| 07:55:37 | scanline | is away: ZzzZzzZzzzzz.... |
| 12:15:57 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:34:02 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 14:57:10) |
| 13:34:22 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 13:35:06 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 13:35:16 | prpplague | sjhill: more uclibc fun today? |
| 13:35:35 | sjhill | prpplague: oh yes...it's kind of like that song... |
| 13:35:53 | sjhill | "it's the song that never it ends....it goes on and on and on....it's the song that..." well, you get the idea |
| 14:19:26 | prpplague | sjhill: i kinda envy you, atleast you get to deal with some really interesting dev stuff, portable data collection and POS is starting to get old...... |
| 15:40:21 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-09-10 16:15:31 | Intel to Build DRM into Next-Generation CPUs | Macs Won't Boot Into Mac OS 9 in 2003 | Essential Blogging | Europe Net Users Now Outnumber US/Canada |
| 15:40:21 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:45:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: howdy |
| 15:45:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows life at censoft? |
| 15:46:04 | prpplague | sjhill: you got linux running on any of the mips based inventory control terminals? |
| 15:46:17 | sjhill | prpplague: ? |
| 15:46:31 | sjhill | prpplague: i didn't even know MIPS based terminals existed? |
| 15:46:54 | prpplague | sjhill: ya there are a few from intermec and symbol |
| 15:47:02 | prpplague | sjhill: IIRC |
| 15:47:17 | sjhill | oh |
| 15:47:26 | sjhill | nope, but if you give me one i could :) |
| 15:48:12 | prpplague | sjhill: http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_pen_touch_ppt_273x.html |
| 15:56:15 | scanline | is back (gone 08:00:39) |
| 16:18:27 | sjhill | prpplague: cute little guy |
| 16:19:41 | prpplague | sjhill: ya, but the $4k price tag sucks |
| 16:19:55 | sjhill | falls over |
| 16:23:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: busy |
| 16:23:52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: those symbol devices are regular POS... and I don't mean point of sale |
| 16:24:02 | CosmicPenguin | v..e..r..y...s..l..o..w |
| 16:25:18 | scanline | heh |
| 16:25:22 | scanline | how much CPU? |
| 16:25:46 | scanline | ack.. it's "windows powered"? |
| 16:32:23 | scanline | enters "windows powered" in the oxymoron contest alongside "microsoft works" |
| 16:37:07 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: they run windows CE - but last I heard, somebody was trying to stick XP embedded on them |
| 16:37:08 | CosmicPenguin | shudders |
| 16:37:51 | scanline | yeick! |
| 16:38:02 | scanline | they want to make them even slower eh? |
| 17:02:54 | scanline | hi andersee |
| 17:10:15 | andersee | scanline: morning |
| 18:11:06 | prpplague | anyone here got a dual pcmcia sleave for the ipaq? |
| 18:13:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sorry man |
| 18:14:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, i hate rush jobs |
| 18:14:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the boss is want 50 handhelds that have 802.11b and barcode scanners under $1k by next week |
| 18:15:42 | CosmicPenguin | uhhh...... |
| 18:15:58 | CosmicPenguin | right boss.... *wink* |
| 18:16:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya thats what i said |
| 18:20:00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you also offer to have your thin client software ported to I64 around the same time? |
| 18:20:13 | CosmicPenguin | or perhaps you can debug Windows XP |
| 18:20:27 | Russ|werk | $20 handhelds? |
| 18:20:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, well, i can use off the shelf stuff, i can get an ipaq with a dual pcmcia slot, 802.11b card and a barcode scanner card |
| 18:21:14 | sjhill | suggests 2x4 applied to head of boss |
| 18:22:06 | prpplague | sjhill: ya well, welcome to my world, its like that cdw commercial "ok folks do we have any more unreasonable requests for the IT department?" |
| 18:22:20 | sjhill | lo |
| 18:22:21 | sjhill | l |
| 18:22:53 | Russ|werk | adds up to a lot more than $1k |
| 18:22:57 | Russ|werk | more than 10k |
| 18:23:11 | kergoth | Russ|werk: probably means 1k a piece |
| 18:24:42 | Russ|werk | oh, ok, thats sensible |
| 18:28:16 | prpplague | $400 for the ipaq, $79 for 802.11b ,$129 for the scanner, and $150 for the sleeve |
| 18:48:04 | prpplague | this is freakin crazy, the cheapest rf handheld terminal i've found so far is $1900 |
| 18:49:13 | CosmicPenguin | marketing code: if (buzword == rf || buzword == handheld) price += 1000; |
| 18:50:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no shit..... |
| 18:50:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we need to make something for this market |
| 18:54:10 | scanline | I thought I'd seen something like that at linuxdevices... handheld, with wireless and barcode... |
| 18:55:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no doubt |
| 19:22:51 | prpplague | scanline: hmm, i'll look |
| 19:24:29 | scanline | prpplague: there's one in the handhelds section that has builtin barcode and seems to be designed for POS stuff.. no 802.11b but it has a PCMCIA slot. No mention of price though |
| 19:24:56 | CosmicPenguin | make em an offer |
| 19:27:16 | scanline | could be clunky.. 33mHz 386, uses OpenGUI |
| 19:27:25 | prpplague | scanline: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4520490885.html |
| 19:27:30 | scanline | says Microwindows wasn't fast enough...? |
| 19:27:44 | scanline | prpplague: ah yea, that's it |
| 19:27:54 | prpplague | scanline: ya they want around $3k for that |
| 19:27:59 | scanline | ick |
| 19:33:35 | Russ|werk | maybe that gnuradio stuff would help? |
| 19:33:47 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:37:21 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit - they should have used Picogui... |
| 19:37:40 | scanline | hehe.. instead of OpenGUI? |
| 19:38:03 | scanline | I've only looked at OpenGUI a little... didn't look that useful though |
| 19:38:24 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows wasn't fast enough..... a pox on them |
| 19:38:44 | scanline | the only advantage OpenGUI has is that it's graphics engine is almost entirely x86 ASM |
| 19:38:49 | scanline | which isn't an advantage on ARM... |
| 19:39:35 | scanline | I was reading the code hoping that its graphics engine could be reused in picogui, but the code was so messy I gave up |
| 19:43:36 | prpplague | scanline: i don't why if you have 802.11 and a barcode scanner the price is astronomical, even when the components are cheap |
| 19:44:18 | scanline | kinda like how CPUs are expensive even though silicon is cheap ;) |
| 19:45:19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its all about the buzzwords, I'm telling you. Its same reason why Java is so expensive |
| 19:45:52 | prpplague | scanline: more like, you can buy a pc without a soundcard for $500 and you can buy a sound card for $100 but if you buy a pc with a sound card it $3000 |
| 19:46:01 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:46:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well its just plain frustrating |
| 19:46:56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no doubt |
| 19:48:16 | CosmicPenguin | Its not often that the current fad is actually something that real geeks use too |
| 19:57:27 | file | I've got ADSL! |
| 19:57:35 | scanline | file: yay! |
| 19:57:51 | file | well |
| 19:57:58 | file | the kit will come next week the guy said |
| 19:58:36 | scanline | heh.. so you don't really have ADSL |
| 20:00:33 | file | well |
| 20:00:34 | sjhill | putz |
| 20:00:36 | file | it's coming |
| 20:03:41 | file | is happy |
| 20:10:13 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:45:26 | prpplague | as_: evening |
| 20:50:24 | as_ | prp :] |
| 21:04:29 | prpplague | anyone know something about a intel developer forum annoucing some sort of new xscale product yesterday? |
| 21:04:48 | signal11 | adding palladium support? |
| 21:07:07 | prpplague | hmm, well one of my suppliers said there was a big annoucement from intel yesterday about some new xscale product in san jose |
| 21:09:37 | prpplague | hmm, seems there is an "intel developers forum" going on in san jose this week |
| 21:56:55 | scanline | is away: pseudofood-substances of DOOM |
| 22:36:09 | scanline | is back (gone 00:39:13) |
| 23:09:28 | prpplague | jacques: dude, how goes it? |
| 23:09:39 | prpplague | jacques: haven't seen ya around in a while |
| 23:10:52 | jacques | hi prpplague :-) |
| 23:15:49 | prpplague | jacques: still hacking toolchains? |
| 23:35:23 | prpplague | BZFlag: howdy dude |
| 23:35:40 | prpplague | BZFlag: how's the CTO today? |
| 23:39:05 | jacques | prpplague: sorry for delay (am at work) I havent done any toolchain stuff since andersee's toolchains became stable |
| 23:39:48 | prpplague | jacques: ahh |
| 23:40:07 | file | waves to prpplague |
| 23:40:16 | prpplague | jacques: so whats the on your plate lately? |
| 23:41:38 | jacques | prpplague: lately I have been trying out gentoo linux - am thinking it might be interesting to make a gentoo micro-dist for ARM |
| 23:41:56 | jacques | prpplague: they currently support x86 and PPC, so it would not be totally trivial |
| 23:42:22 | jacques | I would have to make a new base install and work out lots of patches |
| 23:42:59 | prpplague | jacques: hmm, diffentialy a way to learn the in/outs of arm |
| 23:44:20 | jacques | prpplague: gentoo is a dist where everything is compiled on the local system, so it's a lot like buildroot, except native |
| 23:44:25 | jacques | :-\ |
| 23:46:12 | jacques | prpplague: gentoo is a dist where everything is compiled on the local system, so it's a lot like buildroot, except native |
| 23:47:22 | prpplague | jacques: right, but none the less there will be problems, and problems always lead to learning |
| 23:47:41 | file | does the happy dance |
| 23:47:57 | jacques | prpplague: definitely |
| 23:48:07 | jacques | hi file, what's up? |
| 23:48:16 | file | jacques : my happiness |
| 23:48:21 | file | jacques : I ordered broadband! |
| 23:49:44 | file | time for the upgrade eh scanline? |
| 23:54:26 | file | 'j09n |
| 23:54:28 | file | arg |
| 23:55:37 | jacques | file: congrats! :-) |
| 23:55:47 | file | :) |
| 23:55:54 | file | I have to wait for my router to arrive however |
| 23:56:19 | file | mmm |
| 23:56:27 | file | I'm on chapter 00100111 of my book |
| 23:56:36 | file | (39) |
| 23:58:00 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 23:58:00 | jacques | ibot: convert 00100111 from binary to decimal |
| 23:59:19 | file | :) |
| 23:59:38 | BZFlag | jacques: it broken but it should be: |
| 23:59:49 | | 1.37924606898877e+55 |
| 23:59:49 | BZFlag | ibot: bin2dec 00100111 |
| 23:59:55 | jacques | LOL |