| 01:07:21 | file | wb andersee |
| 01:10:48 | andersee | thx |
| 01:12:30 | andersee | is away: looking for food |
| 01:34:52 | andersee | is back (gone 00:22:21) |
| 01:37:37 | CosmicPenguin | hello hello |
| 01:41:33 | Aelhaz | hello hello hello |
| 01:46:35 | andersee | hello hello hello hello |
| 02:17:25 | CosmicPenguin | How is everyone |
| 02:17:29 | CosmicPenguin | ?? |
| 02:19:08 | trillback | great CosmicPenguin |
| 02:19:19 | trillback | just got back from a date with the gf |
| 04:48:00 | switchcat | greetings |
| 07:48:49 | Nermal_Work | lo mallum |
| 07:48:52 | Nermal_Work | sleeve arrived :) |
| 07:49:30 | mallum | Nermal_Work: phew !!! |
| 07:59:51 | sorphin | prepares to destroy^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hupgrade X.. |
| 09:47:45 | Nermal_Work | mallum: cash the cheque anytime :) |
| 09:54:19 | mallum | Nermal_Work: okey dokey |
| 10:03:39 | sorphin | ah.. much better, nice fast GL throughput now :) |
| 10:52:10 | mallum | sorphin: dri working ? |
| 11:49:39 | sorphin | mallum: aye |
| 11:49:52 | file | locating delivery man... not found |
| 11:52:48 | sorphin | file: give it up already ;p |
| 11:52:55 | file | sorphin: nah |
| 11:53:03 | file | I suspect he'll come today with my Linux box :) |
| 11:53:11 | sorphin | is bored w/ hearing you whining about the post man :P |
| 11:53:13 | file | unless prpplague put a high amount on the customs papers |
| 11:53:43 | file | sorphin: :) |
| 11:54:36 | mallum | sorphin: what card you using ? |
| 11:55:20 | file | waves to mallum |
| 11:55:25 | mallum | hey file |
| 11:55:33 | file | mallum: how are you? |
| 11:58:21 | file | quiet? ic. |
| 11:58:48 | mallum | file: yeah, at work :( |
| 11:58:51 | sorphin | mallum: i reinstalled mesa the other day (well, installed), and the performance on gears was horrid for what it should be for my nvidia.. and i didn't have 'glxgears'.. |
| 11:58:58 | file | mallum: that sux |
| 11:59:17 | mallum | sorphin: ewe yuck eveil nvidia card :( |
| 11:59:19 | sorphin | so i decided to upgrade X finally to 4.1, and it happens to have more proper mesa libs for working w/ the glx |
| 11:59:35 | sorphin | heh, no, not eww |
| 11:59:44 | sorphin | glxgears in a normal window is |
| 11:59:44 | sorphin | 696FPS, full screen is 66FPS :) |
| 12:00:50 | sorphin | which is quite tolerable for a GF256 :P |
| 12:01:07 | file | continues his wait and irritates sorphin some more |
| 12:01:32 | sorphin | is getting ready to leave for work in a few, file, so you're wasting your time ;) |
| 12:01:36 | file | sorphin: ok! |
| 12:02:46 | mallum | sorphin: X will start randomly crashing now thanks to crap in binary only nvidia drivers :( |
| 12:03:54 | sorphin | mallum: not here |
| 12:03:56 | sorphin | it never has |
| 12:04:48 | sorphin | has yet to have a prob w/ the linux nvidia drivers |
| 12:05:24 | file | sneezes on sorphin |
| 12:05:47 | sorphin | throws file a doggy biscuit and leaves for work |
| 12:05:56 | file | bye! |
| 12:36:35 | file | waves to sjhill |
| 12:37:06 | sjhill | hi file |
| 12:42:26 | file | what's up? |
| 12:42:43 | sjhill | 2-1/2 hours and then it's off to the airport to go home |
| 12:45:21 | file | ic |
| 12:45:25 | file | good luc |
| 12:45:27 | file | er luck |
| 12:48:21 | sjhill | thx |
| 13:07:54 | sorphin | sjhill: while you're in the air, drop those specs off ;) |
| 13:07:58 | sorphin | grins |
| 13:08:16 | file | and a bomb |
| 13:08:22 | sorphin | file: shaddup twit |
| 13:08:32 | file | thwaps sorphin |
| 13:08:43 | file | sorphin: where is the delivery guy!!!!!!!! |
| 13:09:00 | Nermal_Work | no wlan ? |
| 13:09:04 | sorphin | calls file's local post office and tells them to just toss any mail that file should be getting |
| 13:09:22 | file | Nermal_Work : I'm on it now |
| 13:09:22 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: now he's whining about some linux box |
| 13:09:22 | Nermal_Work | lol |
| 13:09:48 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: he's a canuck pudwhacker, that only whines about hardware now showing up that he begs ppl for ;p |
| 13:09:48 | file | it was sent last Monday... |
| 13:09:54 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:10:02 | file | hey! I bought my WLAN kit! |
| 13:10:12 | sorphin | file: did you BUY this linux box? |
| 13:10:13 | sorphin | no |
| 13:10:20 | sorphin | i bet you didn't |
| 13:10:23 | file | neither did mallum :p |
| 13:10:26 | Nermal_Work | hang on ... file == lilo ? |
| 13:10:30 | Nermal_Work | does a whois |
| 13:10:45 | sorphin | file: and have you seen mallum WHINING daily about it not showing up? |
| 13:10:56 | Nermal_Work | I did :) |
| 13:10:58 | file | maybe *G* |
| 13:10:58 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: he might as well |
| 13:11:13 | sorphin | Nermal_Work: +be |
| 13:11:27 | Nermal_Work | mallum: fyi, the post stamp said the 23rd... so looks like the post office may have lost it until friday, or something |
| 13:11:45 | sorphin | file [GlobalNotice]: I'm a whiner, gimme $, gimme hardware! |
| 13:11:49 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:11:56 | file | I don't ask for money |
| 13:12:00 | sorphin | file: yet |
| 13:12:10 | file | I don't plan on anything till next summer |
| 13:12:10 | sorphin | you're on your way to becoming lilo ;) |
| 13:13:45 | file | I'd kill myself first :p |
| 13:14:02 | sorphin | passes the grenade ;p |
| 13:14:14 | sjhill | sorphin: bah, sorry, no specs...but i'll answer questions :) |
| 13:14:15 | sorphin | might as well go out w/ a band ;p |
| 13:14:22 | sorphin | bang too |
| 13:14:33 | sorphin | sjhill: even if i sign an nda? :P |
| 13:15:04 | sjhill | sorphin: that's probably what it would take, yeah |
| 13:15:09 | sorphin | sjhill: not like what i want em for is going anywhere but my own private code |
| 13:19:50 | file | mmm |
| 13:20:00 | file | should go make food soon |
| 13:21:51 | file | offers sorphin some |
| 13:28:40 | sorphin | has his own now, but thanks |
| 13:29:33 | sorphin | allo julie |
| 13:29:37 | Morn | hi |
| 13:31:02 | ComicPenguin | is back (gone 15:38:01) |
| 13:31:27 | sorphin | oh cute |
| 13:31:28 | sorphin | E-Mail Forwarding Patented, PTO Sued |
| 13:36:17 | Nermal_Work | yah |
| 13:49:15 | ComicPenguin | prpplague: how are the pina coladas today? |
| 13:49:33 | prpplague | ComicPenguin: ?, you change nicks? |
| 13:49:42 | prpplague | ComicPenguin: stress full |
| 13:49:43 | ComicPenguin | nuts.... I didn't even see that |
| 13:49:51 | CosmicPenguin | mmm..... better |
| 13:49:52 | prpplague | ComicPenguin: second store came up this morning |
| 13:50:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: as long as it works, right |
| 13:50:13 | sorphin | hehe |
| 13:50:19 | sorphin | well, sometimes you are a comic ;) |
| 13:50:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the nick or the store? |
| 13:51:56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the store - I assume no major issues |
| 13:52:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you didn't let the blue smoke out of any POS stations or anything, right? |
| 13:52:15 | sorphin | other than his produce problem yesterday |
| 13:52:22 | prpplague | naw, nothing too bad, just ibm crap as usual |
| 13:52:53 | prpplague | POS display bar at the first store is like pdb4683-002 and the ones at this store at pdb4683-004 |
| 13:53:04 | CosmicPenguin | Sad - it appears that the next major galeon release will be for gnome 2 |
| 13:53:10 | prpplague | well the 02's don't need a CR and the 04's do |
| 13:53:10 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't want to upgrade to gnome2 |
| 13:53:36 | sorphin | prpplague: ? |
| 13:53:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: same ol, same ol... :) |
| 13:54:38 | file | sighs |
| 13:55:10 | file | oh here comes my friend... |
| 13:55:31 | sorphin | file: you mean your dad? |
| 13:55:34 | file | no |
| 13:55:41 | CosmicPenguin | has a vision of the postman hiding behind the bushes at file's house, sneaking in lest he be noticed |
| 13:56:11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: lest file humps hte postman's leg ;p |
| 13:56:22 | sjhill | lol |
| 13:56:27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: lest file shreak in joy and smotherthe guy |
| 13:56:28 | file | brb |
| 13:59:13 | sorphin | sjhill: looks like your chip can do PIP too? |
| 14:01:12 | sjhill | sorphin: yup |
| 14:01:18 | prpplague | sjhill: which chip is that |
| 14:01:33 | sorphin | prpplague: the bcom chips that are i nthe series 2 tivo ;) |
| 14:01:42 | sjhill | prpplague: BCM7030...our MPEG2 decoder w/every multimedia thing you could imagine |
| 14:01:42 | sorphin | the 7030 and 7040 |
| 14:01:56 | sjhill | i love our 7320 |
| 14:02:14 | file | prpplague: you must be kidding... please be kidding |
| 14:02:15 | sjhill | it's a MIPS r5kc processor + 7030 in one chip... |
| 14:02:31 | sorphin | that's.. sick ;) |
| 14:02:55 | sjhill | it's our single chip settop box solution...it rocks |
| 14:03:05 | sorphin | prpplague: careful, i think file's on a leg search |
| 14:03:08 | prpplague | sjhill: sounds interesting |
| 14:03:26 | prpplague | sjhill: whats the target audience |
| 14:03:26 | sjhill | laughs some more |
| 14:03:57 | sjhill | prpplague: settop box manufacturers....we have settop boxes in the labs from every consumer eletronics manufacturer you can name |
| 14:04:27 | sorphin | sjhill: ah, the perils of making a decent chip ;) |
| 14:04:30 | sjhill | national semiconductor, thomsom, conexant...bah, they're crap compared to ours |
| 14:04:46 | sjhill | i'm not just talking biased either |
| 14:04:49 | sorphin | sjhill: um.. thomson is garbage anyways |
| 14:04:49 | prpplague | sjhill: they are crap comparied to a z80a |
| 14:04:57 | sorphin | prpplague: good point |
| 14:05:46 | sorphin | sjhill: maybe i should tour bcom when i'm out in the bay area next month ;) |
| 14:06:27 | file | prpplague: did mallum's get returned? |
| 14:06:45 | sorphin | file: use /m |
| 14:06:53 | file | sorphin: bah |
| 14:08:24 | sjhill | prepares for shipment of his SWARM board |
| 14:08:44 | file | prpplague_ : problems? |
| 14:09:13 | sorphin | sjhill: swarm ? |
| 14:09:18 | sjhill | giggles |
| 14:10:33 | sjhill | sorphin: SB1250A - > (2) 650MHz MIPS V instruction set processors (2) DDR memory controllers, 64-bit PCI, Hypertransport bus all in one chip -> ~6-12W power consumption |
| 14:11:03 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:11:04 | Nermal_Work | nice :) |
| 14:11:09 | sorphin | overpriced i'm sure ;) |
| 14:11:10 | sjhill | it is way fscking cool....fast |
| 14:11:24 | sjhill | sorphin: PCI development board = $8K |
| 14:11:30 | sjhill | the chips are about $700 |
| 14:11:39 | sorphin | heh, i see broadcom has a few diff offices ;p |
| 14:11:48 | sjhill | oh yes |
| 14:11:57 | sorphin | none here tho ;p |
| 14:12:01 | sorphin | bastards ;) |
| 14:12:20 | sorphin | tho, i suppose i could be a lazy sod and telecommute ;) |
| 14:12:53 | sjhill | sorphin: unfortunately they're not hiring :/ |
| 14:13:28 | sorphin | yeah they are |
| 14:13:34 | sorphin | just gotta find the right location |
| 14:13:53 | sorphin | middletown is hiring (still looking) |
| 14:14:12 | sorphin | irvine is hiring |
| 14:14:42 | sorphin | raleigh |
| 14:14:48 | sorphin | tho it's sales, so blech |
| 14:15:02 | sorphin | san diego is hiring for firmware work |
| 14:15:11 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:15:14 | sorphin | san jose is hiring |
| 14:15:32 | sjhill | well, the positions may be there, but i haven't seen anyone come on board in months |
| 14:15:39 | sorphin | Broadcom Corporation |
| 14:15:40 | sorphin | Revised 8-22-2002 |
| 14:15:51 | sjhill | looks also |
| 14:15:56 | sorphin | maybe just haven't found ppl qualified |
| 14:16:28 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 14:16:34 | sorphin | the sunnyvale jobs are funny |
| 14:16:43 | sjhill | heh....yeah yeah |
| 14:16:44 | sorphin | Modem Test Engineer |
| 14:16:52 | sorphin | Windows Application Test |
| 14:17:18 | sorphin | toss all the modem/windows jobs |
| 14:17:22 | sorphin | the RF is decent |
| 14:17:43 | sorphin | knows some rf, being a ham and all |
| 14:17:58 | sjhill | is a ham too, n8fii |
| 14:18:05 | sorphin | kb0olz |
| 14:18:11 | sjhill | i got my general class license when i was 12 |
| 14:18:26 | sorphin | won't even ask how old you are then ;p |
| 14:18:32 | sjhill | 31 |
| 14:18:38 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:18:45 | sorphin | didn't get his tech till 1994 |
| 14:19:34 | sorphin | hasn't been on the air in a few years tho.. which sucks |
| 14:19:55 | prpplague_ | sjhill: i'd like to play with some mips stuff, but i'm still diving into arm, but that chip sounds darn cool |
| 14:20:35 | sjhill | prpplague_: it is...that's my play project that i work on when i'm sick of doing uclibc, kernel and toolchain crap |
| 14:20:46 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:21:12 | sorphin | i still wanna grab the R5k outta my S2 and put it in my I2 ;p |
| 14:21:34 | sjhill | S2? |
| 14:21:39 | sorphin | the 5432 beats that poor lil 4400 ;p |
| 14:21:47 | sorphin | series 2 tivo |
| 14:22:07 | file | and now my friend is gone |
| 14:22:17 | sjhill | ah |
| 14:22:27 | file | so I can torment you some more sorphin |
| 14:22:38 | sjhill | just a sec', gonna switch network ports |
| 14:22:42 | sorphin | sjhill: k |
| 14:23:02 | sorphin | Russ: mornin |
| 14:23:25 | Russ | morning |
| 14:23:27 | file | waves to Russ |
| 14:23:46 | sjhill | am i still on line? |
| 14:23:47 | sjhill | ? |
| 14:23:47 | sjhill | looks like it |
| 14:23:54 | sorphin | yes |
| 14:24:09 | sorphin | sjhill: as long as *you* don't type anything while unconnected |
| 14:24:12 | sorphin | you won't drop |
| 14:24:27 | sjhill | ah |
| 14:24:29 | sorphin | could drop his dsl right now |
| 14:24:48 | sorphin | leave it down for 15 mins or so |
| 14:24:53 | sorphin | bring it back up |
| 14:24:55 | sorphin | hit enter here |
| 14:24:58 | sorphin | and still be on |
| 14:25:11 | sorphin | as long as there's no 'keepalives' in use |
| 14:25:19 | sorphin | the connections idle |
| 14:25:29 | sorphin | anyways |
| 14:26:09 | sorphin | sjhill: i'm thinking another reason tivo went w/ your chips this time around, is they're planning on doing more multimedia crap |
| 14:26:23 | sorphin | Real stuff, and other assorting tv cluttering crap |
| 14:26:24 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:26:44 | sorphin | and since they're multimedia in a chip chips |
| 14:28:36 | sjhill | the source code for Real is horendous |
| 14:28:48 | file | uh huhs to sorphin |
| 14:29:01 | file | Bob Barker, can I have a 9? |
| 14:29:07 | file | <Bob> No you may not. |
| 14:29:49 | file | becomes tempted to drag the laptop to the kitchen table |
| 14:30:55 | sjhill | leaves for a few minutes to return some hardware |
| 14:32:21 | file | hehe |
| 14:35:19 | sorphin | sjhill: i told you not to buy that thing at compusa ;p |
| 14:35:21 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:36:19 | Russ | wonders if that occasional beeping is a harddrive |
| 14:37:16 | sorphin | turns the beeping up |
| 14:37:41 | Russ | considers unpluging the pc speaker |
| 14:37:50 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:38:17 | sorphin | only time i ever hear anything out of mine, is when wibble overheated a couple times and did the siren sound |
| 14:43:34 | sorphin | allo mr cto |
| 14:44:15 | BZFlag | yello |
| 14:44:30 | sorphin | mello ;) |
| 14:45:05 | sjhill | sorphin: heh |
| 14:45:11 | sorphin | sjhill: :) |
| 14:45:40 | sjhill | it was a borrowed swarm board...mine is being shipped later today |
| 14:45:46 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:46:02 | sjhill | hi BZFlag |
| 14:47:01 | sorphin | heh, now i *realy* get it |
| 14:47:12 | sorphin | just looked at the (C) for the bzflag game |
| 14:47:13 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:47:19 | sorphin | well what do you know |
| 14:47:21 | sorphin | tim riker ;p |
| 14:47:31 | sjhill | yup ;) |
| 14:48:31 | sorphin | i still like old school Battlezone |
| 14:48:37 | sorphin | w/ the wire tanks |
| 14:48:56 | sjhill | sorphin: i loved that game in the arcade |
| 14:49:19 | sjhill | smash tv is another favorite...i almost bought the standup arcade game a while back |
| 14:49:26 | sorphin | nother game i miss |
| 14:49:33 | sorphin | but haven't seen in 30000000000 years |
| 14:49:40 | sorphin | is artic fox |
| 14:49:52 | sorphin | arctic fox even |
| 14:52:13 | sorphin | Russ: no more bad debian dependancies ;) |
| 14:52:57 | sorphin | ya know, i feel kinda stupid after last night.. i didn't realize, that when you have circular dependancies |
| 14:53:07 | sorphin | just dpkg -i both packages at the same damn time |
| 14:53:23 | sorphin | and they'll cancel the probs since it sees both at the same time |
| 15:02:54 | Russ | sorphin: ya, apt-get takes care of that too |
| 15:03:46 | sorphin | yeah, it wanted to remove 100 packages tho :P and it didn't need to |
| 15:06:00 | sorphin | dpkg -C has no complaints, but yet apt-get wants to remove all that stuff, i'm more apt to believe dpkg (no pun intended) |
| 15:06:22 | Russ | apt-get install <package> <package apt wants to remove> |
| 15:06:58 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:07:00 | sorphin | *100 :P |
| 15:07:06 | Russ | just one of them |
| 15:07:19 | sjhill | zips off to the airport....cu guys in a couple of days Lord willing |
| 15:07:29 | sorphin | cua, safe flight |
| 15:07:35 | Russ | the lord wants you to irc |
| 15:07:45 | Russ | s/wants/bids/ |
| 15:07:58 | sorphin | Russ: why only 1? |
| 15:09:26 | Russ | should tell you what the conflict is then |
| 15:21:49 | sorphin | Russ: isn't happening |
| 15:21:55 | sorphin | if i do: |
| 15:21:59 | sorphin | say |
| 15:22:09 | sorphin | apt-get install galeon alien |
| 15:22:22 | sorphin | it tells what's wrong w/ galeon even tho i don't even have galeon |
| 15:22:39 | sorphin | it just let me upgrade alien w/ no probs, but it still wants to remove it |
| 15:29:25 | sorphin | andersee: go back to bed |
| 15:34:31 | andersee | hehe |
| 15:34:33 | andersee | Just woke up |
| 15:36:16 | sorphin | too bad ;) |
| 15:41:07 | andersee | indeed |
| 15:41:22 | andersee | sleeping all day sounds very nice right now |
| 15:45:09 | sorphin | yup |
| 15:48:03 | Russ|werk | sorphin: what does it say when you do apt-get install galeon alien? |
| 15:48:12 | sorphin | flood :P : |
| 15:48:19 | andersee | Morning Russ|werk |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | docbook-xml esound-common galeon-common gconf gdk-imlib2 gnome-bin |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | gnome-libs-data gnome-mime-data imlib-base libart2 libaudiofile0 |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | libcdparanoia0 libdb3 libesd0 libgconf11 libglade-gnome0 libglade0 |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | libgnome-vfs-common libgnome-vfs0 libgnome32 libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 |
| 15:48:26 | sorphin | libgnorba27 libgnorbagtk0 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common libnspr4 liboaf0 |
| 15:48:28 | sorphin | liborbit0 libpopt0 libscrollkeeper0 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libxml1 libxml2 |
| 15:48:30 | sorphin | libxslt1 mozilla-browser oaf scrollkeeper sgml-base sgml-data |
| 15:48:32 | sorphin | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:48:34 | sorphin | alien esound rpm |
| 15:48:36 | sorphin | then repeat of the 1st group of packages |
| 15:48:40 | sorphin | erm |
| 15:48:44 | sorphin | scratch that |
| 15:48:49 | sorphin | that's w/ just galeon |
| 15:48:54 | sorphin | if i do galeon alien |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | [root@giga ~]# apt-get install galeon alien |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | Sorry, alien is already the newest version. |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 15:49:12 | sorphin | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 15:49:14 | sorphin | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 15:49:16 | sorphin | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 15:49:18 | sorphin | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 15:49:20 | sorphin | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:49:22 | sorphin | galeon: Depends: libgconf11 (>= 1.0.7) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:49:24 | sorphin | Depends: libgnome-vfs0 (>= 1.0.3-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:49:26 | sorphin | Depends: liboaf0 (>= 0.6.10) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:49:28 | sorphin | Depends: libpopt0 (>= 1.6.2-1) but 1.5-0.1 is to be installed |
| 15:49:30 | sorphin | Depends: oaf (>= 0.6.10) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:49:32 | sorphin | Depends: galeon-common (= 1.2.5-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:49:34 | sorphin | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 15:49:45 | Russ|werk | are you running unstable? |
| 15:49:51 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:50:10 | sorphin | and apt-get queries unstable too |
| 15:50:35 | Russ|werk | have you done a dist-upgrade recently? |
| 15:50:54 | sorphin | um, no |
| 15:51:08 | sorphin | has upgraded some things tho |
| 15:51:12 | andersee | Russ|werk: mind if I change udhcpd to eliminate all use of sys_errlist[] and use strerror() instead? |
| 15:51:19 | sorphin | and i did just upgrade alien ;p |
| 15:51:26 | sorphin | and it upgraded fine |
| 15:51:31 | Russ|werk | ok, try this apt-get install alien galeon libpopt0 |
| 15:51:38 | andersee | Russ|werk: uClibc 0.9.15 is losing sys_errlist[]? |
| 15:51:49 | Russ|werk | andersee: not that I know of |
| 15:51:53 | andersee | Russ|werk: and udhcpd uses it |
| 15:51:58 | Russ|werk | andersee: I haven't used 0.9.15 yet |
| 15:52:08 | andersee | I know. I've not released it yet... |
| 15:52:13 | Russ|werk | andersee: so that wasn't a question? |
| 15:52:21 | sorphin | Russ: there we go |
| 15:52:22 | andersee | right. Sorry about the '?' |
| 15:52:33 | Russ|werk | why is sys_errlist[] going away? |
| 15:52:44 | sorphin | it upgraded alien, even tho there's a too old of version of RPM on here |
| 15:52:51 | sorphin | which it shouldn't have |
| 15:52:56 | Russ|werk | sorphin: why not apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:53:18 | sorphin | Russ: because i don't want it thrashing everything ;) |
| 15:53:31 | Russ|werk | why would that thrash everything? |
| 15:53:54 | andersee | Russ|werk: because sys_errlist is not in SuSv3, not in ISO/IEC 9899:1999, not in IEEE 1003.1b-1993, etc.... It is simply not in any standard anywhere. Noone should ever have used it and the time has come for its use to finally die. |
| 15:54:09 | Russ|werk | andersee: so what should I use |
| 15:54:16 | sorphin | i have things that aren't packages, like mozilla for example, it'll install it's own :P and trash my setup.. hell, when i upgraded X, it trashed my X setup :P |
| 15:54:23 | andersee | Russ|werk: it is also preventing us from doing cool things with locales... |
| 15:54:29 | Russ|werk | sorphin: dumbass :) |
| 15:54:38 | sorphin | Russ: eh? |
| 15:54:50 | andersee | Russ|werk: change 'syserrlist[errnum]' to 'strerror(errnum)' |
| 15:55:10 | sorphin | ya know, this is another stupid thing |
| 15:55:11 | Russ|werk | sorphin: XF86 4.2 has been available for months, and there is a package called mozilla-browser-snapshot |
| 15:55:19 | sorphin | now has libdb2 |
| 15:55:20 | sorphin | 3 |
| 15:55:22 | sorphin | and 4 |
| 15:55:23 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:55:28 | sorphin | Russ: um... |
| 15:55:37 | sorphin | Russ: unstable wouldn't evne upgrade me to 4.1 :P |
| 15:55:41 | sorphin | i had to do that MANUALLY |
| 15:55:49 | sorphin | unstable only had 4.0.2 |
| 15:55:53 | Russ|werk | sorphin: I know |
| 15:55:57 | sorphin | i had to pull 4.1 from the pool |
| 15:55:59 | Russ|werk | sorphin: the XSF has 4.2 |
| 15:56:20 | sorphin | Russ: XSF ? |
| 15:56:24 | Russ|werk | x strike force |
| 15:56:30 | sorphin | wtf is taht? |
| 15:57:02 | Russ|werk | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 15:57:29 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:58:53 | sorphin | i find it absurd that galeon requires 34 packages to be installed to work (including moz) |
| 15:59:26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: then install dillo instead and quit griping |
| 15:59:37 | sorphin | coss: wtf is that? |
| 15:59:49 | sorphin | -s |
| 16:00:34 | andersee | Russ|werk: Would you like to make that fix to udhcpd, or shall I? Either way, it should happen today, since uClibc 0.9.15 is going out this afternoon, and w/o it buildroot won't build. |
| 16:00:42 | sorphin | nevermind, i don't wanna know |
| 16:01:51 | Russ|werk | sorphin: apt-get install dillo |
| 16:02:07 | Russ|werk | andersee: committing now |
| 16:02:12 | andersee | k, thx |
| 16:02:12 | sorphin | i'm looking at what it is 1st :P |
| 16:02:16 | Russ|werk | andersee: but you are going to have a lot of problems with other software |
| 16:02:18 | sorphin | isn't blindly apt-get installing |
| 16:02:24 | Russ|werk | just do it |
| 16:02:42 | andersee | Russ|werk: possibly... |
| 16:02:45 | sorphin | heh, i'm at work atm, so it wouldn't do any good till i got home anyways |
| 16:03:08 | Russ|werk | sorphin: apt-cache show dillo |
| 16:03:21 | sorphin | grins, i'm looking at the page ;) |
| 16:03:28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you didn't write this did you? ;p |
| 16:03:32 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:12:23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nope |
| 16:13:18 | sorphin | stopes griping and just stick w/ bloatzilla ;p cuz i do, unfortunately, still need some javascript (tho minimal), and windowblinds is nice for ad removal.. |
| 16:13:48 | Russ|werk | sorphin: whats wrong with galeon? |
| 16:14:07 | Russ|werk | the way you screwed up debian? |
| 16:14:52 | Russ|werk | I wish mozilla was as fast as dillo |
| 16:15:06 | sorphin | no, the fact that i need 50 other libraries *just* for galeon |
| 16:15:18 | Russ|werk | so, whats wrong with that? |
| 16:15:39 | sorphin | it's clutter :P |
| 16:15:50 | sorphin | that's worse than a windows program that has 50 dlls :P |
| 16:16:06 | sorphin | just to print a window on your screen |
| 16:16:38 | Russ|werk | mozilla has similar stuff, probably in a greater number, but its built into mozilla |
| 16:16:44 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 16:16:53 | sorphin | wtf does it need libcdparanoia for? |
| 16:17:02 | mallum | sorphin: apt-get install galeon-snapshot ;) |
| 16:17:09 | sorphin | and this scrollkeeper thing |
| 16:17:13 | sorphin | and sgml :P |
| 16:17:16 | Russ|werk | mallum: I think thats suffering from libpng3 issues atm |
| 16:17:23 | sorphin | and docbook-xml :P |
| 16:17:38 | sorphin | and *2* versions of libxml :P |
| 16:17:44 | sorphin | good grief |
| 16:18:01 | file | returns from doing the dishes |
| 16:18:08 | sorphin | hell, the 4 versions i have of libdb are pathetic enough ;p |
| 16:18:09 | mallum | Russ|werk: I had it working the other day, but then it got removed in some 'serves you right for runn ing experimental feed' type upgrade |
| 16:18:43 | mallum | sorphin: scrollkeeprer + xml etc are for the gnome doco |
| 16:18:43 | Russ|werk | mallum: should recompile any day now,I think its waiting on mozilla-browser-snapshot, which is similarly screwed |
| 16:18:54 | sorphin | mallum: in nother words |
| 16:19:06 | sorphin | mallum: cruft that isn't *needed* to run galeon |
| 16:19:11 | mallum | Russ|werk: what was the png3 issue ? |
| 16:19:18 | Russ|werk | sorphin: I found the problem |
| 16:19:21 | sorphin | but cruft they wanna stuff on your system to tie up space |
| 16:19:32 | sorphin | Russ: ? |
| 16:19:32 | Russ|werk | sorphin: galeon-common, for whatever reason, depends on galeon-nautilus |
| 16:19:38 | Russ|werk | which, is a bad idea imho |
| 16:19:41 | mallum | sorphin: maybe try skipstone on summin ( never used it myself ) |
| 16:20:20 | sorphin | or, i could just say sod it, and ignore dependancies as usual, and vi /var/lib/dpkg/status ;) |
| 16:20:43 | sorphin | doesn't need gnome docs |
| 16:21:23 | mallum | sorphin: you run the evil binary nvidia drivers so your systems gonna die at some point anyway ;) |
| 16:21:29 | sorphin | tell me what galeon *needs* and i'll install it ;) |
| 16:21:33 | sorphin | mallum: no it won't |
| 16:21:40 | sorphin | i've never had a driver crash |
| 16:22:07 | sorphin | mallum: and besides, i kinda need those drivers, since it IS an nvidia card ;p |
| 16:22:32 | Russ|werk | sorphin: apt-cache show galeon |
| 16:22:34 | Russ|werk | sorphin: apt-cache show galeon-common |
| 16:22:43 | sorphin | Russ: k |
| 16:23:03 | Russ|werk | er |
| 16:23:04 | Russ|werk | nm |
| 16:23:10 | Russ|werk | Depends: scrollkeeper (>= 0.3.6), galeon | galeon-nautilus, debconf, gconf |
| 16:23:45 | sorphin | why, praytell |
| 16:23:53 | sorphin | does a browswer need an audio lib? :P |
| 16:24:07 | Russ|werk | play sounds |
| 16:24:11 | sorphin | ugh |
| 16:24:12 | sorphin | no |
| 16:24:31 | sorphin | it's bad enough if i wander onto someone's page and they have embedded music or midi |
| 16:24:34 | sorphin | gags |
| 16:24:49 | sorphin | that's not a webpage ;p |
| 16:25:14 | Russ|werk | then don't wander there |
| 16:25:17 | sorphin | oh, you were right about seamless glibc upgrade tho ;p |
| 16:25:27 | sorphin | Russ: heh, i don't know it TILL i wander tehre :P |
| 16:25:53 | Russ|werk | oh, btw, if you want to find libraries that you probably don't need anymore |
| 16:25:59 | Russ|werk | use deborphan |
| 16:26:18 | sorphin | tnx |
| 16:26:25 | Russ|werk | (emphasis on the probably) |
| 16:26:39 | Russ|werk | deborphan shows me libglibe3, which I need for dri on my banshee |
| 16:26:45 | sorphin | actually just got into using apt months ago |
| 16:26:52 | sorphin | so ehnce my slowness on it ;p |
| 16:27:26 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 16:27:39 | sorphin | it sure was quick |
| 16:28:06 | sorphin | least it's mostly right |
| 16:29:02 | file | sits back and watches the conversation |
| 16:31:54 | file | Russ|werk : what'cha doing next for a device? |
| 16:32:46 | Russ|werk | sa1100->sa1110+other bga parts. I also want to see if I can get a cheap pci bus going |
| 16:32:57 | Russ|werk | using MBREQ/MBGNT |
| 16:33:24 | file | ic |
| 16:38:05 | file | Russ|werk: what'cha making out of it? |
| 16:38:24 | Russ|werk | some thing, internet firewall/router |
| 16:38:44 | Russ|werk | using pci with dma would be much faster and cheaper than using the cs8900a chips though |
| 16:39:02 | file | uh huh |
| 16:39:17 | file | I meant for a development community |
| 16:39:57 | Russ|werk | I need to finish up the camion, but I think prpplague is the only other person with one |
| 16:40:29 | file | your probably right |
| 16:42:29 | file | sneezes |
| 16:43:45 | sorphin | doesn't even know what one is ;) |
| 16:48:52 | | prpplague_: what? |
| 16:48:52 | prpplague_ | ibot: buildroot system |
| 16:49:11 | prpplague_ | BZFlag: hey, have you got a url for buildroot info? |
| 16:57:58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague_: what do you mean? |
| 17:00:53 | prpplague_ | CosmicPenguin: just a place that has a skeleton buildroot and some info... |
| 17:01:39 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't andersee have some on uclibc.org? |
| 17:01:58 | CosmicPenguin | is away: mmm.... lunch? |
| 17:02:11 | prpplague_ | CosmicPenguin: hmm, will look |
| 17:02:44 | sorphin | prpplague_: lemme know if you find any.. |
| 17:02:55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 17:03:16 | sorphin | or better yet, ask the monster himself ;) |
| 17:04:13 | prpplague_ | andersee: buildroot infor url? |
| 17:04:32 | prpplague_ | andersee: want to see if there was a buildroot skeleton somewhere... |
| 17:05:38 | Russ|werk | grr...my uni got lazy and dropped all their RBL stuff |
| 17:05:44 | Russ|werk | the spam is pouring in |
| 17:05:48 | sorphin | andersee: russ: doh |
| 17:05:51 | sorphin | grr |
| 17:05:59 | sorphin | Russ: roh |
| 17:06:02 | sorphin | doh even |
| 17:06:04 | sorphin | bah |
| 17:06:18 | sorphin | Russ: that's why i ended up w/ spamassassin ;) |
| 17:06:32 | sorphin | so much spam hits my network now, it's not even funny |
| 17:06:52 | sorphin | heh, just looking at the exim error log of all the people that try and relay off of me, is pathetic |
| 17:07:15 | andersee | prpplague_: There is a buildroot in CVS on uclibc.org |
| 17:07:45 | andersee | prpplague_: And of course, the tuxscreen one can be easily made non-tuxscreen specific |
| 17:08:11 | file | cookie monster! |
| 17:08:41 | sorphin | makes file's cookies out of C4 |
| 17:09:14 | file | mmm... C4 |
| 17:09:20 | file | gives sorphin a C64 |
| 17:09:32 | prpplague_ | andersee: hmm, lack of sleep must be killing me, i didn't see the cvs |
| 17:09:58 | sorphin | prpplague_: i think it's even in the ftp maybe |
| 17:10:25 | sorphin | ftp://ftp.uclibc.org/buildroot.tar.gz |
| 17:11:19 | andersee | sorphin: I think that is really really old |
| 17:11:26 | andersee | sorphin: I should delete it... |
| 17:11:26 | sorphin | 4/27/2002 |
| 17:11:32 | andersee | ;-) |
| 17:11:46 | sorphin | well hey, if it gives any info about it ;p |
| 17:11:57 | sorphin | buildroot is a bloody mess ;) |
| 17:12:09 | sorphin | you'd think it was busybox code ;) |
| 17:12:11 | sorphin | grins |
| 17:13:00 | prpplague_ | andersee: ok, slap me in the head, but i don't see the buildroot cvs |
| 17:13:26 | andersee | prpplague_: http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 17:13:54 | andersee | prpplague_: you can even autogenerate a current tarball from that webpage... |
| 17:14:44 | prpplague_ | andersee: thanks, this lack of sleep is killing me |
| 17:14:57 | sorphin | prpplague_: sleep? whassat? |
| 17:16:38 | prpplague_ | sorphin: i don't know either |
| 17:20:43 | | OK, prpplague_. |
| 17:20:43 | prpplague_ | ibot: buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 17:22:12 | | buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 17:22:12 | prpplague | ibot: buildroot |
| 17:22:30 | file | hrms |
| 17:46:16 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:44:19) |
| 17:59:55 | Russ|werk | makes a fix in udhcp, and adds a line to the changelog... 'Keith Smith <keith@ksmith.com>' |
| 17:59:59 | Russ|werk | hmmmm |
| 18:00:22 | Russ|werk | nope, not the kevin smith |
| 18:00:48 | Russ|werk | oh, keith, not keven |
| 18:00:54 | Russ|werk | /ignore me |
| 18:03:34 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe.... Silent Bob strikes again |
| 18:38:00 | sorphin | ignores you |
| 18:44:38 | CosmicPenguin | ogg/vorbis just got the biggest boost in the world |
| 18:44:55 | Russ|werk | whats taht? |
| 18:45:04 | sorphin | ogg sucks |
| 18:47:28 | sorphin | ahh |
| 18:47:32 | sorphin | the thing on /. |
| 18:47:37 | sorphin | that's a laugh and a 1/2 |
| 18:48:06 | Russ|werk | what do you have against ogg? |
| 18:51:01 | andersee | likes ogg |
| 18:51:13 | andersee | ogg is smaller and sounds better than mp3 |
| 18:51:41 | sorphin | andersee: matter of opinion |
| 18:51:47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: unless of course you prefer .wma |
| 18:52:16 | andersee | sorphin: .ogg is smaller -- verifiable fact |
| 18:52:17 | CosmicPenguin | will definately reencode my music collection with ogg |
| 18:52:35 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-08-27 19:27:28 | New MP3 License Terms Demand $0.75 Per Decoder | Net Traffic Shocks Mimic Earthquakes | Sony Kills Betamax | Australia Oppresses Jedi |
| 18:52:35 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: slashdot |
| 18:52:46 | andersee | sorphin: .ogg sounds better -- determined in double blind audiophyle tests |
| 18:54:08 | CosmicPenguin | Don't ever doubt a double blind audiophile, either..... |
| 18:54:28 | sorphin | andersee: tell my soulplayer that :P |
| 18:54:33 | andersee | suspects sorphin has no direct experience with .ogg and has a large .mp3 collection |
| 18:54:51 | sorphin | why should i change ot a format, that nothing else can play |
| 18:55:10 | sorphin | .ogg makes my piece of hardware, useless |
| 18:55:22 | sorphin | and makes me have to *reencode* stuff i already have |
| 18:55:27 | sorphin | which would make it should more like shite |
| 18:55:35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its hell being an early adapter |
| 18:55:47 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:55:49 | sorphin | early? |
| 18:56:01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: just pull out your original CDs and reencode them... not tough |
| 18:56:09 | CosmicPenguin | Unless of course, you stole all of your music..... |
| 18:56:30 | sorphin | i have a lot that would be hard to find on cds :P |
| 18:56:37 | andersee | suspects CosmicPenguin is onto something |
| 18:56:41 | sorphin | it's called promo |
| 18:57:03 | CosmicPenguin | "Man, this sucks. I stole this diamond ring, and now the jeweler won't adjust it for me" |
| 18:57:26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: why don't you just go work for hillary rosen then? |
| 18:58:04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Its not cool to steal |
| 18:58:11 | Russ|werk | sorphin: its a slow changeover |
| 18:58:35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fyi, some of hte music i have you can't get on cd, some you can, the stuff you can, is maybe one 1 song |
| 18:58:49 | Russ|werk | so betamax and mp3 die in the same day |
| 18:58:53 | sorphin | shall i waste $20 on a cd for *1* good song? when the artist sees 50 cents |
| 18:58:59 | sorphin | right |
| 18:59:34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I don't care how unjust you think it is, its still theft? Don't like it, then don't give them your business. Period. |
| 18:59:35 | sorphin | remembers when fraunhofer tried somehting before |
| 18:59:37 | sorphin | ppl ignored them |
| 18:59:52 | andersee | sorphin: Hillary Rosen wants to destroy fair use. If I buy a CD, its my right to rip it any way I want to or use it as a room divider for my hamster. If you steal a cd, you have no rights. |
| 19:00:10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, you're welcome ot tihnk whatever the hell you wan't, but don't push your belief on me. |
| 19:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | wonders how badly the shiny side of a CD would freak out a hamster |
| 19:00:50 | sorphin | andersee: "steal a cd" how do you know i didn't buy any of these tracks off of places like cdnow that sell them digitallly? hmm? |
| 19:00:58 | sorphin | you don't. |
| 19:01:11 | sorphin | so spare me the fscking ethics debate. |
| 19:01:17 | Carb0n12 | I want one ! :) |
| 19:01:43 | sorphin | the point is, fraunhofer has returned their head to their rectum |
| 19:01:46 | CosmicPenguin | Carb0n12: an ethics debate? Uh.... ok... I guess..... |
| 19:01:47 | sorphin | once again |
| 19:01:48 | Carb0n12 | A tuxphone that is. Wow you realy are on irc lol :) |
| 19:02:25 | Carb0n12 | are they all gone ? |
| 19:02:32 | sorphin | read the topic |
| 19:02:39 | andersee | Carb0n12: about 20 left |
| 19:03:02 | Carb0n12 | oh yeah, cool. Will more be made ? |
| 19:03:06 | sorphin | no |
| 19:03:18 | sorphin | it's a surplus |
| 19:03:28 | sorphin | when they're gone they're gone, basicaly |
| 19:04:26 | Carb0n12 | oh dang. Whats the story ? He just found these surplus phones and tryed linux on them and it worked and called them tuxphones ? |
| 19:04:34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and just for you, the 1st comment on hte list is: Thank god for ogg! (Score:2, Insightful) |
| 19:04:53 | sorphin | Carb0n12: there's a page about the history.. |
| 19:05:54 | Carb0n12 | ok, I just wanted to order one and saw the irc part so here I am. Thanks for your help, Ill go back and read the thing. |
| 19:14:53 | sorphin | did i say "pirated" |
| 19:14:56 | sorphin | no |
| 19:15:05 | sorphin | have you ever photocopied something at the library? |
| 19:15:16 | sorphin | didn't say software |
| 19:15:43 | Aelhaz | You have no idea how hard it is to explain the concept of "fair use" to some librarians |
| 19:15:51 | andersee | sorphin: photocopying things at the library falls under fair use -- unless you copy the _entire_ book. |
| 19:15:55 | sorphin | BS |
| 19:16:08 | Aelhaz | andersee: Even if you copy the entire book |
| 19:16:17 | sorphin | tell me then |
| 19:16:19 | sorphin | mr ethics |
| 19:16:21 | Aelhaz | andersee: as long as it's for personal study |
| 19:16:41 | sorphin | how THAT differs from me having a copy of *1* song from an artist, that i use for my own personal listening? |
| 19:16:42 | andersee | I'd rather just check the book out and return it in 3 weeks... |
| 19:16:45 | Aelhaz | andersee: My dad's an english prof at BYU - some books, they won't let leave the library. So they photocopy them for him. |
| 19:17:10 | Aelhaz | my mother is a librarian, and she has a hard time wrapping her head around the concept. |
| 19:17:17 | sorphin | you didn't buy that book |
| 19:17:18 | Aelhaz | and she's a smart woman, too. |
| 19:17:25 | sorphin | so you're not making a copy of something you own |
| 19:17:31 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: do they let students do that too? sorphin is right - doing that is no different than copying a song |
| 19:17:35 | sorphin | so that's not "fair use" either |
| 19:17:46 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Dunno |
| 19:17:52 | CosmicPenguin | I can understand where they would let the professor do it, because technically his/her employer owns the book |
| 19:18:05 | CosmicPenguin | So its fair use for BYU to let its employees use it |
| 19:19:00 | Aelhaz | most of these laws predate the current corporatized government. new laws change everything. personally I believe in civil disobedience. |
| 19:19:02 | sorphin | will just be honest, i couldn't give a flying fsck if it's fair use or improper use, i listen to music i want to listen to and get it how i get it, if you think less of me for it, i frankly don't give a damn. :P |
| 19:19:24 | sorphin | could get into a nice IP debate |
| 19:19:27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: if I didn't think less of your before, then this definately won't put me over the top |
| 19:19:28 | sorphin | ben franklin |
| 19:19:36 | sorphin | didn't believe in patents |
| 19:19:42 | sorphin | i think it was him anyways |
| 19:19:55 | sorphin | did anything of his get trampled on? |
| 19:19:56 | sorphin | no |
| 19:19:57 | CosmicPenguin | he didn't do a very good job of convincing everyone else |
| 19:20:07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: he shouldn't have to |
| 19:20:13 | sorphin | the US patent system is a JOKE |
| 19:20:48 | sorphin | it doesn't inspire inovation, it helps people get patents on things they shouldn't get patents on and then extort $ because of it |
| 19:20:50 | Aelhaz | sorphin: Yes, actually, buncha people copied his stove designs |
| 19:20:55 | Aelhaz | sorphin: he didn't care much |
| 19:21:11 | sorphin | Aelhaz: exactly, he didn't care |
| 19:21:21 | sorphin | only reason people care, is they're fscking greedy |
| 19:21:29 | sorphin | it's all bout $ |
| 19:21:29 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: I do believe in the civil disobediance mantra - thats why I run DeCSS |
| 19:22:06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ooo! you're violating laws, i'm gonna tell :P *not* |
| 19:22:23 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: but I do support the basic premise behind copyright law - I believe that in its simplest form, it helps the little person |
| 19:22:54 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: helping the little person is one thing |
| 19:22:58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: DMCA violates so many of my other rights, its not funny. How does the law against stealing music voilate your rights? |
| 19:23:06 | sorphin | helping joe suit pay for his lexus |
| 19:23:08 | sorphin | is another |
| 19:23:37 | sorphin | using .mp3 doesn't automatically imply 'stealing music' |
| 19:23:53 | sorphin | look at the aritists taht use it that AREN't on big labels |
| 19:23:55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Do you have a fund to raise enough money to move out of the United States? I would love to donate to it. This is not the right country for you |
| 19:24:20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: this isn't the right country for anyone :P |
| 19:24:59 | Aelhaz | the RIAA doesn't have the moral grounds to call anyone else a theif |
| 19:24:59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if it were, things like the dmca wouldn't even GET passed :P |
| 19:25:15 | CosmicPenguin | isn't going to move |
| 19:25:32 | sorphin | and rapists wouldn't get outta jail in 2 years, while someone that stole something is in jail for LIFE |
| 19:25:39 | sorphin | tell me that's not backwards |
| 19:26:15 | Aelhaz | the thing about information is that the classic concept of theft doesn't apply to it very well |
| 19:26:19 | sorphin | you rape or murder someone, you get possibility of perol |
| 19:26:38 | sorphin | you steal, or do something simpler, less substantial |
| 19:26:40 | sorphin | you get life |
| 19:26:45 | sorphin | yeah, that makes sense |
| 19:27:28 | Aelhaz | you're not seeing clearly enough |
| 19:27:35 | Aelhaz | harm a person, go to jail for a few years |
| 19:27:41 | Aelhaz | harm a corporation, go to jail for life |
| 19:27:51 | Aelhaz | what's wrong there is that it should be the other way around |
| 19:27:51 | sorphin | that's what i meant |
| 19:27:58 | sorphin | exactly |
| 19:28:05 | Aelhaz | people should be more important than corps. |
| 19:28:11 | sorphin | unfortunately |
| 19:28:17 | sorphin | $ seems to be more important |
| 19:29:53 | sorphin | as for patent fun |
| 19:30:03 | sorphin | it should be good when it strikes the kernel :P |
| 19:30:09 | Aelhaz | there's a trend in governance theory where an increasing number of people who have a lot of money believe that corporations and litigation should be the new form of government |
| 19:30:40 | sorphin | Aelhaz: the last thing i'm gonna say on htis subject matter: |
| 19:30:49 | Aelhaz | Consider this: The average yearly income in the USA is roughly $1m, but only 10% of the nation makes more than $100k/yr |
| 19:31:01 | sorphin | someone obviously needs to change this statement "A goverment of the people, by the people and for the people" |
| 19:31:08 | sorphin | cuz it sure as hell isn't valid |
| 19:31:22 | Aelhaz | sorphin: Depends who you mean by "people" |
| 19:31:38 | sorphin | it's more like "a gov of, by and for $" |
| 19:32:08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no government isn't for the $$$ |
| 19:32:15 | CosmicPenguin | power corrupts |
| 19:32:28 | Aelhaz | installs woody on yet another machine |
| 19:33:26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh, i suppose that's not $ lining the politicians pockets? |
| 19:33:35 | sorphin | nah, couldn't be |
| 19:34:01 | Aelhaz | many of them come from the corporate world |
| 19:34:18 | Aelhaz | so it's not exactly big business corrupting government |
| 19:34:23 | Aelhaz | it's just corrupt people |
| 19:35:10 | sorphin | Aelhaz: big biz wants their own ppl in the gov, to protect their own interests, to hell w/ the little guy trying to feed his family |
| 19:35:10 | Aelhaz | both dubya & algor got their money from the oil business - just different companies. |
| 19:35:20 | sorphin | Aelhaz: that corporate exec has to pay for his yaht |
| 19:37:07 | sorphin | by anyways |
| 19:37:56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: fair enough - now tell me what your solution is for all of this? |
| 19:37:58 | sorphin | continues to use mp3 because my hardware device supports it and i have the needed decoder(s).. nothing's gonna change, the world's not gonna just have mp3 disappear |
| 19:38:31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: a solution that would never work, because the world would refuse to have an equal society |
| 19:38:49 | sorphin | someone always has to be better |
| 19:39:40 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so you're just going to be bitter about it then? |
| 19:39:47 | sorphin | thousands of years ago, this crap didn't exist |
| 19:40:05 | sorphin | and people just lived their lives |
| 19:40:18 | sorphin | didn't care about "patents" or "IP" or a paycheck |
| 19:40:25 | spse | the only solution to not having political parties funded by corporations is to fund them by the tax pay and ban private donations but the tax payer is unwilling to do that |
| 19:40:39 | sorphin | and life didn't revolve around a fake thing called $ |
| 19:40:39 | spse | willing i mean |
| 19:40:57 | Aelhaz | well, shit, right now, If someone offered me $12/hr, I'd take it. Complaining about the state of things is all well & good, but it doesn't get me off of unemployment. |
| 19:41:19 | sorphin | that's my point right there |
| 19:41:50 | sorphin | the ideal society would never happen |
| 19:42:14 | sorphin | cuz in the ideal, there is no "12/hr job" |
| 19:42:29 | sorphin | hell, life in STNG would be better than real life ;p |
| 19:42:30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: in *your* ideal |
| 19:42:38 | Aelhaz | The only thing I'm sure of is that labor unions are not the solution |
| 19:43:06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you may like having to rely on a bogus "financial system" just so you can "buy" food so you can live |
| 19:43:36 | sorphin | funny how people can buy land |
| 19:44:06 | sorphin | since when does anyone on this planet really own any part of htis planet? did you create this planet? no? hten how'd you magically own part of it |
| 19:44:36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yet, you have no solutions. |
| 19:44:42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you grow your own food? |
| 19:45:09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if i had the place to do it, i'd be more than happy to |
| 19:45:14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you generate your own electricity? |
| 19:45:21 | sorphin | repeating above |
| 19:45:34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: did you develop the backbone for the electronic network that you are talking on? |
| 19:45:42 | sorphin | supposes cos has never heard of a commune |
| 19:45:57 | sorphin | or a cooperative |
| 19:46:14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: then go join one, and yell at me from there. You cannot sit in suburbia America and tell me how much I suck |
| 19:46:21 | sorphin | erm |
| 19:46:27 | sorphin | "suburbia america" ? |
| 19:46:34 | Aelhaz | there's nothing wrong with being discontented and not having the solutions |
| 19:46:52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and fyi, i never fscking said *you* suck, so piss off |
| 19:47:01 | sorphin | and go play w/ microwindows |
| 19:47:15 | Aelhaz | arguing that someone has to have a solution in order to have the right to complain is just a method of marginalizing an opinion you don't like hearing |
| 19:47:21 | Aelhaz | there's no defense for it |
| 19:48:01 | CosmicPenguin | But inaction is less convincing than action |
| 19:48:16 | sorphin | inaction eh? |
| 19:48:19 | Aelhaz | It's still a start |
| 19:48:30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you don't even do anything yourself, do you? |
| 19:48:43 | sorphin | besides tell me my *opinion* is wrong |
| 19:48:44 | CosmicPenguin | If my neighbor puts in solar panels, then his complaints about me using the power grid are valid |
| 19:48:47 | Aelhaz | I'm in favor of anyone willing to think about something and vocalize their thoughts |
| 19:48:50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm not complaining |
| 19:48:54 | sorphin | because it's not what CosmicPenguin believes |
| 19:48:57 | Aelhaz | you have to start somewhere |
| 19:48:57 | sorphin | so it's wrong |
| 19:49:05 | Aelhaz | and without thought and discussion, we'll get nowhere |
| 19:49:38 | Aelhaz | I'm in favor of people I disagree with putting thought and effort into their ideas and trying to spread them. How could i effectively disagree with them otherwise? |
| 19:49:50 | sorphin | would love to get the hell out of corporateland |
| 19:50:00 | sorphin | but it's not as easy as 'drop everything' |
| 19:50:24 | sorphin | and anyone that thinks so, is clueless |
| 19:51:29 | CosmicPenguin | But not easy does not mean it shouldn't be done |
| 19:51:29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fyi, as for the "backbone i'm on to talk here" |
| 19:51:43 | sorphin | works for the company that owns most of it :P |
| 19:52:08 | sorphin | and for the fraction that isn't theres |
| 19:52:19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats real ironic - you work for a company that has commercialized something that was build by the goverment with taxpayer money |
| 19:52:20 | sorphin | *I* did build, and design, it's MY network |
| 19:52:54 | sorphin | umm, then blame darpa |
| 19:53:01 | sorphin | for releasing it |
| 19:53:53 | sorphin | anyways i'm done... talking to you is like talking to a cinderblock wall. |
| 19:54:32 | CosmicPenguin | likewise |
| 19:54:43 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:54:45 | Aelhaz | the gummint sold it fair and square |
| 19:54:56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're more than welcome to type: /ignore sorphin ALL |
| 19:55:14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: why would I want to do that? |
| 19:55:38 | sorphin | then you won't have to see "my opinions that aren't relevant in CP land" |
| 19:56:08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: none of your opinions are relevant in CP land, but unfortunately, none of us live there |
| 19:56:16 | sorphin | thank god |
| 19:56:23 | sorphin | prolly all be running microwindows ;p |
| 19:56:39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: doubtful, but thats a different discussion |
| 19:56:49 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:57:02 | sorphin | least you've kept me awake ;p |
| 19:57:16 | CosmicPenguin | regrets keeping sorphin up beyond his bedtime |
| 19:57:20 | sorphin | this fscking zyrtek is killer |
| 19:57:37 | sorphin | um.. past my bedtime? i'm at work |
| 19:57:54 | sorphin | but i'm also on a med that has a drowsy side effect |
| 19:58:16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: stop trying to be such an ass, you're copying me, and i didn't permit it. :P |
| 19:58:36 | sorphin | has prior art |
| 19:59:30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I wonder if I would be able to get that patent.. :) |
| 19:59:45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: considering the current PTO |
| 19:59:48 | sorphin | word it right |
| 19:59:51 | sorphin | and you would |
| 20:00:05 | sorphin | i'm still waiting for someone to broadly patent breathing ;p |
| 20:00:15 | sorphin | and charge a royality |
| 20:00:32 | sorphin | just to show how bad the current system is |
| 20:00:49 | sorphin | they're supposed to search for prior before allowing the patent |
| 20:00:51 | sorphin | they don't |
| 20:01:18 | sorphin | they have no one w/ the knowledge to tell if a patent really shouldn't be allowed. |
| 20:01:56 | CosmicPenguin | You would think that someone like Attila the Hun would definately be prior art |
| 20:02:14 | CosmicPenguin | wonders if Atilla the Hun was an ass |
| 20:02:36 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe he was a really nice guy with an evil job |
| 20:05:41 | sorphin | well, bill gates might be a real nice guy too w/ an evil job *smirk* |
| 20:06:30 | sorphin | i know file's postman has an evil job, dunno if they're nice or not tho |
| 20:06:45 | file | I've never talked to him |
| 20:06:50 | sorphin | riiiight |
| 20:06:59 | Aelhaz | it's not bill gates being evil & ruthless that makes microsoft an evil company |
| 20:07:00 | sorphin | that's why he's your "friend" |
| 20:07:08 | file | my postman isn't my friend... |
| 20:07:21 | Aelhaz | it's that every manager at microsoft has a surprising ammount of autonomy through which they can also be evil & ruthless |
| 20:07:23 | sorphin | oh, right, the postman's your daddy |
| 20:07:28 | file | no... |
| 20:07:32 | sorphin | the milkman's your friend |
| 20:07:39 | file | I don't have a milkman |
| 20:07:53 | sorphin | Aelhaz: too much autonomy |
| 20:08:13 | Aelhaz | power corrupts |
| 20:08:17 | CosmicPenguin | Though I heard that Gates was a bit of a di*k |
| 20:08:18 | file | absolutely |
| 20:08:22 | sorphin | the only reason, that M$ |
| 20:08:27 | sorphin | gets away w/ what they do |
| 20:08:42 | sorphin | is because of the sheer amount of $ |
| 20:08:51 | sorphin | if this country wasn't all about $ |
| 20:08:56 | sorphin | M$ wouldn't be squat |
| 20:09:16 | sorphin | but because every luser and their mother uses an M$ product (if they don't know beter) |
| 20:09:26 | sorphin | M$ has a foothold |
| 20:09:30 | sorphin | esp w/ the gov |
| 20:10:40 | Aelhaz | reminds me of a job listing i saw today |
| 20:10:42 | Aelhaz | COMPUTER AIDE >! > Part time computer instructor aide to help teach MS Office to seriously mentally ill adults who are participating in a Valley Mental Health program at the Horizonte School, 1234 S. Main. Must have two yrs. related experience or education and be skilled in MS Office. Work Mon, Wed. and Fri, 3:30 - 5:30 p.m. $9.63/hr. Fax resume to 539-7050 attn: Jeremy. |
| 20:11:17 | sorphin | Aelhaz: isn't that like giving poison to someone who's already dying? |
| 20:11:25 | sorphin | (couldn't think of a better example) |
| 20:11:35 | Aelhaz | sorphin: for $57.78 a week |
| 20:11:43 | sorphin | teaching them office isn't gonna make them any better off ;p |
| 20:13:10 | sorphin | tries to find when ted tso switched to ted from theodore (out of boredom) |
| 20:13:30 | file | groans as he really must write up some technical manuals on his app |
| 20:15:17 | sorphin | which i still don't believe exists ;p |
| 20:16:20 | file | I've got a screenshot... |
| 20:16:36 | sorphin | just tell me what it supposedly does |
| 20:16:36 | file | http://users.staticky.com/joshnet/ts.bmp |
| 20:16:40 | sorphin | ugh |
| 20:16:42 | sorphin | a .bmp |
| 20:16:42 | file | it's a web browser |
| 20:16:55 | file | I don't have anything to convert to .jpg or .png |
| 20:16:56 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 20:17:01 | sorphin | even IE can't open it |
| 20:17:10 | file | mspaint can :p |
| 20:17:16 | sorphin | well, asks if it should be opened |
| 20:17:23 | file | yes - choose too! |
| 20:17:27 | file | to |
| 20:17:45 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:17:56 | sorphin | idunno what that's supposed to be |
| 20:17:58 | file | due to my redrawing stuff it's pretty... weird |
| 20:18:00 | sorphin | but it's very small |
| 20:18:03 | file | that's http://www.staticky.com/ |
| 20:18:08 | sorphin | and not a browser |
| 20:18:09 | file | it's for a handheld device... Cybiko |
| 20:18:19 | file | yes - it is |
| 20:18:41 | sorphin | you captured a client window |
| 20:18:49 | sorphin | where's the rest of the browser? :P |
| 20:19:02 | file | huh? |
| 20:19:12 | sorphin | file: btw, also out of boredom, i looked up the tcsx-1 you keep whining about |
| 20:19:20 | sorphin | cute, pointless, but cute |
| 20:19:34 | file | sorphin: you do realize prpplague created it? |
| 20:19:53 | sorphin | file: it explains why you nag him so much about it |
| 20:20:15 | file | not anymore |
| 20:20:54 | Aelhaz | apt cranking away . . . . |
| 20:20:57 | Aelhaz | hey, how'd it get to be 3:30 |
| 20:21:06 | sorphin | it's ont |
| 20:21:07 | sorphin | not |
| 20:21:10 | sorphin | it's 4:30 |
| 20:21:19 | sorphin | you're just in the wrong timezone ;) |
| 20:22:12 | Aelhaz | so it's later than i think |
| 20:22:24 | Aelhaz | anybody know if the state of nvidia drivers in linux is still pretty sad? |
| 20:24:38 | Aelhaz | yeah, looks that way. |
| 20:25:41 | sorphin | i must be the only person w/ no probs |
| 20:26:13 | Aelhaz | sorphin: *Shrug* I haven't messed with the box in a year under linux - it's primarily a windows machine |
| 20:26:23 | Aelhaz | what I'm looking for is xvideo support |
| 20:26:31 | sorphin | yup |
| 20:26:31 | Aelhaz | I have no idea how to get there |
| 20:26:37 | sorphin | i have that :) |
| 20:26:40 | sorphin | and working GL |
| 20:26:56 | sorphin | just grabs whatever is latest in nvida's download site |
| 20:27:07 | sorphin | compile, load, set to use the right driver in the X config |
| 20:27:09 | sorphin | and off you go |
| 20:27:15 | Aelhaz | a redhat RPM that's specific to a stock kernel doesn't help me much |
| 20:27:20 | sorphin | nno |
| 20:27:23 | Aelhaz | stock kernels are for suckers |
| 20:27:24 | sorphin | grab the SOURCE |
| 20:27:29 | sorphin | screw the rpms |
| 20:27:34 | sorphin | they have .tgzs |
| 20:27:37 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:28:10 | Aelhaz | ok, I see that |
| 20:28:15 | sorphin | :) |
| 21:36:24 | MonMotha | Aiee, killing interrupt handler! |
| 21:39:31 | MonMotha | runs the oops through ksymoops |
| 21:39:47 | MonMotha | go figure, and now it boots |
| 21:48:39 | sorphin | MonMotha: of course it does |
| 22:11:38 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 22:51:34 | MonMotha | hum, I need to build a shanip mod |
| 22:51:41 | MonMotha | proto boards to the rescue :) |
| 22:56:45 | jacques | yeh me too |
| 23:06:16 | jacques | busybox ps needs options :-) |
| 23:08:49 | andersee | is away: eating pizza |
| 23:38:00 | andersee | is back (gone 00:29:10) |
