| 00:04:58 | cpenguin_home | evening all |
| 00:05:17 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: evening |
| 00:05:31 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: how's life? |
| 00:05:42 | cpenguin_home | I heard it was raining buckets on the coast of TX |
| 00:06:13 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya but thats a 12 hour drive at 70mph from where i'm at |
| 00:06:44 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i updated my cvs dirs and broke all my work |
| 00:10:34 | cpenguin_home | doh |
| 00:13:48 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: watch dave bang his head on his desk |
| 02:38:48 | sorphin | evening/morning tim |
| 02:40:16 | prpplague | sorphin: when did you sneak in |
| 02:40:24 | sorphin | sneak in? i've been here, sorta |
| 02:40:38 | sorphin | thou was busy earlier finally doing the 5v mod |
| 02:40:53 | sorphin | put switches in those lil vent things on the back right bottom |
| 02:41:03 | sorphin | so both slots are switchable |
| 03:41:48 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:42:01 | sorphin | any life ? |
| 04:06:49 | sorphin | [ping] |
| 05:14:24 | prpplague | andersee: up late as usual? |
| 13:04:45 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:04:52 | prpplague | andersee: no bed yet? |
| 13:05:52 | andersee | Oh, I have one. |
| 13:06:31 | prpplague | andersee: haha |
| 13:07:27 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, your humor fact seems to be inverse proportion to your amount of sleep, lol |
| 13:07:58 | prpplague | andersee: of course mine is always on the low side |
| 13:08:33 | prpplague | oh no, leave the channel open and in walks mips scum, lol |
| 13:08:49 | sjhill | hehe |
| 13:09:14 | sjhill | nice to cu2 prpplague |
| 13:12:42 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 13:13:09 | prpplague | sjhill: still in CA ? |
| 13:13:58 | sjhill | prpplague: yup, i don't go home until next Tuesday |
| 13:14:17 | sjhill | prpplague: they really love me out here *snif* |
| 13:14:24 | prpplague | sjhill: found all the good nudie bars yet? |
| 13:14:49 | sjhill | prpplague: eep! no! that's never been my scene :) |
| 13:15:05 | sorphin | prpplague: he needs to tell me where they are if he does, i'll be in cali next month for a few days |
| 13:15:05 | prpplague | sjhill: lol,jk |
| 13:15:19 | sorphin | :P |
| 13:15:59 | sjhill | i actually haven't seen many "ghetto" areas around SanJose/Milpitas proper, but haven't explored much in depth either |
| 13:16:06 | sorphin | ok, so who here's a pcmcia* brain child? |
| 13:16:13 | sorphin | sjhill: oh, htey're there, i'm sure of it |
| 13:16:43 | sjhill | sorphin: pcmcia on strongarm? |
| 13:16:55 | sorphin | well, in general, but that'll work too |
| 13:17:23 | sjhill | sorphin: you should probably head over to #kernelnewbies, i think some people are there |
| 13:18:08 | sorphin | notice vs_* is set 0 or 1, which for both 5v and 3.3v, i'm not sure, all i know is that i'd like (if there's a way) to make the pcmcia tools be a bit accurate ;) |
| 13:18:36 | sorphin | vs_ in the sa1100_shannon.c that is.. |
| 13:19:33 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 13:19:44 | sorphin | morning cos |
| 13:20:50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 13:21:30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: how are you? |
| 13:21:53 | andersee | sleepy as usual. :) |
| 13:25:03 | sjhill | howdy andersee |
| 13:25:20 | sjhill | andersee: did you ever take a 'gander at my RPM? |
| 13:25:26 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 13:25:42 | andersee | sjhill: actually I didn't |
| 13:25:46 | andersee | intended to.... |
| 13:25:54 | sjhill | andersee: ok |
| 13:26:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dude, you get all that pr0n off the ftp server? lol |
| 13:26:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lol |
| 13:26:30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that FTP is a sad and fascinating look into the salad days of embedded gui programming |
| 13:33:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: 107k ??? |
| 13:39:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: thats the size of the patch |
| 13:41:46 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: in ascii form ? |
| 13:44:02 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yeah |
| 13:44:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: too big? |
| 13:44:25 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, how big it make the stripped matchbox binary ? |
| 13:47:44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'll have to check to see - it should have made it about the same size |
| 13:47:58 | CosmicPenguin | 's tree is in a state of disarray right now |
| 13:49:45 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool :) |
| 13:50:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: just bung me over the patch when ever you want |
| 13:51:02 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: ok - its on my machine at home |
| 13:56:54 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: coolio |
| 14:49:18 | prpplague | andersee: whats the logic in having the bb wget produce the dl % on stderr instead of stdout? |
| 14:50:15 | andersee | prpplague: I think the idea is 2>/dev/null |
| 14:50:20 | andersee | I forget |
| 14:59:21 | prpplague | andersee: ya but i want the dl% but not errors |
| 15:03:31 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 15:03:49 | andersee | Feel free to patch it. You have my permission. :) |
| 15:04:47 | sorphin | andersee: hey |
| 15:05:57 | prpplague | andersee: ok thanks, i try not to harras you with stupid questions, i just figured there was a reason for it and i didn't know why... |
| 15:06:31 | sorphin | prpplague: the reason, is cuz that's how he coded it ;) |
| 15:07:07 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, that kinda sounds like a m$ response, lol |
| 15:07:15 | andersee | prpplague: I think the Debian installer wanted it that way... |
| 15:07:25 | andersee | Like I said, I forget |
| 15:08:29 | sorphin | andersee: did you see me way up there comment re: pcmcia ? |
| 15:09:41 | prpplague | andersee: ok thanks, i have to deal with morons using this stuff and if they get complicated errors messages it totally freaks them out, lol |
| 15:10:28 | andersee | sorphin: nope, missed it |
| 15:12:00 | sorphin | looking for a suggest (other than talk to "kernel newbies" :P |
| 15:12:05 | sorphin | repeat: |
| 15:12:08 | sorphin | andersee: <sorphin> notice vs_* is set 0 or 1, which for both 5v and 3.3v, i'm not sure, |
| 15:12:08 | sorphin | all i know is that i'd like (if there's a way) to make the pcmcia |
| 15:12:09 | sorphin | tools be a bit accurate ;) |
| 15:12:09 | sorphin | <sorphin> vs_ in the sa1100_shannon.c that is.. |
| 15:14:26 | andersee | sorphin: 'fraid thats something I don't know much about. |
| 15:16:49 | sorphin | bah |
| 15:17:19 | sorphin | andersee: well, least my mod works :) and convienient placemnt too |
| 15:17:41 | sorphin | andersee: got sidetracked tho and didn't get the DC up.. work have it done this week, promise. |
| 15:17:48 | andersee | sorphin: posted pics yet? |
| 15:18:11 | sorphin | nope, i suppose i could tho |
| 15:20:33 | sorphin | i don't have many cards to test w/ tho, which sucks. |
| 15:20:39 | andersee | sorphin: I wish I had been able to get better pics. My pics suck. |
| 15:20:43 | sorphin | i can't use my damn proxim card.. which sucks |
| 15:20:58 | sorphin | remembered why last night.. bah |
| 15:23:08 | sorphin | the driver.. is mostly binary, because, proxim won't release specs w/o NDA.. soo.. no chance of xcompiling it for ARM.. |
| 15:28:18 | andersee | is back (gone 18:51:37) |
| 15:29:15 | Russ|werk | sorphin: time to make an in kernel x86 emulator |
| 16:10:20 | scanline | is away: going to the dentist |
| 16:29:25 | prpplague | sjhill: you worked with jffs project stuff right? |
| 16:32:17 | sjhill | prpplague: a long time ago, i did the first nand flash drivers and got jffs working on raw nand chips |
| 16:33:05 | prpplague | sjhill: hmm, i need to convert some ext2 disk-on-module stuff over to jffs, |
| 16:33:40 | sjhill | prpplague: little more detail? |
| 16:35:02 | prpplague | sjhill: got a thinclient rootfs that has been using read-only ext2, i need to convert it over to jffs for better flash management |
| 16:35:16 | sjhill | oh, piece of cake |
| 16:35:31 | sjhill | prpplague: nor or nand flash? |
| 16:36:09 | prpplague | sjhill: well thats a good question, i'm not sure what the Disk-On-Module is |
| 16:36:36 | prpplague | sjhill: basically it is the same as a cf card |
| 16:36:54 | sjhill | prpplague: you don't mean Disk-On-Chip by M-Systems do you? |
| 16:37:20 | prpplague | sjhill: no, Disk-on-Module, its a flash device with an ide interface |
| 16:37:51 | sjhill | prpplague: oh, then you just want to use the pcmcia or straight ide stuff |
| 16:38:22 | sjhill | prpplague: you probably don't want to access the flash raw and even if you could, you'd be better off using the ide interface |
| 16:40:40 | prpplague | sjhill: ya thats what i'm looking for |
| 16:41:39 | sjhill | prpplague: what, using ide? |
| 16:42:06 | prpplague | sjhill: ya, most of out thinclients use either a cf card on the ide port or the diskonmodule |
| 16:43:04 | prpplague | sjhill: as i understand it, all i have to do is use the mkfs.jffs utility on the rootfs and then dd the image onto the partion? |
| 16:45:05 | sjhill | prpplague: you can't do that |
| 16:45:09 | prpplague | sjhill: guess i really should read this jffs howto in the mtd source i just found..... |
| 16:45:22 | sjhill | prpplague: jffs must be used with a mtd interface layer |
| 16:45:29 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh |
| 16:45:52 | sjhill | either use mtd/jffs or ide/ext2 |
| 16:46:06 | sjhill | you could try ext3 which gives you journalling |
| 16:46:16 | sjhill | fine tune ext3 for a small journal |
| 16:47:02 | prpplague | sjhill: i've heard ext3 creates problems with wearing out the flash |
| 16:47:16 | sjhill | oookkkkaay, forget that idea then :) |
| 16:47:54 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 16:48:27 | prpplague | sjhill: i wonder how well cramfs would work....... |
| 16:52:00 | sjhill | prpplague: if it's read only, i would say cramfs would be ideal |
| 16:52:23 | prpplague | checks for cramfs howtos |
| 16:56:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its pretty easy to use |
| 16:56:58 | sorphin | Russ: i dunno bout that.. |
| 16:57:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm not seeing any howto info, but i did see some posts |
| 16:58:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you got any urls for info |
| 16:59:25 | sorphin | prpplague: look in Documentation/cramfs.txt |
| 16:59:26 | sorphin | ? |
| 16:59:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: he's right - its part of the linux distro |
| 17:00:14 | prpplague | sorphin: i did, but it doesn't look like it has any implementation info |
| 17:00:22 | prpplague | sorphin: let me double check |
| 17:01:56 | prpplague | sorphin: ya no implementation info |
| 17:07:57 | sorphin | define implementation info ? |
| 17:09:53 | prpplague | sorphin: i.e. "to create a basic image use this command mkcramfs /tmp/rootfs /tmp/imagename" |
| 17:15:32 | sorphin | prp_out: See fs/cramfs/README for filesystem layout and implementation notes. |
| 17:15:35 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:16:45 | Russ|werk | prp_out: what do you want to know about cramfs? |
| 17:16:52 | Russ|werk | I'm pretty wise to it |
| 17:21:37 | Nermal | lo |
| 17:22:30 | sorphin | Russ: he didn't bother reading all of what he should have ;p |
| 17:24:09 | Russ|werk | I've written two cramfs readers, and added support for a device table to mkcramfs (slightly broken) |
| 17:24:24 | sorphin | eh? |
| 17:24:52 | kergoth | Russ|werk: dev table support for mkcramfs? got a patch handy? (i dont mind if its slightly broken.. heh) |
| 17:26:19 | Russ|werk | alright, but if you fix it, you have to send me the fix |
| 17:26:31 | kergoth | will do |
| 17:26:32 | kergoth | thanks |
| 17:26:59 | sorphin | is lost ;p |
| 17:31:19 | sorphin | Russ: dev table ? |
| 17:31:43 | Russ|werk | sorphin: (see buildroot/jffs2) |
| 17:34:21 | sorphin | glanced at that.. so it created everything in that file at the time of the filesystem make ? |
| 17:35:06 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 17:35:11 | Russ|werk | so you don't need to be root |
| 17:35:18 | Russ|werk | and everything can be in cvs |
| 17:36:15 | sorphin | right |
| 17:36:31 | kergoth | its also nice for fixing permissions on existing files .. i.e. ensuring that tinylogin is suid root without having to become root. quite nifty. |
| 17:39:11 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:01:34 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:06:27 | sorphin | andersee: busy sleeping? :P |
| 19:43:09 | sorphin | prpplague: *points up* |
| 19:43:23 | sorphin | that README says some stuff, and russ has info too |
| 19:43:31 | prpplague | reads |
| 19:43:55 | sorphin | coincidentally, that README is mentioned at the bottom of the Documentation file ;) |
| 19:44:30 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i checked that one too |
| 19:44:55 | prpplague | sorphin: mostly the second file mention was strictly programming for cramfs |
| 19:45:06 | sorphin | and.. |
| 19:45:29 | sorphin | If you're hacking on cramfs, you might find useful some tools for |
| 19:45:29 | sorphin | testing cramfs at <http://cvs.bofh.asn.au/cramfs/>, including a |
| 19:45:29 | sorphin | rudimentary fsck for cramfs. |
| 19:45:49 | sorphin | dunno if it'll have anything.. if not, as i said too, russ says he's a cramfs master ;) |
| 19:46:08 | prpplague | sorphin: ya already checked that url, just a cramfs fsck utility |
| 19:46:22 | prpplague | Russ: you alive? |
| 19:48:23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: if you get back around to your terminal give me a msg |
| 19:58:37 | Russ|werk | prpplague: ya? |
| 20:00:10 | sorphin | Russ: he's ready for cramfs info ;) |
| 20:00:28 | prpplague | Russ|werk: after i make my cramfs image and i want to put it on an ide device whats the procedure? |
| 20:00:30 | Russ|werk | I know, he hasn't asked anything yet |
| 20:00:42 | sorphin | yes he has ;) |
| 20:00:44 | Russ|werk | prpplague: cat image > hdb1 |
| 20:00:46 | Russ|werk | or whatever |
| 20:00:50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sorry, trying to get ready to leave tomorrow |
| 20:01:05 | Russ|werk | or, if you don't have a partition table, cat image > /dev/hdb |
| 20:01:12 | Russ|werk | alternatively, you could mount it loopback |
| 20:01:25 | Russ|werk | also, I have a cramfs reader for grub if you want to boot it |
| 20:01:30 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok, anything special i need to the partition? just make sure the image is smaller than the partition? |
| 20:01:35 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 20:01:53 | Russ|werk | cramfs is extermely simple, and doesn't care what is past the end of the image |
| 20:02:06 | Russ|werk | (header/depth first toc/file data) |
| 20:02:24 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok and what about lilo |
| 20:02:34 | sorphin | prpplague: kill him *smirk* |
| 20:02:41 | sorphin | oh.. you mean the USEFUL lilo ;) |
| 20:03:31 | prpplague | sorphin: just trying to find out my options :] |
| 20:03:42 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:03:54 | prpplague | sorphin: OH, i got it now, lol |
| 20:04:06 | sorphin | hmm.. the arm pcmcia crap is definately diff than the x86 in what gets set.. |
| 20:04:10 | sorphin | prpplague: ;) |
| 20:04:40 | prpplague | sorphin: no the lilo is use doesn't have a --beg-for-money option |
| 20:04:51 | legodude_ | haha |
| 20:05:25 | sorphin | lilo@fsckwit.info [GlobalNotice]: give me $$$$$ so i can pay my rent, buy food, pay for my gf's plastic surgery so she can become completely a woman. |
| 20:05:43 | sorphin | *grin* |
| 20:06:02 | prpplague | sorphin: ha speak his name and messages appear |
| 20:06:35 | sorphin | i'm just waiting for the eventual "accidental" akill again ;) |
| 20:13:22 | Russ|werk | prpplague: haven't touched the lilo code |
| 20:13:28 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I did grub because it supported DOC |
| 20:21:29 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ok thanks for the info |
| 20:21:38 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'll see what i can get running |
| 20:21:53 | prpplague | Russ|werk: would mind sending me the grub stuff? |
| 20:24:03 | Russ|werk | prpplague: its a GNU project, so patches against it are very very ugly |
| 20:24:27 | Russ|werk | I'll just send you a tarball (includes doc support too, most of the cramfs stuff is in fsys_cramfs.c) |
| 20:25:04 | sorphin | Russ: toss it over here too? ;) |
| 20:25:09 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sorry dude, i'm firewall handicaped |
| 20:25:13 | | it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 20:25:13 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 20:25:22 | Russ|werk | prpplague: email |
| 20:25:31 | prpplague | Russ|werk: yes please |
| 20:26:02 | Russ|werk | I don't have your email |
| 20:26:10 | sorphin | <ibot> it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave |
| 20:26:11 | sorphin | Anders |
| 20:26:14 | sorphin | yes you do |
| 20:30:53 | sorphin | btw, thanks russ |
| 20:32:55 | Russ|werk | np |
| 20:38:42 | prpplague | Russ|werk: thanks i own you a steak and a bee |
| 20:38:42 | prpplague | are |
| 20:38:48 | prpplague | argh |
| 20:38:52 | prpplague | steak and a beer |
| 20:44:12 | Russ|werk | can I have a half a bee? |
| 20:44:54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sure thing |
| 20:45:05 | prpplague | Russ|werk: you want the ass or the head? |
| 20:45:07 | Russ|werk | only if it comes with a license though |
| 20:45:28 | prpplague | Russ|werk: lol |
| 20:45:41 | Russ|werk | (monty python reference) |
| 20:46:09 | sorphin | prpplague: <butthead> you said head </butthead> |
| 20:48:21 | prpplague | <marthastewart> welcome to our prison cell special, today we will learn how to use porno mags to decorate your cell, how to make a shive from a tooth brush, and home made tattos using coat hangers</marthastewart> |
| 20:50:04 | prpplague | hmm, why am i the only one that thinks thats funny? |
| 20:50:10 | sorphin | prpplague: not even gonna ask |
| 20:50:49 | prpplague | sorphin: you know, she's going to go to jail for her stock trades |
| 20:50:57 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:51:27 | sorphin | then you better alter that for a more feminine prison then |
| 20:52:38 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, i thought i did..... |
| 20:53:08 | sorphin | prolly more pr0n mags in a guys prison, as well as tatts |
| 20:53:18 | sorphin | and no idea what a shive is |
| 20:53:53 | prpplague | sorphin: a sharp pointed tool used to stick into another inmate for the purpose of killing them |
| 20:54:39 | sorphin | AH |
| 20:54:41 | sorphin | doh |
| 20:54:48 | sorphin | capslock slip |
| 20:55:10 | prpplague | sorphin: as for the tattoo's, its popular for them to bend up a coat hanger end into a shape and then heat it with a cigarette light and then stick on a captured inmates ass |
| 20:55:28 | sorphin | ah, marking property |
| 20:55:35 | sorphin | i won't ask how you know. |
| 20:55:37 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:55:43 | sjhill | asks himself why he needs to know this |
| 20:56:03 | sorphin | sjhill: incase they throw you into alcatraz while you're in cali *smirk* |
| 20:56:40 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 20:58:58 | sjhill | heh |
| 20:59:32 | prpplague | sjhill: didn't you watch shawshank redemption? you never know when the s%^t can hit the fan |
| 21:00:18 | sjhill | prpplague: that is one of my favorite movies, bought the dvd |
| 21:08:12 | CosmicPenguin | can anyone else get to intel.com? |
| 21:09:30 | sorphin | No. |
| 21:10:15 | sorphin | last 3 hops: |
| 21:10:16 | sorphin | 16 intelice-2.border16s.sea.pnap.net (206.191.169.214) 85.890 ms 85.253 ms 84.718 ms |
| 21:10:16 | sorphin | 17 192.198.138.36 (192.198.138.36) 85.092 ms 84.582 ms 83.176 ms |
| 21:10:17 | sorphin | 18 192.198.138.36 (192.198.138.36) 84.915 ms !A 83.127 ms !A * |
| 21:14:04 | Russ|werk | I can open intel.com |
| 21:14:37 | Russ|werk | (the website) |
| 21:14:46 | Russ|werk | and I get the same traceroute as sorphin |
| 21:14:58 | sorphin | they must deny icmp/traceroute udp |
| 21:23:33 | CosmicPenguin | I can't even open the website |
| 21:24:04 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: ECN? |
| 21:26:36 | sorphin | Russ: prolly |
| 21:29:23 | MonMotha | lots of big corporatiosn have broken firewalls |
| 21:29:33 | MonMotha | nvidia and IBM both block ECN I believe |
| 21:32:07 | Russ|werk | *still*? |
| 21:38:39 | MonMotha | last I checked |
| 21:38:47 | MonMotha | I eventually gave up and disabled |
| 21:38:51 | MonMotha | disabled ECN |
| 21:38:54 | MonMotha | too many borked firewalls |
| 21:41:45 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: you could always setup some iptables rules to clear ECN that is going to certain locations |
| 21:44:06 | file[irritated] | prpplague: you alive? *poke* |
| 21:44:29 | bhima | the AC control unit for my car is $140. so I need to reverse engineer it. |
| 21:44:56 | bhima | (that's the thing with the dials and buttons you use to control the AC) |
| 21:46:46 | Russ|werk | file: I think he left |
| 22:14:14 | prpplague | no still here, go swampped |
| 22:45:56 | cpenguin_home | Good evening |
| 22:52:16 | Nermal | lo |
| 22:53:53 | cpenguin_home | ibot: help |
| 23:02:10 | scanline | is back (gone 06:51:51) |
| 23:04:20 | sorphin | never has bothered w/ ecn.. not enough sites support it for me to care |
| 23:06:48 | kergoth | most routers seem to support ecn nowadays.. when its enabled I only notice about 2-3 places i cant get to.. heh |
| 23:09:44 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:10:11 | sorphin | still doesn't turn it on, i'd rather not have to go and toggle it off to hit somewhere then toggle it back on.. |
| 23:10:18 | kergoth | does debian have a config option in /etc/network/options to enable/disable ecn easily yet? |
| 23:10:20 | sorphin | but then, i don't use kernel firewall, etc.. crap anyways |
| 23:30:55 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: welcome home... :) |
| 23:34:52 | andersee | is back (gone 04:33:17) |
| 23:37:49 | cpenguin_home | is away: off to get my mom at the airport |