| 00:14:44 | sjhill | wb prpplague |
| 00:15:07 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 00:15:13 | prpplague | returns from first workout in 9 months |
| 00:15:26 | sjhill | yikes |
| 00:15:36 | sjhill | two days you'll be feeling it |
| 00:15:45 | prpplague | ya i bet |
| 00:15:49 | prpplague | asprin time |
| 00:16:39 | prpplague | sjhill: man, let me tell ya, when i was in airborne school i was running 10 miles a day, now 1 dam near kills me |
| 00:27:12 | sorphin | prpplague: wussy |
| 00:39:38 | sjhill | i could run 10 miles too...given the motivation...like being chased by something |
| 01:19:28 | prpplague | sjhill-afk: lol |
| 03:28:45 | CaC_away | hey, anyone abouts? |
| 05:33:34 | CaC_away | hmm, this channel never seems to have anyone talking in it ;) |
| 05:33:39 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:34:11 | CaC_away | Ketgroth: you here eh? |
| 05:34:24 | kergoth | yeh |
| 05:34:33 | kergoth | bored, drinking, yawning repeatedly, but here |
| 05:34:41 | CaC_away | got a tuxscreen? |
| 05:34:53 | kergoth | no, never got one before they ran out |
| 05:34:54 | kergoth | mutters |
| 05:35:01 | CaC_away | heh, ok.... |
| 05:35:27 | CaC_away | Being fairly new to this kinda thing, I have no idea where to get a cross compiler from... :( |
| 05:35:42 | | well, xcompile is just get ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 , un-tarbz2 in /usr/local/arm and set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin and you're set! much better than the zauruszone howto setup (faster, cleaner, newer, works with more source) or ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-3.2.tar.bz2 |
| 05:35:42 | kergoth | ibot: xcompile |
| 05:35:52 | kergoth | theres the url to the one erikm built on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk, tends to work for me |
| 05:36:37 | CaC_away | cool :) |
| 05:36:41 | CaC_away | how big is the dl? |
| 05:36:57 | kergoth | 36mb |
| 05:38:14 | CaC_away | cool, so after grabbing that, and the source via CVS, I could make an image for the tux w/o any problems? |
| 05:38:35 | kergoth | the tuxscreen buildroot can build its own toolchain. |
| 05:38:46 | kergoth | iirc of course. |
| 05:39:36 | CaC_away | heh, ok, that last one lost me :( (as i said, new to this)... whats a toolchain and tux buildroot? |
| 05:40:04 | kergoth | tuxscreen buildroot = what resides in tuxscreen cvs to build an image |
| 05:40:21 | CaC_away | ahh ok, thats easy :) |
| 05:41:22 | CaC_away | ..as far as I understand it, you basically get the source (via cvs), the use make to compile, but you need the cross compiler to compile for the arm rather than x86, etc? |
| 05:42:36 | CaC_away | ...how would I add files to be included in the image? (eg, say I made a simple hello world prog, compiled it with the cross compiler and want to run it from the tux) |
| 05:43:00 | CaC_away | ....and I don't have a pcmcia network card that would allow me to run it using nfs, etc |
| 05:43:27 | CaC_away | thanks for your help btw! :) |
| 05:44:12 | LIM | I throw stuff like that into the target_skeleton dirs |
| 05:45:12 | LIM | you can also alter the target_skeleton files to have the image preconfigured more easily |
| 05:45:20 | CaC_away | k, so after getting the source from cvs, somewhere there will be a target_skeleton dir where I can put files that will be included in the image? |
| 05:45:22 | LIM | like I altered the linuxrc |
| 05:45:28 | LIM | yes |
| 05:45:35 | LIM | tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/target_skeleton |
| 05:45:58 | CaC_away | thanks heaps |
| 05:46:08 | LIM | perhaps not the tuxscreen base dir ;) |
| 05:46:23 | LIM | but you can find it easily ;) |
| 05:46:29 | CaC_away | yeah, I get the idea :) |
| 05:46:32 | LIM | yep |
| 05:47:17 | CaC_away | then just upload the image over serial with flash ramdisk, etc? |
| 05:47:23 | LIM | the tuxscreen sources build their own gcc and stuff |
| 05:47:28 | LIM | yeah, xdownload |
| 05:48:31 | CaC_away | hmm, what was it I had to press at boot again? |
| 05:48:36 | LIM | any key |
| 05:48:41 | LIM | or spacebar |
| 05:48:49 | LIM | within a second of powerup |
| 05:48:49 | CaC_away | where is the 'any key' :) hehee |
| 05:49:04 | LIM | powerup or reset |
| 05:52:24 | CaC_away | hmm, seems to just boot like normal when I press reset the a key :( |
| 05:54:06 | LIM | you have the blob installed? |
| 05:54:35 | CaC_away | yeah |
| 05:54:41 | LIM | and do you have the serial cable hooked up? |
| 05:54:45 | CaC_away | um, its from the serial eh? |
| 05:54:46 | CaC_away | hehe |
| 05:54:50 | LIM | nooo |
| 05:54:50 | CaC_away | man I suck :( |
| 05:54:52 | LIM | yes |
| 05:54:57 | LIM | sorry :) |
| 05:55:07 | LIM | you have to have the serial stuff working first. |
| 05:55:19 | CaC_away | whats the setting for the serial again 115? |
| 05:55:25 | CaC_away | 155k even |
| 05:55:28 | CaC_away | ack |
| 05:55:31 | CaC_away | 115k :) |
| 05:55:40 | CaC_away | 8-n-1 |
| 05:57:17 | LIM | yeah, no flow control... |
| 05:58:57 | CaC_away | with the lastest buildroot, does x have to be run from the serial still? |
| 05:59:51 | CaC_away | hmm, is there anyway to calibrate the touch screen? |
| 06:02:56 | LIM | not that I know of |
| 06:03:03 | LIM | no easy way anyways... |
| 06:03:16 | LIM | the wiki talks of making a calibration program. |
| 06:03:23 | LIM | I am working on a mouse driver though |
| 06:03:34 | LIM | so I can sort of do software calibration at least. |
| 06:04:00 | LIM | it's not ready for use yet...so... |
| 06:04:07 | MonMotha | how abstracted is the touchscreen from the hardware? |
| 06:04:28 | LIM | MonMotha: you mean the /dev entry output? |
| 06:05:45 | LIM | MonMotha: there's the /dev/ucb1x00-ts (/dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 in devfs) |
| 06:05:45 | MonMotha | LIM: as in is it sufficiently abstracted to make any effort to port the calibration app from the ipaq feasable |
| 06:05:52 | MonMotha | or might as well we just write a new app |
| 06:05:54 | LIM | it outputs a simple to read stream. |
| 06:06:10 | LIM | I dunno how to calibrate really... |
| 06:06:22 | LIM | I just looked at the patch for tinyX... |
| 06:06:34 | LIM | that revealed the output of the device node... |
| 06:07:10 | LIM | or are you asking about my driver? |
| 06:08:15 | LIM | I dunno what all is involved in hardware calibration...I've never seen how it's done in code anywhere before. |
| 06:09:22 | bmidgley | LIM: are you talking about touchscreen calib? |
| 06:10:23 | LIM | yeah |
| 06:10:30 | LIM | how does it work? |
| 06:10:52 | LIM | I have a palm, so I only know the user end of it really... |
| 06:11:08 | LIM | tap her, and here, and center, wahlah... |
| 06:11:14 | bmidgley | there is a client program for it (or so i hear) but i only found source |
| 06:11:18 | LIM | I know how to calculate things from that... |
| 06:11:23 | bmidgley | yeah (i use a newton) |
| 06:11:43 | LIM | you found source for it on the tuxscreen though? |
| 06:11:53 | bmidgley | brb |
| 06:14:14 | bmidgley | derek mulcahy wrote a calib thing |
| 06:14:22 | LIM | hmm |
| 06:14:26 | bmidgley | i asked him about it and he said it was integrated with some other package |
| 06:14:32 | LIM | I only heard mentioning on wiki |
| 06:14:34 | bmidgley | can't find my email about it |
| 06:15:04 | LIM | :( |
| 06:15:16 | bmidgley | mine is off by a few pixels, not painfully bad |
| 06:15:33 | LIM | well, my driver allows me to tweak the software anyways... |
| 06:15:45 | bmidgley | TS driver? |
| 06:15:51 | LIM | but that doesn't help tinyX users |
| 06:15:53 | LIM | yep |
| 06:16:16 | LIM | jamd at sourceforge in the cvs |
| 06:16:38 | bmidgley | i'll look |
| 06:18:07 | LIM | jamd has a ucb1x00 mouse config... |
| 06:18:27 | LIM | it needs some work still, but works a bit in console mode :) |
| 06:18:48 | LIM | I need to add the calibration features I need for absolute coordinates to work nicer. |
| 06:19:56 | bmidgley | hmm some geometry and algebra involved, might be nice to see the code |
| 06:20:00 | LIM | yep |
| 06:20:06 | LIM | feel free to try :) |
| 06:20:25 | LIM | I can tar.gz a binary if you want |
| 06:21:18 | bmidgley | i'm going to check my email archive for that message. (gotta boot another machine) |
| 06:21:24 | bmidgley | br |
| 06:21:25 | bmidgley | b |
| 06:21:58 | LIM | ok |
| 06:30:25 | bmidgley | LIM you there |
| 06:33:23 | LIM | yep |
| 06:33:43 | LIM | find it? |
| 06:33:50 | bmidgley | found fbtuxcal source... |
| 06:35:07 | bmidgley | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/fbtuxcal/ i mean |
| 06:36:04 | LIM | ha |
| 06:36:16 | LIM | I have that checked out already and I didn't know it |
| 06:36:22 | LIM | smacks LIM |
| 06:37:37 | bmidgley | yeah everyone seems to have it but i never found a binary |
| 06:37:46 | LIM | I am making it now :) |
| 06:38:05 | bmidgley | are you cross compilling? |
| 06:38:50 | LIM | nope |
| 06:38:56 | LIM | I have gcc on my tuxscreen |
| 06:39:22 | | i guess glibc is a pia. |
| 06:39:22 | bmidgley | glibc? |
| 06:39:46 | | :) |
| 06:39:46 | kergoth | ibot botsnack |
| 06:39:46 | LIM | bmidgley: ah yes, |
| 06:39:48 | bmidgley | thanks ibot |
| 06:39:51 | LIM | I can cross compile |
| 06:42:40 | CaC_away | when running 'make' for buildroot-tux, how can I change it so the kernel source comes from ftp.au.kernel.org instead? |
| 06:42:46 | CaC_away | can't find it in the makefile... |
| 06:43:13 | LIM | hrm |
| 06:43:25 | LIM | look in the make rules... |
| 06:43:56 | LIM | buildroot-tux/make/linux.mk |
| 06:44:08 | LIM | LINUX_SITE:=ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 |
| 06:44:27 | LIM | bmidgley: I have the ulibc binary now |
| 06:44:32 | LIM | uclibc |
| 06:45:44 | LIM | ldd fbtuxcal |
| 06:45:44 | LIM | libc.so.0 => /lib/libc.so.0 (0x0x4000d000) |
| 06:45:44 | LIM | ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x0x40000000) |
| 06:46:25 | bmidgley | hmm can i have it |
| 06:46:35 | bmidgley | :) |
| 06:46:39 | LIM | of course |
| 06:47:38 | bmidgley | what's the best way to set up gcc with uclibc target? |
| 06:47:54 | LIM | I just used the one from the buildroot... |
| 06:48:28 | bmidgley | do you pivot_root into it |
| 06:48:45 | LIM | no, I meant on my x86 linux |
| 06:48:57 | bmidgley | k |
| 06:49:00 | LIM | on my tuxscreen, I haven't setup gcc to use uclibc yet |
| 06:49:11 | LIM | I just use the debian gcc 3.2 |
| 06:50:29 | LIM | unpack in the root of the target filesystem |
| 06:50:36 | LIM | root meaning / |
| 06:50:40 | LIM | not /root ;) |
| 06:52:00 | bmidgley | did you do a "proper" debian-arm install to get gcc->glibc? |
| 06:52:06 | LIM | yes |
| 06:52:16 | bmidgley | how do you bootstrap it? |
| 06:52:29 | bmidgley | i mean the installer |
| 06:52:32 | LIM | from what point do you mean? |
| 06:52:47 | LIM | I used the base_22.tgz thing |
| 06:53:02 | LIM | just unpack it, and you have enough to run...after tweaking it |
| 06:53:24 | bmidgley | what kind of tweaks? |
| 06:53:46 | LIM | the linuxrc, and something that debian looks at to see if it should read the floppy drive ;) |
| 06:53:53 | LIM | lemme find the wiki |
| 06:54:22 | LIM | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/pivot_root_to_debian-ARM |
| 06:54:40 | bmidgley | excellent |
| 06:54:41 | LIM | read that whole thing... |
| 06:54:55 | LIM | it's not laid out in a real step by step fashoin... |
| 06:55:44 | LIM | this is also be handy: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/DebianOverNFS |
| 06:56:08 | LIM | read them both, then assess for yourself what to do... |
| 06:56:22 | LIM | I just hacked according to the mixed advice in both ;) |
| 06:57:29 | LIM | I hope you have a HD or ethernet ;) |
| 06:57:42 | bmidgley | 100M lan :) |
| 06:57:45 | LIM | yeah |
| 06:57:48 | LIM | I had that first |
| 06:57:54 | LIM | then got a 2GB HD |
| 06:58:00 | bmidgley | type II? |
| 06:58:00 | LIM | I have both now :) |
| 06:58:02 | LIM | yep |
| 06:58:06 | LIM | toshiba |
| 06:58:11 | bmidgley | $$? |
| 06:58:17 | LIM | I added it to the wiki about pcmcia |
| 06:58:28 | LIM | I got it for like $86 or so on ebay |
| 06:58:35 | bmidgley | wow |
| 06:58:53 | LIM | which ether did you get? |
| 06:59:14 | LIM | TE-10/100-16 something? (that's what I have) |
| 06:59:18 | bmidgley | dlink 670 iirc |
| 06:59:24 | LIM | tekram I think it is |
| 06:59:26 | LIM | ah |
| 06:59:40 | LIM | this one is a bit flakey on powerups... |
| 06:59:49 | CaC_away | do those cards seem to work W/O the screen flickering under heavy load? |
| 06:59:57 | LIM | I have to reset and pull it out and in until it gets a link. |
| 07:00:10 | LIM | I've NEVER seen the screen flicker! |
| 07:00:26 | bmidgley | i haven't tried loaded net |
| 07:00:50 | LIM | I have missed some irqs though, under disk&cpu load sometimes. |
| 07:00:54 | bmidgley | anyone suggest a slideshow prog that doesn't puke with 8bpp depth? |
| 07:00:56 | LIM | it always recovers though. |
| 07:01:25 | LIM | heh, zgv was what I used for svgalib |
| 07:01:38 | LIM | but now, I could write one using SDL and SDL_image :) |
| 07:01:51 | LIM | that would work on fb console :) |
| 07:02:29 | CaC_away | anyways, I gtg, catch you later |
| 07:02:31 | bmidgley | i wanted to use a remote X app |
| 07:02:35 | CaC_away | and thanks heaps for all the help LIM |
| 07:03:07 | bmidgley | LIM, you're not in utah are you? |
| 07:03:56 | bmidgley | you've missed out if not |
| 07:04:11 | bmidgley | every second UG had tim talking about tux there for a while :) |
| 07:05:07 | LIM | heheh |
| 07:05:15 | LIM | I live in Fort Wayne Indiana |
| 07:08:21 | bmidgley | *$&# nfs |
| 07:09:24 | bmidgley | ~ # mount 10.0.0.9:/tftpboot/tux /mnt/ |
| 07:09:25 | bmidgley | mount: Mounting 10.0.0.9:/tftpboot/tux on /mnt failed: No such device |
| 07:12:55 | LIM | hmmm |
| 07:13:04 | LIM | nfs modules loaded? |
| 07:13:18 | LIM | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 07:14:21 | bmidgley | "modprobe nfs" segfaults i guess i have to insmod piecemeal |
| 07:16:59 | LIM | yes |
| 07:17:03 | LIM | modprobe is busted |
| 07:17:17 | LIM | modprobe works once you are running debian though. |
| 07:33:25 | bmidgley | fbtuxcal isn't playing nice |
| 07:33:56 | LIM | hmm, lemme run and try it |
| 07:33:58 | LIM | brb |
| 07:35:00 | LIM | I get a floating point exception |
| 07:35:06 | LIM | on the first screen |
| 07:35:37 | bmidgley | do you have to do anything special to get soft floating point on arm? |
| 07:35:52 | LIM | well |
| 07:36:01 | LIM | lemme try the glibc version |
| 07:36:16 | LIM | nah, soft float is in the kernel. |
| 07:39:13 | LIM | gah... |
| 07:39:25 | LIM | now I froze the thing I think. |
| 07:41:22 | LIM | weird. |
| 07:41:26 | LIM | brb |
| 07:51:46 | LIM | hrmm |
| 07:52:18 | LIM | it's definitly a div by 0 error |
| 08:02:59 | bmidgley | can you see in the source or did you debug the executable? |
| 08:03:04 | LIM | well |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | 0x0000a6b0 in __div0 () |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | (gdb) bt |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | #0 0x0000a6b0 in __div0 () |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | #1 0x0000a690 in Ldiv0 () |
| 08:03:14 | LIM | (gdb) quit |
| 08:03:26 | LIM | and that is with -g compilation |
| 08:03:55 | LIM | ahha |
| 08:03:56 | LIM | heh |
| 08:04:12 | bmidgley | ? |
| 08:05:01 | bmidgley | strange the backtrace is so shallow |
| 08:05:06 | LIM | yeah |
| 08:05:10 | LIM | working on it... |
| 08:18:12 | LIM | resorting to printf debugging :/ |
| 08:21:36 | LIM | wtf |
| 08:22:50 | LIM | the function call itself is bombing... |
| 08:26:13 | LIM | ahha |
| 08:26:15 | LIM | hmm |
| 08:26:18 | LIM | weird... |
| 08:27:39 | bmidgley | what line in what file is the prob |
| 08:27:47 | LIM | well |
| 08:27:50 | LIM | read failed |
| 08:28:20 | LIM | read(ts_fd,data,8): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:28:28 | LIM | around line 140 |
| 08:29:03 | LIM | I've seen this... |
| 08:30:51 | bmidgley | the open call is tested against 0 (shouldn't it be tested for -1?) |
| 08:31:06 | LIM | I fixed that :) |
| 08:31:09 | LIM | yes |
| 08:31:20 | LIM | also |
| 08:31:31 | LIM | open with mode of 0... |
| 08:31:47 | LIM | should be: ts_fd = open(DEVICE, O_RDWR); |
| 08:31:59 | bmidgley | yes |
| 08:32:29 | bmidgley | argh. not a good sign |
| 08:32:54 | bmidgley | are you a cvs committer? |
| 08:32:57 | LIM | no |
| 08:33:02 | LIM | I'm just hacking... |
| 08:33:21 | LIM | opened /dev/ucb1200-ts ts_fd=3 |
| 08:33:26 | LIM | read(3,0xbffff938,8) failed |
| 08:33:26 | LIM | read(ts_fd,data,8): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:33:31 | LIM | points=0 |
| 08:33:31 | LIM | Floating point exception |
| 08:33:40 | LIM | so the floating point thing is not the real problem |
| 08:37:12 | LIM | hmm, my mouse driver works to read... |
| 08:39:51 | LIM | I think you might have something there. |
| 08:40:33 | bmidgley | very bad style |
| 08:40:55 | bmidgley | no err checking, not using fns properly. did it ever work? :) |
| 08:41:19 | LIM | I dunno! |
| 08:41:20 | LIM | heh |
| 08:41:53 | LIM | ioctl(3,13,0)=-1 |
| 08:41:59 | LIM | uh... |
| 08:42:15 | LIM | isn't that failure? |
| 08:42:27 | LIM | around line 200 |
| 08:42:30 | LIM | Turn raw mode on |
| 08:43:01 | bmidgley | hmm |
| 08:43:20 | bmidgley | also, set_calibration and load_calibration should use a common fn |
| 08:43:24 | bmidgley | for the ioctls |
| 08:44:11 | LIM | fn? |
| 08:44:20 | LIM | opened /devfs/misc/touchscreen/ucb1x00 ts_fd=3 |
| 08:44:20 | LIM | raw mode... |
| 08:44:20 | LIM | ioctl(3,13,0)=-1 |
| 08:44:24 | LIM | /devfs/misc/touchscreen/ucb1x00: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:44:57 | bmidgley | fn function (lazy me) |
| 08:46:16 | LIM | yeah |
| 08:46:20 | LIM | this code sux. |
| 08:46:45 | LIM | the one thing it does well is show the image on the screen |
| 08:48:45 | LIM | it definitely that ioctl. |
| 08:48:57 | LIM | well, I'll look at the kernel source now. |
| 08:49:30 | bmidgley | yeah, the ioctl request value probably changed |
| 08:51:14 | LIM | now where is it ! |
| 08:51:49 | LIM | heh |
| 08:51:58 | LIM | linux/drivers/misc/ucb1x00-ts.c |
| 08:52:58 | bmidgley | it should be published in linux/include not buried in the driver |
| 08:53:26 | LIM | well, there is a header... |
| 08:53:43 | LIM | linux/drivers/misc/ucb1x00.h |
| 08:53:57 | LIM | #define UCB_MODE0x0d |
| 08:54:43 | bmidgley | hmm, 13. maybe "0" isn't valid |
| 08:54:57 | LIM | #define UCB_MODE_DYN_VFLAG_ENA(1 << 12) |
| 08:54:57 | LIM | #define UCB_MODE_AUD_OFF_CAN(1 << 13) |
| 08:55:09 | LIM | this is why I was going to look at the C code |
| 08:56:40 | bmidgley | libc-dev packages up linux/include/* so you don't need a kernel around to compile stuff |
| 08:57:00 | bmidgley | this driver should move those things over there somewhere |
| 08:57:01 | bmidgley | ... |
| 08:57:37 | LIM | yep |
| 08:57:47 | LIM | but hey, I'll work with what I've got for now. |
| 08:58:12 | bmidgley | yeah you weren't trying to do kernel hacking this morning eh |
| 08:58:54 | LIM | huh? |
| 09:00:22 | bmidgley | there are a tangents you could go off on in trying to get the calibrator working |
| 09:00:40 | bmidgley | do you have a corner on the wiki? |
| 09:00:47 | LIM | sort of |
| 09:00:53 | LIM | just a user page :) |
| 09:01:42 | LIM | I don't see any ioctl handler here... |
| 09:01:58 | bmidgley | what user name for wiki? |
| 09:02:29 | LIM | linux/include/config/mcp/ucb1200/ts.h |
| 09:02:31 | LIM | LIM |
| 09:03:19 | bmidgley | i was wrong then |
| 09:04:22 | LIM | no...that header sux |
| 09:04:26 | LIM | #define CONFIG_MCP_UCB1200 1 |
| 09:04:28 | LIM | that's it. |
| 09:05:02 | LIM | it's a config header |
| 09:05:05 | LIM | not installed |
| 09:05:08 | LIM | grr |
| 09:05:10 | LIM | anyways |
| 09:05:19 | LIM | where the heck is the ioctl handled |
| 09:05:59 | bmidgley | the driver should, but might do it indirectly |
| 09:06:37 | bmidgley | i better get to sleep. i'll set up debian and get a source tree tomorrow maybe |
| 09:06:43 | LIM | ok |
| 09:06:50 | LIM | someday we'll figure this out |
| 09:07:03 | bmidgley | k |
| 10:58:51 | CaC_away | anyone abouts? |
| 11:08:23 | CaC_away | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@busybox.net:/var/cvs co udhcp ) |
| 11:08:23 | CaC_away | cvs server: Updating udhcp |
| 11:08:23 | CaC_away | U udhcp/Makefile |
| 11:08:23 | CaC_away | cvs server: Updating udhcp/samples |
| 11:08:43 | CaC_away | ....it seems to hang there? |
| 11:23:04 | LIM|ZZZzzz | update your cvs perhaps. zzz |
| 11:23:34 | CaC_away | hmm, it seems to have been experienced by two other people on the mailing list too... |
| 11:25:21 | CaC_away | would downloading the latest source and extracting it to buildroot-tux/build/udhcp work? |
| 11:49:51 | CaC_away | don't suppose anyone could send me the udhcp dir? |
| 11:51:52 | CaC_away | heh, don't worry, udhcp.busybox.net seems to be much more helpful than busybox.net :) |
| 12:14:35 | ade | is back (gone 12:33:37) |
| 12:34:22 | CaC_away | what is the most functional browser to use atm? |
| 13:23:13 | scanline | w3m :) |
| 13:34:36 | CaC_away | hey, how can get stuff in the target_skeleton dir to be included in an image without have to rebuild from scratch (takes waaaayyy tooo long on my p166) |
| 14:11:29 | cosmicatwork | is back (gone 14:32:27) |
| 14:11:47 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 14:12:28 | sorphin | s/good// morning |
| 14:13:59 | CaC_away | hey there |
| 14:14:48 | CaC_away | you wouldn't be able to tell me how to get files in target_skeleton into an image without rebuilding the entire source by any chance? |
| 14:15:06 | sorphin | nope, sorry |
| 14:15:46 | sorphin | isn't even using his tux's, muchless buildroot atm.. |
| 14:17:39 | sorphin | prpplague: POS lover! |
| 14:17:49 | prpplague | sorphin: worldcom bitch |
| 14:17:53 | CosmicPenguin | CaC_away: whats wrong with rz/sz? |
| 14:18:13 | CaC_away | ok, kinda new :) rz/sz? |
| 14:18:18 | sorphin | prpplague: that's worldcom lackey, to you |
| 14:18:27 | sorphin | zmodem |
| 14:18:46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: everyone in Worldcom is a bitch - so are most of the stockholders, but thats not your fault...:) |
| 14:18:47 | sorphin | Cos's fav thing ;) |
| 14:19:16 | sorphin | sjhill: speaking of bitches, allo steve ;) |
| 14:19:21 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:19:27 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 14:19:31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: as long as you keep the bits flowing, I don't care... |
| 14:19:47 | sjhill | sorphin: you know, you're the only person who insults me first thing AND can bring a smile to my face :) |
| 14:19:48 | prpplague | sjhill: and now, i'm not sore this morning (yet) |
| 14:19:50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hey, i just collect a paycheck |
| 14:20:04 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:20:11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats pretty good for worldcom'ers these days, eh? |
| 14:20:17 | sorphin | indeed |
| 14:20:19 | prpplague | ROFL |
| 14:20:19 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm actually full awake today...amazing |
| 14:20:34 | CosmicPenguin | goes in search of caffine anyway |
| 14:20:40 | sorphin | cos :my group is one of the remaining (other than (D)uu(h)net that makes $ |
| 14:20:59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: they going to spin you off into a new company? |
| 14:20:59 | sjhill | i had to block 5 more domains yesterday for spam.... |
| 14:21:08 | sorphin | we should be so lucky |
| 14:21:11 | sjhill | wonders how much faster the internet would be without pr0n and spam |
| 14:21:32 | sorphin | sjhill: heh, spam isn't a prob for me atm, my main email account is unreachable, thanks to BT |
| 14:21:37 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: slower - its all the pr0n and spam that has spurred the development of the fast networking equipment |
| 14:21:40 | sjhill | lol |
| 14:21:59 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: that's really sad |
| 14:22:09 | sorphin | fscking BT sold the company where the box lives that my mail goes to, a shite line |
| 14:22:09 | sjhill | but, you're probably right |
| 14:22:11 | CosmicPenguin | believes that all the technological advances of the late 20th century are thanks to pornography |
| 14:22:30 | sorphin | hey, nothing wrong w/ a lil pr0n now and then ;p |
| 14:23:05 | sjhill | no way am i touching that comment |
| 14:23:22 | sorphin | um, keep your hands to yourself, broadcommer |
| 14:23:37 | sjhill | LOL |
| 14:23:38 | sorphin | we know where they've been, and i'm sure it's not pretty ;p |
| 14:24:20 | sjhill | *sigh* now to fix the 'dlopen' call for mips...bunch of whiners |
| 14:24:45 | sorphin | dlopen don't work on mips? that's new to me |
| 14:25:00 | sorphin | or are we talking uClibc? |
| 14:25:14 | sjhill | some guy says that it doesn't....i have to look at the archives...i guess one of the ldso tests in uclibc fails |
| 14:25:25 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:25:34 | prpplague | sjhill: its the spammers i hate |
| 14:25:47 | prpplague | sjhill: i think we need a federal law to regulate spam |
| 14:25:58 | sorphin | prpplague: won't help |
| 14:26:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: my state already has one, and it hasn't helped one bit |
| 14:26:07 | sorphin | i usually get 20-30 a day |
| 14:26:22 | sjhill | sorphin: then stop visiting so many pr0n sites |
| 14:26:35 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:26:42 | sorphin | it's not all pr0n spam :P |
| 14:26:45 | sorphin | ya reject |
| 14:27:04 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:27:22 | sorphin | i don't even HAVE an inkjet printer, nor do i own a house, etc, etc |
| 14:27:24 | sorphin | and yet i get |
| 14:27:31 | sorphin | Subject: *****SPAM***** Friend, |
| 14:27:31 | sorphin | Printer Cartridges - Save up to 80% - Free Shipping Offer |
| 14:27:46 | sorphin | Subject: *****SPAM***** Guaranteed Lowest Mortgage Rates! |
| 14:27:58 | sorphin | overpriced comain resellers |
| 14:28:11 | sorphin | Subject: *****SPAM***** Friend, Prescriptions with Privacy |
| 14:28:14 | sorphin | drug dealers |
| 14:28:20 | sorphin | yeah, right, i solicit all of this.. |
| 14:28:38 | sorphin | what's most amusing |
| 14:28:43 | sorphin | is how they try and hide it's spam |
| 14:28:44 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 14:28:53 | sorphin | Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:22:46 +0900 |
| 14:28:53 | sorphin | From: anthonyhyde@mail.com |
| 14:28:53 | sorphin | gatofisch: Domain Owner |
| 14:29:00 | sorphin | Subject: re: domain registration savings |
| 14:29:07 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:29:13 | sorphin | damn name matching BX crap |
| 14:29:33 | sorphin | anyways, you see my point :P |
| 14:30:24 | CosmicPenguin | yes, yes.... we've all seen spam before |
| 14:30:33 | sorphin | once i get spamassassin as refined as i can, all tagged mail will go ot /dev/null |
| 14:31:03 | CosmicPenguin | you've got to stay on top of spamassasin though - ours degraded slowly after time |
| 14:31:06 | sorphin | till then, i still have to browse the folder incase it missflags (and it still does unfortunately) |
| 14:31:14 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:31:20 | CosmicPenguin | It used to block all the spam, but now at least 20% gets through again |
| 14:31:32 | sorphin | my local one had to be redone cuz the razor crap broke |
| 14:31:38 | sorphin | so i ripped it out |
| 14:31:43 | CosmicPenguin | has his doubts about razor |
| 14:31:48 | sorphin | what's even more fun is my exim logs |
| 14:31:57 | sorphin | the amount of ppl that try to relay throuhg me |
| 14:32:24 | sorphin | one tweak i need to make |
| 14:32:44 | sorphin | periodically i'll get pr0n spam that is from me, TO me (nice header modification guys) |
| 14:33:04 | sorphin | and since i'll never be mailing myself, i can block that |
| 14:34:02 | sorphin | heh, anyone in here a redhead? :P |
| 14:34:14 | sorphin | "Redheads Need More Anesthesia than Others" |
| 14:34:27 | sorphin | the things that make it on to /., i swear.. |
| 14:36:00 | prpplague | i've tracked a few down, but what to do next? i mean i could DoS him, but then what? |
| 14:36:22 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:36:46 | sorphin | and i still get codered/nimda'd too.. fun fun.. |
| 14:39:44 | CosmicPenguin | the problem with nimda is that most of them are clueless lusers, not hackers |
| 14:39:53 | CosmicPenguin | s/hackers/crackers/ |
| 15:02:01 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:02:15 | sorphin | if i had more ip space, i'd use that tarpit.. |
| 15:07:33 | sorphin | /b *!*@*.digi.com ;) |
| 15:08:18 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:08:21 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:08:22 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:08:34 | sorphin | it'll be doing well at 1pm ;) |
| 15:19:12 | sjhill | hmmm, Sun Micro. to cut 8k jobs...bummer |
| 15:19:23 | sjhill | possibly |
| 15:19:45 | sorphin | well, as long as it's not in the UK, won't affect anyone i know.. |
| 15:28:51 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 15:37:02 | sjhill | crap...there IS a bug in the mips dynamic loader...*sigh* that means i actually have to do work today |
| 15:37:33 | sorphin | just in uclibc right? |
| 15:37:40 | sjhill | yes |
| 15:37:44 | sorphin | k |
| 15:49:57 | sjhill | how do you manually set the time zone in linux? |
| 15:50:32 | sorphin | either the TZ env var |
| 15:50:47 | sorphin | or the right link in etc / lib, something like that |
| 15:54:00 | sjhill | sorphin: TZ thingy worked...didn't find a link |
| 15:54:11 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:54:14 | sorphin | depends on the install |
| 15:55:59 | sorphin | allo jules |
| 15:56:07 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:16) |
| 16:17:40 | sjhill | finds where ld-uclibc is crashing |
| 16:17:47 | sjhill | gross |
| 16:17:53 | sorphin | sjhill: no shock there |
| 16:49:02 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 17:41:58 | scanline | is away: Sleep, that's where I'm a vi king! |
| 18:12:54 | prpplague | man there is some interesting stuff in this customs db |
| 18:19:36 | Russ|werk | prpplague: whats the customs tax on a stuffed antelope? |
| 18:23:03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, i can find that out |
| 18:23:33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i was more interested in the problems palm had getting their _newest_ stuff through customs |
| 18:23:47 | prpplague | Russ|werk: there is also info on apple products and cisco |
| 18:25:12 | Russ|werk | which direction? |
| 18:25:43 | prpplague | Russ|werk: into the US |
| 18:42:00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: cool, i found a ruling on embedded development boards, _duty-free_ |
| 18:49:16 | file[school] | bah |
| 18:49:20 | file[school] | mail hasn't been delivered yet |
| 18:54:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you think? think i'll be able to sell my arm board for $400? |
| 18:58:30 | prpplague | Russ|werk: what about you? you think this board will sell for $400? |
| 18:58:57 | Russ|werk | with the daughterboard, cd, and some cables? |
| 18:59:04 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:59:20 | Russ|werk | whats on the daughterboard again, I don't have schematics of that |
| 19:00:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: thats still up in the air, plan is cf slot, powersupply, db-9 header, large perf section |
| 19:00:41 | prpplague | Russ|werk: probably include a 4x4 keypad and sometype of small lcd |
| 19:00:58 | Russ|werk | prpplague: adding 10 baseT ethernet would only cost you $15 |
| 19:01:24 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya thats what i was thinkink too, maybe a cs chipset |
| 19:01:51 | sjhill | returns from lunch |
| 19:01:53 | Russ|werk | prpplague: also, you might integrate a CPLD into the perf section |
| 19:02:09 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I haven't found any better chip for embedded non-pci stuff than the cs8900a |
| 19:02:10 | prpplague | sjhill: re |
| 19:02:29 | sjhill | hey prpplague...what arm board? |
| 19:02:51 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm funding a arm dev board, sa-1110 |
| 19:03:23 | prpplague | sjhill: target sale price between $400 and $450 |
| 19:03:32 | Russ|werk | don't forget that a jtag cable will be much simplier to make if you put a buffer on the board |
| 19:03:33 | sjhill | ah |
| 19:03:56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: right i need to be sure and remind my partner |
| 19:04:20 | prpplague | sjhill: what do you think? that a reasonable price? |
| 19:04:33 | Russ|werk | with the daughter board, it sounds reasonable to me |
| 19:04:43 | Russ|werk | there's a good chance you might be able to do it for less |
| 19:05:28 | Russ|werk | its just too bad its so difficult to find component prices |
| 19:05:34 | file | prpplague: how goes it? |
| 19:05:37 | prpplague | Russ|werk: true |
| 19:05:55 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i just hate that it so difficult to do bga packages |
| 19:06:01 | sjhill | prpplague: what's the perf section? |
| 19:06:26 | Russ|werk | its really not that difficult to put together bga boards |
| 19:06:27 | prpplague | sjhill: experimentation, just a grid of through hole |
| 19:06:40 | sjhill | ah, perforated...got it |
| 19:06:47 | Russ|werk | I don't know how easy it is to route bga though |
| 19:07:19 | prpplague | sjhill: the core board has the same form-factor as a pc/104 with two pc/104 size buses |
| 19:07:20 | Russ|werk | I've seen an sa1110 board where the put a via next to every pad, thus making it very easy to test |
| 19:08:01 | sjhill | Russ|werk: via? |
| 19:08:02 | Russ|werk | prpplague: realize, that a pc104 connector has a lot of pins, and probably can't be soldered by hand |
| 19:08:05 | sjhill | is learning today |
| 19:08:13 | Russ|werk | sjhill: the little holes in the board |
| 19:08:17 | prpplague | sjhill: a little round dot in the circuit |
| 19:08:22 | sjhill | ah |
| 19:08:28 | Russ|werk | prpplague: which would mean that it would have to be wave soldered |
| 19:08:35 | sjhill | is it an abbrev. for something? |
| 19:08:40 | Russ|werk | prpplague: which would mean, no components on the bottom of the board |
| 19:08:59 | prpplague | sjhill: this circuit goes there via this hole? |
| 19:09:10 | sjhill | smacks head |
| 19:09:24 | Russ|werk | and you can't wave solder, then put components on the bottom, then reflow |
| 19:09:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya thats what you were telling me |
| 19:09:59 | Russ|werk | I don't know what pc104 surface mount connectors are available |
| 19:10:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: generall they are through hole |
| 19:10:56 | Russ|werk | I'm guessing daughter boards are meant to be stackable |
| 19:11:03 | prpplague | i;m just hoping this turns out well, i'm shelling out some big bucks for this |
| 19:11:28 | prpplague | Russ|werk: yep, and you can use standard pc/104 cases and bread boards |
| 19:11:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: $400? |
| 19:12:08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: http://www.diamondsystems.com/products/proto104 |
| 19:12:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya 400-450 depending on what we add to the package |
| 19:12:24 | Russ|werk | I'm thinking on the daughter board, it would be easy to put all the components on one side and then solderwave it, but I don't know if that would fill all the perf holes with solder |
| 19:12:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats your BOM? |
| 19:12:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the core board will be available by its self |
| 19:13:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sa-1110, 64m ram, 16m flash |
| 19:14:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pc/104 form-factor |
| 19:14:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought i sent you the schematics |
| 19:14:40 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i was planning to give your buddies in az a call about doing the daughter board |
| 19:14:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: better question - whats the bom price? |
| 19:15:29 | file | has no mail for himself today |
| 19:15:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just the core board will be $370 |
| 19:16:05 | CosmicPenguin | damn ... I was composing an important e-mail and Sylpheed just took a dump on me |
| 19:16:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 19:16:47 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: evolution is stable |
| 19:17:21 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: don't say that - you were the one that convinced me to switch... |
| 19:17:27 | prpplague | Russ|werk: basically if you got the core board and one of those pc/104 protoboards you could be up and designing pretty quick |
| 19:17:37 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: anyway, I am not happy with Evolution |
| 19:17:45 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I think you might have me confused with someone else |
| 19:17:55 | Russ|werk | prpplague: yup |
| 19:18:11 | Russ|werk | prpplague: just have to figure out what you can and can't do as far as placing components |
| 19:18:26 | prpplague | Russ|werk: well, i'm have 100 units made |
| 19:18:47 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I'm thinking they could put foil or something under the perf so that wave soldering won't cover the holes |
| 19:19:16 | prpplague | if anyone wants to pre order, see me, lol |
| 19:19:44 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sounds reasonable, i don't have too much first hand experience in that area |
| 19:19:58 | Russ|werk | prpplague: motherboards are wave soldered |
| 19:20:09 | Russ|werk | prpplague: take one out, and look at the unused holes |
| 19:20:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i mean on using the foil |
| 19:20:58 | Russ|werk | its really just a guess, I don't know how that would work (how would you keep the foil from coming off? |
| 19:21:36 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm sure your buddies at az could probably do the job |
| 19:22:04 | Russ|werk | there are limits to what you can put on a board |
| 19:22:21 | Russ|werk | once you start exceeding those limits, it starts costing more |
| 19:23:16 | Russ|werk | http://www.ept.de/englisch/produkte/pc104/pc104.htm <- solves a lot of problems |
| 19:23:38 | Russ|werk | probably more expensive though |
| 19:24:17 | sjhill | wow, markets are doing good today...looks like i did go buying AMD stock |
| 19:24:24 | sjhill | s/go/good/ |
| 19:24:42 | Russ|werk | sjhill: I'm really hoping amd really takes off with the opteron stuff |
| 19:24:54 | sjhill | Russ|werk: me too...i'm tired of intel |
| 19:25:27 | prpplague | Russ|werk: yep that exactly what we had in mind |
| 19:25:42 | Russ|werk | prpplague: the no solder connectors? |
| 19:25:53 | prpplague | Russ|werk: plus all of it is .1" so it can be hand soldeered |
| 19:26:29 | Russ|werk | prpplague: pc104 is difficult to hand solder, unless you seperate it into 4 1 pin wide connectors |
| 19:26:35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ohh, i didn't see about the no solder, i thought you ment stackable |
| 19:26:39 | Russ|werk | the pins are very long, and they are 4 across |
| 19:26:52 | Russ|werk | so you can't get a soldering iron in on the middle two rows |
| 19:27:33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya that can be a problem |
| 19:27:50 | Russ|werk | which is why there are press fit pc/104 connectors |
| 19:28:12 | Russ|werk | http://www.commcon.com/main/matchParts.html?page=41A-2 |
| 19:28:24 | Russ|werk | http://www.commcon.com/main/matchParts.html?page=41A-1 |
| 19:28:37 | Russ|werk | it would only be necessary to tack those down in the corners |
| 19:28:59 | Russ|werk | course, they are $7 connectors |
| 19:29:40 | prpplague | yep kinda pricey |
| 19:29:56 | Russ|werk | also consider, having someone hand solder 104 pins is around that price |
| 19:31:04 | Russ|werk | also, there are connectors with an "integral solder matrix" |
| 19:31:12 | Russ|werk | so they are through hole, but they can be reflowed |
| 19:31:28 | Russ|werk | http://www.commcon.com/main/pc104-commcon.html |
| 19:33:07 | Russ|werk | also, watch out, many pc104 connectors are keyed |
| 19:33:29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i mainly looking for an easy way for hobbyists to play with this with using special equipment |
| 19:34:10 | Russ|werk | right, but you are doing the assembly |
| 19:34:38 | Russ|werk | and right now, it looks like you are spending $12-$15 in connectors |
| 19:41:30 | Russ|werk | course, it looks like whichever connector you choose, 100 pin interconnect with .1" spacing won't be cheap |
| 20:32:13 | ade | anyone know who CliveN is ? |
| 20:33:50 | | prpplague: sorry... |
| 20:33:50 | prpplague | ibot: CliveN |
| 20:33:56 | | i heard sjhill was sjhill is mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com or some luser that works at broadcom on linux stuff. |
| 20:33:56 | sjhill | ibot: sjhill |
| 20:34:17 | sjhill | i see sorphin has been at is again |
| 20:34:25 | sjhill | heh |
| 20:34:30 | prpplague | guess i better check mine |
| 20:34:33 | | hmmm... prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 20:34:33 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 20:34:51 | sjhill | looks like you're safe :) |
| 20:35:19 | prpplague | man i'm ready to go home |
| 20:35:35 | sjhill | is working at home...so he's doubly screwed |
| 20:36:42 | sorphin | i am home ;) |
| 20:37:06 | sjhill | i knew he was lurking somewhere |
| 20:37:09 | sorphin | and not working, am eating chinese |
| 20:37:34 | sjhill | i'll have italian tonight -> pizza |
| 20:39:23 | sjhill | pats baseball bat in hand...where's andersee? |
| 20:39:59 | sorphin | haha |
| 20:40:37 | sorphin | safely hiding offline it looks like ;) |
| 20:40:45 | sjhill | ;) |
| 20:41:31 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: want me to drive over to his house for you? :) |
| 20:41:51 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: nah, that's okay :) it could be my problem for all i know |
| 20:41:54 | sorphin | you 2 live that close? |
| 20:42:06 | CosmicPenguin | bout 10 minutes with no traffic |
| 20:42:17 | CosmicPenguin | lives on 39th south and 7th east |
| 20:42:30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee lives on 48th south and 20th west |
| 20:43:10 | CosmicPenguin | prepares to fire up an heavily hacked Pixil window manager |
| 20:43:11 | CosmicPenguin | duck |
| 20:43:31 | sorphin | eats his hot braised chicken over there -------------------> |
| 21:19:31 | sjhill | whoo! yeah baby! yeah! |
| 21:19:44 | sjhill | crushes the mips linker/loader bug for uclibc |
| 21:19:54 | sjhill | into cvs you go |
| 21:23:44 | file | You've got mail! |
| 21:23:51 | file | You've got bugs! |
| 21:24:27 | prpplague | sjhill: congrads |
| 21:24:46 | prpplague | sjhill: nothing like killing a particularly interesting bug |
| 21:25:05 | sjhill | prpplague: well, time for some quake... |
| 21:27:11 | prpplague | sjhill: cool, i'll let my son take you on |
| 21:27:31 | prpplague | sjhill: he's only five and he frag's like a master gammer |
| 21:27:36 | sjhill | prpplague: sadly, i think he'd whoop all over me |
| 21:35:00 | MonMotha | hum, cutting the second serial port rxd to ground line shouldn't have any impact on functionality, even without the line receiver attached, correct? |
| 21:46:11 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: you tell us.. :) |
| 21:46:37 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: heh, I don't know enough about the arch :) |
| 21:48:25 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: then do it and see what happens... the worst you can do is let the blue smoke out |
| 21:48:54 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: heh...that would be bad :) |
| 21:49:25 | prpplague | MonMotha: just remember - when you let out the magic smoke, it will not work anymore |
| 21:49:39 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, that's the problem with magic smoke...it tends to float around |
| 21:49:52 | MonMotha | why couldn't they have used a solid or liquid? then you'd at least have to turn it upside down :) |
| 21:51:44 | CosmicPenguin | brb - have major colormap issues with Microwindows, I am inclined to blame my window manager |
| 21:53:17 | MonMotha | ok...that was hilarious |
| 21:53:34 | MonMotha | I had this guy going for like 5 minutes thinking he could get a free shell at http://www.vabeach.com/ : |
| 21:53:40 | MonMotha | he wanted a shell to IRC from |
| 21:53:49 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:54:49 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so its officially borked |
| 21:56:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: borked or porked? |
| 21:56:12 | kergoth | or both? |
| 21:56:32 | | tangent was last seen on #intimate 1 days, 6 hours, 27 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: Blimey.. sorting out my machine room is taking forever [Mon Oct 14 09:28:38 2002] |
| 21:56:32 | MonMotha | ibot seen tangent |
| 21:56:44 | prpplague | here piggy piggy piggy, come here micro |
| 21:56:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the Microwindows colormap is off - but it seems to be universally off only on my machine |
| 21:58:04 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: that means "operator error" |
| 21:59:06 | sjhill | i those fricking scrags...just wicked |
| 21:59:12 | sjhill | hate |
| 22:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | And oddly, running XNest doesn't help the situation |
| 22:29:29 | prpplague | andersee: morning |
| 22:35:48 | sorphin | andersee: run.. sjhill has a baseball bat w/ your name on it ;) |
| 22:37:20 | Russ|werk | I always keep my luser attitude adjustment bat handy |
| 22:39:36 | CosmicPenguin | whew... found it |
| 22:39:38 | CosmicPenguin | maybe |
| 22:39:48 | CosmicPenguin | says lots of bad things about the X11 API |
| 22:40:17 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:40:28 | sorphin | yes it sucks |
| 22:40:30 | sorphin | badly |
| 22:40:42 | file[laptop] | shake shake shake senora, shake it all the time! |
| 22:41:01 | sorphin | that'd be why exporting my sunpci shit to a linux X11 don't work... the colormap |
| 22:41:57 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so riddle me this - If my depth is 16 bits, why does my X visual report that my bits_per_rgb is 8? |
| 22:42:29 | sorphin | i dunno, i run at 24, yet something here says i'm at 32 on something |
| 22:42:38 | sorphin | and even 24 isn't enough for the sunpci crap |
| 22:42:43 | CosmicPenguin | the bits_per_rgb should be more like 6 though |
| 22:42:49 | CosmicPenguin | because 16bit is either 555 or 565 |
| 22:43:18 | sorphin | 555 if memory serves |
| 22:43:29 | CosmicPenguin | well, it can be both, actually |
| 22:43:34 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, thats not the point |
| 22:43:53 | sorphin | the point is, it's a piece of shit ;) |
| 23:05:14 | sorphin | dammit.. i hate it when some of GIMPs processes hang like this |
| 23:05:16 | sorphin | fscking annoying |
| 23:26:15 | CosmicPenguin | home |
| 23:26:17 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 23:31:47 | mallum_tv | arg X Visuals |
| 23:47:35 | mallum_tv | jacques: hey |
| 23:52:26 | jacques | hi mallum_tv :-) |
| 23:53:01 | mallum_tv | jacques: did you get anywhere with tinyx and tslib ? |
| 23:53:08 | mallum_tv | jacques: and that guy ? |
| 23:54:09 | jacques | mallum_tv: that guy's email address is not anywhere |
| 23:54:18 | jacques | it's ont on the xpert lits and it's not on his blog |
| 23:54:23 | jacques | i gave up |
| 23:54:47 | jacques | i even looked at the montavista site but of course theyt dont put their employee directory on line |
| 23:55:00 | jacques | i have no way to contact him |
| 23:55:08 | mallum_tv | jacques: hmmm, I exchanged some mails with him once .... |
| 23:55:17 | jacques | and I refuse to post on lists "this essage is for foo" |
| 23:55:41 | mallum_tv | jacques: mtaht@mvista.com |
| 23:58:12 | jacques | mallum_tv: thanks! I'll email him in a few minutes :-) |
| 23:59:01 | mallum_tv | mallum_tv: cool |
| 23:59:47 | jacques | heh montavista wanted to hire me |
| 23:59:55 | jacques | but they called after I had already taken this job |