| 00:00:51 | prpplague | evening all |
| 00:04:14 | prpplague | Sammy: knee how |
| 00:04:49 | LIM | ni hao |
| 00:10:48 | Sammy | hellp prpplague |
| 00:11:07 | Sammy | hello I mean :) |
| 00:15:41 | LIM | hey BZFlag |
| 00:16:05 | prpplague | hey BZFlag |
| 00:16:18 | file | prpplague: how goes the iQuest? |
| 00:16:24 | prpplague | BZFlag: any word on the next bargin device? |
| 00:16:51 | prpplague | file: not good, i've mapped some of the cpu paths out and there is alot of ?????? in there |
| 00:17:07 | file | prpplague: uh oh |
| 00:17:14 | LIM | I've got my mouse driver started on the tuxscreen, I can do console selection pointer movement...though it needs some calibration still |
| 00:17:31 | LIM | the little cursor pointer isn't always right under the pen... |
| 00:21:07 | LIM | anyways, it outputs ps2 mouse to fifo...meaning anything using ps2 mouse control can be used. |
| 00:23:24 | jacques | MonMotha: you about? |
| 00:36:02 | BZFlag | prpplague: nope. looks at netwinders, but they aren't ready to discount them enough. Same story on the SonicBlue pads. |
| 00:36:13 | cpenguin_home | Good evening |
| 00:36:31 | prpplague | BZFlag: the progear? |
| 00:36:50 | jacques | i need about 4 netwinders |
| 00:37:08 | BZFlag | prpplague: yeah. |
| 00:37:45 | jacques | BZFlag: you have a source for `winders? |
| 00:38:01 | prpplague | BZFlag: those really bite, we order 20, and we were screwed at the price we paid for them |
| 00:38:05 | jacques | are they still ARM based? |
| 00:38:11 | prpplague | cursoe |
| 00:38:26 | jacques | the ntewinders |
| 00:38:38 | jacques | i thought they were designing new ones x86 based |
| 00:38:44 | jacques | but I nede ARM ones |
| 00:41:44 | BZFlag | I talked to them about buying all the ARM versions. I think they have just over 150 units left. |
| 00:42:05 | prpplague | BZFlag: have they given any price on the progear? we told them we'd buy 1000 units if they'd sell it to us for $1k |
| 00:42:20 | BZFlag | prpplague: huh? you can get them for less... |
| 00:42:48 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya well we've couldn't get them less than $2200 at the time |
| 00:43:01 | BZFlag | http://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?1HV2 but not near that many left. |
| 00:43:37 | BZFlag | 78 left at the moment. |
| 00:44:07 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya well, we are buying the aquapad for around $480 |
| 00:44:39 | prpplague | BZFlag: man those ppl at sonicblue are stupid |
| 00:44:59 | BZFlag | source for the aquapad? |
| 00:45:01 | prpplague | BZFlag: we could have sold a ton of those, if they'd have come of the price a little |
| 00:45:14 | prpplague | http://www.aquapad.org |
| 00:45:36 | jacques | BZFlag: I am very interested in the ARM `winders, are you still talking to them? or is the deal dead? |
| 00:46:31 | BZFlag | prpplague: cool. perhaps I'll drop them a line too. |
| 00:46:44 | BZFlag | jacques: still talking. trying to get the price down. |
| 00:46:50 | cpenguin_home | Ugh - midori |
| 00:47:04 | jacques | BZFlag: well you have an interested customer here :-) |
| 00:47:20 | BZFlag | midori has some cool features, someone(tm) should save the good and kill the rest. |
| 00:47:36 | BZFlag | jacques: at what price would you be interested? |
| 00:48:12 | BZFlag | one sec I'll grab thier current pricing.. |
| 00:48:13 | jacques | BZFlag: depends on the specs - RAM , HD, other features |
| 00:48:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya there are pretty cool devices, i wish i had more time to play with them, i got a nice buildroot running on them with x and some fltk apps, but after we got everything running to sell it the boss moved me on to other projects |
| 00:49:41 | BZFlag | 549US for 64M, 599USD 128M |
| 00:50:01 | jacques | arg, I was hoping for $200-250 |
| 00:50:38 | jacques | they sure love their `winders |
| 00:51:22 | jacques | i could get a 64MB ipaq for $549 |
| 00:51:30 | cpenguin_home | everyone who has one loves them |
| 00:51:35 | cpenguin_home | very underrated |
| 00:52:04 | prpplague | jacques: ya i remeber the linux expo in raleigh back in 99, rebel.com wanted to sell me a dev unit for $3100 |
| 00:52:46 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: hey |
| 00:53:00 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: still can't make up my freakin mind about toolkits |
| 00:53:22 | jacques | I think rebel needs to realize their position |
| 00:53:39 | jacques | do they think they can sell the remaining units as replacements? |
| 00:53:49 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: wanna talk about it? |
| 00:53:54 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i've decided friday i'm going to the nudie bar, and if the first striper that comes up to me is blonde->gpe , red hed->fltk , brunet->qt |
| 00:55:15 | cpenguin_home | I dunno - that puts FLTK at a disadvantage |
| 00:55:47 | jacques | that's what I was going to say |
| 00:55:57 | jacques | if she has fake boobs->fltk |
| 00:56:09 | prpplague | DaveH: howdy, i don't suppose you the authore of the OPDS? |
| 00:56:25 | DaveH | Nods |
| 00:56:41 | BZFlag | I could get em down by 30%, but that's about it at the price they are offering. |
| 00:57:11 | DaveH | What there is of it so far ... been a little tied up with personel stuff of late will get back to it sopon though |
| 00:57:13 | cpenguin_home | Open Prison Distribution System? |
| 00:57:35 | prpplague | DaveH: funny as hell, i never heard of you before today, just started reading the doc, please to meet you dude! |
| 00:58:50 | DaveH | Cool you can reach me as dave@humanpenguin.org.. Ill answer any questions you have but am not here much atm as mentioned above |
| 00:58:53 | | hmmm... OPDS is the Open Personal Data Standard. A sql schema and API for storing PIM like data. Futher information can be found at http://www.AdelieSolutions.com/Projects/ |
| 00:58:53 | prpplague | ibot: OPDS |
| 00:59:14 | prpplague | DaveH: np, i know how it is |
| 00:59:34 | DaveH | Ill be back at it at some time in the near future .. |
| 01:00:05 | prpplague | DaveH: i'm looking to implement it with support for several medical applications i'm working on |
| 01:00:26 | cpenguin_home | SO much for the nudie bar then |
| 01:00:34 | DaveH | Thats interesting ... Ive just started a new job developing medical data software |
| 01:00:55 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: naw, how about if she has a nose or tongue piercing, lol |
| 01:01:16 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: in texas? |
| 01:01:22 | prpplague | DaveH: even more interesting, since my name is dave too, lol |
| 01:01:27 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: yea |
| 01:01:48 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: although belly button piercing is more popular around here |
| 01:02:20 | prpplague | DaveH: what gui platform are you going to use? |
| 01:02:48 | DaveH | Nods Email me with any questions or interesting idea .. I promis ill respond ... past my bed time |
| 01:03:05 | prpplague | DaveH: later, nice to meet you dude! |
| 01:03:14 | prpplague | DaveH: nice piece of work |
| 01:03:19 | scanline | hmm... we've been looking for a PIM database for picogui :) |
| 01:03:45 | DaveH | Im not its going under GPE witch uses GTK ... THe OPDS is designed to work on any platform it only handles the data side |
| 01:04:01 | scanline | =) |
| 01:04:41 | prpplague | scanline: ya packaged with sqlite the OPDS would work nicely |
| 01:04:46 | BZFlag | you think GPE can be a winner? |
| 01:04:49 | d_Eric | does anyone know of a source of tuxscreen-like devices? I finally got a job so I can buy all the toys I wanted, and now I find out that Tuxscreens are gone :( |
| 01:05:27 | prpplague | d_Eric: nothing immediate |
| 01:05:36 | BZFlag | http://www.aquapad.org/ http://www.mira2go.com/ |
| 01:05:46 | cpenguin_home | hehe... I was just going to say that |
| 01:05:53 | BZFlag | grins |
| 01:06:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: my concern with gpe is the size of the gtk libs |
| 01:06:55 | BZFlag | prpplague: and the size of qte/qpe libraries is better? |
| 01:07:07 | prpplague | BZFlag: granted they have a good developer base started but as i was telling cp , gtk just seems to be too much oriented towards desktop |
| 01:07:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: no, but fltk is much better |
| 01:07:49 | BZFlag | fltk is smaller, and perhaps enough, but fairly small user base too, no? |
| 01:08:56 | BZFlag | does fltk support antialiased fonts from X? |
| 01:09:09 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ? |
| 01:09:18 | LIM | prob not |
| 01:09:21 | prpplague | BZFlag: cpenguin_home is our local expert |
| 01:09:28 | BZFlag | imho, that's a requirement for a pda |
| 01:09:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: i've never used antialiased fonts, but i don't know the answer to that |
| 01:09:52 | cpenguin_home | Short answer no with a if, long answer yes with a but |
| 01:10:00 | LIM | heheh |
| 01:10:00 | BZFlag | though I'm not a fan of the bitmapped fonts in qt. I'd prefer a TrueType or similar engine. |
| 01:10:05 | prpplague | hmmm, butt.... |
| 01:10:41 | BZFlag | cpenguin_home: plans to do it universally? |
| 01:11:12 | BZFlag | so I'd build TinyX with AA support and then look for a library that supports that. |
| 01:11:14 | prpplague | the point is, fltk has proven to be a nice kit for pda's, after all the vr3 uses it |
| 01:11:23 | BZFlag | if the build has freetype, then tt will just work. |
| 01:11:39 | DaveH | I have GPE running on my ipaq the full system is about 10mb at the moment ... have to say I would not to run it on any smaller then my 32mb |
| 01:12:12 | BZFlag | prpplague: vr3 is not my idea of a good pda deployment. though that's not the library's fault. |
| 01:12:20 | d_Eric | if you can display multi-color bitmaps, you can do anti-aliased fonts, with or without library support. this will be _much_ less memory footprint than a TT rasterizer |
| 01:12:51 | BZFlag | DaveH: define "full system". jvm? browser with css, frames, javascript, etc? |
| 01:12:55 | cpenguin_home | The alpha blending would kill you on a 200 Mhz chip |
| 01:13:03 | prpplague | BZFlag: true, but if fltk can run well on a mips processor of such low capabilities, its should run well enough on something like the sa-11xx |
| 01:13:13 | prpplague | BZFlag: have you tried pixil? |
| 01:13:23 | BZFlag | cpenguin_home: not if done right. there are alpha blending qt demos that are very fast. |
| 01:13:30 | BZFlag | prpplague: nope. |
| 01:13:39 | cpenguin_home | BZFlag: there's some good magic going on there though |
| 01:13:47 | cpenguin_home | FLTK couldn't pull it off |
| 01:14:05 | BZFlag | d_Eric: agreed. but the point is to do it in all applications. |
| 01:14:08 | scanline | I haven't had any problems with alpha blending speed on the zaurus |
| 01:14:46 | DaveH | GPE dose not tend to use any java its built around C apps |
| 01:14:52 | BZFlag | time to get the kids to bed. back later. |
| 01:14:53 | cpenguin_home | I can't imagine scrolling alpha blended pixmaps |
| 01:15:22 | scanline | cpenguin_home: the Z has plenty of speed for that |
| 01:15:35 | cpenguin_home | same as the ipaq |
| 01:15:35 | scanline | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22825.png <-- fun effects you can do on the zaurus |
| 01:16:08 | DaveH | 10mb is basically the OS ckernel and basics the X windows system and GTK WigetGPE libs plus the basic GPE apps CAL TODO Contacts |
| 01:16:33 | cpenguin_home | scanline: whats your size? |
| 01:16:51 | scanline | cpenguin_home: under 1MB |
| 01:16:55 | cpenguin_home | with apps? |
| 01:17:00 | scanline | cpenguin_home: yes, with everything |
| 01:17:06 | scanline | though there aren't many useful apps yet |
| 01:17:19 | cpenguin_home | Oh, thats right - you're all single threaded, right? |
| 01:17:41 | scanline | cpenguin_home: yeah.. but what would that have to do with size? |
| 01:17:55 | cpenguin_home | Nothing... I just remember that.... |
| 01:17:58 | scanline | cpenguin_home: it's mostly the fact that the server is written in C and the clients library is simple |
| 01:18:10 | prpplague | each of these gui |
| 01:18:11 | scanline | cpenguin_home: the picogui server is single-threaded, clients should support multithreading but don't yet |
| 01:18:20 | prpplague | have their own rats |
| 01:18:42 | scanline | All software sucks, some just sucks less |
| 01:18:57 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: if I could just get Greg to open source Pixil.... :( |
| 01:19:03 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya i wish |
| 01:19:09 | DaveH | scanline: Quote of the day ;-> |
| 01:19:21 | cpenguin_home | is annoyed now |
| 01:19:28 | scanline | cpenguin_home: the main problem I have with fltk is that apps just specify the location of each widget, it's not scalable to different screen sizes |
| 01:19:47 | prpplague | scanline: ya well, as long as alot of the backend like OPDS is there, atleast some interoperability will make things better |
| 01:20:10 | scanline | hey, picogui's middle name is interoperability :) |
| 01:20:12 | cpenguin_home | scanline: there are ways around that.. :) |
| 01:20:23 | cpenguin_home | has twisted FLTK in every way possible |
| 01:20:28 | scanline | cpenguin_home: yeah.. but I get spoiled by picogui's layout engine and theme format |
| 01:20:29 | DaveH | Nods that was the idea of OPDS to be totally independent of enviroment .. |
| 01:21:10 | cpenguin_home | If I was to write a widget set for prpplague, the first thing I would do is add some sort of layout engine and themes |
| 01:21:25 | cpenguin_home | not as good as TK, but close enough |
| 01:21:48 | DaveH | If you guys look at the GPE Structure docs on the same site (I think it give an indication of where OPDS would fit in ) Might be a little out of date though will look at them tommorow |
| 01:22:00 | scanline | cpenguin_home: have you looked at picogui's theme engine? AFAIK it's a pretty unique design |
| 01:22:07 | prpplague | DaveH: ya i was reading them today |
| 01:22:15 | cpenguin_home | scanline: yeah, I like it. |
| 01:22:30 | DaveH | nods as I say dont hessitate to email ... wife wants me in bed ... night guys |
| 01:22:36 | cpenguin_home | our STB software was pretty intellegent in handling NTSC vs PAL and safe title |
| 01:22:37 | prpplague | DaveH: later |
| 01:22:39 | LIM | go get some... |
| 01:22:51 | prpplague | mount /dev/wife |
| 01:22:56 | LIM | heheh |
| 01:23:15 | scanline | prpplague: shouldn't that have a mount point too? |
| 01:23:27 | LIM | he's using his /etc/fstab |
| 01:23:29 | prpplague | scanline: that was implied in the fstab |
| 01:23:39 | scanline | but in that case you give just the mount point, not the device |
| 01:23:44 | cpenguin_home | If I ever make a block device, I'll call it Wide Interface File Engine just for shits and giggles... :) |
| 01:23:59 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:24:10 | prpplague | scanline: you can give the block device alone as well |
| 01:24:17 | | OK, scanline. |
| 01:24:17 | scanline | ibot: wife is the Wide Interface File Engine |
| 01:24:19 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: lol |
| 01:24:23 | scanline | prpplague: oh |
| 01:24:25 | cpenguin_home | Alright, its time for me to give up the computer to the fiance... |
| 01:24:43 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: you know how I feel about FLTK - I am willing to help as much as I can |
| 01:25:15 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: and I'll continue on the Pixil front - you never know, we might get lucky |
| 01:25:32 | cpenguin_home | Pixil + OPDS = Woohoo! |
| 01:25:41 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya i know, i'm a person that _way_ over thinks things, and there is some much to consider between picogui, gpe , ftlk, and *cough* the others |
| 01:25:55 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:26:31 | cpenguin_home | anyway, good night, I might be back later, but then again I might not |
| 01:26:36 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i still think i could send you boss to vegas and persuade him |
| 01:26:40 | scanline | g'night cpenguin_home |
| 01:26:40 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: later |
| 01:26:48 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: feel free to email him: greg@censoft.com |
| 01:26:50 | cpenguin_home | byer |
| 01:27:29 | prpplague | scanline: whew, i think i'm going to have to quit my job so i can get some real work done |
| 01:27:36 | scanline | :) |
| 01:27:59 | scanline | you could just go on one of those business trips to somewhere vacationistic and stick around |
| 01:28:23 | prpplague | scanline: ya well, i might be headed to barbados in the next few days |
| 01:29:26 | prpplague | scanline: i really love dealing with emergencies and making good money, but there are some days i wish i was just a teach and had time to do nothing but research |
| 01:29:37 | prpplague | s/teach/teacher |
| 01:29:41 | scanline | that'd be cool |
| 01:30:41 | prpplague | scanline: i've always wanted to write a book on high-pressure problem solving, but....i'm afraid ppl would say "why should i read something from a nobody? |
| 01:30:43 | prpplague | " |
| 01:31:02 | scanline | you have to start somewhere |
| 01:31:21 | prpplague | scanline: btw, hows those terminal escape sequences going? |
| 01:32:07 | scanline | prpplague: ah.. I still haven't implemented scrolling or character set switching, lots else to do |
| 01:32:08 | scanline | so ncurses apps still break |
| 01:32:22 | scanline | works a lot better than pixil's terminal though ;) |
| 01:32:38 | prpplague | scanline: ya well, i'm more concerned with such items as ansi color support and line drawing mode |
| 01:32:53 | scanline | ansi color works fine, line drawing mode is part of the character set support, so not yet |
| 01:33:09 | scanline | I've been more busy working on debugging than adding new features recently |
| 01:33:43 | prpplague | scanline: good choice |
| 01:33:49 | scanline | The terminal code is pretty easy to hack on though, so if you know anyone who'd like to contribute that would be good :) |
| 01:34:46 | scanline | hehe.. maybe you could get gonkulator to do it :) |
| 01:35:50 | prpplague | scanline: lol |
| 01:36:10 | scanline | then he could come to me for help.. |
| 01:36:11 | prpplague | scanline: i offered him two z's to do some fltk code and he turned me down |
| 01:36:16 | scanline | "Micah, what the hell is a pgstring?" |
| 01:36:50 | scanline | prpplague: yeah, he told me about that |
| 01:38:13 | prpplague | scanline: btw, i still haven't got that darn makefile.am to do anything |
| 01:39:10 | scanline | is build system impaired, so probably couldn't help |
| 01:39:50 | prpplague | is "impaired" period |
| 01:40:03 | prpplague | scanline: argh dr.seus time |
| 01:40:10 | prpplague | later guys |
| 01:40:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:17:31 | bzik | are there any mobile phones engineers here? |
| 12:54:08 | sjhill | hello everyone |
| 13:20:03 | sjhill | hey TomW |
| 13:20:19 | TomW | morning |
| 13:20:25 | sorphin | TomW: is not |
| 13:21:03 | TomW | I have to ressurect the M68K uClinux stuff this morning and get it working again. I have a M68331 system to build some binaries for. |
| 13:22:31 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 13:22:41 | sjhill | prpplague: howdy redneck |
| 13:22:50 | sjhill | snickers |
| 13:22:54 | sorphin | sjhill: lo bcmbitch |
| 13:23:43 | sjhill | lol |
| 13:24:40 | prpplague | lol, howdy yalll |
| 13:24:46 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:22:52) |
| 13:25:03 | prpplague | hang on a sec, let me get the goats out of the computer room |
| 13:25:05 | sorphin | prpplague: he hollers and the IBM POS's come a runnin |
| 13:26:02 | sjhill | i'm pretty sure i shouldn't be having caffeine this early |
| 13:26:35 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: its never too early for caffeine |
| 13:26:50 | sorphin | heh, and there went 1/2 the channel |
| 13:27:23 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: right right...what am i thinking! |
| 13:28:25 | CosmicPenguin | eats a jitter bean |
| 13:28:30 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... concentrated coffee |
| 13:28:47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: choc covered coffee beans? |
| 13:28:56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yep |
| 13:29:14 | sorphin | too bad caffeine has -0- effect on me |
| 13:29:34 | sjhill | apparently there is no busybox channel on irc |
| 13:29:41 | scanline | just chugged a red bull |
| 13:29:47 | sorphin | sjhill: thank god there's not |
| 13:29:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: still headed to the nudie bar tomorrow |
| 13:29:56 | sorphin | sjhill: it's bad enough busybox exists ;) |
| 13:30:05 | scanline | haha |
| 13:30:09 | sjhill | sorphin: it's saving my butt right now :) |
| 13:30:19 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: do you have a burning question I might be able to help with? |
| 13:30:24 | scanline | Maybe the uClibc channel doubles as a busybox channel? |
| 13:30:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya maybe |
| 13:30:28 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: how nice of you to ask, yes i do |
| 13:30:29 | sorphin | sjhill: well, don't put your butt in jeaopardy then :P |
| 13:30:57 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i created a 'modules.dep' file, but the BB 'insmod' doesn't seem to use it... |
| 13:30:59 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: for example... |
| 13:31:47 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: 'insmod xfs_support.o -> insmod xfs.o' works... but if i try to just 'insmod xfs.o' it fails because 'xfs_support.o' needs to be in first |
| 13:32:59 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: insmod != modprobe |
| 13:33:02 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: essentially it looks like 'modules.dep' doesn't even get used with BB in uClinux...maybe 0.61.x BB works |
| 13:33:24 | sjhill | is humbled |
| 13:34:42 | TomW | sjhill: isn't modprobe supposed to resolve module dependancies, I never got insmod to do that even on a standard distro. |
| 13:34:43 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: so, 'modprobe' is the one that does that dependancy magic? |
| 13:34:43 | sjhill | TomW: it works for me....most of the time :-/ |
| 13:34:43 | scanline | screams |
| 13:34:43 | scanline | Die win32 API, Die visual C++!!! |
| 13:34:43 | TomW | sjhill: maybe a busybox "extension" then. |
| 13:34:44 | scanline | you'd think that in an Operating Systems class we'd use a real operating system! |
| 13:35:02 | sjhill | TomW: so apparently i need a whole bunch of lines in '/etc/modules.conf' *sigh* |
| 13:35:35 | scanline | win32 has an ioctl function, and it takes 8 parameters... grr... the floppy device is "\\.\A:" |
| 13:35:48 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: yep, as far as I know. I'm looking at the source code right now, and it looks like modprobe opens modules.dep and buids a dependancy list |
| 13:36:35 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: how can you *not* study a POSIX system in an operating systems class |
| 13:36:47 | CosmicPenguin | is away: meeting |
| 13:37:23 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: beats me.. they give some examples of POSIX ways to do things, but all the assignments are done on a windows 2000 box we rdesktop into remotely |
| 13:37:39 | scanline | at least I don't have to run a line of MS code on my box... |
| 13:38:26 | scanline | After working on picogui using gdb, electric fence, ddd, and valgrind... VC++ is hell |
| 13:40:58 | scanline | MS has to define their own file operations that are semantically like POSIX but with longer names and more arguments... just to make people mad |
| 13:41:13 | scanline | growls |
| 13:41:13 | TomW | scanline: I know what you mean, I switched most of my embedded development stuff (8051) under linux and it has been so much easier to do. |
| 13:41:29 | scanline | TomW: I wouldn't touch this stuff if it wasn't for a class :) |
| 13:41:55 | scanline | I used the win32 API a while ago, before I found out about linux... never wanted to go back |
| 13:42:12 | TomW | scanline: too bad the schools lag abt 5 years behind the current state-of-the-art, eh? |
| 13:42:47 | scanline | yeah.. the frustrating thing is that the book and the professor mention Linux and POSIX stuff frequently, but never give assignments on it |
| 13:42:47 | TomW | "those that cannot do, teach" |
| 13:43:05 | scanline | I also get the feeling that the prof likes win32 a lot better... like more arguments make it more professional |
| 13:43:22 | scanline | he actually made it sound like fork() was a toy because it had no arguments and the windows version has like 11 |
| 13:43:43 | scanline | TomW: hehe, yeah |
| 13:44:59 | scanline | bah! no win32 reference on here since MSDN isn't installed... I want manpages! |
| 13:45:12 | scanline | would throw something at this windows box if he was in the same room as it |
| 13:49:00 | scanline | ugh.. more 16-bit-isms |
| 13:49:32 | scanline | oh well... </rant> |
| 13:56:18 | kergoth`out | hey |
| 13:56:43 | sorphin | hey it's that digithing |
| 13:56:55 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 13:56:57 | kergoth | shudders |
| 13:56:59 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 13:57:12 | sorphin | tired and rainily |
| 13:57:27 | scanline | hiya kergoth |
| 13:58:20 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:21:33) |
| 13:58:36 | kergoth | hey scanline |
| 13:59:47 | scanline | wb CosmicPenguin |
| 13:59:59 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: thanksw |
| 14:06:17 | levi | is back (gone 14:18:39) |
| 14:08:45 | CosmicPenguin | loves the tasty goodness of apt4rpm |
| 14:21:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, i'm sick of these stupid projects that they are giving me to work on...... |
| 14:30:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: tell me about it |
| 14:30:59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they've got me working on adding support to our database to attach document images and signature captures, its soooooooooo boring |
| 14:31:10 | | well, BLOB is the Boot Loader OBject |
| 14:31:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: BLOB? |
| 14:31:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what? |
| 14:31:26 | TomW | humph! Was thinking about the same thing. All the new interesting stuff has to be put off for now until I clear up some issues with older stuff. |
| 14:31:28 | | CosmicPenguin: excuse me? |
| 14:31:28 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: I thought direct addressing waas on |
| 14:31:29 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 14:31:32 | | Since Thu Sep 19 21:51:07 2002, there have been 616 modifications and 2151 questions. I have been awake for 13 days, 17 hours, 40 minutes, 25 seconds this session, and currently reference 84564 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 14:31:32 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: status |
| 14:31:42 | sorphin | optional :P |
| 14:31:44 | CosmicPenguin | Who put addressing in optional mode? |
| 14:31:59 | | sorphin: i'm not following you... |
| 14:31:59 | sorphin | ibot: direct addressing |
| 14:32:05 | sorphin | bah |
| 14:32:33 | | OK, CosmicPenguin. |
| 14:32:33 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: only speak when you are spoken to |
| 14:32:36 | sorphin | as if it's not bad enough that SPRINTLINK (who i'm having to go through to get to my network from work) is at 1500ms :P |
| 14:33:03 | levi | Ew. |
| 14:33:26 | sorphin | levi: something like that |
| 14:33:50 | CosmicPenguin | seesh - and I was just complaining that ArosNet was slow because I was at about 175ms |
| 14:34:13 | levi | I have 2-way satellite at home, so my lowest ping times are around 800ms and they regularly pass 1 second. |
| 14:34:30 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:34:50 | sorphin | my 1st hop at the house is 15-20ms :P |
| 14:34:58 | levi | jealous |
| 14:39:32 | sorphin | well, i am 1.5 blocks from the dslam |
| 14:42:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: were you needing to ask something about blob? |
| 14:42:13 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: what book are you using for the OS class? Is it the dinosaur book? |
| 14:42:24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no.... BLOB (shut up ibot!) is the |
| 14:42:33 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: no, it's one our professor wrote |
| 14:42:35 | CosmicPenguin | SQL datatype for large amounts of data (images, etc...) |
| 14:42:45 | scanline | "Operating Systems: A modern perspective" |
| 14:43:16 | CosmicPenguin | wonders how you can teach an OS class without the dinosaur book |
| 14:43:17 | scanline | For this project I have to write a proggie to decode a FAT12 filesystem on a floppy disk |
| 14:43:26 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: badly? |
| 14:43:30 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like teaching a networking class without Stevens! |
| 14:44:01 | levi | scanline: Where are you going to school? |
| 14:44:06 | scanline | Yeah.. so far the lectures have been about OS organization and the assignments mainly Win32 API... so I'm about ready to puke |
| 14:44:15 | scanline | levi: university of colorado at boulder |
| 14:44:38 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: check out the mkdosfs project - they do a good job of handling FAT |
| 14:45:10 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: nah, this is much simpler than that. it's really just a pretty-printer for disk sectors. That's the easy part, the win32 api is annoying |
| 14:45:11 | levi | scanline: Ahh. Your curriculum sounds scarily like the one at BYU, which I never got around to taking but heard a lot of complaining about. |
| 14:45:32 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: and the fact that I'm debugging this on a remote machine with a disk in the drive, and when another user is reading the disk to test their program I can't |
| 14:45:52 | CosmicPenguin | boggles |
| 14:46:07 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: BTW - hows the weather? |
| 14:46:11 | scanline | Yeah.. so far there's little I've learned at this school that I haven't already learned on my own |
| 14:46:20 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: kinda rainy |
| 14:46:26 | CosmicPenguin | is driving to Denver tomorrorw |
| 14:46:45 | scanline | We're hoping for some snow soon :) |
| 14:47:05 | CosmicPenguin | It snowed in the mountains here - that should be the same storm that you guys have |
| 14:47:11 | CosmicPenguin | 21 inches at Alta! |
| 14:47:23 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: where are you at? |
| 14:47:32 | CosmicPenguin | Salt Lake City |
| 14:47:45 | scanline | ah |
| 14:47:49 | scanline | ok |
| 14:49:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, i've not heard that |
| 14:50:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wish they would get someone in software to do this crap anyway |
| 14:50:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats what comes from being the knowlable one |
| 14:51:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, i'd be happy to take a pay cut and move down to a common tech |
| 14:55:24 | CosmicPenguin | if (errno == ESPELLING) goto hell; |
| 15:04:21 | prpplague | if [ "$BOSSIQ" -lt 65 ] ; then /bin/promote --payraise |
| 15:04:41 | sorphin | heh, now google's being sued |
| 15:05:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: does udhcpc store a pid file anywhere? |
| 15:08:22 | sjhill | smiles |
| 15:08:47 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: 'modprobe' does it right...me thinks a 'insmod' shell script to call 'modprobe' |
| 15:09:37 | CosmicPenguin | why can't you just call modprobe? |
| 15:13:42 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i have XFS compiled as a module...i then do 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt' which is an XFS partition, 'insmod' gets called to insert the module automatically, correct? |
| 15:20:02 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I think so, if you have the kernel autoloader running |
| 15:20:24 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I normally don't risk it |
| 15:41:55 | scanline | is away: ZzZz... |
| 15:50:32 | CosmicPenguin | ack! apt-get removed GCC!!!!!!! |
| 15:50:36 | CosmicPenguin | the bastards! |
| 15:50:52 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:50:58 | kergoth | how the hell did that happen? |
| 15:50:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:51:04 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I have no idea |
| 15:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | adds gcc to the ignore list |
| 16:15:54 | BZFlag | ipv6. huh? |
| 16:17:34 | sorphin | she's been on it for a while.. tis just a tunnel tim |
| 16:17:46 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... I've never seen the domain name get resolved before for a IPV6 address |
| 16:17:50 | sorphin | has 2 tunnel, just haven't worked out the local routing for it |
| 16:18:07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it only happens if you set up hte DNS like you're supposed to |
| 16:19:27 | BZFlag | really needs to get his ipv6 net up again. |
| 16:21:27 | BZFlag | works well I see. |
| 16:21:58 | sorphin | thatdoesn't mean it's her tunnel |
| 16:23:22 | BZFlag | heh. just kidding anyway. |
| 17:13:53 | prpplague | anyone here worked with some of the cl series arm cores? |
| 17:14:07 | prpplague | or any of the sharp cores? |
| 17:15:35 | BZFlag | we have some sharp core systems in house. might ask duck@lineo.com about them. |
| 17:17:21 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i knew duck was working on some, i'm just wondering if a cl or sharp core might be better for my little board |
| 17:18:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: the strongarm and the xscale are so well know, i'm just curious whether someone would really care if its a SA series or just arm core in general |
| 17:19:47 | BZFlag | as long as it's mmufull it's fine with me. |
| 17:24:39 | BZFlag | someone(tm) ought to make cheap speed throttling replacement fans. |
| 17:24:59 | BZFlag | wants 2 for his loud 1u server. |
| 17:28:31 | prpplague | BZFlag: agreed on the mmu-full |
| 17:29:02 | prpplague | BZFlag: have you seen this - http://www.earthlcd.com/marmalade.htm |
| 17:31:55 | CosmicPenguin | Wanna Help? Are you an ARM programmer, tool developer, GNU, JTAG expert. We will donate a small qty of kits to those who are willing to publish their code and projects on our website. Send your idea and qualifications to lcdking@earthlcd.com. |
| 17:33:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya well i've been calling and emailing them for almost 6 months |
| 17:33:48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll wonder if they'll give it to one of us independents.... |
| 17:34:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder if they will ever actually mass produce it |
| 17:39:27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats the million dollar question for anybody with an ARM on the board |
| 17:43:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i know the feeling |
| 17:43:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still 4 or 5 months out of getting my boards of the assembly line |
| 17:50:33 | file | hey all |
| 17:51:43 | | ACTION file: no |
| 17:51:43 | prpplague | ibot: tell file |
| 17:52:51 | file | prpplague: didn't get returned? |
| 17:54:28 | prpplague | file: nothing yet |
| 17:54:39 | file | prpplague: wow - good |
| 17:54:45 | prpplague | file: i was planning to do a tracking on them in the next day or two |
| 17:54:55 | file | prpplague: I doubt you can |
| 17:55:09 | sorphin | eesh |
| 17:55:14 | sorphin | so THATS what happened to lik sang |
| 17:55:16 | file | and surface is advertised is 4-6 weeks :) |
| 17:55:20 | file | er as |
| 17:55:32 | sorphin | Microsoft Shuts Down Lik Sang |
| 17:58:34 | file | prpplague: have you given up on the iQuest? |
| 17:58:46 | prpplague | file: ya after the first night |
| 17:58:56 | file | prpplague: bah |
| 17:59:04 | file | prpplague: going to try something else? |
| 17:59:13 | prpplague | the bubble chip will be too hard to reverse engineer by myself |
| 17:59:47 | prpplague | i called leapfrog, but their ppl just laughed at me |
| 18:00:07 | file | lol |
| 18:00:53 | sorphin | prpplague: they saw you comin |
| 18:01:02 | prpplague | sorphin: lol yep |
| 18:01:04 | sorphin | "oh, it's that IBM POS luser, we'll just taunt him" |
| 18:02:34 | prpplague | wahooo, i'm booked for a 10 days excursion to barbados! |
| 18:02:54 | sorphin | prpplague: you should be glad they lost the config then ;p |
| 18:04:46 | file | <<arabic singing in background>> The IBM POS will takeover the world. You can either be an IBM Minion, or dead. |
| 18:05:12 | file | argh |
| 18:06:38 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well this is to upgrade a server |
| 18:07:15 | file | prpplague: can I call in to USPS? You know how persuasive I can be |
| 18:07:49 | sorphin | file: you whining about something not showing up sitll? :P |
| 18:08:32 | file | sorphin: well it has been over two weeks... |
| 18:09:57 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:10:01 | sorphin | hate to tell you |
| 18:10:18 | sorphin | post office won't do shit for 30 days, and then after 30 days, then they'll initiate a trace if you ask.. |
| 18:10:38 | file | I know :) |
| 18:13:25 | file | I'm not surprised it isn't here yet |
| 18:31:07 | file | hey Russ |
| 18:31:31 | LIM | hi ho |
| 18:42:22 | Russ|werk | hey file |
| 18:42:24 | Russ|werk | er |
| 18:42:25 | Russ|werk | to late |
| 18:44:13 | | matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 18:44:13 | prpplague | ibot: matchbox |
| 18:49:36 | | you are author of matchbox and xkbd and stuff or famous, see http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html or available in handy icon form: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/meico.png |
| 18:49:36 | mallum | ibot: mallum |
| 18:50:28 | prpplague | mallum: sorry just needed the url to recommend to someone |
| 18:50:45 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 18:56:54 | | russ is on crack |
| 18:56:54 | Russ|werk | ibot: russ |
| 18:57:05 | LIM | ha |
| 18:57:15 | Russ|werk | why doesn't it say 'you are on crack'? |
| 18:57:25 | Russ|werk | oh |
| 18:57:25 | LIM | you aren't russ |
| 18:57:30 | | Russ|werk is probably chained to this nick, so you don't need to worry about that |
| 18:57:30 | Russ|werk | ibot: Russ|werk |
| 19:13:59 | sjhill | anybody got a nice mirror of the RH8 iso's? |
| 19:14:46 | file | negative |
| 19:29:34 | CosmicPenguin | is reminded of Top Gun |
| 19:31:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why is this the "danger zone"? |
| 19:33:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2123309,00.html |
| 19:33:52 | CosmicPenguin | Negative ghostrider, the pattern is full |
| 19:34:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hahahhahahah, roflmao |
| 19:34:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what a freakin crock |
| 19:36:07 | sorphin | btw, anyone having net access probs, it's our fault apparently |
| 19:36:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been doing that for 3 years, SCO hasn't got a clue, they can't even get a decent termcap entry for linux on sco or one for sco on linux |
| 19:36:24 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats what I noticed... ;) |
| 19:36:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that has got to be the biggest vaporware i've ever seen |
| 19:36:32 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 19:36:34 | kergoth | oh my |
| 19:36:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: <sco on linux> thats why I have a job... :) |
| 19:37:08 | sorphin | i noticed it way earlier when i was fine from sprintlink to me home network, but shite from uunet to sprint |
| 19:38:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well thats why kergoth and i also have a job |
| 19:38:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and thats why sco has fired most of it ppl |
| 19:52:02 | sorphin | http://www.amibiosornot.com/ |
| 19:55:27 | sjhill | *smack* *smack* |
| 19:55:30 | sjhill | fscking telnet daemon |
| 19:55:47 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i have everything working except the telnet daemon |
| 19:56:30 | sorphin | sjhill: only someone like you would be able to appreciate the above link ;p |
| 19:57:16 | prpplague | sjhill: how are implementing the telnet daemon? |
| 19:57:26 | prpplague | sjhill: are you using a mirco-telnet implementation? |
| 19:59:28 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm using whatever is in the uClinux distro |
| 19:59:41 | sjhill | i also tried 'utelnetd' |
| 19:59:47 | sjhill | and i get -> |
| 19:59:55 | sjhill | ~ # ./utelnetd & |
| 19:59:55 | sjhill | [2] 35 |
| 19:59:55 | sjhill | ~ # telnetd: starting |
| 19:59:55 | sjhill | port: 23; interface: any; login program: /bin/login |
| 19:59:55 | sjhill | ~ # getpty(): couldn't get pty |
| 19:59:56 | sjhill | All network ports in use! |
| 20:00:03 | sjhill | when i try to telnet in |
| 20:00:09 | sjhill | /dev/pts is mounted |
| 20:00:58 | prpplague | sjhill: i think even if you are using /dev/pts you need to have some psuedo ttys |
| 20:01:41 | prpplague | sjhill: ttyp0 and ptty0 iirc |
| 20:02:11 | sjhill | prpplague: got 'ttyp0' don't have the other one |
| 20:02:12 | sjhill | uploads |
| 20:03:20 | prpplague | sjhill: ya its ptyp0 |
| 20:04:18 | prpplague | anyone know a good gnome applet that will display info that based on the status of a file? |
| 20:06:58 | sjhill | ahem |
| 20:07:06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just about made up my mind, i think i'm going to go with gpe |
| 20:07:09 | prpplague | sjhill: what? |
| 20:07:15 | prpplague | sjhill: did i tell you wrong? |
| 20:07:19 | sjhill | 'getpty' function doesn't even exist in uClibc |
| 20:07:31 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:07:36 | sjhill | that's what the telnet daemons want |
| 20:07:43 | prpplague | sjhill: fun |
| 20:07:51 | sjhill | smacks head (again) on desk |
| 20:07:53 | prpplague | sjhill: time to hardcode, lol |
| 20:12:28 | sjhill | ah nevermind, wrong function |
| 20:14:50 | sjhill | yes!!! |
| 20:14:59 | prpplague | sjhill: success? |
| 20:15:13 | sjhill | prpplague: you must have the master pseudo terminal clone device which is '/dev/ptmx'! |
| 20:15:39 | prpplague | sjhill: never heard of that |
| 20:15:54 | prpplague | sjhill: is that something specific to uclinux? |
| 20:15:56 | kergoth | no |
| 20:15:59 | kergoth | its not uclinux specific |
| 20:16:31 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, i don't use that with my x86 and arm rootfs |
| 20:16:54 | kergoth | prpplague: i use it in OZ |
| 20:16:57 | kergoth | prpplague: or rather, its *there* |
| 20:16:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:17:00 | kergoth | dunno about use |
| 20:17:36 | sjhill | thx guys |
| 20:17:41 | sjhill | for making me thinkg |
| 20:17:49 | prpplague | sjhill: where did you find the documentation on that? |
| 20:18:43 | sjhill | prpplague: i looked in the 'telnetd' source code file |
| 20:19:37 | sjhill | that's with uClinux |
| 20:22:15 | prpplague | sjhill: ok guess i need to read about that |
| 20:22:41 | prpplague | sjhill: i normally just run a standard telnetd in debug mode so i don't need an inetd |
| 20:23:00 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm not using 'inetd' either |
| 20:32:39 | sorphin | sjhill: i don't even run telnet period ;) |
| 20:33:13 | sjhill | sorphin: customer requirement...at least for the develpment rootfs |
| 20:34:18 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:34:36 | sjhill | hmmm, 'dhcpcd -H' doesn't set the hostname *grr* |
| 20:34:56 | sjhill | ah screw it, they can do an ifconfig to see the IP addr |
| 20:34:57 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:41:24 | sjhill | kickin' |
| 20:41:33 | sjhill | finishes rootfs |
| 20:41:37 | sjhill | time to ship to customer |
| 20:41:46 | sjhill | bout' fscking time |
| 20:44:42 | CosmicPenguin | is in zmodem hell |
| 20:44:54 | LIM|Away | eek |
| 20:45:09 | LIM|Away | I couldn't get rz nor sz to work from tuxscreen... |
| 20:45:16 | LIM|Away | in any XYZ mode |
| 20:45:37 | LIM|Away | I just gave up and put a net card in it. |
| 20:48:00 | file | bah |
| 20:58:39 | sjhill | later dudes |
| 20:59:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 21:05:22 | BZFlag | kergoth: pong |
| 21:06:37 | LIM|Away | thus the ping pong championships are off to a slow start... |
| 21:37:18 | kergoth | BZFlag: odd behavior, dd from /dev/zero is hanging in a sleeping state on my Z, any ideas? |
| 21:44:43 | prpplague | argh i'm going to kill my inventory ppl, they never look when they order shit, they were suppose to orde linksys wmp11 cards and instead ordered wmp11-v27 cards |
| 21:48:24 | CosmicPenguin | Ah-hah! I found a bug in lrzsz.... |
| 21:51:00 | prpplague | someone shoooooot me |
| 21:51:10 | | ACTION shoots prpplague |
| 21:51:10 | kergoth | ibot: shoot prpplague |
| 21:51:29 | prpplague | the idiots have flashed 400 thin clients with a 16meg image on 32meg flash cards |
| 21:51:36 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:51:48 | kergoth | people suck. |
| 21:51:55 | prpplague | bangs head on desk repeatedly |
| 21:59:55 | prpplague | kergoth: these new linksys pci 802.11b cards aren't prism2 based |
| 22:01:55 | sorphin | now it's time to see if my link out is better than my link FROM work (since i don't go through alternet now) |
| 22:03:12 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, its a broadcom chipset |
| 22:10:11 | prpplague | i really hate linksys now, why can't those guys change model numbers when they use a different chipset |
| 22:12:19 | sorphin | prpplague: be sure to blame sjhill when he returns then ;) |
| 22:12:51 | jacques | prpplague: yeah I posted about that on the wlan-ng list |
| 22:13:15 | jacques | prpplague: someone didnt believe me so I had to take pictures |
| 22:17:23 | prpplague | jacques: ya that REALLY pisses me off since we 100 units now that are unusable |
| 22:18:48 | jacques | prpplague: whoah! and I thought I was screwed with my 1 |
| 22:19:02 | jacques | prpplague: I really feel for you |
| 22:19:09 | jacques | linksys is pissing me off again |
| 22:19:39 | prpplague | jacques: any idea if the dlink dwl-520 is still prism2? |
| 22:20:28 | jacques | prpplague: that's th dlink (non-enhanced?) pci? I can't say :-\ |
| 22:20:42 | jacques | tho I havent heard any reports of it being otherwise yet |
| 22:20:48 | prpplague | jacques: the way i feel right now, i might just go book a flight and dump these bitchs on the front door of linksys |
| 22:20:57 | prpplague | jacques: ya pci bus |
| 22:21:09 | jacques | it looksexactly like the netgear pci card which is the only one I have which *does* work |
| 22:21:23 | jacques | (dlink 520 looks like netgear) |
| 22:21:25 | prpplague | jacques: netgear works? |
| 22:22:09 | jacques | prpplague: my netgear works with linux yes |
| 22:22:23 | prpplague | jacques: ok, i'll have a look too |
| 22:22:41 | jacques | bad thing about netgear is that they have neer heard of a firmware update |
| 22:24:23 | jacques | MA311 is the model number - it looks exactly like the d-link with a different sticker |
| 22:24:33 | jacques | it's tiny! |
| 22:24:39 | prpplague | jacques: ya thats what i was looking at |
| 22:24:47 | prpplague | jacques: but it doesn't indicate what chipset |
| 22:24:53 | jacques | metal shield is not nearly as tall as on the linksys |
| 22:25:09 | jacques | well mine is prism 2.5 |
| 22:25:19 | jacques | just a sec... |
| 22:26:14 | jacques | Sep 28 20:31:28 localhost kernel: A Prism2.5 PCI device found, phymem:0xe3001000, irq:10, mem:0xe00bf000 |
| 22:26:25 | jacques | Sep 28 20:32:50 localhost kernel: ident: nic h/w: id=0x8013 1.0.0 |
| 22:26:25 | jacques | Sep 28 20:32:50 localhost kernel: ident: pri f/w: id=0x15 1.0.7 |
| 22:26:25 | jacques | Sep 28 20:32:50 localhost kernel: ident: sta f/w: id=0x1f 1.3.6 |
| 22:26:26 | prpplague | jacques: cool thanks |
| 22:26:33 | jacques | old firmware :-\ |
| 22:26:34 | prpplague | that is the ma311 |
| 22:26:36 | prpplague | ? |
| 22:26:39 | jacques | yes |
| 22:26:44 | prpplague | jacques: thanks |
| 22:27:04 | jacques | np I hope that halps a little |
| 22:27:20 | prpplague | waits to see what other mass stupidity can occure before he leaves work |
| 22:27:27 | jacques | heh |
| 22:27:35 | jacques | some days are like that |
| 22:28:35 | jacques | prpplague: you use 128bit WEP on these cards? |
| 22:28:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it could be worse |
| 22:28:54 | jacques | I have been having compatibility problems cetween linksys and netgear with 128bit WEP |
| 22:29:04 | prpplague | jacques: ya with a garbage like essid |
| 22:29:17 | jacques | prpplague: what's the AP ? |
| 22:29:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya how? i could be working on TT? |
| 22:29:41 | prpplague | jacques: we will get matching aps |
| 22:29:46 | jacques | nod |
| 22:29:50 | prpplague | jacques: netgear card ->netgear ap |
| 22:30:02 | prpplague | jacques: linksys can stick it |
| 22:30:13 | jacques | even after upgrading my netgear ma401ra to 1.4.9, it wont talk 128bit to a liksys AP |
| 22:30:21 | jacques | tried 2 different aps |
| 22:30:26 | prpplague | jacques: i think box up these cards, take a dump in the box and mail it back to linksys |
| 22:30:46 | jacques | my linksys wpc11 works fine with the linksys a's in 128bit tho |
| 22:31:13 | prpplague | i'm out of here before something else happens |
| 22:31:17 | prpplague | runs for the door |
| 22:31:25 | prpplague | bbiaf |
| 22:31:27 | jacques | prpplague: yeah times like this remind us that linux is not a priority for the #1 (by a long shot) consumer wireless manufacturer |
| 22:39:49 | CosmicPenguin | I am almost positive that I have found a bug in lrzsz, but I can't figure out why nobody has seen it before |
| 22:40:10 | LIM|Away | I mentioned it failed for me on tuxscreen...oy |
| 22:41:16 | CosmicPenguin | I think I can stick a workaround in Term, but still.... it bothers me |
| 22:42:51 | CosmicPenguin | is going to stop being bothered and start going on a small vacation, starting now |
| 23:18:42 | prpplague | evening all |
| 23:41:34 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 23:44:33 | prpplague | as_: evening |
| 23:44:38 | prpplague | as_: whats cooking? |
| 23:46:03 | as_ | Anything neer my solding iron usually. |
| 23:46:17 | as_ | Trying to find win2k, lost the damn disk. |
| 23:47:06 | file | doesn't have a copy unfortunately |
| 23:54:03 | prpplague | as_: lol, soldering iron goood, lead fumes baaad |
| 23:59:27 | Russ|werk | I had to rework something today |
| 23:59:35 | Russ|werk | I have crappy tools, and I suck at ti |
| 23:59:39 | Russ|werk | s/ti/it/ |
| 23:59:40 | scanline | is back (gone 08:17:45) |
| 23:59:54 | Russ|werk | no sponge, no flux, crappy iron tip |
