| 00:01:38 | Aelhaz | ethernet interferes with your tv? that's messed up |
| 00:01:56 | file | yup |
| 00:02:03 | file | it's not indoor CAT5 either... it's outside stuff |
| 00:03:14 | Aelhaz | with the foil around the twisted pairs? |
| 00:03:33 | jacques | break in the shielding? |
| 00:04:25 | Aelhaz | I'm not sure that sheilding does any good, it could do some harm too |
| 00:05:10 | file | oh well |
| 00:05:27 | Aelhaz | here's a tip, tho |
| 00:05:41 | Aelhaz | the outdoor cat5 i have has the foil sheild and it has a steel cable running through it |
| 00:05:47 | Aelhaz | ground the steel cable on one end only |
| 00:05:58 | Aelhaz | that way, the sheild is grounded, and it can't carry a signal |
| 00:05:59 | file | uh huh |
| 00:06:41 | file | conversion of filesystem complete |
| 00:06:51 | file | Installation of NT4 continuing |
| 00:07:03 | Aelhaz | nt4? but why?! |
| 00:07:11 | file | because it's more stable than 95 |
| 00:07:34 | jacques | most things are |
| 00:07:58 | file | :) |
| 00:08:08 | file | ahhh much better |
| 00:08:30 | file | then I have to install Service Pack 6a |
| 00:08:36 | Aelhaz | I've set up some very stable Win95OSR2-OEM boxes |
| 00:08:43 | Aelhaz | every other version of '95 has been a nightmare |
| 00:08:50 | file | I think b is ugly |
| 00:08:54 | file | a never gave me problems |
| 00:09:07 | file | but b... it always has |
| 00:09:40 | jacques | 95 was horribly unstable for me |
| 00:09:44 | jacques | 98 was better |
| 00:09:53 | file | NT4 rocks |
| 00:10:01 | file | not as good as Linux |
| 00:10:04 | file | but it's suitable |
| 00:10:21 | jacques | interestingly, I have never used nt |
| 00:10:48 | file | Note: 95 licenses will work at the install screen ;) |
| 00:11:36 | file | almost done... |
| 00:11:49 | jacques | LOL: CodePoet Consulting is slightly less pleased then usual to announce the immediate availability of uClibc 01029975132 [53267] closed db seen |
| 00:12:43 | cpenguin_home | poor andersee - he's been putting in some serious overtime lately |
| 00:13:34 | file | oh my |
| 00:13:42 | file | NT loaded the MultiProcessor Kernel |
| 00:16:00 | Aelhaz | file: the retail version of 95b gave me trouble, the oem version doesn't. I install 95b-oem and then install ie5 on top of it, I've provided three old (late 486 / early pentium) notebooks to my family with that setup that are golden |
| 00:16:18 | file | mine is OEM |
| 00:17:22 | jacques | heh, andersee released the 3.1.1 toolchain a couple of days before 3.2 was released |
| 00:18:14 | file | Setup is initializing... |
| 00:24:31 | cpenguin_home | ok - the tuxscreen has been reassembled |
| 00:24:50 | Aelhaz | I need to find and reinstall the sheilding on one of mine |
| 00:24:59 | Aelhaz | probably when i go to connect the new jtag dongle |
| 00:25:16 | Aelhaz | Got my parts to put that together today, but it has to wait in line behind some more pressing projects |
| 00:26:19 | cpenguin_home | Aelhaz: is the shielding that important? |
| 00:26:36 | Aelhaz | cpenguin_home: I hear a little noise on one phone and not on the other |
| 00:26:42 | Aelhaz | one of 'em is missing it's sheild |
| 00:26:46 | cpenguin_home | damn |
| 00:26:55 | Aelhaz | some people say it doesn't make a difference |
| 00:26:57 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 00:27:24 | Aelhaz | it could be due to something else - I don't even have these phones straight anymore |
| 00:27:28 | Aelhaz | dunno which one is which |
| 00:27:34 | Aelhaz | for sure, I mean |
| 00:30:44 | cpenguin_home | that desoldering braid is some cools tuff |
| 00:30:56 | cpenguin_home | stuff even |
| 00:31:16 | Aelhaz | it can be a real lifesaver |
| 00:36:01 | Aelhaz | my solder sucker technique is getting better, tho |
| 00:37:55 | pmisfit | sorphin: thanks for the help. but... the gcc commands are identical! one generates a 1636 byte binary, the other a 141556 byte binary! |
| 00:38:13 | pmisfit | methinks this is a question for andersee. |
| 00:38:36 | pmisfit | USE_UCLIBC_TOOLCHAIN:=true |
| 00:38:48 | cpenguin_home | that'll do it |
| 00:39:03 | pmisfit | chuckles. |
| 00:39:33 | cpenguin_home | heads to the gym and then to get a gender bender |
| 00:39:38 | cpenguin_home | is away: off to run |
| 00:39:46 | pmisfit | serious? be there bugs in the toolchain? i would love for someone to tell me they've seen this and know a workaround. |
| 00:40:45 | pmisfit | both are using the uclibc toolchain, tho. the only difference is the linux.config |
| 00:43:13 | pmisfit | is away: to make one more attempt to isolate the problem, then to duplicate it elsewhere before posting to the email list. |
| 00:46:02 | jacques | grr busybox.net is hanging on cvs checkout of dhcpd |
| 00:46:18 | jacques | udhcp that is |
| 00:47:28 | jacques | sigh |
| 00:48:06 | jacques | it hangs right after: cvs server: Updating udhcp/tools |
| 01:02:28 | jacques | still hanging |
| 01:10:11 | jacques | BZFlag: do you know why busybox.net is hanging on cvs checkout of udhcp ? |
| 01:23:59 | BZFlag | nope. try it from cvs.codepoet.org ? |
| 01:25:31 | jacques | hmm will do |
| 01:26:15 | jacques | Unknown host cvs.codepoet.org. |
| 01:27:13 | BZFlag | oh, cvs.busybox.net maps there. |
| 01:57:24 | jacques | ok back on track |
| 01:57:46 | jacques | kinda, until it tries to get tuxphone |
| 02:02:59 | jacques | cool it completed |
| 02:10:46 | file | weird error... |
| 02:18:43 | cpenguin_home | is back (gone 01:39:05) |
| 02:30:40 | cpenguin_home | builds the new release of slypheed-claws |
| 03:14:50 | pmisfit | is now building cvs buildroot on sourceforge compile farm, on freebsd and linux |
| 03:15:39 | pmisfit | i just spent an hour changing 'make' to $(MAKE), and 'cp -a' to 'cp -pf' |
| 03:49:23 | jacques | -pf ? |
| 03:49:59 | jacques | pmisfit: having any luck building x? |
| 04:20:10 | pmisfit | haven't tried x today |
| 04:20:22 | pmisfit | i tried it earlier, with box stock cvs buildroot, and had "issues" |
| 04:20:56 | pmisfit | --target=avr --enable-languages=c,c++ |
| 04:21:07 | pmisfit | /home/nfssucks/cvsbuildroot/build/stage/bin/arm-uclibc-strip |
| 04:21:07 | pmisfit | --remove-section=.c |
| 04:21:29 | pmisfit | damn insert key, still haven't figured it out ;-) |
| 04:22:09 | pmisfit | man, bitchx does NOT like multiline cut and paste... |
| 04:23:28 | pmisfit_bitchx_s | /home/nfssucks/cvsbuildroot/build/root/usr/lib//libX11.so.6.2 |
| 04:23:28 | pmisfit_bitchx_s | /home/nfssucks/cvsbuildroot/build/stage/bin/arm-uclibc-strip |
| 04:23:29 | pmisfit_bitchx_s | --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note |
| 04:23:29 | pmisfit_bitchx_s | --strip-unneeded $file |
| 04:24:08 | pmisfit | looks like $file isn't getting substituted or something. |
| 04:25:47 | pmisfit | wednesday is cross-compile day here at meatball labs... |
| 04:28:33 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:28:47 | sorphin | don't paste it more than once tho ;p |
| 04:32:08 | jacques | pmisfit: I hope to get time to get x compiling again |
| 04:33:12 | jacques | two issues I know of - 1) x config files are out of date due to buildroot dir structure re-org 2) wchar stuff was added to uclibc which conflicts with fake wchar stuff in xfree patch |
| 04:38:01 | pmisfit | cool. seems like you got a handle on it, then. |
| 04:38:41 | pmisfit | i'm only going to be able to test with what's in the standard buildroot |
| 04:39:34 | pmisfit | i.e. linux busybox tinylogin pcmcia netkitbase netkittelnet udhcp lrzsz tuxphone |
| 04:40:05 | sorphin | did microwindows earlier, this time did picogui.. |
| 04:40:25 | pmisfit | cool. |
| 04:40:36 | pmisfit | after that, i really am gonna turn into a pumpkin. |
| 04:40:45 | pmisfit | it's going to be an ugly couple of years... |
| 04:43:51 | sorphin | eh? |
| 05:14:54 | pmisfit | long story. personal free/hacking time about to vanish, dunno when it'll return. |
| 05:15:08 | sorphin | heh, i never have that prob |
| 05:15:14 | sorphin | makes time for his own stuff |
| 05:15:18 | sorphin | only thing that keeps me sane |
| 05:51:47 | sorphin | wtf |
| 05:52:04 | sorphin | damn friggin kernel VM |
| 05:52:26 | sorphin | is gonna change his damn boot script to IMPLICITLY turn on memory overcommit.. grr |
| 06:28:59 | pmisfit | weird. andersee was doing a mkdir in SHARED_LIB_LOADER_PATH, which was /lib. not quite... |
| 06:29:17 | pmisfit | looks like PREFIX should have been DEVEL_PREFIX, or at least that fixes it. |
| 06:35:22 | pmisfit | i just realized i have no idea WHY i am doing this. who cares? |
| 06:47:40 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:47:50 | sorphin | is messing w/ the DC again.. |
| 06:48:49 | scanline | DC? |
| 06:49:04 | sorphin | dreamcast |
| 06:49:11 | scanline | ooh |
| 06:49:16 | scanline | what are you doing? |
| 06:49:26 | sorphin | told erik i'd have it up this week so he can do some sh3/4 testing on it |
| 06:49:28 | scanline | has a dreamcast too, just hasn't had time to write drivers for it lately |
| 06:49:39 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 06:50:02 | sorphin | had to burn a new ipslave cd, no idea where my other one was |
| 06:50:13 | scanline | keeps his in the drive :) |
| 06:51:36 | sorphin | well, i haven't messed w/ this thing since last year |
| 06:51:43 | sorphin | and the last cd i did that to, the cd was toast ;p |
| 06:51:50 | scanline | mine's been idle for a while too |
| 06:52:03 | scanline | I was interested in working on DRI for it's PowerVR chip, but never got around to it |
| 06:52:30 | sorphin | nods |
| 06:52:49 | sorphin | still wishes that original guy that had a linux kernel for it coulda legit released it ;p |
| 06:53:18 | scanline | which guy? |
| 06:53:31 | sorphin | guy worked for a company that was under NDA w/ sega |
| 06:53:37 | scanline | oh |
| 06:53:46 | sorphin | so he couldn't release his code nor legit release the binary |
| 06:53:49 | scanline | Have you seen the latest CVS kernels from the linux-dc project? |
| 06:53:52 | sorphin | he had support for a lot |
| 06:54:09 | sorphin | nope |
| 06:54:12 | scanline | They've got a lot more support than the old m17n (I think that's what it was called) linux CD |
| 06:54:21 | sorphin | other than that "illegal" kernel |
| 06:54:27 | sorphin | i've only booted netbsh |
| 06:54:30 | sorphin | -h+d |
| 06:54:34 | scanline | ah |
| 06:54:47 | scanline | uClibc works on netbsd? |
| 06:54:48 | sorphin | had looked at linux support back then |
| 06:54:52 | sorphin | and it wasn't anything.. |
| 06:55:07 | sorphin | it prolly could, assuming netbsd uses glibc |
| 06:55:29 | scanline | well... I'd think erik would want to test it on linux not on netbsd |
| 06:55:34 | scanline | or on both |
| 06:57:11 | sorphin | i know that :P~ |
| 06:57:30 | scanline | which linux distro will you be using? |
| 06:57:40 | sorphin | was just setting things back up locally, gimme a break ;p |
| 06:57:48 | scanline | sorry :) |
| 06:58:08 | sorphin | heh, i sure hope linuxdc's cvs is more uptodate than their page on sf |
| 06:58:17 | scanline | the linux-dc kernel is pretty good, but there's zero documentation on setting it up and the patch system they use is not at all obvious |
| 06:58:43 | scanline | It's been so long I forget, so you'll have to bug mrbrown in #linuxdc about it |
| 06:58:59 | sorphin | heh, there's all of 3 ppl in there |
| 06:59:01 | scanline | or just use a really old precompiled kernel :) |
| 06:59:03 | scanline | yea |
| 07:02:13 | sorphin | atleast netbsd has a kernel from may ;p |
| 07:04:13 | scanline | how good's the hardware support for netbsd on dreamcast? |
| 07:04:21 | scanline | I've only tried netbsd once, on an old Mac |
| 07:04:34 | sorphin | supports the maple, the bba, etc.. |
| 07:04:36 | scanline | It wasn't bad, but a lot slower than linux for most things |
| 07:04:46 | scanline | How good's the video support? |
| 07:04:52 | scanline | does it have sound? |
| 07:04:55 | sorphin | erm |
| 07:05:02 | sorphin | no clue |
| 07:05:05 | scanline | k |
| 07:05:14 | sorphin | doesn't need fancy video/sound.. |
| 07:05:45 | sorphin | so you have a semi recent dc kernel? :P |
| 07:05:59 | scanline | I dunno if I still have it on this hard disk.. lemme check |
| 07:06:42 | scanline | aha. Still got it in my backups |
| 07:07:29 | sorphin | :) |
| 07:07:31 | scanline | think I found the right kernel... want me to DCC it? |
| 07:07:40 | sorphin | sure |
| 07:07:40 | scanline | I could just tar up all my dreamcast stuff, but that might be big |
| 07:07:44 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:07:47 | scanline | or even better, I could stick the whole lot on my web server |
| 07:07:47 | sorphin | how big ? |
| 07:07:58 | scanline | runs du |
| 07:08:10 | sorphin | is on a decent speed link, so... |
| 07:08:28 | scanline | this prolly has a lot of useless stuff, but then again there's a lot of useful stuff too |
| 07:08:40 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:08:48 | scanline | still counting the size :) |
| 07:09:29 | scanline | yaknow, this would be faster if I ran it on my server instead of over nfs... |
| 07:09:36 | sorphin | hehe |
| 07:09:39 | sorphin | prolly :P |
| 07:10:06 | sorphin | modified his bootscripts to implicitly turn on overcommit :P |
| 07:10:11 | scanline | it's on 1000baseT, so the performance on big files is pretty good.. but it still sucks ar reading directory trees |
| 07:10:22 | scanline | overcommit? |
| 07:10:31 | sorphin | has 1.5G of memory, and it did a KILL after it used up all "Free" mem instead of digging into it's fscking CACHE it wastes |
| 07:10:40 | sorphin | overcommit_memory |
| 07:10:57 | sorphin | 2.4's useless VM just loves to kill processes here |
| 07:11:18 | sorphin | Aug 22 01:56:57 giga kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 31381 (mozilla-bin). |
| 07:11:34 | scanline | heh.. weird |
| 07:11:49 | sorphin | find used up all 2xxM of remaining free, and instead of the allocating from the 'cache' |
| 07:11:57 | sorphin | the VM killed something |
| 07:11:57 | scanline | sorphin: all my DC stuff is 1.3GB |
| 07:12:04 | sorphin | scanline: that compressed? :P |
| 07:12:08 | scanline | nope |
| 07:12:14 | scanline | I'll bzip it up and see how big it is |
| 07:12:19 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:12:48 | sorphin | bets his dc looks slightly diff from yours ;) |
| 07:12:50 | sorphin | grins |
| 07:13:01 | scanline | modified it? |
| 07:13:05 | sorphin | purty blue led ;) |
| 07:13:21 | scanline | my DC is standard, but I bet I have you beat for desktop case mods :) |
| 07:13:33 | sorphin | prolly |
| 07:13:36 | sorphin | doesn't do those |
| 07:13:46 | scanline | well, mine isn't just for looks |
| 07:13:50 | scanline | I can do music visualization on it :) |
| 07:13:52 | sorphin | has a 7' rack next to him, so ner ;p |
| 07:14:03 | scanline | aww, I want a rack |
| 07:14:12 | sorphin | it's pretty full too |
| 07:14:23 | scanline | http://blinkenlights.sf.net <-- my box |
| 07:15:04 | sorphin | oh, btw |
| 07:15:06 | scanline | I have a pretty sweet RAID here.. not in a rack though |
| 07:15:11 | sorphin | compiled buildroot this time w/ picogui |
| 07:15:18 | sorphin | bad result ;p |
| 07:15:23 | scanline | I'm almost entirely sure the picogui support in buildroot is broke |
| 07:15:29 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:15:44 | sorphin | after it booted |
| 07:15:45 | sorphin | 163 root Z [pgserver] |
| 07:15:46 | scanline | need to fix that up... but I haven't done much with the tuxscreen lately |
| 07:15:49 | sorphin | wouldn't go away |
| 07:15:55 | sorphin | just respawned as a Z |
| 07:15:59 | scanline | hah, I never saw that before... |
| 07:16:11 | sorphin | and the main console kept bitching about unable to reset the keyboard |
| 07:16:34 | sorphin | didn't do that on the last build w/ microwin ;) |
| 07:16:47 | scanline | Yeah, prolly because microwin is maintained on the tux... |
| 07:16:59 | scanline | I haven't done anything with it recently, and I suppose neither has anyone else |
| 07:17:02 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:17:15 | sorphin | needs to do more w/ his 2 VFDs |
| 07:17:27 | scanline | BGmicro? |
| 07:17:29 | sorphin | aye |
| 07:17:33 | sorphin | cased one |
| 07:17:37 | scanline | has some of those too.. they're sweet |
| 07:17:42 | sorphin | the other is cardboard mounted.. |
| 07:17:44 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:17:50 | sorphin | wrote a program for it |
| 07:18:01 | sorphin | ./prt2vfd |
| 07:18:08 | scanline | I was going to add VFD/LCD support to a new version of my case lights controller, but haven't had time to write the firmware for it |
| 07:18:24 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:18:35 | scanline | still tarring... |
| 07:18:37 | sorphin | dunnos why linux's serial support crap is well, crap ;) |
| 07:18:55 | sorphin | has to minicom the serial port before my program (or inferno) can touch it |
| 07:18:57 | scanline | my RAID isnt' all that fast |
| 07:19:02 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:19:19 | scanline | RAID-5.. so when one of my cheapo IBM deskstars goes poof I don't lose any data |
| 07:19:25 | sorphin | hehe |
| 07:19:47 | sorphin | has 2 ibm drives.. that i bought from ebay (laptop drives) one works, the other literally makes a siren noise |
| 07:19:51 | sorphin | not sure what's up w/ that |
| 07:19:58 | scanline | haha |
| 07:20:05 | sorphin | is serious |
| 07:20:16 | sorphin | it's like it has a speaker in it |
| 07:20:27 | sorphin | you give it power, clicks a couple times, and sirens |
| 07:20:38 | sorphin | is sol cuz they're PB oems |
| 07:20:38 | scanline | laptop drives usually get louder over time.. but not that loud |
| 07:20:42 | sorphin | umm |
| 07:20:47 | sorphin | no, you don't understand |
| 07:20:53 | sorphin | this isn't spinning |
| 07:20:59 | scanline | OH... |
| 07:21:01 | sorphin | this is literally like i had a speaker sitting there |
| 07:21:02 | scanline | that really sucks |
| 07:21:11 | sorphin | w/ a siren sound |
| 07:21:17 | sorphin | has *no* idea how it's doing that |
| 07:21:27 | sorphin | btw, mini flood: |
| 07:21:28 | sorphin | Usage: prt2vfd [-i] [-C] [-c0/1] [-s0/1] [-B0-7] [-b0/1] [-S0/1] [<text>] |
| 07:21:28 | sorphin | -i Software Reset the VFD |
| 07:21:28 | sorphin | -D DEBUG MODE (don't really output to the VFD) |
| 07:21:28 | sorphin | -C Clear the VFD Display and return cursor to Home position |
| 07:21:29 | sorphin | -c [0/1] Turn the cursor off/on |
| 07:21:29 | scanline | maybe the heads? |
| 07:21:30 | sorphin | -s [0/1] Set the scrolling mode to Horizontal/Vertical |
| 07:21:32 | sorphin | -B [0-7] Set the VFD Display brightness 0=Bright, 7=Dim |
| 07:21:34 | sorphin | -b [0/1] Unblank/Blank the VFD Display |
| 07:21:36 | sorphin | -S [0/1] Turn Off/On the Screen Saver Mode |
| 07:21:38 | sorphin | -t [0/1] Turn Off/On the Self Test Mode |
| 07:21:40 | sorphin | <text> Whatever you want to output to the VFD |
| 07:22:00 | sorphin | simple, but works |
| 07:22:02 | scanline | I should prolly mount my VFD just so it has something to do until I finish that firmware |
| 07:22:11 | sorphin | yeah |
| 07:22:18 | sorphin | the one that has a case |
| 07:22:20 | sorphin | took a while |
| 07:22:35 | scanline | I'd just cut a hole in a piece of plastic and bolt it on |
| 07:22:39 | sorphin | hehe |
| 07:22:44 | sorphin | well, this is an actual case |
| 07:22:47 | scanline | hang it on the wall... |
| 07:22:56 | scanline | I have a 40x4 LCD on my wall right now |
| 07:22:58 | sorphin | the other one is a bastardized box |
| 07:23:15 | sorphin | has been trying to do scrolling lyrics |
| 07:23:18 | sorphin | but it doesn't wanna cooperate |
| 07:23:25 | scanline | haha.. I had a bunch of Atari ROMs in this directory |
| 07:23:29 | scanline | so I guess you'll get those too |
| 07:23:50 | scanline | lots of crap... binutils source tree |
| 07:24:05 | switchcat | greetings |
| 07:24:10 | sorphin | switchcat: allo |
| 07:24:14 | scanline | my upstream bandwidth kinda sucks so it might take a while to send |
| 07:24:16 | scanline | hi switchcat |
| 07:24:27 | sorphin | you're lucky i can ignore that domain in your host entry, switch ;) |
| 07:24:33 | scanline | yeek |
| 07:24:41 | scanline | sorphin: thanks for pointing it out >:) |
| 07:24:55 | switchcat | yeah but you know something others don't, sorph. :P |
| 07:25:16 | sorphin | switchcat: yeah, we provide facilities for BBN Saturn |
| 07:25:28 | sorphin | which provides for AOL :P |
| 07:25:43 | switchcat | Besides that.. |
| 07:25:46 | sorphin | grins |
| 07:25:46 | scanline | like being apprentice to the Devil's butler... |
| 07:25:56 | sorphin | does something fun |
| 07:27:57 | sorphin | waits for OPN's ident thing to time out |
| 07:28:23 | sorphin | scuse "freenode" :P |
| 07:28:50 | sorphin | grins |
| 07:29:00 | [sorphin] | waves to himself ;p |
| 07:29:29 | [sorphin] | too bad i can't BX from a backbone router :P that's look real good in my hostmask ;p |
| 07:30:00 | pmisfit | oh, i found the problem. i am a bozo. CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO in the kernel was NOT a good idea... |
| 07:30:08 | [sorphin] | pmisfit: oops :P |
| 07:30:29 | pmisfit | pounds head against wall |
| 07:30:38 | [sorphin] | makes sure it's cinderblock |
| 07:30:54 | scanline | sorphin: still tarring |
| 07:30:54 | pmisfit | i find brick is better |
| 07:31:10 | [sorphin] | scanline: nod |
| 07:31:20 | scanline | oh wait, no it isn't :) |
| 07:31:31 | scanline | just finished |
| 07:31:35 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/public/projects/dreamcast-junk.tar.bz2 |
| 07:31:40 | scanline | 328MB |
| 07:31:41 | sorphin | how big bzip2'd? |
| 07:31:47 | sorphin | cool |
| 07:31:50 | sorphin | tolerable |
| 07:31:53 | scanline | yay for bzip |
| 07:31:58 | scanline | bzip2 even |
| 07:32:05 | sorphin | yay for compressible text ;) |
| 07:32:52 | sorphin | beats up your upstream link ;) |
| 07:33:34 | scanline | sorphin: there's already someone downloading anime off it, so it will be doubly beat up |
| 07:33:42 | sorphin | kick em off ;p |
| 07:33:47 | scanline | nah, he's a friend |
| 07:33:50 | sorphin | bah |
| 07:34:11 | scanline | In a day or two I'll be back at my university 100baseT link |
| 07:34:22 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:34:29 | sorphin | has to be doing atleast 20K/sec |
| 07:34:55 | sorphin | which is low for me ;) |
| 07:34:55 | switchcat | In a couple of weeks I'll probably have DSL but I've been thinking I have no real need for it, lately. |
| 07:35:04 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:35:10 | sorphin | syncs up at the max he can |
| 07:35:15 | sorphin | 1536/160 |
| 07:35:37 | sorphin | well, i could get 6M dsl, but that'd be pointless |
| 07:35:40 | scanline | sorphin: I have an rsync server running too, if that's better |
| 07:35:51 | sorphin | i just wish i had better upstream |
| 07:35:55 | sorphin | scanline: it is ;) |
| 07:36:10 | sorphin | esp since i'm sure andrew would be glad i'm still using it ;) |
| 07:36:40 | scanline | sorphin: should be the same URL, just rsync:// instead of http:// |
| 07:36:45 | sorphin | k |
| 07:37:25 | sorphin | doh |
| 07:37:31 | sorphin | inflate returned -3 (0 bytes) 0:00:11 |
| 07:37:31 | sorphin | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at token.c(416) |
| 07:37:31 | sorphin | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (85 bytes read so far) |
| 07:37:31 | sorphin | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150) |
| 07:37:39 | sorphin | dammit.. he's not on atm either.. |
| 07:37:47 | scanline | hum... |
| 07:37:52 | sorphin | tries another methond |
| 07:37:52 | sorphin | -n |
| 07:37:58 | sorphin | what version rsync you running? |
| 07:38:16 | scanline | rsync version 2.5.6cvs protocol version 26 |
| 07:38:21 | sorphin | k |
| 07:40:03 | sorphin | yup, bout 30k/sec |
| 07:40:09 | scanline | good |
| 07:40:33 | scanline | once I'm back at school I'll be running rsync and SSH only (http is too likely to get noticed by the powers that be) |
| 07:40:39 | sorphin | hehe |
| 07:40:43 | sorphin | never had that prob |
| 07:40:53 | scanline | well.. we have awesome bandwidth though |
| 07:41:09 | scanline | I've pulled 6MB/s from the net frequently |
| 07:41:15 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:41:29 | scanline | and it's symmetric :) |
| 07:41:32 | sorphin | maxes at 165K/sec (bytes) |
| 07:41:47 | scanline | They capped my bandwidth once.. but I just changed IPs and it was good again |
| 07:41:54 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:41:56 | sorphin | well, this isn't a cap |
| 07:42:13 | sorphin | that the max for my type of port on the dslam |
| 07:42:15 | scanline | It's annoying that they let all these people run P2P clients with no problem, but you try to run a mail server and they get mad |
| 07:42:20 | sorphin | is only "guaranteed" 384, so.. |
| 07:42:25 | scanline | well, that's good at least |
| 07:42:40 | sorphin | is 2 blocks away from it |
| 07:42:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:43:01 | sorphin | tis a remote dslam |
| 07:43:17 | sorphin | morning russ |
| 07:43:26 | scanline | has too much video on his server... |
| 07:43:32 | sorphin | scan as if ;) |
| 07:43:36 | Russ | evening sorphin |
| 07:43:40 | sorphin | i'll show you video ;) |
| 07:43:40 | scanline | I think I'm using like 26GB for star trek tng episodes |
| 07:43:46 | scanline | hi Russ |
| 07:43:53 | Russ | hey scanline |
| 07:44:01 | sorphin | scanline: [root@giga ~/video/completed]# |
| 07:44:02 | scanline | sorphin: how much storage do you have? |
| 07:44:03 | sorphin | 40G . |
| 07:44:21 | sorphin | 2 60s |
| 07:44:40 | scanline | micah@yoshi:/navi/public/media$ du -sh anime movies series videoclips |
| 07:44:41 | scanline | 9.9G anime |
| 07:44:41 | scanline | 16G movies |
| 07:44:41 | scanline | 43G series |
| 07:44:41 | scanline | 845M videoclips |
| 07:44:42 | sorphin | plus another 60 on wibble |
| 07:44:59 | sorphin | ./dev/hda1 59G 56G 3.5G 94% / |
| 07:45:03 | sorphin | wibble:/bigdrive 61G 14G 47G 23% /bigdrive |
| 07:45:11 | scanline | has that beat ;) |
| 07:45:16 | scanline | navi:/navi 453G 298G 133G 70% /navi |
| 07:45:27 | sorphin | that's raid tho, so it's cheating ;) |
| 07:45:32 | scanline | haha |
| 07:45:35 | scanline | yeah |
| 07:45:38 | scanline | 5x 120GB drives in a RAID-5 |
| 07:45:40 | Russ | scanline: I'm guessing lain is included? |
| 07:45:53 | scanline | Russ: Yep |
| 07:46:10 | scanline | Russ: I've had it on DVD for a while.. just a couple days ago I made some high quality DivXes of it |
| 07:46:26 | scanline | about 200MB per episode |
| 07:46:35 | Russ | ah, the divx's I've found aren't that high quality |
| 07:46:38 | Russ | 1.6G total |
| 07:46:40 | sorphin | scanline: btw.. all that video is from a tivo |
| 07:46:47 | scanline | sorphin: oh |
| 07:46:57 | scanline | sorphin: mine is either from DVD or downloaded |
| 07:47:00 | sorphin | so it's all mpeg2, not divx |
| 07:47:06 | sorphin | has -0- divx |
| 07:47:25 | scanline | Russ: if you want 'em, you can share my upstream with sorphin :) |
| 07:47:32 | sorphin | scanline: hey now |
| 07:47:44 | sorphin | has 3hr 6 mins to go ;p |
| 07:47:50 | scanline | my CPU's busy transcoding Evangelion now |
| 07:48:08 | scanline | err wait.. right now it's on Simpsons |
| 07:48:09 | Russ | scanline: giFT? |
| 07:48:17 | scanline | Russ: what's that? |
| 07:48:32 | Russ | file sharing network, gpl and such |
| 07:48:37 | sorphin | no |
| 07:48:38 | scanline | oh, that's cool |
| 07:48:41 | scanline | googles |
| 07:48:51 | Russ | about 500 users right now, ~10GB/user |
| 07:48:55 | sorphin | watches the rsync stream along |
| 07:49:11 | scanline | I should probably wait to try it until sorphin's download finished, for my own safety ;) |
| 07:49:21 | sorphin | ;) |
| 07:49:55 | sorphin | scanline: or i'll make you sit on AOL like switchcat ;) |
| 07:50:00 | scanline | noooooo |
| 07:50:08 | scanline | a punishment worse than 28.8! |
| 07:50:12 | sorphin | on *dialup* |
| 07:50:20 | sorphin | on the worst pool they have ;) |
| 07:50:25 | scanline | nooo |
| 07:50:34 | scanline | hugs his craptacular AT&T cable |
| 07:50:43 | sorphin | is sick of these "give up you aol dialup for MSB broadband" commercials |
| 07:50:49 | sorphin | MSN even |
| 07:50:58 | scanline | joins LSB broadband |
| 07:51:08 | sorphin | and as for M$'s "intellispeed" |
| 07:51:14 | sorphin | it's called a web cache ;p |
| 07:51:18 | scanline | hehehe |
| 07:51:32 | Russ | joins LPB broadband |
| 07:51:35 | scanline | I saw one of those ads once.. Figured they tweaked their TCP/IP buffers a bit and gave it a fancy name |
| 07:51:59 | switchcat | I'm on compuserve, actually. |
| 07:52:10 | sorphin | sentences Russ to.... being lilo's pet ;p |
| 07:52:13 | switchcat | not to mention, I'm on compuserve, and have it free this month and next. |
| 07:52:18 | Russ | ack! |
| 07:52:28 | scanline | compuserve? |
| 07:52:31 | scanline | they got bought by AOL? |
| 07:52:36 | switchcat | yes... ages ago! |
| 07:52:39 | sorphin | Compu$pend |
| 07:52:54 | scanline | Compu-why-the-heck-not-a-real-ISP |
| 07:53:12 | sorphin | tried prodigy for free once back in his old days |
| 07:53:15 | switchcat | it was like.. when H&R block sold compuserve it was in the ramping up of great popularity of net and you sit there and go "what the heck are they thinking??" |
| 07:53:29 | sorphin | would NEVER use anything but a real connection now, after having run an ISP myself |
| 07:53:38 | switchcat | I've actually found AOL & compuserve dialups to be _very_ good |
| 07:53:47 | sorphin | switchcat: ;) |
| 07:53:49 | scanline | will never use a public mailserver now that he's had his own for so long |
| 07:53:54 | sorphin | you're using our backbone ;p |
| 07:54:08 | switchcat | it will let me sit on the system without knocking me off, for quite a long time... |
| 07:54:23 | switchcat | even when I'm nowhere near the computer for hours and hours and hours.. |
| 07:54:24 | sorphin | switchcat: i could make a call and change that ;) |
| 07:54:33 | scanline | switchcat: I've been on the same IP address for about 3 months |
| 07:54:46 | switchcat | scanline - on dialup? :P |
| 07:54:52 | sorphin | scanline: i've been on the same ip addr.. for years |
| 07:55:02 | sorphin | switchcat: i have on dialup before ;) |
| 07:55:10 | sorphin | it's called requesting a static ip ;) |
| 07:55:14 | scanline | sorphin: well, I have go between school and home... |
| 07:55:41 | sorphin | hasn't had a dynamic ip in a good.. few years or so |
| 07:55:43 | scanline | but it changes so infrequently that I can use a normal DNS, not one of those cheesy dynamic DNS things |
| 07:55:54 | sorphin | grins |
| 07:56:05 | sorphin | offers an alias under hackers-anonymous.org? ;) |
| 07:56:08 | sorphin | grins |
| 07:56:15 | scanline | is happy with navi.picogui.org |
| 07:56:35 | sorphin | nods |
| 07:56:42 | sorphin | has 5 diff domains to play w/.. |
| 07:56:48 | sorphin | which reminds me.. |
| 07:56:58 | scanline | I only have one, and I paid $15/year for it :P |
| 07:57:11 | sorphin | i really need to talk to bell about giving me IN-addr.arpa authorization |
| 07:57:22 | sorphin | scanline: i pay $8.95/year |
| 07:58:13 | sorphin | doesn't think bell could really argue this, since i AM the listed contact on the Arin record.. |
| 07:58:14 | sorphin | i wonder |
| 07:58:35 | scanline | what do you need IN-addr.arpa authorization for? |
| 07:58:42 | sorphin | ah.. ole dotster.. i used to use them |
| 07:58:50 | sorphin | changed to godaddy a ways back |
| 07:59:02 | sorphin | scanline: umm.. i run a live network |
| 07:59:07 | scanline | yeah... their servers were flaky for a while and I almost switched, but they've been pretty good recently |
| 07:59:17 | sorphin | and it's a pita when my rev doesn't match foward |
| 07:59:19 | sorphin | +r |
| 07:59:21 | scanline | sorphin: I don't understand DNS that well |
| 07:59:29 | scanline | sorphin: ahh.. |
| 07:59:31 | scanline | that makes sense |
| 07:59:41 | sorphin | points to his 'whois' here |
| 07:59:47 | sorphin | | sorphin (sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) (Internic Network) |
| 07:59:59 | switchcat | I like stargateinc.com for domains... cheap, and good, clear policies.. |
| 07:59:59 | sorphin | it's in actuality, giga.captainrock.com |
| 08:00:04 | scanline | wonders if sorphin could fix his reverse too ;) |
| 08:00:26 | sorphin | scanline: eh? |
| 08:00:49 | sorphin | switchcat: cheap, etc here too w/ godaddy (i've had no probs) |
| 08:00:52 | scanline | my whois gives a .client.attbi.com, but I'm at navi.picogui.org right now |
| 08:01:01 | sorphin | ahh |
| 08:01:06 | sorphin | no, i couldn't help you |
| 08:01:23 | scanline | I figured changing the reverse wouldn't be something the ISP would like |
| 08:01:23 | sorphin | you have to be the owner of your ip block |
| 08:01:33 | sorphin | is the owner of his ip block |
| 08:01:37 | sorphin | and actually |
| 08:01:47 | sorphin | if i wanted, i could assimiate up to a full C |
| 08:01:53 | sorphin | +l |
| 08:02:04 | sorphin | but i have no use for that many ips that aren't portable |
| 08:02:10 | scanline | wonders how many IP addresses his school will let him use... |
| 08:02:34 | sorphin | scanline: NETBLK-SBCIS-101131-182210 |
| 08:02:34 | scanline | there's a class C for the building, and far less than 255 people in it.. I've used like 4 IPs before with no problem |
| 08:02:40 | sorphin | that's my arin block ID |
| 08:03:11 | sorphin | only thing i hate |
| 08:03:15 | sorphin | is they have to steal one of my ips |
| 08:03:21 | sorphin | but i'll live |
| 08:03:22 | switchcat | yeah some local folks here were talking about getting an arin or was that an ASN? Ahhh I forget.. |
| 08:03:27 | sorphin | ASN |
| 08:03:32 | sorphin | Autonomous System Number |
| 08:03:38 | sorphin | used for BGP peering |
| 08:03:40 | scanline | how much do IPs cost? |
| 08:03:55 | sorphin | depends on your upstream provider |
| 08:04:02 | sorphin | they're the ones who delegate it |
| 08:04:02 | scanline | buys a class A and uses it to take over the world >:) |
| 08:04:22 | sorphin | you don't wanna know how much addr space i've seen wcom waste ;p |
| 08:04:34 | sorphin | will be glad when IPv6 is more mainstream |
| 08:04:35 | scanline | prolly not as much as MIT wastes |
| 08:04:43 | sorphin | already has a /48 and a /64 |
| 08:04:57 | sorphin | scanline: they use public ips on the intranet ;p |
| 08:05:03 | switchcat | I'm waiting for IPv10 when I can have an IP for each of my molecules. |
| 08:05:21 | sorphin | umm |
| 08:05:26 | sorphin | switchcat: you do realize |
| 08:05:26 | scanline | pings random switchcat molecules |
| 08:05:40 | sorphin | that a /64 is more ips than you'd ever comprehend of using |
| 08:05:49 | sorphin | :) |
| 08:06:10 | switchcat | sorphin - I lost count when I was counting my molecules, maybe I don't need that many... |
| 08:06:15 | sorphin | well |
| 08:06:18 | switchcat | but I guess if I wanted an IP for each of my atoms... |
| 08:06:18 | sorphin | if memory serves |
| 08:06:20 | scanline | allocates an IPV6 IP for each possible encryption key, so he has to ssh into the right one to get in his server |
| 08:06:23 | sorphin | IPv6 is 128 bit |
| 08:06:34 | sorphin | and |
| 08:06:37 | sorphin | that's approx |
| 08:06:38 | sorphin | 2^80 |
| 08:06:38 | sorphin | 1208925819614629174706176 |
| 08:06:39 | sorphin | addresses |
| 08:07:09 | sorphin | it's 4am so i could be slightly off |
| 08:07:23 | sorphin | scanline: 50M and counting |
| 08:07:36 | scanline | faster, cable, faster! |
| 08:07:41 | sorphin | hehe |
| 08:07:49 | sorphin | charter just upped the upstream BW to 256k |
| 08:08:00 | sorphin | not like you can't change it tho ;p |
| 08:08:11 | sorphin | cheap ass docsis crap is so easy to manipulate ;) |
| 08:08:22 | scanline | gonkulator was talking to someone from AT&T on the bus yesterday and he said they mentioned they'll be upgrading the upstream here soon |
| 08:08:32 | sorphin | is used to be 128k |
| 08:08:35 | scanline | not like it will matter for me, since I'll be in college and my parents don't care about upstream |
| 08:08:41 | sorphin | and a guy that i work on tivo crap w/ |
| 08:08:53 | sorphin | changed his upstream to 256k |
| 08:09:06 | sorphin | course, not long after, charter cut his cable ;) |
| 08:09:13 | sorphin | cuz he wasn't tftping from them anymore |
| 08:09:16 | sorphin | and they noticed |
| 08:09:26 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:09:30 | Russ | ipv6 allocation is very different |
| 08:09:41 | sorphin | Russ: yeah |
| 08:09:53 | Russ | once everything is setup, its supposed to be mainly automatic, and not a big need for a central authority |
| 08:10:00 | sorphin | Russ: exactly |
| 08:10:34 | sorphin | Stateless Autoconfig |
| 08:11:07 | sorphin | has 2 ipv6 links.. but i don't have an AS, so i can't bgp peer.. bah ;p |
| 08:11:46 | sorphin | may damn internal network is already bgp :P i'd like to be seamless |
| 08:11:48 | Russ | apt-get installs the gnome2 gnumeric version |
| 08:11:55 | Russ | bgp? |
| 08:12:00 | sorphin | grins |
| 08:12:05 | sorphin | Border Gateway Protocol |
| 08:12:17 | Russ | which means... |
| 08:12:18 | sorphin | backbone routing/peering protocol |
| 08:12:54 | sorphin | is a unix/linux + network/routing + ee boy |
| 08:13:08 | sorphin | so i'm known to talk about varying topics |
| 08:13:09 | sorphin | grins |
| 08:13:23 | sorphin | your upstream provider |
| 08:13:32 | sorphin | is talking bgp to their upstream's router |
| 08:13:41 | Russ | so you are basically part of the routing decisions |
| 08:13:47 | switchcat | hmm so is there any reason I should pay $40-50 for DSL ? |
| 08:13:55 | sorphin | switchcat: i pay $79 |
| 08:13:56 | switchcat | any +good |
| 08:14:11 | sorphin | heh. i have it for stablity and speed |
| 08:14:18 | Russ | switchcat: here, cox offers cable service for low price, + big downstream pip |
| 08:14:18 | Russ | e |
| 08:14:24 | switchcat | sorphin - I'm trying to convince myself from going from $0 dialup to $40 DSL.. |
| 08:14:31 | sorphin | well, i had cable once before |
| 08:14:33 | Russ | filters port 80 (inconvienteint) |
| 08:14:34 | sorphin | but it BLEW |
| 08:14:45 | Russ | possible changing of IP's (rare), and low upstream (bummer) |
| 08:14:46 | sorphin | Russ: well, a few ppl i know |
| 08:14:50 | sorphin | have DSL and cable both |
| 08:14:57 | sorphin | dsl for reliability |
| 08:14:59 | Russ | but 300kB/s dowstream is pretty good |
| 08:15:00 | sorphin | cable for raw pipe |
| 08:15:17 | switchcat | my dialup is pretty reliable. |
| 08:15:22 | Russ | sorphin: cool iproute2/netfilter box set up to route the traffic? |
| 08:15:25 | switchcat | my computer is less reliable than my dialup |
| 08:15:50 | sorphin | Russ: i don't remember how they have it.. myself, i don't use unix boxens for routing |
| 08:15:55 | sorphin | has routers for that |
| 08:16:07 | Russ | sorphin: really? netfilter/iproute2 rules, do basically anything |
| 08:16:20 | sorphin | it's just a principle for me |
| 08:16:25 | Russ | you could make http traffic transparently use the cox link, etc |
| 08:16:28 | sorphin | would rather use a router for routing |
| 08:16:43 | sorphin | can do that too |
| 08:16:57 | sorphin | has too much cisco gear |
| 08:17:03 | Russ | easily blacklist portscanner/network abusers for set periods of time |
| 08:17:23 | Russ | drop invalid packets, basically keep the efnet's of the world off your net, so its much calmer |
| 08:17:49 | sorphin | the only thing i ever see is people trying to do a portmap dump on me ;) |
| 08:18:29 | sorphin | actually, atm the router(s) only svc the things w/o public ips |
| 08:18:34 | sorphin | and that's cisco's fault |
| 08:18:35 | Russ | once I had it set up so that napster traffic would tranverse a slirp tunnel instead of going out on the default interface |
| 08:18:46 | sorphin | for not allowing IP Unnumbered across ether segments |
| 08:19:19 | sorphin | could prolly rememdy it w/ a tunnel, but i CBA |
| 08:19:31 | Russ | hell, with netfilter, you can set up two segments with the same ip scheme, have them both connect to the internet, and have them both talk to eachother (double nat) |
| 08:19:33 | sorphin | tho w/ my ipv6 blocks, it becomes irrelevant |
| 08:19:45 | sorphin | well |
| 08:19:50 | sorphin | it's just a firewall issue for me is all |
| 08:19:54 | Russ | have you used ipchains? |
| 08:19:54 | sorphin | isn't firewalled |
| 08:20:00 | sorphin | yeah, ages ago |
| 08:20:07 | Russ | ipchains is absolute crap |
| 08:20:19 | Russ | netfilter is so far and away |
| 08:20:22 | sorphin | that's why it was ages ago ;) |
| 08:20:48 | Russ | you can even easily make userspace modules to make decisions |
| 08:21:13 | sorphin | nod |
| 08:21:33 | sorphin | well, unfortunately, there aren't many netfilter jobs, and there are cisco ;) |
| 08:21:33 | Russ | course, I've never used anything cisco... |
| 08:21:55 | sorphin | iproute2's commandset looks like it was copied from cisco, to be honest |
| 08:22:07 | scanline | likes linux's $0 price compared to cisco |
| 08:22:26 | sorphin | scanline: heh out of the 7 cisco products i own |
| 08:22:31 | sorphin | i've bought 3 |
| 08:22:35 | Russ | ya, but you get to combine iproute2 with netfilter, which is where you can start doing powerfull things |
| 08:22:59 | switchcat | worships sorphin's power of magic hardware aquisition |
| 08:23:05 | sorphin | Russ: netfilter is bout == to access lists |
| 08:23:25 | sorphin | switchcat: well, the 2511 came from engineering down in richardson (it was a decom) |
| 08:23:29 | sorphin | as did the 2501s |
| 08:23:30 | Russ | not really, not with all the SPI stuff |
| 08:23:39 | sorphin | the catalyst i paid $500 for |
| 08:23:53 | sorphin | the 1601 and 1605 i each paid bout that too |
| 08:24:27 | sorphin | nods |
| 08:24:56 | sorphin | i'll put the updated network diagram (that i just redrew in visio) later today, and you can laugh at how sad i am ;) |
| 08:25:02 | sorphin | +up |
| 08:25:10 | switchcat | sad? |
| 08:25:16 | sorphin | yeah |
| 08:25:24 | switchcat | I don't even have a network, much less a network diagram :( |
| 08:25:26 | scanline | +up? |
| 08:25:42 | sorphin | scanline: i was appending up into my statement.. (putting it up) |
| 08:26:00 | scanline | ah |
| 08:26:07 | sorphin | sleeps 5' from this rack |
| 08:26:16 | switchcat | keeps you warm, at least. :P |
| 08:26:22 | sorphin | tisn't that bad |
| 08:26:25 | scanline | sorphin: it's probably not as loud as my desktop |
| 08:26:33 | sorphin | only the sparc 20 heats up the room |
| 08:26:40 | Russ | http://cvs.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/netfilter/patch-o-matic/extra/recent.patch.help?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 08:26:41 | sorphin | scanline: umm.. you'd be surprised |
| 08:27:09 | scanline | sorphin: my desktop's CPU fan is a few orders of magnitude louder than my server with about a dozen fans and 6 disks |
| 08:27:16 | sorphin | scanline: umm |
| 08:27:34 | sorphin | scanline: my athlon's fan is 5600rpm, and i used to have a delta on it, so i used to be worse |
| 08:27:35 | switchcat | one benefit to less computers... |
| 08:27:40 | switchcat | smaller electric bill |
| 08:27:40 | Russ | has a computer, and a server/router + some arm stuff |
| 08:27:45 | scanline | scanline: hehe |
| 08:28:01 | scanline | only has 2 computers that are on most of the time |
| 08:28:02 | Russ | scanline: don't get carried away with yourself |
| 08:28:16 | sorphin | Russ: too late ;) |
| 08:28:21 | Russ | I only have 4 fans/4 drives in here |
| 08:28:44 | scanline | Well, the server has a fan for each hard disk, two case fans, a power supply fan, and a CPU fan.. so not quite a dozen |
| 08:28:54 | scanline | the hard disk fans are small |
| 08:29:06 | sorphin | the only HD i have that has a fan on top of it |
| 08:29:08 | sorphin | is the one in mewp |
| 08:29:17 | scanline | well, I added the HD fans... |
| 08:29:21 | sorphin | 18G ugly, loud SCSI drive |
| 08:29:29 | sorphin | you hear it access |
| 08:29:36 | switchcat | yeah I've been thinking about putting heatsinks on my HDs... |
| 08:29:47 | Russ | my case has a place in the bottom from for up to 4 drives with spacing between them, and then a mount for a 120mm, or 80mm fan in front of them |
| 08:29:48 | Russ | sorphin: cheetah? |
| 08:29:53 | sorphin | w/o the fan sittin on top of it |
| 08:29:56 | sorphin | it gets quite hot |
| 08:30:01 | sorphin | w/ the fan, it's cool as can be |
| 08:30:23 | switchcat | right now I have my case open.. with a regular fan pointing at the system... |
| 08:30:24 | sorphin | Russ: heh, i wish.. more like a compaq array drive |
| 08:30:29 | Russ | /dev/hde: IC35L040AVVN07-0: 39C |
| 08:30:43 | Russ | at least you don't have an array of bigfoots |
| 08:30:54 | sorphin | Russ: they're faster than this drive ;p |
| 08:31:06 | sorphin | it's slow as piss to write |
| 08:31:11 | sorphin | decent reading tho |
| 08:31:23 | Russ | I get 114MB/s reading off my array |
| 08:31:58 | sorphin | nods |
| 08:32:15 | Russ | pretty good for $220 |
| 08:32:22 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:32:42 | sorphin | must be nice |
| 08:32:56 | scanline | wow |
| 08:33:22 | sorphin | my I2 has a seagate in it i think.. |
| 08:33:31 | Russ | 120GXP's are fast+cheap |
| 08:35:10 | sorphin | nods |
| 08:35:17 | sorphin | the next thing (if anything) i buy |
| 08:35:24 | sorphin | is the dvd+rw drive |
| 08:35:32 | sorphin | has no motivation to buy other stuff |
| 08:35:46 | Russ | expensive media |
| 08:35:51 | sorphin | cept maybe to sell this I2 that i just got and get a purple I2 or an O2/Origin |
| 08:36:00 | sorphin | Russ: less than a store bought dvd |
| 08:36:11 | Russ | true...but still |
| 08:36:13 | sorphin | well |
| 08:36:19 | sorphin | i have a lot of video to archive |
| 08:36:23 | sorphin | and cd's won't do it |
| 08:36:24 | switchcat | DVD+R DVD-R who will come out on top? |
| 08:36:32 | sorphin | switchcat: to be honest |
| 08:36:36 | Russ | sorphin: just do a raid array of cd-r's |
| 08:36:40 | sorphin | +rw/+r is superior |
| 08:36:51 | sorphin | it has seamless linking |
| 08:36:56 | sorphin | supports VBR |
| 08:37:03 | sorphin | works in most dvd players |
| 08:37:14 | sorphin | -r/-rw |
| 08:37:18 | sorphin | only does cbr |
| 08:37:20 | Russ | then, you just have abox with 5 or 6 cd's, doesn't matter what order you put the cd's in in, raid will figure it out |
| 08:37:22 | sorphin | doesn't support seamless |
| 08:37:22 | switchcat | I have SOOO many CD-Rs... |
| 08:37:32 | switchcat | I mean, BLANK CD-Rs |
| 08:37:36 | Russ | and boom, you can burn dvds |
| 08:37:38 | sorphin | Russ: um.. this is for playing in my dvd player, russ |
| 08:37:50 | Russ | bah, just use oogle |
| 08:37:57 | sorphin | umm |
| 08:37:57 | sorphin | no |
| 08:38:24 | switchcat | I have to look into _professional_ DVD production, bleh. |
| 08:38:30 | sorphin | rack <-----------------------------> tv/tivo/dvd player |
| 08:38:36 | sorphin | i keep them seperate |
| 08:38:55 | sorphin | and i am NOT gonna sit at my desk to watch a movie |
| 08:39:37 | sorphin | as for dvd+rw |
| 08:39:41 | sorphin | julie seems to be pleased w/ it |
| 08:40:07 | sorphin | scanline: 110M |
| 08:40:33 | scanline | slow.... |
| 08:40:39 | sorphin | 110526464 32% 29.58kB/s 2:11:28 |
| 08:42:33 | sorphin | well, i think i'll sleep for a couple hours before work ;p |