| 00:01:30 | prpplague | lol, thats always fun |
| 00:02:00 | prpplague | i actually used a wood engraving tool one time when i was in dominica to fix a busted power supply |
| 00:02:14 | as_ | prp, Lead fumes? How hot is your soldering iron! |
| 00:05:46 | Russ|werk | this was dram, I don't know if that would have worked |
| 00:06:09 | Russ|werk | there was a nice amout of solder bridging behind two of the leads |
| 00:06:25 | Russ|werk | I don't know why that pocket is even there |
| 00:07:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: fun |
| 00:07:36 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i ruined one of my zaurus cradles last weekend when i got a back solder bridge that couldn't clean up |
| 00:07:51 | Russ|werk | prpplague: its not too hard to fix |
| 00:08:00 | Russ|werk | water flux helps a lot if you have it |
| 00:08:09 | prpplague | Russ|werk: if you have the right tools |
| 00:08:13 | Russ|werk | clean your iron on a wet sponge |
| 00:08:18 | Sammy | morning guys :) |
| 00:08:28 | Russ|werk | place the iron on the offending pins so reflow starts to happen |
| 00:08:43 | Russ|werk | melt a little solder on the iron (if you don't have flux) |
| 00:08:56 | Russ|werk | and then use a braid to draw some away |
| 00:09:03 | Russ|werk | old solder likes to bridge |
| 00:09:06 | Russ|werk | new solder doesn't |
| 00:09:47 | Russ|werk | if you have water flux, you can rework a qfp by running the iron along the side (quickly) |
| 00:10:30 | Russ|werk | basically, the solder doesn't *want* to be back there like that, you just have to free it |
| 00:10:52 | Russ|werk | if you try to remove all the solder, it won't work, because you wont' get that little bead to reflow (bad heat transfer) |
| 00:10:54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i tried everything, i just couldn't get it out, sucker, braid, even a insulin syringe with fluz |
| 00:11:13 | Russ|werk | I know someone who might be able to remove it |
| 00:12:42 | prpplague | Russ|werk: lol, not a big deal, i have about 10 more |
| 00:13:35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i was gutting them to build my barcode scanner backpack |
| 00:13:59 | Russ|werk | (he's the guy who does the rework at my board house) |
| 00:14:30 | Russ|werk | btw, tip for board designers |
| 00:14:55 | Russ|werk | if you need debugging cicuitry (like jtag buffers, serial transeivers, etc), put it *all* on the board, footprints are free |
| 00:15:06 | Russ|werk | for you first few, you can have them on there |
| 00:15:23 | Russ|werk | when you do a run, you don't populate them, and order a couple extra bare pcb's |
| 00:15:35 | Russ|werk | put the stuff on the pcbs, move some zero ohms around |
| 00:15:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya we are adding testpoints and all of the debug devices on the main board |
| 00:16:00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll be give those guys you recomended to do the daughter board |
| 00:17:05 | Russ|werk | are you going to do reflow, or wave? |
| 00:17:49 | prpplague | Russ|werk: not sure, i've not gotten that point yet |
| 00:18:07 | prpplague | Russ|werk: we should have the board layout monday or tuesday next week |
| 00:18:30 | Russ|werk | basically, are you doing everything surface mount, both sides, or a mix of surface mount and through hole on one side |
| 00:19:29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: mix of surface and through hole |
| 00:19:44 | Russ|werk | which stuff is through hole? |
| 00:19:48 | prpplague | Russ|werk: the headers |
| 00:19:52 | Russ|werk | ah |
| 00:20:04 | Russ|werk | the pc104 thing |
| 00:20:08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya |
| 00:20:21 | prpplague | and a few other small headers |
| 00:20:38 | Russ|werk | I'm not sure excatly how wave soldering works, but I think that means you can only put components on the top of the board |
| 00:20:40 | prpplague | i just wish i could get the price down another $150 |
| 00:20:57 | Russ|werk | prpplague: send me the info and things, maybe I can find a few things to knock out |
| 00:21:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i thought i sent you the schematics? |
| 00:21:34 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 00:21:50 | prpplague | ahh, i'll the layout as soon as i get them |
| 00:21:59 | Russ|werk | not for the daughter board I don't think |
| 00:22:12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: what? |
| 00:22:23 | Russ|werk | see, I notice you don't have buffers for jtag on the board |
| 00:22:38 | Russ|werk | add a footprint for that, along with a few zero ohms to bypass it |
| 00:22:55 | Russ|werk | same with the serial transceivers |
| 00:23:12 | Russ|werk | I suppose you won't be doing much production though, so you'll probably want transceivers on every board |
| 00:23:36 | Russ|werk | can you give me a cost breakdown? |
| 00:23:39 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i hope to do some production |
| 00:24:01 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i can check with my partner and see what i can get |
| 00:24:02 | Russ|werk | also, I notice you are using two 8M flash memories |
| 00:24:20 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya, there was some discussion about using a single 16 |
| 00:24:32 | Russ|werk | one 16M might be cheaper, will have smaller erase sectors, and the will give you two times less failure rate on the flash |
| 00:24:59 | Russ|werk | which flash manufacturer are you going with now? |
| 00:25:06 | prpplague | Russ|werk: agreed |
| 00:25:33 | prpplague | Russ|werk: right now intel, but we are laying it out so we can use amd as well |
| 00:25:36 | Russ|werk | also, I might put two more SDRAM footprints down if you have room |
| 00:25:51 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I've found the amd flash much easier to get in small quantities |
| 00:26:05 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya , thats what we were expecting |
| 00:26:34 | Russ|werk | how much are you spending on the power supply portion? |
| 00:27:00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm not getting a break down on pricing, i'm contracting this out |
| 00:27:13 | Russ|werk | and do you have a reverse current protection diode? |
| 00:27:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i gave them a target range and thats what they gave me |
| 00:27:56 | Russ|werk | once you get a board house, try not to think of them as a blackbox |
| 00:27:57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: not sure, like i said, i'm new to this level of design |
| 00:28:06 | Russ|werk | find out who does what, so you know where to cc things |
| 00:28:31 | Russ|werk | prpplague: a reverse current protection diode sinks all the current if you plug the power supply in backwards |
| 00:28:34 | Russ|werk | the lart has one |
| 00:28:46 | Russ|werk | cheap, about $0.25 |
| 00:28:54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: right, i know what you mean, i just don't know if we added one to the schematic |
| 00:29:00 | prpplague | Russ|werk: seems like we did |
| 00:29:31 | prpplague | Russ|werk: lol, maybe i should have paid you to design this |
| 00:29:40 | Russ|werk | naw, I don't have time |
| 00:30:03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you still going to school? |
| 00:30:13 | Russ|werk | no, I finished |
| 00:30:21 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ahh |
| 00:30:46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: well i hope this turns out, i'm spending a shit load of money on it |
| 00:31:32 | Russ|werk | I would definately put some buffers for the jtag on there though |
| 00:31:55 | Russ|werk | it'll add pennies to the cost, and mean that someone won't need a special dongle to talk to it |
| 00:31:56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll check for these items on the next revision of the schematics and board layout |
| 00:33:33 | Russ|werk | btw, what does the max3229 have over the 3223? |
| 00:33:57 | Russ|werk | oh, it is for only one port |
| 00:34:15 | prpplague | Russ|werk: right |
| 00:34:26 | prpplague | the other uarts are ttl |
| 00:34:52 | Russ|werk | and again, for the diag led's that are hooked to gpio's |
| 00:35:04 | Russ|werk | you only need a resistor, and an LED |
| 00:35:41 | prpplague | Russ|werk: erikm seemed to think that was a better method of make use of the gpios |
| 00:35:56 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 00:36:15 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that way the gpios aren't tied up just for the leds |
| 00:36:16 | Russ|werk | also, sometimes tants are hard to find, especially in large sizes |
| 00:37:18 | Russ|werk | so if you need a 100uF, consider providing two footprints, so that two 47uF's could be used instead |
| 00:37:27 | prpplague | Russ|werk: noted |
| 00:37:39 | Russ|werk | especially if you have a single 47uF in your design |
| 00:37:56 | Russ|werk | same with 330->150 |
| 00:38:52 | Russ|werk | ah, your reverse polarity diode actually looks like it probaly works with both polarities |
| 00:38:57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm hoping that this board will be of interested to embedded hobbyists and education realm |
| 00:38:57 | Russ|werk | rather than just doing protection |
| 00:39:25 | Russ|werk | just a simple diode may be cheaper |
| 00:40:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hmm, your seeming to find alot of ways to cut costs, makes me wonder if these guys might be jacking the cost up |
| 00:41:02 | Russ|werk | btw, I wouldn't use 0402's for 0 ohm resistors |
| 00:41:11 | Russ|werk | as you may want to move those by hand from time to time |
| 00:41:31 | Russ|werk | 0805 is generally the best size to work with |
| 00:42:15 | Russ|werk | and the fewer the parts, the better you are |
| 00:42:24 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll save this log and discuss all these items with my contact |
| 00:42:30 | Russ|werk | so you have a 10uF/10V and a 10uF/16V, I would just say two 10uF/16V |
| 00:42:42 | Russ|werk | I really don't think you are going to save very much on the 10uF/10V |
| 00:43:11 | prpplague | every penny counts, and if you have to order 100 of one part and 100 of another, that might be a problem |
| 00:43:38 | prpplague | btw, thats what our first run with be, 100 |
| 00:43:39 | Russ|werk | you don't order 100 of something like that |
| 00:43:43 | Russ|werk | you order 4000 |
| 00:43:51 | prpplague | Russ|werk: just an example |
| 00:44:06 | Russ|werk | if you need 100, you might be charged for 4000 |
| 00:44:18 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i'm sure |
| 00:44:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i wish i could afford to make 4000 |
| 00:45:03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: but no need to buy 4000 of one and 4000 of another just buy 4000 and use 200 |
| 00:45:21 | Russ|werk | thats what I mean |
| 00:45:47 | Russ|werk | you have two different footprints for the two parts though |
| 00:46:22 | Russ|werk | if you want to save money on these 100 |
| 00:46:39 | Russ|werk | do things like, instead of R9 being a 20k, make it two 10k's |
| 00:47:16 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll have a heavy look at that this weekend |
| 00:47:39 | Russ|werk | also, if you want it done quicker, try putting the same components, on the same side of the board |
| 00:47:42 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sounds like you've got a lot of experience at this |
| 00:47:57 | Russ|werk | (ie, put all the decoupling capacitors on the bottom, all the 10k resistors on the top, etc) |
| 00:48:29 | Russ|werk | I've made 3 prototypes, a run of 25, and am now doing a run of 200, with a pretty complex board, so thats a lot of mistakes to learn from |
| 00:48:31 | prpplague | Russ|werk: well thats starting to get into the layout no experience in |
| 00:48:56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: for work? |
| 00:48:59 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 00:49:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: man, i wish i could have had that kinda exposure to this stuff |
| 00:49:51 | Russ|werk | I've also designed a couple small boards for this board house |
| 00:49:53 | prpplague | Russ|werk: of course, i don't have a ee degree |
| 00:50:03 | Russ|werk | neither do I, I have a cse degree |
| 00:50:11 | Russ|werk | so I don't know jack about analog |
| 00:50:50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: let restate, lol, i have no degree period, i have around 400 semesters, but no degree, lol |
| 00:50:54 | Russ|werk | so you haven't layed it out, but you've specified some components as o402, some as 0603, and some an 0805? |
| 00:52:53 | Russ|werk | anyway, its time for me to take off |
| 00:53:27 | prpplague | Russ|werk: yep |
| 00:53:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: later dude, thanks for the advice |
| 00:54:27 | Russ|werk | oh, one more quick note, since you are putting perf board in there (I think I remember one), put some blank, common, footprints on any spare space you have, and run the traces to the perf |
| 00:56:05 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: is outta here [Tue Oct 1 17:43:51 2002] |
| 00:56:05 | file | ibot: seen andersee? |
| 00:56:10 | file | 2 days? bah hum bug I say |
| 00:56:30 | prpplague | Russ|werk: the daughter board will have the perf |
| 01:28:27 | scanline | oh no, they misspelled Erik Andersen on uclinux.org |
| 01:29:15 | prpplague | oh no |
| 02:29:40 | BZFlag | scanline: email em and ask why they can't even remember a former co-worker. |
| 02:30:05 | scanline | does so |
| 02:30:19 | scanline | who runs uclinux.org nowadays? |
| 02:30:24 | scanline | IIRC it's changed hands a few times |
| 02:32:38 | scanline | hmm.. Arcturus networks.. haven't heard of them |
| 02:32:50 | scanline | wonder if Jeff Dionne is still running it, or if he's off doing other things |
| 02:57:14 | BZFlag | jeff is still there. we talked at OLS |
| 03:15:06 | scanline | should try to go to OLS next year |
| 03:15:25 | scanline | never been to a linux conference before, and OLS seems like it has a lot of embedded-related content |
| 03:54:01 | jacques | fing hell |
| 03:54:14 | jacques | armlinux.org has not a single working dns server |
| 03:55:52 | MonMotha | you sure it's not just the screwy UUNet routing? |
| 03:56:27 | jacques | no |
| 03:56:30 | jacques | im not sure |
| 03:56:47 | jacques | but the tracerouts arent looping that I can see |
| 03:57:36 | jacques | INKVINE.ARMLINUX.ORG 212.219.8.163 |
| 03:57:36 | jacques | EUROPA.ARMLINUX.ORG 134.117.76.82 |
| 03:57:37 | jacques | VA.DEBIAN.ORG 198.186.203.20 |
| 03:57:57 | jacques | they just all seem off-net |
| 03:59:27 | MonMotha | are you routing to them over UUNet? |
| 04:01:30 | jacques | the thing is the traces seem to go all the way till th last hop |
| 04:01:43 | jacques | it's not like they are disapearing in the uunet backbone |
| 04:01:45 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 04:01:57 | jacques | but I think I may have found the answer to my problem anyway :-D |
| 04:02:22 | jacques | seems like it's a known issue (known by a very few) that binutils 2.13 is broken for ARM |
| 04:10:57 | MonMotha | interesting... |
| 04:11:08 | MonMotha | how is it broken? |
| 04:12:19 | jacques | no specific info, just "linking problems" which I am also seeing |
| 04:12:36 | jacques | I;m trying to compile glibc 2.2.5 with gcc 3.2 and binutils 2.13 |
| 04:12:46 | jacques | and the linker is definitely broken |
| 04:13:12 | sorphin | so use an earlier :P |
| 04:13:48 | jacques | well... |
| 04:14:09 | jacques | look at this line from the binutils 2.13.90.0.4 announcement: This version of binutils may be required for gcc 3.2 on Linux. |
| 04:14:24 | jacques | I asume by "this version" he means 2.13 |
| 04:14:31 | sorphin | won't use 3.2 i don't like "bleeding edge" compilers :P |
| 04:16:48 | jacques | well since I'm trying to port gentoo... |
| 04:19:24 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:19:39 | jacques | heh, linux does not like it if you try to 'rm -rf /proc' |
| 04:19:42 | sorphin | i doubt it'd kill it if you used something like 3.0.x :P |
| 04:19:49 | sorphin | heh, ya think? |
| 04:20:02 | jacques | i forgot proc was mounted there |
| 04:20:30 | jacques | it just gives a bunch of permission denied errors |
| 04:20:39 | | france was last seen on #handhelds.org 8 hours, 12 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: sjohnson: hello and good night. [Thu Oct 3 21:08:25 2002] |
| 04:20:39 | jacques | ibot: seen france |
| 13:13:13 | | sjhill was last seen on #tuxscreen 16 hours, 14 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: later dudes [Thu Oct 3 21:58:39 2002] |
| 13:13:13 | prpplague | ibot: seen sjhill |
| 13:13:14 | | I haven't seen 'ibmpos', sorphin |
| 13:13:14 | sorphin | ibot: seen ibmpos |
| 13:13:14 | sorphin | grins |
| 13:13:14 | sorphin | prpplague: it said, see you ;) |
| 13:13:34 | kergoth | mornin |
| 13:13:44 | sorphin | man ibot sure was slow ;) |
| 13:15:04 | sorphin | lo mr digi |
| 13:15:29 | kergoth | bah, dont remind me |
| 13:15:31 | kergoth | mutters |
| 13:15:57 | sorphin | passes over what he just bought this morning w/ my normal pepsi blue |
| 13:16:03 | sorphin | Starbuck Double Shot |
| 13:16:06 | sorphin | +s |
| 13:17:24 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:17:43 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 13:18:01 | prpplague | kergoth: ready for another day of "fun" |
| 13:18:40 | kergoth | fuck no |
| 13:19:11 | prpplague | me either |
| 13:31:53 | sorphin | sends an army of POS's after prpplague |
| 14:30:40 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: you there? |
| 14:33:05 | sjhill | dudes |
| 14:33:41 | sorphin | sjhill: i do believe |
| 14:34:00 | sorphin | that joebob was lookin for you |
| 14:34:03 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:34:50 | sjhill | sorphin: yeah, i just msg'd him...must be chugging coffee or somethin' |
| 14:35:12 | sorphin | chugged a starbucks DoubleShot.. twas ok, dunno bout it being worth $2 tho |
| 14:37:50 | sorphin | ponders doing a 'make clean' in buildroot, seeing as it's eating 800M of space |
| 14:38:12 | Nermal_Work | sorphin: yah |
| 14:39:01 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: you used the sunpci devices before? (i forget).. and you're the 2nd person i know that works for sun, so that's why i'm buggin you about it ;) |
| 14:39:37 | Nermal_Work | I think so |
| 14:39:51 | sorphin | is tring to use his remotely |
| 14:40:27 | sorphin | neither X11 remote nor vnc will work (tho i'm about to try sun's hack of VNC that they give w/ the sunpci II drivers next).. |
| 14:40:43 | sorphin | remote X11 give X11 error 86 |
| 14:41:02 | sorphin | and vnc (w/ the non sun vnc server) whines about SMI mode |
| 14:42:14 | sorphin | either of those 2 sounds remotely familiar? |
| 15:50:51 | sorphin | ya know |
| 15:51:00 | sorphin | this has to be the 1st time i've ever seen |
| 15:51:09 | sorphin | [mirrors.kernel.org] |
| 15:51:10 | sorphin | Sorry, server full. No mirror access at the moment. |
| 16:08:42 | prpplague | wonders if he can get away with drinking lots of beer at lunch |
| 16:08:59 | sorphin | prolly |
| 16:09:02 | sorphin | don't you do that anyways? |
| 16:09:10 | prpplague | wahoo, its offical rhat8 sucks |
| 16:09:19 | kergoth | prpplague: you're surprised? |
| 16:09:28 | prpplague | sorphin: only when i'm in the caribean |
| 16:09:56 | prpplague | sorphin: the place i'm headed to in barbados at the end of this month is right next door to the mount gay distilliary |
| 16:10:23 | prpplague | kergoth: well i have noticed a trend of rhat jacking with shit, but this is patetic |
| 16:10:48 | sorphin | prpplague: um.. mount gay eh? |
| 16:11:23 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 16:11:32 | sorphin | i'm not even going there |
| 16:11:37 | prpplague | sorphin: THE first rum distilliary ever |
| 16:11:59 | prpplague | sorphin: you never heard of mount gay rum? |
| 16:12:04 | sorphin | nope |
| 16:14:00 | sorphin | now i remember why i should alawys check solaris8 stuff on sunfreeware, cuz they don't list everything in fscking 9, cuz 8 shit works on 9.. |
| 16:14:08 | sorphin | kinda a pain to dig tho |
| 16:37:26 | sorphin | Nermal: :P |
| 16:38:48 | Nermal | hmm ?> |
| 16:38:56 | Nermal | what did you need me for ? |
| 16:39:11 | sorphin | said, but you never replied :P |
| 16:39:29 | sorphin | re sunpci: |
| 16:39:31 | sorphin | * sorphin is tring to use his remotely |
| 16:39:31 | sorphin | <sorphin> neither X11 remote nor vnc will work (tho i'm about to try sun's |
| 16:39:31 | sorphin | hack of VNC that they give w/ the sunpci II drivers next).. |
| 16:39:31 | sorphin | <sorphin> remote X11 give X11 error 86 |
| 16:39:31 | sorphin | <sorphin> and vnc (w/ the non sun vnc server) whines about SMI mode |
| 16:39:32 | sorphin | <sorphin> either of those 2 sounds remotely familiar? |
| 16:42:48 | sorphin | Morn: re julie |
| 16:43:21 | Morn | hey |
| 16:43:27 | Morn | your not going to believe this |
| 16:43:31 | sorphin | i might |
| 16:43:56 | Morn | someone is scrapping a 8cpu Sun box (85Mhz each) |
| 16:44:02 | Morn | and they are going to just ship it to me |
| 16:44:08 | sorphin | cool :) |
| 16:44:25 | sorphin | tho @ 85mhz, you need about 8 to be worth anything ;) |
| 16:44:27 | sorphin | speed wise |
| 16:44:28 | sorphin | grins |
| 16:44:33 | sorphin | SM81s? |
| 16:44:55 | Morn | it's a 1000se box I think he said |
| 16:45:01 | Morn | I haven't had chance to look it up yet |
| 16:45:18 | sorphin | Morn: i've been arguing w/ my sunpci crap |
| 16:45:47 | sorphin | nope, not a 1000se, is no such thing |
| 17:40:41 | prpplague | BZFlag: tim! |
| 17:41:11 | prpplague | BZFlag: you need to throw some of your weight around and get leapfrog to let us port linux to the iquest |
| 17:44:50 | file | awakens |
| 17:49:23 | scanline | is away: Dave... my mind is going... |
| 18:24:36 | | rumour has it sjhill is sjhill is mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com or some luser that works at broadcom on linux stuff |
| 18:24:36 | prpplague | ibot: sjhill |
| 18:24:53 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:25:13 | prpplague | kergoth: get back to work digi zombie |
| 18:25:28 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:25:31 | kergoth | = slacker |
| 18:26:47 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 1 hours, 42 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: is outta here [Tue Oct 1 17:43:51 2002] |
| 18:26:47 | Russ|werk | ibot seen andersee |
| 18:31:52 | BZFlag | leapfrog? iquest? /me goes searching. |
| 18:34:59 | prpplague | www.leapfrog.com |
| 18:36:21 | BZFlag | no real info on the hardware anywhere that I can find. what's under the hood? |
| 18:36:30 | sorphin | bubblechip :P |
| 18:36:52 | sorphin | aka black mound of epoxy |
| 18:37:01 | prpplague | BZFlag: 2 meg flash chip and a 64k flash chip |
| 18:37:21 | prpplague | BZFlag: a bubble chip with an unknown amount of ram |
| 18:37:35 | prpplague | BZFlag: it has an i/o slot for flash |
| 18:37:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: comes with a 4meg flash module |
| 18:38:05 | prpplague | BZFlag: would be a nice hack, but i don't think it would happened with help |
| 18:38:14 | prpplague | s/with/without |
| 18:38:19 | sorphin | i was gonna say ;) |
| 18:38:31 | BZFlag | cpu? |
| 18:38:42 | sorphin | <sorphin> bubblechip :P |
| 18:38:46 | sorphin | <aka |
| 18:38:49 | prpplague | i suspect that it is an arm core, but i can't verify that |
| 18:38:54 | sorphin | unknown cpu under a black mass |
| 18:39:23 | prpplague | BZFlag: i checked the fcc id info and there was a reference to arm ltd. |
| 18:39:29 | prpplague | BZFlag: but no info |
| 18:39:45 | sorphin | prpplague: that's a possible good sign atleast |
| 18:39:56 | BZFlag | probably mmuless |
| 18:40:50 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya, thats what i suspect |
| 18:41:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: i've been searching the store selves for something would be a nice linux hack |
| 18:41:34 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm planning to visit wallymart, target and kmart tonight |
| 18:43:13 | BZFlag | xbox? ;-) |
| 18:43:16 | sorphin | s/kmart/martha's-mart/ |
| 18:43:19 | sorphin | BZFlag: i got one of those |
| 18:43:21 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:43:29 | sorphin | the new Xodus chip looks sweet |
| 18:43:38 | BZFlag | sorphin: got linux on it? |
| 18:43:40 | sorphin | and no soldering required |
| 18:43:46 | sorphin | heh, i will |
| 18:43:51 | sorphin | once i get the xodus |
| 18:44:22 | sorphin | kinda neat, it probes into contacts on the motherboard instead of having to solder or wire onto the MB |
| 18:53:33 | sorphin | BZFlag: i'll make sure to let you into it :P |
| 18:55:31 | prpplague | BZFlag: naw, i want something portable |
| 19:09:03 | prpplague | i'm still waiting for the martha stewart prision special |
| 19:09:22 | Nermal | lol |
| 19:12:17 | sorphin | grrrr |
| 19:12:24 | sorphin | Nermal: you gonna stay around now? :P |
| 19:22:41 | prpplague | doh, don't you hate it when your ssh'd into another box and you do a shutdown thinking your on your local box...... |
| 19:26:36 | Nermal | kinda |
| 19:26:53 | Nermal | never heard of your problem :| |
| 19:27:05 | kergoth | prpplague: haha, i hate that |
| 19:28:30 | sorphin | Nermal: heh |
| 19:28:52 | sorphin | Nermal: even sun's VNC server doesn't help |
| 19:29:24 | sorphin | still gives No visual for SMI code or somesuch |
| 19:29:32 | sorphin | and sunsolve lists nothing, nor does google |
| 19:31:14 | prpplague | ok, it must be friday, i'm going to see how many DOC's i can destroy before 6 |
| 19:32:01 | sorphin | Nermal: ironic |
| 19:32:11 | sorphin | it works if i'm exporting to a Solaris X display :P |
| 19:32:13 | sorphin | but not a linux |
| 19:33:50 | sorphin | typical sun tactic :P |
| 19:46:20 | sorphin | gatofisch: yo legodude |
| 19:51:26 | gatofisch | ya |
| 19:52:01 | sorphin | good news and bad news |
| 19:52:07 | legodude | ja |
| 19:52:10 | sorphin | good news, got sunpci working remotely |
| 19:52:13 | legodude | nice |
| 19:52:16 | sorphin | badnews, it's across the net |
| 19:52:21 | legodude | ? |
| 19:52:22 | sorphin | to a SOLARIS X server |
| 19:52:26 | legodude | oooh |
| 19:52:31 | legodude | only to a solaris X server? |
| 19:52:37 | sorphin | it refuses to display to a linux x server |
| 19:52:41 | sorphin | gives error 86 |
| 19:52:45 | legodude | that's why it worked for me then |
| 19:52:45 | sorphin | from X11 |
| 19:52:54 | sorphin | which i think is a colormap thing or something |
| 19:53:11 | sorphin | i've seen mention of being able to VNC it |
| 19:53:15 | sorphin | but i sure as fuck can't |
| 19:53:39 | sorphin | get an no suitable visual for SMI code error |
| 19:53:49 | sorphin | even w/ suns hack up of vnc |
| 19:53:50 | legodude | what OS? |
| 19:54:07 | sorphin | heh, for ? |
| 19:54:10 | legodude | sunpci |
| 19:54:19 | sorphin | just dos for now |
| 19:54:33 | legodude | wait |
| 19:54:34 | sorphin | been trying to get it so i can even SEE the damn sunpci |
| 19:54:39 | legodude | oooh |
| 19:54:40 | legodude | I get ya |
| 19:54:45 | sorphin | btw |
| 19:54:53 | legodude | external monitor? |
| 19:54:54 | sorphin | just to torture you |
| 19:55:02 | legodude | most people run vnc from inside windows methinks |
| 19:55:05 | legodude | not solaris vnc |
| 19:55:11 | legodude | wha? |
| 19:55:17 | sorphin | i'm running vncviewer on linux :P |
| 19:55:19 | legodude | bad thigns about my octane |
| 19:55:54 | sorphin | http://www.johnslist.com/product.html |
| 19:55:57 | sorphin | that's what |
| 19:55:58 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:56:29 | sorphin | anyone want 26 sunpci II cards? ;) |
| 20:25:35 | file | is cable internet or ADSL faster? |
| 20:26:05 | sorphin | cable can be faster, but dsl is more "Stable" |
| 20:26:13 | file | yeah - I thought so |
| 20:26:30 | file | plus cable is physically limited by the cable line running through the neighbourhood |
| 20:26:31 | sorphin | a friend in boston has cable for raw speed and dsl for stability |
| 20:28:31 | sorphin | sjhill: hey it's sjbroadcom :P |
| 20:29:37 | sjhill | hey sorphin |
| 20:29:39 | MonMotha | I've never gotten less than 2Mbit on demand on my cable modem |
| 20:29:45 | MonMotha | assuming the other end could keep up that is |
| 20:30:02 | MonMotha | admitidly there are like 4 people on my subnet and it's fiber at the street :) |
| 20:30:21 | MonMotha | (and 2Mbit is my cap btw) |
| 20:32:38 | file | MonMotha: we aren't that lucky here |
| 20:32:55 | file | MonMotha: there's many houses on a single cable line |
| 20:33:03 | file | is glad he got ADSL |
| 20:34:58 | MonMotha | the segment bandwidh is usually 52Mbit... |
| 20:35:19 | MonMotha | so unless you have like 100 people actually trying to use it at once, you should get acceptable speeds (512kbit or better) |
| 21:03:34 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:12:40 | prpplague | as_: |
| 21:12:45 | prpplague | as_: evening |
| 22:48:45 | scanline | is back (gone 04:59:21) |