| 00:18:42 | cpenguin_home | hello |
| 01:09:46 | | File type identification utility. URL: ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/ |
| 01:09:46 | scanline | ibot: file? |
| 01:12:22 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:12:46 | sorphin | try again ;) |
| 01:14:31 | sorphin | Morn: your connection just doesn't like you does it? |
| 01:14:48 | Morn | netscape keeps crashing my x server |
| 01:15:26 | | cpenguin_home: huh? |
| 01:15:26 | cpenguin_home | ibot: file also has a love hate relationship with his postman |
| 01:15:47 | file | ;) |
| 01:15:54 | | thanks cpenguin_home :) |
| 01:15:54 | cpenguin_home | ibot: shut up and have a botsnack |
| 01:16:14 | file | offers CosmicPenguin_at_home a piece of cake |
| 01:16:25 | cpenguin_home | mmmm.... cake |
| 01:16:38 | cpenguin_home | offers file a piece of broccoli |
| 01:16:44 | file | mmm |
| 01:16:48 | file | butter? |
| 01:17:09 | file | I love broccoli |
| 01:17:14 | sorphin | MonMotha: out of mem ? |
| 01:17:18 | sorphin | grr |
| 01:17:22 | sorphin | Morn: out of mem ? |
| 01:18:03 | MonMotha | huh? |
| 01:18:04 | MonMotha | oh |
| 01:18:20 | sorphin | MonMotha: wow, you're still alive ;) |
| 01:18:31 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 01:18:41 | MonMotha | haven't gotten a chance to play with my tux recently tho |
| 01:18:52 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:19:07 | file | doens't have a Tuxsfcreen, and doesn't want one |
| 01:19:09 | file | er TUxscreen |
| 01:19:15 | sorphin | is working on stuff for the DC.. nothing to do on the tux, since *picogui* has issues |
| 01:19:17 | file | doesn't |
| 01:19:19 | file | gah |
| 01:19:22 | sorphin | file: uh huh |
| 01:19:26 | file | downloading QNX and typing on IRC is irritating |
| 01:19:55 | MonMotha | jeesh abiword is unstable |
| 01:20:04 | cpenguin_home | bad night for open source |
| 01:20:19 | file | tomorrow I may have a wireless network |
| 01:20:41 | cpenguin_home | file: on QNX? |
| 01:20:50 | file | no on Windows |
| 01:20:59 | file | and maybe QNX |
| 01:21:07 | Morn | argh! |
| 01:21:52 | file | 41% done |
| 01:21:57 | file | only 59% to go |
| 01:21:59 | file | groans |
| 01:22:23 | file | I should go to sleep |
| 01:22:59 | file | should, but doesn't mean I will |
| 01:23:17 | | ACTION thwaps file w/ a large trout. |
| 01:23:17 | sorphin | ibot: thwap file |
| 01:23:58 | MonMotha | great...my abiword exectuable doesn't have debugging symbols... |
| 01:24:14 | sorphin | MonMotha: never used it |
| 01:25:16 | file | no soup for you |
| 01:25:23 | Morn | this borders on insane |
| 01:26:42 | sorphin | file: i don't want any soup |
| 01:26:55 | sorphin | Morn: is it running out of mem and the kernel's killing it or what ? |
| 01:27:21 | Morn | nope |
| 01:27:28 | Morn | the windows x server crashes |
| 01:27:41 | Morn | but it only happens when I'm using netscape |
| 01:27:46 | sorphin | weird |
| 01:27:47 | Morn | but no one thing seems to do it |
| 01:28:10 | MonMotha | Morn: what's the server die with? |
| 01:28:14 | MonMotha | error wise |
| 01:28:36 | Morn | MonMotha: just one of those generic windows errors, this program has performed an illegal operation |
| 01:28:44 | MonMotha | OH |
| 01:28:49 | Morn | both machines have a gig of ram |
| 01:28:51 | MonMotha | this is windows, the OS of useless error messages |
| 01:28:54 | Morn | shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:29:12 | MonMotha | "An error has occurred because an error of type 74 has occured." |
| 01:29:16 | MonMotha | I've actually gotten that before |
| 01:29:37 | Morn | I'm using a different windows x server for a while |
| 01:29:38 | MonMotha | thanks, an error occured because an error occured |
| 01:29:41 | Morn | see if it crashes |
| 01:30:04 | Morn | if not I need to talk to the tech guys at starnet |
| 01:36:55 | cpenguin_home | MonMotha: that sounds like my error messages |
| 01:37:03 | cpenguin_home | Except I tend to pepper mine with Simpsons quotes |
| 01:37:26 | MonMotha | "D'oh, the program died!" |
| 01:38:40 | kergoth | MonMotha: windows, the os with useless errors ... and unix, the os with misleading errors :) |
| 01:38:47 | MonMotha | heh |
| 01:39:14 | MonMotha | "Error in kernel32.dll, you must reinstall Windows" |
| 01:39:20 | MonMotha | I've gotten that one too |
| 01:39:26 | kergoth | oh i hate that one |
| 01:40:04 | MonMotha | Linux's errors are at least somewhat humerous |
| 01:40:10 | MonMotha | "Aiee! Killing interrupt handler." |
| 01:40:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:40:23 | MonMotha | I mean, what other OS says "Aiee!" when it dies? :) |
| 01:40:28 | kergoth | i love the tar one .. "Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
| 01:40:32 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 01:40:42 | MonMotha | and the old "route_me_harder" :) |
| 01:40:48 | kergoth | classic |
| 01:41:11 | MonMotha | there's also some driver that says something along the lines of "Damn, no cards found, not loading driver" |
| 01:41:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:41:51 | kergoth | linux man pages are usually amusing as well |
| 01:42:04 | sorphin | don't forget |
| 01:42:06 | MonMotha | yep |
| 01:42:08 | sorphin | printer on fire ;) |
| 01:42:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:42:15 | MonMotha | yes |
| 01:42:40 | cpenguin_home | the doom source code openly curses |
| 01:42:42 | kergoth | code comments are fun |
| 01:42:46 | kergoth | * But wait, there's more... What we're doing here is |
| 01:42:48 | kergoth | * obviously altogether a bad idea. |
| 01:43:15 | MonMotha | gigapet:/usr/src/linux$ grep -i -r fuck * | wc -l |
| 01:43:15 | MonMotha | 43 |
| 01:43:15 | cpenguin_home | in fact, the doom source code has a variable 'fuck' that is used uninitalized |
| 01:43:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:43:22 | MonMotha | not very politically correct though,a re we :) |
| 01:43:45 | kergoth | * Don't believe the specs! Take them, throw them outside. Leave them |
| 01:43:47 | kergoth | * there for a week. Spit on them. Walk on them. Stamp on them. |
| 01:43:49 | kergoth | * Pour gasoline over them and finally burn them. Now think about coding. |
| 01:43:57 | cpenguin_home | spec? |
| 01:43:59 | kergoth | from include/asm-arm/hardware/sa1111.h |
| 01:44:02 | MonMotha | is that on the GNU coding guidelines? |
| 01:44:04 | MonMotha | ah |
| 01:44:08 | cpenguin_home | Ohhh.... you mean the thing that I write after the coding is done |
| 01:44:31 | kergoth | that was regarding errata that openly conflicted with one another on something |
| 01:44:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:47:17 | MonMotha | I love some of the OS/Arch combinations at http://stats.distributed.net/misc/platformlist.php?project_id=5&view=tco |
| 01:47:19 | MonMotha | Netware on ARM? |
| 01:47:25 | MonMotha | AIX on ARM? |
| 01:47:40 | MonMotha | IRIX on 68k |
| 01:47:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:48:02 | MonMotha | MacOS on Sparc |
| 01:48:13 | MonMotha | HP-UX on ARM |
| 01:48:37 | MonMotha | Solaris on PA-RISC |
| 01:49:07 | MonMotha | AIX on MIPS, ALPHA? |
| 01:49:13 | MonMotha | really odd combinations there... |
| 01:49:30 | MonMotha | I mean, if it were NetBSD on everything, I could believe it, but AIX? :) |
| 02:15:19 | cpenguin_home | loves bad mouthing Sigma Designs in #xvid |
| 02:42:59 | cpenguin_home | froo... |
| 02:52:07 | cpenguin_home | bed time |
| 05:43:15 | switchcat | greetings |
| 05:43:30 | switchcat | sorphin awake? |
| 06:13:55 | switchcat | geez.. nobody awake |
| 07:31:18 | switchcat | greetings |
| 08:30:38 | Nermal | lo lo |
| 08:30:42 | Nermal | no ipaq sleeve :( |
| 08:51:18 | switchcat | no ipaq period. :( |
| 08:51:54 | Nermal | :( |
| 09:49:25 | | Russ|werk is chained to this nick, so you don't need to worry about that |
| 09:49:25 | Squart | ibot: Russ|werk |
| 09:50:06 | switchcat | ah durn split |
| 12:51:16 | file | hi andersee |
| 12:51:36 | andersee | morning |
| 12:53:16 | file | I guess no wireless network today |
| 12:53:22 | file | has been waiting for a week darn it |
| 12:54:58 | andersee | file: dribe by my house and you can borrow mine |
| 12:54:59 | andersee | ;-) |
| 12:55:08 | file | can't drive yet |
| 12:56:17 | andersee | ah well |
| 12:57:24 | CosmicPenguin | morning all |
| 12:57:34 | pattieja | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 12:57:45 | file | waves to CosmicPenguin |
| 12:57:53 | CosmicPenguin | waves back |
| 13:01:29 | prpplague | morning guys |
| 13:01:37 | Morn | 'morn |
| 13:01:47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 13:01:48 | file | morning, bleh |
| 13:01:55 | Morn | sings "It's a rotten day in the neighborhood..." |
| 13:02:07 | file | delivery truck not found. |
| 13:02:09 | CosmicPenguin | File, are you mad at your postman again? |
| 13:02:23 | file | yes |
| 13:02:30 | file | I want my wireless network! |
| 13:03:18 | file | understand? |
| 13:04:17 | file | I think I'll go make corn chowder |
| 13:04:18 | file | bbl |
| 13:06:15 | CosmicPenguin | I think the mora of file's story is: When life doesn't give you packages, make corn chowder |
| 13:06:19 | CosmicPenguin | Very life affirming |
| 13:06:45 | file | mmm... good corn chowder it is |
| 13:06:53 | file | CosmicPenguin : the postman hasn't arrived yet |
| 13:07:03 | file | he might have it! |
| 13:10:47 | file | my corn chowder tastes like skunk |
| 13:22:14 | file | hrms |
| 13:23:31 | Nermal_Work | hmmmmm |
| 13:23:38 | Nermal_Work | good skunk? bad skunk? |
| 13:24:00 | Nermal_Work | watches file cling to hope |
| 13:25:33 | file | bad skunk |
| 13:26:23 | Nermal_Work | :| |
| 13:41:34 | scanline | would rather have file's microwave pizza than his corn chowder |
| 13:41:46 | scanline | doesn't think he's ever had corn chowder.. but it sounds very unappetizing |
| 13:44:09 | scanline | yeargh... somehow ./configure managed to get itself into an infinite loop |
| 13:44:27 | file | lol |
| 13:44:56 | file | I'm listening to coding to music... |
| 13:45:05 | scanline | uh oh |
| 13:46:49 | file | 1 hour, 8 minutes. |
| 13:48:17 | file | darn it |
| 13:48:21 | file | I can't get QNX working on the network |
| 13:48:34 | file | mmm brb - rebooting into QNX |
| 13:48:40 | file | will return on droid... |
| 13:49:57 | file | back |
| 14:17:50 | Nermal_Work | wb :) |
| 16:58:52 | prpplague | sjhill: back from california yet? |
| 16:59:20 | sjhill | prpplague: no *sigh* |
| 16:59:28 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 17:04:37 | prpplague | 's head hurts |
| 17:04:50 | prpplague | this ibmpos stuff is just plain insane |
| 17:05:09 | prpplague | zwelch: dude, long time no chat |
| 17:20:05 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 17:41:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:53) |
| 17:48:06 | file | hi mallum |
| 17:49:55 | mallum | hey file |
| 17:52:31 | file | what's up? |
| 17:54:10 | mallum | not a lot :( |
| 17:55:21 | file | oh ic |
| 18:49:41 | sorphin | Morn: re julie |
| 18:49:51 | Morn | re's |
| 18:50:00 | sorphin | shares chinese |
| 18:55:04 | | rumour has it Russ|werk is chained to this nick, so you don't need to worry about that |
| 18:55:04 | Russ|werk | ibot: Russ|werk |
| 18:55:08 | Russ|werk | oh, I see |
| 18:56:38 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:04:34 | | wish i knew, russ|werk |
| 19:04:34 | Russ|werk | ibot: sorphin? |
| 19:05:08 | | sorphin: sorry... |
| 19:05:08 | sorphin | ibot doesn't know me ;) |
| 19:05:18 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:05:37 | | OK, sorphin. |
| 19:05:37 | sorphin | ibot: sorphin is <reply> sorphin is sorphin. |
| 19:28:53 | prpplague | needs a beer |
| 19:29:57 | sorphin | sends over a case |
| 19:30:11 | | ...but ibmpos is IBM Piece Of S#$t... |
| 19:30:11 | prpplague | ibot: ibmpos is a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane |
| 19:30:28 | sorphin | ;) |
| 19:30:30 | | okay, prpplague. |
| 19:30:30 | prpplague | ibot: ibmpos is also a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane |
| 19:32:27 | prpplague | sorphin: thanks for the case |
| 19:35:43 | sorphin | np |
| 19:56:56 | sorphin | Morn: re yet again |
| 19:58:27 | Morn | idiots! |
| 19:58:31 | sorphin | eh? |
| 19:59:05 | Morn | I called xwin32 and reported that netscape causes their xserver to crash |
| 19:59:16 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 19:59:18 | Morn | and the aren't sure they can look into it because it's a beta release of netscape |
| 19:59:33 | Morn | then they want a login to my server to see it in action |
| 19:59:40 | Morn | and they ask me to leave the password blank! |
| 19:59:46 | Morn | on a server on the net! |
| 19:59:56 | Morn | grumbles |
| 20:02:28 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:02:54 | sorphin | doesn't use a windows X server, cept randomly at work, but even then not often |
| 20:04:55 | Morn | I use it quite a bit here |
| 20:05:02 | Morn | since linux WON'T run on this box |
| 20:05:12 | sorphin | why won't it? |
| 20:05:21 | Morn | it hates me? |
| 20:05:34 | Morn | it's a dual athlon with nvidia geforce3 |
| 20:05:39 | Morn | it seems a bad combination |
| 20:05:51 | Morn | X crashes locks up a lot |
| 20:05:57 | Morn | but only in smp mode |
| 20:06:28 | switchcat | greetings |
| 20:06:47 | Morn | hi |
| 20:07:20 | sorphin | weird |
| 20:07:50 | switchcat | hey sorphin... I realize you're a biased party... but I've got a question that I think fits in an area of your expertise... |
| 20:10:12 | sorphin | hmm? |
| 20:10:34 | switchcat | Genuity or Qwest as a GSP for DSL... |
| 20:11:21 | sorphin | how would i be biased on that? *grin* they both suck.. but qwest generally sucks more |
| 20:15:51 | switchcat | hmmm okay thanks |
| 20:15:56 | switchcat | I guess I'll go for genuity |
| 20:17:38 | sorphin | andersee: awake so soon? ;) |
| 20:18:59 | andersee | Been awake since 4am... |
| 20:19:15 | andersee | Was just rebooting to test some stuff... |
| 20:19:58 | Russ|werk | Morn: maybe disable agp? |
| 20:20:10 | Russ|werk | Morn: or tweak the settings |
| 20:20:23 | Morn | Russ|werk: disabling agp would make the graphics useless |
| 20:20:24 | Russ|werk | Morn: course, my new box has a radeon 8500 |
| 20:20:29 | Russ|werk | Morn: not really |
| 20:20:58 | Russ|werk | you tried nvagp vs agpgart? |
| 20:21:00 | Morn | Oh, it doesn't crash if I DON'T use the nvidia kernel driver |
| 20:21:02 | Russ|werk | or vice versa |
| 20:21:07 | Morn | tried both |
| 20:21:11 | Russ|werk | at 1x? |
| 20:21:24 | Morn | I think I tried all the speeds |
| 20:21:28 | file | well that was fun |
| 20:21:33 | file | spent the day trying to get my NIC working in QNX |
| 20:21:48 | file | I think the NE2000 driver doesn't work with it nicely |
| 20:21:55 | Russ|werk | file: does it work yet? |
| 20:21:58 | Morn | The latest Mandrake beta won't even install |
| 20:22:07 | file | Russ|werk : negative |
| 20:22:22 | sorphin | Morn: you using the latest nvidia driver when you try it? |
| 20:22:22 | Russ|werk | Morn: thats why you use debian |
| 20:22:32 | Morn | sorphin: yes |
| 20:22:34 | Russ|werk | Morn: also, raid5 rules if you had 4 ide channels to work with |
| 20:22:48 | Morn | I tried several versions of the drivers |
| 20:22:51 | sorphin | Russ|werk: only if it's hardware ;) |
| 20:22:59 | Morn | I just gave up on it and put XP on the box |
| 20:23:01 | Russ|werk | Morn: you talk to ripperda about it? |
| 20:23:03 | Morn | the OS is just a tool |
| 20:23:06 | Russ|werk | sorphin: no, software raid rules |
| 20:23:16 | Morn | ripperda? |
| 20:23:22 | file | argh my head hurts |
| 20:23:25 | Russ|werk | Morn: the nvidia linux engineer |
| 20:23:35 | Morn | no I didn't |
| 20:23:45 | Russ|werk | he's in #nvidia right now |
| 20:23:56 | Morn | at first I figured it was just more of the AMD/AGP bugs |
| 20:24:02 | Morn | but even the fixes for that didn't help |
| 20:24:19 | sorphin | if it works w/o the nvidia driver, btu w/ the agpgart driver |
| 20:24:19 | Russ|werk | sorphin: on my 80G ide raid5 array, I get 114MB/s block reads with 29% cpu usage |
| 20:24:22 | sorphin | then it's not that bug |
| 20:24:29 | file | is not happy |
| 20:24:35 | sorphin | Russ|werk: heh |
| 20:25:14 | sorphin | Russ|werk: because you're using 5 you're also wasting drives by mirroring |
| 20:25:14 | sorphin | (ok, not wasted if the backup is needed).. |
| 20:25:43 | Russ|werk | ya? so? mirroring means you are twice as likely to lose *all* your data |
| 20:26:01 | Russ|werk | raid5 makes it nearly impossible for that to happen |
| 20:26:17 | sorphin | you just contradicted yourself ;) |
| 20:26:30 | Russ|werk | raid5 isn't mirroring |
| 20:26:32 | Russ|werk | its parity |
| 20:26:54 | sorphin | there has to be some mirroring ;p |
| 20:26:57 | sorphin | if a drive dies |
| 20:27:05 | sorphin | parity isn't gonna recover missing data ;p |
| 20:27:06 | Russ|werk | its a parity type algorithm |
| 20:27:43 | sorphin | anyways |
| 20:27:54 | Russ|werk | its similar to the third drive being paritiy on the first two |
| 20:27:58 | Russ|werk | but more distributed |
| 20:28:24 | Russ|werk | so if any one drive goes bad, you know what the missing bit is |
| 20:28:26 | sorphin | would rather just use the drive for data :P i've yet to lose data because of failed drive(s) |
| 20:28:42 | file | your hurting my head more |
| 20:28:52 | Russ|werk | plus, three drives in raid5 are faster than two drives in raid0 |
| 20:28:56 | sorphin | file: then don't watch ;p |
| 20:29:07 | file | I'm not, I think I'll have a shower and get an advil |
| 20:29:22 | sorphin | Russ|werk: but only 2 of those drives are actually usable for data ;p |
| 20:29:41 | Russ|werk | ok, lets say I was doing raid0 with two drives |
| 20:29:50 | Russ|werk | $72 a peice |
| 20:29:59 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:30:00 | Russ|werk | for $72 more, I get data integrity, and increased speed |
| 20:30:08 | sorphin | hasn't gotten a drive for $72... ever |
| 20:30:14 | Russ|werk | a lot cheaper than a dat drive |
| 20:30:22 | Russ|werk | sorphin: the IBM 120GXP drives are sweet |
| 20:30:46 | sorphin | doesn't trust ibm *xp drives |
| 20:30:58 | sorphin | saw many bad ones on the tivo user side |
| 20:31:04 | sorphin | the 75s sucked |
| 20:31:11 | Russ|werk | its just the 75GXP, and just from one plant |
| 20:31:24 | Russ|werk | and they were easy to RMA anyway |
| 20:31:59 | sorphin | you didn't hear about the lil laptop drives i got that are ibm oems |
| 20:32:01 | sorphin | one works |
| 20:32:20 | sorphin | the other, sounds literally like it's a speaker, and it sounds like a siren, it doesn't spinup, it just makes that noise |
| 20:32:37 | Russ|werk | so, it got damaged in shipping |
| 20:33:03 | sorphin | and it's useless and unsalvageable ;p |
| 20:33:30 | sorphin | anyways |
| 20:33:45 | sorphin | when drives are cheap, i don't need em, when i do, they're pricey ;p |
| 20:34:09 | sorphin | all 4 of my 60s were over $250+ |
| 20:34:14 | Russ|werk | http://www-1.ibm.com/support/manager.wss?rs=0&rt=0&org=hdd&doc=4B1A62A50F405D0D86256756006E340C |
| 20:34:22 | Russ|werk | identify your drive noise :) |
| 20:34:40 | sorphin | the drive thinks it's a speaker ;p |
| 20:35:13 | sorphin | phaser noise |
| 20:35:21 | sorphin | i bet that's it |
| 20:35:44 | Russ|werk | I should make these start up noises on peoples computers |
| 20:35:59 | sorphin | that's it |
| 20:36:07 | sorphin | that's sorta the noise |
| 20:36:17 | sorphin | cept it's longer |
| 20:36:22 | sorphin | and sounds like a siren |
| 20:36:36 | Russ|werk | I like head crash.wav |
| 20:37:35 | sorphin | well, either way |
| 20:37:52 | sorphin | it's a useless drive and i can't get ibm to do squat w/ it |
| 20:38:00 | sorphin | even when it was 'within warranty' |
| 20:38:05 | Russ|werk | have you tried to rma it? |
| 20:38:30 | sorphin | Yes. |
| 20:38:38 | sorphin | it's an OEM they won't touch it |
| 20:38:58 | sorphin | you don't wanna know who the oem is that it's assigned to ;p |
| 20:40:08 | Russ|werk | e-machines? |
| 20:40:45 | sorphin | do the initials PB mean anything? |
| 20:41:28 | Russ|werk | death |
| 20:41:43 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:41:54 | sorphin | then you know what oem i mean then ;) |
| 20:45:16 | Russ|werk | anyway, everything I've read about the 120GXP's has been positive |
| 20:46:02 | sorphin | i thought ibm was outta the drive biz anyways? |
| 20:46:39 | Russ|werk | I sure hope not, because the 120GXP series is great price/performance |
| 20:47:30 | sorphin | they sold off their drive division to somwhere else.. |
| 20:47:37 | sorphin | or spun it off or something |
| 20:47:40 | sorphin | prolly why it works ;p |
| 20:47:54 | sorphin | MonMotha: actually there? |
| 20:50:53 | sorphin | geuss not |
| 20:53:55 | signal11 | hitach |
| 20:53:56 | sorphin | ugh.. i hate how misleading those drive names are.. 120GXP = 40G.. too damn small |
| 20:53:57 | signal11 | i |
| 20:54:04 | sorphin | signal11: eh? |
| 20:54:09 | MonMotha | sorphin: yes I am |
| 20:54:19 | signal11 | ibm is selling their drive division to Hitachi |
| 20:54:44 | sorphin | MonMotha: i got another tunnel (so no i have HE and XS26) |
| 20:54:48 | sorphin | now even |
| 20:55:07 | signal11 | hopefully hitachi won't fuck it all up |
| 20:55:30 | Russ|werk | 120GXP is a series |
| 20:55:30 | sorphin | XS gave me a /64 and looks easier to 'subnet'.. i have my router on ::1, sound about right? |
| 20:55:39 | Russ|werk | so there is a 40G, an 80G, and a 120G |
| 20:55:41 | sorphin | Russ|werk: 40G is too small |
| 20:55:53 | Russ|werk | sorphin: not when you have a raid5 array of three |
| 20:56:08 | sorphin | signal11: um.. they made the SH didn't they? |
| 20:56:19 | sorphin | Russ|werk: well, i don't have *room* for that either ;p |
| 20:56:28 | signal11 | what is the SH |
| 20:56:41 | sorphin | SH3/SH4 |
| 20:56:48 | sorphin | processors |
| 20:56:51 | signal11 | the local cheap PC hardware co has the IBM 120G for $130 |
| 20:56:57 | sorphin | the SH4 is what the dreamcast has |
| 20:56:58 | signal11 | ah, not sure about hitachi's processors |
| 20:57:12 | signal11 | wish i could get linux going on my dreamcast |
| 20:57:20 | signal11 | i got one of the very last ones at toys r us |
| 20:57:24 | sorphin | signal11: that's nice, but there are no decent 'local cheap pc hardware places' here anymore ;p |
| 20:57:31 | signal11 | at least i can play chu chu rockets |
| 20:57:42 | sorphin | signal11: it's easy to get linux or netbsd running on it |
| 20:57:42 | signal11 | sorphin: ah you cant just have it shipped from a pricewatch company |
| 20:57:45 | MonMotha | sorphin: you don't subnet /64s |
| 20:57:51 | MonMotha | NEVER split a /64 |
| 20:57:56 | sorphin | MonMotha: not what i meant |
| 20:58:00 | signal11 | sorphin: even the last revision? do you have a url? |
| 20:58:02 | signal11 | that would rock |
| 20:58:21 | signal11 | my cd-r didn't support XA1 so I couldn't get that boot thingy going |
| 20:58:21 | sorphin | signal11: oh you mean the non cdr booters? |
| 20:58:29 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:58:33 | sorphin | WTF kinda cdr drive |
| 20:58:37 | sorphin | can't brun XA1 |
| 20:58:41 | sorphin | burn |
| 20:58:46 | signal11 | my ancient one |
| 20:58:53 | signal11 | 8x HP |
| 20:58:58 | sorphin | even my plextor x4 can do that |
| 20:59:11 | sorphin | it's simple multisession |
| 20:59:21 | signal11 | that's what cdrecord says |
| 20:59:30 | signal11 | maybe i am using the wrong cmd line switches |
| 20:59:33 | Russ|werk | sorphin: thats why I got this case http://65.119.30.151/productimage/11-180-009-05.JPG |
| 20:59:57 | sorphin | Russ|werk: not what i meant |
| 21:00:13 | sorphin | i have a 7' rack next to me |
| 21:00:20 | sorphin | my main machine is in a 4U case |
| 21:00:51 | sorphin | w/ 2 60s stacked in a 5 1/4" slot |
| 21:01:09 | MonMotha | just brought home "Frankenstein" |
| 21:01:10 | sorphin | MonMotha: i didn't mean litteral subnetting, i meant to sort out their use |
| 21:01:16 | MonMotha | ah, yes |
| 21:01:24 | sorphin | the /64 just ends w/ :: |
| 21:01:30 | sorphin | so it's 1 through... whatever |
| 21:01:32 | Russ|werk | I like having a mid-atx case for lans |
| 21:01:38 | sorphin | erm |
| 21:01:44 | sorphin | scratch that i'm losing my mind |
| 21:01:59 | MonMotha | actually whatever:: - whatever:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff |
| 21:02:00 | sorphin | MonMotha: HE gave me a /64, XS26 gave me a /48 |
| 21:02:01 | Russ|werk | its kindof a bummer to have to do the rack rails thing everything you go somewhere |
| 21:02:16 | MonMotha | a /48 is bigger than a /64 |
| 21:02:24 | Russ|werk | ummm....isn't /32 kinda the max? |
| 21:02:25 | sorphin | well |
| 21:02:32 | sorphin | MonMotha: the prob is |
| 21:02:38 | MonMotha | a /32 is a very large allocation |
| 21:02:38 | sorphin | one is easier to "read" than the other ;p |
| 21:02:39 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: this is on ipv6 |
| 21:02:52 | MonMotha | sorphin: I have a /48 |
| 21:03:00 | MonMotha | 2001:618:424::/48, so I made 2001:618:424:2::/64 for my LAN |
| 21:03:16 | sorphin | ok, hurricane gave me: |
| 21:03:17 | sorphin | 2001:470:1F00:478::/64 |
| 21:04:08 | sorphin | and |
| 21:04:10 | sorphin | xs26 |
| 21:04:11 | sorphin | gave me |
| 21:04:12 | sorphin | 3ffe:80ee:098d::/48 |
| 21:05:37 | MonMotha | you can make a /64 out of a /48 (and you'll have lots more /64s, or bigger)) |
| 21:05:48 | MonMotha | for exmaple, I have a /48, and I gave a friend a /60 tunnel |
| 21:06:13 | sorphin | my brain can only parse xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/?? (ipv4), these things look too much like mac addrs ;p |
| 21:07:14 | MonMotha | heh' |
| 21:07:29 | MonMotha | hum, I need to install my 100GB drive |
| 21:07:38 | sorphin | signal11: you either need to sort that drive out or get a nice cheap newer one ;p |
| 21:07:52 | sorphin | MonMotha: help me out here? :) |
| 21:08:11 | signal11 | sorphin: agreed. is there a definitive dreamcast linux site? |
| 21:08:20 | sorphin | there's a damn linux dist ;) |
| 21:08:27 | signal11 | nice |
| 21:08:43 | sorphin | http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/dreamcast/ |
| 21:11:01 | signal11 | excellent. i think i'll have to dig up my dreamcast |
| 21:11:12 | signal11 | and now i can rationalize a new cd-r |
| 21:11:14 | sorphin | :) |
| 21:12:05 | sorphin | kinda funny, i think places like compuseless are still selling the 200i for $waytoomuch, where on pricewatch it's $360.. heh (the dvd+rw drive) |
| 21:12:58 | sorphin | yup, they still want $449.99 |
| 21:13:00 | sorphin | pathetic |
| 21:13:31 | signal11 | typical, you mean |
| 21:13:38 | sorphin | that too |
| 21:13:52 | sorphin | signal11: as for buying things off pricewatch |
| 21:14:01 | sorphin | it's called waiting for it to be delivered ;p |
| 21:14:15 | sorphin | esp if they'll only go ups gnd ;p |
| 21:14:18 | signal11 | heh gotcha |
| 21:14:20 | sorphin | hates that |
| 21:14:39 | signal11 | you are also no doubt familiar with "profit shipping" |
| 21:14:40 | sorphin | charge it to my damn fedex acct, i don't care, or even use fedex gnd |
| 21:14:57 | sorphin | has accounts w/ both |
| 21:14:59 | sorphin | hmm? |
| 21:15:21 | signal11 | you must be joking; they'll never let you use your fedex account # |
| 21:15:29 | signal11 | if they did that, they would lose 100% of their profit |
| 21:15:37 | sorphin | actually nope |
| 21:15:47 | sorphin | no place i've ever bought from has made $ on shipping |
| 21:15:53 | sorphin | on the product, sure |
| 21:15:56 | sorphin | but not on shipping |
| 21:16:02 | sorphin | knows what shipping rates should be |
| 21:16:08 | sorphin | used to work for UPS |
| 21:16:10 | signal11 | heh, so $20 to ship an SDRAM ups ground isn't profit |
| 21:16:15 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:16:19 | sorphin | i've never paid that |
| 21:16:52 | sorphin | and i've also never bought sdram through the mail ;) |
| 21:16:53 | Russ|werk | newegg.com/www.mwave.com |
| 21:17:02 | sorphin | Russ|werk: eh? |
| 21:17:27 | Russ|werk | they ship parts, very cheap, arrives very fast |
| 21:17:52 | sorphin | has bought from newegg before |
| 21:17:59 | sorphin | that's where i got my athlon motherboard |
| 21:18:04 | Russ|werk | the shipped me a case and two drives for $5 |
| 21:18:19 | sorphin | the prob is |
| 21:18:23 | signal11 | wow i think pricewatch has actually cracked down on profit shipping; the cheapest simm prices actually have free shipping |
| 21:18:24 | sorphin | most places will only do UPS gnd |
| 21:18:30 | signal11 | passes out from shock |
| 21:18:48 | Russ|werk | I'm in arizona..most of these places are in the la/sfo area |
| 21:18:51 | sorphin | HATES ups gnd (since i know how packages are handled), and as well as, having to wait an EXTRA day |
| 21:18:56 | Russ|werk | so ground shipping is very fast |
| 21:19:02 | sorphin | becaus ethey won't leave it |
| 21:19:08 | sorphin | and UPS leaves shiz on their truck |
| 21:19:11 | sorphin | fedex doesn't |
| 21:19:22 | Russ|werk | newegg and mwave ship fedex |
| 21:19:26 | sorphin | and, i've never had a bad package w/ fedex (hence why i bother having accounts w/ em) |
| 21:19:57 | file | twitches |
| 21:20:15 | sorphin | sends a giant hammer over to file and smashes him into nanobits |
| 21:20:41 | file | I can't seem to get QNX setup with my NIC |
| 21:20:57 | sorphin | file: what happened to BeOS? :P |
| 21:21:02 | file | it was black/white :p |
| 21:21:07 | file | cause it didn't have a driver for my display |
| 21:21:11 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:21:18 | sorphin | good luck w/ qnx ;) |
| 21:21:33 | sorphin | it's *VERY* picky about nics (and other cards) |
| 21:21:35 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:21:36 | file | it works fine except my NIC |
| 21:21:41 | file | it's recognized and stuff |
| 21:21:49 | file | but I can't ping this system |
| 21:21:56 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:21:58 | sorphin | go lower ;p |
| 21:22:06 | file | huh? |
| 21:22:07 | sorphin | sees if it's even arping |
| 21:22:08 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:22:11 | sorphin | -s |
| 21:22:39 | file | droid.aloha.com (10.0.0.1) at (incomplete) |
| 21:22:49 | sorphin | nonono |
| 21:22:51 | file | er that was -a |
| 21:22:57 | file | I can't do -s without args |
| 21:23:06 | sorphin | tcpdump and watch for the request(s) |
| 21:23:11 | sorphin | and no shit ;p |
| 21:23:18 | sorphin | that's why you find the mac for your nic |
| 21:23:27 | sorphin | it's on the damn card usually |
| 21:23:30 | file | I did do a tcpdump |
| 21:23:36 | sorphin | and.. |
| 21:23:58 | file | I see a weird request that has no ID |
| 21:24:04 | file | then the normal stuff |
| 21:24:07 | sorphin | gee.. that's vague |
| 21:24:22 | file | it's all 0s :p |
| 21:24:38 | sorphin | paste the fscking thing? :P |
| 21:25:20 | file | I can't paste it... |
| 21:25:35 | sorphin | sighs |
| 21:25:52 | file | this is in a dos window :p |
| 21:25:54 | file | I can't paste from there |
| 21:25:56 | sorphin | BS |
| 21:26:12 | sorphin | highlight, hit enter |
| 21:26:15 | sorphin | it's selected and copied |
| 21:26:19 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:26:22 | file | I can't highlight it you idiot |
| 21:26:42 | sorphin | and why not ? |
| 21:26:48 | file | because it won't let me |
| 21:26:55 | sorphin | not while it's scrolling it won't |
| 21:27:04 | file | still won't |
| 21:27:36 | sorphin | then your dos window sucks, cuz i've always been able to |
| 21:27:37 | file | is in NT4 |
| 21:27:59 | sorphin | umm |
| 21:28:07 | sorphin | done that at work plenty of times in NT4 |
| 21:28:11 | sorphin | no probs |
| 21:28:18 | sorphin | prolly a setting on the dos window ;p |
| 21:28:47 | file | aha there we go |
| 21:28:58 | file | all fixed |
| 21:29:12 | file | 19:35:57.704622 e0:0:e0:0:e0:0 e0:0:e0:0:e0:0 e000 225: |
| 21:29:12 | file | e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 |
| 21:29:12 | file | e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 |
| 21:29:12 | file | e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 |
| 21:29:12 | file | e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 |
| 21:29:12 | file | e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 e000 |
| 21:29:14 | file | e000 |
| 21:29:21 | file | there you go! |
| 21:30:49 | sorphin | and you have lights on this nic? ;p |
| 21:30:56 | file | yes... |
| 21:31:05 | file | the Link light is on :p |
| 21:31:14 | sorphin | activity flash at all? |
| 21:31:16 | file | and the Link light on my other NIC in this system is on |
| 21:31:21 | file | yes |
| 21:31:22 | file | every so often |
| 21:31:29 | sorphin | proper cable? ;p |
| 21:31:46 | file | this works when the laptop is in Windows 95 :p |
| 21:31:51 | file | it's just a crossover cable :p |
| 21:31:52 | sorphin | ok |
| 21:32:07 | sorphin | hey, i don't know you from adam ;p you'd be surprised what i've seen |
| 21:32:17 | file | lol |
| 21:32:28 | sorphin | anyways |
| 21:33:15 | file | yes it's on the right IRQ (Driver) |
| 21:33:21 | sorphin | anything in the arp table under qnx ? and does ifconfig look ok? |
| 21:33:40 | file | I'll type out the output |
| 21:33:55 | sorphin | just answer the Q :P |
| 21:34:28 | file | en0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 |
| 21:34:28 | file | inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 |
| 21:34:36 | file | :p |
| 21:35:01 | sorphin | hates simplisting ifconfigs.. |
| 21:35:21 | sorphin | arp table empty? (don't paste it, just answer) |
| 21:35:27 | file | yes |
| 21:35:33 | file | besides the local loopback |
| 21:35:36 | sorphin | k |
| 21:35:42 | sorphin | um |
| 21:35:56 | sorphin | the loopback shouldn't be in an ARP table ;p |
| 21:36:03 | file | too bad it's there :p |
| 21:36:20 | sorphin | well anyways |
| 21:36:24 | file | aramius.aloha.com (10.0.0.2) at 00:E0:98:00:40:6F permanent published |
| 21:36:34 | sorphin | taht's not loopback |
| 21:36:35 | sorphin | :P |
| 21:36:41 | file | well whatever |
| 21:36:45 | file | :p |
| 21:36:50 | sorphin | there's a big diff |
| 21:36:55 | sorphin | that entry being in there is fine |
| 21:37:02 | file | yes yes yes |
| 21:37:06 | file | continue your diagnosis |
| 21:38:13 | sorphin | well, the fact that neither machine is even getting an arp from eachother, indicates that the qnx side has a prob, driver wise :P cuz even if you can't ping, you should still get valid arp requests |
| 21:38:32 | file | nods |
| 21:38:55 | file | I'm not surprised |
| 21:38:58 | sorphin | that the only "supported" nic you have to try? |
| 21:39:06 | file | I have only 1 NIC |
| 21:39:10 | sorphin | and what variation of qnx you using? |
| 21:39:26 | file | I'm using QNX RTP 6.1.0 |
| 21:40:07 | sorphin | ponders, wait a sec.. you're doing qnx on the laptop? |
| 21:40:14 | file | yes |
| 21:40:31 | sorphin | and this is a pcmcia nic (not internal or minipci).. |
| 21:40:37 | file | yes |
| 21:40:54 | sorphin | isn't surprised then.. |
| 21:41:17 | file | BeOS worked fine - but oh no, QNX didn't |
| 21:41:30 | sorphin | grins |
| 21:41:52 | file | for my NIC that is |
| 21:42:32 | sorphin | faults that it's pcmcia |
| 21:42:41 | file | why would it be pcmcia? |
| 21:43:14 | sorphin | hasn't known of qnx pcmcia support to be great |
| 21:46:31 | sorphin | what you should see would be simlar (dunno if you knew), to: |
| 21:46:32 | sorphin | 17:51:41.199332 arp who-has router1-e0.lab.captainrock.com tell border-core-e0.router.captainrock.com |
| 21:47:20 | file | uh huh |
| 21:47:51 | sorphin | whatever taht thing was that you saw/pasted.. isn't a valid anything that i've ever seen |
| 21:49:47 | Russ|werk | hmmm...valgrind is saying that libX11 is leaking |
| 21:52:41 | Russ|werk | /bin/ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: ELF file OS ABI invalid |
| 21:54:01 | sorphin | eh? |
| 21:54:02 | MonMotha | I guess I'll design this myself... |
| 21:54:09 | MonMotha | anyone have any experience with case design |
| 21:54:10 | MonMotha | ? |
| 21:54:57 | sorphin | nope |
| 21:55:23 | file | bah hum bug I say |
| 21:55:43 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: I designed stuff that goes in a case... |
| 21:56:35 | file | bleh |
| 21:58:39 | sorphin | MonMotha: so.. where wound my addrs start on the /64 just ::1 till.. ::ff ? (and how would i break down the 48?) |
| 21:59:10 | sorphin | the v6 masks are a bit basackwards to me ;p |
| 22:06:56 | CosmicPenguin | grrr..... |
| 22:09:01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 22:11:43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm very angry at hardware engineers right now |
| 22:16:03 | MonMotha | sorphin: it's like CIDR in IPv4 |
| 22:17:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows life at censoft? |
| 22:21:38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: that bad eh? |
| 22:23:05 | CosmicPenguin | hold on a sec - in an imprompto meeting |
| 22:23:43 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, humor me and help me out anyways? :) |
| 22:24:12 | MonMotha | sorphin: for example, say you have the /48: 2001:618:424::/48 (which you don't, as that's mine) |
| 22:24:54 | sorphin | right |
| 22:24:56 | MonMotha | sorphin: and you want to use a /64 to on your wired LAN (eth0), and another /64 on your wireless LAN (eth1) |
| 22:24:59 | sorphin | so use my 48 ;) |
| 22:25:06 | sorphin | taht way it'll make more sense |
| 22:25:07 | prpplague | anyone know of a good single floppy dist that supports nfs |
| 22:25:08 | sorphin | grins |
| 22:25:20 | sorphin | prpplague: nope. unfortunately |
| 22:25:22 | MonMotha | ip addr add 2001:618:424:1::1 dev eth0 |
| 22:25:33 | MonMotha | ip ro add 2001:618:424:1::/64 dev eth0 |
| 22:25:36 | MonMotha | ip addr add 2001:618:424:2::1 dev eth1 |
| 22:25:43 | MonMotha | ip ro add 2001:618:424:2::/64 dev eth1 |
| 22:26:12 | sorphin | k |
| 22:26:38 | sorphin | and that /64 i have, just starts at: 2001:470:1F00:478::1 then and goes to... |
| 22:27:10 | sorphin | ff or fff or ffff ? |
| 22:30:02 | sorphin | re *3 julie *grin* |
| 22:30:41 | Morn | doh! |
| 22:30:57 | Morn | I attempted to install linux on the PC again |
| 22:31:05 | Morn | it hangs during the post install |
| 22:32:34 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:32:51 | Russ|werk | Morn: which distro now? |
| 22:33:03 | Morn | still Mandrake |
| 22:33:11 | Morn | I'm a dedicated Mandrake user |
| 22:33:50 | Morn | the 9.0 beta 3 got further than the previous beta's did |
| 22:34:10 | Morn | it actually installed all the software, but crashed asking for an initial root password |
| 22:34:21 | Russ|werk | its probably trying to use the nvidia binary drivers |
| 22:34:32 | sorphin | prolly |
| 22:35:08 | Morn | it's ok |
| 22:35:21 | Morn | I don't think my printer/scanner is supported by linux anyway |
| 22:35:29 | Morn | and that would be a same to lose |
| 22:36:23 | CosmicPenguin | ok - back |
| 22:36:31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: life at censoft is desperate |
| 22:37:09 | sorphin | Morn: never know, it might useable by sane (i think that's it..) |
| 22:37:26 | Morn | sorphin: last I checked it wasn't on the supported list |
| 22:37:33 | Russ|werk | what scanner is it? |
| 22:37:35 | Morn | the printer wasn't even supported |
| 22:37:51 | Morn | it's a combo Lexmark X83 |
| 22:37:54 | Russ|werk | ew |
| 22:37:56 | Morn | both printer and scanner in one |
| 22:38:00 | Russ|werk | lexmarks suck anyway |
| 22:38:03 | sorphin | hehe |
| 22:38:04 | Morn | it works great |
| 22:38:08 | Morn | in windows |
| 22:38:20 | Morn | and Lexmark has great customer service |
| 22:38:29 | Morn | I had one of their printers die on me |
| 22:38:30 | sorphin | my old scanner (that i haven't used in 200000000000 years) is an old mustek, and the printer is a nice HP laserjet 6l :) |
| 22:38:36 | Russ|werk | now its not just a desposable printer |
| 22:38:38 | Morn | and I called and they replaced it next day air |
| 22:38:41 | Russ|werk | its a disposable scanner too |
| 22:38:44 | file | I think I know why... my PCMCIA NIC won't work in QNX |
| 22:39:00 | sorphin | file: problem between the chair and the keyboard? |
| 22:39:06 | file | negative |
| 22:39:08 | file | it's the PCMCIA |
| 22:39:16 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 22:39:21 | file | the chip used in my NIC is NE2000 compatible all the way |
| 22:39:23 | sorphin | file: um.. didn't i say that? |
| 22:39:34 | file | sorphin: yeah... but do I normally believe you? |
| 22:39:48 | sorphin | shrugs.. that's your problem then |
| 22:40:07 | file | stabs the pccard program |
| 22:40:22 | file | devp-pccard! |
| 22:40:22 | sorphin | has only been working with all this stuff far longer than you :P |
| 22:41:44 | sorphin | anyways |
| 22:41:58 | sorphin | goes back to ignoring file now. |
| 22:47:20 | file | sighs unhappil;y |
| 22:47:25 | file | and QNX looks so nice |
| 23:02:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bad eh? |
| 23:02:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, this ibm crap is driving me nuts |
| 23:02:52 | file | no linux thin client for me! |
| 23:05:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: this geode is driving me nuts |
| 23:05:45 | prpplague | been there, done that |
| 23:06:17 | CosmicPenguin | and to top it all off, everything works very well on the reference platform, its just the actual board that sucks |
| 23:06:25 | prpplague | been there, done that |
| 23:07:36 | sorphin | *2 |
| 23:16:23 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit - I had no idea that it was a 32 bit channel..... I wanted a 16 bit channel |
| 23:19:45 | sorphin | oops |
| 23:21:48 | CosmicPenguin | no matter, it still crashes |
| 23:22:10 | CosmicPenguin | looks around for his dorado serial cable |
| 23:22:15 | CosmicPenguin | can't find it, so he is going home |
| 23:22:19 | CosmicPenguin | buhbye now |
| 23:22:27 | file | it's there! |
| 23:22:34 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Its the weekend. You should see weekending, or something |
| 23:22:36 | file | your sitting on it |
| 23:46:35 | CosmicPenguin | Hello again |
| 23:48:59 | file | waves to CosmicPenguin |
