| 01:03:00 | Sammy | morning everyone.. |
| 01:06:30 | scanline | morning Sammy |
| 03:08:41 | pmisfit | rinally upgrading to the new blob. |
| 03:09:29 | pmisfit | bummer is that i need to hack it. russ has a binary from 7/9/2002 online, and sent an email to the list on 7/18/2002 asking people to test it |
| 03:10:01 | pmisfit | the sources in cvs buildroot look liek they're from 6/21/2002, though! i'm assuming this has none of russ's changes? |
| 03:11:03 | pmisfit | whoops, nevermind. |
| 03:12:34 | pmisfit | mutters to himself like a homeless guy |
| 03:17:05 | pmisfit | ok, well, it does look like SOMETHING changed between the cvs buildroot blob date of 06/21/2002 and the binary date of 07/09/2002 |
| 03:18:10 | pmisfit | tim changed default CPU_SPEED from 132Mhz to 206Mhz. zoom. dunno if that's gonna get me in any trouble tho |
| 03:18:51 | sorphin | pmisfit: i'll be surprised if it compiles for you :P latest cvs of blob (and jflash) won't compile here, yet bout a month ago (or atleast a few weeks ago), it did.. |
| 03:26:00 | scanline | is away: trying to get some work done |
| 04:35:01 | pmisfit | sorphin: it's the 06/21/2002 cvs of blob, from the latest buildroot cvs. compiles and downloads just fine |
| 04:35:26 | pmisfit | only thing that's giving me fits right now is trying to get xmodem to work over telnet thru my terminal server :-/ |
| 04:38:50 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:38:58 | sorphin | sounds like my setup |
| 04:39:33 | sorphin | what kinda ts ? |
| 05:27:20 | pmisfit | it's an ancient chase iolan rack |
| 05:28:18 | sorphin | ah |
| 05:28:36 | sorphin | well, came across a page before to send files over telnet.. apparently it works.. |
| 05:29:33 | pmisfit | bummer is that i don't understand the protocol, so i've got a bit of a rat-hole to go down before i can get this working. |
| 05:30:41 | sorphin | ends up using minicom and not TS'ing it for xfers |
| 05:30:48 | sorphin | kermit would work fine |
| 05:30:54 | sorphin | if blob supported it |
| 05:33:57 | pmisfit | likes to do things the difficult way |
| 05:34:23 | sorphin | grins |
| 05:35:51 | sorphin | doing that right now ;p |
| 05:35:55 | pmisfit | ok, curling up with some nice light reading: src/blob/xmodem.c |
| 05:36:14 | sorphin | hehe |
| 05:36:24 | sorphin | fights w/ pcmcia code.. bah |
| 05:36:52 | pmisfit | whoa.. it's only 266 lines long! this can't possibly be difficult. |
| 05:37:21 | pmisfit | sorphin: my sympathies. pmcia is a lot more lines long ;-) |
| 05:37:47 | sorphin | AND |
| 05:37:50 | sorphin | the fun part |
| 05:37:55 | sorphin | cross platform |
| 05:38:15 | pmisfit | i'll bite: what exactly is broken in pcmcia on arm/tuxscreen? |
| 05:38:16 | sorphin | trying to see how to get the driver to figure out if it's 5v or 3.3v (since i have it switchable hardware wise).. |
| 05:38:30 | pmisfit | one word: GPIO |
| 05:38:45 | pmisfit | sorry, GPIO23 |
| 05:39:26 | sorphin | eh? |
| 05:39:43 | pmisfit | there's only one open gpio on a stock tuxscreen: GPIO23. |
| 05:39:54 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:40:01 | sorphin | this is strickly software.. |
| 05:40:18 | pmisfit | oh. |
| 05:40:19 | sorphin | i have 2 switches (one for each pcmcia slot) to switch it between 3.3 and 5v |
| 05:40:24 | sorphin | now, on x86 |
| 05:40:31 | sorphin | the driver can detect somehow.. |
| 05:40:40 | pmisfit | grins |
| 05:40:50 | sorphin | but in the arm driver you implicitly tell it, it looks like :/ |
| 05:40:54 | pmisfit | that somehow is a biatch ;-) |
| 05:41:12 | sorphin | ya think ? ;p |
| 05:41:30 | pmisfit | might be able to save you some cycles here. |
| 05:42:10 | sorphin | state_array->state[0].vs_3v = 0; /* FIXME Can only apply 3.3V on Shann |
| 05:42:11 | sorphin | state_array->state[0].vs_Xv = 0; |
| 05:42:21 | pmisfit | on platform x (i.e one with a modern/complete pcmcia implementation) a pin indicates which you've got: 5v or 3.3v |
| 05:42:21 | sorphin | and state[1] get set in the code on shannon |
| 05:42:37 | pmisfit | that's not the case on a shannon tho :-( |
| 05:42:39 | sorphin | manually |
| 05:42:45 | sorphin | hmm |
| 05:42:53 | sorphin | can't use cardmgr then |
| 05:43:16 | pmisfit | well, it'd be fun to do it "manually" meaning via command-line. and probably very possible too. |
| 05:44:06 | pmisfit | realizes that's what you've been saying all along |
| 05:44:12 | sorphin | grins |
| 05:44:29 | pmisfit | sorry. i'm a little thick today. |
| 05:44:29 | sorphin | well, they do fix it at 3.3v in the driver.. unless you do like the above,then it defaults to 5v |
| 05:45:14 | pmisfit | funny, i tried this a while back. |
| 05:45:48 | sorphin | i still need to take pics for prp & erik |
| 05:46:32 | sorphin | the switches are lil normal switches, using the lil vents on the back right bottom ledge |
| 05:46:46 | pmisfit | neat. |
| 05:47:01 | sorphin | well, i liked toggles better for stuff, but cost too much, and too obvious.. |
| 05:47:12 | pmisfit | gonna do the software part via hacking cardctl? or as a kernel commandline item? |
| 05:47:13 | sorphin | after contemplating several places for these thigns |
| 05:47:29 | sorphin | i decided on these, cuz it's no very intrusive, and easy |
| 05:47:39 | sorphin | no having to "try and get them perfectly straight" |
| 05:48:41 | pmisfit | i think you'll have a relatively easy time with this. |
| 05:48:58 | pmisfit | you already found the right structs to twiddle with. |
| 05:49:02 | sorphin | yeah, i'd prefer not having to do it manually tho ;) |
| 05:49:14 | sorphin | fscking stupid that the arm's pcmcia controller doesn't have a sense pin |
| 05:49:31 | pmisfit | that's why i was thinking GPIO's, if you were gonna hack that in. |
| 05:49:33 | sorphin | has detect, ready |
| 05:49:37 | sorphin | no wrprot |
| 05:49:41 | pmisfit | NO RESET! |
| 05:49:59 | sorphin | hehe |
| 05:50:09 | sorphin | which explains the damn error.. |
| 05:50:12 | sorphin | figures |
| 05:50:18 | sorphin | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 05:50:21 | pmisfit | afterthought. |
| 05:50:54 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:51:12 | pmisfit | ok, i'm gonna get back to my state-of-the-art 1970's technology here (xmodem) |
| 05:51:19 | sorphin | wonders about the blob/jflash failures.. |
| 05:51:23 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:51:26 | sorphin | that's easy ;p |
| 05:51:42 | sorphin | forgot ymodem can fallback, and i ymodem'd yesterday *grin* |
| 05:51:59 | pmisfit | i think if you look at the source for cardctl you should have a real easy time with manual 5v/3.3v selection too |
| 05:52:33 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:56:39 | sorphin | i'm mainly purturbed (yes, i said that).. taht i can't use my %^#(^*# proxim cards w/ it |
| 05:57:52 | sorphin | pmisfit: what all you done to yours ? (your tux(es)) |
| 05:59:51 | pmisfit | http://246gt.com/projects/tuxscreen/frankenboard |
| 06:01:09 | sorphin | oh, that's you |
| 06:01:32 | sorphin | "it's alive!! alive!!!" *grin* |
| 06:01:38 | sorphin | saw that a lil while ago.. scary ;) |
| 06:03:18 | sorphin | sends over yet another ramdisk.. |
| 06:04:29 | sorphin | is gonna wear the flash out ;p ;) |
| 06:04:34 | pmisfit | this is why i'm unemployed. nobody's hiring mad scientists anymore |
| 06:05:39 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:05:48 | sorphin | i wish i'd gotten hit in the last rift ;p |
| 06:06:26 | sorphin | may hook up the pcmcia ide card i got and drag shit over.. |
| 06:07:47 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:07:52 | sorphin | btw.. that url is currently 403 |
| 06:09:46 | sorphin | here's a fun error you can't recover from ;) |
| 06:09:53 | sorphin | sa1100_pcmcia_set_mem_map(): map (4) out of range |
| 06:09:53 | sorphin | memory_cs: RequestWindow: Bad arguments |
| 06:11:15 | sorphin | hmm.. it recovered this time.. amazing |
| 06:11:54 | sorphin | i'm almost tempetd to try out that "experimental" autosense ckt.. |
| 06:20:25 | sorphin | nother sucky thing.. you have to know what voltage the damn card is and switch to it.. atm.. sucks |
| 06:26:20 | pmisfit | know what sucks? i'm reading documentation that contains references to intel 8080 instructions |
| 06:28:02 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:28:08 | sorphin | :) |
| 06:28:09 | sorphin | hda: Maxtor 71336 AP, ATA DISK drive |
| 06:28:09 | sorphin | ide0 at 0xd888e000-0xd888e007,0xd888e00e on irq 48 |
| 06:28:09 | sorphin | ide_cs: hda: Vcc = 5.0, Vpp = 0.0 |
| 06:28:09 | sorphin | hda: bad special flag: 0x03 |
| 06:28:10 | sorphin | ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=0x51, count=1 |
| 06:28:11 | sorphin | hda: 2616240 sectors (1340 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=2595/16/63 |
| 06:28:13 | sorphin | Partition check: |
| 06:28:15 | sorphin | hda: hda1 |
| 06:31:02 | pmisfit | thanks for the url catch. should be fixed now. |
| 06:31:21 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:32:26 | sorphin | the one time i want ERIK to be awake, and he's not *grin* |
| 06:32:36 | sorphin | bast ain't evne here ;p |
| 06:33:28 | pmisfit | he's got work to do. and a 3-4 month old infant around. |
| 06:33:40 | sorphin | you don't understand |
| 06:33:50 | sorphin | normally he's sleeping when we're all awake, and up at night ;) |
| 06:33:50 | pmisfit | i sure don't. |
| 06:34:17 | sorphin | normally would catch him about this time |
| 06:34:25 | sorphin | heh, that reminds me, need to set up the DC for him |
| 06:34:28 | pmisfit | tomw knows ide pretty well. |
| 06:34:53 | sorphin | well, the prob might be a busybox one.. |
| 06:35:13 | sorphin | not sure if he's equating mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument |
| 06:35:26 | sorphin | to be the same as it not being able to access that fs type |
| 06:35:35 | pmisfit | can you fdisk it? are the partition types correct? |
| 06:36:19 | sorphin | busybox doesn't even have fdisk :P |
| 06:38:00 | sorphin | however |
| 06:38:01 | sorphin | # ide_info /dev/hda |
| 06:38:01 | sorphin | MODEL="Maxtor 71336 AP" |
| 06:38:01 | sorphin | FW_REV="2A3C0B31" |
| 06:38:01 | sorphin | SERIAL_NO="S30E42CS" |
| 06:38:06 | sorphin | reports correct |
| 06:42:51 | sorphin | ah well, bed time |
| 06:51:13 | pmisfit | nite |
| 08:49:56 | scanline | reads linuxdevices |
| 08:50:04 | scanline | Valourtech... sounds eerily familiar |
| 08:50:24 | scanline | yeeps |
| 08:50:31 | scanline | that's why... this is the company Shane was telling me about |
| 08:51:16 | scanline | uses picogui |
| 08:51:16 | scanline | ! |
| 08:52:39 | scanline | wow.. PIM, email client, media player... |
| 08:53:04 | scanline | wonders how they wrote that stuff with picogui in it's current state :) |
| 08:53:59 | scanline | looks kinda vaporware-ish now.. no screenshots, photos, or downloads |
| 10:02:00 | scanline | is away: Zzzz Zzzzz ZzzZzZzz |
| 12:01:07 | sorphin | andersee: well, clock broken? ;) |
| 12:01:34 | andersee | heh |
| 12:01:39 | andersee | I wrapped.. |
| 12:02:03 | sorphin | ? |
| 12:02:50 | sorphin | andersee: wrapped ? |
| 12:03:05 | andersee | wrapped around a day. |
| 12:03:29 | sorphin | ahh |
| 12:03:42 | sorphin | andersee: well, while you're here ;) |
| 12:03:57 | andersee | :) |
| 12:04:19 | sorphin | has a HD working on his tux (via a pcmcia ide card).. |
| 12:05:35 | sorphin | gotta get some fs stuff over on the tux for it tho (and fdisk ;p ).. i'm assuming if the fs type isn't supported, you just 'invalid arguement' it instead of complaining that the fs isn't supported ? |
| 12:05:41 | sorphin | (least that's how it looks) |
| 12:05:47 | sorphin | mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument |
| 12:07:42 | andersee | sorphin: yeah. Should be cleaned up... |
| 12:07:50 | andersee | Wanna submit a patch? :) |
| 12:08:15 | sorphin | will later today.. just wanted to make sure that's how you saw it ;) |
| 12:08:23 | sorphin | cuz the drive detects (mostly) fine.. |
| 12:08:51 | sorphin | Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 |
| 12:08:51 | sorphin | ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 12:09:09 | sorphin | Trying to free nonexistent resource <d888e000-d888e00f> |
| 12:09:10 | sorphin | hda: Maxtor 71336 AP, ATA DISK drive |
| 12:09:10 | sorphin | ide0 at 0xd888e000-0xd888e007,0xd888e00e on irq 48 |
| 12:09:10 | sorphin | ide_cs: hda: Vcc = 5.0, Vpp = 0.0 |
| 12:09:10 | sorphin | hda: bad special flag: 0x03 |
| 12:09:10 | sorphin | ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=0x51, count=1 |
| 12:09:16 | sorphin | hda: 2616240 sectors (1340 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=2595/16/63 |
| 12:09:16 | sorphin | Partition check: |
| 12:09:16 | sorphin | hda: hda1 |
| 12:09:50 | sorphin | and ide_info pulls correct |
| 13:13:48 | sorphin | prpplague: mornin |
| 13:14:45 | prpplague | sorphin: morning |
| 13:15:21 | sorphin | prpplague: fun stuff.. ide on the tux (via pcmcia), and just noticed there's a kernel option for supporting clock speed changing.. |
| 13:15:38 | prpplague | sorphin: fun |
| 13:15:54 | sorphin | indeed, now ot just sort out various errors |
| 13:15:59 | sorphin | oh, found out the hard way |
| 13:16:24 | sorphin | stupid arm pcmcia doesn't have a sense pin for voltage :( so now i know why it's 'hard coded' |
| 13:20:24 | CosmicPenguin | Hello hello |
| 13:21:44 | andersee | moring |
| 13:21:46 | andersee | err |
| 13:21:52 | andersee | morning that is |
| 13:33:20 | CosmicPenguin | hehe.... |
| 13:33:39 | CosmicPenguin | Erik Andersen: After all these years, I'm still known to submit the occasional patch.... |
| 13:42:12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what audio drivers do you use on the geode? |
| 13:42:28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: :-) |
| 13:42:47 | CosmicPenguin | is rewriting the 4549 codec - National must employ a blind monkey for all of their kernel needs |
| 13:42:50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I got a cdrom patch into 2.4.20-pre4 |
| 13:42:58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure they do ;) |
| 13:43:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I would expect that you would have more block device patches that that |
| 13:44:15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: speaking of which, I've got a 120 giger here that I'll try to deliver after work |
| 13:45:12 | andersee | k |
| 13:45:20 | sorphin | where you 2 at ? |
| 13:45:28 | andersee | I've got a JTAG part for you... |
| 13:45:30 | andersee | :) |
| 13:47:19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I currently only apply 34 patches vs 2.4.20-pre4. :) |
| 13:49:07 | sorphin | ah.. slc.. |
| 13:49:26 | sorphin | too bad my 2 hour layover is in the wrong state ;p next month |
| 14:08:12 | sorphin | -:- andersee is now known as codepoet |
| 14:08:14 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:09:36 | andersee | :) |
| 14:13:09 | file | ahhh all fixed |
| 14:13:43 | file | and the post office screwed up on my letter to the US |
| 14:13:51 | sorphin | doh |
| 14:13:59 | sorphin | on hte US or canuck side ? |
| 14:14:36 | file | canuck |
| 14:14:46 | file | they gave me a domestic instead of international/USA registered sticker |
| 14:14:54 | file | but the processing facility gave me the right one |
| 14:14:56 | sorphin | heh, lovely |
| 14:15:15 | file | and it went through anyway |
| 14:15:17 | sorphin | least there's *1* competent person in the chain ;) |
| 14:15:34 | file | even sent me the right tracking number/receipt |
| 14:15:39 | sorphin | cool |
| 14:15:50 | file | by Prioriourier |
| 14:15:58 | file | er |
| 14:16:01 | file | Priority Courier |
| 14:16:05 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:17:03 | file | and it turns out a plug downstairs was creating a short circuit on my phone line |
| 14:17:16 | sorphin | isn't gonna ask how that's happening ;p |
| 14:17:35 | file | I haven't a clue how... it's in the room my step-dad is refinishing |
| 14:17:45 | sorphin | odd |
| 14:18:32 | file | if I ever sell on EBay I'm going to suggest people get their item sent Registered with Canada Post |
| 14:18:48 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:19:06 | pattieja | morning sorphin |
| 14:19:09 | sorphin | seems to vary here, i've had 2 things come from california |
| 14:19:13 | sorphin | one arrived ok |
| 14:19:15 | sorphin | the other, did not |
| 14:19:20 | sorphin | both sent priority mail |
| 14:19:30 | sorphin | pattieja: morning j |
| 14:20:02 | file | sorphin: with registered you get tracking/indemnity/delivery confirmation anywhere in the world |
| 14:20:21 | file | in my case I just used it to show the person I sent the payment LOL |
| 14:20:24 | file | so they'd send it early to me |
| 14:21:03 | sorphin | file: yeah, i know.. unfortunately, it's touch and go here.. which is why i prefer fedex ;p |
| 14:21:13 | file | sorphin: I agree, Fedex rocks |
| 14:21:18 | file | sorphin: UPS sucks... |
| 14:21:24 | sorphin | has a normal and gnd account w/ fedex |
| 14:21:32 | file | has no accounts |
| 14:21:35 | sorphin | used to work for UPS |
| 14:21:42 | sorphin | so i know how things get treated |
| 14:21:50 | file | very badly.. |
| 14:22:00 | file | why can't people just be nice and treat the parcels nicely? |
| 14:22:05 | sorphin | notes that he'd opt for priority when ups was the only other choice.. woulda been better w/ ups :P |
| 14:22:14 | sorphin | file: um.. it's not entirely the ppl |
| 14:22:26 | file | I hate the UPS brokerage charges |
| 14:22:27 | sorphin | file: if you ever saw how the trucks are loaded... |
| 14:22:29 | file | that's what gets me |
| 14:22:49 | file | it cost more to bring something in then to actually pay to ship it |
| 14:23:02 | sorphin | you don't have time to sort shit out on the truck, you have to put it in as you get it |
| 14:23:30 | file | I go for USPS Airmail |
| 14:23:36 | sorphin | fedex, just started doing gnd (after assimilating RPS), so it's easier, because most of their volume is letters, etc.. |
| 14:23:38 | file | it's usually the same transit time as UPS' |
| 14:23:54 | sorphin | file: um.. you don't mean parcel post do you ? |
| 14:24:08 | file | sorphin: I get my parcel post in 4 days with USPS Airmail |
| 14:24:26 | sorphin | has seen PP take much much longer |
| 14:24:34 | file | USPS Surface is 9 days |
| 14:24:35 | sorphin | an ex of mine, sent me something for my bday |
| 14:24:49 | sorphin | meant to do priority, but didn't realize the diff |
| 14:24:56 | sorphin | instead of 3-4 days |
| 14:24:58 | sorphin | it took a month |
| 14:25:02 | file | lol |
| 14:25:11 | sorphin | because it went PP |
| 14:25:23 | file | well I've never had a problem :) |
| 14:25:35 | file | they were even supposed to get me for some customs charges, but nope... |
| 14:26:04 | sorphin | what sucks, is a lot of places will only do UPS and not FedEx (cuz they don't have a gnd account w/ them).. |
| 14:26:12 | file | yeah |
| 14:26:18 | sorphin | pisses me off |
| 14:26:21 | file | and for shipping to Canada, they don't realize all the brokerage fees |
| 14:26:25 | sorphin | cuz then i have to wait an extra day |
| 14:26:50 | sorphin | cuz fedex will hold at location immediately (since they don't keep shit on the trucks), UPS, can't do that |
| 14:26:53 | file | shipping cost: $16 CAD, brokerage charges $42.45 |
| 14:27:01 | sorphin | they don't empty the trucks at end of day |
| 14:27:20 | file | nods |
| 14:27:35 | file | the only thing I don't like with USPS, is that Canada Post is unpredictable with delivery |
| 14:27:45 | sorphin | and hell if i'm home during biz hours ;p |
| 14:27:48 | sorphin | file: indeed |
| 14:27:57 | file | sometimes delivers by truck, sometimes delivers by postman, sometimes you have to go get it |
| 14:28:11 | sorphin | only time i ever have to go get it |
| 14:28:19 | sorphin | is if it requires signature |
| 14:28:28 | file | I only had to go once for my PDA... dunno why |
| 14:28:37 | file | my Helio was stuffed in the mailbox |
| 14:28:44 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:28:45 | file | and my NIC/CAT5 + laptop was delivered |
| 14:29:03 | file | I'm mighty glad they delivered the laptop, it was in a huge box |
| 14:29:23 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:29:45 | file | and now I wait for my wireless networking kit... |
| 14:30:12 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:30:25 | sorphin | is about to buy these raytheon cards off ebay |
| 14:30:27 | file | Note: it won't come today |
| 14:30:31 | sorphin | since i can't use my proxim's in the tux |
| 14:30:33 | file | sorphin: those are nice |
| 14:30:43 | file | I use Acer WarpLink |
| 14:30:52 | file | cost me $30.95 for an ISA and PCMCIA Card |
| 14:30:55 | sorphin | has 2 nice symphony cards that work nice |
| 14:30:58 | sorphin | however |
| 14:31:00 | file | including shipping :) |
| 14:31:06 | sorphin | since proxim has head up arse about releasing specs |
| 14:31:12 | sorphin | nothing other than x86 can be supported |
| 14:31:25 | file | ic |
| 14:31:46 | file | it took me ages to find NT4 drivers for my cards |
| 14:32:06 | sorphin | heh, the ebay auction has 4 adapters (isa/pcmcia) and 2 cards |
| 14:32:18 | file | http://store3.yimg.com/I/compuvisor_1696_434170 |
| 14:32:39 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:32:44 | sorphin | i looked at those way back |
| 14:32:44 | file | the thing at the bottom is the antenna |
| 14:32:51 | file | nods |
| 14:33:15 | file | I wanted something cheap and that was supported by NT4, so I got that |
| 14:33:53 | sorphin | passed on em because of the driver |
| 14:33:53 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:33:53 | sorphin | same w/ the symphony |
| 14:33:53 | sorphin | same type of antennae |
| 14:34:12 | file | I've got the softawre installed on my laptop, I like the tray icon |
| 14:34:14 | file | er software |
| 14:34:17 | file | :) |
| 14:34:21 | sorphin | well, only has to be supported by linux here or 2k and tis supported by 2k, so.. |
| 14:34:24 | Nermal | argh |
| 14:34:30 | file | yup |
| 14:34:34 | Nermal | is there an easy way to generate .mk files ? |
| 14:34:42 | sorphin | Nermal: pray? |
| 14:34:54 | Nermal | why wont an app copied over from an ipaq work on the tuxscreen |
| 14:34:55 | Nermal | ? |
| 14:35:07 | Nermal | just keeps saying "no such file or directory" |
| 14:35:13 | sorphin | libraries? :P |
| 14:35:16 | sorphin | ldd it |
| 14:35:18 | Nermal | copied those too |
| 14:35:23 | sorphin | ldd it <-- |
| 14:35:28 | file | hey Russ |
| 14:35:31 | sorphin | make sure it shows them right |
| 14:35:33 | file | sorphin: it is supported by 2k btw |
| 14:35:35 | sorphin | mornin russ |
| 14:35:54 | Nermal | also |
| 14:35:58 | sorphin | file: nod.. mighta been some other issue why i dodged the acer.. i forget |
| 14:36:02 | file | sorphin: I've got the drivers for 95, 98, ME, NT4, and 2k |
| 14:36:05 | Nermal | is there any way to make the tuxscreen keyboard more reliable? |
| 14:36:13 | Nermal | drops characters all over the place :( |
| 14:36:20 | sorphin | stop aiming it at the tv ? |
| 14:36:25 | Nermal | ffs |
| 14:36:27 | file | blow it up? |
| 14:36:35 | Nermal | just give a straight answer for once |
| 14:36:40 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:36:48 | sorphin | hasn't had any probs w/ the keyboard |
| 14:36:49 | Nermal | so much fucking hard work to get an answer out of you guys |
| 14:37:01 | Nermal | *sigh* |
| 14:37:06 | file | Nermal: you could have interference |
| 14:37:11 | sorphin | and as for the .mk |
| 14:37:13 | sorphin | hasn't a clue |
| 14:37:21 | sorphin | i think they're all done by hand |
| 14:37:25 | file | my laptop was just sitting there and it had infrared interference for something |
| 14:37:26 | Nermal | ugh |
| 14:37:30 | file | er from |
| 14:37:56 | sorphin | file: heh, my tivo's ir picks up the irda pings from my laptop |
| 14:38:07 | file | hehe |
| 14:38:08 | sorphin | can see the "flicker" every time on the LEDs when it pings |
| 14:38:41 | file | sorphin: that reminds me, Canada Post told me I should be sure next time I put the right sticker on LOL - Like I'd know! I didn't even put it on, the lady at the counter did |
| 14:38:56 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:39:49 | file | that's odd |
| 14:39:51 | Nermal | no ld or ldd on the tuxscreen |
| 14:39:51 | file | somebody just called |
| 14:40:13 | sorphin | Nermal: ldd can be done w/ just commandline |
| 14:40:36 | sorphin | well, assuming uclibc can handle that method |
| 14:40:40 | Nermal | eh ? |
| 14:40:48 | sorphin | andersee: yo erik |
| 14:40:51 | sorphin | Nermal: one mo. |
| 14:41:07 | andersee | sorphin: you rang? |
| 14:41:24 | sorphin | can uclibc handle the LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 trick ? |
| 14:41:26 | file | rings andersee |
| 14:41:31 | andersee | sorphin: yup |
| 14:41:34 | sorphin | andersee: coo |
| 14:41:37 | sorphin | Nermal: ok |
| 14:41:40 | Nermal | argh... I so hate busybox |
| 14:41:43 | file | I am cow, hear me moo! |
| 14:41:44 | sorphin | export LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 |
| 14:41:47 | file | MOO |
| 14:41:55 | sorphin | then run program |
| 14:42:02 | sorphin | w/ |
| 14:42:04 | sorphin | the loader |
| 14:42:07 | andersee | sorphin: you can also build ldd.target from the uclibc sources |
| 14:42:15 | andersee | Nermal: any reason for your dislike? |
| 14:42:18 | sorphin | it'll dump the libs |
| 14:42:34 | sorphin | andersee: yeah, i know, but he's trying to deal w/ a ipaq binary on tux |
| 14:42:37 | file | searching for mailman... not found |
| 14:43:01 | sorphin | trying to check his lib dependancies |
| 14:43:04 | sorphin | hmm |
| 14:43:05 | sorphin | i wonder |
| 14:43:20 | sorphin | Nermal: umm just thought of one lil detail |
| 14:43:26 | sorphin | that ipaq binary |
| 14:43:34 | sorphin | it using uclibc or glibc ? |
| 14:43:40 | Nermal | dunno |
| 14:43:48 | sorphin | that'd make a big diff ;) |
| 14:43:48 | Nermal | glibc methinks |
| 14:44:00 | sorphin | you can't cross run ( i don't think) |
| 14:44:04 | Nermal | there must be an easier way to port an app to the tuxscreen |
| 14:44:10 | sorphin | andersee: feel free to correct me if i'm wrong ;) |
| 14:44:32 | sorphin | Nermal: you don't *have* to use build root |
| 14:44:50 | sorphin | it's just a quick way to build the root system |
| 14:45:02 | sorphin | anything you want on hte tux |
| 14:45:08 | sorphin | xcompile it |
| 14:45:18 | andersee | sorphin: uClibc's ldd.target is installed onto the tuxscreen as /usr/bin/ldd and should work regardless of libc, architecture, endianness, etc. |
| 14:45:20 | sorphin | dump it in build-root's root/ dir |
| 14:45:26 | Nermal | is there an easy way to cross compile using the buildroot ? |
| 14:45:36 | andersee | sorphin: using the LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS thing doesn't work as well |
| 14:46:07 | andersee | sorphin: It depends on the shared lib loader actually executing the binary in question and doing the dirty work.. |
| 14:46:13 | sorphin | Nermal: well, there's your ldd answer (/usr/bin/ldd or ldd.target).. |
| 14:46:16 | sorphin | and as for xcompiling |
| 14:46:32 | Nermal | why isn't that in the path for executables ? |
| 14:46:33 | sorphin | yeah, the toolchain is under stage/ |
| 14:46:34 | andersee | sorphin: on the tuxscreen, /usr/bin/ldd is the uClibc one... |
| 14:46:49 | sorphin | andersee: yeah, but it'll show for both |
| 14:47:00 | sorphin | installed your ldd as my 'normal' ldd |
| 14:47:00 | andersee | yup |
| 14:47:02 | sorphin | works fine |
| 14:47:12 | sorphin | used to use the script version |
| 14:47:16 | Russ | morning |
| 14:47:20 | andersee | I should put it into busybox |
| 14:47:27 | bhima | good morning. |
| 14:47:33 | sorphin | andersee: as for his hatred of busybox... |
| 14:47:41 | sorphin | i can sympathize ;) |
| 14:47:57 | sorphin | tho, less now than i could before ;) |
| 14:48:03 | sorphin | since you fixed the probs i had |
| 14:49:40 | sorphin | Nermal: all you'd have to do is point CC, LD, etc at the progs in stage/bin |
| 14:49:52 | Nermal | k |
| 14:49:56 | Nermal | thx : |
| 14:49:56 | Nermal | : |
| 14:49:57 | Nermal | :) |
| 14:50:00 | sorphin | nods |
| 14:50:07 | sorphin | cross compiles too much ;p |
| 14:50:19 | sorphin | ppc, mips and now arm |
| 14:50:39 | sorphin | and even sooner |
| 14:50:43 | sorphin | SH3/4 ;p |
| 14:50:45 | sorphin | grins |
| 14:51:22 | sorphin | wouldn't xcompile mips if the I2 were faster ;p |
| 14:59:18 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:59:29 | sorphin | build-tux/build = 716M |
| 15:07:45 | file | back |
| 15:08:10 | file | sorphin: what's up? |
| 15:08:25 | sorphin | work |
| 15:08:36 | file | oh ic |
| 15:08:58 | file | goes to download Mozilla |
| 15:09:31 | sorphin | is out in 1.5~ hours... so.. |
| 15:09:33 | file | mmm nah, too big |
| 15:09:45 | file | sorphin: ic |
| 15:09:49 | file | is waiting for the mailman |
| 15:11:26 | sorphin | ponders shoving kermit into blob (assuming blob will ever compile for me ;p ) |
| 15:12:39 | file | ok - who replaced my ice cream with garlic butter? |
| 15:12:44 | sorphin | me |
| 15:12:54 | file | throws it at sorphin |
| 15:13:03 | sorphin | holds up some bread |
| 15:13:27 | file | throws a beaver at sorphin |
| 15:13:51 | sorphin | has it build a dam |
| 15:14:54 | file | sorphin: are you the mailman? |
| 15:15:09 | sorphin | resists a mean comment. |
| 15:15:29 | file | :) |
| 15:16:15 | Russ | stuffs a frog into sorphin's blob |
| 15:16:47 | file | stuffs pizza into blob |
| 15:19:04 | file | lalala |
| 15:25:29 | file | no wireless network kit today |
| 15:34:48 | file | hi Tangent |
| 15:34:56 | file | prpplague : you alive in there? |
| 15:35:27 | sorphin | stuffs russ into that hole over there ---> |
| 15:35:49 | sorphin | Russ: wrong kermit ;) |
| 15:37:15 | Tangent | file: Howdy.. How's things |
| 15:37:23 | file | Tangent: could be better |
| 15:37:42 | file | you? |
| 15:38:27 | sorphin | pmisfit: re |
| 15:38:29 | Tangent | file: Pretty good here... got myself a job.. (which is nice..) but spent all day today doing battle with qmail... (I lost) |
| 15:38:36 | pmisfit | sorphin: well i just said 'sod it' and rebuilt blob with --enable-uucodec instead of xmodem. all is bliss, all is bliss. |
| 15:38:45 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:38:54 | sorphin | pmisfit: i'm about to shove kermit into blob ;) |
| 15:39:08 | sorphin | well, maybe |
| 15:39:11 | sorphin | if he'll fit |
| 15:39:12 | file | nods |
| 15:39:33 | sorphin | if not, i'll have to have file move the bits around |
| 15:39:38 | pmisfit | that would be tres cool. it's a nice buiild system they have. the blob guys did good work. |
| 15:39:39 | file | emptys his recycle bin, an hour later it's still emptying |
| 15:39:57 | sorphin | file: you're the one w/ 30 gigs of pr0n in it ;p |
| 15:40:17 | sorphin | pmisfit: too bad it doesn't wanna compile here ;p |
| 15:40:18 | file | sorphin: this is on my laptop with a 2.1gb hardrive you dingo |
| 15:40:26 | sorphin | even w/ their build tree |
| 15:40:33 | pmisfit | what's red and green and goes at 3500 RPM's? ;-) |
| 15:40:37 | sorphin | file: now look here you canuck arse *grin* |
| 15:40:53 | file | :) |
| 15:41:04 | sorphin | anyhoo |
| 15:41:25 | Tangent | has some hoo |
| 15:41:36 | sorphin | maybe it's my automake/autoconf versions.. |
| 15:41:55 | sorphin | pmisfit: what vers you runnin ? |
| 15:42:54 | file | nudges prpplague |
| 16:09:49 | pmisfit | cvs buildroot, box-stock, with a minor mod to use --uudecode |
| 16:10:12 | sorphin | nono |
| 16:10:25 | sorphin | was asking what automake/autoconf.. but nevermind.. just pulled the latest.. |
| 16:10:38 | pmisfit | Autoconf version 2.13 |
| 16:10:52 | pmisfit | Automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p5 |
| 16:10:52 | sorphin | and automake ? |
| 16:10:54 | sorphin | ahh |
| 16:10:56 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:11:19 | sorphin | ah well, see if these new vers fix the prob or not |
| 16:11:47 | sorphin | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:11:48 | sorphin | --enable-clock-scaling Enable support for clock scaling (SA1100 only) |
| 16:11:57 | pmisfit | i don't use it. |
| 16:12:01 | sorphin | wonder if that'll mess w/ the cpu clock like someone wants to do.. |
| 16:12:16 | sorphin | i know i saw the kernel has a config option for clock tampering |
| 16:12:29 | sorphin | and someone in here wants to run at 206 (which the shannon can do no prob) |
| 16:12:51 | pmisfit | looks like the 07/06/2002 blob cvs defaults to 206mhz |
| 16:13:25 | sorphin | coo |
| 16:13:44 | pmisfit | i can't tell whether the 07/09/2002 blob binary that russ put up on the wiki, uses the 07/06/2002 cvs or the 06/21/2002 cvs |
| 16:14:07 | sorphin | dunno |
| 16:14:07 | pmisfit | so i went conservative "to get the damn thing running first" |
| 16:14:13 | sorphin | Russ: oh russ *grin* |
| 16:14:36 | pmisfit | he's busy, he's at werk ;-) |
| 16:14:39 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:14:45 | sorphin | i am too ;p |
| 16:14:57 | sorphin | just knows how to do many things at once effectively |
| 16:16:10 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:16:22 | sorphin | same errors after an automake even w/ this version |
| 16:16:35 | pmisfit | nah, you just have fast enough reflexes to close mirc when the boss walks by ;-) |
| 16:16:45 | sorphin | i don't use mirc |
| 16:17:05 | sorphin | is ssh'd to his network at home and screen'd into my BX :P |
| 16:17:38 | pmisfit | much cooler. |
| 16:17:50 | sorphin | isn't a windows luser ;p |
| 16:18:39 | pmisfit | you're lucky you're allowed to "deviate from corporate standards" at work |
| 16:18:51 | sorphin | grins.. |
| 16:18:54 | sorphin | has 2 boxen at work |
| 16:19:04 | sorphin | win2k (was NT), and solaris x86.. |
| 16:19:22 | sorphin | the 2k is for stupid shit that can't run on anything else, like visio ;p |
| 16:19:40 | pmisfit | ok, all this talk of windoze and work is making me ill. |
| 16:19:46 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:19:57 | sorphin | you blobed from blob right? |
| 16:19:58 | pmisfit | i better quit screwing off and get back to what i was doing. later! |
| 16:20:09 | sorphin | i hope ;) |
| 16:20:13 | pmisfit | download blob; reblob; download blob; flash blob |
| 16:20:27 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:20:29 | pmisfit | see blob flash. flash blob flash. |
| 16:20:35 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:20:40 | sorphin | was just making sure ;) |
| 16:20:43 | pmisfit | ok, i'm really off now. later! |
| 16:20:45 | sorphin | cuz of the 32k limit infero has |
| 16:20:47 | sorphin | cya |
| 16:20:48 | pmisfit | is away: urk |
| 16:26:13 | bhima | doesn't use windows. |
| 16:26:16 | file | prpplague? |
| 16:26:21 | bhima | is porting code away from windows. |
| 16:26:51 | file | arg matey |
| 16:29:05 | Russ|werk | I didn't put a blob binary up on the wiki |
| 16:33:04 | file | hey mallum |
| 16:40:34 | mallum | hey file |
| 16:41:15 | file | mallum: are you happy? |
| 16:41:38 | bhima | why do so many people use Windows for car mp3 playback foo? |
| 16:41:54 | file | dunno |
| 16:42:08 | file | I use Windows for my normal MP3 playback tho lol |
| 16:42:40 | bhima | staples a Windows authenticity certificate to file's scrotum. |
| 16:42:42 | bhima | there ya go! :) |
| 16:43:08 | file | bhima: I've got 6 already |
| 16:43:29 | bhima | six of them on your scrotum already? impressive. |
| 16:43:56 | file | :p |
| 16:45:41 | bhima | I'm convinced they're impregnated with a psychoactive chemical, and that the longer windows registration keys are to keep you handling them for longer. |
| 16:46:28 | file | uh huh |
| 16:47:55 | mallum | file: always happy :)) |
| 16:48:40 | file | mallum: hehe, have you talked to prpplague - I dunno if he sent my TCSX-1 out or not |
| 16:49:07 | mallum | file: hmm, not sure |
| 16:49:25 | file | mallum: let's poke him with a stick! |
| 16:50:41 | bhima | "Don't let worries kill you. Let the church help" - United Methodist Church |
| 17:01:45 | bhima | wow. I am happy. www.usplastic.com sells plastic stock. just what I need. |
| 17:22:30 | prpplague | file: ya it went out yesterday |
| 17:23:24 | file | nice |
| 18:50:33 | file | hey BZFlag |
| 18:52:47 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 18:53:15 | sorphin | as_: *fear* |
| 18:54:15 | as_ | looks around shiftily. |
| 18:54:22 | as_ | Err, fear what? |
| 18:56:32 | sorphin | you ;p |
| 18:56:45 | as_ | Umm, if you say so. |
| 18:57:20 | sorphin | and yet you still spam us, lilo.. |
| 18:58:16 | sjhill | finally, no more lilo notices.... |
| 18:58:47 | sjhill | grumbles something about lilo and jumping into bathtub full of water with his pc |
| 18:59:14 | sorphin | sjhill: prolly wouldn't get rid of him |
| 18:59:29 | sjhill | if i was his wife, i would have left him |
| 18:59:33 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:59:45 | sorphin | you mean you're not? ;p |
| 18:59:49 | sorphin | ducks |
| 19:00:00 | sjhill | lart coming ur way sorphin |
| 19:00:03 | sjhill | heh |
| 19:00:25 | sorphin | coo, i could use another ARM box ;) *smirk* |
| 19:01:14 | sorphin | anyways.. if he weren't embezling the $, it wouldn't be so bad (and he weren't so damn annoying ;) ) |
| 19:02:28 | bhima | I saw a cool idea. somebody built a small keyboard into his car's sun visor. |
| 19:02:47 | bhima | seems like a great place to hide your keyboard. |
| 19:02:54 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:03:10 | sorphin | won't ever have that prob.. |
| 19:03:18 | bhima | mmm? why not? |
| 19:04:03 | sorphin | . o O ( the only puter i'll ever have in my car, is the one that it came w/ :P ) |
| 19:04:12 | sorphin | loves puters, but, there's a limit |
| 19:04:28 | bhima | I love computers. |
| 19:04:40 | bhima | limits are a mathematical construct. |
| 19:04:44 | bhima | they don't really exist in the real world. |
| 19:05:07 | andersee | challenges bhima to become a black hole |
| 19:05:50 | sorphin | andersee: don't get me started erik ;) |
| 19:05:56 | andersee | hehe |
| 19:07:18 | file | finishes his supper |
| 19:07:19 | file | mmm yummy |
| 19:07:33 | sorphin | already has a low opinion of bhima, since he saw fit to involve file's genetalia in a convo in here ;p |
| 19:07:58 | file | I'm glad you knew I was male... |
| 19:08:28 | andersee | I think bhima has worked his way up into neutron star territory. But that signularity business it a tough limit to crack. |
| 19:08:35 | bhima | I didn't cause any lasting harm. |
| 19:08:57 | bhima | the small staple holes in file's scrotum will heal far sooner than the mental scars caused by windows. |
| 19:09:06 | sorphin | thinks a hanging by your toenails from a ceiling fan should suffice for now |
| 19:11:20 | bhima | we don't have any ceiling fans here. sorry. |
| 19:14:04 | bhima | anyway, the computer in my car is primarily for navigation purposes, not general hacking. |
| 19:16:16 | sorphin | ... |
| 19:19:14 | bhima | yawns. anybody currently here use wireless cards in tuxscreens? |
| 20:25:11 | MonMotha | anyone have any experience replacing LCD screens on laptops? |
| 20:25:18 | Russ|werk | slight |
| 20:28:27 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: how much work is involved (rough estimate)? |
| 20:29:05 | Russ|werk | fairly little |
| 20:30:31 | MonMotha | hum...k, becaue I just acquired a rather recent compaq laptop with a bad screen |
| 20:30:40 | MonMotha | I need to find the screen for it, but I can probably manage that |
| 20:32:41 | Russ|werk | finding the screen for a decent price is usually much harder than installing it |
| 20:33:13 | MonMotha | yes, I can believe this |
| 20:33:15 | MonMotha | LCDs aren't cheap |
| 20:33:27 | MonMotha | compaq quotes $1000 though, and the laptop probably isn't worth that |
| 20:33:44 | bhima | It's frequently not worth replacing the LCD on older laptops. |
| 20:34:51 | MonMotha | this isn't that old |
| 20:34:55 | MonMotha | just not worth more than $1000 |
| 20:34:58 | MonMotha | it's a P3 something |
| 20:35:17 | MonMotha | I have an LCD from an older laptop (that's broken), but it's the wrong size and res |
| 20:35:32 | MonMotha | should find someone to trade with :) |
| 20:35:40 | bhima | wrong size, resolution, and lots of other interfacing problems. |
| 20:35:48 | MonMotha | yes |
| 20:35:57 | MonMotha | as I said, a trade with a parts guru might be a possibility though |
| 20:46:55 | file | MonMotha : would you like another LCD? |
| 20:53:19 | file | 'allo? |
| 20:56:32 | as2 | Aloha. |
| 20:58:04 | file | what's up? |
| 20:58:28 | as2 | Apart from sky, not a lot. |
| 20:59:00 | file | oh ic |
| 21:00:14 | MonMotha | file: you don't even know what kind I need :) |
| 21:00:47 | file | MonMotha: and I don't probably have it |
| 21:02:05 | MonMotha | heh |
| 21:02:23 | MonMotha | I'm gunna ask my compaq contact |
| 21:02:37 | MonMotha | local repair office, might be able to at least get me a cheaper price if I do the work |
| 21:03:48 | file | ic |
| 21:07:53 | MonMotha | hum...seems like it might not be just the LCD |
| 21:08:02 | MonMotha | I can't get anything on the external display either |
| 21:49:37 | Nermal | nice |
| 22:22:53 | scanline | is back (gone 12:20:54) |
| 22:24:08 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Hey, I actually remembed to set /away this time |
| 23:02:27 | pmisfit | is back |
| 23:03:27 | pmisfit | Russ: my error. looks like the blob binary was added to the wiki by bzflag. |
| 23:57:32 | pmisfit | is away: the joy of a massive cvs merge. urgh. i dread seeing that little "C".... |