| 00:40:30 | file | hi Russ |
| 01:25:08 | | BZflag was last seen on #bzflag 1 days, 6 hours, 1 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: yep here goes... cya [Sat Jun 29 20:23:12 2002] |
| 01:25:08 | prpplague | ibot: seen BZflag |
| 01:26:26 | file | waves to prpplague |
| 01:27:00 | prpplague | file: howdy |
| 01:27:05 | file | prpplague : what's up? |
| 01:27:40 | prpplague | file: just taking it easy after getting back from ols |
| 01:27:46 | file | neat |
| 01:28:09 | file | did you enjoy it? |
| 01:29:30 | prpplague | yes it was a very stong oxymoron |
| 01:29:51 | prpplague | it was tiring yet refreshing |
| 01:30:05 | file | nods |
| 01:33:50 | file | prpplague : care for a game of Tetrinet? |
| 01:35:37 | file | prpplague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:46:36 | prpplague | file: sorry no, got a ton of work get started on |
| 01:46:43 | file | k |
| 01:46:56 | file | when that's meeting you were talking about awhile back? |
| 01:48:22 | prpplague | file: which one is that? |
| 01:49:07 | file | about what to do with the stuff |
| 01:53:21 | file | nudges prpplague |
| 01:55:44 | prpplague | file: ohh that one |
| 01:56:01 | prpplague | file: ya we decided to hold all the stuff till the end of the fiscal year in october |
| 01:56:10 | file | twitches |
| 02:01:04 | Sammy | morning all |
| 04:20:50 | ntropy | BZFlag: say, i need a JTAG dongle it looks like |
| 04:31:14 | zwelch | missed you at the party last night.... |
| 04:36:19 | BZFlag | ntropy: got plenty now. order when ready. |
| 04:36:42 | BZFlag | zwelch: me? yeah. I crashed. to tired. |
| 04:36:58 | BZFlag | er too tired. ;-) |
| 13:59:30 | file | hi prpplague |
| 13:59:45 | prpplague | file: morning |
| 14:00:17 | file | just awoke 10 minutes ago |
| 14:18:39 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 14:18:41 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 14:19:03 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 14:25:58 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:53:36 | prpplague | sjhill: howdy |
| 14:53:42 | prpplague | sjhill: you make it back too? |
| 15:08:32 | sjhill | prpplague: yup, although i'm not getting squat done at the office |
| 15:10:40 | CosmicPenguin | brb - the stupid window manager got freaked out |
| 15:11:31 | prpplague | sjhill: ya i know what you mean |
| 15:12:21 | prpplague | sjhill: actuallu i've been going through our programming guidelines and making sure they are in-line with the kernel coding style doc |
| 15:12:54 | CosmicPenguin | Better |
| 15:15:51 | mallum | hi ppl |
| 15:15:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: any joy with matchbox ? |
| 15:16:38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Good news and bad news |
| 15:17:00 | CosmicPenguin | Bad news is that I bricked my tuxscreen - good news is that I all of a sudden don't have much to do at home - so matchbox is my first priority |
| 15:17:16 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: :( && :) |
| 15:17:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: matchbox is getting pretty close now to a 0.3 release |
| 15:17:48 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: whats in CVS is just about 0.3 |
| 15:18:08 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: for 0.4 Im just going to tidy/toughen up code - no new features |
| 15:18:20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It is a way cool window manager |
| 15:19:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: brick'd it? |
| 15:20:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how did you do that? |
| 15:20:46 | prpplague | dropped his ipaq at the OLS party saturday |
| 15:21:09 | file | uh oh, is it ok? |
| 15:21:21 | prpplague | file: think i knock something lose |
| 15:21:31 | file | send her away or open her up |
| 15:21:41 | prpplague | file: open up baby |
| 15:21:55 | prpplague | file: post-mordem |
| 15:22:03 | file | I need to open up my Xtreme, the sound speaker wire is broken off |
| 15:22:26 | prpplague | sjhill: have you tried to get on the ols site today? |
| 15:23:10 | file | You have no voicemail or faxes. |
| 15:23:18 | file | sighs unhappily |
| 15:24:44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thanks ;) |
| 15:25:18 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: gnome2 and kde3 run pretty much a-ok under it now too |
| 15:28:14 | TomW | GPSFan: are you there? |
| 15:51:18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I upgraded the blob - forgot to reblob before I flashed, and... DOH! |
| 15:59:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 16:00:05 | prpplague | dances in a circle saying "i've got a jtag! i've got a jtag!" |
| 16:03:13 | GPSFan | TomW: yep, just taking a bit of a break, what's up? |
| 16:17:18 | prpplague | andersee: ! |
| 16:17:28 | prpplague | andersee: sure wish you could have attended OLS |
| 16:18:40 | andersee | I wish so to! |
| 16:19:04 | andersee | Of course, my wife would have killed me for leaving her to tend the kids alone... |
| 16:21:28 | TomW | GPSFan: I was wondering about the camera setup that you used to take photos of PCBs with. I have an Olympus 360L, 1.3 magapixel, that I use. IIRC, your secret to good photos was in the "light ring" that you had around the aperature? |
| 16:23:59 | GPSFan | TomW: what I use is an Agfa e-photo 1280 with a set oc closeup lenses. x1 x2 x4. I also use a Luxo magnifyer light as a "ringlight" I shoot through the magnifying lens as well. This provides a good flat field of light, and allows the camera to focus at almost zero camera-subject distance. |
| 16:24:44 | TomW | GPSFan: you actually shoot thru the Lux-O-lamp 3x lens? |
| 16:25:14 | GPSFan | yep, ymmv, but I've found it makes better pix than without. |
| 16:25:50 | TomW | wow! I never though to try that. I'd better clean the rosin off the lens and give it a try, thanks! |
| 16:26:11 | GPSFan | TomW: that's another key, clean lenses! |
| 17:49:30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm gonna need to borrow your jtag dongle.... :( |
| 17:56:47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: k |
| 17:56:54 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: bricked your phone? |
| 17:58:04 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Feel free to swing by my place any time... |
| 18:04:41 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'll make an appointment in a few days |
| 18:05:00 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 18:37:04 | Russ|werk | andersee: have you tried to build a blob with the gcc3.1 in buildroot? |
| 18:40:04 | sjhill | andersee: around? |
| 18:49:20 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what did you do? |
| 18:50:45 | sjhill | hey andersen |
| 18:59:09 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: did you compile the blob with the buildroot gcc 3.1 toolchain? |
| 19:03:54 | andersen | sjhill: hey |
| 19:04:24 | andersen | sjhill: I spend a couple minutes looking at that dlopen problem. It happens on phoenix (my mips box) |
| 19:09:06 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 19:09:17 | sjhill | i'll add that to my ever-growing TODO list |
| 19:13:43 | sjhill | andersen: i am unable to get the native uclibc toolchain to build...it crashes in the second stage build of gcc with a 'cannot open crti.o' error from the linker....any insight? |
| 19:29:32 | andersee | sjhill: sorry about that.... |
| 19:29:38 | andersee | sjhill: As I was saying... |
| 19:29:51 | andersee | sjhill: I've duplicated that mips dlopen problem. |
| 19:30:14 | sjhill | i'll have a look at it next week, short week this week |
| 19:30:37 | sjhill | andersee: did you see my uclibc native toolchain question? |
| 19:31:56 | andersee | not yet. I've been doing server stuff today. |
| 19:32:21 | andersee | I have some toolchain updates ready to go out the door though. |
| 19:32:39 | sjhill | andersee: the second stage gcc build is complaining about a missing 'crti.o' |
| 19:45:42 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: sorry - I was at lucch |
| 19:46:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I did build the blob with 3.1 - my fault is that I was using a real old blob - and I flashed the new blob with the old blob instead of reblobing and flashing it that way |
| 19:50:50 | Russ|werk | I'm worried that gcc 3.1 blobs don't work |
| 19:51:22 | Russ|werk | andersee: have you tried to build a blob with the gcc3.1 in buildroot? |
| 20:01:01 | andersee | sjhill: that one is fixed with my latest and greatest. Wanna give it a try? |
| 20:01:13 | andersee | Russ|werk: yup |
| 20:01:40 | andersee | Russ|werk: Thats the version I used for what is now on my phone, and what I uploaded to BZFlag. |
| 20:12:19 | sjhill | andersee: sorry, had a visitor, yes i'd like the latest...where's it at? |
| 20:12:22 | sjhill | hey BZFlag |
| 20:15:25 | BZFlag | sjhill: http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.6/ |
| 20:19:05 | sjhill | BZFlag: i was looking for the native uclibc toolchain build script |
| 20:19:08 | sjhill | BZFlag: ? |
| 20:21:13 | file | sjhill: lastnight I had a dream I bought another Philips Nino including a CompactFlash card... it was scary |
| 20:21:34 | andersee | sjhill: I did that script. It is derived directly from the uClibc toolchain makefiles.... |
| 20:23:03 | BZFlag | sjhill: buildroot-tux/make/uclibc_toolchain.mk or some such? that one? |
| 20:24:20 | sjhill | andersee: firewall's blocking, just send it to <sjhill@cotw.com>....thx! |
| 20:24:35 | andersee | sjhill: k |
| 20:25:30 | sjhill | BZFlag: it might be, i'm not sure...haven't done the buildroot-tux thing ever |
| 20:25:58 | BZFlag | sjhill: well, you can get it from viewcvs to look at. |
| 20:28:44 | andersee | sjhill: it'll look an awful lot like the Makefile I just sent you.... |
| 20:30:37 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: that 2.4.18-rmk7-tux1 booted for you, right? |
| 20:31:34 | ntropy | i never did get mine booting |
| 20:31:39 | ntropy | and now it's a brick |
| 20:31:45 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: well, no... |
| 20:31:51 | ntropy | andersee: did it panic? |
| 20:31:57 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'm currently running -rmk6 on my phone |
| 20:32:00 | andersee | ntropy: yup |
| 20:32:06 | ntropy | yay! it's not just me! |
| 20:32:31 | andersee | ntropy: but if you get past blob to a panic, you aren't bricked... |
| 20:32:44 | ntropy | andersee: i know |
| 20:33:03 | ntropy | andersee: but as a seperate thing, i tryed to change in a new blob |
| 20:33:05 | ntropy | and it bricked |
| 20:33:36 | ntropy | cause i flashed the new blob without reblob'ing first it seems |
| 20:34:10 | Russ|werk | think we should add that to the web |
| 20:34:29 | ntropy | yeah, that is why it bricked, right? |
| 20:34:35 | ntropy | you need to download it, reblob, then flash it |
| 20:34:50 | Russ|werk | might be, its a good test |
| 20:35:10 | Russ|werk | I don't know why the buildroot blob is larger than 32k anyway |
| 20:37:46 | sjhill | is starting to give into temptation to buy a tuxscreen....musn't hit paypal...button....must resist |
| 20:38:01 | ntropy | BZFlag: you around? |
| 20:38:23 | ntropy | BZFlag: how much should i send ya for a JTAG |
| 20:39:07 | sjhill | ntropy: $40...read the topic |
| 20:39:24 | ntropy | yes yes, but how much is the shipping is what i'm asking |
| 20:39:29 | Russ|werk | ntropy: if you are slightly skilled, you can make you own |
| 20:39:47 | ntropy | Russ|werk: hm. how difficult is it? |
| 20:48:02 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: can we test in the blob software to avoid that issue? |
| 20:50:52 | Russ|werk | ntropy: involves soldering a dil to perf board, and messing with some cabling |
| 20:50:59 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: we did test the blob software |
| 20:51:14 | file | sighs |
| 20:51:34 | Russ|werk | reblob is a good idea, but I really think making the default binary smaller than 32k is the way to go |
| 20:52:00 | Russ|werk | unfortunately, the old blob flash code is a little screwy, so.. |
| 20:52:09 | Russ|werk | but if you reblob, then you are running the new flash code |
| 21:03:38 | BZFlag | ntropy: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/TimRiker |
| 21:05:33 | ntropy | so, $43, correct? |
| 21:05:55 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: hmm. so where should the reblob instructions be added? |
| 21:06:02 | BZFlag | ntropy: sounds good. |
| 21:06:06 | ntropy | k |
| 21:06:20 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: feel free to add it to the wiki anywhere you want. |
| 21:08:39 | file | waves to BZFlag, ntropy, and Russ |
| 21:08:47 | ntropy | file: hey |
| 21:09:01 | ntropy | BZFlag: ok, you are $43 richer |
| 21:09:02 | file | care for a game of Tetrinet? |
| 21:09:20 | file | don't I get a penny? |
| 21:09:33 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: to the blob readme in the download dir |
| 21:10:13 | Russ|werk | hey file |
| 21:10:22 | Russ|werk | werking, no gtertrinet |
| 21:10:37 | ntropy | file: maybe some other time |
| 21:10:38 | file | bah |
| 21:11:16 | file | hits himself |
| 21:11:27 | file | why did I not get the extension number for the person I talked to at Citygear?!?!?!?!? |
| 21:13:51 | BZFlag | ntropy: thanx. will ship tomorrow. |
| 21:14:19 | ntropy | BZFlag: thank you. |
| 21:14:26 | file | crys |
| 21:14:30 | file | nothing to be shipped to me! |
| 21:16:29 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.6/blob-20020621.txt <- better? |
| 21:16:43 | ntropy | BZFlag: thats the one that bricked mine |
| 21:16:54 | BZFlag | ntropy: check the new readme. |
| 21:17:18 | ntropy | k |
| 21:19:23 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 14:08:49) |
| 21:22:38 | CosmicPenguin | Good readme |
| 22:00:06 | CosmicPenguin | Man,that is getting annoying |
| 23:25:47 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what is/ |
| 23:30:11 | jacques | hi ho |
| 23:30:38 | jacques | anyone going to linuxworld in sfo in aug? |
| 23:36:46 | Russ|werk | that be a lot easier than ols |
| 23:39:50 | file | hello prpplague |
| 23:46:25 | prpplague | file: howdy |
| 23:46:37 | mallum_tv | hey |
| 23:46:45 | prpplague | loves scaring the sh#$ out of telemarketers |
| 23:52:01 | prpplague | begins dis-assembly of his ipaq |
| 23:52:43 | | BZFlag was last seen on #ols 1 hours, 33 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: sure. thanx. [Mon Jul 1 23:19:36 2002] |
| 23:52:44 | prpplague | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 23:59:45 | andersee | prpplague: how do you scare the telemarketers? |