| 01:07:13 | bhima | waves at file, even though he's probably asleep. |
| 01:07:27 | file | is awake |
| 01:07:30 | sorphin | doesn't comment :P |
| 01:07:57 | file | hello Sammy |
| 01:07:59 | file | bhima: how are you? |
| 01:08:37 | Sammy | hi file |
| 01:09:00 | bhima | is ok. |
| 01:09:01 | bhima | how're you? |
| 01:09:22 | bhima | I think I'm just about done with the PCB design for my snazzy new daughterboard. |
| 01:09:33 | file | neat |
| 01:09:36 | file | I'm quite fune |
| 01:09:40 | file | er fine |
| 01:11:14 | bhima | just need to figure out which J601 pins go to the second half of the LCD... |
| 01:11:26 | file | bhima: trial/error? |
| 01:12:26 | bhima | well, I think that tracing the wiring on the existing daughterboard would be better :) |
| 01:12:30 | bhima | I don't want to fry anything. |
| 01:12:50 | file | good plan |
| 01:13:03 | file | mmm |
| 01:13:07 | file | hit some wrong keys on mIRC |
| 01:14:54 | file | I'm glad to be home |
| 02:44:51 | bhima | grr. the tuxscreen wiki seems to be randomly broken. |
| 02:45:40 | file | that's Sourceforge |
| 02:46:06 | file | blank pages - not loading sometimes - only top is there |
| 02:46:10 | file | any of those your problem? |
| 02:46:21 | bhima | no content, just header. |
| 02:46:38 | file | yup - "only top is there" |
| 02:46:53 | bhima | what is sourceforge doing to fuck it up? |
| 02:46:58 | file | dunno |
| 02:47:09 | file | all I know it's b0rken |
| 03:02:24 | sorphin | the wiki's always randomly broken |
| 03:25:55 | sorphin | lo daemon |
| 03:31:48 | bhima | fsck. I think I reversed the upper/lower flat panel pins. |
| 03:31:51 | andersee | laughs ominously |
| 03:32:05 | bhima | luckily, of course, I haven't actually built the board yet. hmm. |
| 03:32:36 | sorphin | andersee: sup busybitch? |
| 03:33:16 | andersee | nada |
| 03:33:28 | sorphin | nods |
| 03:33:38 | sorphin | tries another phone, this time a Motorola T720 |
| 03:55:46 | Russ | andersee: you get those patches applied yet? |
| 04:03:03 | andersee | Russ: nope. |
| 04:03:20 | andersee | Russ: I've got most everything else in there now though. |
| 04:03:44 | andersee | Russ: BTW, you have my permission to commit the patch. You have access to busybox cvs you know. :) |
| 04:05:12 | bhima | hrm. does the main tux motherboard use 5v at all? looking at the J600/J601 layout, I don't see it doing that.. |
| 04:05:57 | Russ | didn't really think about that |
| 04:06:14 | Russ | pretty sure it uses 5V for some of the comm board stuff |
| 04:06:17 | sorphin | bhima: i think it does.., dunno where tho |
| 04:06:23 | Russ | doub't it would need it on the cpu board though |
| 04:07:33 | bhima | doing basic cross referencing between the two, it doesn't seem like it gets 5v. that could be oen of the reasons that they didn't give the PCMCIA slots 5v. maybe. no idea. |
| 04:08:19 | sorphin | are you looking at the drawing/schematic/whatever of the connectors? pretty sure 5v atleast goes down there |
| 04:08:43 | sorphin | my mod to my pcmcia taps right off the connector, just like eriks |
| 04:09:23 | bhima | mine goes right next to the connector. |
| 04:09:33 | bhima | I get the 5v froma wire just above the connector. |
| 04:10:25 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:11:20 | bhima | the power pins that I thought might've been 5v are wired straight into the 3.3v line that used to give the PCMCIA slots power. but I'll be doing some more serious comparing when I look at the netlist and compare it to the board. |
| 04:12:25 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:12:37 | sorphin | you want 5v? look at andersee's mod for pcmcia |
| 04:13:09 | bhima | I have 5v. I like 5v. |
| 04:13:52 | bhima | what I don't have is a commboard with stepper motor drivers, ervo drivers, or low current relays. |
| 04:15:19 | sorphin | umm.. |
| 04:15:29 | sorphin | not even asking |
| 04:15:42 | bhima | my car's AC controls are not voice operated. |
| 04:15:47 | bhima | and they take up space. |
| 04:17:12 | bhima | I can only fit in an empeg and a tuxscreen if I remove them. |
| 04:17:33 | sorphin | umm |
| 04:17:51 | sorphin | no comment. |
| 06:59:52 | psypete | Russ: hi. i've got a lil question |
| 07:05:02 | Russ | sure |
| 07:06:46 | psypete | Russ: i'd like to incorporate udhcpc and udhcpd into a router of mine, and i thought i might be able to save space by putting them into a C program i'm making to manage the router. do you think this would take a lot of work or is a good idea at all, or should i keep udhcpc and udhcpd as separate binaries? |
| 07:07:04 | Russ | do you use busybox? |
| 07:07:36 | psypete | Russ: actually yes, for a few functions, but when the router is complete i won't be using busybox |
| 07:08:07 | Russ | if you linked udhcp into your router software, you'd have to gpl it |
| 07:08:40 | psypete | Hmm |
| 07:09:10 | Russ | http://bugs.busybox.net/db/12/1271.html |
| 07:09:14 | psypete | would you happen to know much about the GPL liscence? i have a few questions as to distribution and use of software (proprietary and GPL'd/third party) |
| 07:09:55 | Russ | basically, if someone asks you for the source, you have to give it to them, if you've linked udhcp in with other code, it includes that code as well |
| 07:12:16 | psypete | Russ: though it pains me to ask this, and yes i am a horrible person :(, but could i charge for a project/software which includes GPL software like udhcp (including the source code) ? |
| 07:13:28 | Russ | of course |
| 07:14:05 | Russ | just read though the GPL |
| 07:15:08 | psypete | do you know of any liscences which wouldn't allow me to include them with a project and charge for it? |
| 07:15:30 | psypete | i'm afraid of making someone mad by misusing their program in my own project |
| 07:17:39 | psypete | reads the gpl closely |
| 07:20:01 | Russ | GPL is fine, its just if you modify the source, or link anything in with the source, and then distribute the new binary, you have to provide that source |
| 07:20:34 | Russ | just watch out for things like BSD w/advertising clause |
| 07:21:09 | psypete | advertising clause? |
| 07:21:53 | Russ | ie, openssl |
| 07:22:32 | Russ | also, most libraries are LGPL, so you can freely link proprietary code against them |
| 07:24:27 | Russ | http://www.sdisw.com/openssl.htm |
| 07:24:44 | Russ | '# All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgment: This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org)' |
| 07:27:21 | psypete | ohhhh |
| 07:27:30 | psypete | well i don't have a problem advertising them |
| 08:12:30 | CaC_away | hey all |
| 08:12:37 | CaC_away | anyone abouts? |
| 08:15:09 | psypete | is away: . |
| 14:11:03 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:11:12 | file | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 14:12:47 | file | hello prpplague |
| 14:20:24 | sorphin | kergoth: the digiwhore awaketh |
| 14:20:46 | kergoth | yeh |
| 14:20:54 | kergoth | grumbles about mondays and wanders off for caffeine |
| 14:25:51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how goes the war? |
| 14:26:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, fun fun fun |
| 14:27:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: made some great progress this weekend on the x for z |
| 14:30:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: kewl.... |
| 14:30:24 | | CosmicPenguin: i'm not following you... |
| 14:30:24 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: currency |
| 14:30:27 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: help |
| 14:30:47 | scanline | ibot: change 93659 .cz to .jp |
| 14:30:47 | sorphin | i think my phone can do that :P |
| 14:30:50 | | scanline: 93,659.00 (Koruna (CZK)) makes 373,455.45 (Yen (JPY)) |
| 14:31:03 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:31:12 | sorphin | ibot: change .us to .uk |
| 14:31:12 | | sorphin: that doesn't look right |
| 14:31:21 | sorphin | doh |
| 14:31:32 | sorphin | ibot: change 1 .us to .uk |
| 14:31:34 | | sorphin: Don't know about "UK" as a currency |
| 14:31:39 | | cosmicpenguin: wish i knew |
| 14:31:39 | CosmicPenguin | Ibot sez that 899 pounds is 1440 dollars... is that right? |
| 14:31:40 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:32:05 | sorphin | ibot: change 1 usd to ukp |
| 14:32:08 | | sorphin: 1.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 54.9500 (Dollar (ZWD)) |
| 14:32:21 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:32:27 | sorphin | that's ont what i asked |
| 14:32:40 | | thanks sorphin :) |
| 14:32:40 | sorphin | ibot: no botsnack for you |
| 14:32:52 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:33:04 | sorphin | sticks to online conversion |
| 14:33:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sound sclose |
| 14:33:16 | CosmicPenguin | yep... |
| 14:33:40 | CosmicPenguin | damn - I want one of these, but they are a bit too expensive: http://www.jadetec.co.uk/store/micropc4.html |
| 14:33:46 | CosmicPenguin | But I love the form factor |
| 14:34:38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ibot uses GBP for the pound |
| 14:46:06 | sorphin | k |
| 14:46:22 | sorphin | ibot: change 1 USD to GBP |
| 14:46:25 | | sorphin: 1.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 0.641845 (Pound (GBP)) |
| 14:46:29 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:46:35 | sorphin | close to what it as when i was over there |
| 16:48:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if I was the default debugger on SCO, what would my name be? |
| 17:00:56 | CosmicPenguin | nm... found one |
| 19:08:25 | prpplague | anyone seen these before - http://www.gamepark.co.kr/ |
| 19:09:34 | sorphin | heh, mallrats just started on USA |
| 19:10:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what the hell is going on with that page? |
| 19:12:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: problems? |
| 19:13:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: can't read anything |
| 19:13:11 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't have java installed though |
| 19:13:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya its all in korean |
| 19:24:57 | prpplague | is this insane or what - |
| 19:24:58 | prpplague | The ARM Development Kit v3.0 priced at $15,000.00 (ARM part number DEVPC-KT-0140A) offers a saving of $4,250.00 compared with buying the component parts separately. |
| 19:26:47 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:27:05 | file | notices Windows is downloading updates |
| 19:27:11 | file | I hope it doesn't break itself |
| 19:30:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it looks like people have finally figured out how to make money with ARM based devices.. :) |
| 19:30:43 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:31:12 | sorphin | yea, overprice them |
| 19:31:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't see why a arm7 based devices couldn't be mass produced for around $150 dollars |
| 19:34:51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't see lots of things, but they still happen |
| 19:35:16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats prolly why I'm an engineer and not a millionare.... I don't understand 80% of the crap that happens in business |
| 19:35:58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but my fiance is majoring in marketing, so I still have hope... :) |
| 19:39:13 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:40:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sounds like a sitcom, huh - a marketer and engineer living together.... |
| 20:07:06 | legodude | anyone here know openbsd netbooting? |
| 20:09:17 | prpplague | legodude: no, but you might try the #ltsp channel, jammcq knows a considerable amount about netbooting |
| 20:09:29 | legodude | thanks |
| 21:10:58 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 21:49:01 | ade | is away: phone |
| 21:53:14 | sjhill | well, looks like all the regular idiots are here |
| 21:53:41 | sjhill | that would be me of course |
| 21:53:46 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 21:53:49 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 21:53:52 | sjhill | howdy CosmicPenguin |
| 21:53:59 | sjhill | kicks file |
| 21:57:05 | LIM | is not included in the list and is relieved... |
| 21:58:00 | file[laptop] | feels kicked |
| 21:58:11 | kergoth | wonders if he qualifies as an idiot .. wait, he works at digi, he must be an idiot regardless |
| 21:58:17 | file[laptop] | yup - I'm a regular for sure |
| 22:00:02 | sorphin | kergoth: no, you're just a corporate whore |
| 22:00:15 | file[laptop] | minion? |
| 22:00:41 | kergoth | sorphin: oh yeah, that too |
| 22:00:53 | sorphin | ;) |
| 22:01:13 | sorphin | and sjhill is a bcmwhore |
| 22:01:20 | sorphin | and i'm a wcom lackey |
| 22:01:26 | sjhill | lol |
| 22:21:52 | CosmicPenguin | is happy to be a regular idiot |
| 22:22:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:23:00 | CosmicPenguin | Better than being a special idiot |
| 22:25:18 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 22:25:39 | prpplague | sjhill: hows life at broadcom, aka linksys perverters |
| 22:26:31 | sjhill | prpplague: heh, ok..working on uclibc crap today |
| 22:30:32 | sjhill | discovers the coolnes of proximity mines |
| 22:31:14 | LIM | we have proximity mines in uclibc...wow! |
| 22:31:22 | sjhill | lol |
| 22:39:08 | Russ|werk | cvs commit -m "add proximity mines" |
| 22:39:34 | LIM | heheh |
| 22:39:42 | LIM | or is it already one... |
| 22:40:01 | LIM | turns off his tuxscreen via ssh... |
| 22:52:08 | ade | is back (gone 01:03:07) |
| 23:38:59 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 23:40:57 | ade | is away: with the fairies |
| 23:41:41 | scanline | is back (gone 28:20:51) |