| 00:27:02 | CosmicPenguin | is away: dinner |
| 01:14:49 | sorphin | re mr "i like core dumps" |
| 01:15:15 | Russ | its the default xchat 1.9.2 quit message |
| 01:15:22 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:15:32 | file | my head no longer hurts |
| 01:16:28 | sorphin | turns up some really really really loud music and aims it at file |
| 01:16:51 | file | twitches |
| 01:18:37 | sorphin | re julie |
| 01:18:47 | Morn | hey |
| 01:23:47 | sorphin | sup? |
| 01:24:08 | Morn | I just installed chilisoft asp on the solaris iplanet server |
| 01:24:25 | andersee | on purpose? |
| 01:24:39 | andersee | ;-) |
| 01:25:03 | Morn | yeah |
| 01:25:08 | Morn | just to say it was possible |
| 01:25:37 | Morn | I need to get it doing php too |
| 01:25:49 | Morn | then it'll support php/asp/jsp/servlets |
| 01:25:52 | Morn | sheesh |
| 01:26:06 | andersee | I think we should keep you away from Mt. Everest, lest you try it w/o oxygen bottles |
| 01:26:16 | sorphin | shivers |
| 01:26:25 | sorphin | won't put any of that on his webserver |
| 01:26:48 | Morn | sorphin: do you do much web programming? |
| 01:27:27 | sorphin | not too much these days |
| 01:27:39 | Morn | I do quite a bit |
| 01:27:42 | sorphin | nods |
| 01:27:50 | Morn | and I like to understand all the different technologies |
| 01:27:52 | sorphin | well, i assume servlets = java |
| 01:27:58 | sorphin | and well, i see enough java at work |
| 01:28:00 | Morn | jsp = java too |
| 01:28:03 | sorphin | considering the application i support |
| 01:28:07 | sorphin | is WRITTEN in java |
| 01:28:11 | sorphin | shivers |
| 01:28:21 | Morn | likes java |
| 01:28:24 | sorphin | hates it |
| 01:28:34 | sorphin | other than the fact that it's "portable" |
| 01:28:38 | sorphin | it's slow |
| 01:28:46 | sorphin | it's bloaty |
| 01:28:49 | Morn | it's not bad for web apps |
| 01:29:00 | sorphin | tell taht to me every time it locks up my browser ;) |
| 01:29:03 | Morn | and sometimes there are things more important than raw speed |
| 01:29:24 | Morn | I think that java code is easier to maintain than say a large perl app |
| 01:29:40 | sorphin | depends on how versed you are in either |
| 01:29:51 | Morn | I have done both professionaly |
| 01:30:25 | sorphin | no offense meant, but that don't tell me much :) |
| 01:30:39 | Morn | I've been programming for 20 years |
| 01:30:42 | andersee | Morn: A pile of badly written asm is easier to maintain than a large perl app |
| 01:30:45 | sorphin | has seen people do things professionally, and well, they sucked ;) |
| 01:30:49 | sorphin | andersee: hey now |
| 01:31:05 | sorphin | least it's not busybox ;) |
| 01:31:11 | Morn | sorphin: well, lets just say I don't suck at what I do |
| 01:31:12 | andersee | likes perl but its not a tool for large apps |
| 01:31:19 | Morn | but I do have to sleep |
| 01:31:27 | sorphin | will agree with *that* statement erik |
| 01:31:55 | sorphin | maybe for large apps, it's not right, that's why i do those in C |
| 01:32:20 | Morn | languages are tools |
| 01:32:28 | Morn | and we all have our favorite tools |
| 01:32:49 | sorphin | true |
| 01:32:53 | sorphin | but some things just shouldn't be done |
| 01:32:56 | sorphin | that app i mentioned |
| 01:32:59 | sorphin | in java |
| 01:33:15 | sorphin | is our provisioning app for VPN stuff |
| 01:33:19 | sorphin | it was written by cisco |
| 01:33:29 | Morn | these days most of the java I do is for web applications |
| 01:33:34 | sorphin | it's buggy as all hell, it's slow, it's garbage |
| 01:33:36 | Morn | and I'm talking server side, not applets |
| 01:33:38 | sorphin | rewrite it in C |
| 01:33:40 | andersee | writes very small scripts in bourne shell, medium scripts in perl. Anything bigger is a job for X... |
| 01:33:44 | Morn | so it doesn't crash your browser |
| 01:33:48 | sorphin | and i guarantee it'd run 500% better |
| 01:33:52 | andersee | err. C |
| 01:34:00 | sorphin | andersee: yup |
| 01:34:10 | andersee | X is next to C on the keyboard. missed. |
| 01:34:18 | sorphin | andersee: i was gonna say |
| 01:34:25 | sorphin | X isn't good for big things ;) |
| 01:34:39 | sorphin | i mean, look, it keeps crashing on morn ;) |
| 01:34:47 | sorphin | and that's only w/ netscape |
| 01:34:48 | sorphin | grins |
| 01:34:59 | Morn | netscape sucks |
| 01:35:08 | Morn | but I need the email client |
| 01:35:10 | Morn | :-( |
| 01:35:10 | sorphin | Morn: what praytell would you do server side in java, that would be done more efficiently/better in java ? |
| 01:35:38 | Morn | sorphin: large database driving apps for one |
| 01:35:49 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:35:55 | Morn | jsp and some well written beans are very effective |
| 01:35:58 | sorphin | vpnsc (the app) accesses a very very large DB |
| 01:36:25 | sorphin | bout 4G atm |
| 01:36:33 | sorphin | well, maybe not very very |
| 01:36:34 | sorphin | but still |
| 01:36:39 | Russ | evolution |
| 01:36:43 | Morn | 4G isn't THAT big |
| 01:36:53 | sorphin | Morn: well, it is for this thing apparently |
| 01:37:07 | Morn | Russ: I'd love to use evolution, it's my email client of choice, but it won't build on solaris 9 that I can see |
| 01:37:23 | Russ | Morn: bummer |
| 01:37:32 | sorphin | at work on the workstations |
| 01:37:35 | sorphin | we use 8 |
| 01:37:45 | Morn | solaris 8 would have the same problem |
| 01:37:46 | sorphin | the server is on 2.6 and will use 8 when we do the next app upgrade |
| 01:37:55 | sorphin | uses 2.6 locally and is staying w/ it |
| 01:38:06 | sorphin | well, unless you can't patch it for ipv6 |
| 01:38:06 | Morn | the beta of gnome 2.0 uses some of the early shared libs |
| 01:39:13 | Morn | I enabled ipv6 in this install, though lord knows why... |
| 01:39:18 | sorphin | grins |
| 01:39:47 | file | stuffs sorphin into an ISA slot |
| 01:40:00 | sorphin | shoves file down a sewer |
| 01:40:05 | sorphin | anyways |
| 01:40:10 | file | ends up at Morn's place |
| 01:40:14 | Morn | doh! |
| 01:40:23 | sorphin | file: i don't think she'd like you ;p |
| 01:40:28 | Morn | we have a septic tank |
| 01:40:29 | file | ::standing beside Morn: Hello. |
| 01:40:36 | Morn | and a well |
| 01:40:37 | file | uh, matter teleportation? |
| 01:40:39 | Morn | I live in the boonies |
| 01:40:43 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:40:51 | sorphin | file: you lose |
| 01:41:00 | sorphin | Russ: still there? |
| 01:41:01 | file | cerebral transference over low-speed 56k modem link? |
| 01:41:12 | Morn | anyway long day tomorrow |
| 01:41:17 | Morn | I'll chat with you good folks |
| 01:41:25 | sorphin | nini julie |
| 01:41:29 | Morn | falls down and sleeps. |
| 01:42:12 | sorphin | really needs more ttys |
| 02:07:34 | Russ | sorphin: ya? |
| 02:08:13 | sorphin | scrolls back to see what he wanted to ask you.. |
| 02:08:53 | Russ | hooray, 2.4.20-pre4-ac1 |
| 02:09:05 | sorphin | cool |
| 02:10:28 | sorphin | bah, now i can't bloody remember it was something we were differed about (and it wasn't raid) |
| 02:11:07 | sorphin | oh yeah |
| 02:11:16 | sorphin | now i remember |
| 02:11:19 | sorphin | scrolling back helped ;) |
| 02:11:31 | sorphin | you're the one that mentioned galeon, right? |
| 02:26:36 | sorphin | scanline: hey |
| 02:26:45 | scanline | hi sorphin |
| 02:27:02 | scanline | I suppose my new internet connection works (: |
| 02:27:12 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:27:27 | sorphin | busy? |
| 02:27:38 | scanline | Just setting up stuff, so not really |
| 02:27:41 | scanline | though I'm rather tired |
| 02:27:46 | sorphin | been lookin through this dc stuff |
| 02:27:52 | scanline | haven't had much sleep, and just moved back to college |
| 02:28:01 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:30:46 | sorphin | i'll bug ya bout it some other time then.. |
| 02:52:57 | sorphin | scanline: oops? |
| 03:13:20 | scanline | is away: sleepytime |
| 14:59:52 | s0Gr8 | re |
| 16:05:21 | CosmicPenguin | ohh... good turnout today |
| 16:05:24 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:38:25) |
| 16:55:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats happening today? |
| 16:55:25 | file | cyurses |
| 16:55:44 | file | QNX 6's pccard program or their NE2000 driver is b0rken |
| 16:59:09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just trying to refinance my college fraternities chapter house |
| 16:59:17 | file | is not happy |
| 16:59:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 16:59:53 | file | prpplague : when azmarith and the hub comes, I will be happy |
| 16:59:57 | file | gives prpplague some beer |
| 17:00:01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you a pam guru? |
| 17:00:04 | prpplague | file: thanks |
| 17:01:24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I know what it stands for if that helps? :) |
| 17:01:55 | CosmicPenguin | Other than that, I don't know a whole lot. I'm am traditionally /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow person myself |
| 17:18:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't the standard passwd and shadow use pam? |
| 17:18:45 | CosmicPenguin | Not in the embedded space :) |
| 17:22:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its just that I don't often have use for a modular password system, so I really don't worry about it |
| 17:22:52 | CosmicPenguin | as long as crypt() keeps working, thats good enough for me |
| 17:24:55 | CosmicPenguin | crosses fingers and fires up JFLASH |
| 17:25:20 | CosmicPenguin | uncrosses fingers because its hard to type with them crossed |
| 17:34:51 | CosmicPenguin | woo-hoo |
| 17:36:46 | CosmicPenguin | is there anything special I need to specifiy to ./flash? |
| 17:36:46 | scanline | is away: lunch |
| 17:39:16 | CosmicPenguin | is rebuilding buildroot-tux |
| 17:39:22 | file | CosmicPenguin : is it horrible? |
| 17:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | file: I think I may actually pull this one out |
| 17:39:42 | file | CosmicPenguin : wow, congrats |
| 17:39:42 | CosmicPenguin | file: and just in time for the new microwindows CVS |
| 17:39:52 | file | CosmicPenguin : that's too good to be true |
| 17:40:43 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, I'll let it do its thing, and I'll be back in a few |
| 17:40:48 | file | ok |
| 17:40:50 | CosmicPenguin | is away: haircut |
| 17:55:34 | file | hey sjhill |
| 18:02:39 | sjhill | 'lo |
| 18:08:07 | prpplague | ha |
| 18:08:10 | prpplague | whoot |
| 18:08:18 | prpplague | has conquered the ibmpos |
| 18:10:30 | file | prpplague : congrats |
| 18:10:48 | prpplague | hmmm, i think i got droped from the lak mailing list |
| 18:21:15 | scanline | is back (gone 00:44:28) |
| 18:57:49 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 01:16:58) |
| 19:03:53 | CosmicPenguin | sticks on the college football game |
| 19:04:01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you a college football fan? |
| 19:21:03 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I finally hooked up the jtag dongle - amazingly it works |
| 19:21:09 | CosmicPenguin | can't solder to save his life |
| 19:32:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, i'm a true geek, scifi, beer and computers |
| 19:32:39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: very cool. You were sounding kindof depressed the other day after dribbling solder all over... |
| 19:33:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Isn't it a crime in Texas not to like college football? |
| 19:34:51 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm rebuilding the buildroot right now... |
| 19:36:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: and believe it or not Greg is actually close to a new Microwindows release |
| 19:38:38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: btw, I have some changes to buildroot I need to commit. Right now the toolchain, kernel, and uClibc are strongly coupled. Rebuilding uClibc or the kernel causes a toolchain rebuild. I've got that fixed here. |
| 19:38:59 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you are surely joking. I figured Greg has lost interest... |
| 19:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I thought so too... but he's been bothering me for a while now trying to get it going |
| 19:39:59 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: we've added some cool stuff - true alpha blending, tiles, stipples, dotted lines |
| 19:40:08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: we can read X .pcf.gz fonts directly |
| 19:42:26 | CosmicPenguin | ahh nuts.... I forgot that udhcp/tools was borked on the CVS tree |
| 19:42:47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: how do I get around that? |
| 19:45:12 | andersee | ? |
| 19:45:29 | andersee | hasn't seen that problem |
| 19:47:02 | CosmicPenguin | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@busybox.net:/var/cvs co udhcp |
| 19:47:10 | CosmicPenguin | cvs server: Updating udhcp/samples |
| 19:47:10 | CosmicPenguin | cvs server: Updating udhcp/tools |
| 19:47:18 | CosmicPenguin | and then it stops - its been stopped for about 10 minutes now |
| 19:47:53 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: try cvs -z3 -t.. trace program execution, yiou can see where its getting hung up |
| 19:48:11 | CosmicPenguin | roger |
| 19:48:38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: lemme take a look for stale locks on the server.... |
| 19:49:17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth, andersee: NOthing on the trace - still stops right after the 'cvs server: Updating udhcp/tools' line |
| 19:50:44 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: no stale locks on the server.... |
| 19:50:51 | andersee | restart? |
| 19:52:06 | CosmicPenguin | nada - but hold on, I'm on a fixed bandwidth cable modem, and I'm about half way through a microwindows checkout |
| 19:54:02 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: still hanging |
| 19:56:36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: What does your ~/.cvsrc have in it? |
| 19:56:46 | andersee | The tools dir is empty... |
| 19:57:08 | andersee | Just some old stuff in the Attic... |
| 19:58:18 | CosmicPenguin | I don't havea .cvsrc |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | $ cat ~/.cvsrc |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | -z3 |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | update -dP |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | rdiff -u |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | diff -ubBwpN |
| 19:58:33 | andersee | checkout -P |
| 19:58:56 | andersee | I recommend you create one tith this in it. |
| 19:59:06 | andersee | err. with |
| 19:59:33 | CosmicPenguin | done |
| 19:59:40 | andersee | It makes cvs suck far less |
| 19:59:50 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't help unfortunately |
| 20:02:29 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, its easy to get around - just do a cvs update Makefile in the directory |
| 20:07:19 | MonMotha | you know, it's scary when your regulated 12V PS varies from 10-15V in a seemingly arbitrary fashion... |
| 20:07:32 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh.. yeah |
| 20:08:01 | MonMotha | I've got little crummy power bricks that vary less than that |
| 20:08:50 | andersee | MonMotha: perhaps you need one that supplies more current... |
| 20:09:31 | MonMotha | andersee: it's rated for like 2.1A |
| 20:09:56 | MonMotha | and load seems to have no effect on it |
| 20:11:10 | andersee | Hmm. In that case I agree, your power supply is crap... |
| 20:11:35 | andersee | voltage regulator is probably hosed |
| 20:11:47 | CosmicPenguin | Uhh... wny does the FLNX target build the jpeg source? |
| 20:11:49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats bad news |
| 20:11:57 | MonMotha | andersee: yep, that's what I concluded |
| 20:12:04 | MonMotha | it's only like 5 years old too, though it was made by radio shack |
| 20:12:21 | MonMotha | scary when the components go bad before the housing looks like crap |
| 20:39:23 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: not that we thought it wouldn't work, but the latest microwindows stuff still builds with uclibc |
| 20:46:09 | CosmicPenguin | prepares to make pizza dough |
| 20:49:57 | CosmicPenguin | freeking woot |
| 21:07:19 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: are you near your phone? |
| 21:21:32 | CosmicPenguin | is away: off to get pizza ingredients |
| 21:41:26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I am now |
| 21:41:48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Was taking a nap |
| 21:45:05 | sorphin | andersee: still there? *grin* |
| 21:45:07 | sorphin | Russ: ping |
| 21:45:11 | andersee | :) |
| 21:45:21 | Russ | pong? |
| 21:45:46 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:24:14) |
| 21:45:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dude |
| 21:46:18 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you rang? |
| 21:46:25 | file | prpplague: you deserve more beer. |
| 21:46:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is censoft getting crazy or what? |
| 21:46:33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: wrong number... :) |
| 21:46:40 | prpplague | file: thanks i do |
| 21:46:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I figured it out - I had to erase my flash before the kernel would boot |
| 21:47:04 | sorphin | Russ: you're the one that mentioned galeon to me, right? |
| 21:47:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: why do you say that? |
| 21:47:15 | andersee | ahh |
| 21:47:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just from you irc chat yesterday |
| 21:47:24 | sorphin | andersee: does this tell you my progress? :) : dreamcast:~# |
| 21:47:26 | Russ | don't remember |
| 21:47:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ohh.... I thought you heard something new |
| 21:47:30 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 21:47:50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, as is the normal case, the programming is rock solid, the sales / marketing sucks |
| 21:47:56 | sorphin | Russ: well, is there a nice handy debian pkg w/ the libs from gnome i'll need? |
| 21:48:19 | prpplague | file: unfortunately, i can't have one, we are implementing this bastard code for these ibm terminals tonight, tomorrow we go live on 200 pos |
| 21:48:36 | kergoth | prpplague: good luck. |
| 21:48:45 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks i'll need it |
| 21:48:51 | sorphin | prpplague: noticed last night that denny's is using some bastard ibm pos' |
| 21:49:08 | file | prpplague: oh crap |
| 21:49:29 | prpplague | sorphin: ya you don't want to know what they paid for it |
| 21:49:43 | sorphin | prpplague: too much |
| 21:53:45 | Russ | sorphin: you mean apt-get install galeon? |
| 21:55:05 | sorphin | heh, i guess that'd work too |
| 21:57:18 | andersee | sorphin: very cool. :) |
| 21:58:08 | sorphin | andersee: tis running off the CD tho.. need to wait for scanline to reappear to clue me on altering this for nfs.. |
| 21:58:29 | file | sorphin: call his dorm ;) |
| 21:59:25 | sorphin | file: umm.. no |
| 22:00:08 | scanline | sorphin: eh? |
| 22:00:09 | scanline | sorphin: I was running it via NFS |
| 22:00:09 | scanline | sorphin: don't ask me where, but there was a makefile in there somewhere to load everything... |
| 22:00:09 | sorphin | scanline: well, i'm running on CD atm.. |
| 22:00:09 | scanline | sorry I haven't used this in so long and I have a bad memory |
| 22:02:00 | sorphin | nod |
| 22:02:00 | file | just try your best |
| 22:02:00 | sorphin | bbl. |
| 22:04:53 | CosmicPenguin | is appaled to find the touchscreen working in microwindows without even using the calibrator |
| 22:05:58 | scanline | haha |
| 22:06:04 | scanline | default calibration file? |
| 22:06:17 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: maybe this microwindows stuff is pretty cool after all, eh? |
| 22:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 22:06:28 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:06:30 | scanline | magic |
| 22:10:43 | file | hello Russ |
| 22:11:30 | Russ | hey file |
| 22:11:47 | file | how goes life? |
| 22:12:54 | file | hands prpplague a jello shooter |
| 22:19:07 | CosmicPenguin | file: got more? |
| 22:19:16 | CosmicPenguin | Being a good frat boy, I love jello shooters... :) |
| 22:19:53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: there's a such thing as a good frat boy? |
| 22:20:04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ahh... a non believer |
| 22:20:40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: of course |
| 22:21:21 | sorphin | ponders.. i *just* noticed that sjhill was on from broadcom.. heh |
| 22:21:35 | sorphin | me thinks i'll have to talk to him about some thing |
| 23:35:39 | sorphin | Russ: yo |
| 23:40:10 | Russ | andersee: I have raid, not lvm with -pre4, but /proc/partitions is screwed up |
| 23:42:05 | sorphin | Russ: what's that other file sharing thing you mentioned the other day ? |
| 23:47:36 | andersee | Russ: yup |
| 23:47:51 | andersee | You need to apply my de-hose /proc/partitions patch |
| 23:48:51 | andersee | Russ: http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linu |
| 23:59:52 | andersee | err... http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0208.2/0984.html |