I wish. |
| 21:15:06 | andersee | prpplague: But I do have a pile of systems, many of which were donated. |
| 21:16:03 | prpplague | andersee: lol, i get alot of vendors push freebies on me, just not the type of freebies i want, after all, do you really need 10 barcode scanner at home? |
| 21:17:44 | file | prpplague: well if you lose your job you can always open up a grocery store using 'em |
| 21:19:10 | prpplague | file: or an eye surgery clinic |
| 21:19:24 | file | prpplague: lots of money in that |
| 21:23:12 | sorphin | prpplague: only barcode scanner i have is a few cuecats |
| 21:23:54 | sorphin | prpplague: i wouldn't mind a real one (along w/ a decent magstripe reader/programmer).. the 2 readers i got, no way to interface, found a guy online that has the same ones, using his joystick port, but it don't work here |
| 21:25:48 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, ya those can be a pain, what do want a magstrip for? cc fraud? |
| 21:26:40 | sorphin | no |
| 21:26:57 | sorphin | i have a buncha magstripe stuff here, old hotel keys, old costco card, my work id, etc |
| 21:27:01 | sorphin | just wanna mess w/ the stuff |
| 21:27:09 | sorphin | could do simple access control w/ it |
| 21:27:22 | sorphin | my work id actually has magstripe and a wire thing in it for proximity |
| 21:34:21 | sorphin | prpplague: got anything you don't want? ;) |
| 21:35:38 | | a wife is the Wide Interface File Engine |
| 21:35:38 | prpplague | sorphin: a wife? |
| 21:35:52 | | Sorry, prpplague, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:35:52 | prpplague | ibot: shutup |
| 21:36:15 | sorphin | prpplague: i meant hardware :P |
| 21:36:22 | sorphin | i already have a woman :P |
| 21:36:42 | prpplague | sorphin: not at the momment |
| 21:37:07 | sorphin | what about all those barcode readers? *grin* or did you not actually take any of em |
| 21:37:43 | prpplague | sjhill: here is something you need to hack - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062408488 |
| 21:37:55 | prpplague | sorphin: i sold thin at a trades days last month |
| 21:38:15 | file | grrrrr |
| 21:39:02 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:39:07 | sorphin | prpplague: * 129MHz Toshiba MIPS Processor (may not sound fast but its not the |
| 21:39:08 | sorphin | same as the old processors, it is very fast.) |
| 21:39:40 | sorphin | heh, looks like a lil laptop.. |
| 21:45:09 | prpplague | sorphin: i can't believe ppl would sell x86 based boards as "embedded development kits" |
| 21:46:04 | prpplague | argh, even more bizarre - http://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/intermec/6110.htm |
| 21:46:39 | collord | prpplague: heh, any more on the ceiva? |
| 21:47:32 | sorphin | prpplague: ugly bast it is |
| 21:47:43 | prpplague | collord: a guy emailed me about 4 or 5 months ago and said he had hacked the 16k serial flash unit was able to store to flash, but i've not heard back |
| 21:47:53 | prpplague | collord: i kinda bailed on it |
| 21:48:20 | prpplague | collord: i'm really looking for something that is mass production and is a little more flexible |
| 21:48:21 | collord | yeah my concept for it was stupid |
| 21:49:09 | collord | it's pretty small and locked down to be useful |
| 21:49:22 | collord | i don't know what i was thinking |
| 21:49:24 | collord | but i have 5 |
| 21:50:02 | file | collord: ...o...k |
| 21:50:17 | file | collord: it's ok to have that many, when you hit 25 that's where I begin to question... |
| 21:51:17 | prpplague | collord: lol, the lcd's allone are worth the $79 |
| 21:51:37 | collord | yeah at $99 it wasn't a waste |
| 21:51:40 | collord | well it was |
| 21:51:43 | file | anybody know if Tim is selling anything more yet? |
| 21:51:44 | collord | but it doesn't hurt too much |
| 21:54:21 | file | http://www.twomobile.com/content/1051.php -> I might buy it |
| 21:55:09 | scanline | is back (gone 02:40:29) |
| 21:57:40 | Russ|werk | where does one find notebok batteries for cheap? |
| 21:58:54 | file | Russ|werk: dunno, but if you find a place give me a shout - my Thinkpad could use a new one |
| 22:09:46 | prpplague | is the ucb ts support on the tuxscreen pretty standard? |
| 22:09:58 | Russ|werk | yes, very |
| 22:10:46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: could a pic processor be used for a ts interface? |
| 22:11:40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: what am i think, no, i need an a2d |
| 22:12:20 | Russ|werk | yes (on the a2d), read the ucb1x00 docs |
| 22:12:34 | Russ|werk | unless it was an extremely fast pic and you did the old x86 joystick trick |
| 22:12:40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, can you get a ucb in dip package? |
| 22:13:04 | Russ|werk | doubtful, maybe similar components though |
| 22:22:01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya looks like everything is in a tssop package |
| 22:27:06 | prpplague | Russ|werk: any idea what the cost of a ucb1200 is? |
| 22:28:18 | Russ|werk | nope |
| 22:28:24 | Russ|werk | check digi-key |
| 22:32:37 | mastermnd | swap over 10baseT sucks.. heh.. |
| 22:42:30 | Russ|werk | mastermnd: can you do full duplex? |
| 22:43:28 | mastermnd | I doubt it, I'm using a cheap $10 hub. Both of the cards are 10/100 though, the hub is the weak link. |
| 22:43:35 | Russ|werk | ah |
| 22:44:42 | mastermnd | I'm definatly going to need to do the 32 meg upgrade, I ran out of mem, and not even running X yet. |
| 22:47:56 | mastermnd | Is there anything wrong with using flash as swap? |
| 22:49:05 | bmidgley | flash is slow and needs balanced writes |
| 22:50:35 | mastermnd | It's gotta be faster then using the network? Doesn't flash wear-out, or am I misinformed? |
| 22:50:44 | Russ|werk | flash as swap would be very very bad very very slow |
| 22:51:07 | Russ|werk | the only thing that would be worse, would be to swap to punchcards |
| 22:51:27 | mastermnd | bummer.. |
| 22:51:38 | Russ|werk | get a new hub |
| 22:51:45 | Russ|werk | or a microdrive |
| 22:52:12 | mastermnd | So, umm, where can I get a punchcard drive that works with the tux? :) |
| 22:52:28 | Russ|werk | hmm... |
| 22:52:39 | mastermnd | Yeah, I'll get a faster hub, I was just trying to improve things in the interim. |
| 22:52:40 | Russ|werk | I actually don't know |
| 22:52:53 | Russ|werk | swap to a remote ramdisk maybe? |
| 22:55:11 | kergoth | prpplague go home already? |
| 22:55:15 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 22:55:43 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 22:55:43 | kergoth | ibot: messages for prpplague: your epcx 3 card issue is fixed already in our local cvs. i'll cut you a epca build from cvs as a src.rpm and drop it via email. |
| 22:55:53 | kergoth | er |
| 22:55:54 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:55:58 | kergoth | message, not messages |
| 22:55:59 | kergoth | smacks self |
| 22:56:04 | kergoth | ibot: message for prpplague: your epcx 3 card issue is fixed already in our local cvs. i'll cut you a epca build from cvs as a src.rpm and drop it via email. |
| 23:10:11 | ade | is back (gone 00:00:15) |
| 23:12:05 | Russ|werk | ibot: message for ibot: message for russ|werk: hello |
| 23:12:38 | mastermnd | ibot: help |
| 23:13:14 | Russ|werk | ibot: message for ibot: mastermnd is lost |
| 23:13:21 | | russ|werk: wish i knew |
| 23:13:21 | Russ|werk | ibot: mastermnd? |
| 23:13:34 | Russ|werk | hmm...wonder if ibot will ever deliver those messages |
| 23:13:37 | mastermnd | :) |
| 23:17:55 | mastermnd | bah! |
| 23:19:06 | CaCtus491 | doh |
| 23:19:30 | CaCtus491 | checking whether the C compiler (/home/ke........) works... no |
| 23:19:56 | CaCtus491 | any ideas? (this is in buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final) |
| 23:25:48 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:33:05 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: see you at sllug then? |
| 23:46:28 | prpplague | jacques: howdy |
| 23:46:33 | prpplague | jacques: how goes it? |
| 23:46:47 | prpplague | jacques: hacking anything fun lately? |
| 23:59:54 | jacques | prpplague: not in the last couple of days - I am working on porting gentoo to ARM tho |