| 00:00:10 | sorphin | evening as2 |
| 00:01:49 | file | I should go get some coke and chips |
| 00:07:32 | prpplague | as2: is your nick like a library function, as2ps as2tiff as2png as2ascii |
| 00:08:49 | sorphin | prpplague: too late |
| 00:11:14 | prpplague | http://www.chrisfarleyfoundation.com/press.html |
| 00:25:47 | cpenguin_home | is back (gone 00:32:37) |
| 00:26:52 | cpenguin_home | is sort of back |
| 00:30:37 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: anything good for dinner? |
| 00:47:34 | scanline | is away: going somewhere, who knows where |
| 01:38:00 | cpenguin_home | off to the future in-laws house |
| 01:57:48 | bhima | /me yawns. |
| 01:59:20 | bhima | hi. |
| 02:06:34 | switchcat | greetings |
| 02:09:34 | switchcat | so, here I am looking at the info on the creative VOIP blaster... and wondering... why I would bother getting one of those.. |
| 02:09:51 | bhima | I have no clue. |
| 02:09:59 | bhima | if it went the other way around I'd love it. |
| 02:10:16 | bhima | I want something that deals with a phone line and gives me USB access. |
| 02:11:26 | switchcat | I just want a private hacker based free-calling VOIP/SIP network where individuals set up their connection --> phone line gateway, and allow you to make local calls wherever they are located if you are a member of that network of people |
| 02:11:43 | switchcat | there used to be stuff like that, I don't know whatever happened to it. |
| 02:12:44 | sorphin | dunno.. but if i really wanna toy w/ sip, i'll do it at work |
| 02:13:26 | switchcat | well I don't care what protocol it runs on, just as long as I can join a community of telephone line sharers |
| 02:13:53 | sorphin | nods |
| 02:15:04 | switchcat | there used to be stuff like this! <throws up arms in frustration and crys!> |
| 02:15:11 | switchcat | where oh where did these networks go?? |
| 02:15:31 | switchcat | and why oh why can I find noone to support shotgunning POTS dialup net connections? :( |
| 02:35:14 | ][N-Flux | is away: Bed... |
| 02:36:44 | sorphin | andersee: evening/morning/whatever erik |
| 02:38:01 | andersee | I guess it must be morning, since I just woke up... |
| 02:38:27 | andersee | Though it is curiously dark out and my kids are heading to bed |
| 02:40:55 | sorphin | grins |
| 03:32:50 | legodude | hahaha |
| 03:55:43 | sorphin | evening/morning/something tim |
| 04:03:57 | BZFlagIndia | heh 10:40 am, so morning. ;-) |
| 04:04:16 | switchcat | hmmm fun fun |
| 04:04:54 | sorphin | how can that be? |
| 04:04:57 | sorphin | it's 12:10 here |
| 04:05:04 | sorphin | 30 mins off? :P |
| 04:05:17 | kergoth | BZFlagIndia: morning tim. having fun yet? |
| 04:05:34 | BZFlagIndia | kergoth: heh. yeah actually. ;-) |
| 04:05:54 | BZFlagIndia | new hardware is always fun. and this will be inexpensive as well. |
| 04:06:05 | kergoth | BZFlagIndia: good good |
| 04:06:15 | sorphin | new hardware ? |
| 04:06:21 | BZFlagIndia | how'd you like a 240x320x16 pda with 32/64M for like $300? ;-) |
| 04:06:39 | sorphin | depends on what it looks like ;) |
| 04:07:45 | BZFlagIndia | zaurus sized, no keyboard. really nice display. ;-) |
| 04:08:07 | sorphin | made by/specs ? |
| 04:08:09 | BZFlagIndia | actually it's a bit smaller in all dimensions than the zaurus. |
| 04:08:33 | BZFlagIndia | well, I don't yet know who would be selling it in the US, I just know that it's cool. ;-) |
| 04:08:38 | andersee | morning |
| 04:08:59 | andersee | It is morning for me too. I just got up a bit over an hour ago. |
| 04:09:02 | andersee | :) |
| 04:09:09 | BZFlagIndia | the company I'm working with is Jesons/Infomart here in India. see LinuxDevices for soe more info. the PDAS is the Kaii |
| 04:09:43 | andersee | BZFlagIndia: get a free one for me? ;-) |
| 04:09:45 | BZFlagIndia | slept all day? |
| 04:10:00 | sorphin | BZFlagIndia: you know he did |
| 04:10:04 | BZFlagIndia | andersee: perhaps. wanna work on that sh3 uclibc release? ;-) |
| 04:10:05 | andersee | BZFlagIndia: went to sleep around 1-sh |
| 04:10:33 | andersee | BZFlagIndia: It would sure help if I had some SH3 hardware.... :) |
| 04:11:28 | sorphin | andersee: is an sh4 close enough? ;p |
| 04:12:04 | BZFlagIndia | sh4 would be fun too, but there are likely heat/power issues for an sh4 pda. |
| 04:12:09 | sorphin | well |
| 04:12:22 | BZFlagIndia | still wants a FPUful PDA. |
| 04:12:25 | sorphin | i was saying, if they're close enough/the sameish.. i'll put my dreamcast back online |
| 04:12:49 | BZFlagIndia | yeah /me chould get a dreamcast too sometime. |
| 04:13:16 | sorphin | grins.. i got the broadband, back when it was cheep ;) |
| 04:13:46 | BZFlagIndia | still really wants to hack the xbox for fun and pleasure. ;-) |
| 04:14:17 | sorphin | knock yourself out ;) |
| 04:14:56 | andersee | sorphin: sure. |
| 04:15:16 | andersee | sorphin: I've never so much as gotten to a login prompt on a sh system |
| 04:15:49 | BZFlagIndia | has. ;-) |
| 04:15:53 | andersee | sorphin: For uClibc 0.9.14, for example, I reworked the SH crt0.S without any way to test it.... :( |
| 04:17:45 | sorphin | has ran netbsd and linux on it.. |
| 04:17:52 | sorphin | andersee: gimme a couple days.. |
| 04:20:04 | andersee | sorphin: how hard is it to get a dreamcast to run linux and be on a network? |
| 04:20:05 | BZFlagIndia | file: so does a sub $300 linux pda count and the next fun project? |
| 04:20:28 | BZFlagIndia | andersee: run linux, easy. be on the network? no so easy. |
| 04:20:33 | sorphin | andersee: not hard |
| 04:20:48 | sorphin | BZFlagIndia: it's not hard if you have the adapter ;p |
| 04:20:50 | BZFlagIndia | the bba (broadband adapter) is tough to find these days. |
| 04:21:03 | sorphin | BZFlagIndia: taht's why i got mine back in the day ;) |
| 04:21:06 | BZFlagIndia | and no HD, so you really want one to do nfs. |
| 04:21:25 | BZFlagIndia | nfs over ppp sux. |
| 04:21:29 | andersee | notices that dreamcast consles are cheap on ebay |
| 04:21:52 | BZFlagIndia | what are they running now? $50-60? |
| 04:22:45 | andersee | $49 |
| 04:23:13 | andersee | Looks like no BBAs on sale. Recent ones sold for ~$90 |
| 04:24:06 | BZFlagIndia | I think curtis veit has one extra bba. you might want to bug him. |
| 04:24:16 | andersee | Hmmm |
| 04:24:21 | andersee | Indeed I will. |
| 04:24:31 | BZFlagIndia | hmm.. $49 for a workstation and $90 for the ethernet card. sheesh. |
| 04:24:37 | andersee | He is still curtisv@x.c? |
| 04:24:46 | BZFlagIndia | should be. |
| 04:24:56 | sorphin | BZFlagIndia: well, you can make an ide interface for it too ;) |
| 04:25:46 | BZFlagIndia | sorphin: well, I would _need_ and ethernet interface. then with nfs, the ide would not be needed, just a "nice to have". |
| 04:25:56 | sorphin | :) |
| 04:27:43 | andersee | BZFlagIndia: well, I've emailed him... We shall see. |
| 04:28:02 | sorphin | andersee: i went out to get some switches from the local elec place (non RS) to do the 5v mod how you did.. bah.. they had no small ones, so now i gotta pay the RS premium for 4 of em.. sucks |
| 04:28:53 | andersee | sorphin: which is why using a little dip from my bag-'o-parts was so attractive... |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | :) |
| 04:28:58 | sorphin | just nice simple toggle spdt switches (one for each slot) |
| 04:29:08 | andersee | sorphin: how does one make an IDE interface for a dreamcast? |
| 04:29:09 | sorphin | well, i don't wanna have to pop open the case to switch it |
| 04:29:24 | sorphin | andersee: find the page, prototype, use ;) |
| 04:29:37 | andersee | has never switched has since installing |
| 04:29:55 | sorphin | well, if i end up using my proxim's they're 3.3v |
| 04:30:12 | sorphin | and i have some nice intel flash2 16M cards... |
| 04:30:17 | sorphin | those aren't 3.3v.. |
| 04:31:33 | andersee | sorphin: Ok, found it -- http://homepages.compuserve.de/bITmASTER32/dc/dc-ide.html |
| 04:31:39 | sorphin | yup |
| 04:32:04 | sorphin | it's funny seeing the 2 diff dreamcasts there were |
| 04:32:17 | sorphin | mine has no 'tubing' for watercooling like one did |
| 04:33:28 | andersee | BZFlag: no luck |
| 04:33:33 | andersee | BZFlag: curtisv@xmission.com |
| 04:33:33 | andersee | unknown local-part "curtisv" in domain "xmission.com" |
| 04:35:34 | andersee | BZFlag: Grepping my old emails, looks like he has an account on jfree's box. |
| 04:36:39 | switchcat | $300 pda.. sharp was selling the zaurus @ linuxexpo for $300 this week. :'( |
| 04:40:26 | sorphin | well, considering i just spent $450 on a new radio (plus tax/install), no new toys for a while.. gotta save the rest for bills/my vacation |
| 04:41:05 | switchcat | yeah |
| 04:41:23 | switchcat | silly me, I work for a non-profit charity... so... my ability to get toys... |
| 04:41:33 | sorphin | yup |
| 04:41:39 | switchcat | is basically equivalent to my ability to get people to donate them to the non-profit. :D |
| 04:41:54 | sorphin | work at ups late night ;) |
| 04:42:30 | switchcat | is that a suggestion, or is that what you do? :P |
| 04:43:01 | sorphin | did that when i was in school |
| 04:43:10 | sorphin | worked 3-7 |
| 04:43:39 | switchcat | yeah, working at ups for 8 bucks an hour lifting heavy heavy packages over and over again so that all the money I earn, I can save up to pay my chiropractic bill. :P |
| 04:43:47 | sorphin | smirks |
| 04:43:51 | sorphin | 1st off |
| 04:43:57 | sorphin | they're not all heavy heavy |
| 04:43:58 | sorphin | 2nd |
| 04:44:10 | sorphin | there IS a conveyor that you pull into the truck ;p |
| 04:44:41 | sorphin | only had 2 heavys in the whole time i worked there |
| 04:44:47 | sorphin | it was 110lbs |
| 04:47:27 | switchcat | yeah well I forgo the hard labor to do the charity work. :P |
| 04:47:36 | sorphin | grins |
| 04:47:44 | sorphin | well, i'm about working for free at this point ;P |
| 04:51:03 | switchcat | doing what? |
| 04:56:52 | sorphin | engineer for worldcom |
| 05:05:12 | switchcat | ohh.. |
| 05:05:13 | switchcat | hah |
| 05:05:30 | switchcat | Are you vested in stock options? :P |
| 06:08:53 | sorphin | switchcat: i couldn't care less about the stock |
| 06:09:28 | switchcat | it was... a joke.. you said you were working for practically nothing... |
| 06:09:34 | switchcat | I was asking how your stock options were doing. :P |
| 06:12:09 | sorphin | well, considering wcom was dlisted |
| 06:12:16 | sorphin | they don't even exist now ;) |
| 06:12:42 | switchcat | hmmm delisted? I havent checked lately... |
| 06:14:52 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:14:59 | switchcat | holy crap... I knew they changed wcom to wcome when it first started... now i'm looking... it says changed to wcoeq... I go to that and it says changed to wcoeq.pk |
| 06:15:03 | sorphin | yeah, we were delisted by nasdaq a lil while ago |
| 12:56:34 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 13:09:01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: mornintg |
| 13:09:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 13:12:09 | prpplague | andersee: hey, got a question |
| 13:12:37 | andersee | prpplague: hey, got an answer |
| 13:12:51 | prpplague | andersee: what about a simple function in bb for grabing values from a config file? |
| 13:13:01 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... apparently evil forces are in action |
| 13:13:32 | prpplague | andersee: i know you can do it with shell scripts and such, but i would nice on the embedded end of things |
| 13:13:40 | prpplague | s/i/it |
| 13:14:33 | andersee | prpplague: I'm not picturing how such a tool would be used... |
| 13:16:40 | prpplague | andersee: well for instance like under the pcmcia configs you have your network settings: IPADDR=192.168.1.5 |
| 13:17:07 | prpplague | andersee: you could issue a command like: getcfg /etc/network.opts IPADDR |
| 13:17:15 | prpplague | andersee: for which it would return 192.168.1.5 |
| 13:18:26 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 13:18:53 | prpplague | andersee: too lame? handled other ways? |
| 13:19:12 | andersee | Wouldn't it be simpler to simply write /etc/network.opts in Bourne shell? i.e. IPADDR="192.168.1.5" |
| 13:19:17 | andersee | Then source it |
| 13:20:11 | file | waves to prpplague |
| 13:20:39 | prpplague | andersee: what happens when you are using one of the other smaller shells? does that work from there too? |
| 13:22:15 | andersee | Depends on the shell. |
| 13:22:23 | andersee | Most support such things |
| 13:22:53 | file | hums |
| 13:24:02 | prpplague | andersee: hmmm, guess i just like the clarity of calling it that way.... |
| 13:24:09 | prpplague | andersee: one more question |
| 13:24:37 | prpplague | andersee: what is the perpose of the vi signal captures in bb? |
| 13:24:53 | file | prpplague: is today the day? |
| 13:25:10 | prpplague | file: yep, at lunch |
| 13:25:19 | file | prpplague: ooh I'm so excited |
| 13:26:06 | kergoth` | prpplague: morning |
| 13:26:12 | kergoth` | yawns |
| 13:26:18 | kergoth` | hey file, etc |
| 13:26:23 | kergoth` | how is everyone |
| 13:26:30 | file | hi! |
| 13:26:35 | file | is quite fine |
| 13:26:39 | prpplague | kergoth`: morning dude |
| 13:27:19 | file | should go to the post office however |
| 13:36:56 | pattieja | sorphin: morning |
| 13:37:14 | pattieja | morning prpplague |
| 13:37:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ssdd? |
| 13:37:53 | CosmicPenguin | is absolutely in love with FVWM |
| 13:38:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya not too bad today, i've finally got time to work on a new rootfs for our thin client stuff |
| 13:38:06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cool |
| 13:38:16 | pattieja | prpplague: what are you planning for that? |
| 13:39:36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: gone to bed yet today? :) |
| 13:39:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: adding support for some usb stuff, barcode scanners, flatbed scanner, card swipe, pin pad, diskonkey security module |
| 13:40:00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wow |
| 13:40:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i ran him off with stupid questions |
| 13:40:15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: You've got some fun stuff going down over there |
| 13:40:19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 13:41:14 | andersee | prpplague: vi signal captures are mainly to 1) cleanly shutdown and 2) not crash on bugs (which happened a lot in the early days) |
| 13:42:22 | CosmicPenguin | is cleaning his office |
| 13:42:32 | prpplague | andersee: i still have not traced down my problem with the "i tried to touch invalid memory", for now i just turned them off in the build |
| 13:42:51 | prpplague | andersee: i'm going to spend some time today looking for the issue |
| 13:43:53 | andersee | k |
| 13:44:07 | sorphin | pattieja: you may or may not have noticed i didn't get to make it to the meeting.. |
| 13:44:09 | file | ARGH |
| 13:44:13 | file | I need to make dinner |
| 13:44:22 | sorphin | andersee: i'll try and get the DC online this weekend for you |
| 13:44:23 | file | then send this letter to the US via registered mail |
| 13:44:51 | andersee | sorphin: that'd be cool |
| 13:45:18 | andersee | sorphin: Since I have some SH work needing to be done... |
| 13:45:25 | sorphin | ;) |
| 13:46:33 | pattieja | sorphin: I was wondering if you were there or not |
| 13:47:17 | sorphin | was otherwise detained till about 5 till 7 |
| 13:47:52 | pattieja | that's ok. you could have come at any time you wanted |
| 13:47:58 | pattieja | between 7 and 9 |
| 13:48:01 | pattieja | no problem |
| 13:48:02 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:48:11 | sorphin | ah well.. so how'd it go? |
| 13:48:17 | pattieja | sorphin: what was going to be your "hard" question? |
| 13:48:22 | pattieja | it went very well |
| 13:48:52 | pattieja | the Zaurus presenter showed it on-screen through the available VNC server he installed for his ROM |
| 13:49:03 | pattieja | that was pretty neat, actually |
| 13:49:16 | sorphin | cool |
| 13:49:18 | sorphin | oh, btw |
| 13:49:21 | pattieja | I could have done the same, but the VNC server for the iPAQ isn't as polished |
| 13:49:28 | sorphin | since it's clear now, here's what myu friend suggested i do: |
| 13:49:32 | sorphin | "if it's ipaq stump em by asking about dual booting it while perserving |
| 13:49:32 | sorphin | the ce ram filesystem (and qickly duck to avoid any blows |
| 13:49:33 | sorphin | referencing CE might have caused) |
| 13:49:35 | sorphin | " |
| 13:49:42 | sorphin | ;) |
| 13:49:58 | pattieja | what about it? that's entirely possible and many people have done it |
| 13:50:09 | file | mmm food |
| 13:50:12 | pattieja | I was actually wanting to do something like the following: |
| 13:50:24 | sorphin | i dunno.. he has an ipaq, but hadn't linux'd it in a long time, back when he did, the apps sucked |
| 13:50:44 | pattieja | keep Familiar Linux on the internal Flash and reinstall WinCE to its own partition on the micro drive |
| 13:50:57 | pattieja | then he should have been there last night |
| 13:51:06 | pattieja | it's come a LONG LONG way |
| 13:51:09 | pattieja | very quickly too |
| 13:51:31 | sorphin | well |
| 13:51:34 | sorphin | he couldn't be ;) |
| 13:51:36 | pattieja | and we were able to get the developers of the bootldr and the Familiar distro to add some features for us, even |
| 13:51:38 | sorphin | he lives in MI |
| 13:51:42 | pattieja | ahh |
| 13:53:29 | sorphin | those things are too pricey for me.. |
| 13:53:42 | sorphin | tho, seeing as i just paid $450 for a new car stereo... |
| 13:53:46 | sorphin | i can't say much ;p |
| 14:49:24 | Xenoc | arg. |
| 14:49:34 | Xenoc | the 2nd time I run "make" in buildroot everything fails. |
| 14:52:28 | prpplague | anyone ever compiled fsck.ext2 before? |
| 14:54:51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you ever used minix on a rootfs before |
| 16:10:54 | kergoth` | god i hate ttymon. |
| 16:14:13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: long time ago |
| 16:14:22 | file | he's gone to lunch |
| 16:14:59 | kergoth` | starts hunting ttymon's creators to slaughter them and feed them to his cat |
| 16:15:14 | file | is excited as today is a ver good day |
| 16:15:21 | file | er very good day |
| 16:15:24 | kergoth` | its friday |
| 16:15:26 | kergoth` | of course its a good day |
| 16:15:27 | kergoth` | :-) |
| 16:15:30 | file | hehe |
| 16:15:46 | file | my wireless networking stuff is being sent asap, and prpplague is sending the TCSX-1 and a hub :) |
| 16:15:50 | kergoth` | nice. |
| 16:16:00 | file | yeah |
| 16:16:12 | file | except I think my new network card will conflict with my sound card |
| 16:18:19 | kergoth` | ? |
| 16:18:27 | file | it happened with my last network card |
| 16:18:35 | kergoth` | pci? |
| 16:18:40 | file | I only have 1 slot left... and it's shared with my sound card I guess |
| 16:18:41 | file | no ISA |
| 16:18:49 | kergoth` | ah |
| 16:18:58 | file | well, onboard sound |
| 16:19:25 | file | and getting it in there is going to be a pain in the @$$ |
| 16:19:42 | kergoth` | isa boards dont generally conflict with pci boards. your sound card is isa as well? |
| 16:19:50 | file | everything is ISA |
| 16:20:05 | file | the onboard sound is on the ISA Riser card |
| 16:20:24 | file | maybe I can manipulate it and get it to use different resources |
| 16:21:40 | file | kergoth` : I'm still happy to have wireless |
| 16:21:55 | kergoth` | you can of coure alter the NIC's irq/io/mem |
| 16:21:58 | kergoth` | understandable :-) |
| 16:22:03 | kergoth` | I still dont have an AP at home, myself |
| 16:22:21 | file | mine doesn't use an AP |
| 16:22:33 | file | you just set the machine to either server/client and it becomes an AP or not |
| 16:27:52 | file | CosmicPenguin? |
| 16:28:00 | CosmicPenguin | file: |
| 16:28:10 | file | how goes the cleaning of your office? |
| 16:37:37 | CosmicPenguin | not well |
| 16:45:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are ya cleaning your office because you got your pink slip, lol? |
| 17:02:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: man, I wish |
| 17:03:05 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:22:53 | file | prpplague? |
| 17:24:41 | prpplague | yes? |
| 17:26:14 | file | my wireless network stuff was sent out :) |
| 17:26:15 | file | neat eh? |
| 17:28:31 | file | your supposed to say: yes Josh, that's awsome |
| 17:29:18 | prpplague | file: dude thats awesome |
| 17:29:32 | file | should I be celebrating something else? |
| 17:34:07 | prpplague | file: should be leave for the post office in about 20 minutes |
| 17:34:28 | file | nods |
| 17:35:42 | file | mmm |
| 17:51:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you ever changed the keymapings in the kernel? |
| 17:52:08 | file | kergoth: wb |
| 17:52:13 | file | kergoth: my networking stuff was sent out!!!!! |
| 17:52:24 | kergoth | thanks |
| 17:52:26 | kergoth | sweet |
| 17:52:46 | file | 3-5 days probably |
| 18:16:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, not really... I usually mess with them at the X level |
| 18:25:25 | mallum | jacques: you there ? |
| 18:29:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: still awake? |
| 18:36:28 | jacques | mallum: hi :-) I was on vacation |
| 18:56:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i usually use the loadkeys function to fix the backspace/delete mappings for SCO |
| 18:56:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but when i do that some of the linux apps don't function properly |
| 18:59:54 | CosmicPenguin | console I presume? |
| 19:01:06 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 19:03:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 19:04:11 | prpplague | andersee: i'm actually using the loadkmap in bb now |
| 19:08:00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: whats up with the genext2fs package - does that use the devices.txt file now? |
| 19:08:20 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: my patched version does... |
| 19:08:33 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Stock, nope. |
| 19:11:40 | bhima | back. |
| 19:12:13 | bhima | PCMCIA reset - can I just use a random digital I/O pin and send a signal to reset a card? |
| 19:12:25 | bhima | I need to embed a tuxscreen with ethernet, without physical access... |
| 19:26:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: is your patch available globally? |
| 19:31:16 | file | prpplague? |
| 19:31:55 | prpplague | file? |
| 19:32:01 | file | status? |
| 19:32:28 | bhima | anybody? thoughts on PCMCIA reset? my dashboard needs a tuxscreen! :) |
| 19:33:47 | file | prpplague : if so, I will stop bothering you ;) |
| 19:36:12 | prpplague | file: the freak post office wanted me to fill out 5 pages of custom info |
| 19:36:18 | prpplague | file: i've got the forms |
| 19:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: whats wrong with a reboot? |
| 19:36:36 | prpplague | file: i'll fill them out this weekend and try again monday |
| 19:36:42 | bhima | cosmic: It doesn't seem to fix it... |
| 19:36:50 | file | prpplague : lol, you fill out the one and it goes through to the rest |
| 19:37:03 | bhima | the ethernet card sometimes will not exist without physical hot swapping. |
| 19:37:12 | prpplague | file: haha, five seperate pages |
| 19:37:22 | file | hahahahahahahaha |
| 19:37:31 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: not at all? Or is it just not being picked up by the pcmcia drivers? |
| 19:37:42 | bhima | it's being considered a memory card by the drivers. |
| 19:38:02 | CosmicPenguin | Thats because they couldn't find the drivers for it |
| 19:38:27 | bhima | right, but after unplugging it and plugging it back in they can find the drivers. |
| 19:39:28 | prpplague | file: you don;t even want to know about mallums |
| 19:39:41 | file | prpplague : uh oh - what? |
| 19:40:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its difficult to get stuff to and from England huh? |
| 19:40:28 | prpplague | file: i thought the postal guy was going to have a heart attack when i said i wanted to send it to england |
| 19:40:34 | CosmicPenguin | our HW guy is in England.... for some reason we always get flagged by customs |
| 19:40:35 | file | prpplague : rofl |
| 19:41:24 | prpplague | i especially like the question on the form "is the contents of this package illegal drugs?(yes/no)" |
| 19:41:30 | file | rofl |
| 19:41:42 | prpplague | ya like someone is gonna answer that one "yes" |
| 19:41:43 | Nermal | lol |
| 19:42:01 | file | whoever wrote the forms is quite smart lol |
| 19:42:18 | bhima | no, see, it's so they can put you in prison for a few more years for the extra crime of lying on the form. |
| 19:42:40 | bhima | also, it removes your ability to claim you didn't know you should send the stuff. |
| 19:42:47 | bhima | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 19:42:54 | file | prpplague : all the customs forms I've got have been done via transfer paper, all exactly the same |
| 19:43:00 | bhima | they're prosecuting somebody for running a mail order used underpants business. |
| 19:43:36 | bhima | it's illegal to use the USPS system for sending "disgusting" items or some similarly vague thing. |
| 19:43:36 | bhima | somethign that sounds like it could easily apply to Windows, for example. |
| 19:43:39 | file | haha |
| 19:43:52 | file | I love shipping to the US, it's so easy for me ;) |
| 19:44:01 | file | I just fill out a tiny sticker and stick it on the box - easy |
| 19:44:17 | bhima | If I want to get used underpants in the mail, I should be able to get them, damnit. |
| 19:44:24 | file | lol |
| 19:45:09 | file | oh well |
| 19:45:18 | file | I'll have my wireless networking stuff to play with for a bit |
| 19:46:50 | bhima | wireless networking is fun. my car will soon have automatic wavelan scanning. |
| 19:47:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I checked it into buildroot-tux |
| 19:47:21 | file | bhima: neat |
| 19:47:36 | andersee | I know for sure it is in 'buildroot' in CVS on uclibc.org (and busybox.net, and codepoet.org, etc) |
| 19:47:42 | bhima | the saturn's dashboard design is very nifty. |
| 19:47:52 | bhima | it's easy to remove the main panel. |
| 19:48:14 | bhima | and the resulting _big_ gaping hole will let me put in a tuxscreen, empeg, and possibly another head unit. |
| 19:48:49 | file | mmm |
| 19:49:13 | bhima | and my phone will probably clip in there too :) |
| 19:49:23 | file | hehe |
| 19:49:36 | file | I'm just putting up a small local proprietary protocol wireless network |
| 19:49:44 | bhima | propreitary? |
| 19:49:49 | file | yeah |
| 19:49:52 | file | it's not 802.11b |
| 19:50:13 | bhima | one of the pre-802.11 ones? |
| 19:50:17 | file | correct |
| 19:50:44 | file | that gives me a bit more security |
| 19:50:54 | file | plus I'll restrict access to the proxy to local IPs only |
| 19:51:06 | bhima | IPsec? |
| 19:51:13 | file | this is all on Windows |
| 19:51:32 | file | my wireless stuff includes some firewall/proxy stuff with a 2 user license |
| 19:51:39 | bhima | mmm, secuirty through obscurity. |
| 19:52:50 | file | it's called Sygate I believe |
| 19:53:16 | mallum | jacques: welcome back |
| 19:53:38 | mallum | jacques: A little bird told me that the touchscreen tinyX stuff has been fixed in X CVS |
| 19:53:39 | file | mallum: did you hear what prpplague said? |
| 19:55:05 | prpplague | mallum: for 4.2 ? |
| 19:55:27 | mallum | file: no |
| 19:55:42 | prpplague | mallum: i thought the postal guy was going to have a heart attack when i said i wanted to send it to england |
| 19:56:10 | prpplague | mallum: i spent almost 45 minutes for the guy to get all the forms |
| 19:56:21 | mallum | prpplague: eek! |
| 19:56:30 | file | oh well! |
| 19:56:42 | mallum | prpplague: yes 4.2 ( or more like 4.3 with current CVS ) |
| 19:57:01 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: So if I pull the tarball from uclibc CVS I am good to go, eh? |
| 19:58:50 | prpplague | mallum: this bites, i just spend a week getting all the build just right on 4.1 |
| 19:59:36 | file | must wait a few days now |
| 20:00:15 | mallum | prpplague: :( |
| 20:00:49 | file | oh goody - my proxy/firewall software will run on NT(6a) |
| 20:01:00 | mallum | prpplague: did you get the postman sorted though ? |
| 20:01:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Well. From the same CVS root anyways... |
| 20:01:32 | bhima | this is one of the reasons I like running very little on the tuxscreen itself and making most of the aps run on another unix box via X11. building is much easier :) |
| 20:01:48 | andersee | http://codepoet.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/sources/genext2fs.patch?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 20:01:51 | andersee | http://codepoet.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/make/ext2root.mk?rev=1.2&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 20:02:39 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh.... |
| 20:03:10 | file | argh the post office screwed up I think |
| 20:03:24 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thanks |
| 20:04:07 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 20:04:09 | prpplague | mallum: yes and no, i got all the forms i need now, i'll fill them out this weekend and try again monday |
| 20:04:17 | prpplague | mallum: i ran out of lunch time |
| 20:04:41 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: thats what you pay me the big bucks for. ;-) |
| 20:04:50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:06:02 | kergoth | andersee: has anyone added device table support to mkcramfs yet, do you know? |
| 20:06:11 | andersee | kergoth: dunno |
| 20:06:30 | kergoth | k, thought id ask. |
| 20:06:32 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:06:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:06:34 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: BTW, be aware that I cut a few small corners when adding device tables to that util... |
| 20:06:56 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Also be aware that it cannot create ext2 filesystems bigger than 8 MB.... |
| 20:13:50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: doh? Anything fixable? |
| 20:14:00 | CosmicPenguin | Is it a bug or a limitation? |
| 20:16:26 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:18:14 | bhima | any suggestions of places to buy weird wire/cable other than digikey and mouser? |
| 20:18:50 | bhima | weird/uncommon/etc? need some balanced four channel audio cable. |
| 20:28:10 | prpplague | as2: you missed my joke the other night about your nick |
| 20:29:08 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: everything is fixable.... |
| 20:29:09 | andersee | :) |
| 20:31:37 | jacques | mallum: WOW really??? |
| 20:34:16 | as2 | prp, was it a joke worth missing? |
| 20:35:24 | prpplague | as2: ya probably |
| 20:36:22 | prpplague | as2: i asked if you were a library function like as2ps, as2png, as2pcl, as2ascii |
| 20:38:21 | file | is a file |
| 20:44:48 | prpplague | andersee: got a question about tinylogin, i've got it compilied and up and running, however when i try to do passwd on a user i immediately get a "bad password: too short" and dropped back to the shell prompt |
| 20:45:11 | prpplague | andersee: if this is a RTFM, just let me know |
| 20:47:01 | file | prpplague: no soup for you! |
| 20:47:20 | andersee | prpplague: type a longer password |
| 20:47:28 | file | laughs |
| 20:47:41 | prpplague | andersee: thats just it, it doesn't even prompt me to enter a pasword |
| 20:47:57 | andersee | prpplague: is tinylogin not setuid root? |
| 20:48:56 | file | disco dances around the room |
| 20:49:10 | prpplague | andersee: no |
| 20:49:36 | andersee | prpplague: tinylogin can't go changing passwords unless it is setuid root |
| 20:50:54 | prpplague | andersee: ahh, missied it, sorry to waste your time |
| 20:52:54 | andersee | prpplague: np |
| 21:05:24 | prpplague | andersee: still having problems, but i'll track it down myself |
| 21:08:09 | as2 | prp, Ahh, goes right past me I'm afraid ;] |
| 21:08:52 | file | pokes people |
| 21:09:31 | kergoth | file: dont poke me, damn you |
| 21:09:39 | file | nudges kergoth |
| 21:09:52 | kergoth | thats better |
| 21:09:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:10:13 | file | nudges kergoth with his wireless network pcmcia card |
| 21:10:48 | kergoth | beats file over the head with a sa1110 reference manual |
| 21:10:49 | jacques | anyone know how to block a site in a sendmail.cf ? |
| 21:10:59 | file | cries |
| 21:11:07 | jacques | I have a three-machine mail loop going |
| 21:11:13 | jacques | of a large file |
| 21:11:18 | file | lol |
| 21:11:23 | file | always wondered if somebody had done that |
| 21:19:57 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, seems the getpass function is choking on something |
| 21:22:07 | andersee | prpplague: Hmm. |
| 21:22:44 | MonMotha | kergoth: be careful, that might be considered assault with a deadly weapon in some states |
| 21:23:08 | prpplague | andersee: looks like it doesn't like the way i have /dev/tty symlinked |
| 21:23:24 | andersee | prpplague: symlinked? |
| 21:23:33 | andersee | $ ll /dev/tty |
| 21:23:33 | andersee | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Mar 17 21:56 /dev/tty |
| 21:23:44 | andersee | Not char 5,0? |
| 21:24:42 | prpplague | andersee: ls -al /dev/tty /dev/tty -> /tmp/tty |
| 21:25:14 | andersee | You using glibc? |
| 21:25:33 | prpplague | andersee: ya |
| 21:26:47 | andersee | prpplague: That explains it. Glibc doesn't like it when you do that. uClibc is cool with it though. |
| 21:27:09 | andersee | prpplague: get a better C library. ;-) |
| 21:27:19 | prpplague | andersee: lol |
| 21:27:34 | prpplague | andersee: ya i have a work around, i just got to know when its a problem |
| 21:27:52 | prpplague | andersee: thanks for the help again |
| 21:41:38 | kergoth`work | goes home |
| 21:53:54 | mallum | jacques: yes apparently jg just built a load of new x ipkgs from CVS ( after a patch for the ts was supplied ) |
| 21:55:02 | jacques | mallum: what do you know about the patch? where did it come from? what was it to? ts.c ? |
| 22:19:12 | prpplague | heads home for matchbox-fest 2002 |
| 22:40:26 | mallum | jacques: ts.c I think ? not sure who did it, jg told me |
| 22:46:19 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 5 hours, 14 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: a7r: I always thought the EULA ruled, but it didn't seem we needed to pick any fights, ergo the previous download. [Fri Aug 16 18:31:59 2002] |
| 22:46:19 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 23:03:57 | jacques | am i the only one who finds the sendmail.org site docs totally incomprehensible |
| 23:03:58 | jacques | ? |
| 23:19:15 | legodude | ugh |
| 23:19:19 | legodude | I do too |
| 23:19:23 | legodude | I tried sendmail once |
| 23:19:31 | legodude | but qmail is just soo much better |
| 23:19:33 | legodude | so I use that instead |
| 23:21:51 | andersee | uses postfix |
| 23:23:16 | jacques | legodude: yeah I use qmail when I can, but even it s a little arcane in the config file area |
| 23:23:20 | jacques | and the install... |
| 23:23:37 | jacques | but at least it works and is fast ans relatively secure |
| 23:25:39 | file | is back for a moment |
| 23:31:26 | file | BZFlag: how are you enjoying it? |
| 23:31:40 | file | 203.117.181.12 |
| 23:31:42 | file | arg |
| 23:32:21 | BZFlag | file: sure. hear about my next pda project? |
| 23:32:35 | file | negative |
| 23:33:03 | BZFlag | sh3, sub $300 pricing. usb host and function, 32M/64M CF, SD/MMC |
| 23:33:29 | BZFlag | it looks cool. the Kaii from Infomart. |
| 23:33:30 | file | drools |
| 23:33:43 | BZFlag | could be out by november. |
| 23:34:09 | BZFlag | it's a bit smaller than the zaurus in all dimensions. |
| 23:34:10 | file | do we all get free demos? :) |
| 23:34:25 | BZFlag | what sub $300 not good enough? sheesh. ;-) |
| 23:34:34 | file | $300 is like $500 for me :p |
| 23:35:10 | BZFlag | I'm pushing for a cheaper limited developer release. looks optimistic. |
| 23:35:37 | file | well |
| 23:35:49 | file | unless my boss wants me to program for it, then I doubt I'll have one |
| 23:45:05 | jacques | 16bit color? :-D |
| 23:45:12 | jacques | how fast is the proc? |