| 00:01:06 | jacques | is modprobe still not working? |
| 00:01:37 | andersee | jacques: modprobe should now be working fine... |
| 00:01:54 | jacques | cool |
| 00:04:34 | Tangent | andersee: Oh.. cool.. (buildroot works).. just reading down |
| 00:04:55 | Tangent | andersee: Ah.. kernel broken.. yeah... that's what I got last night |
| 00:04:55 | BZFlag | if everything is working, perhaps we should release a 0.7 before things break again. ;-) |
| 00:07:56 | jacques | BZFlag: it looks like kernel is brokeded currently |
| 00:11:28 | andersee | BZFlag: FYI -rmk6-tux1 works fine... Seems -rmk7 is the broken one. |
| 00:13:40 | andersee | BZFlag: oops. I forgot a step -- uclibc isn't installed into build/root. Fixing |
| 00:19:24 | andersee | BZFlag: reflashing... |
| 00:30:14 | BZFlag | argh... pointing to daily snapshots is evil. They work for you, but they can easily break in the future. |
| 00:30:31 | andersee | BZFlag: ok, I've got a working system. No more kernel oopses. My Nic was detected and works. Using -rmk6-tux1 |
| 00:30:36 | BZFlag | we should point to releases, or cvs checkouts by day. |
| 00:30:48 | andersee | BZFlag: Want a copy to post? |
| 00:31:02 | BZFlag | nope. I'll get around to testing soon. |
| 00:31:08 | andersee | BZFlag: Everything seems to be working perfectly. Latest and greatest... |
| 00:31:30 | andersee | The only difference in mine vs stock CVS is the kernel. I reverted to -rmk6 |
| 00:34:14 | Tangent | could buildroot-tux be fixed to get rmk6 instead ? |
| 00:35:24 | andersee | Probably makes sense. I'll do that. |
| 00:37:20 | BZFlag | and then flame rmk for never installing linux on his tux. ;-) |
| 00:37:56 | BZFlag | got his gpg key signed by rmk and gooch and a bunch of debian folk etc. |
| 00:38:09 | andersee | BZFlag: nice |
| 00:38:58 | andersee | Tangent: ok. I reverted the kernel in CVS. |
| 00:39:10 | Tangent | andersee: OK.. I'll do an update here |
| 00:39:17 | andersee | Tangent: So in theory now, stock CVS buildroot should produce a working system. |
| 00:40:02 | BZFlag | headed home. cya |
| 00:41:38 | andersee | Tangent: lemme know if it all works out for you. |
| 00:45:36 | CosmicPenguin | 'ello again |
| 00:48:58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: g'day |
| 00:49:10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I fixed buildroot (again) |
| 00:50:06 | Tangent | andersee: I get problems as soon as I type 'make' |
| 00:50:11 | Tangent | spse@top:~/src/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux$ make |
| 00:50:11 | Tangent | Makefile:121: make/*.mk: No such file or directory |
| 00:50:22 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The kernel now works (reverted to -rmk6-tux1), latest busybox modprobe doesn't crash.. |
| 00:50:26 | andersee | Tangent: Hmm |
| 00:50:31 | Tangent | andersee: include make/*.mk |
| 00:50:34 | andersee | What is in the make directory? |
| 00:50:36 | Tangent | missing # ? |
| 00:51:14 | andersee | Tangent: did you do a 'cvs up' on everything? Or just the toplevel Makefile? |
| 00:51:14 | Tangent | no such file or directory |
| 00:51:33 | Tangent | andersee: I sat in the buildroot-tux directory and typed 'cvs up' |
| 00:52:00 | Tangent | andersee: When that didn't work, I deleted the Makefile and did the asme again |
| 00:52:24 | andersee | Tangent: Thats odd. |
| 00:52:28 | spse | Tangent: i get: spse@top:~/src/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux$ make |
| 00:52:28 | spse | make: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 00:53:16 | Tangent | spse: Try now.. without the # |
| 00:53:41 | spse | now i get same error as you had |
| 00:53:58 | Tangent | indeed :) |
| 00:54:05 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: cool... course, I'm bricked, so I have to wait a few days until I can stop by and get that JTAG |
| 00:54:21 | spse | Tangent: there is no make directory |
| 00:54:27 | Tangent | spse: I know that. |
| 00:54:36 | spse | cvs up -d fixes it |
| 00:54:58 | spse | type make now |
| 00:55:17 | Tangent | Have done.. is building |
| 00:56:18 | Tangent | Bah... it's trying and failing to fetch the kernel source again |
| 00:56:53 | Tangent | ==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2 ... |
| 00:56:53 | Tangent | No such file `linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2'. |
| 00:57:24 | andersee | Tangent: just let it keep working its magic. |
| 00:57:37 | Tangent | make: *** [/home/spse/src/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2] Error 1 |
| 00:57:41 | andersee | Tangent: It'll eventually hit a mirror site that works |
| 00:57:41 | Tangent | andersee: Like that ;) |
| 00:58:31 | andersee | Tangent: just run make again. And it'll hit a different mirror in the round-robbin DNS for kernel.org |
| 00:58:46 | Tangent | andersee: I fed it the kernel by hand yesterday.. since I alreay have it here.. I just don't understand where it went to |
| 00:59:01 | rsh | Anyone looked at FLNX recently? |
| 01:00:14 | andersee | Tangent: I always do that too. Takes too long to download |
| 01:00:22 | Tangent | feeds the kernel by hand again |
| 01:01:35 | file | I have an opening on Tetrinet, anybody wanna play? |
| 01:03:11 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 01:03:41 | Tangent | as_: Hey |
| 01:04:19 | as_ | Tangent :] |
| 01:04:25 | as_ | How goes? |
| 01:05:35 | prpplague | Tangent: any recomendation on which pic model you'd like to see on the board we discussed? |
| 01:05:39 | Tangent | as_: Pretty good apart from no job and no money |
| 01:05:51 | Tangent | prpplague: 16F876 |
| 01:05:51 | as_ | Doh. |
| 01:06:42 | Tangent | prpplague: 28pin package, in circuit programable, analog inputs, built in uart, PWM control, 8K flash.... nice chip :) |
| 01:07:45 | spse | just make sure you give it a 20mhz clock for lots of bitbanging ;) |
| 01:08:21 | Tangent | Indeed.. 20MHz part is the way to go.. :) |
| 01:09:37 | as_ | There are 75MHx PICs out there. Getting scarey. |
| 01:10:09 | spse | nice for 100ns timing loops |
| 01:10:21 | ArcTangent | PICs are such cool chips :) |
| 01:10:29 | ArcTangent | I'll never buy another 555 timer again |
| 01:18:15 | prpplague | Tangent: ok thanks |
| 01:18:29 | file | anybody for Tetrinet? |
| 01:18:40 | file | need 1 more person |
| 01:29:13 | jacques | Tangent: what are you going to use that PIC for? sounds interesting - builtin PWM - cool |
| 01:31:02 | Tangent_ | jacques: It could be used for all sorts of things.. It's in-circuit programmable, and very good for all kinds of IO stuff |
| 01:31:15 | Tangent_ | jacques: I'd like to see two or three on there :) |
| 01:31:29 | jacques | Tangent: on where? that's the part I missed |
| 01:32:08 | Tangent_ | jacques: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/HomeAutomation/PICBoard.htm |
| 01:32:26 | Tangent_ | jacques: An SA Hack Board a couple of people are putting together |
| 01:32:38 | Tangent_ | jacques: Not the url I posted... |
| 01:32:44 | Tangent_ | jacques: but the location for the pic |
| 01:32:52 | Tangent_ | jacques: The url I posted is my pic board |
| 01:33:00 | Tangent_ | and spses |
| 01:37:28 | jacques | Tangent: nice |
| 01:50:18 | prpplague | argh, my son has tracked grass burrs all through the house! |
| 01:51:36 | jacques | d'oh |
| 01:54:21 | jacques | i hate those things |
| 01:56:12 | prpplague | jacques: especially on the bottom of the feet.... |
| 01:58:15 | jacques | ugh |
| 01:58:55 | prpplague | jacques: hmm time for a little rain - http://www.weather.com/weather/map/75605?from=LAPmaps |
| 02:00:54 | jacques | prpplague: central texas is getting drenched right? poor san antonio |
| 02:01:24 | prpplague | jacques: ya pretty heavy |
| 02:13:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its about 100 degrees here |
| 02:13:51 | | jacques: (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; Conditions at; last updated: Conditions at; Dew Point: 61.0 F (16.1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.4 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 54%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 79.0 F (26.1 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 16 MPH (14 KT) |
| 02:13:51 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 02:25:03 | | Russ: (KPHX) 33-26-03N 112-03-04W 336M; Conditions at; last updated: Conditions at; Dew Point: 35.1 F (1.7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.78 in. Hg (1008 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.4 hPa) higher than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 7%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 111.9 F (44.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the W (260 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 KT) gusting to 22 MPH (19 KT) |
| 02:25:03 | Russ | ibot: weather kphx |
| 02:25:47 | Russ | -Russ- TIME Tue Jul 2 19:29:57 |
| 02:26:15 | Russ | jacques: my bro is in san antonio |
| 02:28:05 | Russ | thankgod I'll be in pinetop/lakeside tomorrow |
| 02:30:34 | jacques | holy crap |
| 02:30:45 | jacques | 112 degrees and 7% humidity |
| 02:30:56 | jacques | that's not an environment for humans |
| 02:32:05 | Russ | its a dry heat, plus, it could be worse |
| 02:34:52 | jacques | worse?? |
| 02:35:12 | jacques | below about 40% humidity my skin dries up |
| 02:38:06 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I think that my firewall works |
| 02:38:15 | as2 | On the bright side the low humidity kills dust mites... |
| 02:38:37 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: cool, give me your IP address and the root password and let me see if i can get in :) |
| 02:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: try 207.46.230.219...... :) |
| 02:39:46 | sjhill | :) |
| 02:40:09 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i'm no l33t cracker sadly enough :) |
| 02:40:48 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I think that in every programmer is a small desire to crack a box |
| 02:40:56 | prpplague | sjhill: hey how come you didn't attend my little arm party? |
| 02:41:08 | sjhill | prpplague: eeep! i didn't know about it! |
| 02:41:08 | CosmicPenguin | Most of us just have good sense |
| 02:41:27 | prpplague | sjhill: argh |
| 02:45:17 | prpplague | sjhill: well, don't be a stranger next time |
| 02:45:46 | sjhill | prpplague: i definitely won't be...i didn't party at all this year...shame on me |
| 02:48:34 | Russ | has anyone ever seen such sad spam? http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2002/debian-gtk-gnome-200207/msg00023.html |
| 02:48:36 | prpplague | argh, and i thought we were going to get some rain - http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V3.0e/index-e.htm |
| 02:51:44 | Russ | heh, at least I don't have to wonder |
| 02:51:51 | Russ | I know we aren't getting any rain any time soon |
| 02:52:02 | prpplague | Russ: i can imagin |
| 02:52:08 | jacques | i was in vegas a couple weeks ago |
| 02:52:17 | jacques | it was 106 and i thought I was going to die |
| 02:52:18 | prpplague | jacques: win anything? |
| 02:52:34 | Russ | jacques: heat really isn't all that bad |
| 02:52:34 | jacques | prpplague: you can't win if you don't play :-) |
| 02:52:44 | Russ | I hate humidity and heat though |
| 02:52:50 | jacques | prpplague: I didn't play, but my brothers did |
| 02:53:11 | jacques | i lived in houston for 14 years and got pretty well acclimated |
| 02:53:33 | jacques | to 95% and 95% humidity |
| 02:53:40 | jacques | 95 degrees |
| 02:53:52 | Russ | I hate being sweaty and having no way to get unsweaty |
| 02:54:11 | jacques | i dont sweat much forsome reason |
| 02:57:10 | jacques | i want a new game machine but I dont like the price when I add everything up |
| 02:58:31 | prpplague | Russ: thats why you make sure that the nudie bar is only a couple of blocks from the hotel so you can get a shower |
| 02:58:45 | jacques | lol |
| 02:58:46 | sjhill | ok....busybox doesn't build out of cvs...anyone try lately? |
| 02:59:50 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry not me, i'm still using a build a couple of weeks old |
| 03:00:43 | sjhill | downloads 0.60.3 and crosses fingers |
| 03:00:53 | Russ | sjhill: use the wonders of cvs |
| 03:01:06 | Russ | sjhill: cvs update -dP -D "last week" |
| 03:01:27 | Russ | (don't forget to do cvs update -dAP when you are ready to go back to HEAD) |
| 03:01:36 | sjhill | boggles |
| 03:01:42 | sjhill | neat |
| 03:02:33 | jacques | what does that "last week" do ? |
| 03:05:08 | Russ | -D specifies a date to tag files to |
| 03:05:20 | andersee | sjhill: it built for me.... |
| 03:05:23 | Russ | so you can specify dates in multiple formats |
| 03:05:25 | andersee | sjhill: details? |
| 03:05:33 | Russ | like last week, last tuesday, 2 days ago, etc |
| 03:05:57 | andersee | sjhill: I rebuilt all of buildroot today. Latest uClibc and latest busybox.... |
| 03:07:18 | CosmicPenguin | Wierd - my keyboards keep generating odd scancodes |
| 03:07:42 | sjhill | andersee: mipsel-uclibc-gcc -I/home/sjhill/crap/busybox/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wshadow -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -D_GNU_SOURCE -DBB_VER='"0.61.pre"' -DBB_BT='"2002.07.03-03:10+0000"' -c -o /home/sjhill/crap/busybox/loginutils/addgroup.o /home/sjhill/crap/busybox/loginutils/addgroup. |
| 03:07:50 | sjhill | andersee: /home/sjhill/crap/busybox/loginutils/addgroup.c:60: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 03:07:55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Thats because I hacked into your system. ;-) |
| 03:08:00 | sjhill | lol |
| 03:08:18 | andersee | sjhill: Hmm. I'll look at it on my mips box then. |
| 03:08:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: cool |
| 03:08:20 | Russ | andersee: I think your keycode interceptor is a little messed up |
| 03:08:26 | prpplague | sjhill: you forgot to kill a chicken and spread the blood around the monitor |
| 03:08:36 | sjhill | ahhh, you're right... |
| 03:08:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats why I keep a flock of chickens |
| 03:08:56 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm sure as heck not going to find a virgin to sacrifice either these days |
| 03:09:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that because you have to deal with TT all day? lol (jk) |
| 03:09:29 | prpplague | sjhill: ya that would be difficult |
| 03:09:44 | sjhill | andersee: i still owe you a Makefile patch....*arggh* |
| 03:10:23 | CosmicPenguin | I get it - I have one of those fancy dancy USB wireless keyboards with the integrated receiver, and its irritating the USB keyboard driver |
| 03:10:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you used sqlite with multiple users accessing the db? |
| 03:10:42 | CosmicPenguin | The "scancodes" are being generated by the mouse |
| 03:11:08 | CosmicPenguin | Annoying, but preventable |
| 03:11:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nope... |
| 03:11:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you've seen the sqlite daemon that someone on the QPE project wrote? |
| 03:11:56 | andersee | sjhill: Were your patches for removing --enable-shared? |
| 03:12:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was reading the docs, sqlite seems to support multiuser locking, but i'm going to need to test |
| 03:12:04 | sjhill | andersee: bingo |
| 03:12:25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry no, i need to get a qpe setup going so i can see what all the fuss is about |
| 03:13:40 | CosmicPenguin | fuss? |
| 03:15:12 | CosmicPenguin | Technically, the keyboard shouldn't have more than 255 keycodes, right? |
| 03:16:59 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 03:17:11 | as2 | I'm not sure how many scancodes there are. |
| 03:18:32 | andersee | sjhill: k. I did that today. Thanks |
| 03:18:41 | as2 | Must be 60 main keys, each of which need a seperate value with Control, shift, alt, altgr... |
| 03:19:24 | CosmicPenguin | as2: not scancodes, but keycodes |
| 03:22:34 | as2 | I thought keyboards spat out scancodes. |
| 03:22:58 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but USB generates keycodes that need to be changed into scancodes |
| 03:23:39 | as2 | Ahhh. |
| 03:24:27 | as2 | Sorry, should have read the buffer before blurting out l;] |
| 03:24:44 | CosmicPenguin | I could solve everything by sticking on the USB->PS2 adapter and screwing the input layer |
| 03:25:31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: they have those for cheap at radio shack -- leftovers from the cuecat debacle |
| 03:25:41 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I got two with my keyboard... :) |
| 03:26:01 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, rebooting to use older technology |
| 03:26:05 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
| 03:31:06 | prpplague | says "night all" |
| 03:34:14 | andersee | sjhill: I just fixed clone on mips so pthreads works now. |
| 03:34:32 | sjhill | andersee: was that the problem with busybox? |
| 03:34:56 | sjhill | andersee: wait, clone, oh ok |
| 03:34:59 | andersee | Nope. |
| 03:35:25 | andersee | Still havn't tried busybox on mips with uClibc. About to try it... |
| 03:39:25 | CosmicPenguin | No more annoying messages |
| 03:40:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 03:40:34 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: my /var/log/messages was filled with "can't emulate keycode 272" messages |
| 03:41:22 | andersee | ahh |
| 03:41:45 | andersee | the sound of silence indeed |
| 03:51:00 | jacques | hi TomW! |
| 03:51:39 | TomW | nice thing about living out in the "boonies", there are still places that you can go over a 100MPH and not get bothered. |
| 03:52:38 | jacques | sonds fun |
| 03:53:42 | TomW | yeah, I was getting restless tonite and took a drive. Man! It is 85 degrees outside and humid, really sultry air tonite! |
| 03:55:02 | TomW | that VIA motherboard I purchased with the C3 processor on it? Junk, absolute Junk! |
| 03:55:16 | TomW | ... the ITX form factor. |
| 03:55:17 | Russ | duh |
| 03:55:24 | Russ | coulda told you that |
| 03:55:53 | TomW | Damned thing throws SIGSEGV (Signal 11's) when you run the X-server. |
| 03:56:58 | TomW | Also, the onboard LAN is crap, they got some problem with thier chip interface / LAN interface. The ethernet keeps dying. |
| 03:58:05 | TomW | *sigh* So cheap, so powerfull, so small, so low-power. Like they say "If it sounds unbelievable, it probably is..." :-( |
| 03:59:11 | TomW | Russ: don't know about you, but I have been jammed with work this past month. About time! |
| 04:03:36 | andersee | sjhill: k, I see the problem. |
| 04:03:40 | andersee | In file included from /home/andersen/CVS/busybox/include/shadow.h:34, |
| 04:03:41 | andersee | from /home/andersen/CVS/busybox/libbb/pwd2spwd.c:34: |
| 04:03:41 | andersee | /usr/mipsel-linux-uclibc/include/shadow.h:41: redefinition of `struct spwd' |
| 04:03:41 | andersee | make: *** [/home/andersen/CVS/busybox/libbb/pwd2spwd.o] Error 1 |
| 04:03:49 | andersee | I'll fix that right up |
| 04:17:14 | CosmicPenguin | is happy - our local channel is showing old Simpsons again! |
| 04:19:05 | jacques | well god does not want me to order from tigerdirect |
| 04:19:13 | jacques | because they are POS MFs |
| 04:20:37 | jacques | unless someone is selling ferraris for $1 I am never going to use IE just to order from a site |
| 04:21:51 | andersee | For a $1 ferrari, I'd even install WinXP on my box (briefly)... |
| 04:22:39 | jacques | i'd even buy a dell |
| 04:23:08 | jacques | i dont understand why this has never been brought up on /. |
| 04:23:16 | jacques | they are always pimping tigerdirect |
| 04:23:20 | TomW | jacques: heh, yeah, tiger direct... |
| 04:23:34 | jacques | i tried 2 different browsers, galeon 1.2.5 and netscape 4.79 |
| 04:23:52 | jacques | i just sent them an email |
| 04:23:56 | jacques | i dont expect a response |
| 04:24:55 | TomW | naw, you're just the 1% that complains, so they expect that the other 99% are buy what they want with no problems. |
| 04:25:03 | jacques | i was trying to order some of those $99 toshiba 2GB PCMCIA type II drives |
| 04:25:12 | jacques | TomW: yeah I know |
| 04:25:44 | TomW | what do they call it? "blissfull ignorance"? |
| 04:26:19 | jacques | oh well |
| 04:27:56 | TomW | jacques: when you say "type II", you mean you're looking for an "internal" drive? |
| 04:29:16 | jacques | TomW: yeah these fit in a single pcmcia clot |
| 04:29:18 | jacques | slot |
| 04:29:29 | jacques | unlike type III which would use both slots |
| 04:30:25 | TomW | mmm, type II allows for a thicker form factor, but can you, say, put two type two devices in the Tux? |
| 04:30:49 | jacques | TomW: yes, you definitly should be able to |
| 04:32:02 | TomW | jacques: I was at a computer show this past weekend and they were selling used 4.2 & 6.4 Gig 9mm notebook drives for $25..$35 a peice. |
| 04:32:45 | jacques | TomW: cool |
| 04:33:49 | TomW | yeah, too bad I was out of money. The vendor would only take cash for them. |
| 04:38:08 | TomW | jacques: http://www.cnetpc.com/productinfo.asp?item=HD-IB10G |
| 04:38:49 | jacques | TomW: I really want those pcmcia drives |
| 04:38:54 | TomW | jacques: a little overkill, but it is new. |
| 04:39:12 | as_ | I never buy used drives. |
| 04:39:12 | TomW | shrugs |
| 04:39:19 | jacques | i dont want to be making interface boards and soldering al those connections and aking a power supply |
| 04:39:29 | jacques | the pcmcia drives are new |
| 04:39:35 | jacques | they would plug right in |
| 04:39:55 | CosmicPenguin | has never been directly attached to a live network before |
| 04:40:00 | CosmicPenguin | Ths is so cool |
| 04:40:04 | TomW | ...they're brain-dead simple to get going... |
| 04:40:39 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: oh, and how is your body attached to the network? |
| 04:40:58 | TomW | heh |
| 04:42:27 | TomW | jacques: come on: you gotta plan, and sweat, and swear, and scream, and exhault in success when it runs... |
| 04:42:45 | TomW | jacques: ummm, oh, you do that already at work.. point taken. |
| 04:43:30 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: lets just say that I've taken wearables to a new level... :) |
| 04:43:39 | TomW | lol |
| 04:44:57 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: ground-wave transmissions via your feet as the antenna? |
| 04:47:11 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: It all hinges on the screws in my leg from when I broke my leg as a kid |
| 04:48:05 | CosmicPenguin | I can actually tell the amount of traffic by how much my leg twitches.... :) |
| 04:48:09 | TomW | yeah, it is tough to get a good ground connection for a wearable computer... |
| 04:48:54 | TomW | ah well, bedtime, later all. |
| 04:51:08 | CosmicPenguin | 50 left? Wow |
| 04:51:21 | CosmicPenguin | mabye its time to get another one |
| 04:51:25 | CosmicPenguin | anway, time for bed |
| 04:51:55 | andersee | They're going faster now. First one. Then another. Then another. Soon they'll all be gone. |
| 04:52:19 | BZFlag | yep. won't that be nice. no more late nights for me boxing phones. |
| 04:52:24 | andersee | Maybe someone should paint one on the wall, so we can pretend the last one stays put. |
| 04:53:09 | BZFlag | heh. Well I have a few without boxes or anything, so I'm sure I'll have parts left over. |
| 04:53:41 | BZFlag | when it get's down to the wire it'll be interesting to see how many I can get to be complete to sell. |
| 05:18:07 | as_ | Nite all. |
| 14:14:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:14:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: another day, another $.50 |
| 14:16:17 | file | huh? |
| 14:16:44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: brb |
| 14:24:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: $.50 huh? You make alot more than I do... :) |
| 14:36:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats before taxes |
| 14:43:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but we get all the free beating we want here, so I guess it evens out |
| 14:43:54 | CosmicPenguin | s/beating/beatings/ |
| 14:46:15 | file | mmm |
| 15:02:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: next RC of FLTK is out |
| 15:02:30 | CosmicPenguin | Changelog show them doing a whole lot of enhancements for a release cannidate |
| 15:02:38 | CosmicPenguin | was taught that only bug fixes go into a RC |
| 15:47:49 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: fltk2 ? |
| 15:48:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: with utf8 support via xft ? |
| 16:06:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I dunno... I saw FLTK 2 in alpha, and it sucked. |
| 16:06:18 | CosmicPenguin | is sticking with 1.0.11 |
| 16:06:28 | prpplague | is also |
| 16:06:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey is there a procedure for increasing the amount of swap space on an active system? |
| 16:07:13 | file | mmm? |
| 16:07:19 | file | swapoff /swap |
| 16:07:38 | file | dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap count=1M size=<whatever in megs> |
| 16:07:40 | file | mkswap /swap |
| 16:07:42 | file | swapon /swap |
| 16:08:00 | file | that what you mean? |
| 16:19:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it depends - are you using a partition? |
| 16:22:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i'm using a partition |
| 16:22:54 | prpplague | file: yep, thats what i thought, i just wanted to make sure there wasn;t a gw command |
| 16:23:06 | file | k |
| 16:29:26 | prpplague | ok one more question, any of you guys ever seen an application for linux to do burning testing? |
| 16:31:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do you have enough free space on your disk to increase the size of your partition? |
| 16:32:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya we set the swap at the end of the drive and left the room available |
| 16:36:38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: then you should be able to increase the size of the partition with yer old friend fdisk |
| 16:36:49 | CosmicPenguin | But of course, you already knew that |
| 16:38:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure |
| 16:38:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: funny thing is, i've never needed to change my swap size |
| 16:40:27 | CosmicPenguin | Asus is shipping motherboards with serial ATA support |
| 16:40:52 | CosmicPenguin | And AGP 8x |
| 16:41:45 | file | waves to CosmicPenguin |
| 16:42:03 | CosmicPenguin | Man, a day doesn't go by that I don't get at least 1 Nigerian scam spam |
| 16:42:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 16:42:17 | CosmicPenguin | waves back at file |
| 16:43:10 | file | ugh, more rain |
| 18:52:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: going to LinuxWorld? |
| 19:00:32 | Tangent_ | andersee: You have amazing timing... I was just thinking about you |
| 19:01:22 | Tangent_ | andersee: I was going to tell you that we still don't have buildroot-tux building properly |
| 19:02:40 | Tangent_ | arm-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 19:05:26 | andersee | Tangent_: oh? |
| 19:05:27 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 19:05:43 | spse | btw, in the buildroot stuff, when it gets zlib...bz2 it downloads an html file from sf.net |
| 19:05:44 | andersee | Did you start from a clean tree (i.e. no build dir)? |
| 19:05:58 | andersee | spse: oh yeah. I was gonna fix that. |
| 19:06:14 | Tangent_ | andersee: No.. was not from a clean tree |
| 19:06:34 | Tangent_ | andersee: Fix the source it uses for linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2 also |
| 19:06:45 | andersee | Tangent_: The toolchain has been shuffled a bit. You will need to start from a clean tree I'm afraid. :( |
| 19:10:02 | Tangent_ | andersee: Starting fresh tree now... or should I wait until you fix the zlib thing |
| 19:12:10 | Tangent_ | Started anyhow |
| 19:12:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure |
| 19:12:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've had about 10 ppl ask in the last 3 days |
| 19:13:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm trying to convince my boss to let me go. If he says no, then I'll probably just take vacation time |
| 19:13:43 | andersee | Tangent_: zlib is optional... |
| 19:14:01 | andersee | Tangent_: I'll fix it in a sec |
| 19:14:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll let him know that people were asking why we wern't in Canada - maybe he'll get scared about the PR |
| 19:15:32 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: going where? |
| 19:16:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: doh! I drove over to compusa today and drove right by your office. If I'd been thinking, I'd have brought you that JTAG dongle... |
| 19:19:46 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: LinuxWorld |
| 19:20:28 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: doh! Thats OK - I am going to borrow signal11's tuxscreen in the meantime |
| 19:26:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: LinuxWorld sounds like it'll be a bunch of fun |
| 19:26:45 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: We should collect up a group from here in the SLC area and carpool. Would be cheapest that way... |
| 19:26:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: that sounds like a good idea |
| 19:27:22 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: the convention center in san fran is right off I80 - we just have to point ourselves west and keep going... :) |
| 19:28:56 | BZFlag | andersee: you planning on going? what are the dates? |
| 19:53:20 | andersee | BZFlag: August 13-15, 2002 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco. |
| 19:53:52 | BZFlag | hmm.. I will have just gotten back from NY. Think I'll skip it this year. |
| 19:54:44 | andersee | Ahh well. |
| 19:55:10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'd like to go. Sounds like it'd be a pile of fun |
| 19:55:28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: fun isn't something I get very often |
| 19:55:40 | andersee | All work and no play... |
| 19:57:06 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: If I can't convince Century to pay my way, I'm there with ya |
| 19:57:15 | BZFlag | wonders if there will be an ALS this year. |
| 19:57:38 | BZFlag | was supposed to be in san jose. |
| 19:57:54 | BZFlag | http://www.linuxshowcase.org/ <- still has last year info up. |
| 19:58:42 | Tangent_ | make[3]: arm-uclibc-gcc: Command not found |
| 20:00:12 | BZFlag | andersee: looked at updating phoenix? what's the plan, just a cvs up someplace in the tree? It looks like my reconfigured kernel is building ok (slowly) |
| 20:06:25 | andersee | BZFlag: I'll probably cross-compile the new kernel for phoenix again on dillweed. Compiling on phoenix takes forever. |
| 20:09:34 | andersee | BZFlag: the kernel is mostly stock from the SGI cvs, but also has tulip patched from the Cobalt-22 mailing list |
| 20:12:26 | BZFlag | I'm dealing with the slow compile just to see if the toolchain is stable. ;-) |
| 20:14:26 | BZFlag | I figure if it builds a stable kernel, then I can trust it to build other stuff ok. |
| 20:14:46 | BZFlag | I suppose c++ and float stuff would not be tested... |
| 20:17:11 | andersee | BZFlag: I have a mips cross toolchain I built (sources/Makefile if yu want em) that seems to work nicely. |
| 20:22:42 | BZFlag | did you just gzip vmlinux after the build? or was there a target to get that to happen? |
| 20:29:47 | andersee | BZFlag: just do a 'make vmlinux' then 'mipsel-linux-strip --strip-unneeded -R .note -R .comment vmlinux' then I gzip it. |
| 21:02:18 | andersee | BZFlag: ok, I have phoenix running 2.4.19-rc1 now. |
| 21:09:04 | BZFlag | wow, that was fast. |
| 21:16:09 | pattieja | is back (gone 22:23:07) |
| 21:18:57 | BZFlag | hmm. neither kernel boots for me. |
| 21:19:42 | andersee | I compiled it using the gcc-3.1 cross compiler I built.... |
| 21:20:07 | andersee | I suspect strongly the mips support in gcc 2.95.x is complete crap |
| 21:20:36 | andersee | Dunno if you remember, but for gcc 3.1, redhat was paid to fix the gcc mips support |
| 21:22:06 | BZFlag | I tried booting the /usr/src/linux/vmlinx.gz you have but that did not work either. |
| 21:22:48 | andersee | I didn't compile the kernel on phoenix, and havn't rsynced it over |
| 21:23:17 | andersee | Try out /boot/boot/vmlinux.gz from phoenix -- thats the new one |
| 21:31:54 | BZFlag | where did /usr/src/linux/vmlinux.gz come from? |
| 21:32:05 | BZFlag | /boot/boot/vmlinux.gz booted ok. |
| 21:32:21 | BZFlag | well, it wants /dev/hda3 which I don't use... |
| 21:36:52 | andersee | BZFlag: unzip it, use hexedit to change the drive, rezip it, boot. :) |
| 21:37:21 | andersee | BZFlag: The one under /usr/src is a previous (failed) attempt. |
| 21:37:35 | andersee | BZFlag: Before I gave up on native compiles |
| 21:37:58 | BZFlag | did just that. |
| 21:38:13 | BZFlag | ahh! hence the reason it failed for me too. ;-) |
| 21:38:23 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: what type if MIPS processor is it? I used to use 2.95.3 for R3000 processors |
| 21:43:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: for 2.4.x kernels? |
| 21:43:03 | andersee | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:43:03 | andersee | system type : MIPS Cobalt |
| 21:43:03 | andersee | processor : 0 |
| 21:43:03 | andersee | cpu model : Nevada V10.0 FPU V10.0 |
| 21:43:03 | andersee | BogoMIPS : 249.85 |
| 21:43:40 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: 2.4.1, iirc |
| 21:43:46 | andersee | Hmm |
| 21:43:52 | CosmicPenguin | for the TX3912 (you know, the Helio model) |
| 21:44:24 | andersee | So far, gcc 3.1 is the only thing I've sucessfully built a kernel with for this one. |
| 21:44:29 | BZFlag | 250 Mhz QED RM RM5231 |
| 21:46:03 | CosmicPenguin | Thats processor is a whole different can of worms..... |
| 21:46:12 | CosmicPenguin | used to working with a QED processor in his past life |
| 21:46:36 | Tangent_ | Mmmmm... worm powered computing... Mine pushes 150 terawiggles |
| 21:48:48 | andersee | BZFlag: I just rsynced over my working kernel tree. /usr/src/linux on phoenix |
| 21:57:41 | BZFlag | rsyncing. I'm headed to the post office. email me the toolchain info? |
| 22:35:17 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 22:37:07 | CosmicPenguin | as_: evening to you too |
| 22:37:32 | file | hi |
| 22:41:44 | andersee | BZFlag: /home/andersen/mips-toolchain on phoenix -- source (assembled by me) and binaries. Its a glibc based toolchain (for a change) ;) |
| 22:48:52 | BZFlag | ugh. over a gig |
| 22:54:24 | andersee | BZFlag: you don't need the binaries though... |
| 22:54:43 | andersee | BZFlag: you can just grab the Makefile and the sources dir |
| 22:55:19 | CosmicPenguin | Time to head home - catch you all on the flip side, eh? |
| 22:55:58 | file | grumbles |
| 22:56:20 | andersee | BZFlag: and everything under mips-toolchain/old was crap -- just killed that |
| 22:56:43 | andersee | BZFlag: now its just 945 MB... |
| 22:56:45 | andersee | ;) |
| 23:48:02 | andersee | Tangent: so did things build for you? |
| 23:56:17 | BZFlag | wishes Makefile would wget stuff. ;-) |