| 00:02:59 | sorphin | IS2630 flash information and sector locks status: |
| 00:02:59 | sorphin | (press 'q' or 'x' to exit) |
| 00:03:00 | sorphin | ('p' to protect 'u' to unprotect all) |
| 00:03:01 | sorphin | manufacture code: 0x00000001 device id: 0x00002249 |
| 00:03:04 | sorphin | U204 U205 |
| 00:03:05 | sorphin | <sector[00] unlocked unlocked 00000000 00032768 |
| 00:03:07 | sorphin | sector[01] unlocked unlocked 00008000 00016384 |
| 00:03:09 | sorphin | sector[02] unlocked unlocked 0000c000 00016384 |
| 00:03:11 | sorphin | sector[03] unlocked unlocked 00010000 00065536 |
| 00:03:13 | sorphin | sector[04] unlocked unlocked 00020000 00131072 |
| 00:03:15 | sorphin | sector[05] unlocked unlocked 00040000 00131072 |
| 00:03:18 | sorphin | sector[06] unlocked unlocked 00060000 00131072 |
| 00:03:19 | sorphin | :) |
| 00:03:23 | sorphin | kinda neat what you can do through the jtag |
| 00:04:32 | as_ | Thats the flash ID. I was expecting the SA ID, but nm ;] |
| 00:04:45 | as_ | Has it fixed your tux? |
| 00:05:11 | sorphin | gonna flash it now |
| 00:06:03 | sorphin | they bastardized the program to not show very much it seems |
| 00:06:13 | sorphin | the original lart version shows the chips, etc.. |
| 00:06:21 | as_ | Maybe so it doesnt scare people. |
| 00:06:39 | sorphin | lame to me.. |
| 00:06:48 | sorphin | flashing all you see is: |
| 00:06:48 | sorphin | [root@giga /tmp]# ./flash < all2.3e-010122.gz |
| 00:06:48 | sorphin | 000070b4 |
| 00:07:03 | file | is it working? |
| 00:08:01 | sorphin | yeah, it seems to be flashing.. |
| 00:08:06 | sorphin | won't know till it's done tho.. |
| 00:08:12 | file | how long? |
| 00:08:20 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:08:21 | sorphin | a while |
| 00:08:30 | sorphin | it's flashing 4M at a very low speed ;p |
| 00:08:38 | file | oh my |
| 00:09:26 | sorphin | well it just crossed 00018b00 |
| 00:09:41 | file | is that good or bad? |
| 00:11:03 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:11:09 | sorphin | convert the hex to decimal |
| 00:11:17 | file | I don't do that... |
| 00:11:42 | as_ | 400000 would be 4M. |
| 00:12:26 | file | oh my |
| 00:12:40 | sorphin | just crossed 2ffff |
| 00:15:55 | as_ | I suspect this is not a very efftiant program. |
| 00:16:36 | sorphin | nope, since serially at 115.2k is faster |
| 00:16:41 | as_ | I can read 2M through a DCU, (Not boundry scan) in about 30 secs. |
| 00:18:08 | as_ | Well, to write a single 32 bit word, assuming the flash is 32bit wide, boundry scan would need to write about 300 bits |
| 00:18:27 | as_ | Possibly a lot more. |
| 00:19:05 | as_ | Hmm, maybe 600. |
| 00:19:08 | sorphin | seems to be pushing about 400 bytes a sec :P (if i'm guessing right) |
| 00:20:05 | as_ | To write 1 bit through jtag, you need 3 LPT port access. |
| 00:20:20 | as_ | Which will be happening at about 500khz. |
| 00:20:52 | sorphin | no clue what freq speed it's at |
| 00:21:42 | as_ | Most LPT ports run at the same rate. Almost all motherboard ISA LPT ports run at between 500 and 750khz. |
| 00:22:06 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:22:12 | as_ | A decently wired PCI port, which Ive yet to see on a motherboard, would run at up to 3 times that. |
| 00:22:30 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:22:36 | sorphin | this is on my athlon machine |
| 00:22:49 | as_ | What motherboard? |
| 00:23:22 | sorphin | tis an IWill board (forget the id off hand) |
| 00:23:37 | as_ | Mine is microstar, which the glitchy LPT port. |
| 00:24:05 | sorphin | well, considering this is working |
| 00:24:12 | sorphin | i'd say this isn't that glitchy |
| 00:24:39 | sorphin | wonder if the fact that i have the port set in SPP mode.. matters.. |
| 00:24:45 | as_ | Id agree with that. |
| 00:24:53 | as_ | No, it wont matter. |
| 00:24:55 | sorphin | k |
| 00:25:21 | sorphin | part of the trip isn't on a nice shielded cable |
| 00:25:36 | sorphin | the rest it's on UTP (bout 2 feet or less) |
| 00:34:32 | sorphin | heh, when i turned the phone on this time |
| 00:34:35 | sorphin | i knew something was diff |
| 00:34:40 | sorphin | cuz the message light was on |
| 00:34:46 | sorphin | must be a hint |
| 00:35:37 | file | huh? |
| 00:36:34 | sorphin | well, every other time trying to jtag |
| 00:36:45 | sorphin | the phone did nothing but light up the lcd backlight |
| 00:36:48 | sorphin | when i got the cable right |
| 00:36:51 | sorphin | the message light was on |
| 00:40:49 | sorphin | just crossed 1Meg.. heh |
| 00:40:54 | sorphin | this is gonna be a while.. |
| 00:42:09 | sorphin | or actually |
| 00:42:11 | sorphin | maybe not |
| 00:42:16 | sorphin | i'm sending the compressed file.. |
| 00:42:22 | as_ | Any idea how long its taken? |
| 00:42:36 | sorphin | i'm *hoping* you can send the damn compressed file.. |
| 00:42:40 | sorphin | if not, i'll be starting over |
| 00:43:55 | sorphin | no idea |
| 00:43:56 | as_ | I'm sure the linux image is compressed.. |
| 00:44:08 | as_ | But the boot sector shouldnt be. |
| 00:44:14 | sorphin | this isn't linux |
| 00:44:17 | sorphin | this is inferno |
| 00:44:27 | sorphin | i'm not putting linux any where near this thing again |
| 00:44:38 | as_ | Id have been inclined to flash just the boot sector. |
| 00:44:48 | sorphin | yeah |
| 00:44:50 | as_ | Dispite it being inferno that screwed it up ;] |
| 00:44:57 | sorphin | nope |
| 00:45:02 | sorphin | inferno didn't screw it up |
| 00:45:06 | sorphin | blob did |
| 00:45:32 | as_ | It will have been a serial port error. |
| 00:45:37 | sorphin | nope |
| 00:45:44 | sorphin | if you read the reinferno page |
| 00:45:54 | sorphin | and if you noted the fact |
| 00:45:58 | sorphin | that the blob i had to use |
| 00:46:00 | sorphin | is flakey |
| 00:46:11 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 00:46:16 | sorphin | they dd the inferno apart to pieces |
| 00:46:24 | sorphin | checks that page.. |
| 00:46:45 | as_ | Why did you have to use a flaky blob? |
| 00:47:09 | sorphin | because |
| 00:47:11 | sorphin | blob .6 |
| 00:47:22 | sorphin | requires kernel+ramdisk images |
| 00:47:30 | as_ | Id bet a lot more people brick the tux by installing blob with sboot. |
| 00:47:50 | as_ | Umm, I dont understand that. |
| 00:48:02 | sorphin | kernel w/ integrated initrd |
| 00:48:04 | as_ | The perpose of blob is to install the kernal... |
| 00:48:29 | sorphin | well, i think i might use your idea here in a min.. |
| 00:48:46 | sorphin | just dd off 131072 of the inferno image (boot loader) |
| 00:48:58 | as_ | Provided it started from the start, your sboot should be installed by now. |
| 00:49:28 | as_ | So in theory, you should be able to stop, boot it and use serial. |
| 00:49:38 | sorphin | well, as i said.. i wrote the compressed file.. |
| 00:49:53 | sorphin | i think sboot decompresses is when it writes it (when you write a new inferno) |
| 00:50:08 | as_ | Mmm. |
| 00:50:15 | as_ | I didnt think so. |
| 00:50:22 | warewolf | aren't you writing directly to the flash sorphin? |
| 00:50:31 | as_ | I thought the inferno image is compressed in flash. |
| 00:50:42 | as_ | sboot decompresses it when it boots. |
| 00:50:49 | sorphin | hmm |
| 00:51:09 | as_ | Thats why you see the 'decompressing' thing at the start. |
| 00:51:43 | file | just wants his laptop... |
| 00:51:45 | as_ | I think what youve done will fail to boot, ID stop it now abnd find out. |
| 00:51:59 | sorphin | i just did |
| 00:52:04 | sorphin | nothing.. |
| 00:52:08 | sorphin | gonna write the bootloader |
| 00:52:24 | as_ | That should work. |
| 00:53:12 | sorphin | we'll see |
| 00:53:19 | file | glad you have a jtag? |
| 00:53:32 | as_ | He doesnt ;] |
| 00:53:48 | sorphin | file: it's straight wired |
| 00:53:56 | file | sorphin: oh my |
| 00:54:00 | sorphin | all the jtag dongle is, is a buffer and some caps |
| 00:54:06 | file | ic |
| 00:54:06 | sorphin | my parallel port is 3.3v |
| 00:54:11 | sorphin | so i'm safe |
| 00:54:12 | sorphin | w/o |
| 00:54:26 | file | ic |
| 00:54:49 | warewolf | sorphin- so you're not using the jtag dongle? |
| 00:55:39 | file | if I had my laptop I'd be in bed right now... |
| 00:55:42 | sorphin | aww.. damn.. there was an STNG marathon |
| 00:56:06 | file | is watching it right now |
| 00:56:17 | file | this episode is one of my favorites |
| 00:56:34 | legodude | which one? |
| 00:56:38 | legodude | tng is an amazing show |
| 00:56:41 | legodude | best star trek ever |
| 00:56:49 | sorphin | gets trapped in the turbo lift w/ the award winning kids |
| 00:56:50 | file | legodude: well, picard and the kids get trapped in the turbolift - that one |
| 00:57:09 | legodude | hrm |
| 00:57:11 | file | ...silent kids |
| 00:57:12 | legodude | don't know it |
| 00:57:21 | as_ | Ok, now I know how you felt yesterday during the farscape sorphin ;] |
| 00:57:44 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:58:27 | file | we've lost primary life support! |
| 00:58:43 | file | everybody to the escape pods! <j/k> |
| 01:00:08 | as_ | Oh no, the writers are drunk again, quick, nick another kirk episode! |
| 01:00:16 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:00:19 | sorphin | odd |
| 01:00:26 | sorphin | flashed the bootloader.. |
| 01:00:27 | sorphin | nothing.. |
| 01:00:34 | sorphin | eyes this program |
| 01:00:35 | as_ | Ahh. Hmm. |
| 01:00:44 | as_ | Read it and do a file compair. |
| 01:00:54 | file | I wonder if my hotmail account from 6 years ago is still active |
| 01:01:04 | legodude | probably not |
| 01:01:11 | legodude | they often deactivate them |
| 01:01:15 | legodude | the unused ones |
| 01:01:25 | file | good |
| 01:01:25 | as_ | 1 month and it gets deleted posts. |
| 01:01:43 | as_ | Then it gets deleted in another month I think. |
| 01:01:43 | file | great |
| 01:02:49 | legodude | pines away for a 36gb 10k rpm disk for my octane |
| 01:02:56 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:03:07 | sorphin | pine over in mipslinux ;p |
| 01:03:08 | sorphin | grins |
| 01:03:13 | legodude | pah |
| 01:03:15 | legodude | unusable |
| 01:03:23 | legodude | who'd want to run that on such a beautiful machine? |
| 01:03:27 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:03:28 | legodude | no graphics support |
| 01:03:43 | sorphin | well, i only have a teal I2 |
| 01:04:02 | legodude | I've got a purple 10k that I'm gonna sell |
| 01:04:08 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:04:09 | legodude | gotta make room for the octane |
| 01:04:09 | warewolf | woo. |
| 01:04:10 | warewolf | ok |
| 01:04:12 | warewolf | jackass++ |
| 01:04:19 | warewolf | not because of it's content |
| 01:04:20 | sorphin | well, i only paid $40 so... |
| 01:04:24 | legodude | ja |
| 01:04:28 | legodude | they're so cheap nowadays |
| 01:04:33 | warewolf | but because natile portman was in a commercial inbetween it |
| 01:04:37 | warewolf | wearing a g string |
| 01:04:40 | legodude | wow |
| 01:04:42 | sorphin | twas cheaper than any other teals on ebay |
| 01:04:42 | legodude | she's so fine |
| 01:04:53 | sorphin | the girl in the pink? |
| 01:04:58 | legodude | sorphin: I just say a 640mb, max impact, 195mhz 10k go for $150 |
| 01:05:01 | legodude | saw |
| 01:05:08 | file | erm |
| 01:05:12 | sorphin | legodude: nod |
| 01:05:13 | file | I can't remember my old password! |
| 01:05:29 | file | I've got a 7 digit ICQ number and I can't remember the password! |
| 01:05:35 | legodude | what graphics you got in yours sorphin? gui extreme? |
| 01:06:15 | sorphin | as_: i should see stuff like: |
| 01:06:16 | sorphin | root@arthur:jflash-linux # ./Jflash-linux blob-1.0.7b |
| 01:06:16 | sorphin | using printer port at 378 |
| 01:06:16 | sorphin | Seems to be a pair of 28F160F3, bottom boot. Good. |
| 01:06:16 | sorphin | Starting erase for da5 bytes |
| 01:06:22 | sorphin | well, not that root prompt tho |
| 01:06:30 | sorphin | legodude: yeah |
| 01:06:43 | sorphin | i had no choice but to nuke irix :/ |
| 01:06:51 | sorphin | i had to nuke the damn prom pw too |
| 01:06:51 | legodude | you have linux on it? |
| 01:07:02 | sorphin | legodude: Linux indigo2 2.4.16 #1 Sun Dec 16 16:38:44 CET 2001 mips unknown |
| 01:07:03 | legodude | how do you do that? replace the chip? |
| 01:07:05 | sorphin | no |
| 01:07:06 | legodude | wow |
| 01:07:08 | sorphin | a jumper |
| 01:07:08 | legodude | funky |
| 01:07:19 | legodude | how does that run? |
| 01:07:20 | sorphin | as for the root pw |
| 01:07:25 | sorphin | i had no option |
| 01:07:28 | sorphin | no irix media here |
| 01:07:32 | legodude | ja |
| 01:07:37 | legodude | but you can get it online if you ask around |
| 01:07:45 | sorphin | this I2 came from boeing apparently |
| 01:07:52 | legodude | I'd think about linux on something like a origin 200 |
| 01:07:57 | legodude | but not anything with graphics |
| 01:08:02 | legodude | is your gui extreme supported? |
| 01:08:04 | sorphin | works fine on an I2 |
| 01:08:05 | sorphin | no |
| 01:08:13 | sorphin | only the indy has supported gfx |
| 01:08:14 | legodude | serial console only? |
| 01:08:16 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:08:26 | legodude | for a headless machine I'd rather have a sparc |
| 01:08:32 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:08:37 | sorphin | already have 2 of those |
| 01:08:38 | sorphin | :P |
| 01:08:40 | legodude | me too |
| 01:08:43 | legodude | whatcha got? |
| 01:08:46 | sorphin | they're annoying ;p |
| 01:08:49 | warewolf | dan- I Can get irix media if you want it |
| 01:08:53 | sorphin | sparc classic (my webserver) and an SS20 |
| 01:08:55 | legodude | no, they're wonderful machines |
| 01:08:59 | legodude | classic is nice |
| 01:09:02 | legodude | I loved my LX |
| 01:09:12 | file | well I'm going to bed |
| 01:09:15 | sorphin | as_: haha |
| 01:09:18 | legodude | g'nite file |
| 01:09:19 | sorphin | just read on the lart page |
| 01:09:20 | sorphin | In our first experiments, we have measured a throughput of |
| 01:09:21 | sorphin | 630 bytes/s |
| 01:09:25 | file | night |
| 01:09:37 | legodude | warewolf: what version of irix? |
| 01:09:49 | warewolf | um |
| 01:09:59 | warewolf | 6.2 and 6.5.9 |
| 01:10:17 | legodude | do you have it on a ftp or something? |
| 01:10:25 | legodude | I'd love 6.5.9 |
| 01:10:38 | warewolf | it's on a friends ftp, yes I can pull it |
| 01:10:50 | legodude | would it be much hassle? |
| 01:10:59 | legodude | I can get it elsewhere if it'd cause troubles for you |
| 01:11:07 | warewolf | holy shit |
| 01:11:11 | legodude | ? |
| 01:11:12 | warewolf | it's a lot of stuff |
| 01:11:15 | legodude | ja |
| 01:11:15 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:11:16 | legodude | many cds |
| 01:11:20 | sorphin | 16 normally |
| 01:11:20 | warewolf | $ du -sh . |
| 01:11:20 | warewolf | 3.4G . |
| 01:11:24 | legodude | ja |
| 01:11:30 | legodude | overlay after overlay |
| 01:11:38 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:11:43 | legodude | I have no idea what the hell it all is |
| 01:11:55 | legodude | I've not yet played around with it |
| 01:12:03 | sorphin | legodude: multiple copies of the teaport ;) |
| 01:12:08 | legodude | hehe |
| 01:12:21 | legodude | spinning teapot compiled for every arch |
| 01:12:22 | sorphin | yes perlboy? |
| 01:12:37 | legodude | with massive textures for the high end machines |
| 01:12:48 | sorphin | legodude: the teapot rocks ;) |
| 01:12:55 | legodude | yup |
| 01:13:04 | legodude | I used to load up lots of copies of it on my Be machine |
| 01:13:14 | legodude | turn on lighting and wireframe and all that |
| 01:14:08 | legodude | I'd like to find a good cross-platform opengl benchmark |
| 01:14:22 | sorphin | welp, time to try a _normal_ version of jflash-linux |
| 01:14:24 | sorphin | it seems |
| 01:15:44 | sorphin | bah |
| 01:15:48 | sorphin | error reading manufacturer code |
| 01:15:51 | sorphin | figures |
| 01:16:07 | as2 | Did you try reading the flash and doing a file compair? |
| 01:16:09 | legodude | back to getting my tux dev enviro setup |
| 01:17:16 | sorphin | as_: dumping it now |
| 01:17:23 | sorphin | wtf |
| 01:17:26 | sorphin | reading FROM the tux |
| 01:17:30 | sorphin | i pull 4K/sec |
| 01:17:33 | sorphin | sending to |
| 01:17:39 | sorphin | it's 640B/sec |
| 01:18:05 | sorphin | as2: kill your ghost ;p |
| 01:18:17 | as2 | I cant kill it, not regged. |
| 01:18:23 | sorphin | bah |
| 01:18:30 | sorphin | it's still dumping the whole flash |
| 01:19:20 | sorphin | strips off the extra |
| 01:19:41 | sorphin | the files pass 'diff' |
| 01:19:44 | legodude | any of you guys know of good unix pcb layout/schematic software besides geda and pcb? |
| 01:19:57 | sorphin | legodude: nope |
| 01:20:29 | sorphin | needs to see where they turned off the damn output info.. |
| 01:23:59 | Bushel | does anyone know what a flashing message led + a numpad that doesn't work means? |
| 01:24:18 | legodude | you put the cable back on incorrectly? |
| 01:24:40 | Bushel | it was working correctly for three weeks |
| 01:24:45 | legodude | hrm |
| 01:24:49 | Bushel | and then it started doing this |
| 01:25:05 | Bushel | i tried safe mode... no luck |
| 01:26:35 | Bushel | there isn't a dial phone either |
| 01:26:43 | Bushel | dial tone i mean |
| 01:27:49 | legodude | no idea |
| 01:28:00 | Bushel | oh well, thanks |
| 01:28:02 | legodude | I'm a newbie with the tuxscreen so I don't know much |
| 01:28:14 | Bushel | maybe if i kick it hard |
| 01:28:22 | legodude | I'd just double-check the cable |
| 01:28:25 | legodude | maybe reseat it |
| 01:28:38 | Bushel | ok |
| 01:28:55 | legodude | what about if you unplug the phone from the power |
| 01:28:58 | legodude | does it work then? |
| 01:29:47 | Bushel | i havent tried that |
| 01:30:00 | as2 | Does the keyboard work? |
| 01:30:06 | legodude | cause if the dsp driver is going nuts... |
| 01:30:22 | Bushel | yup, the keyboard works |
| 01:30:37 | legodude | try unplugging it |
| 01:30:43 | as2 | Try fiddling with the number pad connector then. |
| 01:31:02 | sorphin | as2: remember how you mentioned about 32 bits and boundries? |
| 01:31:20 | as2 | Boundry scan, yes, why? |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | The IS2630 addresses on 32-bit dword boundaries by using A2 as the LSB. |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | Thus all addresses are represented as dword * |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | this allows for writes to increment the address pointers once to change |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | the address while preserving byte address representation |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | corresponding to the 16-bit addressing of the data bus. |
| 01:31:34 | sorphin | The IS2630 doesn't use A1, in this mode. |
| 01:31:51 | sorphin | that tell you anything? |
| 01:32:50 | as2 | That sounds normal to me. |
| 01:33:06 | sorphin | k |
| 01:33:51 | as2 | ARM3's simply didnt have A1 and A0 outside the chip. |
| 01:34:13 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:34:25 | legodude | who makes the arm in the tuxscreen? |
| 01:34:43 | as2 | DEC. |
| 01:34:49 | as2 | Who will be sadly missed. |
| 01:34:50 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:34:53 | sorphin | yup |
| 01:34:58 | legodude | hewlett decpaq |
| 01:35:09 | sorphin | as2: heh, here's debug output ;p |
| 01:35:10 | sorphin | after flash_write_dword_ub(0x0000088c, 0xe59d3020) |
| 01:35:10 | sorphin | SET/HOLD at 0 |
| 01:35:10 | sorphin | WRITE a000a0 to 0 |
| 01:35:11 | sorphin | SET/HOLD at 0 |
| 01:35:11 | sorphin | RS |
| 01:35:12 | sorphin | SET/HOLD at 890 |
| 01:35:14 | sorphin | WRITE e3540073 to 890 |
| 01:35:16 | sorphin | SET/HOLD at 890 |
| 01:35:18 | sorphin | RS |
| 01:35:48 | as2 | Doesnt mean anything to me. |
| 01:36:08 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:36:09 | as2 | Could the sboot image be bad? |
| 01:36:18 | sorphin | shouldn't be |
| 01:36:24 | sorphin | it works fine in my other tux |
| 01:36:44 | as2 | If its reading the same, then the jtag part of the operation seems to be sucessfull. |
| 01:37:26 | sorphin | wish they'd not taken all the good debugging stuff outta jflash |
| 01:37:32 | sorphin | bloody stupid |
| 01:38:17 | as2 | When you try to boot, you unplug the jtag right? |
| 01:38:56 | sorphin | well, i unplug it from the parallel |
| 01:39:03 | sorphin | this connector is very touchy.. |
| 01:39:16 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 01:40:03 | sorphin | i'm guessing just unconnecting the parallel port part isn't enough? |
| 01:40:27 | as2 | I'm not sure, I would be inclined to ground ntrst. |
| 01:40:56 | as2 | However, Id expect it to boot with it unplugged. |
| 01:41:53 | sorphin | well, atm, ntrst is pulled high |
| 01:42:13 | as2 | Yes, to enable JTAG operation. |
| 01:42:23 | sorphin | well, it's still pulled high ;p |
| 01:42:28 | sorphin | only way to unpull it high |
| 01:42:36 | sorphin | is to unplug the jtag plug |
| 01:42:52 | as2 | If you attempt to use jtag, or leave pins floating, it will crash the box. |
| 01:43:18 | sorphin | i wish i had a non idc connector |
| 01:43:21 | as2 | Grounding ntrst is one way to insure that cant happen. |
| 01:43:53 | as2 | Hmm, did you wire anything to nreset? |
| 01:44:02 | sorphin | ntrst |
| 01:44:11 | sorphin | you tie the 2 together |
| 01:44:37 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 01:44:45 | as2 | Hmmmm. |
| 01:44:56 | as2 | Unwire it and try booting again. |
| 01:45:57 | sorphin | just did |
| 01:45:58 | sorphin | nothing |
| 01:46:01 | sorphin | no bootlogo |
| 01:46:03 | sorphin | nothin |
| 01:46:04 | as2 | Doh. |
| 01:46:24 | as2 | That could have been the reason. |
| 01:47:06 | sorphin | ? |
| 01:47:57 | as2 | nreset is required to reset the CPU after the system has become stable and the PLLs have locked etc. |
| 01:48:22 | as2 | Tieing it either low or high would probably prevent it from booting. |
| 01:48:57 | sorphin | well |
| 01:49:01 | sorphin | it's still not booting ;p |
| 01:49:14 | as2 | Then I havnt a fecking clue. |
| 01:49:42 | as2 | You need to talk to Tim (away), or Russ (not seen in a week or so). |
| 01:50:11 | as2 | !seen Russ |
| 01:50:23 | as2 | Not sure what the bot command for seen is. |
| 01:50:36 | as2 | seen Russ |
| 01:51:17 | sorphin | i don't even know which is the bot |
| 01:51:37 | as2 | ibot is a bot, not sure if there are others here. |
| 01:51:50 | sorphin | ibot: help |
| 01:51:58 | sorphin | cool |
| 01:53:44 | sorphin | bloody annoying.. |
| 01:54:31 | as2 | Could your image be booting the box in debug mode? |
| 01:54:48 | as2 | Youve tried soing the remote serial inferno thing? |
| 01:55:35 | sorphin | yeah, tried that, but you usually have to force it to debug mode |
| 01:56:28 | as2 | I thought Id bricked my tux at one point. Turned out it was booting into debug. |
| 01:56:56 | as2 | IS the image your using the one in the tux when you got it? |
| 02:01:59 | sorphin | no ,tis the newer one |
| 02:02:57 | as2 | Did you back up the old one? |
| 02:05:53 | Sammy | Amm... |
| 02:06:06 | | Russ was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: anyone here in sfo? [Wed Jul 24 17:54:24 2002] |
| 02:06:06 | Sammy | ibot: seen Russ ? |
| 02:06:54 | as2 | Aha. |
| 02:09:16 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:10:24 | prpplague | as2: dude, how the UK today? |
| 02:10:59 | sorphin | hot |
| 02:11:01 | sorphin | ;) |
| 02:11:45 | prpplague | sorphin: what? maybe 30c? |
| 02:12:26 | sorphin | 31 |
| 02:12:52 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, it was 38c friday here |
| 02:13:13 | sorphin | and you're where? |
| 02:13:22 | prpplague | east texas |
| 02:13:33 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:13:37 | sorphin | st louis here ;p |
| 02:14:53 | sorphin | BZFlag: is it really you? or a phantom? |
| 02:15:02 | Sammy | prpplague: your Zaurus is SL-A300 ? pxa210 ? |
| 02:15:25 | prpplague | Sammy: no mine are the sl-5500 |
| 02:15:58 | Sammy | so ga |
| 02:17:18 | as2 | prp |
| 02:17:23 | as2 | prp :] |
| 02:17:34 | as2 | Hot and dark would apear to have it. |
| 02:18:48 | prpplague | as2: hmmm, sounds like a cup of coffee.... |
| 02:22:40 | BZFlag | sorphin: I'm just a phantom. |
| 02:22:56 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:23:02 | sorphin | BZFlag: you got a min? |
| 02:23:13 | BZFlag | hit me |
| 02:23:22 | sorphin | i'm jtag flashing my tuxbrick |
| 02:24:03 | sorphin | tried dumping part of an inferno to it, tried just the bootloader part, it matches what i write vs what i dump back to disk, but no boot.., nada |
| 02:24:16 | sorphin | and whoever hacked up jflash, really stripped it down output wise.. |
| 02:24:19 | sorphin | any thoughts? |
| 02:26:52 | sorphin | it sees the flash ok (looking at the lil ncurses unlock screen) and it's all still unlocked (as it should be).. |
| 02:44:18 | sorphin | rock on |
| 02:44:22 | sorphin | it flashed this time |
| 02:44:23 | sorphin | weird |
| 02:44:27 | sorphin | keeps red screening tho |
| 02:44:35 | sorphin | guess i gotta push it into debug mode ;) |
| 02:45:24 | as2 | Red screening? |
| 02:45:43 | sorphin | not enough image while it decompresses |
| 02:45:50 | as2 | Ahhh. |
| 02:45:55 | as2 | Cool. |
| 02:46:18 | sorphin | ctrl A isn't working now.. wtf |
| 02:46:23 | as2 | Any idea what you did differently this time? |
| 02:46:34 | sorphin | didn't just write 131072 |
| 02:46:49 | as2 | Hmm, odd. |
| 02:46:49 | sorphin | let it go a bit further |
| 02:46:58 | sorphin | indeed |
| 02:47:21 | as2 | Using the uncompressed image this time? |
| 02:47:48 | sorphin | aye |
| 02:47:57 | sorphin | tho can't figure out why ctrl-a isn't working.. |
| 02:48:13 | as2 | Can you get into sboot? |
| 02:48:27 | sorphin | that's why i'm trying to hit ctrl-a ;p |
| 02:48:33 | sorphin | to force it to allow me into debug |
| 02:48:54 | as2 | Oh, I thought it was esc, then ctrl p or something for sboot. |
| 02:49:07 | sorphin | doh |
| 02:49:11 | sorphin | you're right i think |
| 02:49:25 | sorphin | yup |
| 02:49:26 | as2 | Are you forgetting the esc before ctrl a? |
| 02:49:28 | sorphin | the Esc |
| 02:49:29 | sorphin | yup |
| 02:49:31 | sorphin | got it now |
| 02:49:37 | as2 | Cool cool. |
| 02:49:52 | sorphin | whew |
| 02:49:58 | sorphin | pats the jtag cable |
| 02:50:19 | sorphin | no more brick |
| 02:50:35 | as2 | Well, until next time, muahaahahahahahahahhahaha. |
| 02:51:25 | sorphin | nope |
| 02:51:53 | as2 | Well, until the metior hits in 2017 then ;P |
| 02:52:21 | as2 | Or a nuclear war wrecks all our computers. |
| 02:52:38 | sorphin | or |
| 02:52:45 | BZFlag | heh, sorry to lag, but it looks like you aer on your way! thanx as2 |
| 02:52:47 | sorphin | unix clocks are hosed in 2035 |
| 02:52:52 | sorphin | BZFlag: fyi |
| 02:52:57 | sorphin | i'm not using the dongle |
| 02:53:00 | sorphin | i'm straight wired |
| 02:53:08 | sorphin | works if you have a 3.3v parallel port |
| 02:53:50 | sorphin | BZFlag: ever figure out a _good_ way to go back to inferno from linux w/o bricking it? |
| 02:54:11 | sorphin | since .6 blob is image picky, and old blob nukes everything including itself ;p |
| 02:55:07 | BZFlag | sorphin: I've done it before. chop the inferno image into 128k and 4M-128k blocks. flash the large one as ramdisk from blob. then flash the first one as blob. worked for me. |
| 02:55:53 | sorphin | hmm |
| 02:56:00 | sorphin | which blob did you do it w/ tho? |
| 02:56:01 | BZFlag | image picky? hmm. explain? I don't think I've seen that, perhaps I had different options in my compiled blob. |
| 02:56:11 | sorphin | .6 wants an image that is kernel+ramdisk |
| 02:56:24 | sorphin | or .5 forget which i used |
| 02:56:25 | sorphin | either way |
| 02:56:41 | BZFlag | yes, that's the 4M-128K partition. |
| 02:56:44 | sorphin | followed the steps in reinferno |
| 02:57:03 | BZFlag | ah, reinferno assumed the old partioning. should be updated now... |
| 02:57:05 | sorphin | so they might need updating in that case |
| 02:57:54 | BZFlag | goes to edit. |
| 02:57:57 | sorphin | :) |
| 02:58:07 | sorphin | wish i'd known this before ;) |
| 02:58:42 | as2 | I'm hoping to learn from everyone elses mistakes ;] |
| 02:59:08 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:01:01 | as2 | Its getting light here. |
| 03:01:31 | sorphin | early |
| 03:01:40 | sorphin | tis only 4am there |
| 03:01:59 | as2 | 5am BST. |
| 03:02:26 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:02:28 | sorphin | odd |
| 03:02:42 | sorphin | oh, i had wires crossed |
| 03:02:56 | sorphin | -6 in summer -5 in fall |
| 03:03:17 | as2 | British Summer Time is GMT+1. |
| 03:03:37 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:03:43 | sorphin | so it is -5 then |
| 03:04:40 | BZFlag | sorphin: updated. look better? |
| 03:04:53 | sorphin | checks |
| 03:05:36 | BZFlag | hmm. should be xdownload... |
| 03:05:46 | sorphin | adv about the new blob is good |
| 03:06:16 | sorphin | and yeah |
| 03:06:20 | sorphin | it is xdownload now |
| 03:06:41 | BZFlag | changed again. |
| 03:07:11 | sorphin | refreshes |
| 03:07:40 | sorphin | looks good |
| 03:08:02 | sorphin | might wanna update that count of 50 whenever you get time btw ;) |
| 03:10:02 | sorphin | hooks back up the damn jtag.. *mumble* |
| 03:10:07 | BZFlag | \50? |
| 03:10:18 | sorphin | erm |
| 03:10:18 | sorphin | 40 |
| 03:10:31 | sorphin | ok, 50 |
| 03:10:34 | sorphin | -:- Topic (#tuxscreen): TimRIker will be out of town for the next 2 weeks. No |
| 03:10:34 | sorphin | new orders will ship till the 13th | http://TuxScreen.net/ | Linux |
| 03:10:34 | sorphin | on your phone! | about 50 left at $99 no more 2pack or 4pack boxes | |
| 03:10:52 | sorphin | and your page in the wiki still says 40 or 50 (last updated beginning of july) |
| 03:11:04 | BZFlag | ah. that's still about right. orders have been slow for the last 2 weeks. |
| 03:11:49 | sorphin | you had that # when you sent my 2 |
| 03:11:54 | sorphin | that's why i was double checking |
| 03:13:54 | sorphin | grins |
| 03:15:36 | BZFlag | updates the web page too. thanx sorphin ;-) |
| 03:15:51 | sorphin | np |
| 03:16:13 | sorphin | i'm tempted to do the 5v mod.. but i dunno.. |
| 03:16:19 | MonMotha | I didn't think you were here bzflag? |
| 03:16:27 | sorphin | he's here, but not |
| 03:16:35 | BZFlag | MonMotha: trip to india postponed 2 weeks |
| 03:16:40 | MonMotha | I see, so if I order now do I have to wait two weeks? |
| 03:17:17 | sorphin | he just change the topic, read it ;) |
| 03:17:47 | MonMotha | ah, that works...though with 30th and 20th we speaking of? jul 30th still hasn't passed... |
| 03:20:40 | BZFlag | MonMotha: I should be shipping on Tuesday any orders that arrive in the next 24 hours. |
| 03:20:53 | MonMotha | works... |
| 03:21:03 | BZFlag | MonMotha: the 30th was a typo, says 20th now. |
| 03:22:01 | MonMotha | there we go :) |
| 03:22:08 | BZFlag | topic spams. =( |
| 03:22:09 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:22:12 | sorphin | s'ok tim |
| 03:22:56 | sorphin | hell, i'm just glad you got these phones to sell to begin w/ :) |
| 03:23:01 | BZFlag | jtags are about gone too. |
| 03:23:26 | sorphin | yeah, i couldn't see spending $40 for that dongle tho.. that's why i did it this way |
| 03:24:06 | BZFlag | nod. |
| 03:24:35 | sorphin | so how's life at lineo? |
| 03:25:17 | MonMotha | hates shipping... |
| 03:25:35 | MonMotha | $11.95 |
| 03:25:56 | MonMotha | yeah, $40 for a JTAG dongle, but I'm guessing they're not cheap to get made in small quantities |
| 03:26:54 | sorphin | prolly not |
| 03:27:04 | BZFlag | sorphin: busy busy. ;-) |
| 03:27:15 | sorphin | i'm just glad straight wire worked, cuz RS don't even have buffers nwo ;p |
| 03:27:19 | sorphin | BZFlag: indeed |
| 03:27:36 | MonMotha | out of curiosity, could the same jtag dongle be used on other devices, such as an ipaq? |
| 03:27:46 | MonMotha | or would it be too difficult to adapt |
| 03:28:01 | sorphin | should either be useable or adaptable |
| 03:28:09 | sorphin | just need to know the right pin lineups |
| 03:28:35 | MonMotha | yeah, which I could get from the CRL guys if I was in a pinch and had a unit that was already out of warranty |
| 03:29:02 | MonMotha | isn't about to go voiding the warranty on a $500 device when the CRL guys will do the work for him :) |
| 03:29:05 | sorphin | as2 pointed me at another dongle design |
| 03:29:10 | as_ | Do you have software for ipaq jtag? |
| 03:29:19 | sorphin | that they use/he used for dealing w/ cable boxen ;) |
| 03:29:25 | MonMotha | as_: again, I could probably get it if I needed it |
| 03:29:33 | sorphin | as_: quit name switching, ya pommie ;) |
| 03:29:59 | BZFlag | jflash should work for the ipaq. |
| 03:30:08 | as_ | Its the software that determins what lines need connecting to what LPT port pins, not the hardware. |
| 03:30:21 | BZFlag | iirc the flash is always write enabled on ipaq? |
| 03:30:42 | sorphin | as_: i was mainly refering to not on the lpt side, but on the ipaq side, how many pins it has and what pins are where |
| 03:30:55 | sorphin | since teh tux doesn't have the same layout as say the lart |
| 03:30:58 | as_ | sorphin, write to my ISP, tell them the 2 hour resets are not fair. HAha. |
| 03:31:08 | MonMotha | BZFlag: I know the bootloader they use can protect and unprotect the flash at will |
| 03:31:15 | MonMotha | I'm not sure hardware wise what's involved in that |
| 03:31:24 | sorphin | as_: use freeserve ;p |
| 03:31:50 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:31:53 | as_ | Most general jtag interfaces dont have a plug at all for the circuit, you get a series of leads with probes on. |
| 03:32:00 | MonMotha | sorphin: to be honest I don't even know where the jtag pins are on the ipaq right now, and I would have to sign an NDA to get that info from them |
| 03:32:01 | as_ | I am using freeserve. |
| 03:32:04 | MonMotha | though I can make a pretty good guess |
| 03:32:16 | MonMotha | now pin order I have no idea |
| 03:32:16 | sorphin | as_: odd |
| 03:32:17 | BZFlag | MonMotha: that's the lock/unlock command though I think. not a pin enable. |
| 03:32:32 | MonMotha | BZFlag: yeah, it's a command you can run from the CRL bootloader (pflash) |
| 03:32:48 | MonMotha | on the subject, would a port of the CRL loader to the tux be possible? |
| 03:32:57 | MonMotha | (not that I have the expertise to do such a thing) |
| 03:33:06 | BZFlag | MonMotha: at the block or partition layer, yes? that's the flash lock/unlock commands. no the pin. |
| 03:33:36 | MonMotha | no hardware modifications are needed to unlock the flash on the ipaq |
| 03:33:57 | BZFlag | MonMotha: yeah the crl bootldr should port fairly easily. I don't know if it now runs on any sa1100 units, but it would still be easy. |
| 03:34:35 | MonMotha | BZFlag: k, was just a hypothetical question |
| 03:34:51 | BZFlag | MonMotha: the flash has a write enable pin and on the zaurus you need to tell the software to turn it on. that would need to be added to jflash for the zaurus. |
| 03:34:56 | sorphin | anything nice about the crl ? |
| 03:35:56 | MonMotha | sorphin: it's a bootloader with full history (now I haven't ever used BLOB before...) |
| 03:36:00 | MonMotha | if that tells you anything :) |
| 03:36:17 | MonMotha | it's really an amazing bootloader, blows me away in terms of functionality |
| 03:36:39 | MonMotha | only thing I've used that's better is the ROM monitor on my sparcstation ipx, but that's a bit heaver than the crl loader I'd say :) |
| 03:36:47 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:36:58 | sorphin | the rom mon in my I2 is tolerable |
| 03:37:05 | BZFlag | bootldr has flash from CF support now, it's not yet in blob cvs. |
| 03:37:08 | sorphin | for what it is |
| 03:37:26 | MonMotha | crl loader speaks xmodem too, which makes uploads a bit friendlier (albeit slower) and more reliable |
| 03:37:28 | BZFlag | blob will shortly have bootp/tftp/nfs root boot though which bootldr does not. |
| 03:37:33 | MonMotha | I think they can now speak ymodem |
| 03:37:43 | BZFlag | blob speaks xmodem. |
| 03:38:03 | MonMotha | BZFlag: well, there's a reason for that...on the ipaq if you want to get on a network, you use a PCMCIA card, so the kernel needs pcmcia-cs loaded before it can speak tot he network, so you have to use an initrd |
| 03:38:06 | BZFlag | blob will also speak tftp over an ne2k CF card. |
| 03:38:13 | MonMotha | BZFlag: oh, I didn't see that in the docs |
| 03:38:25 | BZFlag | MonMotha: as I said, not in CVS yet. |
| 03:38:33 | MonMotha | xmodem isn't? |
| 03:38:42 | sorphin | too bad it doesn't support my proxim wireless card (no, not 802.11) |
| 03:38:49 | sorphin | xmodem is |
| 03:38:53 | sorphin | the tftp isn't |
| 03:38:54 | BZFlag | oh, xmodem should be in the docs in cvs, not in the 2.04 release though. |
| 03:39:19 | MonMotha | supposedly the latest CRL loader does ymodem, but I haven't done that yet |
| 03:40:09 | sorphin | anyone even kept inferno on? |
| 03:40:10 | sorphin | grins |
| 03:40:15 | BZFlag | there's zmodem code in the yopy loader that should get snarfed into blob/bootldr. |
| 03:40:27 | MonMotha | ah, nice |
| 03:40:36 | as_ | I'm still workdering if inferno or linux will be best for me. |
| 03:40:45 | sorphin | i have too many linux boxen |
| 03:40:52 | MonMotha | heh, YOU have too many linux boxen |
| 03:40:53 | sorphin | i don't want this phone to be "just another linux box" |
| 03:41:01 | MonMotha | has 12, all of them x86 except his ipaq |
| 03:41:15 | sorphin | if you count my tivos |
| 03:41:27 | sorphin | 9 |
| 03:41:39 | sorphin | and the I2 doesn't have linux by choice :/ |
| 03:42:03 | sorphin | the sparcs run solaris |
| 03:42:05 | BZFlag | lost count long ago. |
| 03:42:10 | sorphin | tried linux on em once |
| 03:42:13 | sorphin | sucked at the time |
| 03:42:17 | sorphin | so went back to solaris |
| 03:42:37 | sorphin | has used linux too long tho (since 1993).. and i need something other than just another command prompt ;p |
| 03:43:03 | legodude | w00t solaris |
| 03:43:09 | legodude | is pimping out sol9 on his u30 |
| 03:43:10 | sorphin | eyes legodude |
| 03:43:15 | sorphin | please |
| 03:43:17 | sorphin | PLEASE |
| 03:43:21 | sorphin | don't say 'w00t' :P |
| 03:43:25 | legodude | w00t w00t r00t |
| 03:43:36 | legodude | I dunno |
| 03:43:40 | sorphin | is gonna have to ignore you now |
| 03:43:44 | legodude | of all the 1337, I like w00t the best |
| 03:43:55 | legodude | but I'll refrain from saying it here |
| 03:43:59 | MonMotha | my IPX used to run linux (RH 5.2, it sucked), but is currently running on OpenBSD |
| 03:44:02 | legodude | or at least try to |
| 03:44:08 | sorphin | it's bad enough warewolf says w00t 800000 times |
| 03:44:14 | legodude | ja, linux has memory manager problems |
| 03:44:24 | legodude | openbsd and netbsd are much better on 4c |
| 03:44:34 | legodude | I still won't run anything but solaris on 4u |
| 03:44:37 | as_ | I wonder how woot is supposed to be prounced. |
| 03:44:45 | legodude | just like it reads |
| 03:44:46 | sorphin | w-oooooo-t |
| 03:44:52 | legodude | rhymes with hoot |
| 03:44:54 | legodude | and shoot |
| 03:44:56 | sorphin | anyways |
| 03:44:59 | as_ | Its not english though. |
| 03:44:59 | sorphin | enough leetspeak ;p |
| 03:45:07 | MonMotha | it's the sound the people in q3a make when they jump |
| 03:45:22 | sorphin | just reflashed inferno, it read all 4M of the file, and just sits there at reading still now.. |
| 03:45:24 | MonMotha | well, openbsd seems a bit crashy on my IPX |
| 03:45:24 | sorphin | boggles |
| 03:45:39 | legodude | ja MonMotha |
| 03:45:45 | legodude | about the w00t |
| 03:45:48 | legodude | but crashy |
| 03:45:49 | MonMotha | need to try NetBSD |
| 03:45:49 | legodude | that's strange |
| 03:45:56 | MonMotha | oh yeah, first time it booted it just died |
| 03:45:57 | legodude | my openbsd has never really crashed |
| 03:46:01 | as_ | I think it comes from the colder end of europe, I forget where though. |
| 03:46:17 | sorphin | sighs.. |
| 03:46:23 | MonMotha | hum, I need to go to sleep |
| 03:46:24 | sorphin | hooks up the jtag *again* |
| 03:46:31 | sorphin | . o O ( this, is pissing me off ) |
| 03:46:39 | legodude | save yourself the trouble sorphin |
| 03:46:43 | legodude | just send your tux to me |
| 03:46:48 | sorphin | no |
| 03:46:57 | legodude | you don't need two |
| 03:47:03 | sorphin | doesn't give away hardware |
| 03:47:29 | sorphin | anyways |
| 03:48:13 | sorphin | dun get this.. the only inferno bootload i can jtag flash, is the original one.. the new one, won't boot if i do it.. and then i go to flash a newer inferno and it hangs after reading it all.. makes no sense.. |
| 04:15:02 | sorphin | yay |
| 04:15:07 | sorphin | phone finally lives again |
| 04:16:28 | sorphin | ooh cool |
| 04:16:29 | sorphin | this is new |
| 04:16:51 | sorphin | "Welcome on SIP device: configuration required using Conf, Ether then Apply" |
| 04:17:57 | sorphin | heh, even has a shell menu option at the bottom |
| 04:18:00 | sorphin | interesting |
| 04:18:31 | as_ | Cool. |
| 04:22:13 | sorphin | :) |
| 04:22:49 | sorphin | ahh |
| 04:22:50 | sorphin | i see |
| 04:22:59 | sorphin | the banner at the top says "Lucent Web Phone" |
| 04:23:02 | sorphin | that'd be why |
| 04:23:11 | sorphin | is loading kernel2 not kernel1 |
| 04:23:15 | sorphin | cool |
| 06:23:09 | andersee | Hi Tim. |
| 06:31:00 | BZFlag | hey. bb init chat? |
| 06:31:04 | BZFlag | you got my reply? |
| 06:31:25 | BZFlag | log is still defined, only used if no syslogd and then never changed. |
| 06:31:30 | BZFlag | intentional? |
| 06:32:14 | BZFlag | ah, got your reply. ;-) |
| 06:32:45 | BZFlag | india trip delayed 2 weeks. |
| 06:33:41 | BZFlag | perhaps *log should be ifndef syslogd then? |
| 12:37:55 | | Morn was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: I didn't think IPv6 was in widespread use on the public net yet [Tue Jul 23 14:31:58 2002] |
| 12:37:55 | Harlekin | ibot: seen Morn |
| 12:38:02 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:38:26 | file | my shell is IPv6 :) |
| 12:38:52 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:39:13 | Harlekin | id really like to know why i cannot get opie to work on tuxscreen |
| 13:09:47 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 46 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: Hi Tim. [Mon Jul 29 07:23:09 2002] |
| 13:09:47 | sjhill | ibot: seen andersee |
| 13:10:26 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 13:12:35 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 13:12:42 | prpplague | sjhill: how goes it today? |
| 13:12:50 | prpplague | sjhill: working on anything fun today? |
| 13:13:59 | sjhill | prpplague: uclibc stuff for mips (again)...it never ends |
| 13:15:02 | sjhill | prpplague: and you? |
| 13:15:31 | prpplague | sjhill: multi-serial board stuff again to day |
| 13:15:57 | sjhill | yup, it's definitely Monday then..... :) |
| 13:16:26 | sjhill | librt.a hmmm.... |
| 13:19:47 | sjhill | librt is realtime threads apparently...is that different than pthreads? |
| 13:53:45 | sjhill | discovers that there is no AIO (librt) support in uClibc |
| 13:59:35 | MonMotha | WAS on ipv6... |
| 14:00:52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:01:04 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry was away from my desk... |
| 14:01:50 | prpplague | sjhill: ya i think due the uClibc being used with processors without mmu's the system doesn't support librt |
| 14:02:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good morning to you |
| 14:02:46 | Nermal_work | wonders where his tuxscreen order is |
| 14:02:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got fltk running pretty well on the zaurus |
| 14:02:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet |
| 14:03:37 | CosmicPenguin | wishes he could give out the Pixil source code |
| 14:04:06 | prpplague | ponders "hmmmmm pixil for zaurus..." |
| 14:04:20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: with FLTK - its possible - though the window manager wouldn' |
| 14:04:25 | CosmicPenguin | 't work |
| 14:06:58 | file | hums |
| 14:08:48 | Nermal_work | yay! |
| 14:08:55 | Nermal_work | squeezes file |
| 14:11:16 | file | feels squeezed |
| 14:11:33 | Nermal_work | :D |
| 14:14:30 | file | where's my laptop... |
| 14:16:25 | CosmicPenguin | still floating somewhere in the Atlantic at this point, right? |
| 14:16:31 | file | CosmicPenguin : bleh |
| 14:16:48 | file | I'd call USPS and ask about surface mail, but I'm lazy |
| 14:17:39 | Nermal_work | you ordered a laptop via surface mail ?! |
| 14:18:18 | file | Nermal_work : it's the only way USPS would ship it |
| 14:18:23 | file | I wanted airmail, but NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:18:24 | CosmicPenguin | thinks this room needs a FAQ |
| 14:18:31 | CosmicPenguin | Question 1 - whats up with file's laptop? |
| 14:18:43 | CosmicPenguin | Question 2 - why does the US Postal Service use wild boars for delivery? |
| 14:19:01 | sjhill | Question 3 - why do we care? |
| 14:19:16 | sjhill | Question 4 - how do i electrocute somebody remotely? |
| 14:19:57 | prpplague | sjhill: tazer and pic processor works pretty well |
| 14:19:59 | Nermal_work | lol |
| 14:20:00 | CosmicPenguin | is now worried - I knew hacking on MIPS would get to sjhill sooner or later |
| 14:23:26 | file | CosmicPenguin : scary |
| 14:29:21 | legodude | wait, file's laptop is a wild boar controlled by a pic? |
| 14:29:38 | file | legodude: sure - why not? |
| 14:29:50 | prpplague | damit, i've never going to hear the end of this, lol |
| 14:36:38 | legodude | file, man, I suggest you upgrade to at least tame boar, preferrably housecat |
| 14:37:16 | file | :) |
| 14:41:33 | file | waits for the mailman |
| 14:43:02 | Agarwal | hi guys, I need some help regarding configuring my network card on the tux |
| 14:44:23 | Agarwal | the card (d-link de-660+) is detected just alright, and is correctly showing up in ifconfig |
| 14:44:34 | Agarwal | my network.opts is (supposely) configured properly |
| 14:44:36 | legodude | ja? |
| 14:44:39 | legodude | and? |
| 14:44:53 | Agarwal | however, I can't ping anywhere on the netowkr |
| 14:45:15 | Agarwal | I can't ping from another machine to the tux neither |
| 14:47:03 | Agarwal | any idea? |
| 14:50:47 | Agarwal | I'll bbl... |
| 14:58:00 | CosmicPenguin | 10 to 1 its his resolv.conf |
| 14:59:55 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: or he has no default gateway |
| 15:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: true, true |
| 15:04:37 | CosmicPenguin | anyone wanna recommend an tiny embedded HTTP server that supports basic CGI? |
| 15:13:05 | legodude | apache + php + mod_perl + ssl support |
| 15:13:08 | legodude | obviously |
| 15:13:30 | legodude | I know of one |
| 15:13:35 | legodude | but I'm blanking right now |
| 15:15:23 | legodude | CosmicPenguin: http://www.tatanka.com/prod/info/pitcairn.html |
| 15:15:26 | legodude | does that help? |
| 15:15:50 | Agarwal | I'm back... if someone has some spare time to help me fix my net card on the tux, let me know |
| 15:19:27 | legodude | Agarwal: what is the problem exactly? |
| 15:20:25 | Agarwal | the device is detected, but I can't ping or access anything |
| 15:20:42 | Agarwal | network.opts is supposely configured correctly |
| 15:20:51 | Agarwal | I can't ping from another machine to the tux neither |
| 15:21:22 | legodude | does ifconfig eth0 show the ip address? |
| 15:21:33 | legodude | what does dmesg say? |
| 15:21:41 | Agarwal | yep for ifconfig |
| 15:21:57 | legodude | what card is it? |
| 15:22:31 | Agarwal | dmesg doesn't seem to write any particular error about the cards (beside the CS asked for 0V blabla)... |
| 15:22:45 | legodude | hrm |
| 15:22:50 | Agarwal | D-Link DE-660+, included in the config pcmcia file |
| 15:23:05 | legodude | I've got no idea |
| 15:23:10 | legodude | I think that card should be supported |
| 15:23:24 | Agarwal | that's what I think too :( |
| 15:23:27 | Agarwal | sucks... |
| 15:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | legodude: that does indeed. Thanks |
| 15:24:39 | CosmicPenguin | Agarwal: what does route say? |
| 15:25:03 | Agarwal | hmm, 2secs please |
| 15:25:45 | Agarwal | 2 entries for 192.168.0.0 (my network is 192.168.x.x) each with '*' as Gateway and 255.255.255.0 as Genmask and eth0 as interface |
| 15:25:50 | Agarwal | then the loopback |
| 15:26:00 | Agarwal | then 'default', which is my gateway, 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:27:32 | Agarwal | I can ping to localhost, I can ping to my own address (192.168.0.13) but I can't ping anywhere else |
| 15:31:08 | Agarwal | damn... |
| 15:32:37 | Agarwal | I,m using 20020501.jffs2, if that does matter |
| 15:34:49 | Agarwal | there isn't something "special" to do besides editing network.opts when the card is correctly detected, right? |
| 15:34:52 | sjhill | Agarwal: do a 'route -n' and show it here |
| 15:36:07 | Agarwal | 'route -n' doesn't seem to do nothing, I get the 'usage' output |
| 15:37:22 | sjhill | Agarwal: 'netstat -rn' |
| 15:38:55 | Agarwal | I don't have a netstat command, either in /usr/bin, /bin or /sbin |
| 15:40:16 | Agarwal | sounds normal or not? |
| 15:40:36 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 15:40:45 | sjhill | Agarwal: cat /proc/net/route |
| 15:41:50 | Agarwal | ok... please wait |
| 15:44:29 | Agarwal | warning... flood ahead |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | Iface Destination Gateway Flags RefCnt Use Metric Mask M |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | TU Window IRTT |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | eth0 0000A8C0 00000000 0001 0 0 0 00FFFFFF |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | 40 0 0 |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | lo 0000007F 00000000 0001 0 0 0 000000FF |
| 15:44:31 | Agarwal | 40 0 0 |
| 15:45:01 | sjhill | Agarwal: ok, so your network is '192.168.0.0' |
| 15:45:08 | Agarwal | yes |
| 15:45:32 | sjhill | Agarwal: you have no specified a default gateway, so packets not going to 'lo' or your ip don't know where to go |
| 15:46:24 | Agarwal | hmmm... but I do have this in 'route' |
| 15:46:26 | Agarwal | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:46:42 | sjhill | Agarwal: which 'route'? |
| 15:46:59 | sjhill | Agarwal: 'route -n' you mean? |
| 15:47:23 | Agarwal | 'route' alone |
| 15:47:34 | sjhill | Agarwal: do 'route -n'!!! |
| 15:47:43 | Agarwal | it lists the kernel ip routing table for me |
| 15:47:54 | Agarwal | 'route -n' doesnt work here |
| 15:48:14 | sjhill | Agarwal: so can you ping your gateway of '192.168.0.1'? |
| 15:48:20 | Agarwal | it must not be supported by the busybox binary |
| 15:48:30 | Agarwal | no... can't ping the gateway |
| 15:49:10 | sjhill | Agarwal: is your gateway filtering packets? |
| 15:49:30 | Agarwal | nope... it's a simple windows-based gateway |
| 15:50:24 | sjhill | Agarwal: windows? you are on your own dude... |
| 15:50:33 | Agarwal | I can ping to 127.0.0.0, I can ping to 192.168.0.13 (the address of the tux), but can't ping anywhere else |
| 15:51:13 | Agarwal | the gateway is unimportant here... the tux is directly connected to another machine anyway, which is NOT the gateway |
| 15:51:30 | Agarwal | address 192.168.0.14, and can't ping it neither |
| 15:52:50 | sjhill | have you tried a 'tcpdump' on a different machine with things connected into a hub so you can sniff packets? |
| 15:54:05 | Agarwal | nope, not yet... I hoped the solution was simple enough to avoid that :( I don't understand the problem, as the card should have worked right away... |
| 15:54:29 | sjhill | Agarwal: maybe you have interrupts conflicts, what kind of network card? |
| 15:55:05 | Agarwal | it's a D-Link DE-660+ (also listed as DE-660CT sometimes) |
| 15:55:36 | sjhill | Agarwal: those suck rocks on linux....try a different card |
| 15:55:51 | sjhill | d-link is shit hardware imho |
| 15:56:43 | Agarwal | heh well... yeah it is, but that's what I got for now. And besides, a guy on the wiki has a DE-660 working... but I do not know the difference between the 660 and the 660+. |
| 15:57:24 | sjhill | i don't either... |
| 15:57:27 | sjhill | is out of time |
| 15:57:36 | Agarwal | ok... thanks anyway. |
| 16:17:47 | Agarwal | ayaya... I presume it's not normal that my netcard seems to run on irq 48!!! |
| 16:19:56 | Agarwal | or is it? |
| 16:47:41 | MonMotha | there's more IRQs in this thing than your pC has...sad |
| 16:47:43 | MonMotha | oh, he left |
| 17:27:48 | sjhill | peeks around |
| 17:30:29 | andersee | sjhill: morning |
| 17:30:38 | andersee | sjhill: err. afternoon. |
| 17:51:40 | sjhill | hey andersee |
| 18:04:07 | andersee | sjhill: how goes it? |
| 18:06:49 | sjhill | andersee: oh, i've determined that using locales in uclibc is a PITA |
| 18:07:33 | sjhill | but i've been known to be an idiot oo |
| 18:07:38 | sjhill | too even |
| 18:09:18 | Hiraghm | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042489267 |
| 18:10:05 | Hiraghm | Hello |
| 18:11:05 | Hiraghm | thought someone might be interested |
| 18:11:23 | sjhill | probably 'cause it's your auction |
| 18:16:46 | andersee | sjhill: yeah, locales are still a bit of a pain to setup.... |
| 18:26:49 | andersee | howdy tim |
| 18:57:29 | BZFlag | andersee: hey. tired. headed into work. what time did you get to bed? ;-) |
| 18:59:11 | Nermal | how are the orders doing ? |
| 19:04:30 | BZFlag | got quite a few going out tomorrow. I'll update the count afterwards. |
| 19:04:52 | BZFlag | later... |
| 19:14:01 | | prpplague was last seen on #zaurus 34 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: lol [Mon Jul 29 19:39:38 2002] |
| 19:14:01 | Tangent | ibot seen prpplague |
| 19:14:15 | Tangent | prpplague: Any news on the SA1100 hack board? |
| 19:20:28 | andersee | BZFlag: got to bed about 5am... |
| 19:20:36 | andersee | BZFlag: you? |
| 19:27:43 | prpplague | Tangent: ya ,we are working on the first prototypes now |
| 19:28:17 | prpplague | Tangent: i expect a couple of proto boards in about 3 weeks then a small production run in about 12 weeks |
| 19:28:45 | prpplague | Tangent: its actually going to be sa-1110 based |
| 19:29:12 | Nermal | lo Tangent :D |
| 19:29:32 | Nermal | what temperature is your office :P |
| 19:29:36 | prpplague | Tangent: the board will be the size of a standard pc/104 board and use .1" connectors that are hand solderable |
| 19:30:51 | Nermal | nice |
| 19:30:52 | Nermal | $ ? |
| 19:32:01 | prpplague | Nermal: about $400 with just the board, $500 for a complete development kit |
| 19:32:17 | Nermal | dies |
| 19:32:27 | Nermal | why not just get a tuxscreen / broken ipaq ? |
| 19:34:02 | prpplague | Nermal_work: well, one schools generally won't buy broken or discontinued stuff, two if you design something with the board you'll want to go into production of it, three its sometimes difficult to do hardware development on systems that are design for that |
| 19:35:00 | prpplague | s/are/aren't |
| 19:36:03 | prpplague | Nermal_Melting: i.e its not exactly easy to test new lcd configurations by hacking a ipaq up |
| 19:36:14 | Nermal_Melting | hmm. .true |
| 19:36:18 | Nermal_Melting | just wondering :) |
| 19:41:52 | prpplague | Nermal_Melting: i love the tuxscreen, but getting it to a point where i can learn about integrating lcd's, pcmcia, and gpio can be cumbersome |
| 19:42:05 | Nermal_Melting | yah... I guess :| |
| 19:42:42 | Tangent | prpplague: : Sounds cool.. did the PIC microcontrollers make it on there? |
| 19:43:14 | prpplague | Tangent: not on the main board, the development board that comes with the $500 will probably have one |
| 19:43:48 | Tangent | Sadly $500 puts me out of the running for now... still got no job |
| 19:44:21 | file | prpplague: feel like sending azmarith today? |
| 19:44:50 | prpplague | file: feel like going to the liquor store and getting me some guinness? |
| 19:45:21 | file | prpplague: I'm not old enough for that |
| 19:46:22 | prpplague | file: hmm, guess thats a no |
| 19:46:38 | file | prpplague: I'll send you... chocolates! |
| 19:47:02 | file | coffee creme chocolates |
| 19:48:24 | file | prpplague: mmm guess not |
| 19:48:43 | file | needs something quick to test his NIC and azmarith is perfect for the job |
| 19:48:47 | prpplague | file: the boar would eat them |
| 19:49:16 | prpplague | file: we don't have pick up here for the fedex international |
| 19:49:27 | file | prpplague: so go UPS... |
| 19:49:50 | file | prpplague: how much is the TCSX-1 worth for customs? |
| 19:49:53 | prpplague | file: i'm about 1.5 hours from either of the closet UPS or FEDEX offices |
| 19:50:07 | file | prpplague: what about your work? |
| 19:50:27 | prpplague | file: i'm talking about work |
| 19:50:40 | file | oh my |
| 19:50:45 | file | you can't send it through your work? |
| 19:50:56 | prpplague | file: hmmm |
| 19:50:58 | prpplague | file: we don't have pick up here for the fedex international |
| 19:51:12 | file | prpplague: what about UPS International? |
| 19:51:30 | prpplague | file: i'll have to drive it to the UPS or fedex office one evening |
| 19:51:40 | file | prpplague: that's sucky... |
| 19:51:58 | file | didn't want to inconvience prpplague |
| 19:52:12 | prpplague | file: np, i'll run it over this week on the way home |
| 19:52:35 | file | notes it's going t ocost him some $$$ |
| 19:52:47 | file | I hate shipping stuff |
| 19:52:48 | prpplague | file: i'll declare it as a thin client value $45USD |
| 19:52:59 | prpplague | file: that do the trick? |
| 19:53:06 | file | prpplague: with who? |
| 19:53:27 | prpplague | file: your customs |
| 19:53:38 | file | prpplague: I mean UPS or Fedex :) |
| 19:53:46 | file | UPS will tack on about $40 in extra fees |
| 19:54:00 | prpplague | file: which one is easier to get through customs? |
| 19:54:07 | file | prpplague: Fedex... |
| 19:54:13 | prpplague | file: ok fedex then |
| 19:54:21 | file | actually USPS is |
| 19:54:42 | prpplague | file: well then i can send it via USPS |
| 19:54:51 | prpplague | file: that would be easier on me |
| 19:54:55 | file | prpplague: yes please |
| 19:55:07 | file | costs less $$$ and I would pay only a few bucks for customs |
| 19:56:29 | file | prpplague: think you can remember two things in your current state of mind? |
| 19:56:46 | prpplague | beer, code |
| 19:56:59 | file | ...two other things |
| 19:57:00 | prpplague | yep i can remember two things |
| 19:57:05 | BZFlag | andersee: 2am or so. early for me. though I'm lagging today, huh? ;-) |
| 19:57:06 | prpplague | thats four things |
| 19:57:09 | file | USPS Airmail and on the Customs form: Gift :) |
| 19:57:24 | file | prpplague : expand your array :p |
| 19:57:37 | prpplague | file: Customs form: description - bag of crack |
| 19:58:02 | file | prpplague: oh my, are we getting a memory leak? |
| 19:58:44 | MonMotha | ah, BZFlag is here |
| 19:58:49 | prpplague | hmm, that brings something to mind, i wonder if i could be criminal charge for sending a copy of deccs on cd out of the country |
| 19:58:55 | MonMotha | BZFlag: to get one of these things I just send you money and an address? |
| 19:59:33 | Tangent | BZFlag: How're you getting on with the DCT-5000 ? |
| 20:00:31 | MonMotha | oh, a different kind of lagging :)_ |
| 20:00:56 | MonMotha | spends far too much time on IRC |
| 20:02:36 | BZFlag | Tangent: no progress. swamped with other things. |
| 20:02:55 | BZFlag | MonMotha: a tux? yeah. see the puchase page on the web site. |
| 20:03:05 | MonMotha | yeah, just making sure I'm reading it right |
| 20:05:19 | MonMotha | you send email regarding confirmation once you process the order? |
| 20:05:26 | Harlekin | hi BZFlag |
| 20:05:55 | Harlekin | BZFlag: could you enlighten me, on busybox, when i execute an bin and its prompts: No such file .... |
| 20:06:09 | Harlekin | BZFlag: could that also mean that it cannot find a specific lib to load? |
| 20:06:52 | BZFlag | Harlekin: not likely. it normally means that you did not compile a given command in. |
| 20:07:06 | BZFlag | try just running busybox to get the list of what is included. |
| 20:07:09 | Harlekin | BZFlag: strange, took the dirs 1:1 from my ipaq |
| 20:07:21 | Harlekin | BZFlag: copied it on a cf |
| 20:07:26 | Harlekin | BZFlag: mounted the cf |
| 20:07:28 | BZFlag | MonMotha: not normally, no. I get too many orders. |
| 20:07:46 | MonMotha | BZFlag: k |
| 20:07:51 | Harlekin | BZFlag: arg, sorry not busybox, i ment on tuxscreen |
| 20:07:54 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:08:07 | BZFlag | Harlekin: oh, can't find the busybox binary? then yeah a library issue. |
| 20:08:15 | Harlekin | BZFlag: nono |
| 20:08:21 | BZFlag | I thought you meant one of the built in bb commands. |
| 20:08:45 | Harlekin | BZFlag: what i did: took opie from ipaq, copied it on a cf, mounted the cf in tuxscreen, tried to launch an opie app |
| 20:09:06 | BZFlag | Harlekin: might work if you chroot to the cf first. |
| 20:09:32 | BZFlag | or LD_LIBRARY_PATH=..cf/lib:cf/usr/lib command. etc. |
| 20:09:38 | Harlekin | BZFlag: I can excute some binaries |
| 20:09:44 | Harlekin | but on some i get that message |
| 20:09:52 | BZFlag | Harlekin: static binaries will work ok. |
| 20:10:00 | Harlekin | and modprobe sefaults btw |
| 20:10:17 | Harlekin | BZFlag: but souldnt the message for a missing lib should look a bit different? |
| 20:11:11 | BZFlag | hmm... ah! it's not finding /lib/ld-whatever |
| 20:11:24 | BZFlag | again, chroot or pivot_root will fix that. |
| 20:13:00 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 20:13:04 | Harlekin | googles |
| 20:20:33 | file | lalala |
| 20:22:28 | Harlekin | BZFlag: but why doesnt adding all the lib dirs to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH helps |
| 20:26:24 | BZFlag | Harlekin: tux uses a different ld than familiar. |
| 20:26:52 | BZFlag | that much is hard coded in the binary. so /lib/ld-foo will need to be on your tux filesystem and it is not. |
| 20:27:00 | BZFlag | a symlink should work though. |
| 20:27:10 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 20:27:19 | Harlekin | pivot_root |
| 20:27:20 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 20:27:26 | file | BZFlag: what'cha going to sell next? |
| 20:27:53 | BZFlag | file: no idea. I think I'm going to start a zaurus site next. |
| 20:28:01 | file | BZFlag: bah |
| 20:28:19 | file | BZFlag: try to find a stash of I-Openers... or Websurfer Pros... or something else |
| 20:28:28 | BZFlag | not as cheap, but portable. now let's get the software up to snuff. ;-) |
| 20:28:55 | Harlekin | BZFlag: so that file not found message _can_ be because of libs, cool. Now i just need to find out how to handle pivot_root |
| 20:29:07 | file | wasn't found |
| 20:29:26 | prpplague | BZFlag: cool, can i get in on that? :) |
| 20:29:30 | BZFlag | Harlekin: I suspect it is looking for /lib/ld-linux.so.2 which does not exist. |
| 20:29:56 | BZFlag | symlink it to the one on CF and it might work., might still need the LD_LIBRARY_PATH too. |
| 20:30:40 | Harlekin | k |
| 20:47:19 | file | so... what's everyone up to? |
| 20:50:44 | Tangent | watching minority report |
| 20:54:07 | CosmicPenguin | adding a web server to the STB |
| 21:18:04 | Harlekin | BZFlag: one more, the red led is constantly blinking here |
| 21:18:07 | Harlekin | how to turn it of |
| 21:26:02 | ][N-Flux | got his Tuxscreen today :) |
| 21:26:17 | ][N-Flux | just need to have it running something a little more beefy\ |
| 21:26:27 | file | hehe |
| 21:27:16 | ][N-Flux | hey file |
| 21:27:35 | file | hi |
| 21:28:18 | ][N-Flux | ponders |
| 21:28:34 | file | ][N-Flux: You should call USPS for me :) |
| 21:30:42 | ][N-Flux | why?> |
| 21:31:14 | file | ][N-Flux : to ask some questions |
| 21:31:21 | ][N-Flux | Like? |
| 21:31:29 | ][N-Flux | c'mon elaborate |
| 21:31:48 | file | how long surface mail to Canada takes |
| 21:31:54 | file | and if a laptop with a battery can be sent airmail |
| 21:32:54 | file | :) |
| 21:32:55 | ][N-Flux | battery has to be out, but in the same package |
| 21:33:02 | file | it is |
| 21:33:16 | ][N-Flux | surface mail to canada is about 14days give or take |
| 21:33:23 | ][N-Flux | from my exp anyway |
| 21:33:24 | file | shivers |
| 21:34:13 | file | ][N-Flux : I wanted airmail... but noooooooooo |
| 21:34:41 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 21:35:00 | file | stupid USPS |
| 21:35:28 | file | wonders if he could have sent it airmail |
| 21:35:39 | legodude | why couldn't you have? |
| 21:35:44 | legodude | do they open it up and look/ |
| 21:35:49 | legodude | just box it yourself and go |
| 21:35:55 | file | legodude: read customs declaration |
| 21:36:07 | legodude | call it a gift |
| 21:36:15 | file | it was |
| 21:36:19 | ][N-Flux | Canada=gift :) |
| 21:36:21 | file | but you still have to say what it is |
| 21:36:28 | legodude | call it misc computer parts |
| 21:36:40 | file | too laten ow... |
| 21:36:42 | file | er late now |
| 21:37:10 | file | ][N-Flux : 14 days not including weekends? |
| 21:37:33 | ][N-Flux | that's the give or take |
| 21:37:50 | file | yeah |
| 21:37:57 | file | I've seen 6 days... 5 days... |
| 21:38:37 | legodude | mozilla needs freaknastyhuge amounts of disk space to compile |
| 21:38:38 | file | and with airmail I got 4 days (faster than UPS and Fedex) |
| 21:38:38 | legodude | and time |
| 21:39:24 | file | ][N-Flux : so it really is truck? |
| 21:41:06 | ][N-Flux | huh? |
| 21:41:12 | ][N-Flux | is confused |
| 21:43:24 | file | ][N-Flux : surface shipping |
| 21:45:44 | file | ...silence |
| 21:47:48 | ][N-Flux | ah |
| 21:47:50 | ][N-Flux | cleaning |
| 21:47:53 | ][N-Flux | dunno |
| 21:47:56 | ][N-Flux | probably |
| 21:48:03 | file | ic |
| 21:48:03 | ][N-Flux | not a mule or anything like that |
| 21:48:16 | file | perhaps a kids flying airplane? |
| 21:49:05 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 21:49:42 | file | interesting |
| 21:49:57 | file | so I've got much time to wait... marvelous |
| 21:50:02 | file | waiting - just what I do worst |
| 21:51:22 | ][N-Flux | same |
| 21:52:03 | file | same what? |
| 21:53:11 | ][N-Flux | brb |
| 21:53:16 | file | alrighty then |
| 21:53:22 | ][N-Flux | and same as In hating to wait |
| 21:53:34 | file | aye |
| 21:53:43 | file | I had no choice, I don't have the money for UPS or Fedex |
| 22:00:47 | Harlekin | how do i turn the "message / new call" pff |
| 22:00:49 | Harlekin | off |
| 22:00:51 | Harlekin | even |
| 22:02:47 | ][N-Flux | just got mine so I dunno |
| 22:05:50 | ][N-Flux | hey scanline |
| 22:06:16 | scanline | hi ][N-Flux |
| 22:07:07 | ][N-Flux | hunts for a pcmcia hdd |
| 22:22:47 | MonMotha | toshba makes pcmcia hdds |
| 22:22:50 | MonMotha | toshiba |
| 22:23:06 | legodude | compgeeks has them |
| 22:27:31 | jacques | hell what's new? |
| 22:27:37 | jacques | lol, meant hellO |
| 22:34:26 | ][N-Flux | hrmmm |
| 22:34:34 | ][N-Flux | I should do the ide mod |
| 22:34:47 | ][N-Flux | I have a few small laptop drives |
| 22:35:41 | ][N-Flux | ponders |
| 22:35:48 | ][N-Flux | ponder ponder ponder |
| 22:37:24 | ][N-Flux | helps if I know what size it is |
| 22:43:52 | ][N-Flux | ew |
| 22:43:56 | ][N-Flux | 85 meg |
| 22:44:27 | sorphin | of |
| 22:44:37 | ][N-Flux | hdd |
| 22:44:47 | ][N-Flux | old laptop drive |
| 22:45:04 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:45:09 | sorphin | thought maybe you meant of pr0n |
| 22:45:11 | sorphin | i was gonna say |
| 22:45:13 | sorphin | that ain't much |
| 22:45:22 | ][N-Flux | no that would be gig :) |
| 22:45:34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 22:45:38 | sorphin | that all? |
| 22:45:39 | sorphin | grins |
| 22:48:06 | sorphin | done anything to your phones? |
| 22:48:23 | ][N-Flux | just got mine |
| 22:48:30 | ][N-Flux | hence looking for the laptop drive |
| 22:48:38 | sorphin | ahh |
| 22:48:59 | sorphin | got a pcmcia card here for external ide ;) |
| 22:49:38 | sorphin | meant for cdrom |
| 22:49:45 | sorphin | but it works just fine w/ hdds |
| 22:49:56 | scanline | is away: going to the bank |
| 22:50:12 | ][N-Flux | yeah used to have one of those |
| 22:50:24 | ][N-Flux | I wonder where my libretto drive went |
| 22:50:28 | ][N-Flux | that was 6gig |
| 22:52:20 | sorphin | my 6G (one of 2 that i bought and the only one that worked :/ ) is in my WSP |
| 22:53:46 | sorphin | is unamused atm |
| 22:54:21 | sorphin | xfered one of his domains to a diff registrar (one where i have my other 4), and it's still not in the whois database, which means, you can't nslookup it.. |
| 23:39:15 | ][N-Flux | is away: Bullocks |