| 00:01:21 | as_ | I wonder if I can find a base where 1010 is 18. |
| 00:15:14 | as_ | Bah, cant solve cubics. |
| 00:16:27 | LIM | 1010(base3) -> 18(base22) |
| 00:30:17 | prpplague | returns from wallly mart with an iquest |
| 00:42:23 | prpplague | interesting device, too bad they didn't use a standard chip |
| 00:54:03 | jacques | iquest? |
| 00:55:58 | prpplague | http://www.leapfrog.com/products/prdt_quantum.jhtml?id=iquest |
| 00:56:34 | sorphin | heh, redirects me to that server at port 81 and never conencts on it :P |
| 00:56:39 | file | not wkring :( |
| 00:56:42 | file | er working |
| 00:56:48 | prpplague | thats odd |
| 00:57:00 | prpplague | http://www.leapfrog.com |
| 00:57:08 | prpplague | try just going through the main page |
| 00:57:42 | file | there it goes |
| 00:57:49 | file | hey neat |
| 00:58:13 | file | have to subscribe to their thing? |
| 00:58:23 | prpplague | its got 2 meg flash onboard with a 64k flash bootloader, and a bubble processor of unknow origin |
| 00:58:30 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:58:31 | prpplague | file: only if you want to |
| 00:58:39 | file | ic |
| 00:58:41 | sorphin | prpplague: cute.. but so ? |
| 00:59:14 | prpplague | sorphin: just thought i'd check it out and see if it would be hackable |
| 00:59:27 | sorphin | apparently not ;) |
| 00:59:51 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i really wish it was, the case is pretty nice |
| 01:00:01 | prpplague | and it has great audio |
| 01:00:28 | file | what about RAM? |
| 01:00:43 | prpplague | i didn't see any |
| 01:00:50 | file | mmm |
| 01:00:54 | prpplague | i think its on the bubble chip |
| 01:05:19 | sorphin | prpplague: i hate those ;) |
| 01:08:47 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like the base station has a 8050 processor |
| 01:10:25 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:12:26 | file | prpplague: atleast it's not an IBM POS... |
| 01:12:59 | sorphin | file: he could atleast have fun hitting that w/ a baseball bat :P |
| 01:13:06 | file | haha |
| 01:13:07 | prpplague | i like the keyboard though |
| 01:13:19 | file | sorphin: he could always dip the iQuest in beer and see what happens! |
| 01:13:27 | sorphin | nah, would ruin the beer |
| 01:13:35 | file | mmm true, true |
| 01:13:35 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, least you're not seeing this: |
| 01:13:40 | sorphin | ok boot disk |
| 01:13:40 | sorphin | Boot device: /pci@1f,4000/scsi@3/disk@0,0 File and args: |
| 01:13:40 | sorphin | Drive not ready |
| 01:13:40 | sorphin | Can't read disk label. |
| 01:13:40 | sorphin | Can't open disk label package |
| 01:13:41 | sorphin | Can't open boot device |
| 01:14:04 | file | prpplague: what's the onboard GUI like? |
| 01:14:06 | sorphin | on the drive that just showed up today |
| 01:15:05 | prpplague | man this would rock if you could play mp3's |
| 01:15:25 | file | hack it! |
| 01:15:43 | file | or smash it! |
| 01:15:46 | prpplague | file: naw, not much benefit in supporting proprietary hardware |
| 01:15:58 | file | prpplague: but it would be a nice conversation piece |
| 01:16:22 | sorphin | prpplague: return it to the store? ;) |
| 01:16:38 | prpplague | file: learning and hacking aren't for conversation its for bettering yourself |
| 01:16:55 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, i figured if i couldn't use it o'd give it to my son |
| 01:17:10 | sorphin | scary, there's a lil prpplague? ;p |
| 01:17:10 | file | prpplague: this looks like Danger's Hiptop in a way |
| 01:17:14 | prpplague | sorphin: i bought a couple of math and spelling cardridges |
| 01:17:32 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 01:17:56 | prpplague | sorphin: he's a little different that plague sr. since he's adopted |
| 01:18:03 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 01:18:16 | MonMotha | darnit...you're right...I had an off by one error :) |
| 01:18:53 | prpplague | MonMotha: i hate those |
| 01:18:53 | file | 512kb cartridge for $9.99 USD |
| 01:19:07 | file | oh wait |
| 01:19:14 | sorphin | prpplague: doesn't matter, i'm sure you're still corrupting him :P |
| 01:19:19 | file | only the 4 megabyte one will work with the iQuest |
| 01:19:20 | file | bah |
| 01:19:27 | sorphin | soon he'll be bitching about IBM POS's just like you ;) |
| 01:19:32 | LIM | heheh |
| 01:20:17 | file | mmm time for bed |
| 01:20:24 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, he already has gotten in trouble a couple of times at school for telling the teacher that "this winblows computer sucks" |
| 01:20:30 | LIM | file: weakling! ;) |
| 01:20:38 | file | LIM: bah |
| 01:20:41 | LIM | heheh |
| 01:20:57 | file | prpplague: they should be thanking him for noticing, and asking him to install Linux |
| 01:21:00 | sorphin | prpplague: he's got a good start ;) |
| 01:21:30 | sorphin | wonders about this fucking drive. |
| 01:21:40 | prpplague | i'm tempted to go and buy every cheap handheld at wal-mart and find one that is hackable |
| 01:21:53 | file | prpplague: what others is there? |
| 01:22:29 | sorphin | file: go to bed |
| 01:22:33 | prpplague | file: there are about 30 different handhelds that range from books to translators and dictionaries |
| 01:22:40 | file | prpplague: ic |
| 01:22:49 | file | prpplague: like the VTech Phusion? |
| 01:22:54 | sorphin | prpplague: a lot of em are gonna be the 'glob chip' |
| 01:23:03 | prpplague | everyone of them can't be a glob chip.... |
| 01:23:15 | file | it's a conspiracy - they all are |
| 01:23:42 | file | anywho - turning off monitor now, bbl |
| 01:24:49 | prpplague | http://www.vtechkids.com/product_detail.jsp?product_id=72&product_line_id=15 |
| 01:28:39 | prpplague | why do ppl design devices that are so limited in usage |
| 01:57:43 | DarkDream | http://217-117-42-6.teledisnet.be/lori.jpg |
| 01:57:48 | DarkDream | oupssssssssssssssss sorry |
| 01:57:50 | DarkDream | error |
| 02:01:27 | bhima | contemplates his own analog touch screen input... |
| 02:33:10 | cpenguin_home | Good evening |
| 02:39:24 | LIM | BZFlag: busy? |
| 03:07:54 | cpenguin_home | Did anyone save the RealMagic version of the new LoTR trailer? |
| 03:08:09 | cpenguin_home | Dammit... Sigma on my mind... s/RealMagic/RealAudio/ |
| 07:13:51 | sorphin | sighs.. any sun/scsi experts awake? :P |
| 07:49:10 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: allo |
| 07:52:46 | Nermal_Work | lo :) |
| 07:54:04 | sorphin | fights w/ equip from YOUR work |
| 07:56:08 | sorphin | can't decide if it wants to |
| 07:56:09 | sorphin | Boot device: disk File and args: |
| 07:56:09 | sorphin | SunOS Release 5.9 Version Generic 64-bit |
| 07:56:09 | sorphin | Copyright 1983-2002 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved. |
| 07:56:09 | sorphin | Use is subject to license terms. |
| 07:56:09 | sorphin | Cannot mount root on /pci@1f,4000/scsi@3/disk@0,0:a fstype ufs |
| 07:56:11 | sorphin | panic[cpu0]/thread=140a000: vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root |
| 07:56:13 | sorphin | or boot :P |
| 09:42:21 | scanline | is away: short nap |
| 12:18:50 | mace | hey all |
| 13:12:45 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 13:22:02 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:05:05) |
| 13:22:19 | CosmicPenguin | Hello everybody |
| 13:22:57 | sjhill | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 13:22:59 | sjhill | howyd prpplague |
| 13:23:04 | sjhill | smacks sorphin |
| 13:26:07 | sorphin | sjhill: stuff it bitch |
| 13:26:33 | sorphin | ibot: sjhill-- |
| 13:26:36 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:27:32 | prpplague | lol, nothing like a quality greeting in #tuxscreen |
| 13:32:18 | sjhill | lol |
| 13:32:48 | sjhill | i thought the whole purpose of irc was to take out frustration on people ;) |
| 13:38:18 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: good morning |
| 13:38:37 | CosmicPenguin | seriously regrets teaching sorphin about karma |
| 13:38:44 | CosmicPenguin | wants another latte |
| 13:39:12 | CosmicPenguin | Red Hat 8.0 Released |
| 13:39:13 | CosmicPenguin | [ Red Hat Software ]Posted by michael on Wednesday October 02, @07:10AM |
| 13:39:20 | CosmicPenguin | Geez, they're only about 48 hours late |
| 13:39:31 | sorphin | ibot: cosmicpenguin++ |
| 13:39:32 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:39:57 | sorphin | i wondered when they were gonna have something about that mod chip.. that's old too |
| 13:40:04 | sorphin | but then, /. is usually recycled news |
| 13:40:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya, i had all the iso's dl'd around 11am monday |
| 13:41:21 | sorphin | RH sucks :P |
| 13:41:38 | prpplague | sorphin: generally it does, however 8 even sucks more |
| 13:43:31 | sjhill | prpplague: looks like i'll transition my RH servers to Debian |
| 13:43:42 | sjhill | i've been putting it off for a while now |
| 13:45:48 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: may I suggest Gentoo? |
| 13:45:59 | prpplague | sjhill: that would be wise, i've ordered a copy of the rhat enterprise version, and if it doesn't perform, i'll move ours to debian as well |
| 13:46:42 | CosmicPenguin | has issues with the Debian philosophy |
| 13:47:04 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 13:49:50 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone else noted that there is something wrong with the busybox CVS server - now it hangs on every project, not just udhcp |
| 13:51:08 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: yes, i've noticed the same thing |
| 13:51:14 | CosmicPenguin | quite annoying |
| 13:52:17 | CosmicPenguin | Wimps - NASA won't launch the shuttle because of a tiny hurricane.... |
| 13:52:25 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 13:54:41 | mallum | has anyone tried RH8 ? |
| 13:55:55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i personally don't care about philosophy, i just use what works for me. |
| 14:04:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya are you having problems with bb cvs too? |
| 14:05:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i tried to do a openzaurus buildroot lastnight and couldn't get a complete cvs update |
| 14:05:20 | prpplague | mallum: ya i got it installed on two boxes |
| 14:06:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - both busybox devel and busybox stable hangs |
| 14:06:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mine was hanging at util-linux/umount.c |
| 14:07:20 | mallum | prpplague: oooh, with gnome desktop etc ? |
| 14:08:12 | mallum | prpplague: Im interested cos I remember reading RH hacked KDE's 'kicker' ( dock ) so that it conformed to the systray standard. ie this means matchbox dockapps should dock in it .... |
| 14:08:40 | prpplague | mallum: ya i installed the gnome desktop, but haven't had time to test anything |
| 14:11:23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: me too |
| 14:12:01 | CosmicPenguin | is waiting for RH 8.2 before I upgrade |
| 14:12:51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok good, i was afraid i'd hosed my buildroot |
| 14:13:32 | CosmicPenguin | updates apt4rpm |
| 14:13:33 | prpplague | kills a chicken and uses the blood to write BB and calls the daemon andersee to appear |
| 14:13:44 | CosmicPenguin | the daemon andersee is in sin city |
| 14:14:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: crap thats right |
| 14:14:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: darn |
| 14:14:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hope his hotel has a t1 |
| 14:15:11 | prpplague | anyone know a good howto on linux db server tunning? |
| 14:17:26 | CosmicPenguin | what db? |
| 14:21:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its our proprietary db |
| 14:21:29 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh.... so just tuning in general |
| 14:21:59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 14:22:28 | sjhill | w00t! |
| 14:22:31 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... well... lets see... |
| 14:22:35 | CosmicPenguin | mmap() is your friend for speed |
| 14:22:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still having some load problems, and i'm not sure where to start looking |
| 14:22:58 | sjhill | uClinux for MIPS worked first try including the rootfs... |
| 14:23:02 | sjhill | is l33t |
| 14:23:07 | prpplague | sjhill: congrads! |
| 14:23:13 | sjhill | prpplague: thx :) |
| 14:23:25 | sorphin | sjhill: i think you've confused 133t w/ 14m3 |
| 14:23:26 | prpplague | sjhill: which MIPS chip are you using? |
| 14:23:26 | sjhill | now to fine tune the init scripts |
| 14:23:45 | sjhill | sorphin: you're lucky i like you a lot |
| 14:23:49 | sjhill | ;-) |
| 14:24:01 | sorphin | smirks |
| 14:24:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: load problems? speed? corruption? disk usage? |
| 14:24:05 | sjhill | prpplague: Broadcom 7320 -> MIPS r5c core |
| 14:24:15 | sorphin | sjhill: well, you DID say 'w00t' so you had it ocming |
| 14:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | 7320? Is that for sale? |
| 14:24:17 | sorphin | coming too |
| 14:24:21 | prpplague | typical frame relay guru |
| 14:24:45 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: yeah, it's our single chip cable/satellite settop solution...has dual MPEG decoders to drive 2 TV's |
| 14:24:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mainly load, i'm seeing about 3.5 average load |
| 14:24:54 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: url by chance? |
| 14:25:00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ahh.... |
| 14:25:01 | sjhill | panics |
| 14:25:07 | sjhill | lemme' see |
| 14:25:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how many records |
| 14:25:10 | sorphin | prpplague: frame relay guru? um.. not quite.. that's the guy i share an "office" with.. |
| 14:25:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: db records? let me check |
| 14:26:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: around 8.6 million |
| 14:26:29 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: sorry, nothing external |
| 14:27:39 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: doh |
| 14:27:57 | sjhill | so apparently busybox looks for '/etc/init.d/rcS' to start off with...hmm |
| 14:28:05 | sjhill | well, busybox 'init' anyway |
| 14:28:59 | prpplague | sjhill: i still use sysv init because i like more defined runlevels |
| 14:29:03 | sjhill | when this is done, i'll have to submit patches for uClibc, MTD and uClinux....sheesh |
| 14:29:24 | sjhill | prpplague: i only need one, so i guess i'm cool |
| 14:29:54 | sorphin | fedex comes through once again |
| 14:30:21 | sorphin | package isn't due for delivery till tommorrow according to est date.. however, it got into town this morning so it's on the truck for delivery today |
| 14:30:28 | sorphin | UPS would hold it till tomorrow |
| 14:31:01 | sorphin | reminds me of when i bought my thinkpad, it had saturday delivery tagging, but it showed up here in stl on friday, so fedex came early |
| 14:31:09 | sorphin | reminds me why i prefer them |
| 14:38:35 | CosmicPenguin | There is nothing more annoying than a wobbly cooling fan |
| 14:39:20 | sorphin | yup |
| 14:39:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a wobbly gf? |
| 14:39:35 | sorphin | oh one that's gotten to the point taht it grinds |
| 14:39:39 | sorphin | s/oh/or/ |
| 14:39:55 | prpplague | sorphin: no i like a gf that grinds |
| 14:40:04 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:40:07 | sorphin | i meant fan |
| 14:40:09 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:40:47 | prpplague | fails at attempt to be funny |
| 14:41:21 | sorphin | prpplague: yup, you failed, just like IBM POS's fail to ever work right |
| 14:41:52 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 14:42:10 | prpplague | sorphin: which reminds me i need to check and see if they have delayed the driver release again.... |
| 14:42:44 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www2.clearlake.ibm.com/store/support/html/drivers.html |
| 14:42:53 | prpplague | sorphin: check out the red note at the bottom |
| 14:43:12 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 14:43:12 | prpplague | ibot: date |
| 14:43:16 | | rumour has it time is up |
| 14:43:16 | prpplague | ibot: time |
| 14:43:46 | sorphin | ibot's right ;) |
| 14:44:18 | sorphin | prpplague: another lie ;) |
| 14:45:54 | CosmicPenguin | If I tap this fan just right, I can play jingle bells |
| 14:47:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, found it, got an app creating zombies |
| 14:49:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just in time for halloween |
| 14:51:18 | sjhill | *sigh* no fricking 'depmod', no wonder |
| 14:52:19 | prpplague | sjhill: lol, the joys of "diet" linux |
| 14:52:34 | sjhill | prpplague: yup, welcome to embedded systems...again |
| 14:52:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, much better, kill the zombies and the load has droped to 1.0 |
| 14:53:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder why linux isn't getting those |
| 14:54:17 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmmm..... is your main app waiting around for the pid or something? |
| 15:02:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya the parent app has several child process that it will have to wait for |
| 15:02:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i looks like these are sessions where the connection was broken yet the app didn't die |
| 15:03:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. someone opens a ssh session and launches the app, the they turn off the client without logging out |
| 15:03:24 | prpplague | s/the/then |
| 15:04:51 | prpplague | whats the largest number of users you guys have had on a single linux box? |
| 15:04:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did the shell die? |
| 15:05:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nope, its showing the shell is still alive, but with no controling terminal |
| 15:05:21 | sorphin | c/lear |
| 15:05:24 | sorphin | grr |
| 15:05:24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats why the zombies are around |
| 15:05:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, but why didn't the shell die when the connection terminated? |
| 15:05:58 | CosmicPenguin | IMHO thats a sshd problem - but others may argue that is a feature |
| 15:06:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that would be my first assumption, but it looks like it is occuring with telnet as well |
| 15:06:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: which is why I say its a feature |
| 15:06:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 15:07:20 | CosmicPenguin | You can close a serial session and still have your login session running when you come back |
| 15:07:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder if i can add a timeout on the daemon |
| 15:07:59 | CosmicPenguin | So consider the first modem connections - somebody would telnet in, have the modem die, and they would want to telnet back in and recover their session |
| 15:08:33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure about that though, you will have to check the telnet code to see how it reacts when the read() fails on a tcp/ip connection |
| 15:08:52 | CosmicPenguin | makes assumptions about computing history that he knows nothing about |
| 15:12:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya it looks like telnetd and sshd both poll the client to keep the connection, as long as a tcp poll comes back the session states alive |
| 15:13:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so evetually the client times out and the connection goes away |
| 15:13:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only if the tcp address can't be reached |
| 15:15:19 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 15:15:59 | sjhill | ok, so i do a 'find . -perm -1 -type f' which gives me all the executable files and then i run strip |
| 15:16:14 | sjhill | it fails because it find a shell script |
| 15:17:15 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: hold on - I've got a script for that |
| 15:18:48 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: sweet |
| 15:23:50 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: sorry boss in office |
| 15:24:21 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: flood incoming |
| 15:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | @ for fo in `find $(TARGET_DIR) -type f -perm +111`; do \ |
| 15:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | if file $$fo | grep "ELF" | grep "executable" > /dev/null; then \ |
| 15:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | $(TARGET_CROSS)strip $$fo; \ |
| 15:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | fi; \ |
| 15:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | done |
| 15:26:52 | CosmicPenguin | If you have mutiple users with different executable privilages, you'll have to tweak the permissions a bit |
| 15:27:00 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: works great, thx! |
| 15:27:02 | sjhill | k |
| 15:27:14 | sjhill | ls |
| 15:27:17 | sjhill | grr |
| 15:30:41 | sorphin | about spits out his soda |
| 15:30:53 | sorphin | F5 Tiger II's |
| 15:30:55 | sorphin | grr |
| 15:31:00 | sorphin | gcc-3.2-sol9-sparc-local.gz |
| 15:31:06 | sorphin | 68,424,306 |
| 15:31:17 | sorphin | gcc 3.2 68MEGS? wtf |
| 15:32:08 | sjhill | sorphin: that's about how big my complete uclibc cross compiler is...probably not too far out of line |
| 15:32:15 | sorphin | umm |
| 15:32:30 | sorphin | i have gcc on my SS20 |
| 15:32:37 | sorphin | and didn't pull no 60+ megs :P |
| 15:35:18 | CosmicPenguin | Its a nessesary evil - either get a huge compiler and small programs, or a small compiler and bloated programs |
| 15:35:37 | sorphin | nothing i've compiled on the SS20 was bloated |
| 15:36:22 | sorphin | digs up something older.. i don't want 3.2 anyways |
| 15:36:29 | CosmicPenguin | Bloated is a bad term - lets just say not as tight as it should be |
| 15:36:54 | sorphin | would rather not use bleeding edge gcc nyways |
| 15:37:05 | sorphin | tis just what pkg-get tried to grab |
| 15:38:26 | sjhill | so, what format does busybox 'init' want 'rcS' in? maybe i need to lose the '#! /bin/sh' line |
| 15:39:27 | CosmicPenguin | My rcS has a #!/bin/sh line |
| 15:39:45 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i don't have a '/etc/inittab' file though |
| 15:40:21 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: could you send me a copy of yours to me <sjhill@realitydiluted.com> ? |
| 15:40:48 | sjhill | eep! late for lunch date |
| 15:40:53 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: thx in advance |
| 15:40:55 | sjhill | lunch |
| 15:46:01 | sorphin | cheats and installs a solaris 8 package on solaris 9 so i cna have gcc 3.0.3 |
| 15:46:06 | sorphin | which is only |
| 15:46:10 | sorphin | 23.5M |
| 15:46:37 | sorphin | heh, 23M->68M they sure musta added some bloat there, cosmic ;) |
| 15:48:35 | CosmicPenguin | prolly c@ |
| 15:48:40 | CosmicPenguin | or C# |
| 15:48:41 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 15:48:45 | sorphin | shivers |
| 15:48:47 | sorphin | aka |
| 15:48:52 | sorphin | shit i'll never go near |
| 15:48:59 | sorphin | kinda like g77 :P |
| 15:49:19 | sorphin | or gjava or whatever |
| 15:57:43 | sorphin | kergoth: allo mr digi |
| 15:58:08 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:58:13 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:58:35 | sorphin | eh |
| 15:58:58 | sorphin | hath been pondering package bloat |
| 15:58:59 | sorphin | aka |
| 15:59:21 | sorphin | gcc 3.0.3 (23M) -> gcc 3.1 (75M) -> gcc 3.2 (68M) |
| 16:01:59 | CosmicPenguin | hath been pondering why rpmfind is so bleeping slow |
| 16:02:16 | sorphin | cuz rpm is crap :P |
| 16:02:40 | CosmicPenguin | ignores sorphin |
| 16:02:46 | sorphin | laughs |
| 16:02:55 | sorphin | well, it is :P |
| 16:03:11 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but this is just a website.... you gonna tell me that TCP/IP sucks? |
| 16:03:31 | sorphin | nah, rpmfind is a decent site |
| 16:03:51 | sorphin | and TCP/IP does suck, mental telepathy would be more efficient, or osmosis |
| 16:03:55 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:04:20 | CosmicPenguin | wern't you tolling the virtues of ATM the other day? |
| 16:05:03 | sorphin | no, i suggested it over frame, but i 'tolled no virtues' |
| 16:05:32 | CosmicPenguin | prolly becuase it has none |
| 17:06:26 | scanline | is back (gone 07:24:05) |
| 17:23:25 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I can't hold back - I gotta go get a carne asada burrito |
| 17:23:30 | CosmicPenguin | is away: mmm... bertos |
| 17:43:06 | sorphin | -:- sjhill is now known as ABroadcomFreak |
| 17:44:36 | sjhill | hehe |
| 17:44:54 | sjhill | continues eating cookie dough blizzard |
| 17:44:58 | sorphin | bah |
| 17:45:01 | sorphin | you suck |
| 17:45:45 | sorphin | tries to figure out hte cause of: |
| 17:45:47 | sorphin | glm0: type 15 (NCR53C875) speed 80MHz |
| 17:45:47 | sorphin | glm0: sd0,0 tgt 0 lun 0: |
| 17:45:47 | sorphin | Synchronous(40.000MB/sec) Clean TaggedQueuing Wide |
| 17:45:47 | sorphin | glm0: sd6,0 tgt 6 lun 0: |
| 17:45:48 | sorphin | Synchronous(10.000MB/sec) Noisy NoTaggedQueuing Narrow |
| 17:46:13 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:22:42) |
| 17:46:31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh oh, the weasel's back |
| 17:47:04 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 17:52:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, check this out, jesus is using way tooo cpu clocks, lol - http://www.abcsinc.com/images/top.jpg |
| 17:53:23 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, 422 proceses |
| 17:53:52 | sorphin | and the big "bulk" is your dbrslexe |
| 17:53:57 | prpplague | sorphin: ya its a slow day, what till saturday |
| 17:54:53 | prpplague | sorphin: ya "database reporting, scripting and language executable" |
| 17:55:05 | sorphin | aka |
| 17:55:09 | sorphin | big pile of cruft ;) |
| 17:55:12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you would think he would be "nice"... :) |
| 17:55:33 | sorphin | doh |
| 17:55:36 | sorphin | i just noticed that |
| 17:55:47 | prpplague | sorphin: we just call it "gooberslexe" |
| 17:55:54 | sorphin | prpplague: laying on of hands on IBM POS's? |
| 17:56:13 | prpplague | sorphin: i guess |
| 17:56:28 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:56:34 | sorphin | not only is it jesus |
| 17:57:04 | sorphin | he's almost invincible (bad spelling there) |
| 17:57:26 | prpplague | on saturday we will have around 400 users on the system |
| 17:58:01 | sorphin | do you personally know any of the listed lusers? |
| 17:59:17 | prpplague | sorphin: naw |
| 17:59:34 | file | prpplague: let me guess - you don't assign usernames, they choose? |
| 17:59:54 | prpplague | file: yep |
| 18:00:08 | file | thought so - jesus sounded like something you wouldn't give out |
| 18:00:21 | sorphin | course not |
| 18:00:23 | prpplague | file: i'm just the janitor, i clean up the mess when it gets nasty |
| 18:00:26 | sorphin | jesus = god |
| 18:00:29 | sorphin | god = root |
| 18:00:31 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:00:36 | file | sorphin: that's what I thought |
| 18:00:39 | file | prpplague: ic |
| 18:00:46 | file | prpplague: how does it look right now? |
| 18:00:49 | prpplague | well jesus is a very common name in the central and south american |
| 18:01:02 | prpplague | that machine is in panama |
| 18:01:30 | file | :) |
| 18:01:37 | sorphin | prpplague: true, except they pronounce it, hay-soos |
| 18:01:48 | sorphin | usually |
| 18:02:04 | prpplague | sorphin: true, but thats difficult to explain over irc, lol |
| 18:02:17 | sorphin | wasn't for me ;) |
| 18:02:33 | file | Sexty second, black cat struck |
| 18:02:33 | file | Breeding worm of crypto-suck |
| 18:02:42 | sorphin | ummmm |
| 18:02:45 | file | Crackin' ze boardroom, Crackin' ze vault |
| 18:02:45 | file | Rippin' ze bat, HEY! Secure by default |
| 18:02:51 | sorphin | thikns file needs to lay off the crack |
| 18:03:03 | file | sorphin: believe it or not - this is an OpenBSD release song |
| 18:03:16 | sorphin | lame |
| 18:03:25 | file | it's neat |
| 18:04:33 | | it has been said that mp3 is (MPEG-1 layer 3) This is a compression standard for music. It enables you to fit over 100 full length songs on a single CD with almost no loss of quality. You can find MP3 players and MP3 files on the Web--you just have to look. The music industry is unhappy about MP3 files being swapped around and has shut down some sites that distribute them. |
| 18:04:33 | CosmicPenguin | file: mp3? |
| 18:04:48 | | cosmicpenguin: i haven't a clue |
| 18:04:48 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: was I talking to you, bitboy? |
| 18:05:01 | file | CosmicPenguin: would you rather an OGG? |
| 18:05:10 | file | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html |
| 18:05:13 | file | there's 3.0 and 3.1 on there |
| 18:05:28 | CosmicPenguin | file: yeah, OGG, MP3 -- as long at its not a WMA |
| 18:05:34 | file | OGG & MP3, your choice! |
| 18:19:23 | CosmicPenguin | now fears for the future of the world after hearing those two songs |
| 18:22:26 | file | mmm' |
| 18:22:35 | file | I wonder if my ADSL Modem has a private IP I can telnet into |
| 18:34:29 | CosmicPenguin | does apt-get and drags down the system to a halt |
| 18:34:37 | CosmicPenguin | checks the top list for Jesus |
| 18:36:04 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:36:17 | sorphin | even he can't save your soul, censoft boy ;) |
| 18:36:36 | CosmicPenguin | sees ganisha instead, and gets very afraid |
| 18:40:58 | sjhill | really? gee i couldn't tell there were routing problems...get bent lilo |
| 18:41:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:41:24 | sorphin | -:- Ignoring ALL messages from *!*@*.staff.freenode |
| 18:49:58 | sjhill | *canonbaaaalllll* |
| 18:57:56 | CosmicPenguin | Come back! My mom bought me dodorant this time! |
| 19:06:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ha good one |
| 19:34:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is the bb cvs still broken? |
| 19:46:53 | sorphin | most likely |
| 20:42:14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: prolly - andersee is away remember |
| 20:43:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, i figured maybe someone else with cvs access might have fixed it |
| 20:46:40 | CosmicPenguin | I think that the site as a whole - more of a sysadmin with root access sort of issue |
| 20:47:35 | CosmicPenguin | The sad thing is that I really kind of like these BSD songs..... they're good programming songs |
| 20:47:42 | CosmicPenguin | only likes techo when I am coding |
| 20:51:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i've made up my mind, i'm going to dump fltk to work on the gpe stuff |
| 20:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I respect your decision, but I don't agree with it |
| 20:59:00 | CosmicPenguin | does anyone have a favorite calculator for X? |
| 20:59:18 | CosmicPenguin | It should be easy to use without a mouse |
| 21:01:51 | fontenot | anyone here up on glibc/ARM compile issues? |
| 21:02:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what else can i do? i can't find anyone in the fltk realm interested in helping |
| 21:03:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i even tried to get some to do the app with the insentive that i would give them a zaurus, still no takers |
| 21:04:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, the FLTK realm is a bit weak |
| 21:04:51 | CosmicPenguin | But the question is, what are your intentions: Are you looking at a long term baseline project or are you looking for a app to be developed on deadlilne? |
| 21:05:13 | | no idea, cosmicpenguin |
| 21:05:13 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: why don't you check my spelling? |
| 21:05:49 | scanline | hmm.. is ibot in optional addressing now? |
| 21:05:53 | scanline | seen CosmicPenguin? |
| 21:05:57 | | Since Thu Sep 19 21:51:07 2002, there have been 597 modifications and 2049 questions. I have been awake for 13 days, 14 minutes, 50 seconds this session, and currently reference 84557 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 21:05:57 | scanline | ibot: status |
| 21:06:02 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 21:06:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i want a long term pim base that easily accessable to other custom apps |
| 21:07:49 | CosmicPenguin | Which is definately not something you rip out in an afternoon |
| 21:09:12 | CosmicPenguin | And FLTK is a different API - GTK is much more well known through the world. Even QT lags far behind GTK in those terms. |
| 21:12:30 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is - I feel that the embedded market is due for an upheaval - as popular as the Ipaq and the Zaurus are, they are still an upper level luxury item |
| 21:12:54 | CosmicPenguin | They're not exactly flying off the shelfs at Walmart in Biloxi, Mississipi, if you follow me. |
| 21:13:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, until we get something costs and works like the iquest, the average joe smoe aint gonna spend the money |
| 21:14:04 | CosmicPenguin | If somebody wants to make a PDA that can really make a dent in the market the price point has got to drop considerably - I'm thinking somewhere in the range of a $70 retail price |
| 21:14:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya thats what i'm talking about |
| 21:15:12 | CosmicPenguin | Which is probably in the area of a 40-50 dollar BOM. At those prices, you are not going to be able to pack in 32 Flash / 32 RAM. We're talking more like 4 / 8. |
| 21:15:43 | CosmicPenguin | Even at a $100 BOM, you won't be able to stick a whole ton of flash in there, and remember that its not a very effective PDA if there isn't a good amount of |
| 21:15:47 | CosmicPenguin | persistant storage |
| 21:17:26 | file | prpplague: haven't seen it yet :) |
| 21:17:56 | scanline | yay for scalability |
| 21:18:58 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is that we are all suffering from the Microsoft syndrome - the software always expands to fit the available hardware |
| 21:19:31 | scanline | This sounds like something picogui would be good at :) |
| 21:19:43 | scanline | run the same software on your grayscale PDA with 4MB and on a shiny new iPaq |
| 21:20:11 | prpplague | scanline: agreed, but again i run into the same issue as fltk, the # of developers is small |
| 21:20:17 | scanline | nods |
| 21:20:27 | scanline | maybe that will change once I make a release |
| 21:20:28 | file | it's a paradox |
| 21:20:50 | file | you need a device to use it on to get developers interested, but you need developers interested to get it on a device |
| 21:20:59 | prpplague | scanline: i need a core team that is willing to develop some basic apps, and the continue to develop extended applications for $$ |
| 21:21:13 | file | anywho - shower time |
| 21:21:13 | file | bbl |
| 21:21:14 | CosmicPenguin | Well, the number of developers are going to be small, becuase its outside of the comfort range of most of the developers |
| 21:21:39 | CosmicPenguin | GTK is very easy to fall back on |
| 21:21:50 | scanline | Well, another problem is that GUIs are one area where holy wars are common.. developers get used to their GUI of choice and refuse to try anything else |
| 21:22:52 | CosmicPenguin | And the GPE people will talk about API compatability, and blah, blah..... but if you think about it, but the embedded market isn't simply a cute shrunken down version of the desktop market |
| 21:23:30 | CosmicPenguin | And thats what the GPE people have failed to understand, for the most part. |
| 21:23:54 | CosmicPenguin | Now thats not saying that its not a good project, and that they write bad code - it is saying that the general premise is flawed |
| 21:24:29 | CosmicPenguin | Trolltech understands that, and thats why they've put so much into QT Embedded / Qtopia |
| 21:24:59 | scanline | yeah, but Qtopia has its own issues |
| 21:25:10 | CosmicPenguin | And you probably won't be selling Qtopia enabled PDAs in the checkout line at Walmart either, just due to size and cost constraints |
| 21:25:13 | scanline | every OS sucks :) |
| 21:25:26 | CosmicPenguin | every package has its place |
| 21:25:56 | CosmicPenguin | But there is a reason why Palm outpaces everyone 3 to 1 |
| 21:26:21 | CosmicPenguin | By preferring palm, you arn't saying that Qtopia, or Linux or even Win CE sucks, becuase for the most part, they do their jobs |
| 21:26:29 | CosmicPenguin | PalmOS just does it better in that paradigm |
| 21:27:18 | scanline | Well, I think soon enough users will start noticing PalmOS's limitations |
| 21:27:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agree, this is a discussion we've had before |
| 21:28:11 | scanline | when WinCE and Linux PDAs natively support all sorts of expansion and higher resolution displays, and Palm is still using a scaled up and colorized version of their traditional 160x160 apps |
| 21:28:14 | CosmicPenguin | So yeah, GPE is great, but from my conversations with prpplague he's aiming at a market that can't afford 32 MB of flash for GTK+ |
| 21:28:52 | CosmicPenguin | Now, having said all that, I notice that I haven't volunteered to sit down and start writing a FLTK PIM suite, so its probably not my place to talk |
| 21:29:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 21:30:09 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I've *already* written a FLTK PIM suite, so I guess I'm being lazy... :) |
| 21:30:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya but it's not open source |
| 21:30:39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I wish.... |
| 21:31:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if i could get 5 ppl working on some good fltk stuff, i'd give them a z |
| 21:31:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but thats neither here nor there.... I wish I could help get a team excited about a FLTK operating environment, but I would expect that one or two people would have to write most of it first, and then get people excited on the back end |
| 21:31:51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
| 21:31:57 | CosmicPenguin | But we would have a cool name... FOE |
| 21:32:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: FOE ? |
| 21:32:20 | CosmicPenguin | FLTK Operating Environment |
| 21:32:28 | levi | prpplague: are you targetting this whole pim suite for the Z? |
| 21:32:53 | prpplague | FLTK User Compile Kit |
| 21:33:12 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 21:33:37 | prpplague | levi: negative, but i am targeting it to small lcd panels such as 128x128 and 320x240 |
| 21:34:41 | prpplague | levi: its just that the z is a nice platform for testing, much better than the ipaq IMHO |
| 21:35:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you tried doing a cvs update from a week ago on the BB stuff? |
| 21:36:28 | kergoth | prpplague: i've checked out busybox from cvs today with no problems |
| 21:36:47 | prpplague | kergoth: ok thanks, i'll try again shortly |
| 21:36:56 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah... it seems to be working better now |
| 21:36:59 | prpplague | kergoth: you been listening to my rant? |
| 21:38:17 | prpplague | kergoth: i know your a qt guy, but what do you think? should we push gpe or go our own way with fltk? |
| 21:39:00 | kergoth | prpplague: onyx4 says he got past the checkout hang by upgrading his cvs version. read BUILD in the oz buildroot for the exact version |
| 21:39:21 | kergoth | prpplague: hm, hard to say, given my own lack of experience in either gtk or fltk :) |
| 21:39:37 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, i'll check my cvs version |
| 21:39:39 | levi | Judging by the screenshots of gpe, it'd be hard to make anything useful with it on a 128x128 panel |
| 21:48:22 | prpplague | heads home |
| 21:48:33 | prpplague | i'll see you guys in a few |
| 22:01:07 | scanline | is away: food! |
| 22:01:51 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Home! |
| 22:07:52 | legodude | finally |
| 22:07:56 | legodude | damn network |
| 22:08:05 | legodude | wants to do bad things to net people here |
| 22:34:03 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:55) |
| 23:19:15 | MonMotha | hum, supposedly Digikey sells little adapters to convert SOIC packages to DIP? any ideas what these might be called? |
| 23:26:43 | | france was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: cdm: can you get it from cvs? [Tue Oct 1 18:29:48 2002] |
| 23:26:43 | jacques | ibot: seen france |
| 23:47:33 | levi | is away: heading home |
