| 00:58:41 | FinPin | to anyone's knowledge is there a linux newbie's room for general dumb questions? |
| 01:00:17 | BZFlag | FinPin: #kernelnewbies for kernel hacking. #LinuxHelp (iirc) for general linux stuff. |
| 01:12:47 | FinPin | thanks BZ |
| 02:33:24 | fontenot | I dont suppose there's an easy way to get buildroot-tux to use 2 procs ? |
| 02:56:12 | BZFlag | fontenot: make -j ? |
| 03:01:28 | fontenot | BZFlag: I tried modifying some of the foo.mk, but it bombed out |
| 03:01:36 | fontenot | some things to not build properly in paralel |
| 03:01:41 | fontenot | looks like uclibcis one of them |
| 03:02:25 | fontenot | BZFlag: I'm trying to stress me new box :-D |
| 03:02:37 | fontenot | tho I can already tell I need better cpu cooling |
| 03:03:40 | fontenot | stock AMD HSF do not cut it |
| 03:10:17 | BZFlag | fontenot: just check it out twice and build twice? |
| 03:10:37 | fontenot | BZFlag: lol, that would work |
| 03:10:45 | BZFlag | synlink the sources directories. ;-) |
| 03:11:05 | fontenot | yeah... good idea |
| 03:11:23 | fontenot | assuming it doesnt have to download anything |
| 03:11:37 | fontenot | could get tricky otherwise |
| 03:12:42 | fontenot | if i wasnt feeling braindead, I would try to get tinyx compiling again |
| 03:46:01 | BZFlag | huh? I built it just a few weeks ago in buildroot-tux |
| 03:49:52 | fontenot | BZFlag: I mentioned it to andersee a couple of days ago and he agreed that stuff had moved around (like the compilers in the buildroot) |
| 03:50:33 | fontenot | let me try again |
| 03:52:11 | fontenot | /bin/sh: /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/stage/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 03:52:33 | fontenot | tinyx is affected by that sort of thing because it's configured with its own config files |
| 03:53:34 | BZFlag | ah |
| 03:54:14 | fontenot | hopefully it will be a simple search and replace in the x conf files |
| 05:29:24 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Sat Jul 20 00:38:07 2002] |
| 05:29:24 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 09:34:49 | | prpplague was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 18 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: later [Mon Jul 22 05:16:11 2002] |
| 09:34:49 | sjm | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 09:35:37 | | cosmicpenguin was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 12 hours, 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: gecko based web browers [Fri Jul 19 22:27:28 2002] |
| 09:35:37 | sjm | ibot: seen cosmicpenguin |
| 11:19:52 | file | hi GPSFan |
| 11:20:17 | GPSFan | morning file: you are up earily... |
| 11:20:27 | file | 9:25am |
| 11:20:30 | file | yes your right... |
| 11:20:40 | file | the construction on my road woke me up |
| 11:21:41 | GPSFan | where in ca are you? 9:25 would be Atlantic TZ |
| 11:22:01 | file | New Brunswick |
| 11:22:11 | file | yawns |
| 11:22:29 | GPSFan | ah, somehow I thought you were in BC. |
| 11:22:38 | file | everybody does but I'm not |
| 11:23:37 | file | waiting for 1pm I am... I want my mail |
| 13:24:18 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 13:50:23 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hello sir |
| 13:50:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: are you knowledgeable on bluetooth ? |
| 14:09:52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I am in fact - I worked on a bluetooh solution a few months ago |
| 14:12:08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, i need to get with ya sometime soon to discuss some mobile gui stuff |
| 14:12:43 | scan[ibook] | prpplague: going to give CosmicPenguin free hardware too? ;) |
| 14:13:33 | prpplague | scan[ibook]: i'm sure CosmicPenguin has plenty on hardward |
| 14:14:02 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
| 14:14:23 | sjhill | good morning prpplague |
| 14:19:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sounds good to me |
| 14:20:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you know much about bcsp ? mode and cf bluetooth cards ? |
| 14:20:34 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: I've got so much hardware in my office - I have two tables and a desk, and I can't remember what color they are |
| 14:21:31 | scan[ibook] | CosmicPenguin: haha |
| 14:21:56 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I never used bcsp - but I understand the concept. |
| 14:23:02 | scan[ibook] | puts lots of hot sauce on the chili.. must start numbing his taste buds now to prepare for his return to the dorms in late august |
| 14:26:15 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I got this wierd cheap unbranded card at the weekend. It turns out apparently it does bcsp rather than uart ( make sense? ) , so I need to find a bcsp driver /me thinks ... |
| 14:26:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: according to Marcel Hotmann's Bluetooth page: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/bcsp.html |
| 14:27:27 | CosmicPenguin | The bscp driver is "in progress" |
| 14:28:53 | prpplague | doh |
| 14:29:05 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah I found that one and mailed the guy |
| 14:29:05 | prpplague | mallum: 75 quid down the loo |
| 14:29:26 | mallum | prpplague: well I sure it will work eventually |
| 14:29:32 | mallum | prpplague: no rush for it |
| 14:29:39 | prpplague | mallum: lol, jk around |
| 14:29:48 | mallum | prpplague: and in the mean time I can by another MUAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:32:20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: If you are looking for a card - try the Anycom cards, they work great. |
| 14:33:04 | CosmicPenguin | I wrote the inital driver for them, but the stupid company that owns the hardware design wouldn't release the code, so the OEM trumped me and release their drivers first |
| 14:33:17 | scan[ibook] | wonders what people are actually using bluetooth for |
| 14:33:46 | CosmicPenguin | If life ever falls in to place, and I get my tuxscreen working, I'll get one of my surplus cards here working on it - I had it working on the Ipaq and it was wicked cool |
| 14:34:11 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: For low power local wireless it works great - for example, it would fit in perfectly with the Tuxphone |
| 14:35:06 | scan[ibook] | does bluetooth natively use TCP/IP, or something else? |
| 14:38:07 | CosmicPenguin | scan[ibook]: Bluetooth is essentially wireless serial |
| 14:38:14 | CosmicPenguin | So for TCP/IP you fire up a PPP connection |
| 14:39:20 | scan[ibook] | will have to try out bluetooth sometime.. sounds useful for Tuxscreen and Zaurus :) |
| 14:41:11 | scan[ibook] | must have woken up kergoth by mentioning the Zaurus |
| 14:41:25 | kergoth | hah, i'm an hour late for work today.. |
| 14:41:29 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 14:41:33 | kergoth | yeah, its a monday alright |
| 14:45:52 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: are the anycom cards cheap ? |
| 14:46:49 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: CF is $149, PCMCIA is $139 |
| 14:48:41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: funny story - I worked on a 802.11B -> Bluetooth gateway for a special project at Comdex - it basically bridged 802.11 to Bluetooth with NAT and all that other good stuff |
| 14:49:13 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, Anycom was in the Microsoft pavilion, so I go marching in with my Linux shirt, and asked them if they had Linux drivers yet |
| 14:49:27 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 14:50:20 | CosmicPenguin | They mumbled the usual crap about Microsoft and no resources for LInux, so I invited them over for a demo.... it was pretty cool |
| 14:53:23 | scan[ibook] | wonders how many tuxscreens have been sold since the topic was set |
| 14:54:15 | Nermal | too |
| 14:56:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 17:16:45 | file | ermph |
| 17:16:59 | file | faulty NIC... |
| 17:17:03 | scan[ibook] | pokes file |
| 17:17:11 | file | I think the EEPROM on it was bad |
| 17:17:18 | file | it couldn't save my settings and the tests on that part failed |
| 17:18:01 | file | scan[ibook]: bleh I need an ISA NIC |
| 17:18:11 | scan[ibook] | file: what's the number on the EEPROM? |
| 17:18:18 | file | let me find it... |
| 17:18:26 | scan[ibook] | most of those serial EEPROMs can be had pretty cheap, if you don't mind resoldering it yourself |
| 17:18:41 | file | I do |
| 17:18:51 | scan[ibook] | well... learn to solder |
| 17:19:05 | file | bleh |
| 17:19:13 | file | now which one of these chips are the EEPROM... |
| 17:19:18 | Russ|werk | isa nic's are literaly a dime a dozen |
| 17:19:29 | file | PGA, EPA1829B |
| 17:20:01 | scan[ibook] | file: um.. usually the EEPROM is a little 8-pin DIP on the ISA NICs |
| 17:20:23 | scan[ibook] | anyway.. if you don't like soldering, just find one out of someone's junk pile |
| 17:20:41 | file | oh this small thing? 62AF 93C46 MB |
| 17:20:49 | scan[ibook] | that's it |
| 17:21:38 | scan[ibook] | $0.43 at digi-key |
| 17:21:50 | file | uh huh |
| 17:22:02 | Russ|werk | plus shipping |
| 17:22:07 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 17:22:11 | Russ|werk | I would just bum another isa nic of someone |
| 17:22:34 | file | Russ: I plan on |
| 17:23:01 | scan[ibook] | Russ|werk: don't say that, I'm the one he'll bum off of... |
| 17:23:30 | Russ|werk | you're kinda out of his bumming distance |
| 17:23:48 | scan[ibook] | Doesn't seem to discourage him much :) |
| 17:23:52 | Russ|werk | speaking of which, anyone here in sfo or bakersfield/ |
| 17:24:51 | file | has prpplague spoken up? |
| 17:25:13 | scan[ibook] | Russ|werk: where are you at? |
| 17:25:31 | scan[ibook] | is in Parker, Colorado |
| 17:25:38 | Russ|werk | I'm in phx, but I'm headed for a roadtrip to sfo, then bakersfield, then back |
| 17:25:44 | Russ|werk | mostly sfo |
| 17:26:09 | Russ|werk | I think parker, colorado is a bit out of the way though |
| 17:26:17 | scan[ibook] | yep |
| 17:39:24 | file | pokes prpplague |
| 18:03:00 | Russ|werk | afternoon morn |
| 18:03:04 | Morn | hi |
| 18:03:09 | Morn | I've been hiding out |
| 18:04:35 | Russ|werk | noticed |
| 18:04:37 | Russ|werk | IRS? |
| 18:04:49 | Morn | no, upset with lilo's handling of OPN |
| 18:05:01 | Morn | trouble is I miss all my friends over here |
| 18:05:16 | Russ|werk | oh, I haven't heard much from lilo for a while |
| 18:06:56 | Morn | do you use x-chat at all? |
| 18:09:02 | Russ|werk | I only use xchat |
| 18:09:36 | Morn | is it possible to make multiple rows of tabs at the bottom of the screen? |
| 18:09:47 | Morn | I'm running out of space for channel names |
| 18:10:53 | Russ|werk | ah, I don't know, the problem isn't as bad in 1.9.2 (the tabs are narrower and arranged by server |
| 18:11:08 | Morn | that would help |
| 18:11:17 | Morn | Does debian have a .deb for 1.9.2 yet? |
| 18:11:54 | Morn | I'm on 2 different servers and a bunch of channels, and queries |
| 18:12:53 | Morn | only intel binary debs |
| 18:12:59 | Morn | :-( |
| 18:13:18 | Morn | and only 1.8.9 |
| 18:13:23 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 18:13:38 | Russ|werk | xchat 1.8.9 should be compiled for all arches and a source file available |
| 18:13:53 | Russ|werk | I built a 1.9.1 deb, but haven't gotten around to 1.9.1 |
| 18:13:54 | Russ|werk | er |
| 18:13:55 | Russ|werk | 1.9.2 |
| 18:14:04 | Morn | On the xchat.org website they only have i386 1.8.9 |
| 18:14:10 | Morn | I'm using a sparc machine |
| 18:14:19 | Morn | do you have the source .deb for 1.9.2? |
| 18:14:42 | Russ|werk | there should be a sparc deb for 1.8.9 |
| 18:15:00 | Russ|werk | (in sarge/sid/woody) |
| 18:15:01 | Morn | But I want to try 1.9.2 for the better tabs, that you mentioned |
| 18:15:06 | Russ|werk | right |
| 18:15:08 | Morn | I have 1.8.9 installed |
| 18:15:18 | Russ|werk | I'll merge it tonight I suppose and send you the diff |
| 18:15:21 | Morn | using it right now |
| 18:15:45 | Morn | my last apt-get dist-upgrade broke a few things |
| 18:15:50 | | rumour has it like is it a gateway or and HP or something |
| 18:15:50 | Russ|werk | like what? |
| 18:16:01 | Morn | it upgraded libreadline and now a bunch of stuff that uses it is broken |
| 18:16:42 | kergoth | the latest pump in unstable wont get an IP from my cable modem at home. odd. had to backrev to woody's pump |
| 18:16:55 | Russ|werk | do you have 4.3-2? |
| 18:17:04 | Russ|werk | kergoth: which service? |
| 18:18:30 | Russ|werk | Morn: 4.3-1 was a new upstream release at Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:40:06 +0200, then there was a 4.3-2 release at Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:21:40 +0200 |
| 18:19:00 | Morn | Hold on let me see which one I have |
| 18:21:14 | Morn | it's 4.3-2 |
| 18:23:06 | Morn | sparc:~# ncftp |
| 18:23:06 | Morn | ncftp: relocation error: /lib/libreadline.so.4: undefined symbol: PC |
| 18:24:54 | Russ|werk | ncftp works for me |
| 18:25:00 | Russ|werk | sparc? |
| 18:25:03 | Morn | yes |
| 18:25:10 | Morn | it only broke after that update |
| 18:25:16 | file | tried to get the NIC working, failed though |
| 18:25:39 | Russ|werk | Version: 2:3.1.4-1 (ncftp)? |
| 18:26:04 | Russ|werk | Version: 5.2.20020112a-8 (ncurses? |
| 18:27:29 | Morn | hold on, client on the phone |
| 18:40:00 | Morn | back |
| 18:40:02 | Morn | kinda :-) |
| 19:03:25 | Russ|werk | Morn: just got another libreadline4 |
| 19:03:35 | Russ|werk | '* Do it again. Really link against ncurses library.' Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:44:00 +0200 |
| 19:03:43 | julie | grin |
| 19:04:33 | Russ|werk | you may need to snag it directly from incoming, I don't know how long autobuild takes on sparc |
| 19:07:44 | julie | it grabbed it |
| 19:07:50 | julie | along with a ton of other stuff |
| 19:07:53 | julie | must be a busy day |
| 19:15:58 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 19 hours, 37 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Sat Jul 20 00:38:07 2002] |
| 19:15:58 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 19:25:48 | prpplague | Morn: hey you devil you, where ya been? |
| 19:27:58 | Morn | I've been protesting lilo on OPN |
| 19:28:09 | Morn | so I went to another network, but all my friends are here |
| 19:35:07 | prpplague | Morn: ahh, oftc? |
| 19:35:17 | file | prpplague: BOO! |
| 19:35:53 | scan[ibook] | suggested moving #picogui to oftc and was met with much resistance |
| 19:36:34 | file | scan[ibook]: speak of it again - and you may not survive |
| 19:38:23 | kergoth | having to stay on both opn and oftc is a pain |
| 19:38:45 | CosmicPenguin | Why such hatred for oftc? |
| 19:39:04 | Morn | prpplague: yeah |
| 19:39:39 | Morn | I'm on both networks now |
| 19:40:40 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I found a bug in FVWM - if you have an app go fullscreen and then back again, you lose mouse click functionality in individual windows |
| 19:42:32 | CosmicPenguin | Oops - its too annoying - gotta go reset |
| 19:56:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh, sounds interesting |
| 21:28:18 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Sat Jul 20 00:38:07 2002] |
| 21:28:19 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 22:01:03 | prpplague | heads home |
| 22:17:29 | file | bleh prpplague left... |
| 23:06:25 | file | prpplague: aha! I beat you by a second |
| 23:07:03 | prpplague | doh |
| 23:07:22 | file | you can't escape me bwahahahaaha |
| 23:07:24 | file | hey guess what! |
| 23:07:49 | prpplague | file: your pregnant? |
| 23:08:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you still hanging around? |
| 23:08:16 | file | prpplague: no - I thought you were, we were gonna hold a party! |
| 23:08:41 | file | prpplague: oh well, my laptop gets sent out tomorrow/Wednesday |
| 23:08:48 | prpplague | file: what kinda party? |
| 23:09:15 | file | prpplague: surprise party, lots of drinks |
| 23:10:09 | file | prpplague: how goes it? |
| 23:13:21 | prpplague | file: ssdd |
| 23:13:39 | prpplague | file: jsut trying to get a linux box ready to go to honduras |
| 23:21:53 | jacques | prpplague: give it plenty of sunscreen |
| 23:22:37 | prpplague | jacques: lol, ya well we are shipping it with a huge ups and about 5 backup power supplies |
| 23:22:50 | prpplague | jacques: they smoke about 1 powersupply per month |
| 23:25:25 | jacques | prpplague: bad power? |
| 23:25:35 | jacques | sounds like mexico |
| 23:27:52 | prpplague | jacques: yep |
| 23:28:17 | prpplague | jacques: we've tried the whole range of power supplies and the cheapiest last about as long as the high $ ones |
| 23:29:57 | jacques | prpplague: d'oh |
| 23:30:39 | jacques | prpplague: is this even with using a UPS / power conditioner / surge suppressor? |
| 23:31:38 | prpplague | jacques: let me i think i have a pic of the power lines to the building......... |
| 23:32:10 | jacques | cringes |
| 23:41:43 | jacques | prpplague: I told it to accept, but I'm not sure it will work throgh our firewall |
| 23:41:56 | prpplague | jacques: np, i'll put it on a page |
| 23:42:04 | jacques | cool |
| 23:42:50 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/images/dsc00001.jpg |
| 23:43:30 | scan[ibook] | yike |
| 23:43:34 | jacques | holy crap |
| 23:44:09 | jacques | I'm surprised that works atall |
| 23:45:07 | prpplague | well, the funny thing is that that pole melted down about a year ago and they put a fresh clean one and now its back to being a mess |
| 23:47:26 | jacques | like the renewing effect of forest fires... |
| 23:54:00 | legodude | hello all, can anyone give me some examples of cards which use 3.3v? |
| 23:54:29 | legodude | I'm thinking of modifying my tuxscreen to 5v and doing both slots while I'm at it as I don't know of anything that is 3.3v only |
| 23:56:11 | jacques | legodude: I dunno, I think all my cards will do both |
| 23:58:11 | legodude | also, what is the purpose of the diode in some of the modifications? |
| 23:59:02 | jacques | i think some of the modifications try to be clever and do 3.3 and 5v |
