| 00:24:29 | Russ|werk | andersee: still working at it? |
| 00:28:02 | TomW | jacques: bah! |
| 00:30:07 | jacques | TomW: hi, what's up? |
| 00:38:52 | TomW | jacques: I shouldn't have even started working on anything today. I should have taken the day off.. |
| 00:40:07 | scanline | is away: writing PIC assembly |
| 00:48:22 | jacques | TomW: bad day? :-\ |
| 00:49:53 | TomW | jacques: yeah, been workin all day on a customer's box that I pulled yesterday. Call me STUPID, but I decided to stick debian on it (it was Mandrake). |
| 00:50:57 | andersee | TomW: sounds reasonable. :) |
| 00:51:02 | TomW | jacques: Well... I suppose the only way I am going to get to know debian is to put it on "something". |
| 00:51:31 | jacques | TomW: so far sounds reasonable :-) |
| 00:51:41 | Russ|werk | TomW: you are just learning debian? |
| 00:51:55 | TomW | Russ: yup. |
| 00:52:10 | Russ|werk | TomW: if you need help, let us know |
| 00:52:20 | Russ|werk | I've done tons of debian installs, even on an alpha |
| 00:52:27 | TomW | Russ: lot simpler than I thought, in many ways. Just have to find the "ways". ;-) |
| 00:52:47 | Russ|werk | apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg, dpkg-*, and maybe aptitude |
| 00:53:26 | TomW | Russ: I finally figured out how to get the latest stuff on the Tux: install base2_2.tgz, then point /etc/apt/sources.list to woody instead of stable. |
| 00:53:42 | Russ|werk | TomW: actually |
| 00:53:56 | Russ|werk | do to dists/woody/disks-arm/current/lart |
| 00:54:11 | Russ|werk | I think wookey did that one |
| 00:54:20 | Russ|werk | base2_2.tgz is kind of a pain |
| 00:54:45 | TomW | Russ: Tried the Lart stuff, the IR keyboard won't work. |
| 00:54:59 | Russ|werk | well, you don't have to use the kernel there I don't think |
| 00:55:07 | Russ|werk | the kernel would be a lart kernel |
| 00:57:19 | TomW | Russ: I booted off the Tux kernel, then did a pivot root into the lart install image. |
| 00:57:33 | Russ|werk | and the keyboard stopped working? |
| 00:57:38 | Russ|werk | er |
| 00:57:38 | TomW | Yes |
| 00:57:52 | Russ|werk | why even use the keyboard, I would have done it over serial console |
| 00:58:34 | TomW | I fiddled with inittab a bit and couldn't get the serial console working right away. So, that is where I left it. I boxed the Tux back up and took the afternoon off. |
| 00:58:51 | TomW | I have other work backed up right now. I'll tackle the problem again later. |
| 00:59:09 | Russ|werk | ah |
| 00:59:17 | Austin | Just out of curiosity, would it be fatal to connect one of the soldering pads underneath the memory module to a nearby PCB passthrough? |
| 00:59:33 | Austin | (I don't have a small enough soldering tip, and one of my connections is doing exactly that.) |
| 00:59:43 | Russ|werk | for what purpose? |
| 00:59:47 | andersee | Russ|werk: Hmpf. |
| 00:59:54 | andersee | Russ|werk: Kernel is still oopsing. |
| 01:00:01 | Russ|werk | andersee: figured |
| 01:00:09 | TomW | Austin: I use a Weller 40Watt iron with a TC201 handle... That big enough for you? |
| 01:00:14 | Russ|werk | did shannon.c ever compile for you? |
| 01:01:03 | Austin | Tom: it isn't bringing to mind any mental images, but regardless, I'm primarily concerned with frying my unit. =) |
| 01:01:20 | Austin | will try cleaning the connection up a bit. |
| 01:02:49 | andersee | Russ|werk: sure. |
| 01:03:00 | andersee | Russ|werk: Compiles fine. Just chokes. |
| 01:03:56 | TomW | Austin: 19guage wire is what I use and a conical tip on the iron. |
| 01:04:32 | TomW | Austin: you could use a 30ga. wire, not much current running through it. |
| 01:04:44 | Austin | Yeah. |
| 01:04:46 | Austin | I'm using 26 as it is. |
| 01:04:51 | Russ|werk | andersee: anyway to test rts/cts for me? |
| 01:05:08 | Austin | But my tip's a bit large, and it's difficult to keep the connection clean. |
| 01:05:17 | TomW | Austin: a Weller 150Watt gun is not recommended for PCB work.... ;-) |
| 01:05:55 | TomW | I need food... |
| 01:06:15 | TomW | ... just as soon as I get vmware working on this debian box.... |
| 01:06:23 | andersee | Russ|werk: I've got only one serial port on my tux |
| 01:06:46 | andersee | TomW: vmware 3.1 works just great on Debian... |
| 01:07:03 | Russ|werk | andersee: thats the serial port its for |
| 01:07:08 | TomW | andersee: just got the tarball this afternoon. thanks! |
| 01:08:41 | andersee | Russ|werk: hmmk. Lemme get back to a working kernel first though. |
| 01:14:21 | Austin | Well, despite still not knowing if these passthroughs go to anything, I think I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:15:05 | scanline | is back (gone 00:34:58) |
| 01:17:12 | Austin | ...okay, they go somewhere. Let me try this again. @_@ |
| 01:17:38 | scanline | is away: mini-LAN-party with gonkulator, mark, and Travis |
| 01:25:54 | Austin | took a grinder to his iron. |
| 01:25:58 | Austin | Let's try this again. |
| 01:30:05 | Russ|werk | Austin: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:39:05 | Austin | Unprotect flash. |
| 01:59:43 | Austin | w00t |
| 01:59:50 | Austin | I have succeeded. |
| 02:00:07 | Austin | Now onto blob. |
| 02:26:25 | Austin | Anyone have any idea how long it typically takes to transfer blob@9600bps? |
| 02:27:35 | Austin | If I have a brownout now, I'm going to be a fair bit irked. =) |
| 02:48:53 | Austin | Mmm. |
| 02:49:36 | Austin | TS' screen is now distorted, and flash isn't giving me anything. |
| 02:49:37 | prpplague_ | Austin: it should just a jiffy, |
| 02:49:49 | Austin | That isn't very comforting. =) |
| 02:49:51 | prpplague_ | Austin: not more that couple of minutes |
| 02:50:03 | Austin | It's been about twenty, and see above regarding the screen. |
| 02:50:32 | Austin | supposes he should try power cycling it. =/ |
| 02:50:45 | prpplague_ | good luck |
| 02:51:02 | Austin | Thanks. |
| 02:53:39 | Austin | Nothing. Nice. |
| 02:55:28 | Austin | Which makes me wonder: how did this happen? |
| 02:55:46 | Austin | Unless... |
| 02:55:58 | Austin | boots back into QNX. |
| 02:56:32 | prpplague_ | congrads |
| 02:56:55 | Austin | Does it return a message on success? |
| 02:57:03 | Austin | Because my inferno session just hung completely. |
| 02:57:38 | Austin | hauls into another room and pops it on a linux machine. |
| 02:58:02 | prpplague_ | heads to bed |
| 02:58:16 | prpplague_ | need sleep to deal with insane mangment types tomorrow |
| 02:58:24 | Austin | Ni-- |
| 04:01:28 | Austin | Well, fortunately, blob was loaded successfully. |
| 04:28:20 | jacques | cool |
| 04:30:32 | Austin | Yeah -- unfortunately, I'm having serious issues compiling minicom, due to the broken build environment and/or minicom's lack of ability to cope. |
| 04:36:48 | ][N-Flux | is away: Nap time... |
| 05:03:37 | Austin | Well, it looks like the wiki docs are sadly out of date, because the version of blob seems to only handle xmodem sends. =) |
| 05:03:40 | Austin | Ahh well, so it is. |
| 05:04:48 | Austin | -1s/version of blob/version I just loaded of blob/ |
| 05:12:47 | scanline | is back (gone 03:55:09) |
| 05:16:31 | jacques | Austin: which version was that? 2.0.4 ? 2.0.5something ? |
| 05:27:54 | Austin | I don't have the bootup banner handy, but the filename is blob-20020501a, from /download/v0.6/ |
| 05:28:41 | Austin | 2.0.5-pre3 |
| 05:38:28 | TomW | Anyone know how to configure a mouse in Debian for X? |
| 05:39:57 | andersee | TomW: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config* |
| 05:40:20 | andersee | Or use the debconf based X configurator |
| 05:40:48 | TomW | ok? I'll byte, what is the name of said util? |
| 05:43:57 | andersee | As I recall, it just ran automagically when I installed X. Are you running woody/testing? |
| 05:46:07 | TomW | yes, Woody. |
| 05:46:52 | andersee | is debconf installed? |
| 05:47:38 | TomW | It is weird, I had a perfectly good mouse when I had fvwm95 loaded. Removed that and installed KDE, no it is broken. *sigh* time to remove KDE, go back to fvwm95, copy the config file someplace, then remove / install again. |
| 05:47:57 | TomW | andersee: yes, deconf is there. but,... |
| 05:49:28 | TomW | debconf is basically worthless. |
| 05:58:02 | jacques_gone | TomW: does X give error messages about the mouse? |
| 06:00:24 | TomW | essentially X closes saying that no mouse was found. |
| 06:01:40 | TomW | frustrating. I need the features that are in the Woody package: journaled file system, iptables (port redirection), KDE... |
| 06:11:11 | TomW | jacques_gone: aw the heck with it, I'll grab the tape tomorrow and restore the Mandrake system and fix the errors on that. |
| 06:29:29 | NextofReq | ps ax |
| 06:29:37 | NextofReq | iios |
| 06:29:40 | NextofReq | oops |
| 06:56:17 | NextofReq | bz: do you happen to know how the udhcpc support gets patched into pcmcia-cs? |
| 06:56:35 | NextofReq | (the /etc/pcmcia/network script, I mean) |
| 06:57:45 | BZFlag | hmm. I might search and replace pump or somthing I don't recall. |
| 06:58:09 | NextofReq | I've been grepping around and can't find any mention of it, either in the originals or the pcmcia.patch. |
| 06:58:41 | BZFlag | yeah. look in udhcp.mk |
| 06:58:53 | BZFlag | three perl search and replaces. |
| 06:59:24 | NextofReq | Ah, excellent. |
| 06:59:49 | NextofReq | udhcpc's switch for requested-hostname is -H, but the script is using -h. |
| 07:00:04 | BZFlag | ah. bummer that. |
| 07:01:11 | BZFlag | I'd suggest you change udhcpc instead. |
| 07:01:22 | NextofReq | So I was thinking. |
| 07:01:26 | BZFlag | dhcpcd and pump both use -h |
| 07:01:40 | NextofReq | -h seems to be the typical way of things. |
| 07:01:50 | BZFlag | agreed |
| 07:01:58 | NextofReq | Where should I send a patch? |
| 07:02:32 | BZFlag | andersee, me and Russ. or just the devel list. |
| 07:02:55 | NextofReq | righty-ho. thanks. |
| 07:03:43 | BZFlag | yep |
| 07:13:51 | Russ | what'd I do? |
| 07:14:08 | Russ | I should support -h and -H? |
| 07:14:15 | Russ | hmmm...I though -h would be help |
| 07:14:37 | Russ | BZFlag: could you put the new blob cvs in download? |
| 07:14:50 | Russ | the current (and past) versions have the possibity of bricking |
| 07:16:56 | NextofReq | -h is help in most cases. dhcpd and company seem to use -h, and only --help for help |
| 07:18:14 | NextofReq | Though since -h takes no options, spitting out the usage when no arg is present would more or less cover it. |
| 07:18:25 | NextofReq | s/no options/an option/ |
| 07:19:19 | Russ | hmm...as long as another option after -h wasn't taken as the hostname |
| 07:21:36 | NextofReq | I don't think getopt will help with that one. |
| 07:26:21 | BZFlag | Russ: has the new one been tested ok? I have not gotten to it yet. |
| 07:26:35 | BZFlag | oh, and you have sf upload permissions. ;-) |
| 07:39:19 | BZFlag | did anyone follow the jffs2/hh thread about the non-freeage of renamed file targets? |
| 07:39:58 | BZFlag | ie: if you have foo.txt and bar.txt and you do a "mv foo.txt bar.txt" the space for bar.txt is not freed. |
| 07:40:31 | BZFlag | dwmw2 has a fix in the hh tree and it's headed into kernels but I'm not shure which or when. |
| 07:41:36 | andersee | The release notes for 2.4.18-rmk7 mentioned a resync of the jffs2 code.... |
| 07:44:59 | BZFlag | hmm. not sure if that's new enough though cause dwmw2 said he had just synced recently. |
| 07:45:14 | BZFlag | it does not mention the mv/free bug explicitly right? |
| 07:45:40 | andersee | true |
| 08:02:29 | Russ | BZFlag: ya, andersee tested the code, I tested the code on my tuxscreen, and a few boards at work |
| 08:09:51 | BZFlag | ok, who's got a new tested binary to upload? |
| 08:10:01 | BZFlag | I've got a new untested one. ;-) |
| 08:11:23 | Russ | hmm...my copy of blob is slightly modified |
| 08:18:34 | BZFlag | andersee: I'm dcc impaired here. |
| 08:21:28 | andersee | BZFlag: emailed... |
| 08:21:55 | Russ | might send an md5sum along with that |
| 08:25:26 | BZFlag | 6b17fafcdb93f8dcc9cdd1f60406f206 tuxscreen-blob |
| 08:25:52 | andersee | $ md5sum tuxscreen-blob |
| 08:25:52 | andersee | 6b17fafcdb93f8dcc9cdd1f60406f206 tuxscreen-blob |
| 08:26:19 | BZFlag | yep. same byte per byte as the one I built here. you tested this exact binary yes? |
| 08:26:30 | andersee | yup |
| 08:26:39 | BZFlag | sweetness. uploading. |
| 08:26:53 | andersee | I did have some trouble with 2.4.19-rmk7-tux1 though |
| 08:27:09 | andersee | I'm currently running -rmk6-tux1 on my phone |
| 08:29:33 | BZFlag | uploaded as blob-20020621 |
| 08:29:50 | BZFlag | 19? |
| 08:29:50 | Russ | BZFlag: might put a readme to flash it *alone* |
| 08:30:06 | BZFlag | Russ: good idea |
| 08:30:08 | Russ | (ie, not flash blob, flash ramdisk) |
| 08:30:23 | Russ | thats what seems to bring out the bug in the old blob |
| 08:30:42 | andersee | err. |
| 08:31:05 | andersee | 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1... |
| 08:34:22 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.6/blob-20020621.txt <- good enough? |
| 12:41:01 | scanline | is away: ZzZzz..... |
| 16:01:48 | ntropy | anyone here built the shanip mod? |
| 16:35:32 | scanline | is back (gone 03:54:32) |
| 16:46:33 | | buildroot-tux is committing now for the new kernel as per andersee. old one is tagged kernel2_4_7... i shall make a post to the list |
| 16:46:33 | ntropy | ibot: where is buildroot-tux? |
| 16:46:48 | | bugger all, i dunno, ntropy |
| 16:46:48 | ntropy | ibot: where is buildroot? |
| 17:19:21 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 19:23:07 | Austin | Has anyone played with using an IR gamepad? =) |
| 19:31:57 | bhima | random question: PCMCIA reset foo: if I remove PCMCIA power and reconnect it, will that reset the card? |
| 19:32:55 | Zombie3 | bhima: you'd think :) |
| 19:33:11 | bhima | that's what I figure, yes, though the problem is there is power on other pins possibly. |
| 19:33:28 | bhima | really, more of a question is, will it make my cards unhappy? :) |
| 19:33:54 | bhima | cause PCMCIA seems designed to connect power first, what with the different pin lengths and what not. |
| 19:35:12 | bhima | I basically want to set up a mechanical design that would make it hard to get at the PCMCIA cards, and would have the device turning on and off frequently. |
| 19:35:16 | Zombie3 | that might be because of a safety concern. If you don't have mass connected and attach data, a potential differential might fry the ICs |
| 19:35:50 | Zombie3 | but if you leave that connected and just cut Vcc, I'd think you'd be quite safe |
| 19:57:37 | bhima | hrm. my DSL link has died. |
| 20:33:44 | bhima | hey tim. |
| 21:13:16 | prpplague | anyone here know about x86 pci devices? |
| 21:14:22 | polak | hello |
| 21:14:46 | bhima | prp: that doesn't seem very on-topic :) |
| 21:15:00 | polak | wanders what the difference in SA1100 vs. SA1110 is... |
| 21:16:06 | prpplague | bhima: no its not, however i find that this channel has a wide range of people who do embedded development |
| 21:16:51 | prpplague | bhima: in addition, this channel is often far more friendly and knowledgable about hardware issues than any other i've found on openprojects |
| 21:17:52 | bhima | hehhehe. I think that the tuxscreen prolly self-selects that kind of knowledge. |
| 21:18:22 | bhima | I know a bit about PCI, but not a lot. |
| 21:19:02 | prpplague | bhima: the pci device id is assigned from the manufacturer right? |
| 21:19:24 | bhima | AFAIK, yes, they can use any device ID they want. |
| 21:20:23 | prpplague | bhima: hmm, so if i wanted to check for a specific pci card, i could just read /proc/pci and look for the device id? |
| 21:20:38 | bhima | there's a manufacturer ID too. |
| 21:21:16 | polak | wanders which of the linux-inferno .gz he should pull from the FTP |
| 21:22:27 | prpplague | bhima: ok thanks, i'll check out that |
| 21:23:14 | prpplague | polak: getting everything running on linux inferno was just that(inferno=hell) |
| 21:23:34 | prpplague | polak: it took me forever, but best thing to do is check the wiki |
| 21:23:57 | prpplague | polak: there are several comments about special issues on getting linux inferno running to re-flash tuxscreen |
| 21:24:24 | polak | prpplague: thanx... I'lll check out WIKI... |
| 21:24:53 | polak | prpplague: do I need one of those JTAG doohikeys... or is that in case I realllly mess things up ? |
| 21:26:27 | prpplague | polak: thats only if something goes badly wrong with your procedure and you brick it.... |
| 21:29:59 | polak | right... that's what I though.... |
| 21:30:17 | polak | thinks... "What are the chances of me doing something stupid.... baaah.... don't need one... " :) |
| 21:30:41 | polak | prpplague: what kind of tricks have you got your tuxscreen doingn ? |
| 21:32:59 | prpplague | polak: mine have been made into development systems |
| 21:33:17 | prpplague | polak: for learning and developing arm based mobile products |
| 21:34:27 | polak | intends to use it as such as well... |
| 21:34:55 | Zombie3 | intends to turn his into a learning toy for his 8-month old. Colour touch screen, audio... |
| 21:34:57 | polak | prpplague: although I've given some serious though to try to implement an EFI system .... |
| 21:35:31 | polak | Zombie3: heheh... you KNOW you'll spend more time playing with it then your 8-year old! :) |
| 21:36:07 | Zombie3 | s/year/month/. No I won't. Reason I haven't gotten very far yet is because I enjoy playing with the kid more ;-) |
| 21:36:23 | prpplague | Zombie3: cool, i'm working on an easy to use paint program with pre-made coloring pictures |
| 21:37:09 | Zombie3 | she's a bit young for that, but in a year or so, it should be great fun :) |
| 21:37:27 | polak | month.. right... |
| 21:37:47 | polak | prpplague: paint-by-numbers you mean ? |
| 21:39:41 | prpplague | Zombie3: lol, thats what i mean, by then i _might_ have it finish, lol |
| 21:39:56 | prpplague | polak: yes i have a mode for that as well |
| 21:43:04 | polak | what's all2.3e-010122.gz ? |
| 21:44:26 | prpplague | polak: doesn't ring a bell with me |
| 22:14:59 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 22:15:12 | Hiraghm | only 150 left??? |
| 22:15:38 | Hiraghm | I saw on LinuxGames that BZFlag has a new version out. |
| 22:16:05 | | everyone is probably Disconnect |
| 22:16:05 | Hiraghm | ibot, where is everyone? |
| 22:16:42 | Hiraghm | I'll wait awhile to see if anyone wakes up, mkay? |
| 22:23:54 | bhima | yawns. |
| 22:30:29 | prpplague | Hiraghm: everyone is at the kernel summit or heading to OLS |
| 22:33:20 | Hiraghm | What's a kernel summit? what's an OLS? |
| 22:33:41 | Hiraghm | sorry, had to run to the garage real quick. 8c( |
| 22:34:02 | Hiraghm | (okay, I know *what* a kernel summit is, but nobody told me one was being held) |
| 22:38:16 | Hiraghm | So what's new on the tuxscreen front? |
| 22:39:59 | | rumour has it OLS is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.ottawalinuxsymposium.org/ or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/ |
| 22:39:59 | prpplague | ibot: OLS |
| 22:40:03 | bhima | I killed one of my power supply boards last week. but that gives me an excuse to make a new one :) |
| 22:40:56 | prpplague | Hiraghm: http://www.usenix.org/events/kernel02/ |
| 22:46:55 | Hiraghm | ahhhhh |
| 22:47:59 | Hiraghm | So what's new with the tuxscreen? I've been fafiated. They ever get the DSP working? |
| 23:05:06 | Austin | Is anyone using a precompiled arm-gcc-2.95.3? |
| 23:24:06 | polak | prpplague: I'm a volounteer.... a.k.a "bitch" at the summit... |
| 23:26:24 | polak | resides in Ottawa... |
| 23:35:19 | ntropy | Austin: i am |
| 23:35:22 | ntropy | Austin: i'm trying it now |
| 23:45:15 | ntropy | hm |
| 23:45:25 | ntropy | i think that buildroot is building the cross compiler |
| 23:48:57 | ntropy | hm. |
| 23:49:11 | ntropy | it build a arm-uclibc toolchain |