| 00:03:38 | MonMotha | hum, any suggestions for soldering on the tux? I'm not very experienced at soldering things this small... |
| 00:03:47 | MonMotha | probably should get some old boards to practice on |
| 00:03:58 | bhima | use a fine tipped iron with fine solder and good eyes. |
| 00:05:20 | MonMotha | heh, the good eyes I have (should get out the magnifier thing), though I guess I should probably shell out for a fine tipped iron |
| 00:05:31 | MonMotha | that's one thing radio shack does have cheap: soldering ironsw |
| 00:05:43 | sorphin | and don't forget |
| 00:05:43 | sorphin | flux |
| 00:05:46 | sorphin | plenty of flux |
| 00:05:55 | bhima | practice. buy a cheap rat shaft board and work with it. |
| 00:07:17 | MonMotha | rat shaft? |
| 00:07:48 | bhima | yes. |
| 00:07:50 | MonMotha | hum...maybe I could work out a deal with my friend who just happens to own a small electronics assembly shop |
| 00:07:54 | bhima | the place that sells chepa soldering irons. |
| 00:07:58 | MonMotha | they probably have all the equipment I need |
| 00:08:04 | MonMotha | ah yes |
| 00:08:11 | MonMotha | I've built a few of their kits before |
| 00:08:13 | bhima | oh. if you are uncomfortable with it after looking at it, I would definitely ask somebody else. |
| 00:08:24 | MonMotha | but those are much larger pinouts than the tux |
| 00:08:35 | sorphin | nah |
| 00:08:35 | bhima | what modification are you doing? |
| 00:08:39 | MonMotha | bhima: shanip |
| 00:08:45 | MonMotha | shanip2 that is |
| 00:09:15 | bhima | ahh. I was thinking of flashunlock, which is easier. |
| 00:09:15 | MonMotha | was also thinking of doing the second serial port mod while I was at it |
| 00:09:15 | sorphin | taht's not that bad |
| 00:09:15 | file | mmm |
| 00:09:18 | MonMotha | oh I've got the flash unlocked |
| 00:09:25 | MonMotha | though I need to solder a JTAG on while I'm in there |
| 00:09:31 | bhima | has soldered SOIPs himself. using a magnifier and a _good_ iron. |
| 00:09:32 | MonMotha | jsut in case |
| 00:09:36 | bhima | and inspected by microscope. |
| 00:09:41 | bhima | misses that aspect of that job. |
| 00:10:00 | sorphin | as long as you use lotsa flux |
| 00:10:05 | MonMotha | heh |
| 00:10:08 | sorphin | you decrease the risk |
| 00:10:08 | MonMotha | doesn't own any flux :) |
| 00:10:13 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:10:13 | sorphin | RS |
| 00:10:16 | bhima | I have flux. |
| 00:10:16 | sorphin | :P |
| 00:10:17 | MonMotha | yeah I know |
| 00:10:21 | bhima | it's inside the core of my solder. |
| 00:10:22 | MonMotha | I'll stop by there tomorrow |
| 00:10:31 | bhima | never used anything else. |
| 00:10:34 | MonMotha | yeah, my solder is cored too |
| 00:10:45 | bhima | actually, that's a lie. |
| 00:10:47 | MonMotha | but it's a bit big for me to work with here I think |
| 00:10:49 | bhima | I did use flux for pipe soldering. |
| 00:10:51 | sorphin | well, this doesn't hurt ;p |
| 00:10:57 | MonMotha | heh, I have done that too |
| 00:11:06 | MonMotha | it's a bit different than fine electronics work :) |
| 00:11:10 | bhima | hint: don't try to solder copper pipes with oxy-acetyline if you are inexperienced. |
| 00:11:19 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:11:22 | bhima | Why is the solder dripping? why isn't it wicking? |
| 00:11:27 | MonMotha | I have no idea what kind of torch these guys had |
| 00:11:30 | bhima | oh, that's what it is. I'm melting the copper. |
| 00:11:34 | MonMotha | was fairly cool though |
| 00:11:39 | MonMotha | (cool as in temp wise) |
| 00:11:42 | sorphin | generally uses a propane torch for pipes ;p |
| 00:11:50 | bhima | didn't have propane. |
| 00:11:58 | sorphin | oxy-acet is too damn hot for copper pipes ;p |
| 00:12:09 | sorphin | it's meant for WELDING |
| 00:12:11 | sorphin | or braising |
| 00:12:12 | bhima | I need to finish cutting a lock off for a friend. |
| 00:12:15 | MonMotha | isn't oxy-acetyline what they use for cutting? |
| 00:12:27 | bhima | I also cut a bike in half with it. |
| 00:12:42 | bhima | next summer, when they warn students to remove all their old bikes or theywill cut the locks... |
| 00:12:49 | MonMotha | heh |
| 00:12:55 | MonMotha | oh that's mean |
| 00:12:57 | bhima | I am brazing a bike back together, intertwined with the bike lock. |
| 00:13:09 | sorphin | MonMotha: yes it is |
| 00:13:19 | sorphin | you just have to use the right "tip" |
| 00:13:28 | sorphin | for thick cutting.. |
| 00:13:31 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 00:13:40 | MonMotha | got the Plumbing merit badge back in the boy scouts |
| 00:14:51 | sjhill | hey sorphin |
| 00:15:01 | sorphin | allo sj |
| 00:15:51 | sorphin | since i don't know what else to call you ;) |
| 00:16:45 | sjhill | sorphin: opinions vary :) |
| 00:17:12 | bhima | so, should I get dynamat-clone stuff alone for making my trunk silent, or do I need mass loaded sheeting as well/in addition...? |
| 00:17:40 | sorphin | just the clone stuff |
| 00:18:01 | sorphin | you're not putting it on your plastic outside panels :P |
| 00:18:18 | bhima | oh, wow, the price is more different than I thought. 54"x32" for $12.79 dynaclone, or 54"x12" for $8.16 |
| 00:18:24 | bhima | misread at first and thought it was per foot for each. |
| 00:18:49 | bhima | there is a reasonable chance I may put some on my door panels at some point. |
| 00:19:16 | sorphin | even there |
| 00:19:22 | sorphin | it's not on the _outside_ panel |
| 00:19:41 | bhima | err. I was thinking of putting it on the outside plastic panel :) |
| 00:20:30 | sorphin | you put it on the frame between the outside and inside panels ;p |
| 00:20:49 | bhima | ok. wasn't sure. haven't seen the interior properly. |
| 00:21:12 | sorphin | well |
| 00:21:19 | sorphin | your speaker is attached to *something* ;) |
| 00:23:57 | bhima | uses The Force. |
| 00:26:12 | bhima | "I don't think you can ever have too much dynamat of any form in a saturn..." says this installer. |
| 00:26:31 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:27:43 | bhima | 4 cans of v-block. |
| 00:28:20 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:30:17 | bhima | bbl. |
| 00:56:35 | scanline | sits amazed at the spiffy screenshot he just took |
| 01:34:43 | bmidgley | scanline: what's the sshot? |
| 01:39:34 | scanline | bmidgley: http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=80 |
| 02:13:50 | switchcat | greetings |
| 02:14:35 | AeroSpace | hi |
| 08:30:23 | scanline | is away: ZzzzZzZzzzz.... |
| 08:37:30 | scanline | is back (gone 00:07:07) |
| 08:44:46 | sorphin | scanline: make up your mind ;) |
| 08:45:07 | scanline | sorphin: easier said than done |
| 08:45:29 | sorphin | true |
| 08:49:15 | scanline | oy... I'm getting tired of #zaurus |
| 08:49:30 | scanline | all these people working on embedded systems, using non-embedded stuff... |
| 08:49:53 | scanline | bloaty c++ libraries, glibc.... |
| 08:50:01 | scanline | and now people saying busybox isn't necessary, just use all GNU tools |
| 08:50:03 | scanline | yick |
| 08:58:07 | | andersee was last seen on #uclibc 12 hours, 7 seconds ago, saying: sjhill: care to do a 'cvs up' and try again? [Tue Sep 3 21:58:00 2002] |
| 08:58:07 | scanline | ibot: seen andersee? |
| 09:03:14 | | file was last seen on #tuxscreen 8 hours, 53 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: mmm [Wed Sep 4 01:09:15 2002] |
| 09:03:14 | scanline | ibot: seen file? |
| 09:03:18 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 34 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: thatll make it easy [Wed Sep 4 03:29:06 2002] |
| 09:03:18 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 09:05:54 | scanline | waves near mallum |
| 09:06:16 | mallum | hey scanline |
| 09:06:21 | mallum | how picogui going ? |
| 09:06:58 | scanline | pretty good.. I might have a release soon :) |
| 09:16:02 | file | awakens |
| 09:16:11 | scanline | tickles file |
| 09:16:27 | file | does nothing as he's not fully awake |
| 09:17:47 | file | scanline: hwat's up? |
| 09:17:55 | file | er what's |
| 09:17:59 | scanline | i dunno... |
| 09:18:07 | | Replacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3 |
| 09:18:07 | scanline | ibot: what's up? |
| 09:18:12 | scanline | there |
| 09:18:58 | file | ic |
| 09:21:13 | file | curses |
| 09:21:18 | file | forgot to get this form signed... |
| 09:22:19 | scanline | finds bugs |
| 09:22:42 | scanline | needs coding music... |
| 09:22:43 | file | squash them! |
| 09:22:53 | file | scanline: Coding to Music *G* |
| 09:23:11 | scanline | =) |
| 09:23:54 | file | leaves in half an hour |
| 09:24:03 | scanline | runs some python code through figlet |
| 09:25:53 | scanline | ____ |
| 09:25:53 | scanline | __ _ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ _ _ __ / /\ \ |
| 09:25:53 | scanline | / _` | '_ \| '_ \ | '__| | | | '_ \| | | | |
| 09:25:53 | scanline | | (_| | |_) | |_) || | | |_| | | | | | | | |
| 09:25:54 | scanline | \__,_| .__/| .__(_)_| \__,_|_| |_| | | | |
| 09:25:54 | scanline | |_| |_| \_\/_/ |
| 09:26:11 | file | thinks scanline is going crazy again |
| 09:26:15 | scanline | of course I am :P |
| 09:26:41 | scanline | oh no, I used a semicolon! C is infiltrating my python code! |
| 09:26:47 | file | lol |
| 09:27:13 | scanline | one line had a semicolon at the end.. so 1/7 of this program was contaminated |
| 09:27:29 | file | there's only 7 lines? |
| 09:27:31 | scanline | yep :) |
| 09:27:36 | file | ...ok |
| 09:27:46 | scanline | hehe, it's just a little test proggie |
| 09:27:54 | file | which you can't even get right!!!! |
| 09:27:57 | scanline | the stuff I'm debugging is like 1500 lines of C :P |
| 09:28:19 | scanline | the python code is just to set up the test... |
| 09:28:34 | file | good for it |
| 09:28:40 | scanline | uh huh |
| 10:12:30 | scanline | throws a coffee sandwich at file |
| 10:49:48 | scanline | morning Sammy |
| 11:30:07 | Nermal_Work | ew |
| 11:40:52 | sorphin | scanline: no huge ascii text graphics :P |
| 11:41:07 | scanline | sorry, I was bored... |
| 11:42:30 | sorphin | try sleep ;) i heard it's this new thing they discovered.. *grin* |
| 11:42:43 | scanline | can't sleep, cosplayers will eat me! |
| 11:42:50 | scanline | anyway, you have nothing to fear.. I'm coding now |
| 11:54:08 | scanline | is away: Breakfast, it's what's for dinner. |
| 11:57:40 | sorphin | um.. cosplayers ? |
| 12:27:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:33:51) |
| 12:41:50 | sjhill | okay, how do i bring a file out of the CVS Attic? |
| 12:50:17 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 14:17:53) |
| 12:50:22 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 13:49:51 | sorphin | eek! it's the busybox! |
| 13:50:55 | prpplague | codepoet->busybox |
| 13:51:08 | andersee | morning all |
| 13:54:40 | sorphin | Segmentation Violation |
| 13:54:58 | Nermal_Work | nice |
| 14:07:08 | andersee | sorphin: Would you quit violating your segments! |
| 14:07:32 | prpplague | andersee: you dealt any with ibm on their open source initiatives? |
| 14:07:40 | sorphin | andersee: it wasn't me, it was busybox |
| 14:08:20 | andersee | prpplague: only slightly... |
| 14:08:25 | andersee | sorphin: details? |
| 14:08:50 | sorphin | andersee: i'm kidding (this time) |
| 14:09:01 | sorphin | tho, i haven't tried your latest tree ;) |
| 14:09:12 | sorphin | only the tree you had me test when i 1st talked to you about it |
| 14:09:14 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:09:22 | andersee | sorphin: :-) |
| 14:09:33 | andersee | sorphin: that alledged vi problem? |
| 14:09:48 | prpplague | andersee: i'm getting a hellofa run around on opensource drivers for these POS stations |
| 14:09:55 | sorphin | andersee: um.. that wasn't me |
| 14:10:19 | sorphin | andersee: my prob was more like anything busybox was broke ;p |
| 14:10:38 | andersee | sorphin: Hmm. Didn't see that one. :) |
| 14:10:53 | sorphin | even ls didn't work right ;) |
| 14:11:05 | sorphin | however when compiled against glibc it worked, so ok, i take it bakc |
| 14:11:11 | sorphin | it was uclibc+busybox |
| 14:11:37 | andersee | sorphin: Tried updating uClibc? Its gotten better... |
| 14:12:23 | sorphin | yeah, when you had me use the latest uclibc snap, it worked.. it was the one from in may/june that was bad for me.. (and i didn't know you back then, else i coulda yelled then ;) ) |
| 14:19:57 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 14:34:44 | scanline | is back (gone 00:14:47) |
| 15:46:49 | scanline | is away: class |
| 16:07:10 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:20) |
| 19:35:57 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I have officially lost all motivation |
| 19:36:59 | sorphin | amazing |
| 19:45:17 | Nermal | lol |
| 19:48:34 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i'll do you a favor and not help in re-motivating you...please continue goofing off |
| 19:49:02 | sorphin | sjhill: ah, you're awake ;) |
| 19:49:16 | sorphin | digs out his broadcom question ;) |
| 19:49:19 | sjhill | yup... |
| 19:49:57 | sorphin | does your encoder do audio too? (in the tivo series 2, the sony encoder they used onl ydid hte video, somehwo they did the audio some other way).. |
| 19:50:03 | sorphin | they do it at 32khz |
| 19:50:12 | sorphin | fscking wants 44 |
| 19:50:44 | sorphin | so i can use the thing as an 'inline real time mpeg encoder' (since it's available).. |
| 19:51:10 | sorphin | the S2 would be better since, well, better chips (and i can actually ask questions ;) ) |
| 19:53:47 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: we're thinking about using a Broadcom secure processor of some sort.... |
| 19:54:07 | sjhill | ah yes, the SSL and other crypto stuff |
| 19:54:28 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: how fast does it run, do you know? |
| 19:54:39 | sjhill | sorphin: i have no idea dude, i know that there is audio codec stuff in the BRCM chip |
| 19:54:50 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: Gigabit speeds |
| 19:55:01 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: hmmm.... |
| 19:55:04 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: it's pretty fast |
| 19:56:06 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: thats cool... I heard it had a ton of security features - wherein if it ever lost power or got probed, it would just burn up |
| 19:56:55 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:56:57 | CosmicPenguin | will probably be using lots of broadcom stuff in the very near future - catv tuners and such |
| 19:56:59 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: wasn't aware of that...i started trying to keep up with all the documents as they were updated on a daily basis...it got a bit overwhelming |
| 19:57:34 | sorphin | sjhill: how good are you at asm? :) |
| 19:57:35 | prpplague | andersee: hey i need to ask a quick bb question |
| 19:57:49 | sorphin | covers his ears and lalalas at the bb question ;) |
| 19:58:26 | prpplague | andersee: when you do a ps using the bb you get a column with a stat, what does the S and R stand for? |
| 19:58:28 | sjhill | sorphin: mmm, i can hold my own |
| 19:59:01 | sorphin | i was thinking of tossing you the binary of their driver, see if you saw anything that looked like what i'd need to change.. |
| 20:01:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I tried to parse that sentence, but I segfaultexd |
| 20:01:58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 20:02:15 | sorphin | Sleeping |
| 20:02:17 | sorphin | Running |
| 20:02:27 | CosmicPenguin | if you were to say that to a person on the street, they would have you committed |
| 20:02:28 | sorphin | just like normal ps |
| 20:02:35 | andersee | prpplague: S==sleeping R=running |
| 20:02:42 | sorphin | as i just said ;) |
| 20:02:53 | sorphin | it's the same as any other ps ;) |
| 20:03:46 | andersee | I've been meaning to addin PU and %MEM for a couple of years. I finally added vmsize a few months back... |
| 20:04:01 | andersee | s/PU/PU/ |
| 20:04:03 | andersee | s/PU/%CPU/ |
| 20:04:08 | andersee | grr |
| 20:04:24 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:04:30 | prpplague | ok, thanks, thats what i thought, but i was getting conflict info |
| 20:04:38 | sorphin | from? |
| 20:04:58 | prpplague | sorphin: other application, stinkin ibm binary only app |
| 20:05:03 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:29:15 | | BZFlag was last seen on #zaurus 19 hours, 1 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: don't know. [Wed Sep 4 02:28:08 2002] |
| 20:29:15 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 20:41:02 | sorphin | haha |
| 20:41:13 | sorphin | that VeriSign may lose their ability to sell domains. |
| 20:41:16 | sorphin | good riddance |
| 21:04:39 | prpplague | god i love ibm apps, looks like they were touching a .ibmpos file in the dir where the app started and setting it to suid root |
| 21:04:49 | sorphin | haha |
| 21:05:32 | prpplague | which is a big problem for me since the dir was ro and i don't have a root user! |
| 21:05:41 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:13:51 | prpplague | sorphin: i feel so dirty dealing with ibm, here they are spouting opensource reteric, and i've spent all day dealing with binary drivers for linux with almost no docs |
| 21:14:02 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:14:23 | sorphin | turns the hose on your (and hopefully shorts some pos's out ;) ) |
| 21:26:42 | CosmicPenguin | Its always sad to see a soul being crushed |
| 21:26:59 | file | quite right |
| 21:45:40 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:14:37 | CosmicPenguin | must... go... home... work... on.... tuxscreen... |
| 22:15:13 | Nermal | heh |
| 22:15:50 | CosmicPenguin | coming soon to a desktop near you - a new and improved microwindows with a new window manager (I hope) |
| 22:15:56 | CosmicPenguin | is away: home |
| 22:27:43 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:27:49 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 22:42:51 | Russ|werk | I thhink either my kernel, or mobo is b0rked |
| 22:43:05 | Russ|werk | the cclock keeps jumpping beetween two vallues |