| 00:30:11 | CosmicPenguin | Good evening |
| 00:31:08 | MonMotha | is the LCD on these things supposed to be really bad? |
| 00:31:08 | MonMotha | like flickery |
| 00:31:36 | CosmicPenguin | yepers |
| 00:31:55 | sorphin | yeah, noticed mine isn't flickery, but definately noisy |
| 00:32:07 | Russ|werk | it depends what you are doing |
| 00:32:21 | Russ|werk | if you are starving the memory bus, it might flicker (fix available) |
| 00:32:35 | sorphin | Russ: oh? |
| 00:32:47 | Russ|werk | yes, because the LCD uses the system DRAM |
| 00:32:55 | sorphin | ah, shared mem *shiver* |
| 00:33:08 | Russ|werk | so if the memory bus is in use for extended periods, it starves and flickers |
| 00:33:18 | sorphin | so what's the fix? |
| 00:33:39 | sorphin | (and is it in the wiki ;) ) |
| 00:33:43 | Russ|werk | some patch or another |
| 00:33:47 | sorphin | ahh |
| 00:33:53 | Russ|werk | what are you doing to starve the bus? |
| 00:33:55 | Russ|werk | wifi? |
| 00:34:15 | sorphin | i'm actually not flickering, dunno what mon's doin.. |
| 00:34:27 | MonMotha | this is in inferno |
| 00:34:38 | MonMotha | when I first plugged it in |
| 00:34:52 | Russ|werk | oh, inferno, I dunno |
| 00:34:59 | MonMotha | haven't had a chance to put linux on it |
| 00:35:11 | MonMotha | well, I can put linux on it and see if it does it |
| 00:35:26 | MonMotha | the 12V and GND, I assume that's earth ground and +12V relative to? |
| 00:35:38 | MonMotha | in other words, just steal from my comp PSU |
| 00:36:00 | sorphin | yeah, you could do that |
| 00:36:04 | sorphin | however |
| 00:36:09 | sorphin | just used 12v from batteries |
| 00:36:50 | sorphin | cosmic_work: you do the 5v and/or the shanip (for sip) mod(s) ? |
| 00:37:24 | Russ|werk | 9V+2AA's... |
| 00:37:31 | Russ|werk | I used a power adaptor |
| 00:37:32 | sorphin | Russ: taht's what i used |
| 00:37:39 | sorphin | 9v+2aas |
| 00:37:42 | sorphin | worked fine |
| 00:38:11 | sorphin | man, all these multi names are screwing name matching ;) |
| 00:38:40 | MonMotha | ah, so it doesn't have to be earth groudn? |
| 00:38:42 | sorphin | Russ|werk: same Q that i just posed to cos.. :) (pondering em myself) |
| 00:38:44 | sorphin | MonMotha: no |
| 00:38:56 | MonMotha | works :) |
| 00:39:13 | sorphin | and it only needs it for a second (just enough to sense it) |
| 00:39:25 | Russ|werk | ground it to the tuxscreen ground (would probably be best) |
| 00:39:36 | Russ|werk | probably already done for you |
| 00:39:41 | Russ|werk | one of the pads is ground I think |
| 00:40:04 | sorphin | Russ|werk: well, that's fine but typically |
| 00:40:22 | sorphin | the gnd has to be on the same supply as the 12v |
| 00:41:39 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
| 00:48:21 | MonMotha | sorphin: still need to find that darn IC to build the jtag |
| 00:48:28 | MonMotha | I have the board all ready, just need the iC |
| 00:48:45 | Russ|werk | get a sample from TI |
| 00:49:23 | sorphin | chuckles.. it's not that hard to find.. any buffer will do |
| 00:49:51 | sorphin | Russ|werk: done either of those mods ? :) |
| 00:50:24 | Russ|werk | I've made plenty of jtag hardware |
| 00:50:26 | Russ|werk | sorphin: not quite |
| 00:50:34 | Russ|werk | they need to be 5V and 3.3V tolerant |
| 00:51:04 | sorphin | Russ|werk: true.. |
| 00:51:23 | sorphin | so not quite any buffer, granted, but all the ones i've 'easily found' |
| 00:51:50 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i was talking about the 5v mod and/or the shanip (for sip/voip) mod :) |
| 00:52:27 | sorphin | crosses subjects *grin* |
| 00:52:34 | Russ|werk | done neither |
| 00:52:56 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:55:18 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: I can get it for liek a buck from the electonics shop, I just have to go there |
| 00:57:07 | sorphin | ;) |
| 01:04:28 | CosmicPenguin | Simpsons DVD set for season 2 should be out tommorrow |
| 01:05:09 | Russ|werk | I downloaded a bunch of futuramo |
| 01:05:14 | Russ|werk | er, futurama |
| 01:14:58 | CosmicPenguin | A guy at work won a DVD at the company party, and he downloaded a hack to make it multi region so he could get the region 2 version of Futurama |
| 01:15:39 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:28:17 | legodude | resumes the long solaris build |
| 01:28:30 | legodude | 300mhz just ain't making me happy |
| 01:32:55 | CosmicPenguin | legodude: but you're breaking ground - you are a pioneer.. :) |
| 01:33:22 | legodude | ha |
| 01:33:29 | legodude | power outage there didn't make it go any faster |
| 01:35:47 | legodude | wants a dual 1ghz blade with 8mb cache |
| 01:35:52 | legodude | that'd make compiles go faster |
| 01:35:57 | legodude | zoom |
| 01:59:41 | legodude | fuck |
| 01:59:50 | legodude | Configuring in arm-linux/libstdc++-v3 |
| 01:59:51 | legodude | make[1]: *** [configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1 |
| 01:59:51 | legodude | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final' |
| 01:59:51 | legodude | make: *** [/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/.compiled] Error 2 |
| 01:59:51 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 01:59:59 | legodude | anybody know what that means/ |
| 02:00:01 | legodude | doh |
| 02:00:10 | legodude | once again |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | Configuring in arm-linux/libstdc++-v3 |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | ./bin/sh: arm-linux-/arm-uclibc-/: not found |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | make[1]: *** [configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1 |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final' |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | make: *** [/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/.compiled] Error 2 |
| 02:00:13 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:00:15 | legodude | there we go |
| 02:00:38 | legodude | time to rm -rf buildroot-tux and start again? |
| 02:04:49 | legodude | cosmic_work: you know? |
| 02:04:52 | legodude | er |
| 02:04:57 | legodude | CosmicPenguin: you know? |
| 02:05:57 | CosmicPenguin | hmmmm.... |
| 02:06:19 | CosmicPenguin | it couldn't figure out the target |
| 02:06:29 | CosmicPenguin | second line |
| 02:06:35 | legodude | ja |
| 02:07:19 | andersee | The "arm-linux-/arm-uclibc-/: not found" part is the problem |
| 02:07:50 | andersee | Somesortof variable expansion problem from the looks of it. |
| 02:08:01 | andersee | What shell are you using? |
| 02:08:05 | legodude | bash |
| 02:08:11 | legodude | er |
| 02:08:11 | legodude | wait |
| 02:08:14 | legodude | it's using /bin/sh here |
| 02:08:24 | legodude | um |
| 02:09:13 | legodude | I have SHELL=/usr/bin/bash in my Makefile |
| 02:09:17 | legodude | the top level makefile |
| 02:09:25 | legodude | does that not get passed to other makefiles? |
| 02:09:54 | CosmicPenguin | legodude: andersee knows everything. |
| 02:09:58 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to watch TV |
| 02:09:59 | CosmicPenguin | bye |
| 02:10:19 | andersee | legodude: depends if you exported it or not |
| 02:10:27 | legodude | nope |
| 02:10:32 | andersee | try adding 'export SHELL' |
| 02:10:52 | legodude | well |
| 02:10:53 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ echo $SHELL |
| 02:10:53 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:10:56 | legodude | doh |
| 02:10:59 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ echo $SHELL |
| 02:10:59 | legodude | ./usr/bin/bash |
| 02:10:59 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:11:08 | legodude | should I add that anywhere? |
| 02:11:14 | legodude | just in the makefile? |
| 02:11:16 | legodude | or...? |
| 02:13:22 | andersee | Inside the Makefile |
| 02:13:32 | andersee | i.e. |
| 02:13:40 | andersee | SHELL=/foo/bar/bash |
| 02:13:43 | andersee | export SHELL |
| 02:13:47 | legodude | gotcha |
| 02:14:00 | legodude | nope |
| 02:14:05 | legodude | same problem |
| 02:14:13 | legodude | tries to run /bin/sh |
| 02:14:30 | legodude | I think casue it is compiling gcc |
| 02:14:36 | legodude | maybe that is the problem |
| 02:15:19 | legodude | changed that |
| 02:15:21 | legodude | let's see |
| 02:15:34 | legodude | doh |
| 02:15:39 | legodude | I think it's rebuilding gcc though |
| 02:15:41 | legodude | darn |
| 02:15:46 | prpplague | jesses guys take it to #flood, lol |
| 02:16:19 | prpplague | andersee: so whats on the plate for the codepoet lately? |
| 02:17:23 | andersee | prpplague: well, I'm trying to get a uClibc release out the door tonight... |
| 02:17:41 | andersee | prpplague: I really ought to get a busybox release out too.. |
| 02:17:42 | prpplague | andersee: fun, i'll let ya get back to work |
| 02:18:07 | prpplague | andersee: btw, i think i found the problem with the vi, i'll know tomorrow when i have time to test |
| 02:18:34 | andersee | prpplague: oh? cool, do let me know. Would be good to fix that prior to making a release... |
| 02:21:09 | prpplague | andersee: ok will do |
| 02:24:20 | andersee | fixes calloc integer overflow problem (also present in glibc, MS VC++, gcc, etc) |
| 02:30:23 | legodude | andersee: |
| 02:30:29 | legodude | ./usr/bin/bash ../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/bash /home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-3.1.1/install-sh -c libsupc++.la ./home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/stage/arm-linux/lib/libsupc++.la |
| 02:30:29 | legodude | libtool: install: `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/stage/arm-linux/lib/libsupc++.la' is not a directory |
| 02:30:29 | legodude | Try `libtool --help --mode=install' for more information. |
| 02:30:30 | legodude | make[4]: *** [install-toolexeclibLTLIBRARIES] Error 1 |
| 02:30:30 | legodude | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++' |
| 02:30:31 | legodude | make[3]: *** [install-am] Error 2 |
| 02:30:33 | legodude | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++' |
| 02:30:35 | legodude | make[2]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 02:30:37 | legodude | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/arm-linux/libstdc++-v3' |
| 02:30:39 | legodude | make[1]: *** [install-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 2 |
| 02:30:41 | legodude | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final' |
| 02:30:43 | legodude | make: *** [/home/legodude/buildroot-tux/build/gcc-final/.installed] Error 2 |
| 02:30:45 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:32:41 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:32:51 | sorphin | the error(s) are obvious if you look at the messages ;) |
| 02:33:12 | legodude | it's not a directory? |
| 02:33:16 | sorphin | right |
| 02:33:21 | legodude | but more importantly, why do these errors appear? |
| 02:33:25 | legodude | that's what I want to know |
| 02:33:53 | sorphin | well, seeing as you're compiling gcc 3.1.1 could just be a badly written makefile? |
| 02:33:59 | sorphin | won't use about 3.0.4 |
| 02:34:21 | legodude | I'm just pulling the latest buildroot-tux off of cvs |
| 02:34:39 | andersee | thinks gcc 3.0.x sucks, but gcc 3.1.1 is quite a nice compiler (if a bit slower than it used to be) |
| 02:34:57 | sorphin | andersee: and just how does 3.0.x suck? works great here :P |
| 02:35:19 | legodude | what should I do here? |
| 02:35:22 | andersee | I've had it produce bad code for me on mips, for starters |
| 02:35:23 | sorphin | what sucks, is compiling busybox, and the damn program can't even run any of it's internals ;p |
| 02:35:41 | legodude | gcc 3 had problems on sparc too |
| 02:35:48 | legodude | but now it seems better with 3.1 and greater |
| 02:36:22 | andersee | legodude: I don't see anything jumping out at me. |
| 02:36:26 | sorphin | has been using 3.0.4 on a mips box for a lil while now (2 actually) and it works fine |
| 02:36:42 | andersee | legodude: What version of libtool is installed? |
| 02:37:14 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ libtool --version |
| 02:37:14 | legodude | ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.4 (1.920 2001/04/24 23:26:18) |
| 02:37:14 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:37:23 | andersee | sorphin: My experience with my mipsel box was different I'm afraid. |
| 02:37:44 | sorphin | chuckles.. well, i don't use mipsel, just mips (aka big endian) |
| 02:38:13 | sorphin | as does the tivo series 2 which is my other mips box (the 1st is an I2) |
| 02:38:36 | sorphin | anyways |
| 02:38:43 | andersee | $ autoconf --version |
| 02:38:43 | andersee | Autoconf version 2.13 |
| 02:38:43 | andersee | $ automake --version | head -n 1 |
| 02:38:43 | andersee | automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p4 |
| 02:38:43 | andersee | $ libtool --version |
| 02:38:44 | andersee | ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.4.2a (1.922.2.79 2001/11/28 21:50:31) |
| 02:38:44 | sorphin | enough compiler version arguing ;) |
| 02:39:10 | sorphin | it's bitching because it wants a dir where his .la file is being put in the line.. |
| 02:39:14 | andersee | sorphin: my mipsel box is a Cobalt Qubev2 |
| 02:39:24 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:39:40 | legodude | my autoconf is 2.53 |
| 02:39:46 | legodude | my automake seems b0rked |
| 02:39:54 | legodude | should I try a newer libtool? |
| 02:39:55 | legodude | or what? |
| 02:40:02 | sorphin | was just pointing out that it works just fine on 2 big endian mips boxen *shrug* |
| 02:40:02 | legodude | I'm completely lost with stuff like this |
| 02:40:08 | sorphin | legodude: might not hurt |
| 02:41:03 | legodude | a'right |
| 02:41:07 | legodude | any other suggestions? |
| 02:41:11 | andersee | Its certainly worth a try |
| 02:41:13 | sorphin | however |
| 02:41:16 | sorphin | your problem is |
| 02:41:18 | sorphin | for some reason |
| 02:41:31 | sorphin | it's tacking on the lib name onto the dir, when it shouldn't |
| 02:41:39 | sorphin | so there's something in the makefile |
| 02:41:45 | sorphin | that's flawed |
| 02:41:59 | andersee | sorphin: Is your devel system a sparc linux box, or a solaris sparc box? |
| 02:42:04 | sorphin | i don't have a 3.1 makefile to check however |
| 02:42:32 | sorphin | andersee: actually, it's a cross compiling athlon |
| 02:43:00 | sorphin | tho i can compile native on either mips box too.. |
| 02:43:46 | andersee | err. Sorry. Was intending to ask legodude |
| 02:43:50 | andersee | legodude: Is your devel system a sparc linux box, or a solaris sparc box? |
| 02:44:01 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ uname -a |
| 02:44:01 | legodude | SunOS ultra30 5.9 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-30 |
| 02:44:01 | legodude | ultra30:~/buildroot-tux$ |
| 02:45:19 | legodude | I've been installing lots of gnu stuff though |
| 02:45:28 | legodude | so it's getting to look kinda linuxish |
| 02:45:33 | sorphin | legodude: sunfreeware.com :) |
| 02:45:37 | legodude | ja |
| 02:45:42 | legodude | but some of their stuff is b0rked |
| 02:45:53 | legodude | like fileutils doesn't include install |
| 02:46:18 | sorphin | andersee: fyi, taht comment i made about busybox... oddly enough.. it was uLibc that was hosing busybox, if i gave it a glibc to play w/, it was just dandy.. static or dynamic.. |
| 02:46:21 | sorphin | on x86 |
| 02:46:31 | andersee | sorphin: details? |
| 02:46:42 | legodude | and their automake is broken |
| 02:46:48 | sorphin | was making a small ramdisk setup for my wsp |
| 02:47:00 | sorphin | ulibc compiled fine |
| 02:47:07 | sorphin | busy compiled fine |
| 02:47:14 | andersee | sorphin: since I'm both the busybox and the uClibc maintainer, I like to be ontop of such things... |
| 02:47:22 | sorphin | but if you tried to run busy compiled w/ ulibc |
| 02:47:30 | sorphin | always said it couldn't find the command |
| 02:47:35 | sorphin | whether internal or external |
| 02:47:44 | sorphin | but w/ glibc it was peachy |
| 02:47:47 | legodude | goes to bed and will attempt this again tomorrow, starting from clean with new libtool and automake |
| 02:47:51 | sorphin | could dupe it on all his boxes |
| 02:47:54 | legodude | g'nite guys, thanks for help |
| 02:48:02 | andersee | night |
| 02:48:08 | sorphin | good luck tomorrow |
| 02:49:02 | andersee | sorphin: If I understand you correctly, busybox wouldn't run any compiled in applets? What version of busybox, uClibc? |
| 02:49:04 | sorphin | couldn't for the life of me find why, nor could google nor the list search reveal anything |
| 02:49:13 | sorphin | lemme find it.. |
| 02:50:36 | andersee | k |
| 02:50:40 | sorphin | cvs that i pulled back in may of BB |
| 02:50:54 | sorphin | tho even .51 did it |
| 02:51:01 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 02:51:42 | sorphin | of uClibc |
| 02:51:48 | sorphin | 0.9.11 |
| 02:52:15 | andersee | Any interest in doing 'cvs up' of both and trying again? |
| 02:52:28 | sorphin | sure |
| 02:52:43 | sorphin | was waiting for some sign of an update in the code to try again anyways ;) |
| 02:52:57 | andersee | I've not had that type of failure reported, except for when busybox was used with a 3 year old version of the old uC-libc that had bsearch broken. |
| 02:53:19 | andersee | sorphin: well, uClibc 0.9.12 has been out for a month or so. |
| 02:53:33 | andersee | I've trying to get 0.9.13 out the door tonight... |
| 02:53:41 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:53:48 | sorphin | so is that basically what cvs is atm? |
| 02:54:04 | andersee | yup |
| 02:54:17 | sorphin | k |
| 02:54:29 | sorphin | cvs sync'd.. making, etc.. |
| 02:54:47 | andersee | Easiest is just to grab the daily snapshots, but a 'cvs up' works too. |
| 02:55:21 | sorphin | bah |
| 02:55:25 | sorphin | damn cvs merges |
| 02:55:32 | sorphin | where's the snaps |
| 02:55:57 | andersee | http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ |
| 02:56:12 | andersee | http://www.busybox.net/downloads/ |
| 02:56:23 | andersee | oops. |
| 02:56:42 | andersee | Add a "snapshots/" to the end |
| 02:56:42 | sorphin | ouch.. 4k/sec |
| 02:56:52 | sorphin | someone hand me a mirror *grin* |
| 02:57:02 | andersee | I think the main mirror is rate limiting things via http |
| 02:57:10 | andersee | You can use ftp.... ;-) |
| 02:57:20 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:57:56 | andersee | ftp://www.uclibc.org/uClibc/downloads/snapshots/ |
| 02:58:03 | andersee | ftp://www.busybox.net/uClibc/downloads/snapshots/ |
| 02:58:51 | sorphin | much much better ;) |
| 02:58:55 | sorphin | 153.25 kB/s |
| 03:00:50 | sorphin | erm.. btw i was wrong on the BB version.. it was cvs back then and it was 0.60.3.. |
| 03:01:13 | sorphin | anwyays, pulling today's unstable |
| 03:04:54 | sorphin | one thing that definately caused a prob back then too was the unified syscall.. |
| 03:05:50 | sorphin | compiling uclibc.. |
| 03:08:42 | andersee | sorphin: the unified syscall option is gone. Its not a per arch thing, and either enabled or not depending on the arch |
| 03:10:54 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:11:01 | sorphin | well, tis still in the Config |
| 03:11:04 | sorphin | oh btw |
| 03:11:12 | sorphin | getting tons of: /bin/sh: invalid character 45 in exportstr for ???? |
| 03:11:15 | sorphin | in busybox |
| 03:11:29 | sorphin | on make dep |
| 03:14:18 | sorphin | andersee: you'll be happy to know it seems to work now.. |
| 03:33:46 | andersee | :-) |
| 03:37:46 | sorphin | andersee: you have/done anything w/ a tux, or just code ? |
| 03:40:40 | andersee | Just made buildroot, busybox, uClibc, etc. |
| 03:41:04 | andersee | Did the 5V hack |
| 03:42:18 | sorphin | ah good, how bad was it ;) |
| 03:42:29 | sorphin | gonna do that and prolly the shanip (for sip/voip) |
| 03:42:45 | sorphin | kinda hard (least for me ) to see the angles on those pics |
| 03:47:55 | andersee | sorphin: the 5V pcmcia hack is very easy... |
| 03:48:15 | andersee | I've been intending to do the shaip hack, but I've been too busy to get to it |
| 03:48:32 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:55:58 | sorphin | ugh.. ok this is waht you call a bad cd rip |
| 04:56:06 | sorphin | or bad encode.. |
| 05:06:36 | Ailhaz | sorphin: Some people think the RIAA is tainting the pool of audio available for free on the 'net |
| 05:06:54 | Ailhaz | sorphin: I think that a lot of people just have tin ears and use really crappy encoders |
| 05:07:22 | Ailhaz | I mean, consider what some people call "music" |
| 05:07:39 | Ailhaz | not hard to believe that someone can accept a really awful mp3, when you think about some of that dreck |
| 05:08:30 | sorphin | chuckles |
| 05:08:45 | sorphin | this thing sounded digitized |
| 05:08:56 | andersee | never downloads music from the net... |
| 05:09:01 | sorphin | well |
| 05:09:09 | sorphin | if i had a good local source for vinyl :P |
| 05:09:28 | andersee | visits the public library, checks out CDs, and rips those. ;-) |
| 05:09:29 | sorphin | hell if i'm joining a pool again |
| 05:09:50 | sorphin | andersee: hehe well. i don't spin folk ;p |
| 05:10:01 | sorphin | ;) |
| 05:10:51 | andersee | my library is really close to my house and has a really good selection. Lots of DVDs now too. |
| 05:11:18 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:12:00 | sorphin | well, i only grab mp3s to get a sound for crap till i can snag it somewhere on vinyl.., cuz i refuse, if i can avoid it, to be one of those djs that goes in w/ a buncha mp3s ;p |
| 05:12:24 | andersee | good point. Use only .ogg ;-) |
| 05:12:35 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 05:12:48 | sorphin | has never touched and likely never will touch ogg vorbis |
| 05:13:29 | andersee | really likes his .ogg collection |
| 05:13:35 | sorphin | notes these ear buds aren't cutting it and goes to get his monitor phones |
| 05:14:41 | sorphin | ah.. everything sounds better through a $100 pair of studio headphones ;) |
| 10:52:53 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 13:14:42 | cosmic_work | is back (gone 15:17:43) |
| 13:28:16 | bhima | wow, there are still tuxscreens left? |
| 13:28:51 | bhima | wavels in case prp is awake |
| 13:30:23 | prpplague | i'm awake but not alive |
| 13:30:29 | kergoth | re |
| 13:30:44 | as2 | Hangover prp? |
| 13:31:19 | bhima | prp: that's ok. I don't mind vampires. |
| 13:31:38 | bhima | http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,15410-1018360,00.html |
| 13:31:50 | bhima | a good reason not to lick the breasts of strange women. |
| 13:32:47 | kergoth | man, i have to go to any url that gets a comment like that |
| 13:32:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 13:32:53 | dc_ | hrm de dum |
| 13:37:56 | sorphin | already sounds interesting ;) |
| 13:38:39 | CosmicPenguin | Who even admits to falling victim to something like that? |
| 13:39:04 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:39:21 | sorphin | interesting |
| 13:41:50 | bhima | I dunno. most men wouldn't really be that embarassed to admit having sucked on a girl's nipples, would theyh? |
| 13:43:23 | Nermal_Work | anyone orderd a tuxscreen here to the UK ? |
| 13:43:43 | sorphin | as did |
| 13:43:54 | as2 | I did. |
| 13:43:59 | sorphin | ;) |
| 13:44:02 | Nermal_Work | how long did it take to arrive ? |
| 13:44:11 | Nermal_Work | mine shipped a week ago last friday |
| 13:44:17 | as2 | A little over 6 weeks surface I think. |
| 13:44:22 | Nermal_Work | ie: 10 days ago |
| 13:44:30 | Nermal_Work | I told him to post it airmail |
| 13:44:42 | as2 | That must have cost a bit. |
| 13:44:52 | Nermal_Work | $40 or so |
| 13:45:25 | as2 | A single tux? |
| 13:45:28 | Nermal_Work | still the whole lot with shipping and insurance only came to 95 quid |
| 13:45:30 | Nermal_Work | yah |
| 13:45:42 | Nermal_Work | I'm stupid like that |
| 13:45:43 | dc_ | still. |
| 13:45:50 | dc_ | Nermal_Work: where abouts are you? |
| 13:45:54 | Nermal_Work | surrey |
| 13:46:14 | as2 | I was quoted about 75 USD for 2 airmail. |
| 14:10:58 | Nermal_Work | hmm |
| 14:11:03 | bhima | hmm? |
| 14:11:21 | bhima | oh, I just found out that one of my friends has a minivan and a tuxscreen, and is gonna integrate them. |
| 14:11:32 | sorphin | ugh |
| 14:11:42 | bhima | ugh? |
| 14:12:12 | sorphin | well, to me that's about as "useful" as those people that put an IOpener in their vehicle ;p |
| 14:12:38 | bhima | oh, bah. I have a tuxscreen in my car. |
| 14:12:43 | bhima | and it has a nice map of where I am. |
| 14:13:01 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:13:07 | bhima | I'm working on path finding stuff for it, and will be integrating voice recognition soonish. |
| 14:13:36 | sorphin | made a custom PS i assume? |
| 14:13:38 | bhima | it's not the hardware, it's the software. |
| 14:13:50 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: where is all this software? |
| 14:14:11 | bhima | right now I'm being silly and using an inverter. I just got the parts for a custom 12v unregulated-in power supply. |
| 14:14:45 | sorphin | nod.. never did look, what V/I does the tux get off that brick? |
| 14:15:11 | bhima | cosmic: I have a simple map rendering thing that works. It's poorly documented in terms of the toolchain needed to take Census bureau tiger line data to its format. |
| 14:15:11 | sorphin | the brick is rather light weight so it can't be much current wise.. |
| 14:15:32 | bhima | when I document it and fix it so that it can be used by others, it'll be widely released. |
| 14:16:02 | bhima | it needs 5v and 3.3v. I forget the current, but not too bad. |
| 14:16:13 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:16:20 | bhima | I'm using a surplus 12v to 5v DC/DC converter and a low dropout 3.3v linear regulator. |
| 14:16:21 | sorphin | at work so i can't look ; |
| 14:16:33 | sorphin | yeah, sounds alright |
| 14:17:07 | bhima | I did at one point use a pair of 5v output conveters, which were tunable, and some diodes on one of their outputs. it worked, but was ugly. |
| 14:17:19 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:17:42 | sorphin | speaking of 5v.. need to assemble the crap for the 5V mod (on 2 tuxes) and the shanip |
| 14:17:57 | bhima | I've just done the simple 5v only mod. |
| 14:18:18 | sorphin | ah, aka non switchable |
| 14:18:32 | sorphin | ironically |
| 14:18:37 | bhima | yeah. I need PCMCIA reset though. desperately. |
| 14:18:41 | sorphin | in one of the peecees |
| 14:18:51 | sorphin | i'm using a pcmcia->isa adapter |
| 14:18:53 | bhima | then I can repackage the tuxscreen into an aluminum enclosure. |
| 14:18:57 | sorphin | seems to be 5V only |
| 14:19:09 | sorphin | because of the card fitment |
| 14:19:11 | sorphin | however |
| 14:19:22 | sorphin | a 3.3V proxim card works in it ;) |
| 14:19:25 | sorphin | no probs |
| 14:19:39 | sorphin | guess one of the 2 things is quite tolerant |
| 14:20:08 | bhima | I think that PCMCIA cards are required to tolerate 5v. |
| 14:20:50 | sorphin | possibly |
| 14:21:06 | sorphin | so you don't toast them putting them in a position like i did ;) |
| 14:21:10 | bhima | PCMCIA is an old standard. |
| 14:21:12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:21:24 | sorphin | what sucks is how i had to trim the tab in that slot |
| 14:21:30 | sorphin | so the card would bloody go in |
| 14:21:30 | bhima | I'm pretty sure that it predates 3.3v stuff. |
| 14:21:44 | bhima | oh. yeah. I am repackaging most of my tuxscreens eventually. |
| 14:21:51 | sorphin | interesting safetyu feature, physically making the card not fit |
| 14:22:02 | bhima | which tab? |
| 14:22:14 | sorphin | on the pcmcia slot itself |
| 14:22:18 | sorphin | if the slot if 5V only |
| 14:22:26 | sorphin | a 3.3 won't fit in w/o modding the slot |
| 14:22:46 | bhima | really? sure it's not cardbus? |
| 14:23:12 | sorphin | yup, i'm sure |
| 14:23:29 | sorphin | the only diff between a cardbus and normal physically on the ouside that i've seen |
| 14:23:35 | sorphin | is the "gold" part |
| 14:23:40 | sorphin | this is on the sides |
| 14:23:44 | sorphin | the plastic |
| 14:23:55 | sorphin | there's a tab on 3.3 that 5v don't have |
| 14:24:05 | sorphin | or is aligned diff or something |
| 14:24:06 | bhima | well, if it works, it isn't. cause tux doesn't support them. |
| 14:24:14 | bhima | oh. no. cardbus have physical keying. |
| 14:24:27 | sorphin | this is on the sides |
| 14:24:41 | bhima | yeah. that's what cardbus ones do. |
| 14:24:42 | sorphin | well, yo ucan tell a cardbus too by that gold thing |
| 14:24:51 | sorphin | well |
| 14:24:57 | sorphin | this card definately isn't cardbus |
| 14:25:01 | bhima | maybe cardbus guarantees 3.3v. |
| 14:25:01 | sorphin | it is 3.3v tho |
| 14:25:47 | file | Mr. Mailman, where are you? |
| 14:26:16 | bhima | right, what I meanis, if you want 3.3v only, it might be that cardbus only slots are the only guarantee. |
| 14:26:21 | | ACTION file: no |
| 14:26:21 | sorphin | ibot tell file |
| 14:26:46 | sorphin | bhima: ahh |
| 14:26:50 | sorphin | possibly |
| 14:26:58 | file | sorphin: that is not a proper answer |
| 14:27:08 | sorphin | file: yes, it is. |
| 14:27:14 | file | sorphin: negative |
| 14:27:15 | sorphin | No mail for you. |
| 14:27:21 | file | sorphin: not yet |
| 14:27:33 | sorphin | No laptop |
| 14:27:47 | sorphin | No TSCX-1 (or whatever) |
| 14:27:50 | sorphin | nothing |
| 14:27:52 | sorphin | not today |
| 14:27:56 | sorphin | not tomorrow |
| 14:28:00 | file | cries |
| 14:28:31 | bhima | either of you have any opinion on Kia vehicles? |
| 14:28:38 | file | bhima: nope |
| 14:28:44 | sorphin | i looked at em back when i was looking |
| 14:28:47 | file | bhima: I like my mom's Alero... and the Jeta looks nice |
| 14:28:51 | sorphin | they're alright |
| 14:29:00 | sorphin | very stripped down tho |
| 14:29:24 | bhima | file: you're a brit, right? maybe? those doen't sound like US model names... |
| 14:29:32 | sorphin | he's a canuck |
| 14:29:33 | file | bhima: I'm Canadian |
| 14:29:39 | file | and they're in the US too |
| 14:29:44 | bhima | the Jeta? |
| 14:29:51 | file | bhima: yeah |
| 14:30:05 | bhima | naw. the US has Optima, Sedona, Spectra, Rio and Sportage. |
| 14:30:12 | sorphin | the Jetta is a VW |
| 14:30:23 | file | VW? |
| 14:30:25 | sorphin | Alero is Oldsmobile |
| 14:30:28 | sorphin | VolksWagon |
| 14:30:35 | file | yeah |
| 14:30:39 | bhima | that's what I was gonna say. Jeta would be trademark infringement. VW Jetta. |
| 14:30:51 | file | I didn't know how to spell it |
| 14:32:59 | TomW | Greetings all. |
| 14:33:15 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:33:32 | bhima | 'ello. |
| 14:33:44 | bhima | I now know two Toms with tuxscreens. |
| 14:33:56 | sorphin | has a strange desire to build a Nixie Clock |
| 14:34:06 | TomW | Ah, Tim still has about 50 phones left? |
| 14:34:12 | bhima | would prefer a Nixie GPS. |
| 14:34:30 | TomW | bhima: yeah, I got 5 of them. |
| 14:34:50 | bhima | hehehehe. I have 5 too. I think that tom7 only got one. |
| 14:34:55 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:34:58 | sorphin | has 2, for now |
| 14:35:13 | sorphin | got to do jtag recovery on one of em |
| 14:35:21 | TomW | sorphin: only 2?!! |
| 14:35:28 | sorphin | till i prodded tim to update the ReInferno instructions |
| 14:35:59 | TomW | jtag is fun (spelled: problematic). |
| 14:36:18 | sorphin | well |
| 14:36:26 | sorphin | it was nice not having to make the dongle tho ;) |
| 14:36:36 | TomW | yeah |
| 14:36:48 | sorphin | the fun of a 3.3v parallel port |
| 14:36:51 | sorphin | :) |
| 14:36:57 | sorphin | as for only having 2 |
| 14:37:10 | sorphin | kinda need to do somehting w/ the ones i HAVE 1st before i'll justify more $ |
| 14:37:52 | bhima | 3.3v parallel ports? interesting. that's all you need for JTAG? |
| 14:38:02 | TomW | I had problems with my jtag unit in connecting to the tux, it keeps giving me fits while trying to sync up to it. Someone told me that they had removed some of the filter caps off the signal lines on theirs and it worked much better. |
| 14:38:12 | sorphin | bhima: that's the main point of the buffer |
| 14:38:17 | sorphin | most PP's are 5v |
| 14:38:25 | sorphin | and shoving 5v into a 3.3v tux |
| 14:38:30 | sorphin | don't work happily ;) |
| 14:38:55 | bhima | my tux is cute. |
| 14:39:00 | sorphin | TomW: 100ohm resistor from +3.3v to nTrst (pin 6) |
| 14:39:10 | bhima | it wants to keep being happy and munching on raw fish. |
| 14:39:26 | sorphin | made a straight wire jtag |
| 14:39:34 | TomW | sorphin: ok, I'll give that a try next time. |
| 14:39:37 | sorphin | just some cat 5, couple connectors |
| 14:39:41 | sorphin | and a resistor |
| 14:40:04 | sorphin | taht speed is attrotious tho |
| 14:40:26 | TomW | jtag was not meant for doing very much... |
| 14:40:33 | sorphin | well |
| 14:40:45 | sorphin | its only good enough to send a new bootloader that's for sure |
| 14:40:53 | sorphin | at 680bytes/sec to the tux |
| 14:40:57 | sorphin | now FROM the tux |
| 14:41:00 | sorphin | it was 6K/sec |
| 14:45:36 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 9 hours, 32 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: really likes his .ogg collection [Tue Aug 6 06:13:29 2002] |
| 14:45:36 | sjhill | ibot: seen andersee |
| 14:46:30 | Nermal_Work | you know tom7 ? :) |
| 14:47:09 | bhima | tom7 as in tom murphy 7? sure. |
| 14:47:32 | bhima | his office is, I think, three floors up from me. |
| 15:20:10 | MonMotha | sorphin: yeah, and now I have to rig up a linear regulator or similar to get 3.3V from 5 or 12V |
| 15:20:25 | MonMotha | since I don't have an ATX system, I only have 5 and 12V coming out of the pSU |
| 15:26:49 | Nermal_Work | the guy that does the fonts ? |
| 15:26:54 | Nermal_Work | wow |
| 15:29:25 | bhima | yeah. |
| 15:29:35 | bhima | he's a computer science phd student now. |
| 15:29:55 | bhima | and they still haven't arrested him for flipping bits. |
| 15:30:19 | sorphin | MonMotha: eh? no atx system? |
| 15:36:33 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, I guess I have one I could tap the 3.3V on since it's all the same ground |
| 15:36:51 | MonMotha | but the system I'm using for all this experimentation is an old P133 that I don't really care if I blow up |
| 15:37:10 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:38:32 | MonMotha | yeah, so it's an AT system |
| 15:38:43 | MonMotha | hum...tux's adapter has 3.3V... |
| 15:38:55 | sorphin | man.. neither of thse pics is very good (for the 5v mod).. |
| 15:40:04 | sorphin | needs to dig up hte pcmcia pinout later.. (after i sort out these stupid flights) |
| 15:40:18 | | prpplague was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: BigBoss: and provides no souce [Tue Aug 6 14:57:31 2002] |
| 15:40:18 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 15:40:36 | sorphin | erms.. monmotha.. how are you bridged onto ipv6 ? |
| 15:40:44 | MonMotha | sorphin: tunnel to BT |
| 15:40:48 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:40:53 | MonMotha | EFNet just brought IPv6 online too |
| 15:41:04 | sorphin | really should ask SBC if they have have ip6 anywhere |
| 15:41:09 | MonMotha | I was the 6th client on IPv6 on EFNet |
| 15:41:14 | sorphin | nods |
| 15:41:22 | sorphin | has a 5 ip ip4 block |
| 15:41:29 | MonMotha | 5? that's an odd numer |
| 15:41:31 | MonMotha | number |
| 15:41:32 | sorphin | well |
| 15:41:34 | legodude | MonMotha: how did you get ipv6 connectivity? |
| 15:41:34 | sorphin | 5 i can use |
| 15:41:45 | sorphin | 1 for the gateway on their side |
| 15:41:49 | MonMotha | you sure you don't hve 6? |
| 15:41:49 | MonMotha | oh |
| 15:41:50 | sorphin | and network and bcast |
| 15:41:54 | MonMotha | ok, so it's a /29 |
| 15:42:06 | sorphin | 255.255.255.248 |
| 15:42:16 | MonMotha | yeah, a /29 |
| 15:42:20 | legodude | does not understand IP routing and whatnot at all |
| 15:42:26 | MonMotha | hates normal netmaks |
| 15:42:27 | MonMotha | masks |
| 15:42:31 | sorphin | well, i had to work in it all the time ;p |
| 15:42:32 | MonMotha | CIDR is so much easier |
| 15:42:34 | sorphin | have |
| 15:42:46 | legodude | MonMotha: how did you get ipv6 connectivity? |
| 15:42:47 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, tell that to cisco tests ;) |
| 15:42:58 | MonMotha | sorphin: I said it was easier, not that you shouldn't know both |
| 15:43:05 | MonMotha | legodude: I have a tunnel to BTExact |
| 15:43:11 | MonMotha | notice my IP is in their SubTLA |
| 15:43:18 | legodude | tunnel through ipv4? |
| 15:43:37 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 15:43:43 | legodude | you work for them or something? |
| 15:43:46 | MonMotha | ipv6 in ipv4, linux calls it sit mode |
| 15:43:57 | MonMotha | nope, http://tb.ipv6.btexact.com |
| 15:44:21 | legodude | whoa |
| 15:44:28 | legodude | is registering free? |
| 15:44:38 | MonMotha | yep |
| 15:44:39 | sorphin | too bad a) BT sucks b) BT is only in the uk ;) |
| 15:44:45 | MonMotha | I'm not in the UK |
| 15:44:50 | MonMotha | my tunnel is just ungodly high latency |
| 15:44:55 | legodude | why does BT suck? |
| 15:44:56 | sorphin | hmm |
| 15:44:58 | sorphin | interesting |
| 15:44:58 | MonMotha | and actually, their tunnelbroker is pretty good |
| 15:45:03 | MonMotha | ping me :) |
| 15:45:03 | CosmicPenguin | argh - GTK is not designed for a cross compile environment |
| 15:45:08 | MonMotha | should be about 200-300ms |
| 15:45:21 | sorphin | legodude: they're another monopoly and they just suck anyways ;) ask any brit ;) |
| 15:45:21 | legodude | I'll have to throw together a machine later today and try this out |
| 15:45:24 | legodude | looks very cool |
| 15:45:26 | legodude | ooh |
| 15:45:31 | legodude | that's BT as in British Telecom? |
| 15:45:34 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 15:45:34 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:45:39 | legodude | ahso |
| 15:45:43 | legodude | now I understand |
| 15:45:46 | MonMotha | horrible business ethic, decent tunnelbroker :) |
| 15:45:51 | legodude | why do they give this for free? |
| 15:45:59 | MonMotha | spur adoption of ipv6 |
| 15:46:03 | sorphin | naive |
| 15:46:05 | legodude | ahso |
| 15:46:06 | MonMotha | let people play around with it |
| 15:46:13 | legodude | does it get you anything cool? |
| 15:46:22 | legodude | ipv6 I mean |
| 15:46:48 | MonMotha | massively huge address space, decent multicast (if your OS can handle it, which linux can't unfortunately) |
| 15:46:49 | sorphin | you mean besides look different? |
| 15:47:00 | MonMotha | has 2^80 IP addresses |
| 15:47:04 | legodude | I mean are there any resources which are ipv6 only? |
| 15:47:10 | MonMotha | by comparison the entire address space of ipv4 is only 2^32 |
| 15:47:14 | MonMotha | legodude: not really right now |
| 15:47:30 | MonMotha | some multicast stuff mostly since ipv4 multicast sucks |
| 15:47:33 | bhima | I could make an ipv6 only resource if I wanted to! :) |
| 15:47:43 | sorphin | ouch |
| 15:47:49 | sorphin | -:- CTCP PING reply from MonMotha: 1.197 seconds |
| 15:48:03 | MonMotha | yep :) |
| 15:48:08 | legodude | MonMotha: does linux let you use both ipv4 and ipv6? |
| 15:48:12 | sorphin | legodude: yes |
| 15:48:13 | legodude | or is everything over ipv6? |
| 15:48:17 | legodude | shiny |
| 15:48:19 | bhima | maybe my printer will be v6 only. |
| 15:48:28 | MonMotha | legodude: you can dual home |
| 15:48:32 | legodude | very cool |
| 15:48:38 | sorphin | waits for the registration email |
| 15:49:09 | sorphin | yikes |
| 15:49:22 | MonMotha | 64 bytes from 2001:410:300:0:dead:beef:cafe:babe: icmp_seq=3 ttl=49 time=951 ms <-- my ping to EFNet's ipv6 server |
| 15:49:23 | sorphin | 101 pieces of new spam in my spam folder |
| 15:50:00 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:50:01 | sorphin | Dear Friend, |
| 15:50:01 | sorphin | I have your Personal Digital Organizer. It's FREE, but I need to know where to |
| 15:50:02 | sorphin | send it. |
| 15:50:02 | sorphin | Click Here and complete the form. |
| 15:54:39 | sorphin | so much for only taking 2 mins.. for the damn reg email |
| 15:56:41 | MonMotha | heh |
| 15:57:22 | sorphin | won't even need to set up his linux boxes for ipv6 prolly |
| 15:57:24 | sorphin | grins |
| 15:57:32 | sorphin | i'll make my cisco do it |
| 15:59:29 | sorphin | blah |
| 15:59:32 | sorphin | typical BT |
| 16:00:09 | legodude | what kinda cisco do you have? |
| 16:00:20 | sorphin | which one? :) |
| 16:00:29 | legodude | your main one |
| 16:00:34 | legodude | that'll do ipv6 |
| 16:00:41 | sorphin | they'll all do v6 |
| 16:00:54 | sorphin | 1605, 1601, 2501s, 2511 |
| 16:01:00 | legodude | wow |
| 16:01:05 | legodude | I didn't know they would all do ipv6 |
| 16:01:12 | legodude | I thought that was a big extra $$ feature |
| 16:01:18 | sorphin | laughs |
| 16:01:28 | sorphin | it's in the IOS |
| 16:01:37 | sorphin | and i download ios for free, so.. |
| 16:02:00 | MonMotha | you just need a semi-recent version of IOS |
| 16:02:28 | sorphin | usually is running the latest 12.x |
| 16:02:53 | sorphin | checks the "gateway" |
| 16:02:59 | MonMotha | my router is running linux |
| 16:03:05 | MonMotha | ultra flexible |
| 16:03:12 | MonMotha | unfortunately linux can't route ipv6 multicast yet |
| 16:03:20 | sorphin | wtf... something's dragging my link |
| 16:03:44 | sorphin | direct ether and 100-300ms |
| 16:03:45 | sorphin | wtf |
| 16:04:50 | MonMotha | my ping to my router is 250 microseconds |
| 16:05:06 | sorphin | that's nice |
| 16:05:19 | sorphin | mine isnt' normally this bad :P |
| 16:06:36 | sorphin | guess i won't be ip6 tuneling, since BT can't send a simple email |
| 16:06:43 | legodude | haha |
| 16:06:45 | MonMotha | is on a full duplex 100Mbit link |
| 16:06:54 | MonMotha | sorphin: I think stuart is personally approving all requests now |
| 16:06:54 | legodude | sits on FDDI |
| 16:07:07 | MonMotha | legodude: oh that's just my local link |
| 16:07:09 | MonMotha | my internet link is a cable modem |
| 16:07:11 | legodude | mine too |
| 16:07:12 | sorphin | MonMotha: ditto i'm on a fully switched network |
| 16:07:23 | legodude | I go FDDI-Switched 100-cable |
| 16:07:38 | MonMotha | loves his 3Com SuperStack II 3300 24 port managed switch...for his home lan :) |
| 16:07:40 | sorphin | has 2 fiber ports on his catalyst |
| 16:07:43 | sorphin | but i don't use em |
| 16:07:47 | legodude | runs all fiber |
| 16:07:54 | legodude | has a 108 port hub over there |
| 16:07:58 | MonMotha | doesn't have the money for fiber transceivers |
| 16:08:00 | sorphin | cards are too expensive ;p |
| 16:08:12 | sorphin | this fiber |
| 16:08:14 | legodude | I'm slowly moving my ethernet towards fiber too |
| 16:08:15 | sorphin | can go 1.2 miles tho ;) |
| 16:08:18 | MonMotha | I do have a 10BaseFL to 10BaseT media converter someone gave me |
| 16:08:25 | legodude | I can do 2km I think |
| 16:08:26 | MonMotha | but don't have anything to hook it to |
| 16:08:37 | sorphin | legodude: same thing |
| 16:08:38 | MonMotha | etheret is 2km over multimode full duplex I think |
| 16:08:40 | legodude | ja |
| 16:08:46 | legodude | single mode is a lot longer |
| 16:08:51 | sorphin | duh |
| 16:08:56 | sorphin | is going over fiber atm |
| 16:09:12 | sorphin | my dsl goes 2 blocks |
| 16:09:19 | legodude | to the CO? |
| 16:09:20 | sorphin | to a remote dslam |
| 16:09:24 | legodude | ooh |
| 16:09:25 | legodude | nice |
| 16:09:27 | sorphin | then hops on an Oc3 |
| 16:09:28 | MonMotha | gotta love ATM |
| 16:09:43 | legodude | atm is too much $ compared to FDDI |
| 16:09:47 | sorphin | nah |
| 16:09:48 | MonMotha | I have no idea what kind of link RR has in indy |
| 16:09:48 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:09:55 | legodude | sure it is |
| 16:09:59 | MonMotha | they own their own fiber I think |
| 16:10:04 | MonMotha | they go over ATDN for a LONG TIME |
| 16:10:05 | legodude | atm switches aren't that much |
| 16:10:14 | legodude | but card for PCs and Suns are |
| 16:10:16 | legodude | and rare |
| 16:10:31 | sorphin | legodude: i'm not talking for local lan ;p that's POINTLESS |
| 16:10:32 | MonMotha | I go through new york to hit something that's 5 miles up the street |
| 16:10:41 | sorphin | MonMotha: that's cuz RR sucks ;) |
| 16:10:50 | legodude | hehe sorphin |
| 16:10:52 | legodude | I was talking local |
| 16:10:55 | MonMotha | sorphin: on larger complexes ATM can be handy, but fiber has replaced it |
| 16:10:59 | MonMotha | ATM over copper that is |
| 16:11:02 | sorphin | well |
| 16:11:10 | MonMotha | sorphin: actually, they're decent except for the odd routing |
| 16:11:12 | sorphin | our whole backbone is ATM |
| 16:11:17 | sorphin | but then |
| 16:11:19 | MonMotha | 2.5Mbit/512kbit for $45/m |
| 16:11:27 | sorphin | our backbone is generally OC48+ |
| 16:11:27 | legodude | wow Morn |
| 16:11:29 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:11:35 | MonMotha | though I do grumble very loudly at the extra $10/m for an extra DYNAMIC ip |
| 16:11:52 | sorphin | sticks w/ his dsl |
| 16:12:00 | MonMotha | DSL around here sucks |
| 16:12:00 | sorphin | pays $79/month |
| 16:12:06 | sorphin | not here |
| 16:12:11 | MonMotha | I know someone who's waited for two months to get DSL installed and is still waiting |
| 16:12:15 | sorphin | syncs up at 1536/160 |
| 16:12:23 | MonMotha | well, we have a crappy phone company |
| 16:12:25 | MonMotha | that's slow... |
| 16:12:29 | sorphin | umm |
| 16:12:37 | sorphin | it's what it's supposed to be |
| 16:12:38 | MonMotha | I assume that's kbit/sec |
| 16:12:46 | sorphin | yes |
| 16:12:50 | MonMotha | 2.5Mbit/512kbit here :) |
| 16:12:54 | MonMotha | $45/m |
| 16:12:55 | sorphin | you're also on cable |
| 16:12:56 | MonMotha | really nice |
| 16:13:00 | sorphin | and dynamic ips |
| 16:13:01 | MonMotha | and it NEVER slows own |
| 16:13:08 | MonMotha | yes, the dyanmic IPs suck |
| 16:13:08 | sorphin | and dynamic ips <---- |
| 16:13:15 | MonMotha | but it hasn't changed in 6mo |
| 16:13:21 | sorphin | taht's nice |
| 16:13:25 | MonMotha | if I don't turn the comp off for more than 24hr, it doesn't change |
| 16:13:27 | sorphin | however |
| 16:13:36 | sorphin | we have charter cable here |
| 16:13:43 | sorphin | and i still think |
| 16:13:46 | sorphin | charter sucks ass |
| 16:14:01 | MonMotha | RR here is pretty good (though their business class is horribly expensive, I can get frac T1s for the same price) |
| 16:14:22 | sorphin | has the speed of a full T1, so.. fine by me.. |
| 16:14:43 | sorphin | rarely pulls less than ~156K/sec |
| 16:14:45 | MonMotha | I beat T1s routinely |
| 16:14:52 | sorphin | and.... |
| 16:15:05 | MonMotha | I've never seen <180kB/sec, and it was the other end's fault that time |
| 16:15:16 | MonMotha | any decently fast mirror I can pull 220-270kB/sec |
| 16:15:33 | sorphin | nod.. |
| 16:15:45 | MonMotha | the 512 upload is useful too |
| 16:15:55 | sorphin | drops the topic, because i don't really feel like being involved in a bandwidth pissing contest |
| 16:15:57 | MonMotha | uploading my huge kernel patches to my webspace |
| 16:16:13 | MonMotha | true |
| 16:16:17 | legodude | I bet I have the worst bandwidth here |
| 16:16:18 | legodude | beat that |
| 16:16:21 | legodude | 128 upstream |
| 16:16:28 | legodude | booYA |
| 16:16:34 | sorphin | legodude: only reason i'm 160k up |
| 16:16:40 | legodude | and crappy downstream |
| 16:16:42 | sorphin | is because of HOW i'm hooked up |
| 16:16:44 | MonMotha | legodude: ok, I dialed up once and I must have gone through smoe ages old switch at the telco...300baud connection baby! |
| 16:16:53 | sorphin | i'm only *guaranteed* 384/128 |
| 16:17:03 | legodude | nice MonMotha |
| 16:17:13 | file | lol |
| 16:17:15 | legodude | I've never done less than 1200 |
| 16:17:25 | sorphin | file: no |
| 16:17:31 | MonMotha | I have no idea what was up with that...I redialed and hit my normal 53333 |
| 16:17:39 | legodude | haha |
| 16:17:47 | MonMotha | I cherish that modem |
| 16:17:50 | MonMotha | USR x2 |
| 16:17:53 | MonMotha | NOT a v.90 |
| 16:17:55 | sorphin | never hit above 42k |
| 16:18:11 | file | looks at his modem |
| 16:18:12 | sorphin | but then |
| 16:18:12 | file | yup - x2 |
| 16:18:15 | MonMotha | I have to find x2 compatible numbers, but dialsprint indianapolis does x2 |
| 16:18:24 | sorphin | i'm also 15k from the CO |
| 16:18:27 | MonMotha | 53333 or 52000 every time but that one |
| 16:18:36 | MonMotha | sorphin: if you're 15k away, how can you get DSL at that speed? |
| 16:18:42 | sorphin | reread what i said |
| 16:18:45 | sorphin | remote dslam |
| 16:18:50 | MonMotha | oh |
| 16:18:55 | sorphin | i'm only on copper for 1-2 blocks |
| 16:19:01 | sorphin | then i ride an OC-3 |
| 16:19:08 | MonMotha | that works |
| 16:19:13 | sorphin | yes, it does |
| 16:19:31 | sorphin | only reason i pay $79 |
| 16:19:33 | sorphin | is the statics |
| 16:19:36 | MonMotha | I doubt ameritech even knows how to set that up |
| 16:19:46 | MonMotha | let alone will they do it |
| 16:19:48 | sorphin | MonMotha: umm |
| 16:19:55 | sorphin | ameritech = sbc |
| 16:20:02 | MonMotha | yeah yea |
| 16:20:07 | MonMotha | Amerishit sounds better |
| 16:20:14 | MonMotha | they really suck around here |
| 16:20:15 | sorphin | is on Project Pronto ;) |
| 16:20:21 | MonMotha | so bad that they got sued by the local government |
| 16:20:57 | MonMotha | where else can you order DSL in mid-june and not have it by august 6th? |
| 16:21:20 | sorphin | took me 3 years to get it ;) |
| 16:21:34 | MonMotha | I still can't get DSL where I am |
| 16:21:42 | sorphin | but you have cable |
| 16:21:45 | MonMotha | but I've had a RR cable modem for a year and a half |
| 16:21:50 | MonMotha | actually, I take that back |
| 16:21:54 | sorphin | had cablemodem a month |
| 16:21:59 | MonMotha | I can get DSL, just came a couple weeks ago |
| 16:22:01 | sorphin | it SUCKED so i ditched it |
| 16:22:12 | MonMotha | IDSL at 144/144, $120/m |
| 16:22:17 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 16:22:18 | legodude | had dsl from speakeasy |
| 16:22:19 | legodude | it sucked |
| 16:22:21 | legodude | so awful |
| 16:22:28 | sorphin | legodude: twasn't speakeasy |
| 16:22:30 | legodude | guys were morons |
| 16:22:31 | sorphin | it was covad |
| 16:22:35 | MonMotha | sorphin: yes, and that's PPPoE, dynamic IP |
| 16:22:36 | legodude | ja |
| 16:22:39 | MonMotha | at least my cable is just DHCP |
| 16:22:41 | legodude | well speakeasy were morons too |
| 16:22:50 | legodude | they would argue with me and whatnot |
| 16:22:53 | sorphin | legodude: sure it wasn't you? ;) |
| 16:22:56 | MonMotha | no crappy PPPoE, just plug in ethernet and do dhcp |
| 16:23:02 | legodude | positive sorphin |
| 16:23:05 | sorphin | MonMotha: you do dhcp? *snicker* |
| 16:23:15 | sorphin | doesn't authenticate/dhcp/pppoe |
| 16:23:19 | legodude | I'd plug it into where the phone line entered the house and not get a connection |
| 16:23:22 | MonMotha | RR has been very good about not arguing when I call them up and say that the line is down |
| 16:23:25 | legodude | and they would tell me I'd need more line filters |
| 16:23:32 | sorphin | taht 6th IP is on their router for a reason ;) |
| 16:23:39 | MonMotha | at least rr ditched the auth daemon a while back |
| 16:23:41 | sorphin | the whole block is just routed down my dsl |
| 16:23:54 | sorphin | controls it |
| 16:23:56 | sorphin | kinda nice |
| 16:24:05 | legodude | you resell to your block sorphin? |
| 16:24:06 | sorphin | should bug em about rev auth |
| 16:24:20 | sorphin | legodude: no, my whole IP block |
| 16:24:43 | sorphin | could get more ips from em for a 1 time fee |
| 16:25:06 | sorphin | get a block of 32 or 64 ;) |
| 16:25:26 | sorphin | too bad they can't go mobile |
| 16:25:36 | legodude | j |
| 16:25:38 | legodude | a |
| 16:25:49 | sorphin | ponders |
| 16:25:59 | sorphin | you're the only person i've ever met |
| 16:26:07 | sorphin | that always says ja and ahso |
| 16:26:25 | legodude | hehe |
| 16:26:38 | sorphin | and the only person i've ever seen use trillian's IRC and it works ;p |
| 16:26:42 | legodude | my friends made up a list of all of the weird things I say |
| 16:26:53 | legodude | I rather like Trillain's irc |
| 16:26:57 | legodude | it's not amazing |
| 16:27:00 | legodude | but it works nicely |
| 16:27:08 | sorphin | tried it once.. couldn't get it to work for shite |
| 16:27:18 | legodude | old version of Trillian? |
| 16:27:21 | sorphin | nope |
| 16:27:34 | sorphin | .73 |
| 16:27:36 | MonMotha | just uses xchat |
| 16:27:39 | MonMotha | it speaks ipv6 :) |
| 16:27:51 | sorphin | uses bx |
| 16:28:12 | sorphin | and i ignore ctcp ;p |
| 16:28:20 | legodude | loves IBM's support |
| 16:28:26 | legodude | man oh man was that guy nice |
| 16:28:49 | legodude | I used to use Baxter on BeOS |
| 16:28:56 | legodude | that was a nice client too |
| 16:29:07 | sorphin | tried BeOs once |
| 16:29:14 | legodude | loves BeOS |
| 16:29:15 | sorphin | it's hardware support at the time blew |
| 16:29:17 | legodude | I used it for years |
| 16:29:21 | legodude | I built my machine for Be |
| 16:29:27 | sorphin | so it got tossed |
| 16:29:27 | legodude | so everything ran great |
| 16:29:32 | legodude | and now I have a BeBox |
| 16:29:53 | sorphin | well |
| 16:29:58 | sorphin | only 3 of the machines i have |
| 16:30:04 | sorphin | are monitorable |
| 16:30:05 | legodude | dual 133 PPC603s baby |
| 16:30:22 | legodude | slow as fire |
| 16:30:24 | sorphin | legodude: bah, my dualie would beat that ;) |
| 16:30:27 | legodude | oh yes |
| 16:30:33 | legodude | this machine is slow like you would no believe |
| 16:30:39 | legodude | no cache |
| 16:30:58 | legodude | running like BeOS R3 it's very nice |
| 16:31:00 | MonMotha | what kind of idiot builds a dual processor machine with no cache? |
| 16:31:02 | legodude | but R5 is just too sluggish |
| 16:31:11 | sorphin | MonMotha: it's an old ppc :P |
| 16:31:15 | legodude | MonMotha: the way the 603 is, it can either do cache or MP |
| 16:31:18 | legodude | but not both |
| 16:31:31 | legodude | and 604 was way too expensive at the time |
| 16:31:34 | MonMotha | I'd think that cache would make it work better than being MP |
| 16:31:45 | legodude | this was a MP machine for like $1800 which was amazing at the time |
| 16:31:53 | legodude | MonMotha: not really for BeOS |
| 16:32:02 | sorphin | my dualie does well for what it is |
| 16:32:06 | sorphin | tho it doesnt' do much anymore |
| 16:32:32 | legodude | what kinda dual is it? |
| 16:32:33 | sorphin | dual 256k cache PPro 200s |
| 16:32:42 | legodude | that would 0wn for Be |
| 16:32:54 | sorphin | 1 of 2 procs Intel did right |
| 16:32:54 | legodude | my only other dual is my SM51 + SM41 SS10 |
| 16:33:03 | sorphin | my other dual is my SS20 ;p |
| 16:33:08 | legodude | what procs? |
| 16:33:13 | sorphin | sm71s |
| 16:33:18 | legodude | 50mhz and 40mhz is tyte |
| 16:33:18 | legodude | nice |
| 16:33:22 | legodude | sm71s are amazing |
| 16:33:23 | legodude | so fast |
| 16:33:36 | sorphin | if you consider 75mhz fast |
| 16:33:37 | MonMotha | sorphin: what's the other proc they did right (and yes, the PPro was a good chip) |
| 16:33:43 | legodude | the machine I'm on now can take dual xeons |
| 16:33:46 | sorphin | MonMotha: Xeon |
| 16:33:49 | legodude | sorphin: um, 1mb cahce |
| 16:33:52 | MonMotha | which Xeon? |
| 16:33:54 | legodude | sorphin: I totally agree |
| 16:34:00 | legodude | has two dual capable Xeon machines |
| 16:34:04 | legodude | I love em |
| 16:34:05 | legodude | so stable |
| 16:34:11 | legodude | I want 2mb cache 550s |
| 16:34:14 | sorphin | preferably PIII xeon |
| 16:34:16 | MonMotha | problem with Xeons are they're ungodly expensive |
| 16:34:19 | MonMotha | but they are nice procs |
| 16:34:20 | legodude | nah |
| 16:34:24 | MonMotha | yes, PIII Xeons are nice |
| 16:34:26 | legodude | old Xeons are cheap |
| 16:34:34 | MonMotha | well, I'm talking compared to normal chips |
| 16:34:39 | legodude | this system - 1gb ram, 450mhz scsi, was $400 a year ago |
| 16:34:45 | MonMotha | like Athlon XP/MPs, normal P3s, Celerys |
| 16:34:51 | sorphin | shivers |
| 16:34:55 | sorphin | the celeron |
| 16:34:56 | legodude | but xeon is stable like fire |
| 16:34:57 | sorphin | shivers |
| 16:35:03 | legodude | loved celerons |
| 16:35:05 | legodude | so cheap and nice |
| 16:35:07 | MonMotha | I've had decent luck with the Athlon MP...just have to be really picky with your RAM |
| 16:35:13 | legodude | I have lots of celerons in my house |
| 16:35:15 | MonMotha | hey mallup |
| 16:35:18 | MonMotha | mallum |
| 16:35:21 | legodude | goes to send a fax |
| 16:35:25 | sorphin | well, i went through 3 athlons to get this one ;) |
| 16:35:40 | MonMotha | my tbird has been very stable...the motherboard hasn't |
| 16:35:44 | mallum | hey MonMotha |
| 16:35:44 | sorphin | welll |
| 16:35:47 | sorphin | the 1st one |
| 16:35:51 | MonMotha | this is the THIRD TIME the bios has gotten fried onit |
| 16:35:52 | sorphin | got eaten by a copper shim |
| 16:36:00 | sorphin | the other 2 |
| 16:36:06 | sorphin | got eaten by pencil lead |
| 16:36:15 | sorphin | this one, i just said fsck overclocking and left it |
| 16:36:27 | sorphin | runs hot enough as is |
| 16:36:40 | sorphin | it has a dan MC462 on it |
| 16:36:45 | sorphin | s/dan/damn/ |
| 16:36:58 | sorphin | had to downgrade from the delta it was too damn loud |
| 16:37:58 | legodude | what's a mc462? |
| 16:38:03 | legodude | I don't do overclocking any more |
| 16:38:04 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:38:08 | legodude | it just ain't worth it |
| 16:38:13 | legodude | 366-550 was |
| 16:38:21 | legodude | but like 1.8-2 just ain't |
| 16:39:32 | sorphin | legodude: http://www.ocaddiction.com/reviews/cooling/mc462/ |
| 16:40:04 | legodude | ouch |
| 16:40:05 | legodude | $80 |
| 16:40:07 | legodude | ouch |
| 16:40:14 | sorphin | copper base |
| 16:40:20 | sorphin | aluminum pins |
| 16:40:25 | sorphin | 80CFM delta fan |
| 16:40:42 | legodude | my Xeon heatinks are like 4"x4" with huge slow fans |
| 16:40:44 | legodude | very nice |
| 16:40:56 | sorphin | well, this thing was made for OCing |
| 16:41:01 | sorphin | funny thing is |
| 16:41:12 | sorphin | damn tbird still runs too hot for my taste ;p |
| 16:41:18 | legodude | haha |
| 16:41:21 | legodude | I ran a peltier for a while |
| 16:41:22 | sorphin | not that the case it's in helps |
| 16:41:23 | legodude | that was fun |
| 16:41:32 | sorphin | it's in a 4U rackmount |
| 16:41:40 | legodude | I just buy high end machines nowadays |
| 16:41:45 | legodude | er |
| 16:41:50 | legodude | machines that were high end |
| 16:41:55 | legodude | but now aren't |
| 16:42:08 | sorphin | that heatsink |
| 16:42:13 | sorphin | weighs 2lbs |
| 16:42:21 | legodude | wow |
| 16:42:33 | sorphin | that's why it uses the bolt mounting ;) |
| 16:42:54 | legodude | have you seen the xeon retention brackets? |
| 16:42:57 | legodude | those are kinda nuts |
| 16:43:02 | legodude | big huge things |
| 16:43:06 | sorphin | yup |
| 16:43:23 | sorphin | ya know what i really hate? |
| 16:43:27 | sorphin | new procs |
| 16:43:38 | legodude | why? |
| 16:43:40 | sorphin | that lil ass die in the middle of the ceramic |
| 16:43:44 | legodude | ja |
| 16:43:47 | legodude | so fragile |
| 16:43:49 | sorphin | exactly |
| 16:44:00 | legodude | xeon is run over with truck and it'll still wurq beastly |
| 16:44:27 | sorphin | is liking mips over ihs sparcs |
| 16:44:38 | legodude | mips is more expensive though |
| 16:44:41 | sorphin | nah |
| 16:44:41 | legodude | sparcs are so cheap |
| 16:45:06 | legodude | r12ks are still expensive |
| 16:45:29 | sorphin | umm |
| 16:45:37 | sorphin | i'm not talking R10k, r12k |
| 16:45:49 | legodude | what then? |
| 16:45:56 | legodude | qube? |
| 16:46:02 | legodude | the embedded stuff? |
| 16:46:05 | sorphin | 4400 and 5k |
| 16:46:18 | sorphin | my I2 and my tivo series 2 |
| 16:46:23 | legodude | both are too slow methinks |
| 16:46:29 | sorphin | ha |
| 16:46:37 | legodude | i2 10k is like same price as 4400 |
| 16:46:39 | sorphin | run circles around my ss20 |
| 16:46:40 | legodude | and much faster |
| 16:46:43 | sorphin | wrong |
| 16:46:48 | legodude | sure it is |
| 16:46:50 | sorphin | my I2 was $1 ;) |
| 16:46:52 | sorphin | erm |
| 16:46:53 | sorphin | $41 |
| 16:46:53 | legodude | well |
| 16:47:00 | legodude | what speed is it? |
| 16:47:03 | sorphin | 200 |
| 16:47:22 | legodude | my I2 was $140 shipped with 175mhz and video capture and 10/100 |
| 16:47:30 | legodude | I've seen em go for under $100 |
| 16:47:59 | sorphin | Teal I2 - 128M, 2G, R4400/200, Gui Extreme |
| 16:48:23 | legodude | right now the real price/performance is in the octanes |
| 16:48:27 | sorphin | well |
| 16:48:28 | legodude | amazing machines for cheap |
| 16:48:30 | sorphin | gimme some $ :P |
| 16:48:41 | legodude | ha |
| 16:48:49 | legodude | I need cash money |
| 16:48:51 | legodude | badlike |
| 16:48:56 | sorphin | just met a guy a few days ago that just recently acquired an octane |
| 16:49:03 | sorphin | bastard |
| 16:49:10 | legodude | I just got mine a couple days ago |
| 16:49:14 | legodude | I need a drive sled for it |
| 16:49:16 | legodude | and Irix |
| 16:49:20 | sorphin | i'm mainly pissed |
| 16:49:31 | sorphin | cuz i can't use my multisync monitor on it |
| 16:49:38 | legodude | what |
| 16:49:41 | legodude | on the octane? |
| 16:49:49 | sorphin | on my I2, on my sparcs |
| 16:49:54 | legodude | hrm |
| 16:50:08 | legodude | I2 needs what, sog? |
| 16:50:23 | sorphin | yup |
| 16:50:26 | sorphin | so do the sparcs |
| 16:50:27 | legodude | I got a nice 20" sun monitor that syncs to everything for free a while ago |
| 16:50:31 | legodude | you sure |
| 16:50:34 | sorphin | yes |
| 16:50:34 | legodude | I don't think they do |
| 16:50:54 | sorphin | this monitor does 1153x900 in it's sleep AT the refresh they want |
| 16:51:04 | sorphin | but it won't sync up w/ the sparcs |
| 16:51:15 | legodude | I thought sparcs used seperate sync |
| 16:51:20 | sorphin | wow |
| 16:51:25 | sorphin | mail from stuart ;) |
| 16:51:48 | sorphin | bah |
| 16:51:48 | legodude | nice |
| 16:51:51 | sorphin | curses |
| 16:51:55 | legodude | ? |
| 16:51:57 | sorphin | 500 Servlet Exception |
| 16:51:57 | sorphin | java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 16:52:06 | legodude | their server b0rked? |
| 16:52:20 | sorphin | i guess |
| 16:52:36 | sorphin | and stupid BX just turned the error message into a /m to a friend in a diff channel |
| 16:53:09 | legodude | haha |
| 16:53:35 | sorphin | bah |
| 16:53:45 | legodude | Sun's need composite sync |
| 16:53:50 | legodude | where PCs use seperate |
| 16:53:53 | legodude | and SGIs use SOG |
| 16:55:03 | legodude | better moitors will do everything |
| 16:55:16 | legodude | most PC monitors will only do seperate and SOG I think |
| 16:58:46 | legodude | Bert Heise of IMB Jena (Germany) has discovered that R8K/R10K Indigo2 |
| 16:58:46 | legodude | can use 128MB SIMMs, allowing up to a max of 1GB RAM, not the old assumed |
| 16:58:46 | legodude | limit of 768, or the number in original docs of 640. This is great |
| 16:58:46 | legodude | news for those upgrading from R4K systems, people who have software |
| 16:58:46 | legodude | investments, |
| 16:58:48 | legodude | shiny |
| 16:58:54 | legodude | I so want an r8k indigo2 |
| 16:59:00 | legodude | 75mhz |
| 16:59:13 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:59:28 | sorphin | well, i'm stuck w/ linux atm on my I2 |
| 16:59:30 | sorphin | so.. |
| 16:59:38 | sorphin | r8k+ and graphics do nothin ofr me |
| 16:59:50 | legodude | ja |
| 17:00:04 | legodude | I want an 8k jut for it's coolness factor |
| 17:00:10 | legodude | like my BeBox is uselss |
| 17:00:13 | legodude | it's just cool |
| 17:01:17 | sorphin | MonMotha: so how many tunnels you got up? |
| 17:03:15 | legodude | leaves to buy a CE machine |
| 17:03:25 | file | blasphemy! |
| 17:03:25 | sorphin | scary |
| 17:03:34 | legodude | it's for my dad |
| 17:03:36 | legodude | CE is very nice |
| 17:03:38 | sorphin | my god, i actually agree w/ file.. |
| 17:03:41 | sorphin | that's... scary |
| 17:03:43 | file | ok - your excused |
| 17:03:54 | legodude | he wants one iwth a keyboard though |
| 17:03:58 | legodude | they're quite rare |
| 17:04:21 | file | you mean an HPC? |
| 17:04:25 | legodude | ja |
| 17:04:28 | legodude | I guess so |
| 17:04:33 | file | I've seen a few |
| 17:04:35 | legodude | like a normal laptop |
| 17:04:38 | file | my step-dad has one... for his work |
| 17:04:40 | file | a Husky |
| 17:04:41 | legodude | with CE 3.0 though? |
| 17:04:45 | file | yes |
| 17:04:55 | legodude | do you know how much it was? |
| 17:05:02 | file | nope |
| 17:05:08 | file | alot of money though |
| 17:05:12 | file | and it's not small |
| 17:05:46 | legodude | he wants one with good battery life, a keyboard, and a nice screen |
| 17:06:28 | legodude | gah |
| 17:06:31 | legodude | $1k |
| 17:07:01 | legodude | nice though |
| 17:07:03 | legodude | only 1lbs |
| 17:25:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know a nice image view with just the basic controls? |
| 17:26:42 | file | stares at prpplague |
| 17:26:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ? |
| 17:27:44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry, one of those days, i need an image viewier similiar to ee but has the ability to control to image display size |
| 17:29:12 | file | prpplague : guess what |
| 17:29:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: eye of gnome? |
| 17:29:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok thanks i'll have a look |
| 17:30:28 | prpplague | file: guess what? hmm my guess is you got drunk last night wrecked your car and spent the night in jail, was i right? |
| 17:30:36 | file | prpplague : no no no |
| 17:30:41 | file | prpplague : I'm going crazy... |
| 17:30:50 | sorphin | s/going/am/ |
| 17:30:59 | file | going going gone |
| 17:33:27 | file | prpplague : how goes it |
| 17:34:35 | prpplague | file: sfsdfd |
| 17:35:05 | file | prpplague : ic |
| 17:37:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh xloadimage, thats what i want.... |
| 17:39:27 | file | prpplague : question. |
| 17:39:43 | prpplague | file: answer |
| 17:39:58 | sorphin | prpplague: tell file no *grin* |
| 17:40:08 | | ACTION file: no |
| 17:40:08 | prpplague | ibot: tell file |
| 17:40:12 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:40:14 | file | prpplague : do you think it would be possible to setup a TCSX-1 with software designed to generate VPS's? |
| 17:40:18 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 17:40:25 | sorphin | pre-emptive no'ing |
| 17:40:55 | prpplague | file: VPS's, Virtual Poop Server ? |
| 17:41:06 | file | prpplague : Private |
| 17:41:16 | file | prpplague : splits the system into many systems, each with their own IP/processes/root |
| 17:41:19 | sorphin | prpplague: easy there beavis |
| 17:41:39 | prpplague | file: don't see why not, its just a standard 486 board, just really small |
| 17:41:53 | file | prpplague : yeah but it's the space that gets me |
| 17:42:12 | file | wonders how he could power a laptop hardrive |
| 17:49:00 | Russ|werk | file: with 5V |
| 17:49:18 | sorphin | Russ|werk: *g* |
| 17:49:28 | file | :p |
| 17:49:36 | sorphin | file: no |
| 17:54:04 | CosmicPenguin | does anyone else have a x86 uclibc build and Mozilla handy? |
| 17:54:12 | sorphin | not moz |
| 17:54:18 | sorphin | but a working uclibc |
| 17:54:34 | sorphin | seems eric fixed the prob i had and he didn't even know he had ;) |
| 17:54:58 | CosmicPenguin | the ldd seems to be a bit unhappy when listing several mozilla libraries |
| 17:55:07 | sorphin | like |
| 17:55:34 | sorphin | note: you are using an ldd that tolerates uclibc right? |
| 17:55:57 | CosmicPenguin | I'm using the uclibc-ldd |
| 17:56:00 | sorphin | k |
| 17:56:06 | sorphin | so how's it bitching |
| 17:56:28 | CosmicPenguin | It is more tolerant that ldd, so I use it for a special perl script that I have that resolves all of my shared library dependancies |
| 17:56:30 | CosmicPenguin | Its a good hack |
| 17:56:47 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:56:49 | sorphin | so how's it bitching <-- |
| 17:58:01 | CosmicPenguin | everyonce in a while instead of a library name, I just get the char \240 |
| 17:58:12 | sorphin | pulls an early release 12.2 ios that can do ipv6 so i can test my tunnel... |
| 17:58:16 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:58:22 | sorphin | what *is* 240 ? |
| 17:58:46 | sorphin | go ahead and paste it if you can ;) i support iso8896 |
| 17:59:25 | CosmicPenguin | Does it matter? Its above the valid range for library names anyway |
| 17:59:31 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:59:41 | sorphin | i'm rusty on my ascii table |
| 18:00:08 | sorphin | you ran regular ldd on moz to see what libs it's not liking? |
| 18:03:38 | CosmicPenguin | they seem to be phantom libraries - |
| 18:03:52 | sorphin | heh, howso? |
| 18:13:18 | MonMotha | sorphin: currently I have just the one tunnel |
| 18:13:37 | sorphin | MonMotha: k |
| 18:13:39 | MonMotha | and since I don't speak BGP, that's not likely to change in the near future |
| 18:13:47 | sorphin | saw they had the option for host/subnet/network |
| 18:13:55 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:13:58 | sorphin | speaks bgp |
| 18:14:04 | sorphin | but i don't have an AS |
| 18:14:22 | sorphin | wonder if i could do a subnet tho |
| 18:28:41 | sorphin | curses cisco yet again |
| 18:29:05 | sorphin | SYSTEM INIT: INSUFFICIENT MEMORY TO BOOT THE IMAGE! |
| 18:40:10 | CosmicPenguin | waits for X to rebuild |
| 18:40:14 | CosmicPenguin | wittles a stick |
| 18:40:31 | sorphin | this is the 2nd time i've had cisco lie/be wrong about mem requirements |
| 18:42:52 | Russ|werk | at least the money goes to opn |
| 18:43:10 | sorphin | huh? |
| 18:43:17 | sjhill | grabes an ICBM for lilo...bastard |
| 18:45:08 | sorphin | ignores *!*@*.staff.opn |
| 18:45:24 | sorphin | lilo and his phony "global noices" |
| 18:45:26 | sorphin | notices |
| 18:45:37 | sjhill | sorphin: thx for the ignore sequence! |
| 18:45:37 | sorphin | he needs to keep his crap on the +w |
| 18:45:44 | sorphin | sjhill: :) |
| 18:46:11 | sorphin | well, sometimes mysticone does the same crap |
| 18:46:22 | sorphin | so i finally just decided to block all of staff.opn |
| 18:46:33 | sorphin | esp since sometimes lilo is dilbert |
| 19:05:54 | sorphin | bah |
| 19:06:01 | sorphin | found an ios that fit that supports v6 |
| 19:06:09 | sorphin | but now it rejects their 'script' |
| 19:06:34 | sorphin | it doesn't seem to like the addr.. says the command needs more (like a prefix).. |
| 19:07:13 | sorphin | ahh |
| 19:07:27 | sorphin | even tho the mail doesn't give it, it's on the info page on their site.. |
| 19:17:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: rebuilding x? Xfbdev? |
| 19:46:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: tinyx |
| 19:46:36 | CosmicPenguin | is trying to stick Skipstone into our STB build |
| 19:46:41 | CosmicPenguin | Its going in kicking and screaming |
| 19:47:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought you were using microwindows on the STB stuff |
| 19:49:16 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what about dillo? |
| 19:49:51 | sorphin | MonMotha: ping |
| 19:51:46 | MonMotha | pong! |
| 19:51:50 | sorphin | ah good |
| 19:51:58 | sorphin | well, tunnel is up and working |
| 19:52:00 | sorphin | however |
| 19:52:16 | sorphin | not knowing any v6 addrs (nor having v6 speaking dns) isn't helpful ;) |
| 19:52:18 | MonMotha | ipv6 server for OPN is calvino.openprojects.net |
| 19:52:26 | MonMotha | it should resolve to v6 for you |
| 19:52:34 | MonMotha | all semi-recent resolvers know what AAAA records are |
| 19:52:41 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:52:50 | sorphin | meaning BIND9 ? |
| 19:52:53 | sorphin | runs 8 |
| 19:53:09 | sorphin | ooh |
| 19:53:12 | sorphin | it did pick it up |
| 19:53:20 | sorphin | 3FFE:8171:10:16::25 |
| 19:53:22 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:53:45 | MonMotha | yep |
| 19:53:46 | MonMotha | there you go |
| 19:53:50 | sorphin | did you see the comment i made about themail they send you? (they i guess assumed i knew you had to tack on a /128) |
| 19:53:51 | MonMotha | now, I need to install linux on my tux |
| 19:54:10 | MonMotha | and hope that I don't screw it up and have to run out and buy the parts to finish the jtag |
| 19:54:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no microwindows on the STb |
| 19:54:19 | CosmicPenguin | its all FLTK / TinyX |
| 19:54:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 19:54:57 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: our requirements are pretty specific -- all of our clients want HTML 4.0 / Netscape plugins |
| 19:55:26 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, my 1st ip6 hop latency is 132ms |
| 19:55:30 | sorphin | tolerable |
| 19:56:00 | MonMotha | 2 tb-exit.ipv6.btexact.com (2001:618:400::1) 130.175 ms 129.889 ms 131 ms |
| 19:56:24 | sorphin | calvino just has shite latency |
| 19:56:29 | sorphin | 5 calvino.openprojects.net (3FFE:8171:10:16::25) 1056 msec 896 msec 548 msec |
| 19:56:39 | MonMotha | ouch |
| 19:56:43 | MonMotha | should be that bad |
| 19:56:48 | MonMotha | calvino is in italy I think |
| 19:56:51 | sorphin | yup |
| 19:56:54 | MonMotha | so it's not like you're hopping back to US |
| 19:56:54 | sorphin | it is |
| 19:57:08 | sorphin | it's fine at edisontel.it |
| 19:57:15 | sorphin | then next hope is opn |
| 19:57:24 | MonMotha | though I guess you do have to hop from 2001/production to 3ffe/test |
| 19:57:25 | sorphin | must be a 56k link ;) |
| 19:57:30 | sorphin | no |
| 19:57:38 | sorphin | 1 tb-exit.ipv6.btexact.com (2001:618:400::1) 132 msec 132 msec 132 msec |
| 19:57:38 | sorphin | 2 leanet-core-uk6x-a1-0-1.ipv6.btexact.com (2001:618:1::3) 132 msec 132 msec 136 msec |
| 19:57:38 | sorphin | 3 2001:7A0:100:101:210:79FF:FECC:E821 192 msec 184 msec 180 msec |
| 19:57:38 | sorphin | 4 edt-berkom.ipv6.edisontel.it (3FFE:8170:1:15::1) 196 msec 200 msec 200 msec |
| 19:57:38 | sorphin | 5 calvino.openprojects.net (3FFE:8171:10:16::25) 1056 msec 896 msec 548 msec |
| 19:57:59 | sorphin | looks like just calvino |
| 19:58:02 | sorphin | does a ping |
| 19:58:43 | sorphin | sends 100 64 byte pings |
| 19:59:06 | sorphin | Success rate is 98 percent (98/100), round-trip min/avg/max = 188/201/400 ms |
| 20:08:18 | sorphin | MonMotha: any way to tell if something has both ip4 and 6 connectivity (meaning they don't tell you, or the thing isn't v6 only) |
| 20:08:37 | MonMotha | dig example.net AAAA <--- for IPv6 |
| 20:08:45 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:08:46 | MonMotha | dig example.net A6 <--- for another IPv6 (less common) |
| 20:08:54 | MonMotha | dig example.net A <------ for IPv4 |
| 20:09:17 | sorphin | know an nslookup cheat? *grin* |
| 20:11:31 | sorphin | MonMotha: hmmm |
| 20:11:42 | sorphin | freenet6.net is another free ip6 tunnel |
| 20:12:07 | sorphin | and they're in canuckland |
| 20:12:10 | sorphin | so closer |
| 20:13:47 | MonMotha | yes, but they're a pain in the butt :) |
| 20:13:53 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:14:08 | sorphin | and bt isn't? ;) |
| 20:16:39 | MonMotha | true |
| 20:16:53 | sorphin | wonders about setting up dns to handle this.. |
| 20:17:03 | sorphin | for my own ips |
| 20:17:21 | file | ::counts his network IPs:: 3! wow! |
| 20:17:34 | sorphin | man.. a lot of stuff on 3ffe |
| 20:17:43 | sorphin | file: no |
| 20:17:58 | file | I think this shell is on 3ffe... last time I checked the IPv6 |
| 20:18:15 | file | bah no more IPv6 |
| 20:18:23 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:18:29 | sorphin | as i said |
| 20:18:31 | sorphin | file: no |
| 20:18:40 | file | yes! |
| 20:18:47 | sorphin | nope |
| 20:18:53 | sorphin | no ipv6 4 j0 |
| 20:18:57 | sorphin | no laptop |
| 20:19:03 | sorphin | no tscx-1 |
| 20:19:07 | file | your right with the laptop part |
| 20:19:13 | sorphin | no woman |
| 20:19:16 | sorphin | no $ |
| 20:19:20 | sorphin | *grin* |
| 20:24:06 | prpplague | sorphin: i can do w/o the woman thing |
| 20:29:29 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:46:40 | legodude | womanthings are important though |
| 20:58:36 | CosmicPenguin | I'm assuming that nobody here is familiar with the mozilla gecko engine, eh? |
| 20:59:39 | sorphin | slow |
| 21:42:07 | pattieja | is away: voting... |
| 21:42:45 | mallum | jacques_gone: hello ? |
| 21:44:29 | Russ|werk | gecko rules |
| 22:08:10 | CosmicPenguin | home now go |
| 22:08:13 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 23:19:39 | MonMotha | again I ask, why can't inferno just talk normally over the serial console like any good bootloadr does? |
| 23:21:28 | andersee | MonMotha: because it is crap? |
| 23:21:42 | MonMotha | andersee: this I gathered... |
| 23:21:55 | MonMotha | I cannot for the life of me understand the crap that the README says to install things |