| 00:00:14 | file | darn it |
| 00:00:16 | MonMotha | prpplague: most schools today seem to be more interested in teaching a language, than teachign the theory |
| 00:00:24 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 00:00:29 | MonMotha | which is why I'm going into CE, not CS |
| 00:01:27 | prpplague | MonMotha: actually i find industrial engineering one of the most advanced degrees in problem solving |
| 00:01:32 | MonMotha | I figure I can learn the programming on my own...but the hardware stuff is beyond me... |
| 00:02:04 | prpplague | MonMotha: yes hardware is often difficult |
| 00:02:32 | prpplague | MonMotha: many times hardware doesn't get learned unless you have a mentor that takes you under their wing |
| 00:02:45 | MonMotha | and unfortuately, the resources on the net for learning the hardware stuff seems a lot less prevalent than the software |
| 00:02:57 | prpplague | agreed |
| 00:03:18 | prpplague | MonMotha: if you are interested in hardware i suggest you get on the openhardware website |
| 00:03:28 | prpplague | MonMotha: tomw is a master at hardware |
| 00:03:31 | MonMotha | yeah, it looks nice |
| 00:05:07 | prpplague | gets into his problem solve philosphy |
| 00:15:45 | sorphin | wouldn't take CS or CE now.. |
| 00:16:15 | MonMotha | eh, as I student I have little choice...it's either that or don't pursue a higher education, which makes no sense |
| 00:16:25 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:16:32 | sorphin | is an EE by degree |
| 00:16:48 | sorphin | hence why i wouldn't do CE or CS |
| 00:16:50 | sorphin | CS is a joke |
| 00:17:02 | MonMotha | oh sorry, I saw that as CE/CS or EE for some reason |
| 00:17:02 | sorphin | there are so many CS's that get out of school and don't know shit |
| 00:46:15 | file | checks the temperature of his ADSL Modem |
| 00:46:30 | file | warm, but not hot |
| 00:48:55 | sorphin | sets it on fire :P |
| 00:49:08 | file | sets sorphin on fire |
| 00:49:21 | sorphin | already is :P |
| 00:49:28 | file | anyway |
| 00:49:30 | file | time for bed |
| 00:49:33 | sorphin | good |
| 00:49:35 | sorphin | :P |
| 01:09:02 | MonMotha | hum, wiki appears borked in IE too |
| 01:14:01 | sorphin | gimem a page taht isn't working :P |
| 01:16:27 | MonMotha | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/LucentDSP |
| 01:18:57 | sorphin | the fact that it doesn't even work in lynx, says it's the page.. |
| 01:20:51 | MonMotha | yep |
| 01:20:54 | MonMotha | notice that it looks truncated |
| 01:25:11 | sorphin | mail tim |
| 02:29:38 | MonMotha | BZFlag: the wiki seems borked btw |
| 02:29:50 | MonMotha | lots of pages seem truncated |
| 02:35:15 | BZFlag | MonMotha: happens a lot. SF issue, but we've not been able to track it down. |
| 02:35:27 | BZFlag | I might move to a different wiki soon to work around it. |
| 02:35:45 | BZFlag | reload till you get the whole page. it will happen eventually. |
| 02:36:01 | andersee | Linux 2.4.19-rmk1 finally released.... |
| 02:36:12 | andersee | Might be good for us to update |
| 02:38:36 | sorphin | BZFlag: don't even get it in lynx on the missing page that monmotha pointed me at (and you can view them in lynx otherwise (when they work)) |
| 02:39:21 | BZFlag | sorphin: hmm. I don't get them anywhere reliably. I always get them eventually if I reload them to death. |
| 02:39:32 | BZFlag | andersee: nod |
| 02:39:47 | sorphin | well |
| 02:40:16 | sorphin | i just hit wikiinfo and it's "blank" but tuxlinks is there consistantly |
| 02:41:07 | BZFlag | sorphin: example url? |
| 02:42:11 | sorphin | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/TuxScreenLinks is working and keeps working.. |
| 02:42:35 | sorphin | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/WikiInfo stays empty |
| 02:43:44 | BZFlag | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/WikiInfo <- worked fine for me first try. |
| 02:43:55 | sorphin | what browser? |
| 02:44:03 | BZFlag | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/TuxScreenLinks <- so did this one. |
| 02:44:10 | BZFlag | netscape 4.77 debian unstable. |
| 02:44:31 | sorphin | well, WikiInfo doesn't even lynx, but but Links works fine |
| 02:45:07 | sorphin | had the same results w/ netscape earlier.. and moz |
| 02:45:08 | BZFlag | just reload to death. that's the only solution I've found. |
| 02:47:57 | sorphin | has |
| 02:48:11 | sorphin | ah well, i haven't needed it for a while anyways.. |
| 03:00:51 | MonMotha | the LucentDSP page seems to be causing issues |
| 03:06:13 | MonMotha | hum...reload to death == fun when moz crashes for unknown reasons |
| 03:12:34 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:50:59 | scanline | is back (gone 16:30:26) |
| 04:54:02 | LIM | argh, my pcmcia netcard refuses to acknowledge a link to any port on my switch...I can't tell if something is fried on the pcmcia or the tuxscreen |
| 05:03:30 | MonMotha | ya know, xpdf gets a bit slow on 127 page PDF files |
| 05:21:09 | LIM | heh |
| 05:38:09 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzz... |
| 09:44:46 | file | hi Nermal at Work |
| 10:15:13 | Nermal_Work | lo lo |
| 13:21:35 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:21:45 | prpplague | andersee: or in your case afternoon, lol |
| 13:22:02 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:29:16 | andersee | prpplague: hehe |
| 13:29:27 | kergoth | morning all |
| 13:29:32 | andersee | prpplague: Feels more like evening or late night or something |
| 13:38:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 13:38:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning to you |
| 13:39:14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good weekend? |
| 13:39:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was the weekend man at work...what do you think? lol |
| 13:40:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats not fun at all |
| 13:53:44 | mallum | bah moo |
| 13:58:05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cirque is sold out till Oct |
| 14:00:15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: doh! |
| 14:00:30 | sorphin | yeah, something like that |
| 14:00:51 | sorphin | the standby line wasn't worth it.. you have a minimal chance... |
| 14:46:12 | sorphin | sjhill: allo mr broadcom |
| 14:46:42 | sjhill | sorphin: dude |
| 14:57:54 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 14:58:07 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 15:00:46 | sorphin | sjhill: sweet? |
| 15:05:28 | CosmicPenguin | sends sorphin to the penalty box for invoking a line from a bad movie |
| 15:06:43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: sjhill started it |
| 15:29:18 | sorphin | Morn: allo julie |
| 15:29:35 | Morn | :-) |
| 15:36:00 | sorphin | lo tim |
| 16:39:53 | sorphin | as_: git |
| 16:40:20 | as_ | Err, whose tail did I step on entering? |
| 16:40:43 | sorphin | everyone's of course ;) |
| 16:41:22 | as_ | jumps up and down on the channel to make sure. |
| 16:41:33 | sorphin | grins... smarmy brit |
| 18:22:35 | scanline | is back (gone 12:44:26) |
| 18:26:04 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room before sitting in the dry lecture halls |
| 18:45:18 | sorphin | http://seattleweekly.com/features/0237/arts-smallworld.shtml |
| 18:45:35 | file | waves to sorphin |
| 18:45:53 | sorphin | thinks file would prolly want of those brooms in that article :P |
| 18:48:24 | file | I haven't read it yet |
| 18:49:32 | sorphin | doesn't matter |
| 18:49:37 | sjhill | sorphin: that has "recall" or "apology" written all over it :) |
| 18:49:43 | sorphin | indeed |
| 18:50:03 | sorphin | sjhill: while you're awake ;) |
| 18:50:09 | sjhill | sorphin: sure |
| 18:50:16 | sorphin | digs out his bcm question book ;) |
| 18:50:26 | sorphin | (you knew it was coming) |
| 18:50:36 | file | oh no |
| 18:51:07 | prpplague | ha - Strange how many of the parents contributing customer reviews to the site mention that their daughters keep taking the damn thing away from the boys; |
| 18:51:37 | sorphin | sjhill: the overlay capability of the decoder.. i noticed while we were messing around on another guy's S2, when we got into a weird menu, the overlay was a bit more advanced than what the cs22 used to do.., it handled translucency very well.. |
| 18:51:52 | sjhill | k |
| 18:52:21 | sorphin | know anything about it? |
| 18:52:49 | sorphin | scan[ibook]: get to classwork :P |
| 18:52:51 | sjhill | sorphin: you're talking about better alpha layer stuff? |
| 18:53:01 | sorphin | sjhill: looks that way |
| 18:53:08 | scan[ibook] | bah |
| 18:53:45 | sjhill | scan[ibook] is a sheep |
| 18:54:06 | scan[ibook] | baaah |
| 18:54:08 | scan[ibook] | :P |
| 18:54:11 | sjhill | heh |
| 18:54:14 | sorphin | sjhill: careful, file might wanna shag him then ;p |
| 18:54:19 | sjhill | lol |
| 18:54:47 | sorphin | anyhoo |
| 18:54:52 | sjhill | sorphin: it's possible, i can tell much unless you tell me what version the driver code is on each box |
| 18:54:57 | sjhill | s/can/can't/ |
| 18:55:10 | sorphin | lemme see if i can find out.. |
| 18:57:13 | sorphin | hmm.. guess i can't (from strings'ing the driver module) |
| 18:58:31 | sorphin | i can tunnel you into the box? |
| 18:58:46 | sjhill | fine |
| 18:58:54 | sorphin | 1 mo.. |
| 19:20:53 | sorphin | grins |
| 19:21:02 | sorphin | sjhill: it's actually a tivo running tivo crap and debian too |
| 19:21:08 | sorphin | kinda scary ;) |
| 19:34:07 | MonMotha | well, I found myself a parts store at least |
| 19:34:23 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:34:48 | MonMotha | unfortunately he gave me the wrong part... |
| 19:34:51 | sorphin | doh |
| 19:34:53 | MonMotha | I needed a MAX3232 |
| 19:34:56 | MonMotha | I got a MAX232 |
| 19:35:20 | sorphin | and you checked to make sure they're not compat? |
| 19:35:26 | MonMotha | they're close |
| 19:35:37 | MonMotha | MAX232 runs at 5V, 3232 runs at 3.3V |
| 19:35:42 | MonMotha | I of course need 3.3V |
| 19:35:46 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:37:08 | MonMotha | 74SC244 should replace the HC in the JTAG, right? |
| 19:37:20 | sorphin | HC just means it's a CMOS |
| 19:37:27 | MonMotha | yeah, SC too |
| 19:37:35 | sorphin | should be ok then |
| 19:37:37 | MonMotha | HC is high speed CMOS, AC Advanced Cmod, I forget SC |
| 19:37:53 | MonMotha | not like we're running insane speeds here either, so it should work |
| 19:38:03 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 19:38:06 | sorphin | insane speeds |
| 19:38:08 | sorphin | as if |
| 19:38:49 | MonMotha | as I said...from the speeds people have reported on JTAG, it's certainly not exactly ultra high speed |
| 19:40:05 | | tangent was last seen on #intimate 1 hours, 26 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: arrives home [Mon Sep 16 19:13:57 2002] |
| 19:40:05 | MonMotha | ibot seen tangent |
| 19:41:51 | | you are mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com |
| 19:41:51 | sjhill | ibot: sjhill? |
| 19:41:57 | | thanks sjhill :) |
| 19:41:57 | sjhill | ibot: botsnack |
| 19:45:41 | MonMotha | anyone in here built the second serial port mod other than tangent? |
| 19:53:33 | prpplague | MonMotha: sorta, i made a dev board out of one of my tuxscreen cores |
| 19:53:59 | MonMotha | prpplague: what line driver did you use for the 2nd serial port? |
| 19:54:25 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm using max3232 |
| 19:54:35 | MonMotha | prpplague: what are the 4 caps? |
| 19:54:50 | prpplague | for the max3232? |
| 19:55:09 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 19:55:12 | MonMotha | the values |
| 19:55:15 | prpplague | i've not looked at tangent design in a while |
| 19:55:19 | MonMotha | ah |
| 19:55:29 | MonMotha | ok...let me get out the specs sheet :) |
| 19:55:29 | prpplague | but i used some .1u iirc |
| 19:55:42 | prpplague | give me a sec and i can pull my schematics |
| 19:55:53 | MonMotha | yep, .1u |
| 19:57:03 | prpplague | well, can't seem to find my notebook |
| 19:57:14 | file | prpplague: look on your chair |
| 19:58:18 | prpplague | file: hmm, already look, are you hacked into our ip cameras? |
| 19:58:48 | MonMotha | prpplague: MAX3232 spec sheet says .1uF I guess |
| 19:59:03 | MonMotha | so the question is, do I have 4 .1u caps |
| 19:59:13 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya looks like i used .1uf mono's |
| 19:59:55 | MonMotha | calls for electrolyis |
| 19:59:59 | MonMotha | electrolics |
| 20:00:03 | prpplague | MonMotha: you can use polirized, just make sure you follow the polarity markings |
| 20:00:07 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 20:00:11 | MonMotha | monos work too? |
| 20:00:14 | sorphin | i just use the ones w/ internal caps ;) |
| 20:00:22 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 20:00:24 | sorphin | sjhill: ping |
| 20:00:27 | MonMotha | sorphin: I'd think those would be a lot bigger |
| 20:00:36 | sorphin | MonMotha: nah |
| 20:00:40 | MonMotha | prpplague: hum, let me see if I have any |
| 20:01:05 | sjhill | sorphin: pong |
| 20:01:22 | sorphin | sjhill: well, i saw you on there, loo kat anything? |
| 20:01:31 | MonMotha | 22, 10, 4.7, not in that box... |
| 20:02:13 | MonMotha | darnit...don't have enough |
| 20:02:50 | MonMotha | not that the tux can speak with this MAX232 |
| 20:03:44 | MonMotha | I guess I'll have to go back tomorrow |
| 20:03:50 | MonMotha | I do have enough stuff to build the Shanip part tho |
| 20:03:51 | sorphin | just mod the design for 5v :P |
| 20:04:09 | MonMotha | sorphin: actually, there's some comments to that effect on the page...but I only have one buffer :) |
| 20:04:17 | sorphin | bah |
| 20:04:24 | sorphin | buffer |
| 20:04:26 | sorphin | schmuffer |
| 20:04:40 | MonMotha | "I used a MAX232 (the 5V version) because I had them sitting around, and used a 74HC245 and 150ohm current-limiting resistors to interface the 5V TTL MAX232 to the 74HC245. " |
| 20:05:19 | sorphin | and once again you're sttruggling to buy stuff |
| 20:05:21 | sorphin | when you SHOULD |
| 20:05:25 | sorphin | just ask maxim for samples :P |
| 20:05:43 | MonMotha | heh |
| 20:05:47 | MonMotha | true that |
| 20:05:51 | sorphin | taht's what i do |
| 20:06:09 | MonMotha | I really hate to take advantage of a corporation like that... |
| 20:06:10 | MonMotha | check that |
| 20:06:16 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:06:16 | MonMotha | I just used the "c" word, implying evil :) |
| 20:06:25 | sorphin | they giuve samples for a REASON :P |
| 20:06:35 | MonMotha | not like I'm gunna start mass producing these things |
| 20:06:39 | sorphin | it's not taking advancage |
| 20:06:40 | sorphin | nono |
| 20:06:42 | sorphin | get this |
| 20:06:44 | MonMotha | but true |
| 20:06:53 | sorphin | i called a place cuz they had .75 SMT fuses that i needed |
| 20:07:02 | sorphin | i talked to the chick |
| 20:07:07 | sorphin | she asked how many i needed |
| 20:07:08 | sjhill | sorphin: i can't tell the version...*sigh* sorry |
| 20:07:14 | sorphin | i said 2 |
| 20:07:25 | sorphin | she said she'd just send me samples and sent me 4 |
| 20:07:29 | MonMotha | heh |
| 20:07:46 | sorphin | hell |
| 20:07:48 | sorphin | Atmel |
| 20:07:53 | sorphin | sent me 6 flash chips |
| 20:07:58 | sorphin | for tivo Proms |
| 20:08:04 | MonMotha | ah, but did they send you the flash burner? :) |
| 20:08:07 | sorphin | sjhill: nod.. |
| 20:08:12 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. don't need one |
| 20:08:15 | sorphin | it's sw addressable |
| 20:08:20 | MonMotha | ah, nice |
| 20:08:22 | sorphin | wrote a flasher :P |
| 20:08:56 | sorphin | sjhill: could you tell anything at all? |
| 20:08:59 | MonMotha | though for what I burn flash chips for, I need a dedicated unit of some kind (currently I send them off to my friend's office...he owns a small electronics fab shop) |
| 20:09:08 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:09:18 | MonMotha | people give me their BIOS chips that they screwed up one way or another |
| 20:09:26 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:09:29 | sorphin | that's another thing |
| 20:09:32 | sorphin | back a ways back |
| 20:09:37 | sorphin | i had/have an Epox motherboard |
| 20:09:48 | sorphin | MPV3-G |
| 20:09:51 | sjhill | sorphin: not without digging into tivo's sourcecode...i'll have a look around |
| 20:10:00 | sorphin | but i had the 1M bios version |
| 20:10:20 | sorphin | well, i couldn't handle HD's over 33G |
| 20:10:25 | sorphin | so, i mailed epox |
| 20:10:29 | sorphin | they sent me a beta bios |
| 20:10:38 | sorphin | heh, it killed PCI/AGP video |
| 20:10:46 | sorphin | soo... what did they do? |
| 20:10:53 | sorphin | they sent me the 2M bios for free ;) |
| 20:10:57 | MonMotha | heh |
| 20:10:59 | sorphin | but now they charge everyone else |
| 20:11:00 | sorphin | grins |
| 20:11:36 | sorphin | is good like that i guess |
| 20:11:39 | MonMotha | my god...maxim doesn't even charge shipping on their samples |
| 20:11:45 | sorphin | duh |
| 20:11:49 | sorphin | no place does |
| 20:11:55 | sorphin | that i've ever dealt w/ |
| 20:12:05 | MonMotha | I'm amazed they don't at least ask you to pay shipping |
| 20:12:46 | MonMotha | hum...my annual potential purchase volume...that would be 0 |
| 20:13:05 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:13:08 | sorphin | make something up :P |
| 20:13:12 | sorphin | they don't market you |
| 20:14:19 | MonMotha | see, now that's blatent lying |
| 20:14:40 | sorphin | well, no |
| 20:14:50 | sorphin | i didn't put 100 or somehting |
| 20:15:04 | sorphin | actually, i don't remember what i put, hell i mighta put 0 |
| 20:15:23 | MonMotha | heh |
| 20:15:29 | sorphin | this was ages ago |
| 20:16:43 | MonMotha | ouch their site is slow |
| 20:19:03 | sorphin | anyone that wants an Ultra 30 at a decent price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054124158&rd=1 there's 15 of em :P |
| 20:30:38 | trillback | you can get better ones if you wait a while |
| 20:30:47 | trillback | like $250 for same config but 300mhz and with disk |
| 20:31:07 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:31:10 | sorphin | this is 300mhz |
| 20:33:24 | legodude | sorry |
| 20:33:25 | legodude | my bad |
| 20:33:34 | legodude | saw 296 and read it as 250 |
| 20:33:47 | MonMotha | ya know, you gotta give Radio Shack credit for one thing |
| 20:33:51 | MonMotha | dirt cheap soldering gear |
| 20:33:57 | legodude | ja |
| 20:34:47 | sorphin | watching about 10 SunPCI auctions |
| 20:35:44 | sorphin | legodude: i prefer the U5/U2 case, but.. (mainly cuz it'll fit on my rack :P ) |
| 20:36:06 | legodude | sorphin: you can sharkrack the u30 |
| 20:36:11 | legodude | but that's expensive quick |
| 20:36:17 | sorphin | in english :P |
| 20:36:42 | sorphin | legodude: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053632584 that's not as cheap :P |
| 20:36:56 | legodude | http://www.sharkrack.com/SRprod_unitower.html |
| 20:37:11 | legodude | you gotta wait a around |
| 20:37:12 | legodude | it happens |
| 20:37:59 | sorphin | and every time i wait |
| 20:38:02 | sorphin | i miss a good shot |
| 20:38:36 | sorphin | how's this? |
| 20:38:40 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053327839 |
| 20:39:30 | legodude | very nice |
| 20:39:36 | legodude | I like ultra 30 better I think |
| 20:39:41 | legodude | but u2 is still very nice |
| 20:39:44 | sorphin | or |
| 20:39:46 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053587071 |
| 20:40:46 | sorphin | ok, here are 2 30's for 200$ |
| 20:40:59 | sorphin | 4G creator, 128M tho |
| 20:41:09 | legodude | ram is decently cheap |
| 20:41:11 | legodude | and 4gb is enough |
| 20:41:35 | legodude | I got an amazing deal on my U30 back in the day |
| 20:41:42 | legodude | so I don't really follow prices that well any more |
| 20:42:09 | sorphin | well, everyone else (including morn) said to go for that 1st 30 |
| 20:42:26 | legodude | good machine |
| 20:42:29 | legodude | so go for it |
| 20:42:38 | legodude | cause with 15 that's what you'd pay |
| 20:42:48 | legodude | unless shipping is outrageous |
| 20:42:53 | sorphin | w/ 15? |
| 20:43:08 | legodude | wasn't the guy selling 15 of them? |
| 20:43:13 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:43:15 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:43:45 | sorphin | hey, one got bid on *grin* |
| 20:44:18 | sorphin | shipping can't be any worse than my I2 was |
| 20:44:21 | prpplague | or just one 15 times? |
| 20:44:22 | sorphin | that cost me $40 |
| 20:44:38 | sorphin | prpplague: ok file :P |
| 20:44:54 | prpplague | sorphin: no need for insults |
| 20:45:03 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:45:20 | MonMotha | hum, I need an "organization" name... |
| 20:45:29 | sorphin | MonMotha, Inc. |
| 20:46:14 | MonMotha | I'm not incorporated, I like the sound of "Mothic Technologies" better :) |
| 20:46:22 | sorphin | legodude: and yup, this is $40 too |
| 20:46:33 | sorphin | s/M/G/ :P |
| 20:46:59 | MonMotha | I see you picked up the "joke" that's not even the slightest bit funny :) |
| 20:47:36 | prpplague | MonMotha Mon-Synergy |
| 20:48:24 | MonMotha | I still like "Mothic Technologies" |
| 20:48:35 | sorphin | Gothic Technologies :P |
| 20:48:42 | sorphin | you know you're a closet (or not) goth :P |
| 20:48:58 | prpplague | MonMotha: "Mono-nucleuouses, Inc." |
| 20:49:06 | sorphin | prpplague: good one |
| 20:49:26 | prpplague | MonMotha: "at Mono our support is infectious!" |
| 20:49:30 | MonMotha | hum...any other good stuff I should ask from Maxim? |
| 20:49:31 | MonMotha | I get 8 |
| 20:49:38 | scanline | is back (gone 02:23:34) |
| 20:49:44 | sorphin | MonMotha: dunno, |
| 20:49:47 | sorphin | remember |
| 20:49:48 | sorphin | tho |
| 20:49:53 | sorphin | Maxim == Dallas too |
| 20:50:10 | MonMotha | true |
| 20:50:17 | MonMotha | Dallas makes lots of memory, no? |
| 20:50:22 | sorphin | they have 1-wire too |
| 20:50:27 | prpplague | MonMotha: i like some of maxims serial eeproms |
| 20:51:06 | MonMotha | ah yes...serial EEPROMs always fun |
| 20:51:30 | sorphin | legodude: btw |
| 20:51:38 | sorphin | this same seller has sold a bunch like this |
| 20:51:41 | sorphin | at this price approx |
| 20:51:49 | sorphin | legodude: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051943656 |
| 20:52:04 | sorphin | 12 on that page out of 15 |
| 20:52:40 | legodude | pretty good for you then |
| 20:52:49 | sorphin | i shoulda however |
| 20:52:58 | sorphin | gotten that 10000 RPM drive from frys :P |
| 20:53:15 | legodude | I have 10k in mine |
| 20:53:17 | legodude | very nice |
| 20:53:21 | sorphin | think it was 30G? 10000 RPM ultra for $139 |
| 20:53:25 | legodude | but the suns are funky about what they'll boot |
| 20:53:44 | legodude | like it won't boot my 9gb compaq |
| 20:53:47 | legodude | it will install fine |
| 20:53:51 | legodude | but just not boot |
| 20:53:55 | legodude | so I use sun 4gb as stub |
| 20:54:01 | legodude | and then load off of compaq |
| 20:54:13 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:54:17 | sorphin | i have an 18G compaq |
| 20:54:27 | sorphin | and actually |
| 20:54:36 | sorphin | this is a good deal, cuz scsi drives aren't that bad now |
| 20:54:41 | sorphin | but sun memory is still pricey |
| 20:54:55 | legodude | I've got 2x 128mb for sale |
| 20:55:01 | sorphin | how mcuh? |
| 20:55:03 | sorphin | much |
| 20:55:11 | legodude | $80 |
| 20:55:26 | sorphin | how many slots a 30 have? |
| 20:55:31 | legodude | I think 16 |
| 20:55:34 | legodude | ya |
| 20:55:36 | legodude | 4x4 |
| 20:55:36 | sorphin | eesh |
| 20:55:44 | sorphin | so i'll be at 512 |
| 20:56:52 | MonMotha | needs to get a bunch of old SCSI 2 drives |
| 20:57:03 | legodude | me too MonMotha |
| 20:57:07 | legodude | I want new ones too |
| 20:57:09 | legodude | 50pin |
| 20:57:11 | MonMotha | I've got a 3 channel RAID controller |
| 20:57:22 | MonMotha | I can use the HD 68 pin connectors |
| 20:57:30 | MonMotha | though I have an adapter to 50pin |
| 20:57:35 | MonMotha | only one tho |
| 20:57:37 | legodude | then why do you need scsi2? |
| 20:57:40 | legodude | you can use anything then |
| 20:57:47 | MonMotha | legodude: true, SCSI 3 will drop to SCSi 2 |
| 20:58:09 | sorphin | my dual ppro box has 68 pin onboard, but the cdrom is of course 50 pin and the HD is sca |
| 20:58:40 | MonMotha | well, I also have 6 SCA spots, hot swap |
| 20:58:50 | MonMotha | but 4 are taken by 4GB drives |
| 20:59:01 | sorphin | legodude: is it me, or are the compaq drives just... slow |
| 20:59:02 | legodude | problem is that you won't get huge speeds |
| 20:59:04 | MonMotha | the other two have drives, but the drives are dead (overheated as far as I can tell) |
| 20:59:11 | legodude | getting new ide is probably faster and cheaper |
| 20:59:20 | legodude | sorphin: they're rebadged seagates mostly |
| 20:59:28 | sorphin | this thing reads decept |
| 20:59:29 | MonMotha | legodude: true that, I guess I could get some of those IDE to SCSI converters |
| 20:59:32 | sorphin | decent |
| 20:59:35 | sorphin | but has horrible write |
| 20:59:38 | sorphin | no write cache |
| 20:59:40 | legodude | MonMotha: or just get a ide raid card |
| 20:59:43 | legodude | cheaper and better |
| 20:59:47 | legodude | sorphin: strange |
| 20:59:50 | MonMotha | ah, I've got up to 128MB of write cache :) |
| 20:59:51 | legodude | mine has 2mb I think |
| 20:59:54 | sorphin | it was part of an array |
| 21:00:04 | legodude | MonMotha: that's nice, but ide-scsi will still cost you a lot |
| 21:00:06 | MonMotha | it's an old AMI MegaRAID |
| 21:00:16 | legodude | and if it's UW scsi I don't think that'd help as much |
| 21:00:19 | legodude | I don't know for sure though |
| 21:00:27 | MonMotha | it's only Fast Wide |
| 21:00:38 | legodude | ew |
| 21:00:42 | legodude | only 20? |
| 21:00:45 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 21:00:50 | MonMotha | but 3 channels at least |
| 21:00:59 | MonMotha | the controller was designed for capacity, not speed |
| 21:01:07 | legodude | I'd go for ide still |
| 21:01:13 | legodude | unless you get mad cheap scsi disks |
| 21:01:17 | MonMotha | 3 channels with 15 drives each, and a single tiny 33MHz i960 for checksumming |
| 21:01:19 | legodude | even then the heat output is a lot |
| 21:01:38 | legodude | MonMotha: ya, loading the channels that much ain't good for speed |
| 21:01:52 | sorphin | legodude: how can i tell if this thing has cache, scsiinfo is useless, and hdpamr is too |
| 21:02:03 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:02:07 | sorphin | this 18G gets *hot* |
| 21:02:19 | sorphin | so it has a fan sitting on top of it blowing air on it |
| 21:02:21 | legodude | sorphin: mine gets hot too, I just pulled the part number and found it somehow IIRC |
| 21:02:26 | legodude | or some solaris util told me |
| 21:02:45 | sorphin | legodude: Vendor: COMPAQ |
| 21:02:45 | sorphin | Product: DGHS18Y |
| 21:02:45 | sorphin | Revision level: 01C068024A0DGKGSPCQ01C |
| 21:02:58 | legodude | dghs18y is what yo uwant |
| 21:03:33 | MonMotha | are there any spare GPIOs on the tux? |
| 21:03:39 | sorphin | yes |
| 21:04:58 | sorphin | legodude: hmm |
| 21:05:01 | sorphin | from googling |
| 21:05:08 | sorphin | Oct 13 14:58:02 frog /bsd: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <IBM, DGHS18Y SUN18G, 4B54> SCSI3 0/direct fixed |
| 21:05:14 | sorphin | rebranded IBM |
| 21:05:29 | sorphin | and possibly sunable |
| 21:10:05 | legodude | possible |
| 21:10:13 | MonMotha | sunnable :) |
| 21:10:18 | MonMotha | what a fun word |
| 21:10:27 | MonMotha | gotta love proprietary hardware *cough* |
| 21:14:05 | prpplague | MonMotha: ya bout like i love having my gonads in a vise grip |
| 21:16:35 | sorphin | prpplague: obviously, that's why your work on that ibm pos |
| 21:17:02 | legodude | haha |
| 21:17:32 | sorphin | legodude: mind looking over some more links? |
| 21:17:38 | legodude | sure |
| 21:17:44 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, yep, i have to say that was very (! fun ) |
| 21:18:09 | sorphin | legodude: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2053932894 |
| 21:18:09 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054025024 |
| 21:18:09 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054025316 |
| 21:18:09 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054025476 |
| 21:18:09 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054025711 |
| 21:18:10 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054106784 |
| 21:18:12 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054106914 |
| 21:18:14 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054179745 |
| 21:18:14 | legodude | oh jebus |
| 21:18:24 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:18:41 | file | O.o |
| 21:18:54 | legodude | that one is not 33mhz |
| 21:18:58 | legodude | it's either 300 or 400 |
| 21:19:16 | prpplague | sure wish someone would get linux running on this thing - http://www.thinplanet.com/products/specs.asp?f=PRnumber&k=s&v=PR47427 |
| 21:19:38 | legodude | why, you have some prpplague? |
| 21:20:48 | prpplague | legodude: no, but at that price it would make a nice dev platform |
| 21:20:56 | legodude | what's the $? |
| 21:21:15 | sorphin | legodude: i mainly wanted price opinion on all of em.. |
| 21:21:40 | legodude | ? |
| 21:21:44 | MonMotha | maxim's website is hella slow |
| 21:21:53 | legodude | ooh |
| 21:21:53 | prpplague | legodude: $351 USD |
| 21:21:54 | legodude | there it is |
| 21:21:58 | sorphin | legodude: i pasted a buncha urls |
| 21:21:59 | legodude | that's kinda pricy |
| 21:22:07 | legodude | sorphin: ja |
| 21:22:13 | legodude | loves maxim |
| 21:22:38 | prpplague | legodude: $351 is pricey? |
| 21:23:11 | sorphin | oi |
| 21:23:19 | sorphin | one person bought 4 and one 3 |
| 21:23:35 | sorphin | that leaves 8 left.. |
| 21:23:56 | legodude | prpplague: ja |
| 21:23:58 | legodude | I think so |
| 21:24:06 | sorphin | legodude: lemme know what you think of the prices on those sunpcis :) |
| 21:24:30 | prpplague | legodude: IMHO thats pretty cheap |
| 21:24:40 | legodude | no 10/100 |
| 21:24:45 | legodude | sorphin: looks good |
| 21:24:51 | legodude | all of them really |
| 21:24:56 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:25:00 | sorphin | which would you hit up? |
| 21:25:01 | legodude | I'd probably go for the ones that are $30 |
| 21:25:07 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:25:14 | prpplague | legodude: have you priced an arm dev platform lately? |
| 21:25:16 | legodude | put more ram in it for cheap |
| 21:25:26 | legodude | prpplague: video ram sucks too |
| 21:25:33 | legodude | prpplague: nope |
| 21:25:48 | levi | This one looks cooler: http://www.toaei-usa.com/pages/623266/index.htm?gen_time=1030142588920 |
| 21:25:52 | prpplague | legodude: i bet you can't find one under a grand |
| 21:26:25 | sorphin | just barely under $1k |
| 21:26:32 | legodude | http://buy.allamerican.com/atmelmcu.html |
| 21:26:37 | legodude | easy prpplague |
| 21:26:44 | prpplague | legodude: do tell |
| 21:26:54 | legodude | looky link |
| 21:27:49 | legodude | read comp.arch.embedded too |
| 21:27:54 | legodude | they talk about cheap ones there too |
| 21:28:15 | prpplague | legodude: no specs there |
| 21:28:53 | legodude | look www.atmel.com |
| 21:28:58 | legodude | they have datasheets and whatnot |
| 21:29:22 | prpplague | legodude: hmm, i'll have alook |
| 21:31:22 | sorphin | legodude: ROTFL |
| 21:31:27 | sorphin | just noticed on the U30 auction |
| 21:31:30 | sorphin | MSRP: $21,495 (7/15/97) |
| 21:31:44 | legodude | http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk/strngarm.htm |
| 21:31:46 | legodude | check that too prpplague |
| 21:31:54 | legodude | they have different ones |
| 21:31:59 | legodude | sorphin: ja |
| 21:32:09 | legodude | almost all of my machines were >$10k originally |
| 21:32:41 | sorphin | noticed some 5's like mine on ebay, not getting bids... :/ |
| 21:32:41 | prpplague | legodude: ya $730USD is a little high |
| 21:32:56 | sorphin | tho, they didn't have the extra HME and a 10G drive |
| 21:33:13 | MonMotha | you know...all these SO packages are going to be a big pain in the butt for me |
| 21:33:16 | legodude | prpplague: it's a bit lower than that now |
| 21:33:27 | legodude | prpplague: but it is fully support dev platform, with jtag and whatnot |
| 21:33:38 | legodude | wher you wouldn't get support for that windows thing |
| 21:33:44 | prpplague | legodude: atmel doesn't appear to have any info posted on the at90 series |
| 21:34:07 | legodude | http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/prod35.htm |
| 21:34:08 | prpplague | legodude: my own board with 16meg flash and 64meg ram will only be $350USD |
| 21:34:18 | legodude | I don't know what at90 is |
| 21:34:31 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:34:37 | sorphin | microcontroller |
| 21:34:42 | legodude | prpplague: custom board? |
| 21:34:47 | prpplague | legodude: thats the unit you pointed me too |
| 21:34:54 | prpplague | legodude: a custom dev board |
| 21:35:00 | sorphin | the AT90SC is a secure microcontroller |
| 21:35:21 | legodude | prpplague: look at the "order kits" link from the link I just sent you |
| 21:35:23 | sorphin | the 90 series is nice, but hard to get info sometimes.. |
| 21:35:29 | legodude | I think |
| 21:35:29 | legodude | er |
| 21:35:33 | legodude | I'm all confused now |
| 21:35:44 | legodude | you've wedged me |
| 21:35:50 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:36:12 | sorphin | pull your drawers back out and get on w/ it :P |
| 21:36:24 | legodude | where is at90? |
| 21:36:29 | legodude | I see it not |
| 21:36:35 | legodude | in the links I sent you I mean |
| 21:37:43 | sorphin | legodude: noticed the U30 has the same # of slots as the 5... so where's the big advantage w/ it, other than it being scsi instead? |
| 21:37:53 | legodude | sorphin: whatcah mean? |
| 21:37:56 | legodude | u5 has no UPA |
| 21:38:02 | legodude | u30 has 2x |
| 21:38:06 | legodude | u30 has 4x pci |
| 21:38:11 | prpplague | legodude: hmm, those appear to be arm7, no mmu |
| 21:38:12 | legodude | of which I think 3 are 64bit |
| 21:38:13 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:38:24 | sorphin | 1 is 64bit |
| 21:38:30 | sorphin | 3 are 64/32bit |
| 21:38:37 | legodude | ja |
| 21:38:46 | sorphin | 64 bit won't do squat for me tho ;) |
| 21:39:00 | legodude | you gonna use u30 as desktop? |
| 21:39:00 | sorphin | what else :P |
| 21:39:11 | sorphin | srver mainly |
| 21:39:16 | legodude | u30 uses cheaper ram |
| 21:39:22 | sorphin | than a 5? |
| 21:39:28 | legodude | for server you get better build quality, cheaper ram, and scsi |
| 21:39:36 | legodude | sorphin: it used to be mad cheaper |
| 21:39:40 | legodude | I don't know if it is any more |
| 21:39:48 | sorphin | hell, the ram, my SS20and classic use hard to get ram :P |
| 21:39:57 | legodude | u30 uses ss20 ram |
| 21:40:04 | MonMotha | I really hate to mooch off business like this :) |
| 21:40:14 | sorphin | MonMotha: shoosh and submit |
| 21:40:23 | legodude | loves maxim free parts |
| 21:40:29 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:40:36 | MonMotha | seems to be the consensus in here |
| 21:40:41 | MonMotha | need to call up Motorola too :) |
| 21:40:45 | legodude | they've got me as a loyal customer if I ever need any parts they supply |
| 21:40:45 | sorphin | well duh |
| 21:40:47 | sorphin | tis free |
| 21:40:54 | sorphin | legodude: ditto |
| 21:40:57 | legodude | I gotta get my fencing on now |
| 21:40:59 | legodude | seeya all |
| 21:41:05 | MonMotha | hey, I've used Maxim stuff before...nice parts |
| 21:41:11 | MonMotha | I've just bought them in the past :) |
| 21:41:14 | sorphin | they send me things every month talking about new parts and giving me a sample form |
| 21:42:03 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:42:05 | MonMotha | what's it take to get on that list? :) |
| 21:42:11 | sorphin | you'll be on it soon |
| 21:42:25 | MonMotha | no doubt :) |
| 21:42:28 | MonMotha | not that I mind |
| 21:42:29 | sorphin | once you get yoru samples |
| 21:42:42 | sorphin | atmel was slow, but got me my samples |
| 21:42:53 | sorphin | i also got samples from.. Tyco twice |
| 21:43:02 | MonMotha | ever done Motorola? |
| 21:43:15 | sorphin | no, but i'm signed up w/ em |
| 21:44:15 | MonMotha | welp, I guess I'll get my chips later |
| 21:44:44 | MonMotha | be nice to have dead tree copies of the ref guides, rather than these darned PDFs |
| 21:44:49 | sorphin | atmel was the slowest.. maxim was pretty quick |
| 21:44:55 | sorphin | yeah |
| 21:44:57 | MonMotha | cool |
| 21:45:41 | MonMotha | any suggestions on wire for this? old CAT5 seems to fit pretty well... |
| 21:46:33 | sorphin | that'll work good enough if you have it |
| 21:49:04 | MonMotha | you know how much old cat5 I've got? :) |
| 21:49:17 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:49:20 | file | wonders if he'll need some more CAT5 come Friday |
| 21:49:22 | sorphin | works for the jtag crap too |
| 21:49:32 | | ACTION file: no |
| 21:49:32 | sorphin | ibot: tell file |
| 21:49:41 | file | sorphin: your right, as always |
| 21:49:43 | prpplague | legodude: thanks for the info, i'll have a look |
| 21:49:56 | sorphin | ha |
| 21:50:01 | sorphin | interesting |
| 21:50:04 | sorphin | i paid 259 |
| 21:50:15 | MonMotha | yep, building a JTAG, ShanIP2, and second serial port :) |
| 21:50:21 | sorphin | one paid 260 for 4 one paid 259 for 3 and one just paid 270 for 1 |
| 21:50:21 | MonMotha | all on a breadboard |
| 21:50:22 | sorphin | weird |
| 21:51:36 | prpplague | later guys |
| 21:53:07 | jidar | anybody in here get imwheel to work? |
| 21:58:51 | MonMotha | the tux has a wheel? |
| 22:00:30 | jidar | lol |
| 22:00:45 | jidar | its completly not involving #tuxscreen |
| 22:01:34 | CosmicPenguin | looks for a wheel on my tuxscreen |
| 22:02:09 | jidar | so what exactally is tuxscreen? |
| 22:03:08 | MonMotha | http://www.tuxscreen.net |
| 22:03:13 | MonMotha | one heck of a phone :) |
| 22:03:27 | | tuxscreen is http://TuxScreen.net/ order at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker and http://tuxscreen.net/scrapbook/images.html or #TuxScreen |
| 22:03:27 | MonMotha | ibot tuxscreen? |
| 22:03:46 | | okay, MonMotha. |
| 22:03:46 | MonMotha | ibot: tuxscreen is also sold out |
| 22:16:37 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 22:34:30 | Russ|werk | cool, I think I fixed my device table support for mkcramfs |
| 22:34:38 | Russ|werk | /s/>/</ |
| 22:34:39 | Russ|werk | er |
| 22:34:41 | Russ|werk | s/>/</ |
| 22:35:06 | file | hey Russ |
| 22:41:50 | sorphin | wtf is "imwheel" ? |
| 22:46:06 | sorphin | sup scan |
| 22:54:39 | sorphin | if we could figure out the driver version of the bcm driver on the S2 |
| 22:54:41 | jidar | heh |
| 22:54:49 | sorphin | ignore that.. |
| 22:54:50 | jidar | imwheel is a wheelmouse utility for linux |
| 22:54:54 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:55:02 | sorphin | well, this isn't a general channel ;) |
| 22:55:03 | jidar | the writter of the proggie sits in here |
| 22:55:13 | jidar | so i was hopeing somebody knew him, or what he was working on |
| 22:55:14 | sorphin | and who's that? |
| 22:55:23 | jidar | LIM|Away |
| 22:55:53 | sorphin | ahh.. |
| 22:55:57 | sorphin | he never talks here.. |
| 22:56:10 | sorphin | | LIM|Away (~jcatki@pcp624235pcs.mainf01.in.comcast.net) (Internic Network) |
| 22:56:10 | sorphin | : ircname : Jon Atkins |
| 22:56:11 | sorphin | | channels : #c++ #sdl @#imwheel #gltron #tuxscreen |
| 22:56:11 | file | yes he does |
| 22:56:17 | file | he helped me with my PPPoE problem |
| 22:56:26 | sorphin | file: heh, when was this? 5 months ago? |
| 22:56:36 | file | sorphin: yesterday |
| 22:56:41 | sorphin | rephrases.. he doesn't talk *that much* :P |
| 22:56:50 | sorphin | prolly talks more in the above channels |
| 22:57:08 | file | yup |
| 23:05:23 | | I haven't seen 'LIM|Away', BZFlag |
| 23:05:23 | BZFlag | ibot: seen LIM|Away |
| 23:05:29 | | LIM was last seen on #tuxscreen 17 hours, 44 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: heh [Mon Sep 16 06:21:09 2002] |
| 23:05:29 | BZFlag | ibot: seen LIM |
| 23:05:40 | BZFlag | or perhaps just when you are asleep? |
| 23:05:59 | sorphin | well, i do have scrollback and don't log out |
| 23:06:09 | sorphin | corrected himself to "often" |
| 23:17:07 | Russ|werk | who was it that I sent mkcramfs.c to? |
| 23:18:01 | sorphin | don't remember, mighta been prp.. |