| 02:00:12 | Sammy | hi~~~ |
| 02:35:17 | cpenguin_home | evening everybody |
| 02:36:09 | jacques | hi cpenguin_home |
| 02:49:36 | cpenguin_home | Doh - I forgot to vote today |
| 04:36:56 | Austin | Yey, flashed a blob without a serial console. Guess I need a JTAG dongle now. |
| 04:56:56 | Russ | ? |
| 04:57:00 | Russ | I'm confused |
| 05:31:38 | Austin | This is my assumption, at least, being that I get no output on the console at any reasonable bitrate. |
| 05:39:01 | Joelw | Austin: Which version of the blob did you use? |
| 05:48:25 | Russ | Austin: did you reblob before flashing |
| 05:52:04 | Austin | 2.0.5-pre2, and no, I merely rebooted. |
| 05:52:55 | Austin | (After flashing, of course.) |
| 05:56:46 | Russ | .... |
| 05:56:56 | Russ | you always want to reblob, then download again, then flash... |
| 05:57:02 | Austin | Oh? |
| 05:57:08 | Russ | did you try 9600 and 115200? |
| 05:57:11 | Austin | Yep. |
| 05:57:50 | Austin | Anyhow, why is this? =) |
| 05:57:54 | Russ | did you quit minicom between each try |
| 05:58:03 | Russ | that way, if you reblob, you can test it |
| 05:58:06 | Austin | I was using Hyperterminal at the time, but yes. |
| 05:58:17 | Russ | might try with minicom |
| 05:58:22 | Russ | garbage is better than nothing |
| 05:58:33 | Austin | will reboot and have a go with qtalk. |
| 05:58:42 | Joelw | I used the blob from the v0.6 directory and after I rebooted it doesn't do anything under Minicom or screen |
| 05:59:02 | | well, which one is in my rootfs? |
| 05:59:02 | Russ | Joelw: which one? |
| 05:59:10 | Russ | and are you at 115200? |
| 05:59:16 | | Russ: what? |
| 05:59:16 | Russ | ibot: thats funny |
| 05:59:41 | Joelw | http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.6/http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.6/blob-20020621 |
| 05:59:52 | Joelw | Oops, ignore the first bit of that. |
| 06:00:05 | Joelw | Yes, tried a few different speeds. |
| 06:00:15 | Russ | using what term? |
| 06:00:23 | Russ | and did you check the md5sum before flashing? |
| 06:00:41 | Joelw | Yes, I checked it. It's not because that blob is 41K, is it? |
| 06:00:58 | Joelw | Whatever the default term was. |
| 06:01:21 | Russ | default term of what? |
| 06:01:40 | Joelw | Minicom. I also tried using screen /dev/ttyS0 without any success. |
| 06:01:54 | Russ | did you have flow control turned off? |
| 06:01:58 | Joelw | Yep! |
| 06:02:17 | Russ | did you also try 9600? |
| 06:02:32 | Joelw | Yes, and 38400. |
| 06:02:52 | Russ | did you quit minicom between tries? |
| 06:03:16 | Joelw | Yes, and I power cycled the Tuxscreen between tries too. |
| 06:03:40 | Russ | so when you do md5sum blob-20020621, you get... |
| 06:04:07 | Austin | Nope, it's dead, Jim. Nothing from qtalk. |
| 06:04:14 | Russ | Austin: what about minicom |
| 06:04:23 | Joelw | Hmm, it was the same as the .md5sum on the Web site before I uploaded it. |
| 06:04:26 | Austin | I won't compile here, not without a lot of hacking. |
| 06:04:38 | Austin | Would you like me to grab a multimeter and graph the current? =) |
| 06:05:18 | Russ | 6b17fafcdb93f8dcc9cdd1f60406f206? |
| 06:05:18 | Russ | Austin: you don't have distro packages? |
| 06:05:37 | Russ | Joelw: when you were flashing blob, did you also flash the ramdisk |
| 06:05:37 | Austin | You mean the precompiled images from v0.6/? |
| 06:05:47 | Russ | Austin: I mean minicom |
| 06:06:10 | Austin | To my knowledge, nobody's compiled/packaged it for QNX. |
| 06:06:25 | Russ | ah, didn't know you were on qnx |
| 06:06:26 | Joelw | Russ: That's right. No, I followed the InstallingLinux instructions that said to do c D!blob F!all and then reboot. |
| 06:06:41 | Russ | Joelw: ah, so this is a completely fresh install |
| 06:06:59 | Austin | Is a serial console supposed to be enabled for a default compile? |
| 06:07:05 | Russ | Austin: yes |
| 06:07:11 | Austin | Then that is odd. |
| 06:07:17 | Joelw | Russ: Yes, just unpacked it. |
| 06:07:21 | Russ | Austin:you are getting garbage though |
| 06:07:40 | Austin | I don't appear to be getting ASCII. =) |
| 06:07:42 | Russ | Joelw: you sure you have rts/cts turned off? |
| 06:08:02 | Austin | In fact, the terminal isn't reporting anything at all. |
| 06:08:10 | Austin | tries a hex dump. |
| 06:08:49 | Joelw | Russ: Yes, both flow control settings in Minicom were turned off. |
| 06:09:55 | Russ | you have the correct serial port? |
| 06:10:23 | Joelw | Yep :) It was eia0 in inferno (which worked) and ttyS0 |
| 06:10:49 | Russ | loopback test to ttyS1? |
| 06:10:53 | Austin | Nope, the only time I get random garbage is when I unplug the power supply. |
| 06:12:06 | Russ | not when you plug in the supply? |
| 06:12:32 | Austin | No. =) |
| 06:12:34 | Austin | For the record: |
| 06:12:35 | Austin | -rwxr-xr-x 1 austin staff 33060 Jun 25 23:33 blob |
| 06:12:41 | Austin | Which seems reasonable. |
| 06:12:48 | Russ | so why does joelw have something that is 41k |
| 06:12:52 | Austin | Is is larger than 32k, but then, so is the one I *was* using it. |
| 06:13:00 | Austin | Joel's using the precompiled one, no? |
| 06:13:07 | Russ | er, right |
| 06:13:08 | Joelw | Austin: Yes, the one off the web site |
| 06:13:12 | Austin | -1s/it\.$// |
| 06:13:42 | Austin | Come to think of it, that was a pretty mangled sentence, but you get the idea. |
| 06:13:44 | Austin | Anyhow. |
| 06:14:09 | Austin | I'm tempted to chalk it up as a bad compile and just order a dongle. |
| 06:14:21 | Austin | Because it isn't giving me anything whatsoever. |
| 06:14:52 | Russ | 65536 is the max size |
| 06:15:16 | Austin | nods. |
| 06:15:36 | Austin | I wasn't having problems with the precompiled one, which was larger than that. |
| 06:15:44 | Austin | ("That" being my image.) |
| 06:17:22 | Austin | It is comforting to know that there *is* a JTAG dongle. On most of my previous projects I'd be handing it off to a hardware engineer. |
| 06:17:43 | Austin | Then again, it was because I knew I had an out that I took the risk in reflashing an unknown image. |
| 06:17:48 | Russ | I can test the version you compiled here |
| 06:17:51 | Russ | if you send it to me |
| 06:17:56 | Austin | Sure, thanks. |
| 06:18:06 | Austin | http://www.austinhair.org/download/blob |
| 06:21:11 | Russ | yah, that blob doesn't do anything |
| 06:21:18 | Austin | Ick. =) |
| 06:21:21 | Austin | Ahh well. |
| 06:21:23 | Russ | did you compile it on QNX? |
| 06:21:26 | Austin | No, Linux. |
| 06:21:46 | Austin | I didn't want to wrestle with an ARM toolchain in a flakey build environment. =) |
| 06:21:51 | | it has been said that gcc is evil |
| 06:21:51 | Russ | what gcc? |
| 06:22:18 | Russ | no more comments from the peanut gallery |
| 06:22:19 | Austin | 3.1 |
| 06:22:25 | Russ | eeehh... |
| 06:22:40 | Russ | don't know if its been tested with 3.1 |
| 06:22:55 | Russ | test blob-20020621, and that works |
| 06:23:02 | Austin | The buildroot package downloaded it, so I went with it. |
| 06:23:29 | Russ | I'll have to check with andersee and erikm on that |
| 06:23:33 | Austin | nods. |
| 06:23:53 | Austin | Well, thanks for the help, but it was just as I suspected. |
| 06:23:58 | Austin | Le sigh. =) |
| 06:24:49 | Austin | notes to take the extra step and reblob in the future. |
| 06:32:43 | Joelw | Russ: Hmm.. I'll make up the cable for JTAG and have another fiddle. Thanks! |
| 06:33:04 | Russ | I really think you don't need jtag, just a little coaxing |
| 06:33:12 | Russ | no reason that it shouldn't come up |
| 06:33:25 | Joelw | Oh right. Perhaps I'll try it under Hyperterminal instead, then. |
| 06:34:21 | Russ | just being optimistic |
| 06:36:59 | Joelw | Optimism is always good :) I'll have another poke around with it. |
| 06:38:47 | Russ | I know why austins doesn't work |
| 06:38:53 | Russ | because the binary is broken |
| 06:39:04 | Russ | I don't know any reason why yours shouldn't |
| 06:39:18 | Russ | did you double check that all sectors were unlocked? |
| 06:39:25 | Russ | because a 42k blob crosses a sector boundry |
| 06:39:28 | Joelw | The only thing I can think of was that I didn't get any particular garbage after it flashed it. |
| 06:39:44 | Joelw | Yes- they were all 0, although curiously I only needed to unlock it once. |
| 06:39:59 | Russ | did you unplug 12V and check again? |
| 06:42:04 | Joelw | Well, I did P/u 0, applied the 12V, unapplied it, and then checked it. |
| 06:43:24 | Russ | hmm |
| 06:43:30 | Russ | thats the way to do it |
| 06:44:40 | Joelw | Is it usually worth rebooting at that point to verify, or does it normally work? |
| 06:45:16 | Russ | I've done two by the process you described, no problems |
| 06:49:09 | Russ | anyway, I need to sleep now |
| 06:57:19 | Joelw | Okay, thanks for your help! |
| 10:27:12 | CaCtus491 | evening |
| 10:27:25 | CaCtus491 | ..what are the screens like these things? |
| 10:42:02 | ctr | is away: brb |
| 10:52:22 | ctr | is back (gone 00:10:20) |
| 14:22:18 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:17:52) |
| 14:22:20 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 14:22:48 | BZFlagOLS | moin |
| 14:33:30 | mallum | hello CosmicPenguin, BZFlagOLS |
| 14:33:37 | mallum | oo, OLS is on now ? |
| 14:34:24 | BZFlagOLS | yep |
| 14:34:33 | mallum | any good ? |
| 14:34:47 | mallum | so far ? |
| 14:48:37 | BZFlagOLS | slow so far |
| 14:51:03 | mallum | :( |
| 14:51:11 | mallum | busy though ? |
| 14:56:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: and we're stuck here... ( |
| 14:58:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you there too ? |
| 15:04:16 | sjhill-ols | eep |
| 15:04:30 | sjhill-ols | BZFlagOLS: which session are you in? |
| 15:10:54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: no |
| 15:11:01 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: thats why I said I am stuck here |
| 15:11:08 | CosmicPenguin | is very annoyed |
| 15:13:08 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 15:13:27 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah, bit of a major trek for me though :( |
| 15:14:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: true |
| 19:50:38 | ntropy | hey |
| 19:50:59 | ntropy | with the blob installed, the serial console is the only thing that displays output, correct? |
| 19:55:05 | Austin | Typically, yes. |
| 19:58:03 | ntropy | k |
| 19:58:24 | ntropy | well, seems i only have a male-male serial cable |
| 19:58:32 | ntropy | so guess i'm going to have to take a trip to radio shack |
| 19:59:55 | Austin | What? You don't have the equipment required to make one? What kind of elite hacker are you? |
| 20:00:03 | ntropy | oh, i do. |
| 20:00:13 | ntropy | but i trip to radio shack would just be a much better use of my time |
| 20:00:18 | Austin | Heheh. |
| 20:00:23 | Austin | But not your money. ;) |
| 20:00:37 | ntropy | true |
| 20:15:47 | CosmicPenguin | Woo-hoo! I am cablemodeming over here... :) |
| 20:16:06 | CosmicPenguin | grumbles -- its about time |
| 20:16:16 | prpplague_ols | CosmicPenguin: congrads |
| 20:16:29 | prpplague_ols | CosmicPenguin: you'll the newest target of script kiddies |
| 20:16:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague_ols: how is the confrence? |
| 20:16:49 | prpplague_ols | good |
| 20:17:02 | prpplague_ols | we are in a session now on kernel coding styles |
| 20:18:09 | file | waves to prpplague |
| 20:21:17 | Russ|werk | hey andersee |
| 20:21:42 | Russ|werk | prpplague_ols: hard tabs, k&r? |
| 20:21:44 | file | Russ! |
| 20:21:51 | andersee | Russ|werk: howdy |
| 20:22:17 | prpplague_ols | Russ|werk: ya, and other naming conventions |
| 20:22:44 | BZFlagOLS | andersee: heya. this one's fun. you would enjoy it. |
| 20:22:57 | andersee | prpplague_ols: having fun up in the great white north? |
| 20:23:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague_ols: bring em on |
| 20:23:05 | CosmicPenguin | remember to turn off inetd |
| 20:23:07 | andersee | BZFlagOLS: Yeah, I bet! |
| 20:23:24 | file | prpplague_ols : seen Steven Hill yet? |
| 20:23:26 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - now bring 'em on... :) |
| 20:23:26 | prpplague_ols | andersee: ya its pretty good |
| 20:23:32 | andersee | BZFlagOLS: Of course, then my wife would divorce me for abandoning her with the kids... ;) |
| 20:23:42 | Russ|werk | file: ya, bascially just send the money |
| 20:23:53 | file | Russ|werk: goody |
| 20:28:46 | CosmicPenguin | ok - time to go back to work, or someting |
| 20:29:09 | cpenguin_home-- | is away: I'm at work, talk to CosmicPenguin |
| 20:29:21 | BZFlagOLS | file: steve was here a while ago. don't know where he is now. |
| 20:29:31 | file | BZFlagOLS: k |
| 20:29:39 | file | BZFlagOLS: Did he bring his Nino's? |
| 20:32:02 | file | wb Russ |
| 20:34:47 | file | bbl |
| 20:38:09 | BZFlagOLS | file: I fogot to ask. |
| 20:45:51 | CosmicPenguin | hello again |
| 20:57:39 | andersee | hello |
| 21:08:36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: how are things? |
| 21:08:51 | andersee | Not too bad... |
| 22:46:37 | CosmicPenguin | Back to the old school - new window manager is FVWM |
| 22:55:33 | bl00mie | i think i have a hardware problem on my tux-screen |
| 22:55:48 | bl00mie | flashing the linux image took _forever_ |
| 22:55:56 | bl00mie | literally 20ish hours |
| 22:56:07 | Russ|werk | using which blob? |
| 22:56:23 | bl00mie | it boots, but crashes due to some error like "ran out of memory" |
| 22:56:46 | bl00mie | i don't really remember, i did it in february and then school got tough, so i put it in a box til about 2 days ago =) |
| 22:57:02 | bl00mie | i just thought i'd ask around before wasting hours of my time |
| 22:57:08 | jacques | which image did you try to flash? |
| 22:57:25 | bl00mie | microwindows, i think |
| 22:57:42 | bl00mie | a buddy of mine used the same one and it worked fine |
| 22:57:50 | bl00mie | he said it didn't take more than an hour to flash |
| 22:58:22 | bl00mie | i suppose i should gather a bit more info and come back |
| 22:58:25 | jacques | which took the most time - downloading to tux or flashing? |
| 22:58:34 | andersee | hey BZFlag havin' fun? |
| 22:58:49 | bl00mie | downloading, as i recall |
| 22:59:06 | Russ|werk | probably due to old flash bug |
| 22:59:20 | bl00mie | perhaps, though i think i used the same blob that my friend did |
| 22:59:30 | Russ|werk | you might try blob-20020621 |
| 22:59:33 | bl00mie | which i downloaded in february |
| 22:59:39 | jacques | maybe your serial connection is slow for some reason? |
| 22:59:49 | Russ|werk | be sure to flash it, then reboot, then download a new ramdisk and flash it |
| 22:59:54 | bl00mie | i used 115200 |
| 22:59:58 | bl00mie | on 2 different machines |
| 23:00:07 | jacques | if serial conn was bad, tere could be tons of resends |
| 23:00:31 | jacques | are you downlading nuder linux or windows? |
| 23:00:37 | bl00mie | yeah, but then, why would it boot, give me a prompt and then crash |
| 23:00:44 | bl00mie | one of each |
| 23:01:10 | bl00mie | (clarification: i tried both) |
| 23:01:35 | jacques | nod |
| 23:01:37 | bl00mie | i thought perhaps there was some hardware problem, like with the memory perhaps |
| 23:01:52 | Russ|werk | like I said, try the new, improved blob |
| 23:01:57 | bl00mie | i will |
| 23:02:08 | jacques | is your SODIMM properly seated? |
| 23:02:18 | bl00mie | i _believe_ so |
| 23:02:31 | bl00mie | though, the right side isn't firmly latched.. it wiggles a little |
| 23:02:40 | bl00mie | but i poked around and connections seem to be made |
| 23:02:48 | jacques | nod |
| 23:03:03 | jacques | well I would take Russ|werk's advice - try new blob first |
| 23:03:10 | bl00mie | yeah |
| 23:03:19 | bl00mie | alright, thanks guys |
| 23:03:42 | Russ|werk | there was a bug that could make flashing take forever |
| 23:03:57 | bl00mie | intermittently? |
| 23:04:08 | bl00mie | like, same blob, 2 tuxes, one wokrs one doesn't? |
| 23:04:15 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 23:04:20 | bl00mie | alright |
| 23:04:25 | bl00mie | i'll definately give that a shot |
| 23:04:55 | bl00mie | oh, for anyone that's interested, I've been trying to get a pcmcia smart card reader working on my linux-iPaq |
| 23:05:04 | bl00mie | and finally succeeded |
| 23:05:11 | bl00mie | there was a driver problem |
| 23:05:29 | bl00mie | i'm gonna send the patch to the guy that maintains the driver at muscle |
| 23:06:06 | bl00mie | (iPaq uses the sa-1100 proc too, so the patch would probably fix it for the tux-screen, too) |
| 23:07:47 | jacques | bl00mie: coool |
| 23:08:24 | bl00mie | i'd never really gotten my hands dirty in a driver before |
| 23:08:35 | bl00mie | i installed linux for the first time about a year ago |
| 23:08:42 | bl00mie | i kinda like it, though |
| 23:08:43 | bl00mie | =) |
| 23:08:53 | bl00mie | thanks again |
| 23:08:54 | bl00mie | bye |