| 02:17:33 | prpplague | as_: back again? |
| 02:26:33 | as_ | Yup ;] |
| 02:26:47 | as_ | My ISP resets the line every 2 hours. |
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| 02:41:24 | prpplague | ibot: seen jacques_gone |
| 04:18:02 | sorphin | ping (to anyone that's done the jtag) |
| 04:20:05 | as2 | Not me, but if youve a question, youd be better stating it ;] |
| 04:20:31 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:21:04 | sorphin | just wondered if anyone's done it w/o the dongle (direct connection, since the buffer and the caps are just for cleanliness).. |
| 04:21:18 | as2 | Umm, not just. |
| 04:21:28 | as2 | The SA isnt 5v tolerent. |
| 04:21:56 | sorphin | well, my parallel port happens to toss out 3.3v on the data lines when it gets a high bit |
| 04:22:17 | as2 | Is it 100% glitch free? |
| 04:23:21 | sorphin | never had any probs.. |
| 04:23:46 | sorphin | anyways, that's not the point atm.. |
| 04:23:49 | as2 | Unless youve used something very similar to jtag before, you wouldnt know. |
| 04:24:24 | sorphin | sighs |
| 04:24:29 | as2 | Ive used jtag with other hardware before, and the motherboard port on my athlon board glitches. |
| 04:24:55 | as2 | Doesnt affect printers, or zip drives, but completely useless with jtag. |
| 04:24:58 | sorphin | my _point_ was about the wire mapping |
| 04:25:19 | as2 | I mention this because I spent 2 weeks pulling my hair out because it wasnt working. |
| 04:25:43 | sorphin | welp, guess i gotta dig up the chip and some caps and etch a board then.. |
| 04:25:44 | as2 | Yes, you can use 100ohm resistors with a direct connection, provided you arnt overloading the sa. |
| 04:25:59 | sorphin | erm |
| 04:26:15 | sorphin | why even the resistors if the parallel port is 3.3v (not 5) |
| 04:26:31 | as2 | Reflections. |
| 04:27:06 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:27:24 | as2 | JTAG will typically work up to 10MHz, so if you put a reasonably long cable on it with no termination, it can screw up. |
| 04:27:30 | sorphin | welp, guess this TS is a paperweight for longer then.. |
| 04:28:09 | as2 | LPT wont do much over 100khz but what matters is the edge rate. |
| 04:28:46 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:28:50 | as2 | If your sure your lpt port doeant go over 3.3v, theres no harm in trying it directly. |
| 04:29:01 | sorphin | just measured it |
| 04:29:07 | sorphin | to make sure the port was even working |
| 04:29:23 | sorphin | send the port a 255 (high) it's 3.3v |
| 04:29:30 | sorphin | send it a low, it's "gnd" |
| 04:32:40 | sorphin | hooked it up, and get the normal "can't id the thing" error.. |
| 04:33:11 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 04:34:17 | as2 | One option might be to alter the wiring, and then use a program not designed for the sa to read the id. |
| 04:34:41 | as2 | Do you have a scope? |
| 04:35:38 | sorphin | no, just a decent meter |
| 04:36:22 | as2 | I cant really help then. Checking TDO is toggling would confirm its wired in cirrectly. |
| 04:37:34 | sorphin | well, i can't exactly afford a scope :P |
| 04:37:50 | sorphin | so watch tdo when running "flash" or ? |
| 04:38:02 | sorphin | or it'll do it regardless... |
| 04:38:14 | as2 | When running flash. |
| 04:38:35 | sorphin | k |
| 04:38:48 | as2 | TDO is the only data return path from the device. If its not connected nothing apears to work. |
| 04:39:02 | sorphin | all i know is once i do get it back to inferno, i'm NOT putting linux near it again.. |
| 04:39:03 | sorphin | k |
| 04:39:34 | as2 | This was a blob install failed I assume? |
| 04:39:56 | sorphin | actually, blob installed fine, etc.. it was reinfernoing *after* linux was there.. i followed the page.. heh |
| 04:40:09 | as2 | Doh. |
| 04:40:12 | sorphin | unfortunately, the newer blob only allowed kernel+ramdisk |
| 04:40:21 | sorphin | so i had to go backwards in blob |
| 04:40:49 | as2 | Could have been a serial port error. What do you plan on using it for with inferno? |
| 04:42:13 | sorphin | the phone, and figure out how to SIP it.. |
| 04:42:29 | as2 | SIP? |
| 04:43:27 | sorphin | yeah, tis for VoIP |
| 04:43:40 | as2 | Ahh. |
| 04:44:32 | sorphin | cisco phones can talk SIP and so can the Tux (but found a page for doing it w/ linux), but i don't wanna have "just another linux box" w/ it that i have to reflash every time i wanna change something on it |
| 04:45:57 | as2 | You could fit a HD, I plan to when I have some time. |
| 04:46:20 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:46:34 | warewolf | laptop size hd, right? |
| 04:47:20 | as2 | That depends on the price of the pcmcia drives and of the state of play with Tom's IDE interface. |
| 04:48:12 | as2 | I might just be content fitting a normal 3.5 inch drive, even if I need something else to mount it outside. |
| 04:50:54 | as2 | The plan is to use the tux to interface my electronics projects. |
| 04:55:17 | sorphin | why? |
| 04:55:47 | as2 | I cant get data into or outof my PC fast enough. |
| 04:57:49 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:58:57 | as2 | I need about 5M/sec. |
| 04:59:38 | as2 | SCSI, IDE, PCI and USB2.0 are all to complex. Everthing else is just too low. |
| 04:59:40 | as2 | Slow. |
| 05:00:08 | MonMotha | fast ethernet? |
| 05:00:28 | MonMotha | hardly easy to speak though... |
| 05:00:37 | MonMotha | maybe firewire? |
| 05:00:58 | sorphin | as2: wtf do you need 5M/sec for? |
| 05:01:43 | as2 | Digital video mux is slightly under 40MBit. |
| 05:01:51 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:02:01 | as2 | Fast ethernet could work if I could find a chip to talk to it for me. |
| 05:02:48 | sorphin | Asix 88976 |
| 05:02:54 | sorphin | ;) |
| 05:03:36 | as2 | Which I need to be able to fab the board for at home. |
| 05:03:41 | as2 | NEver heard of it. |
| 05:03:53 | as2 | Does it have a zillion pins? |
| 05:09:15 | sorphin | well, yeah, cuz it has everything in it |
| 05:10:36 | as2 | If its bigger than an 88pin PLCC, then I cant fab for it. |
| 05:11:46 | sorphin | well, you're not gonna find a fast eth chip smaller |
| 05:13:05 | as2 | It would probably be too complicated to design for anyway. |
| 05:13:20 | as2 | What I need is like an LPT port, only much faster. |
| 05:13:36 | as2 | Which it would be if motherboard designers wernt so analy retentive. |
| 05:14:36 | as2 | EPP can go to 8M/sec in the design, but its limited to under 2M becuase of the way its wired. |
| 05:17:06 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:17:10 | sorphin | checks his wiring |
| 05:18:25 | as2 | I wonder how fast it is on a motherboard with no ISA. |
| 05:19:49 | sorphin | dunno |
| 05:28:36 | sorphin | as2: incase you're wondering why i'm trying the straight wire method btw, is cuz i don't feel like spending another $40 for the dongle ;p |
| 05:29:00 | as2 | I figured that much ;] |
| 05:29:16 | sorphin | well, it's overpriced ;p |
| 05:30:00 | as2 | I dont know where he gets them from. |
| 05:30:09 | as2 | IT is overpriced though. |
| 05:31:45 | sorphin | was looking at the gerbers w/ gerbv, trying to sort it out's an annoyance.. |
| 05:32:09 | as2 | Looking at what? |
| 05:32:21 | as2 | A JTAG schematic? |
| 05:32:25 | sorphin | the gerber files for the dongle (basically the board layout) |
| 05:32:32 | as2 | Ahh. |
| 05:32:33 | sorphin | they're the files you send to a fab |
| 05:32:50 | sorphin | gerbv is a linux program that will display them |
| 05:33:21 | as2 | I made mine from a gif of a mask. |
| 05:33:24 | sorphin | sorting out the layers is what i'm having fun w/ |
| 05:33:47 | sorphin | so you relayed out the board ? |
| 05:33:53 | as2 | Its not pin for pin compatable with LART jtag though. |
| 05:34:03 | as2 | Its a very simple design. |
| 05:34:16 | sorphin | put it this way |
| 05:34:23 | sorphin | does it *work* ? ;) |
| 05:34:43 | as2 | With the ST20, yes. |
| 05:34:54 | sorphin | i dunno wtf they put a 13 pin header on the shannon |
| 05:34:59 | sorphin | when they don't use 13 pins ;p |
| 05:35:33 | sorphin | you can't plug straight up like you can w/ the lart (as i saw from the pics) |
| 05:35:39 | sorphin | you have to use a stupid cable |
| 05:36:47 | as2 | I dont know what the other lines are for. |
| 05:36:49 | sorphin | happen to have the image(s) of yours handy? |
| 05:37:13 | as2 | Hmm, I'll look quickly. |
| 05:39:37 | sorphin | :) |
| 05:40:06 | sorphin | all i need the jtag for is the phone anyways, so it doesn't matter if it works for anything else or not |
| 05:46:52 | as2 | This may take slightly longer. Hmmf. |
| 05:47:21 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:00:46 | as2 | ftp://ftp.hm.ukrtel.net/pub/ |
| 06:00:57 | as2 | Get this file, JTAG-board.zip |
| 06:01:05 | sorphin | k |
| 06:01:24 | as2 | Not version 2 of the interface. |
| 06:01:29 | sorphin | ? |
| 06:01:59 | as2 | Theres a 'Version 2.0' by someone else, and its flawwed. |
| 06:02:24 | sorphin | ah |
| 06:02:28 | sorphin | well, i don't want flawed ;) |
| 06:02:56 | sorphin | man |
| 06:03:01 | sorphin | lotta jtag stuff in here ;) |
| 06:03:15 | as2 | I was only finding v2.0 on my HD. |
| 06:03:50 | sorphin | 94682 Jan 11 2002 JTAG v2.0.zip |
| 06:03:55 | sorphin | that's not it? *grin* |
| 06:04:15 | as2 | Yes, thats the abomination. |
| 06:04:47 | sorphin | it's on the ftp |
| 06:04:56 | as2 | Yes, it is. |
| 06:04:56 | sorphin | i'll avoid it :) |
| 06:05:40 | sorphin | anything else in here i'd be interested in? *grin* |
| 06:06:18 | as2 | Depends if you have a sat box with a st20 cpu in it. |
| 06:07:26 | sorphin | looks at these chips in the dtivo again.. |
| 06:07:37 | as2 | Not ST20. |
| 06:07:55 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:08:08 | sorphin | i was gonna look at the sat chips, but apparently you remember already ;p |
| 06:08:56 | sorphin | anyhoo |
| 06:09:10 | as2 | Theres a bunch of them used, ST20 is mostly used in EU boxes. |
| 06:09:37 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:10:26 | as2 | In directivo, I think its moterola based. You can use JTAG, but you need an extension called BDM. |
| 06:10:39 | sorphin | in the dtivo |
| 06:10:48 | sorphin | the cpu is an ibm ppc |
| 06:10:50 | sorphin | but |
| 06:10:59 | sorphin | there are 2 chips used for the SAT stuff |
| 06:11:09 | sorphin | and they do all the sat stuff |
| 06:11:23 | as2 | ppc is the moterola one I was thinking of. |
| 06:12:28 | sorphin | oh, i was misthinking |
| 06:12:40 | sorphin | OMEGA D&S STi5505MVC-X |
| 06:12:47 | sorphin | that's what i was thinking of.. ah well |
| 06:13:03 | as_ | Oh, what system is that chip it? |
| 06:13:05 | as_ | In. |
| 06:13:10 | sorphin | the dtivo |
| 06:13:13 | as_ | <as2> ppc is the moterola one I was thinking of. |
| 06:13:15 | sorphin | it has 2 of them |
| 06:13:25 | as_ | Thats ST20 based. |
| 06:13:32 | as_ | What box, who makes it? |
| 06:13:37 | sorphin | uh |
| 06:13:44 | sorphin | it's a philips dtivo |
| 06:13:56 | as_ | Interesting. |
| 06:14:03 | sorphin | the cpu is an ibm ppc |
| 06:14:11 | sorphin | but the sat stuff is handled by those to 5505s |
| 06:14:19 | as_ | 2 of them? |
| 06:14:31 | sorphin | yup |
| 06:14:39 | as_ | The Sti5505 is also a CPU. |
| 06:14:56 | sorphin | http://www.9thtee.com/insidedirectv-tivo.htm |
| 06:14:58 | sorphin | look there |
| 06:15:06 | sorphin | it's part 40 on the image w/ the #'s |
| 06:15:42 | as_ | That is very very odd. |
| 06:16:24 | sorphin | well, they're keeping it independant.. don't ask me |
| 06:16:53 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:17:08 | sorphin | you're using a 74244 |
| 06:18:00 | as_ | STi 5505, has a CPU, a DeMux, and an MPEG Decoder... |
| 06:18:14 | as_ | And on screen display. |
| 06:18:19 | sorphin | yup |
| 06:19:26 | as_ | So why there is 2 of them, and another CPU. |
| 06:19:37 | sorphin | hmm.. decent layout, and should be easier to do than the other one |
| 06:19:38 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:19:46 | sorphin | the ppc is what runs the tivo sw |
| 06:20:00 | sorphin | the 5505's are for the sat part of the tivo |
| 06:20:05 | as_ | I think I can see why. |
| 06:21:37 | sorphin | and hey, no SMT :) |
| 06:22:07 | sorphin | but a crossed 25 pin cable? |
| 06:22:11 | as_ | The tivo stores the decrypted streams. |
| 06:22:25 | sorphin | and actually |
| 06:22:36 | sorphin | they encrypt them, themselves, vary cheesily |
| 06:23:12 | as_ | Hmm. |
| 06:23:33 | as_ | You will need to alter the connections to the LPT port to make it work. |
| 06:24:05 | sorphin | howso? |
| 06:24:20 | as_ | LART uses different pins for each jtag function. |
| 06:24:55 | as_ | So long as TCK, TDI, TMS are the ones going to, and the TDO is the one coming back, it will be fine. |
| 06:25:08 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:25:17 | as_ | Check the LART schematic for which LPT pin each of those connects too. |
| 06:25:25 | sorphin | right |
| 06:25:33 | sorphin | 2,3,4 and 11 |
| 06:25:36 | sorphin | 11 is TDO |
| 06:25:49 | sorphin | 3 is TDI |
| 06:25:55 | sorphin | 2 is TCK |
| 06:26:04 | sorphin | 4 is TMS |
| 06:26:40 | as_ | Ok, cool, so long as that didnt come from the Vlad schematic, it will be right. |
| 06:27:26 | sorphin | that came from the schematic that is on the tuxscreen jtag wiki page |
| 06:28:11 | sorphin | 2,3,4 are data, 11 is Busy. so.. should be fine |
| 06:28:56 | sorphin | thought you said this is the one you built? |
| 06:29:30 | as_ | It is, but its not wired for lart. |
| 06:30:02 | sorphin | ok.. you lost me ;p |
| 06:30:20 | sorphin | is gonna reflash a tuxscreen (not a LART) |
| 06:30:40 | as_ | It essentially is a LART. |
| 06:30:58 | sorphin | this thing uses pin 13, not 11.. |
| 06:31:04 | sorphin | so it'll have to be changed for that.. |
| 06:31:05 | as_ | Umm. |
| 06:32:11 | sorphin | i meant this board uses pin 13, the sw (and the jtag tim sells) uses pin 11 |
| 06:32:29 | as_ | So does the LART It think. |
| 06:32:45 | sorphin | right |
| 06:32:56 | sorphin | i was just saying i'll have to alter the board layout for that |
| 06:33:40 | as_ | Just alter the wire you solder in. |
| 06:36:14 | as_ | I seem to recall the lart schematic is wired very oddly to the LPT port. |
| 06:36:38 | sorphin | howso? |
| 06:36:55 | sorphin | it's using a normal 25 pin connector |
| 06:37:02 | sorphin | soldered onto the edge of the board |
| 06:38:03 | as_ | I bilive the cable to the lart schematic isnt 1:1. |
| 06:38:42 | sorphin | well |
| 06:38:54 | sorphin | that's where the tux and lart differ anways |
| 06:38:56 | sorphin | +y |
| 06:39:27 | as_ | They dont differ at all. |
| 06:39:31 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:39:40 | sorphin | mini flood: |
| 06:39:43 | as_ | The schematic looks wrong. |
| 06:39:50 | sorphin | Signal Header Dongle DB-25 |
| 06:39:50 | sorphin | ------ ------ ------ ----- |
| 06:39:50 | sorphin | GND 1h 1d - |
| 06:39:50 | sorphin | nRESET 3h<---| |
| 06:39:50 | sorphin | nTRST 6h<---| |
| 06:39:51 | sorphin | TDO 7h 5d 11 |
| 06:39:53 | sorphin | TDI 8h 4d 3 |
| 06:39:55 | sorphin | TCK 9h 3d 2 |
| 06:39:57 | sorphin | TMS 10h 2d 4 |
| 06:39:59 | sorphin | VCC 3.3v 12h 6d - |
| 06:40:01 | sorphin | GND 13h 8d - |
| 06:42:01 | sorphin | they do differ, atleast in the sense that the tux has extra pins on the board, so you can't plug straight from dongle to tux w/o a bastard cable |
| 06:42:20 | sorphin | as for differing in any other ways, i dunno, cuz i've never seen or used a "LART" |
| 06:43:00 | as_ | The LART connector is different but the connectiion to the LPT port doesnt. |
| 06:43:58 | sorphin | that stupid cable is annoying, i might just wire it that way on the board, and skip the cable |
| 06:47:15 | as_ | I think the LART cable is wired Odd then even, Russ said that was common. |
| 06:47:35 | as_ | I thought it was a mistake in the schematic. |
| 06:47:57 | sorphin | ? |
| 06:49:03 | as_ | Of the LART interface. |
| 06:49:59 | sorphin | this board you had me grab |
| 06:50:03 | sorphin | has Vlad all over it ;p |
| 06:50:15 | as_ | Yes, clever chap Vlad. |
| 06:50:31 | as_ | Why do you mention it? |
| 06:50:49 | sorphin | <as_> Ok, cool, so long as that didnt come from the Vlad schematic, it will be |
| 06:50:49 | sorphin | right. |
| 06:51:51 | as_ | The pinout for connecting it to the LPT port. |
| 06:52:38 | sorphin | the pinout i'm using is the one i pasted above |
| 06:52:47 | sorphin | TDO goes to BUSY (pin 11) |
| 06:53:01 | sorphin | didn't even look at where pin 13 goes to on an LPT port |
| 06:53:15 | sorphin | but either way, that wouldn't be right w/ the jflash sw anyways (where it looks) |
| 06:53:31 | as_ | Pin 11 sounds right. |
| 06:54:06 | sorphin | is it me |
| 06:54:08 | sorphin | or does THIS board |
| 06:54:16 | sorphin | think you're getting 3.3v from an outside source? |
| 06:54:25 | as_ | Yes, it does. |
| 06:54:31 | sorphin | that has to be changed too then |
| 06:55:01 | sorphin | cuz it so happens that the tux screen has a 3.3v lead on the jtag connector that the board tim sells uses |
| 06:55:32 | as_ | Just wire that in then. |
| 06:55:47 | sorphin | what i'm tryign to do now.. |
| 06:55:50 | as_ | I use 3.3v from a seperate connector on my sat box. |
| 06:55:56 | sorphin | well |
| 06:56:00 | sorphin | this is for a tux so... |
| 06:56:03 | sorphin | :) |
| 06:56:51 | sorphin | hmmmm |
| 06:56:58 | sorphin | the pinout on that 20 pin conn |
| 06:58:17 | as_ | Doesnt matter, trace the signals through the buffer. |
| 06:58:29 | sorphin | now, you've used this on a _tuxscreen_ right? :P |
| 06:58:38 | sorphin | yeah, i'll grab the data sheet.. |
| 06:58:50 | as_ | No, I havnt ;] |
| 06:58:56 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:59:05 | sorphin | you had me under the impression you had ;p |
| 06:59:05 | as_ | I wrote my own software for my sat box though. |
| 06:59:20 | as_ | No, I said I hadnt at the start. |
| 07:00:26 | sorphin | you said it in a round about way then.. :P |
| 07:01:45 | sorphin | heh, cute, someone has an ascii pinout for it |
| 07:01:55 | as_ | <sorphin> ping (to anyone that's done the jtag) |
| 07:01:56 | as_ | <as2> Not me, but if youve a question, youd be better stating it ;] |
| 07:02:12 | as_ | I'm sorry if I didnt make it clear, but I thought I had. |
| 07:02:27 | sorphin | ah well |
| 07:02:56 | as_ | Theres no reason it wont work if you trace the wires through the buffer. |
| 07:03:07 | sorphin | ok ,this ascii pintout ain't gonna cut it |
| 07:03:14 | as_ | Having said that, if your getting nothing with a direct connection there might be a problem. |
| 07:03:43 | as_ | Umm. |
| 07:03:44 | as_ | http://www.worex.ee/jtag.htm |
| 07:03:58 | as_ | I should have showed you that if there isnt a schematic in the file. |
| 07:04:21 | as_ | Frell, there isnt, my bad. |
| 07:04:26 | sorphin | :) |
| 07:06:09 | sorphin | wonder if i could just do this on my protoboard ;p |
| 07:07:48 | as_ | These designs arnt intended to be adaptable. |
| 07:08:06 | sorphin | well, its gonna be adapted ;) |
| 07:08:08 | as_ | They expect people using it to be idiot hackers. |
| 07:08:15 | as_ | I adapted it too :] |
| 07:08:23 | sorphin | i'm gonna proto it |
| 07:08:30 | sorphin | be much easier than trying to make the damn board |
| 07:08:34 | as_ | I needed to use it for a box it wasnt designed for. |
| 07:08:54 | sorphin | just glad i *have* this protoboard :) |
| 07:08:58 | sorphin | been very useful |
| 07:09:07 | as_ | I dont have one. |
| 07:09:12 | sorphin | well |
| 07:09:26 | sorphin | this was part of the shit i got when i went through my degree :) |
| 07:09:55 | sorphin | is an EE, just a bit rusty (and never did jtag in there ;p ) |
| 07:10:16 | as_ | I'm an EE too. They didnt give me a protoboard. |
| 07:10:23 | as_ | Cheepscate blasted uni. |
| 07:10:29 | sorphin | i didn't go to a uni ;) |
| 07:10:34 | sorphin | went to ITT Tech ;p |
| 07:10:43 | sorphin | no unnecessary classes |
| 07:10:51 | sorphin | just stuff for the degree |
| 07:10:53 | sorphin | made life easier |
| 07:10:56 | as_ | That doesnt make me feel better ;] |
| 07:11:21 | sorphin | live and learn, eh? |
| 07:11:36 | as_ | Well. Live at any rate. |
| 07:13:09 | sorphin | where exactly are you? (i know you're in the uk).. |
| 07:13:27 | as_ | Midlands. |
| 07:13:31 | sorphin | ahh |
| 07:17:29 | sorphin | only covered london area, reading, tadley, and cambridge |
| 07:19:53 | sorphin | hmm |
| 07:20:04 | sorphin | you use 5 signals.. |
| 07:21:10 | as_ | You dont need nTrst. |
| 07:21:29 | sorphin | should i just wire it to nRESET like they "suggest" ? |
| 07:22:02 | as_ | If they say so, then yes. |
| 07:22:20 | sorphin | well... they say: |
| 07:22:53 | sorphin | Notice that 7d is the clipped pin in the pictures above. It is mapped to |
| 07:22:53 | sorphin | nTRST on the LART but not connected on the JTAG dongle. Notice also the |
| 07:22:53 | sorphin | loop on the header end between 3h and 6h. 2h, 4h, 5h, 11h and 7d are |
| 07:22:53 | sorphin | unconnected. |
| 07:23:17 | as_ | Probably wont make a lot of difference I think the flasher uses boundry scan. |
| 07:23:27 | sorphin | 3 and 6 are nRESET and nTRST respectively |
| 07:23:38 | as_ | Thats a little like necromancy. |
| 07:23:43 | sorphin | one thing that the LART page says |
| 07:23:54 | sorphin | is that if you get the error i get (aka the dongle don't work) |
| 07:24:09 | sorphin | to tie nTRST high (w/ a 100ohm) |
| 07:24:27 | as_ | Ahh, now that could be a reason. |
| 07:26:42 | sorphin | ? |
| 07:27:38 | as_ | If its low, that would stop it doing anything. |
| 07:30:55 | sorphin | yeah |
| 07:31:26 | sorphin | wonders if he has a 74244 in all the chips i have from school, i should check.. heh |
| 07:31:54 | sorphin | btw, thanks for the help.. |
| 07:32:11 | as_ | Thats np. |
| 07:32:20 | as_ | Hoping to learn from other peoples mistakes ;] |
| 07:32:23 | sorphin | if i ever make it back over |
| 07:32:31 | sorphin | i'll hit the midlands and buy you a pint |
| 07:32:41 | as_ | Do that, haha. |
| 07:33:23 | sorphin | maybe i'll be lucky and all the lasses will still be obsessed w/ those nice black pants *grin* |
| 07:46:14 | sorphin | curses.. stupid gimp.. |
| 08:02:42 | as_ | This is a very impressive board for 1998. |
| 08:03:16 | sorphin | ? |
| 08:03:29 | as_ | Looking at the tux main board. |
| 08:03:36 | sorphin | ahh |
| 08:03:53 | sorphin | i'm busy watching gimp keep hanging right when i'm done w/ the revised schem |
| 08:04:14 | sorphin | and hanging parts of X in the process till i kill it (gimp) |
| 08:18:43 | as2 | sophin, how much was your dtivo? |
| 08:18:56 | sorphin | back when i got it, $99 |
| 08:19:02 | as2 | Struth. |
| 08:19:11 | sorphin | ? |
| 08:19:21 | as2 | Thats an amazing amount of technology for 99 dollers. |
| 08:19:31 | sorphin | well, they were disconn'ing it |
| 08:19:36 | as2 | 2 HD's, 2 sti5505's. |
| 08:19:47 | sorphin | not necessarily 2 HDs |
| 08:19:52 | as2 | Ahh. |
| 08:19:59 | warewolf | heh |
| 08:20:06 | warewolf | sees someone else is a farscape fan |
| 08:20:07 | as2 | Any idea if all the dtivos have 2 sti5505's? |
| 08:20:14 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:20:17 | sorphin | they do |
| 08:20:27 | sorphin | warewolf: well, not everyone has taste ;p |
| 08:20:30 | as2 | Wow. I think I must get myself one. |
| 08:20:49 | as2 | Hmm, what gave it away, 'Frell'? |
| 08:20:52 | warewolf | yep. |
| 08:20:57 | sorphin | as_: well, they're disconned (the philips ones) |
| 08:20:58 | warewolf | farscape++ |
| 08:21:05 | sorphin | farscape-- :P |
| 08:21:10 | as2 | Damn. And Id have got away with it if it hasnt have been for you americans. |
| 08:21:28 | sorphin | now now you pommie |
| 08:21:34 | warewolf | heh |
| 08:21:49 | as2 | Farscape started badly and got better. |
| 08:22:06 | warewolf | the latest (serious) episdes have made my mind spin |
| 08:22:11 | sorphin | watches rocky horror on AMC again.. |
| 08:22:24 | as2 | Season 3? |
| 08:22:24 | warewolf | aside from the "game" one with the hard southern lisping accent |
| 08:22:26 | warewolf | yeah |
| 08:22:34 | warewolf | just started a few months ago here |
| 08:22:37 | sorphin | oh goodie, here we go again, another farscape channel ;p |
| 08:22:38 | as2 | Ive not seen them all yet. |
| 08:22:51 | warewolf | if you ever get around to it, buy the dvds |
| 08:22:59 | warewolf | the video and audio quality is spectacular |
| 08:23:01 | warewolf | DD 5.1 audio |
| 08:23:01 | as2 | I didnt know it was on dvd. |
| 08:23:04 | warewolf | yep. |
| 08:23:07 | warewolf | amazon has 'em |
| 08:23:13 | warewolf | but they're _expensive_ |
| 08:23:15 | as2 | Hmmf, NTSC though, right? |
| 08:23:23 | warewolf | the ones I got were, yes. |
| 08:23:28 | warewolf | it might be in pal, dunno |
| 08:23:28 | sorphin | sighs |
| 08:23:40 | warewolf | try amazon.com.uk stuffs |
| 08:23:56 | as2 | I'll look later, I'm in sat hack mode. |
| 08:24:05 | warewolf | heh |
| 08:24:14 | as2 | Can dtivo record 2 streams at once? |
| 08:24:17 | sorphin | as_: if you'd caught me when i still had 6 to sell off (and i did) |
| 08:24:18 | warewolf | yes |
| 08:24:21 | sorphin | i coulda sold ya one |
| 08:24:22 | warewolf | they have two tuners |
| 08:24:25 | as2 | Doh. |
| 08:24:28 | sorphin | :P |
| 08:24:36 | sorphin | can't record 2 at once |
| 08:24:37 | as2 | Sky+ has 2 tuners, wont record 2 channels. |
| 08:24:40 | sorphin | it records 1 |
| 08:24:46 | sorphin | and can play the other |
| 08:24:48 | as2 | Ahh, same as sky+ thrn. |
| 08:25:01 | warewolf | dan- what? you .. wait aminute, no way |
| 08:25:05 | as2 | DTivo needs to decrypt 2 channels at the same time. |
| 08:25:11 | sorphin | yup |
| 08:25:21 | sorphin | so explains the 2 5505s |
| 08:25:29 | as2 | Not quite. |
| 08:25:30 | warewolf | does the video you're watching still go to the live buffer on disk or not? |
| 08:25:41 | sorphin | 2 tuners |
| 08:25:45 | warewolf | or does it get passed directly to the outputs? |
| 08:25:50 | as2 | 5505's can decrypt 8 streams at the same time, 1 would be enough. |
| 08:26:08 | sorphin | true |
| 08:26:25 | as2 | We can 'live pause' the stream we are watching while it records another. |
| 08:26:37 | sorphin | same here |
| 08:26:46 | as2 | A single channel would need 4 streams. |
| 08:26:54 | as2 | Oh. |
| 08:27:07 | as2 | But not in your country I think, sound isnt scrambled on your system I think. |
| 08:27:23 | as2 | I'm not sure if it is on ours. I think it is. |
| 08:27:31 | sorphin | i think the sky+ box may be a tivo device ;p |
| 08:27:39 | sorphin | or damn similar |
| 08:27:41 | as2 | It isnt :/ |
| 08:27:47 | as2 | Not even slightly :/ |
| 08:27:57 | warewolf | dan- sky+ is _big_ |
| 08:28:02 | as2 | Bloody NEC chipset. |
| 08:28:05 | warewolf | they're like the DTV of the US |
| 08:28:18 | sorphin | ok, similar concept then |
| 08:28:27 | as2 | USes a mips core CPU and NEC wont release any info about it. |
| 08:28:31 | sorphin | nod |
| 08:28:42 | sorphin | well, the series 2 tivo uses a mips for a proc |
| 08:29:00 | as2 | takes an interest. |
| 08:29:05 | as2 | What chip, any idea? |
| 08:29:07 | sorphin | and a broadcom |
| 08:29:08 | sorphin | yup |
| 08:29:10 | sorphin | 5432 |
| 08:29:26 | sorphin | faster than my I2 |
| 08:29:27 | as2 | Hmm, by who, not NEC then. |
| 08:29:41 | sorphin | not quite sure actually |
| 08:29:59 | sorphin | cpu : MIPS |
| 08:29:59 | sorphin | cpu model : R5432 V3.0 |
| 08:30:08 | sorphin | the chip is heatsinked |
| 08:30:14 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 08:30:26 | sorphin | can't even get a blade under it |
| 08:30:29 | as2 | BGA packge or QFP? |
| 08:30:49 | sorphin | actually, not sure.. it's right next to nother chip.. |
| 08:30:50 | warewolf | bga |
| 08:30:55 | sorphin | one is a bga one is qfp |
| 08:30:59 | warewolf | look at the bottom of the mobo |
| 08:31:00 | sorphin | both are sinked |
| 08:31:03 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 08:31:06 | warewolf | iirc (lemme find my pics) it was bga |
| 08:32:15 | as2 | The chip in this is a upd61032. |
| 08:32:27 | as2 | I cant even get hold of a pinout. |
| 08:32:39 | warewolf | yeah, the mips core is bga |
| 08:32:43 | sorphin | nod |
| 08:33:41 | as2 | Id kill for a pinout of that one. |
| 08:34:48 | as2 | Which a pinout I could probably work out the jtag info to read the damn flash. |
| 08:35:04 | sorphin | yeah |
| 08:35:43 | sorphin | well, the stuff thermal compound they use |
| 08:35:49 | sorphin | adheres the sink to the chip.. |
| 08:39:14 | sorphin | ah well, bed time here.. 4:44am |
| 08:39:55 | as2 | Nite then. |
| 11:52:22 | warewolf | ahha |
| 12:19:07 | Harlekin | huhu |
| 12:19:12 | Harlekin | Morn: ping |
| 12:19:14 | Harlekin | Morn: ping |
| 12:19:49 | Harlekin | how do i mount a cf via cf adapter in an tuxscreen |
| 12:21:20 | Harlekin | looks like tuxscreen does not have a vfat module |
| 12:22:25 | Harlekin | anybody awake? |
| 12:48:23 | legodude | I am |
| 12:48:31 | Harlekin | ah |
| 12:48:37 | Harlekin | legodude: hi, youre running a tuxscreen? |
| 12:48:42 | legodude | ja |
| 12:48:44 | Harlekin | ah |
| 12:48:45 | Harlekin | german |
| 12:48:50 | legodude | nope |
| 12:49:03 | Harlekin | k |
| 12:49:05 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 12:49:17 | Harlekin | i ahve latest blob on now |
| 12:49:26 | Harlekin | and the 501 root image |
| 12:49:31 | Harlekin | with matchbox etc |
| 12:49:41 | Harlekin | since the otherone did not have any modules |
| 12:49:55 | Harlekin | legodude: now i wanted to mount a cf card |
| 12:50:00 | legodude | hrm |
| 12:50:08 | legodude | I can't really help you |
| 12:50:10 | Harlekin | legodude: so i first tried to load vfat and ide_cd modules |
| 12:50:15 | legodude | other than to say look in the kernel config |
| 12:50:18 | legodude | and see if it's supported |
| 12:50:23 | Harlekin | kernel oops |
| 12:50:41 | Harlekin | /etc/pcmcia # modprobe ide_cs |
| 12:50:41 | Harlekin | pc : [<4002fc3c>] lr : [<00000000>] Not tainted |
| 12:50:41 | Harlekin | sp : bfffebd0 ip : 00000000 fp : bfffebdc |
| 12:50:41 | Harlekin | r10: 0000003b r9 : 00074000 r8 : 00076fd0 |
| 12:50:41 | Harlekin | r7 : bfffec21 r6 : bfffec23 r5 : 00000000 r4 : fffffffe |
| 12:50:43 | Harlekin | r3 : 00000000 r2 : fffffffe r1 : bfffec23 r0 : 00000000 |
| 12:50:46 | Harlekin | Flags: nZCv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user |
| 12:50:48 | Harlekin | Control: D013F17F Table: D013F17F DAC: 00000015 |
| 12:50:51 | Harlekin | Segmentation fault |
| 12:51:09 | legodude | ouch |
| 12:51:12 | legodude | I have no idea |
| 12:51:19 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:51:23 | legodude | you'll have to ask the brighter minds in here |
| 12:51:26 | Harlekin | which root image are you using? |
| 12:52:13 | legodude | I just grabbed the newest one from the downloads section of wiki |
| 12:52:19 | legodude | the one with TinyX |
| 12:52:24 | Harlekin | from the v06 dir |
| 12:52:28 | legodude | I've not yet had time to grab the cvs sources |
| 12:52:30 | legodude | ya |
| 12:52:59 | Harlekin | 20020501.jffs2 |
| 12:53:01 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:53:11 | Harlekin | what happens if you try modprobe vfat? |
| 12:53:20 | legodude | one sec |
| 12:53:24 | legodude | I gotta boot it |
| 12:54:31 | legodude | segfault |
| 12:55:52 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:55:55 | Harlekin | so for you too |
| 12:56:01 | Harlekin | what do you run on it? |
| 12:56:11 | Harlekin | get the stuff via ppp over seriell? |
| 12:56:15 | Harlekin | or via network card? |
| 12:56:21 | legodude | network card |
| 12:56:26 | legodude | I modified it for 5f |
| 12:56:29 | legodude | 5v |
| 12:56:35 | FinPin | does anyone know the channel for linux newbies? |
| 12:56:43 | legodude | #linux? |
| 12:56:44 | Harlekin | legodude: hmm |
| 12:58:12 | Harlekin | riker is away right at the wrong time |
| 12:58:15 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 12:58:21 | legodude | hehe |
| 12:58:26 | legodude | other people here know lots too |
| 12:58:39 | legodude | I would try and pull the latest stuff from cvs |
| 12:58:45 | legodude | compile that and see what you get |
| 12:59:09 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 12:59:13 | Harlekin | kernel compile |
| 13:04:49 | Harlekin | hey |
| 13:04:55 | Harlekin | they forgot the del key on the keyboard |
| 13:05:09 | legodude | haha |
| 13:06:07 | legodude | numlock is useless too |
| 13:06:35 | Harlekin | need reassignment .-) |
| 13:36:20 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 13:36:28 | Harlekin | modprobe is segfaulting |
| 13:36:32 | Harlekin | not the module |
| 13:36:35 | Harlekin | insmod works |
| 13:36:38 | Harlekin | vfat loaded |
| 13:36:41 | Harlekin | ide-cs too |
| 13:37:02 | Harlekin | but it does not appear unter /proc/partitions |
| 14:06:48 | Harlekin | getting closer |
| 14:07:08 | file | perks up |
| 14:07:09 | file | mmm? |
| 14:08:06 | Harlekin | ? |
| 14:08:29 | file | nothing... |
| 14:10:22 | Harlekin | any idea how to mount a jffs via loop? |
| 14:11:24 | file | nope |
| 14:23:31 | legodude | is jiffs a special file? |
| 14:23:47 | legodude | I know how to loopback mount things |
| 14:24:15 | legodude | Harlekin: you german? |
| 14:24:21 | legodude | "unter"? |
| 14:25:48 | Harlekin | y |
| 14:26:05 | Harlekin | unter? |
| 14:26:05 | legodude | ja? |
| 14:26:13 | legodude | that's german for under |
| 14:26:25 | legodude | so the typo works :P |
| 14:26:36 | legodude | do you know what kind of file jiffs is? |
| 14:26:56 | Harlekin | no |
| 14:27:04 | Harlekin | maybe not block device |
| 15:13:45 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 15:13:50 | Harlekin | new problem |
| 15:14:04 | Harlekin | when i try it execute a binary |
| 15:14:05 | Harlekin | i get |
| 15:14:06 | Harlekin | No such file or directory |
| 15:17:49 | legodude | this just magically occur? |
| 15:17:56 | legodude | any file? |
| 15:19:05 | file | somebody call? |
| 15:19:39 | Harlekin | its a file on a compact flash |
| 15:19:42 | Harlekin | all bins on there |
| 15:19:47 | legodude | hrm |
| 15:19:48 | Harlekin | i took them from familiar |
| 16:06:58 | scan[LANparty] | hiya |
| 16:28:18 | scan[LANparty] | is away: playing more Unreal Tournament |
| 16:30:13 | legodude | ooh |
| 16:30:15 | legodude | great game |
| 16:31:52 | Suran | hi |
| 16:32:07 | legodude | heya Suran |
| 16:32:55 | Suran | I'm trying to get pcmcia going (with a CF-card+adapter) since yesterday and am stuck :( . |
| 16:33:27 | legodude | howso? |
| 16:34:10 | Suran | It does not detect that any card is inserted. I did the simple 5V-mod and the 3 lines in the driver to go with it but that did not change a thing. |
| 16:34:29 | legodude | hrm |
| 16:34:34 | legodude | does CF work at 5v? |
| 16:34:54 | Suran | modules get loaded, cardmngr and cardctl too. CF works at 5V, yes. I tested it with a Laptop. |
| 16:34:54 | legodude | Harlekin got his CF card to mount |
| 16:35:01 | legodude | so you might try asking him |
| 16:35:13 | Suran | I'll ask, thanks. |
| 16:35:25 | Suran | \help |
| 16:35:29 | Suran | sorry |
| 16:35:57 | Harlekin | y |
| 16:35:59 | Harlekin | mounas |
| 16:35:59 | Suran | ircII sucks ;) |
| 16:36:07 | Harlekin | bug cannot execute anything from it |
| 16:36:31 | Suran | would not matter, I just need some space. |
| 16:36:45 | Harlekin | insmod all kinds off modules |
| 16:36:54 | Harlekin | _before_ inserting the cf |
| 16:37:15 | Suran | did so, pcmcia_core, ds, sa110_cs, ide, ide_cs |
| 16:37:27 | legodude | vfat? |
| 16:37:37 | Harlekin | that to |
| 16:37:43 | Harlekin | ide_cs? |
| 16:37:48 | Harlekin | was ide-cs ehere |
| 16:37:58 | Harlekin | and the mod and probe-mod stuff |
| 16:38:15 | Suran | I did not have vfat there, just a seck, I'll try... |
| 16:38:52 | Suran | nope |
| 16:39:34 | legodude | do you have any other cards you can test the pc card slots with? |
| 16:39:35 | Suran | everything looks like on the Ipaq (with pcmcia-sleve), should work. |
| 16:39:54 | Suran | yes, I have, no reaction either. |
| 16:42:12 | file | returns |
| 16:43:23 | Suran | I fear there meight be a hardware problem but I don't know what I could test to find out more. |
| 16:44:40 | legodude | hates solaris 9 |
| 16:45:11 | file | codes |
| 16:46:22 | Suran | what's wrong with 9? I used to use 2.6 over here on x86. |
| 16:46:45 | kergoth | ugh solaris x86 sucks. |
| 16:46:53 | legodude | solaris x86 ain't too bad |
| 16:46:56 | legodude | 9 just has problems |
| 16:47:03 | legodude | like gcc does not like it at all |
| 16:47:18 | Harlekin | id really like to know why it cannot execute the bins |
| 16:47:21 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 16:47:38 | Suran | Any helpfull messages? |
| 16:47:53 | Harlekin | No such file or directory |
| 16:48:00 | Harlekin | very helpfull..... |
| 16:48:03 | Suran | btw: is it normal to get nothing in /var/log/messages on the last buildroot? |
| 16:48:09 | legodude | can you copy it to /tmp Harlekin? |
| 16:48:16 | legodude | the bin |
| 16:48:20 | legodude | and then run it? |
| 16:48:31 | Suran | try to look if all the libs are there. |
| 16:48:42 | Suran | If not with anything else with a hexdump. |
| 16:52:17 | Suran | I just got pcmcia to run. It rebooted after I inserted a card into the board-side slot (maybe a short with the metal-case of the card) and now it works. |
| 16:52:37 | Suran | a miracle. *g* |
| 16:53:27 | Suran | found any missing libs? some are given with a path in the binary, they produce a "file not found". |
| 16:53:38 | Harlekin | legodude: same prob there |
| 16:53:59 | Harlekin | legodude: hmm, maybe its a missing lib and tuxscreen is just to stupid to point that out |
| 16:54:14 | Suran | Not tuxscreen, LD! |
| 16:54:16 | Harlekin | instead of saying "cannot find libxxxx.so" |
| 16:54:23 | Harlekin | ist just says file not found |
| 16:54:40 | Suran | I had that a couple of times. Took me a syscall-trace to find it. |
| 17:07:42 | Suran | tux works with CF but reboots when I get the wlan-card out or in. It needs 5V,0V,0V. :( Will have to see.... |
| 17:07:47 | Suran | how to do a ctrl+alt+del with the IR-keyboard? I can't find the del. |
| 18:08:11 | ][N-Flux | is away: screaming... |
| 23:06:35 | sorphin | as_: cool |
| 23:06:39 | sorphin | just who i was looking for |
| 23:06:40 | sorphin | grins |
| 23:06:43 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 23:06:48 | legodude | heya |
| 23:06:58 | as_ | Haha, should I be cowering. |
| 23:07:37 | sorphin | as_: trying straight wire again (and have the pull up resistor on nTRST this time), tried changing the port addr, (and radio smack no longer has buffers so that's why i'm trying straight wire again)... |
| 23:07:51 | sorphin | TDO never toggles |
| 23:08:03 | as_ | Hmm. |
| 23:08:24 | sorphin | and i can (atleast manually) toggle the data lines |
| 23:08:44 | sorphin | this flash program is a big pile of mess and a 1/2 |
| 23:09:02 | as_ | The other lines toggle during the read ID attempt? |
| 23:09:10 | sorphin | lemme check em |
| 23:10:42 | sorphin | nada |
| 23:11:19 | as_ | Then the problem isnt with the tux. |
| 23:11:31 | as_ | Which is a good sign. |
| 23:12:04 | legodude | what are you guys trying to do? |
| 23:12:08 | as_ | You need to work out why the program isnt talking to the port. |
| 23:12:09 | sorphin | and the port is good, cuz i just goggled all 3 data lines |
| 23:12:12 | sorphin | and saw them toggle |
| 23:13:14 | sorphin | as_: think i should be running one of the signal grounds from the PP to one of the gnd's on the tux? |
| 23:13:23 | as_ | lego, he bricked his tux, hes trying to use jtag to fix it. |
| 23:13:29 | legodude | ahso |
| 23:13:36 | as_ | Oh yes, absolutly. |
| 23:14:19 | sorphin | better do that then ;p |
| 23:15:01 | sorphin | the fact that i see nothing toggle on the data lines tho w/ this flash program, makes me suspicious of the program |
| 23:19:46 | as_ | I'm not sure what to suggest as I havnt used the program. |
| 23:20:16 | sorphin | i've written a flasher before, just never out a port ;p |
| 23:20:31 | sorphin | and the code for this thing.. was ported from windows, then modified, then modded more |
| 23:20:54 | as_ | Yeah, intended for another chip too. |
| 23:20:58 | Harlekin | tuxscreen need a fresher busybox |
| 23:21:32 | legodude | why Harlekin? |
| 23:22:05 | Harlekin | we worked hard on busybox for ipaq |
| 23:22:07 | as_ | Is there a windows/DOS version you could try? |
| 23:22:19 | Harlekin | tuxscreen could benefit form that changes to |
| 23:22:53 | Harlekin | much advanced ash (its more a bash then an ash), modprobe much more functional, and many more |
| 23:23:08 | legodude | ahso |
| 23:24:35 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:24:42 | sorphin | so compile your own? ;p |
| 23:25:03 | sorphin | as_: hmm? |
| 23:25:23 | Harlekin | commited back to bb cvs |
| 23:27:13 | as_ | I dont yet use linux, so I dont know what to suggest. |
| 23:27:49 | sorphin | windows user ? |
| 23:27:59 | as_ | Yes. |
| 23:28:04 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:28:23 | as_ | Flashing through bountry scan is very different from the normal method. You take over control of the pins of the chip zombie style, and toggle the pins by loading in the data serially. |
| 23:28:36 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:29:00 | sorphin | well, the people that know, generally aren't here, or don't talk it seems ;p |
| 23:29:23 | as_ | Not many people use jtag. |
| 23:29:43 | as_ | Some of the dev team are usually here, but havnt seen them for a few days. |
| 23:57:53 | sorphin | whaoo |
| 23:57:59 | sorphin | looks like the jtag sees the phone |
| 23:58:19 | sorphin | Storing hex address e40, 0.09% -> 3648 of 4194304 complete. |
| 23:58:19 | sorphin | Storing hex address 1e10, 0.18% -> 7696 of 4194304 complete. |
| 23:58:19 | sorphin | Storing hex address 2ddc, 0.28% -> 11740 of 4194304 complete. |
| 23:58:22 | sorphin | :) |
| 23:58:27 | as_ | Aha, cool. |
| 23:58:33 | as_ | Does it give an ID for it? |
| 23:58:36 | sorphin | that ground may have helped |
| 23:59:05 | sorphin | no |
| 23:59:12 | sorphin | well, not this way.. |
| 23:59:15 | sorphin | gimme a few |