| 09:21:23 | bsin | hi room |
| 09:21:33 | bsin | any 1 who knows abt 802,11b ? |
| 09:50:54 | Tangent | bsin: A little |
| 09:50:59 | Tangent | bsin: What's the problem? |
| 10:20:00 | bsin | Tangent: you there? |
| 10:20:14 | Tangent | bsin: Yep |
| 10:20:31 | bsin | Tangent: tell me what level have you worked in 802.11 |
| 10:20:56 | Tangent | bsin: I've had my prsim2 based cards working on my laptop, iPAQ and Tuxscreen... |
| 10:21:04 | Tangent | bsin: Anything over and above that... |
| 10:21:07 | Tangent | not me |
| 10:21:38 | bsin | Tangent: do you know its working? |
| 10:21:47 | bsin | i mean principle |
| 10:22:39 | Tangent | I have a green LED on my cards which flashes when it's not associated with a basestation... Once that's lit up solidly, it's just a matter of ifconfig etc |
| 10:23:06 | bsin | is it so |
| 10:23:24 | bsin | you know how it gets connected over the air |
| 10:23:53 | bsin | Tangent: i mean do you know what exactly happens in the process of association |
| 10:24:14 | Tangent | Ah.. I understand what you're after... |
| 10:24:21 | Tangent | I have vague understanding... |
| 10:24:35 | bsin | Tangent: please tell me the frames and commands it negotiates while associating with the base station |
| 10:24:53 | Tangent | bsin: I'm afraid I don't know that stuff... |
| 10:24:58 | bsin | ok |
| 10:24:59 | Tangent | I know vaguely how DSS works.. |
| 10:25:06 | bsin | Tangent: will you do me a favoutr |
| 10:25:10 | bsin | favour |
| 10:25:11 | Tangent | bsin: Depends what it is |
| 10:25:14 | bsin | ok |
| 10:26:34 | Russ | back to the drawing board on amd flash |
| 10:26:47 | Tangent | Russ: What's the problem with AMD flash?? |
| 10:27:12 | Russ | Tangent: if you flash more than one thing before reseting, it goes really slow and blob gets screwed |
| 10:27:25 | Russ | I rewrote the flash driver hoping to fix the problem |
| 10:27:30 | Tangent | Russ: Weird... |
| 10:27:55 | Russ | but now I need to pull out my jtag hardware |
| 10:28:06 | Tangent | bsin: You going to ask this favour then? |
| 10:28:06 | bsin | Tangent: can you capture the names of the frames it negotiates while association |
| 10:28:20 | Russ | the new driver operates very differently, but has the same exacty problem |
| 10:28:29 | Tangent | bsin: Do you know how I'd do that? |
| 10:28:55 | bsin | Tangent: there should be a logging mechanism |
| 10:29:24 | bsin | Tangent: logging or putting the debugging on will do it i think |
| 10:30:41 | Tangent | fires up the laptop |
| 10:32:34 | Russ | o |
| 10:32:42 | Russ | oops, I wasn't running my new version of blob |
| 10:32:43 | Russ | my bad |
| 10:32:55 | Russ | grr |
| 10:32:57 | bsin | Tangent: what happened |
| 10:33:05 | Russ | oh well, hook up the dongle tomorrow |
| 10:33:28 | bsin | Russ: what are you talking abt |
| 10:33:30 | Tangent | bsin: Well.. so far, it's failing to talk to my access point... gotta debug that before I can capture frames for you |
| 10:33:40 | bsin | fine |
| 10:33:53 | bsin | Tangent: you are so nice |
| 10:34:03 | bsin | Tangent: i am waiting for you |
| 10:34:37 | Russ | bsin: bootloader stuff |
| 10:35:19 | bsin | Russ: ok |
| 10:37:12 | bsin | Russ:do you have any idea abt wireless stuff |
| 10:38:30 | bsin | Tangent: whats up? where are you now |
| 10:39:27 | Tangent | bsin: Trying to work out why my dhcp server has stopped serving me addresses |
| 10:39:40 | bsin | ok |
| 10:41:13 | Tangent | bsin: Hrm.. not my dhcp server... for some reason my laptop's stopped running pump when I plug the card in |
| 10:41:51 | bsin | Tangent: thats ok dear |
| 10:42:00 | bsin | Tangent: continue working |
| 10:42:15 | bsin | Tangent: mail me later if you end up getting trace |
| 10:42:25 | Tangent | bsin: How do I turn on debugging then? |
| 10:43:25 | bsin | Tangent: what platform is ur laptop runing |
| 10:43:40 | Tangent | bsin: Debian... using orinoco_cs driver for the card |
| 10:43:58 | Tangent | I can pass the debug parameter with wlan-ng, but not with orinoco_cs |
| 10:44:39 | bsin | Tangent: tell me do you have a gui to detect or associate ur card |
| 10:44:56 | Tangent | bsin: Nope... nothing except the default pcmcia-cs support |
| 10:45:01 | Tangent | bsin: Not even running X actually |
| 10:45:06 | bsin | ok |
| 10:45:26 | bsin | then how do you detect the accesspoint for ur card |
| 10:46:18 | bsin | Tangent: i mean scanning for other 802 devices in the vicinity? |
| 10:47:57 | bsin | Tangent: you thee |
| 10:47:58 | bsin | ? |
| 10:48:11 | bsin | Tangent: what s wrong? |
| 10:48:46 | Tangent | bsin: I don't detect it... I know what it is, where it is, what the ssid should be, and what the wep keys are |
| 10:49:11 | Tangent | bsin: I only use my card with one access point so far |
| 10:49:49 | bsin | Tangent: so you give the command via the command promp |
| 10:50:15 | Tangent | bsin: No.. I enter my settings in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts ... The rest happens automagically |
| 10:51:02 | bsin | Tangent: ok |
| 10:51:15 | bsin | Tangent: then do one thing .... |
| 10:51:43 | bsin | open another terminal and give the following command |
| 10:51:57 | bsin | tail -20 /var/log/messages |
| 10:52:30 | bsin | now come to the original window (dont close the previous window) |
| 10:53:03 | bsin | now try to start all over again with the process of connection |
| 10:53:12 | bsin | Tangent: got me> |
| 10:53:15 | bsin | ? |
| 10:53:18 | Tangent | bsin: I presume you mean tail -f |
| 10:54:08 | bsin | Tangent: tail -f will do |
| 10:55:45 | Tangent | bsin: You're not going to like these results... |
| 10:55:57 | Tangent | has to type this in... |
| 10:56:30 | bsin | Tangent: what happened |
| 10:56:40 | Tangent | cardmgr[315]: sockket 0: Compat WL100 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter |
| 10:56:54 | Tangent | cardmgr[315]: executing 'modprobe hermes' |
| 10:57:00 | Tangent | cardmgr[315]: executing 'modprobe orinoco' |
| 10:57:03 | Tangent | cardmgr[315]: executing 'modprobe orinoco_cs' |
| 10:57:10 | Tangent | cardmgr[315]: executing ./network start eth1 |
| 10:57:12 | Tangent | That's it |
| 10:58:10 | bsin | see "dmesg" |
| 10:58:39 | Tangent | Ok.. after it loaded orinoco_cs |
| 10:58:57 | Tangent | eth1: Station identity ABCD:1234:0000:0008 |
| 10:59:10 | Tangent | eth1 : Looks like an Intersil firmware version 0.08 |
| 10:59:22 | Tangent | eth1 : Ad-hoc demo mode supported |
| 10:59:38 | Tangent | eth1 : IEEE standaard IBSS ad-hoc mode supported. |
| 10:59:52 | Tangent | eth1 : WEp supported, "128"-bit key. |
| 11:00:11 | Tangent | eth1 : MAC address 00:70:34:46:B9:9E |
| 11:00:20 | Tangent | eth1 : Station name "Priam I" |
| 11:00:25 | Tangent | eth1: ready |
| 11:00:42 | Tangent | eth1 : index 0x01: Vcc 3.3, irq 3, io 0x0100-0x013f |
| 11:01:04 | Tangent | That's it |
| 11:03:16 | bsin | Tangent: thanx indeed boss |
| 11:03:44 | bsin | Tangent: that does'nt solve my purpose but still a great try Tangent |
| 11:04:05 | bsin | Tangent: my email id is balvinders@aftek.com |
| 11:04:17 | bsin | and urs? |
| 11:08:35 | Tangent | bsin: jim@secret.org.uk |
| 11:09:22 | bsin | Tangent: which firm do you work for? |
| 11:10:05 | Tangent | bsin: I'm out of work at the moment |
| 11:10:13 | Tangent | bsin: I'm a contractor |
| 11:11:28 | bsin | bye i will mail you later |
| 11:11:37 | bsin | bye |
| 11:11:45 | bsin | you also keep mailing me |
| 11:11:57 | bsin | keep a note of the email address i gave you |
| 11:12:41 | bsin | Tangent: bye |
| 11:13:08 | Tangent | bsin: later |
| 12:21:58 | TomW | Anyone tried compiling Mozilla 1.0 for ARM? |
| 13:04:54 | TomW | GPSFan: good morning! |
| 13:21:01 | GPSFan | TomW: good morning, |
| 13:22:41 | GPSFan | I reviewed ibot's logs for 4/2-4/5 and we had an interesting conversation regarding RAS swapping and memory issues. (glad ibot remembers) |
| 13:25:13 | TomW | just restarting the freakin' ISDN on a customer machine, brb. |
| 13:27:34 | TomW | now I personally know why ISDN was never a contender here in the US, it is sooooooo fragile! |
| 13:29:01 | GPSFan | I had ISDN for about 4 years, it worked ok once the local telco fixed the line noise problems. But the hardware and connection reliability were low compared to what I'v got today. |
| 13:31:07 | TomW | ok, the emergency is over. :-/ |
| 13:32:38 | TomW | yeah, dsl is so much more reliable. We have two DSL installations under linux (ppp_oa & ppp_oe), both are very reliable. The ISDN is a four channel setup (4 * 64Kbs) and it is nothing but a headache. |
| 13:33:59 | file | what about pptp? |
| 13:34:35 | GPSFan | I can imagine, I never did get bonding to work properly. I stopped trying when my ISP decided to charge for the second channel, ;>(, the telco always did. |
| 13:38:10 | TomW | Well, I am using a set of cards, NetSpider, from an ozzie outfit. They also had patches to the 2.2 kernel to implement the cards. The only choise that we have right now is the ISDN, they claim DSL / Cable modem sometime near the end of the year. Yeah, I've heard that before... |
| 13:39:05 | TomW | heh, I am compiling Mozilla 1.0 on the Tux right now. It will be interesting to see if it finishes out and I get a working binary.. |
| 13:41:27 | GPSFan | I have a pseudo homegrown fixed wireless installiation. Small local ISP, ~250 customers 30 of which are wireless. I am at 2.5 miles, the longest run is about 10miles. All Linux shop. |
| 13:41:46 | TomW | The tux is for my sister and she uses HotMail, so I need a really good browser for the thing. I may put another IDE powered Tux together for my Mom to use.. |
| 13:42:21 | TomW | GPSFan: what do they use? DSL? |
| 13:42:50 | GPSFan | they have a T1 with Quest |
| 13:43:11 | GPSFan | Our local telco doesn't believe in DSL. |
| 13:43:20 | TomW | bummer. |
| 13:43:45 | TomW | So, you slog along with your 56K |
| 13:43:53 | GPSFan | yea, but most of the customers are way beyond the DSL limits. |
| 13:44:03 | GPSFan | No, I get 450Kbps. |
| 13:44:14 | TomW | neat, how you do that, eh? |
| 13:44:28 | TomW | frame relay? |
| 13:44:29 | GPSFan | Proxim RL2 radios |
| 13:45:25 | GPSFan | The T1 used to be FR, but just switched to Quest and I think it is CHDLC |
| 13:45:27 | file | ooh |
| 13:45:32 | TomW | really!? They offer that speed? The RF bandwidth on those things must be huge, maybe 10MHz or more. IIRC 19200 requires about 100KHz of RF bandwidth. |
| 13:46:23 | TomW | er, maybe it was 50KHz for 19200, I don't recall the formulas right now. |
| 13:46:31 | file | on the Cybiko it gets 19200bps per channel, 30 channels available |
| 13:46:48 | GPSFan | it operates at 2.4GHz and does fast freq hopping. the radio data rate is up to 1.6Mbps. I have clocked my radio to radio speed at ~1mbps |
| 13:47:23 | file | what's the frequency range for 2.4GHz, that devices can use? |
| 13:47:39 | TomW | yeah, that is the only way they are going to find any RF spectrum capable of supporting a wide channel: 2.4GHz and above. |
| 13:47:50 | GPSFan | it operates in the same band as 802.11b 2400-2500 more or less. |
| 13:48:01 | TomW | file: 2.4-2.6GHz |
| 13:48:01 | file | uh huh |
| 13:48:07 | file | I know 900 is 902-928MHz |
| 13:48:34 | TomW | IIRC microwave ovens operate at 2.2GHz |
| 13:48:44 | file | scary |
| 13:48:55 | TomW | They used to be at 2.4GHz |
| 13:49:08 | file | I have a chart around... |
| 13:49:15 | GPSFan | they have minor interference with 2.4GHz cordless phones, but usually the directional antennas solve that problem |
| 13:49:42 | TomW | ... or you get a newer oven! |
| 13:50:37 | TomW | spend $25 for that new 2.4GHz wireless phone and replace a $200 oven so you can use it. Are we technology happy or what? :D |
| 13:50:49 | GPSFan | lol... |
| 13:51:13 | TomW | *phhft* crazy |
| 13:51:18 | Morn | is away: breakfast |
| 13:51:26 | TomW | shrugs |
| 13:51:48 | TomW | As long as the consumer is convinced that they need it, we keep our jobs. |
| 13:51:51 | GPSFan | mmm donuts ;>) |
| 13:52:02 | TomW | Morn: what's for breakfast? |
| 13:52:23 | TomW | Morn: tea & toast? |
| 13:53:04 | file | found it! |
| 13:53:05 | file | http://members.shaw.ca/geckobeach/freq2.gif |
| 13:53:12 | file | Satellite TV is 4-6GHz |
| 13:53:32 | GPSFan | C Band |
| 13:54:22 | TomW | GPSFan: you have any trouble with path-fade during hot days in the summer? |
| 13:54:56 | GPSFan | file: here is a real chart... http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf |
| 13:55:00 | file | *sigh* |
| 13:55:05 | file | oh no, not PDF |
| 13:55:40 | file | #include "juice.h" |
| 13:55:40 | TomW | We had a 900MHz Ham radio link that went over a hayfield and in the summer, the heat coming off the field would shift (refract) the microwave beam enough to cause it to fail. |
| 13:55:44 | file | looks for juice |
| 13:55:56 | GPSFan | TomW: not that we have noticed, not in snow either. We have had a few radio failures (lightning) and an antenna failure H2O |
| 13:55:56 | file | interesting |
| 13:56:30 | TomW | Interesting, any idea how much RF power they are shoving out the antenna? |
| 13:56:56 | TomW | 18 or 24 inch dish? |
| 13:57:46 | GPSFan | most of the radios are 500mw, some 100mw, some (PCMCIA) are 50mw. the worst antenna is the PCMCIA , the best a 24db gain dish. |
| 13:58:35 | TomW | 24db should be a small dish then, 12 / 14 inch. |
| 13:58:40 | GPSFan | the omni sites use 10db antennas, the customers usually have 15,18,21, or 24db dishes. |
| 13:58:49 | file | that's odd, my Cybiko is receiving a stray signal I believe |
| 13:59:12 | TomW | file: how much did you have to pay in Custom to get it out of hock? |
| 13:59:12 | Morn | is back (gone 00:07:55) |
| 13:59:25 | TomW | Morn: tea & toast? |
| 13:59:26 | file | $42.45 CAD |
| 13:59:34 | Morn | TomW: nah, Rasin Bran |
| 13:59:46 | TomW | Morn: oh, health nut. |
| 13:59:54 | file | I had to pay tax, brokerage fees, and a few other fees which the girl mumbled to me |
| 14:00:17 | file | $26.75 for brokerage $13 in GST and HST |
| 14:00:22 | GPSFan | TomW: the 24 is a bit bigger than that, http://www.pacwireless.com/html/directional.htm |
| 14:00:22 | TomW | file: whoa! they make you dig deep for the privilige of living in a freezer then (Canada). |
| 14:00:32 | file | yes. |
| 14:00:38 | file | this is the first time I've got charged! |
| 14:00:53 | file | on my other Cybikos nothing, on my Nino nothing, on my VTech Helio nothing |
| 14:01:08 | file | never use UPS!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:01:41 | file | TomW: They waste money too |
| 14:01:47 | file | like sending a postcard to me |
| 14:02:28 | TomW | file: that is the whole purpose of govenment isn't it? Take from those that work for their money and give it to those too lazy to do so. |
| 14:02:45 | file | TomW: and to pay for stuff |
| 14:03:10 | file | UPS doesn't even have trucks here |
| 14:03:15 | file | they hand over their packages to Sameday Right-O-Way |
| 14:05:47 | TomW | Mozilla is still compiling... |
| 14:06:15 | TomW | oops |
| 14:07:03 | GPSFan | speek evil of Mozilla and see what happens ;>) |
| 14:07:50 | TomW | naw, I hit the wrong decoration on xchat. |
| 14:08:40 | TomW | pretty cool that all the libs, and utils, needed to compile mozilla were on the debian-ARM site. |
| 14:09:19 | TomW | If I can get mozilla working, then the Tux is done (AFAIAC). |
| 14:09:49 | TomW | took me, what, only 5 months of work, 7 months? |
| 14:10:07 | TomW | 5 |
| 14:10:47 | GPSFan | TomW: that's not too bad, |
| 14:11:28 | GPSFan | now you have a nice native development platform. |
| 14:12:01 | TomW | no, it isn't. This community oriented style of development is really powerfull. I have been building code for 25 years and this is the absolute best way to do it! |
| 14:13:03 | GPSFan | why don't you enable the second serial port so that you can use minicom out to your target, hardwire the RTS/CTS signals for your mouse and use the RS-232 drivers fot the second port. |
| 14:13:05 | TomW | Oops! Forgot something, I need to implement an answering machine type of operation with the Tux. I guess that is what the ShanIP2 mod is for? |
| 14:13:37 | TomW | GPSFan: I will need a second serial port if I cannot find a PCMCIA modem that will work with the Tux. |
| 14:13:38 | GPSFan | And VoIP |
| 14:13:57 | TomW | No VoIP, nto for my sister & Mom. |
| 14:14:05 | TomW | s/nto/no/ |
| 14:14:15 | TomW | s/nto/not/ drat |
| 14:14:37 | GPSFan | your mouse doesn't really need RTS/CTS, just the voltage to use for its VCC. |
| 14:15:01 | TomW | GPSFan: correct. |
| 14:15:39 | TomW | But, if I use an external modem with the Tux, I would need flow control. |
| 14:16:10 | TomW | Russ suggested that he was going to look into implementing flow control on the ttySA0. |
| 14:16:15 | GPSFan | true, but then you would need to mod the serial.c to bitbang the GPIOs for RTS/CTS. |
| 14:16:52 | TomW | Correct, standard high / low watermark management of the data queue. Nothing unusual. |
| 14:16:56 | GPSFan | that would be real nice, I would switch back my RTS/CTS if that happened, and put in a Max232 for the second port. |
| 14:17:27 | GPSFan | or 3232. |
| 14:18:16 | TomW | I have seen some GPIO mapping software to tell us the state of the GPIO pins in the Tux, but it doesn't answer the larger question of what GPIO pins ARE being used and for WHAT. |
| 14:19:06 | GPSFan | I thought that was in shannon.h or somesuch. |
| 14:19:18 | TomW | like the GP19 & GP20 pins, they can be used as GPIO if you don't need flow control. |
| 14:20:07 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, it is defined there, but not if the pin is actually used. You have to slog your way through the kernel source to look to see if they are REALLY being used. |
| 14:20:55 | TomW | Somebod(y|ies) wrote the kernel source for the Shannon, where is the implementation notes? |
| 14:21:56 | GPSFan | true... bbl |
| 14:22:46 | TomW | Something is still not right with the Tux CPU board.. I get occasional errors from the GNU assembler complaining about illegal opcose syntax. I just restart the make and it continues ok, only to fail sometime later with the same error someplace else. |
| 14:23:01 | TomW | must be a timing issue somewhere, or a noisy power bus. |
| 14:23:37 | TomW | I wonder if it is because we are overclocking the CPU? |
| 14:24:07 | file | TomW: I just got my customs/brokerage fees refunded :) |
| 14:24:44 | TomW | cool, now take the money to MacDonalds and get lunch with it. |
| 14:24:49 | file | hehe |
| 14:24:51 | file | it goes to my mom |
| 14:25:01 | file | I talked to my boss, he's going to send a check |
| 14:25:15 | TomW | to pay the brokerage fees? |
| 14:25:20 | file | yes. |
| 14:25:36 | TomW | Oh, I thought that Canadian Custom did the refund. |
| 14:25:41 | file | no. |
| 14:25:46 | TomW | :-/ |
| 14:26:17 | TomW | that was like a 40% VAT you paid! |
| 14:26:26 | file | GST and HST |
| 14:26:35 | TomW | yeah, that one. |
| 14:26:43 | file | $26.75 for the brokerage fees |
| 14:26:45 | file | I'm going USPS next time |
| 14:27:06 | TomW | file: sneak it into the country, eh? |
| 14:27:12 | file | hehe |
| 14:27:17 | file | just declare the value as $5 :) |
| 14:27:23 | file | never caught me yet! |
| 14:27:32 | TomW | carefull, they may think that you are Al Quieda or something. |
| 14:27:39 | file | lol |
| 14:27:46 | file | one time the sender left it blank, they didn't care |
| 14:28:20 | TomW | sounds like you just got a Custom Agent who was pissed at the world. |
| 14:28:29 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:25:25) |
| 14:28:34 | file | 3 times? :) |
| 14:29:31 | TomW | 3 times? |
| 14:29:35 | TomW | ?? |
| 14:29:36 | file | yes |
| 14:29:46 | file | my Philips Nino, my VTech Helio, and my 2 other Cybiko's |
| 14:29:55 | file | never been charged customs :) |
| 14:30:11 | TomW | Yeah, but it was the same day. Typical government employees, they cover each others butts. |
| 14:30:28 | file | it wasn't :) |
| 14:30:31 | file | this was over a span of 6 months |
| 14:30:55 | TomW | maybe they don't like you? Are you infamous or something? |
| 14:30:59 | file | hehe |
| 14:31:18 | TomW | still compiling... |
| 14:31:30 | file | I've never lost anything with USPS |
| 14:31:36 | TomW | that is a good thing, the compile hasn't crashed. |
| 14:32:09 | file | that's grrrrrrrrr8t |
| 14:32:31 | TomW | hopefully, I will have a binary when it finishes. |
| 14:33:08 | file | PRAY! |
| 14:34:23 | TomW | no, this was way too easy. I must have screwed up someplace. |
| 14:34:33 | file | just let it go |
| 14:34:39 | TomW | yeah |
| 14:35:44 | TomW | hmmm, if I give one to my sister, and one to my Mom, then I will have to order a couple more from Tim. |
| 14:36:08 | file | and order one for me :) |
| 15:52:24 | Morn | is away: lunch... |
| 16:01:52 | souslik | hi everybody |
| 16:02:08 | Morn | is back (gone 00:09:41) |
| 16:02:21 | souslik | I just built buildroot-tux from cvs. |
| 16:03:12 | TomW | Morn is restless today, back/gone/back/gone/back... ;-) |
| 16:03:15 | souslik | however the kernel is in /boot but I use blob from v0.4 so I need a separated file. How can I get it? I also need to reduce the size of my jffs2 image (removing the kernel from it). |
| 16:03:29 | Morn | giggle |
| 16:03:57 | TomW | Morn: What's the matter, can't you get started today? |
| 16:04:18 | Morn | TomW: I haven't accomplished much yet |
| 16:05:06 | TomW | Morn: hmmm, might be just one of "those" days.. |
| 16:05:16 | Morn | tell me about it |
| 16:05:56 | TomW | I have to mow my lawn today, it has been about 11 days since I last did it and it looks pretty bad out there. *sigh* time to get some Sun. |
| 16:06:13 | Morn | listens to Jim Croce |
| 16:06:31 | TomW | Morn, what do you do for a living? |
| 16:06:44 | Morn | TomW: I work from home, computer consulting |
| 16:07:07 | Morn | actually, I'm on disability for the last 3 years, trying to get off it and start my own consulting business |
| 16:07:08 | TomW | cool, me too. Of course, I miss not having co-workers to harass. |
| 16:08:36 | TomW | souslik: I cannot help you, I have an older buildroot that I "froze" and use that only as a bootstrap into Debian-ARM (Familiar) on my Tux. |
| 16:09:04 | TomW | souslik: not that I am intentially ignoring you. |
| 16:09:19 | Morn | I noticed the list was talking about the 32Meg sodimms |
| 16:09:24 | Morn | has that been resolved yet? |
| 16:10:11 | TomW | *phfft* that is an ongoing topic. The problem is that boosting the DRAM in the Tux isn't like popping another memory stick into a PC. |
| 16:10:46 | Morn | TomW: but the original OS could see the 32 meg sodimm by just putting it in |
| 16:12:30 | TomW | It may be possible to change blob so that it loads the kernel into the SODIMM instead of main memory (low), then turn on the CONFIG_SA1100_SHANNON_32M kernel option and recompile. But my Tux's are either stock 16Meg or modified 64Meg units. |
| 16:13:43 | Morn | Tim said it had to be handled at the kernel level, something about decompressing the kernel properly |
| 16:13:49 | Morn | I'm not a kernel hacker |
| 16:13:53 | Morn | so I don't really know |
| 16:20:30 | TomW | The DRAM controller (MDCNFG) register needs to be changed from 10 ROWS to 12 ROWS for the new SODIMM, that leaves the mainboard RAM improperly handled by the controller. My position is that it doesn't give you a full Meg in that slice that blob reported as being a Meg. |
| 16:22:02 | TomW | souslik: np |
| 16:22:42 | TomW | Morn: I hit the wrong thing on xchat again & closed it down. :-( lost the thread. |
| 16:22:54 | Morn | oops |
| 16:22:56 | Morn | :-) |
| 16:25:07 | Morn | I wish I knew more about that part of the kernel/blob I would help |
| 16:25:12 | Morn | but... |
| 16:25:38 | TomW | My position on the 32Meg is that when you change MDCNFG it actually makes the mainboard RAM into 256 / 512k slices. There may appear to be 1 Meg there, but blob does not fully test the RAM to verify that it is a full Meg. It spot-checks every 1Meg and assumes that a full Meg is there. |
| 16:27:09 | Morn | I guess it would slow down the booting of the blob if it tested fully |
| 16:27:20 | TomW | Also, that Meg shown by blob, IMO, may be reflected RAM images. You would see the same byte of data several times when traversing the memory space. this is due to the way the DRAM chips are wired to the controller and the change made to the controller's configuration to activate the 32Meg SODIMM. |
| 16:27:42 | TomW | Morn: yeah, speed kills. |
| 16:28:15 | TomW | I like to bang bits, mess with the kernel, and design hardware. |
| 16:28:55 | TomW | Morn: what kind of consulting are you going to do? |
| 16:29:28 | Morn | I do server installs, web programming, some small hosting that sort of thing |
| 16:29:46 | TomW | cool. Do any firewall stuff? |
| 16:29:48 | Morn | I've setup more firewall/servers |
| 16:29:50 | TomW | that seems hot. |
| 16:30:51 | Morn | I gave a talk at a users group in NYC on Linux and got more business from the people at the talk |
| 16:31:00 | Morn | it seems giving those talks is worthwile :-) |
| 16:31:09 | TomW | I have an appointment on Wednesday with a small ISP that is moving from NT4 to Linux. He needs to configure the linux boxes to meet his security / user functionality. Looks interesting, no money in it, but he is offering me webspace etc. |
| 16:31:27 | TomW | Morn, so is teaching. |
| 16:32:39 | TomW | you learn more about your topic when you have to coherently dispense it to someone else. I recently did a course on Linux, I found out just what I didn't know! Five years working with linux and I still feel like a newbie at times. :-) |
| 16:33:00 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: thats because its so damn complicated |
| 16:33:09 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 16:33:48 | CosmicPenguin | seriously - you can know everything there is to know about the console code, and still have no idea how the IDE works |
| 16:34:09 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I worked for an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't use the debian X server as a user: "User not authorized to use this server". |
| 16:34:21 | Morn | TomW: I built an ISP from the ground up in 1996 |
| 16:34:21 | Morn | 6 months of consulting |
| 16:34:22 | Morn | I just realized the other day my first linux co-lo server was in 1994 |
| 16:34:24 | Morn | I feel old |
| 16:35:06 | Morn | TomW: I taught high school (well I was an aide) for a year, I learned a lot about how to explain computers and math to students who aren't as bright |
| 16:35:18 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: 4 minutes on a search engine gave me the answer. I guess it was good practice to wander around the filesystem trying to figure out where the problem was. |
| 16:35:25 | Morn | Aide == under paid teacher |
| 16:35:52 | TomW | Morn: Old? Old! "We" don't talk like that in front of the youngsters! |
| 16:36:17 | Morn | TomW: I first found linux in 1993 via FidoNet |
| 16:36:31 | Morn | In linux terms I'm OLD! |
| 16:37:33 | TomW | Morn: yes, you don't make much money teaching, but it gives me exposure. Like I told my students at the final class , I get something out of teaching you guys how to deploy linux, 'cause I know that you will run into something you cannot handle and will call me. Then I won't work so cheaply. |
| 16:37:52 | Morn | grin |
| 16:37:54 | TomW | heh |
| 16:38:05 | TomW | They make money, I get some too. |
| 16:38:30 | TomW | Morn: it's a pyramid scheme with me a the top. heh |
| 16:39:34 | Morn | If it wasn't for SSDI I would be homeless |
| 16:39:41 | Morn | I really need a 'real' job |
| 16:40:33 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: don't be so quick to say that - do you really want the office politics of a group of people all trying to take their chunk out of a shrinking pie? |
| 16:41:09 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I guess not, I've never really done the 9-5 thing in my life |
| 16:41:22 | Morn | But it is so hard to get decent sized consulting gigs any more |
| 16:41:35 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: that will return |
| 16:41:40 | Morn | I miss the 2 years I consulted for Merck (the drug company) |
| 16:41:56 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: you obviously have not worked at home for any length of time, you get to miss all that bullsh*t. |
| 16:42:24 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I have never worked at home for any length of time |
| 16:42:29 | Morn | The problem I face is being alone all the time... most of my social interaction happens via IRC/IM |
| 16:42:41 | TomW | ... the adrenaline challange of manuevering your way throught the maze... |
| 16:43:13 | TomW | Morn: time for some co-workers you can harass. |
| 16:43:33 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: The fun of having an executive member make a bad decision, and as a result they decide to lay of all but 3 of your engineering team |
| 16:43:41 | Morn | TomW: My dream is to get enough work to rent a small office and have an employee or 2... |
| 16:43:57 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: been there |
| 16:44:13 | CosmicPenguin | Fun suff, huh? |
| 16:44:24 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: thats my dream too... :) Call me when you need a west-coast office... :) |
| 16:44:32 | Morn | 'k |
| 16:45:24 | TomW | Morn: I am not so sure I'd want that complexity. I get to work at home and play with my linux toys. I have a job that I am working at getting (project) and it requires me to use the services of a fellow independant. |
| 16:46:21 | Morn | I looked into it, I can rent a small office for $250 a month |
| 16:46:38 | TomW | I would rather use a network of consultants that I know and parcel out parts of the work as necessary. When the job is done, we go our seperate ways. |
| 16:46:45 | Morn | I just think that having to actually leave the house once or twice a week would be a good thing |
| 16:46:55 | Morn | Sometimes I don't leave the house for a week |
| 16:47:19 | Morn | most of my consulting is done via the net |
| 16:47:38 | TomW | Morn: That is why you're supposed to "get a life". Subscribe to the local philharmonic, put yourself on missions to seek out obscure museums, etc. |
| 16:48:00 | CosmicPenguin | Take up fishing |
| 16:48:19 | Morn | If I lived in a larger town it would be easier |
| 16:48:26 | Morn | I don't drive and I live on a dirt road |
| 16:48:29 | TomW | Morn: I do the same, get holed up in here for weeks at a time, then bust loose for a few days / week and run from the house. |
| 16:48:33 | Morn | can you say no wheres' ville? |
| 16:48:57 | TomW | Hey! I live in Pennsylvania! |
| 16:49:09 | Morn | TomW: I grew up in PA Dutch country |
| 16:49:17 | Morn | TomW: now I live in rural CT |
| 16:49:27 | TomW | Yeah, but you dove deeper into obscurity. |
| 16:49:37 | TomW | You went to |
| 16:49:42 | TomW | Connecticut. |
| 16:49:49 | TomW | of all places. |
| 16:49:50 | Morn | Sometimes I really miss NYC |
| 16:49:54 | TomW | sheesh |
| 16:49:57 | TomW | ;-) |
| 16:50:32 | Morn | BRS is going to find someone to give me driving lessons |
| 16:50:37 | Morn | so I can get a licnese |
| 16:50:40 | Morn | that'll help |
| 16:50:59 | TomW | Connecticut is only for rich folks who want to be left alone, away from the bustle of NYC. The only other people who live there are the cooks, maids & butlers of the rich folk! |
| 16:51:20 | Morn | rich? what the heck am I doing here! |
| 16:52:02 | TomW | You are part of the Service Industry only you haven't been properly situated into a "real" job in Connecticut. Heh |
| 16:52:26 | TomW | Come home, move to Allentown PA, better chance to find work. |
| 16:52:50 | TomW | Or Lancaster, or Pittsburg, or ... |
| 16:53:20 | Morn | I grew up in Lebanon County |
| 16:53:36 | TomW | Morn: BTW, I am just teasing you, you know that, right? |
| 16:53:40 | Morn | yeah |
| 16:53:47 | Morn | I like it here in CT |
| 16:53:52 | Morn | it'll be better when I can drive |
| 16:53:58 | TomW | ok, sometimes I can be a bit much at time. |
| 16:54:13 | TomW | No license / no car? |
| 16:54:36 | Morn | I have neither, but a friend said she would sell me her old car with payments I can afford |
| 16:54:42 | Morn | which just means getting a license |
| 16:55:03 | Morn | that is where BRS comes in |
| 16:55:21 | TomW | BRS? |
| 16:56:44 | Morn | beura (sp?) of rehab services |
| 16:56:52 | TomW | ok |
| 16:56:52 | Morn | they help disabled people with stuff |
| 16:57:30 | TomW | yeah, you need a licensed driver with you so they be cited with the ticket.. heehee |
| 16:57:40 | Morn | doh! |
| 16:57:47 | TomW | yup |
| 16:58:36 | TomW | My worst, recent, nightmare was handing the keys to my GrandAm to my 17 year old nephew. |
| 16:58:53 | TomW | After all, I let my neice drive it.. |
| 16:59:35 | TomW | four hours and mozilla is still compiling. |
| 16:59:41 | Morn | yikes |
| 16:59:54 | TomW | well... I am doing it on the Tux. |
| 17:00:07 | Morn | your compiling mozilla on the tux? |
| 17:00:11 | TomW | yup |
| 17:00:13 | Morn | are you out of your mind! |
| 17:00:52 | TomW | naw, can you think of a better way to compile the code and make sure it will use the correct includes / link the correct libs? |
| 17:01:02 | Morn | hands some of her medication to Tom! |
| 17:01:14 | TomW | besides, it gives it something to do for a while. |
| 17:01:37 | TomW | wonders what Qualudes are.. |
| 17:02:02 | Morn | I'm just glad when the phone functions work properly on the tux |
| 17:02:05 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: X11? |
| 17:02:14 | Morn | I need to get back to using Opie on it again |
| 17:03:16 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yup, xfree86 from the debian-ARM distro, it uses the XF86_FBDev. That is what the serial mouse is for, so I could get fvwm95 working. |
| 17:05:01 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: rather than keep it small, I stuck more DRAM into it (had them lying around), put a 10Gig IDE into it, then shelled out to have an IDE interface board produced. I built it up. |
| 17:07:50 | Morn | I have been using nfs to give more space to the one I have |
| 17:07:56 | TomW | I still need to check out the ShanIP2 stuff and see if it will record / playback voice. I want the Tux to also function as a Caller ID and answering machine. |
| 17:07:59 | Morn | nfs over a 100Mb network seems usable |
| 17:08:45 | TomW | Morn: I hope to build two of the Tux's up, then give one each to my Mom and sister so they can have 'net access. |
| 17:09:08 | TomW | that's why I want mozilla on the tux, also why I need 64M + IDE> |
| 17:09:19 | Morn | TomW: my hope was to make mine a guest netaccess device |
| 17:09:59 | TomW | You could do that, but the problem is the 16Meg of DRAM. You already know that. |
| 17:10:37 | TomW | Morn: otherwise, you could just pivot_root to nfs and install debian on the nfs. |
| 17:11:04 | Morn | I pivot_root to the nfs now |
| 17:11:12 | Morn | or I did til I messed it up |
| 17:11:12 | TomW | ok, debian? |
| 17:11:22 | Morn | familiar was on the nfs |
| 17:11:44 | Morn | Once we can use more ram I'll look into the full debian thing |
| 17:11:52 | Morn | with 16 meg of ram it's hard to do much |
| 17:11:56 | TomW | good, I like Familiar, it is really a complete system. lots of apps & libs all ready to go! |
| 17:12:43 | TomW | Morn: then hang loose until the others hack blob & the kernel to run the 32Meg SODIMM. |
| 17:13:09 | Morn | when I replaced solaris with debian on my ultrasparc I forgot to backup the nfs directory for the tux |
| 17:13:12 | Morn | so I have to redo it all |
| 17:13:18 | TomW | I have a 64Meg SODIMM around here someplace, it belongs to BZFlag... |
| 17:13:35 | Morn | plus the v0.6 boot images seemed to have some trouble with pcmcia |
| 17:14:12 | TomW | yeah, I don't use v0.6, I stopped with buildroot before they did the jffs2 kernel stuff. |
| 17:14:31 | Morn | I thought the jffs2 kernel was a good idea |
| 17:14:39 | TomW | I just use buildroot to boot the Tux and pivot to the hard drive. |
| 17:15:26 | TomW | Morn: from a technical standpoint, yes. other than that, I don't see the value in reclaiming 16K (K not M) of unused Flash. |
| 17:16:07 | TomW | IMO, jffs2 kernel buildroot has created a lot more grief for the people using it. It is not stable. |
| 17:16:38 | Morn | I think I might go back to the older stuff |
| 17:16:51 | Morn | now where did I put that null modem |
| 17:16:53 | TomW | but, I focus on a practical use that I can implement now, others focus on the bleedin' edge. |
| 17:18:03 | TomW | oh well, time to mow the lawn. bbl |
| 17:18:14 | TomW | is away: walking uphill, both ways. |
| 18:28:32 | Tangent | TomW: The lawn at my old house was like that... You _almost_ needed to wear climbing gear to get up it |
| 18:29:29 | TomW | no, you just held onto a handfull of grass and pulled your way to the front door. :P |
| 18:30:28 | Tangent | It was around a 50-60 degree incline... you couldn't push the lawnmower up there... you had to take it to the top of the hill and work downwards in side-to-side lines |
| 18:30:54 | Morn | waits for gcc to compile |
| 18:31:41 | TomW | Morn: 5.5 hours so far for mozilla. |
| 18:31:54 | prpplague | Morn: whatcha compiling gcc for? making a new toolchain?? |
| 18:31:55 | Morn | TomW: at least I'm not compiling it on the Tux |
| 18:32:05 | TomW | Morn: braggard |
| 18:32:09 | Morn | prpplague: the new buildroot builds it's own cross compiler |
| 18:32:25 | prpplague | Morn: ahh, i didn't know that |
| 18:32:38 | prpplague | has been stuck x86 hell for awhile |
| 18:32:52 | TomW | goes back to the mower |
| 18:36:34 | Tangent | wonders whether to play games to try out sourcemage |
| 18:52:16 | Morn | hmmm, building uClibc failed |
| 18:52:31 | Morn | undefined reference to getcwd |
| 19:42:55 | Russ|werk | dammit, andersee broke uClibc cvs |
| 19:43:14 | souslik_ | Hello. I finally upgraded blob to v0.6 successfully |
| 19:43:26 | Russ|werk | broke it yesterday |
| 19:43:42 | souslik_ | howevere I can not xdownload a ramdisk to flash |
| 19:43:52 | souslik_ | I'm using minicom |
| 19:44:26 | souslik_ | any help would be appreciatrd |
| 19:44:52 | Russ|werk | maybe you are taking too long to start the downoald |
| 19:44:58 | Russ|werk | er, download |
| 19:45:41 | souslik_ | blob> xdownload ramdisk Start sending using the XMODEM protocol (repeated ^X to quit). CCCC.... Loading ramdisk from flash ................ |
| 19:45:41 | souslik_ | ne *** invalid argument blob> |
| 19:45:57 | souslik_ | sorry for bad identation |
| 19:46:22 | souslik_ | What are the "C"'s ??? |
| 19:47:35 | Russ|werk | I don't know |
| 19:47:43 | Russ|werk | I think you might be taking too long |
| 19:48:36 | souslik_ | do I have to use "xdownload ramdisk" or "xdownload kernel" ?? |
| 19:53:19 | TomW | souslik: if you are using minicom, tell blob that you are downloading something: e.g. xdo kernel, then hit ^AS (Control-A S), choose XMODEM, then navigate over to the dir where the kernel is located. OR, ^AO and setup minicom to have the XMODEM send goto that dir for the initial file listing. |
| 21:00:12 | Morn | hi andersee |
| 21:00:20 | Morn | you work on uClibc right? |
| 21:02:36 | Russ|werk | Morn: yes he does |
| 21:03:03 | Morn | Ok, I'm having some troubles with the new snapshots |
| 21:03:05 | andersee | Morn: yup |
| 21:03:32 | andersee | Russ|werk: This morning's daily snapshot was broken... |
| 21:03:43 | andersee | err. Morn... |
| 21:03:47 | Morn | ok, so it wasn't just me |
| 21:03:59 | Morn | I tried with the release version and I got further |
| 21:04:10 | Morn | busybox failed to compile after that |
| 21:04:30 | Russ|werk | Morn: cvs as of this minute is working though |
| 21:04:52 | Russ|werk | oh geez |
| 21:05:03 | Russ|werk | NAME=file .bat |
| 21:05:19 | Russ|werk | is equivalent to NAME="file .bat" |
| 21:05:23 | Russ|werk | to outlook, thats bad |
| 21:05:31 | Russ|werk | mabye I should email MS the mime rfc's |
| 21:05:31 | CosmicPenguin | I think its time to bring over FLNX into the Microwindows buildroot |
| 21:06:07 | andersee | Morn: I broke getcwd late last night. Fixed now and I've updated the main mirror, the .de mirror hasn't caught up yet.. |
| 21:06:24 | Morn | andersee: cool |
| 21:06:34 | Morn | the snapshot will be ok tomorrow then? |
| 21:06:46 | Morn | I'm trying to build from buildroot |
| 21:06:52 | andersee | The snapshot is ok now. The .de mirror should sync up soon. |
| 21:06:58 | Morn | ah |
| 21:07:01 | Morn | thanks |
| 21:10:36 | prpplague | andersee: i'm using an old version of bb, were there some issues with the wget in bb? |
| 21:14:20 | Morn | I have familiar running on the tuxscreen again! |
| 21:16:38 | Russ|werk | anyone want to bang on some new flash code for blob? |
| 21:17:20 | Morn | Russ|werk: what does the new code do? |
| 21:17:27 | Morn | and will it render my tux inert? |
| 21:17:54 | Russ|werk | the current code can |
| 21:17:58 | Russ|werk | the new code might not |
| 21:18:16 | Morn | might? |
| 21:18:17 | Morn | ack! |
| 21:18:29 | Russ|werk | ya, if you flash more than one thing without resetingc |
| 21:18:38 | Russ|werk | (with the current code) |
| 21:21:17 | andersee | Russ|werk: with the new code, can I skip the erase step? Currently I do a 'download, erase, flash, reboot'... |
| 21:21:55 | Russ|werk | why do you currently need an erase step? |
| 21:22:16 | Russ|werk | with the current code, if you are flashing more than one thing, you have to do reset between them |
| 21:24:01 | Russ|werk | erasing first may be another workaround |
| 21:24:18 | Morn | what's with the spam recently, I've got HUNDREDS of the same piece of spam mail today |
| 21:24:31 | Russ|werk | I was doing testing last night, and I accidentally tested with the old flash code, instead of the new flash code |
| 21:24:56 | Russ|werk | Morn: ya, I noticed about 2-3 spams a week are getting through my schools spam filters |
| 21:25:04 | Russ|werk | as apposed to one every two weeks |
| 21:25:50 | andersee | Morn: I've been adding needed locking to uClibc. Looks like I also broke something preventing tinylogin from working.. Fixing that now... |
| 21:28:19 | Morn | any one know what nfs: RPC call returned error 101 means? |
| 21:28:50 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, you didn't do -o nolock |
| 21:29:09 | Morn | I thought I did |
| 21:29:11 | Morn | let me check |
| 21:29:18 | CosmicPenguin | Or at least, thats what happens to me |
| 21:29:22 | andersee | Morn: is that with the latest and greatest uClibc? |
| 21:29:30 | Morn | andersee: not yet |
| 21:29:56 | Morn | I need everything to build first :-) |
| 21:30:04 | andersee | Morn: I totally reworked the RPC code on Saturday/yesterday. Completely new set of crap^Wcode. |
| 21:30:37 | Morn | there is a -o nolock there |
| 21:30:48 | Morn | it worked with the base familiar 0.4 install |
| 21:30:57 | Morn | after I upgraded to the unstable version it got flakey |
| 21:31:12 | Morn | back to the earlier version |
| 21:39:39 | Morn | hmmm |
| 21:39:51 | Morn | now I'm getting nfs: server not responding, still trying |
| 21:41:49 | Morn | nfs: task 1049 can't get a request slot |
| 21:41:53 | Morn | this gets more and more fun |
| 21:53:09 | Morn | ah, I see what was happening! |
| 21:53:12 | Morn | that is so silly |
| 21:54:22 | andersee | eh? |
| 21:54:28 | Morn | after the pivot root |
| 21:54:41 | Morn | the system was re-running the pcmcia init scripts |
| 21:54:57 | Morn | and it was grabbing a dynamic IP (bad!) instead of using the static one I gave it |
| 21:55:05 | andersee | ah |
| 21:55:09 | Morn | this caused it not to be able to access the nfs server |
| 22:26:18 | CosmicPenguin | believe it or not - I just was actually able to order a cable modem for my house |
| 22:26:30 | CosmicPenguin | doubts that it will actually end up going through |
| 22:28:41 | andersee | wow |
| 22:28:57 | andersee | I suppose they wanted cash up front? |
| 22:30:19 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what companfy |
| 22:30:22 | Russ|werk | er, company |
| 22:31:41 | CosmicPenguin | AT&T |
| 22:31:47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: COD |
| 22:31:48 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 22:33:39 | Russ|werk | hmm...I don't know... |
| 22:34:12 | CosmicPenguin | I had to pay for the cable modem hardware - so I don't know if I am going to end up buying a modem + wireless AP or not |
| 22:41:38 | CosmicPenguin | Geez - we're doing a demo - and my boss is sitting in, and he keeps asking the "why doesn't this work?" questions.... |
| 22:41:48 | CosmicPenguin | He is totally hanging my co-worker out to dry |
| 22:42:42 | andersee | So its best when he doesn't show up for a month or two... |
| 22:42:44 | andersee | ;) |
| 22:45:27 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 22:58:38 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:06:29 | file | hi Russ |
| 23:08:28 | file | you alive in there? |
| 23:10:55 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 23:25:13 | TomW | Morn: 10.5 hours and still going... |
| 23:25:42 | Morn | TomW: I got Familiar back on my tuxscreen |
| 23:25:50 | Morn | I figured out what was causing me all the trouble |
| 23:26:10 | TomW | operator head-space error? |
| 23:26:32 | Morn | when I upgraded the packages it replaced the network.opts |
| 23:26:42 | TomW | ahh! |
| 23:26:47 | Morn | so it was getting a dynamic ip (bad) and not using my static IP |
| 23:26:56 | Morn | since I have it doing nfs a static IP isimportant |
| 23:27:27 | TomW | Yes, I have to be carefull about that, I replaced the contents of /usr/include/(asm|linux) with the headers from the 2.4 kernel of the Tux source. |
| 23:28:47 | TomW | interesting that it would do that though, did the upgrade rename the existing network.opts file, or overwrite it? |
| 23:29:17 | Morn | it overwrote it (but I'll admit it did ask first) |
| 23:29:27 | Morn | I was just telling it to put all the new config files in |
| 23:30:39 | TomW | (Y)es (Y)es (Y)es ... completely wreck the current configuraiont (Y,n) Yes. :-) |
| 23:31:10 | Morn | thwap! |
| 23:31:18 | TomW | It looks like Ralf is hot onto getting the 32Meg SODIMM working. |
| 23:31:23 | TomW | heh |
| 23:31:44 | TomW | "shall I format C: for you? (Y,n)" |
| 23:32:34 | Morn | rm -rf / (Y,n) |
| 23:32:44 | Morn | well I have an opie boot screen |
| 23:32:57 | Morn | now to remember that /etc file to make sure it doesn't ask for calibration |
| 23:45:40 | Russ|werk | grrr |
| 23:45:42 | Russ|werk | Content-Type: audio/x-midi; |
| 23:45:42 | Russ|werk | name=;pos=pop1;sz=150x80;tile=1;ord=1015605077150[1].pif |
| 23:45:49 | Russ|werk | wtf is ord? |
| 23:46:03 | Russ|werk | I definately don't see that in the mime specs anywhere |
| 23:46:04 | Morn | I'm so tired of those messages |
| 23:46:20 | Russ|werk | I'm confused as to why outlook sees that as a pif file |
| 23:48:49 | Morn | because outlook is stupid? |
| 23:49:12 | TomW | Morn you beat me to the punchline! |
| 23:49:32 | Russ|werk | ya, I think I'm going to automatically tag anything with any non-standard mime options |
| 23:52:16 | TomW | Russ: maybe you just ran into another MicroSoft-sim: an extension of the spec? What you see is what they screwed up, deliberately? |
| 23:53:10 | Russ|werk | I think they are parsing the <value> part of name=<value> with the same code they parse <iframe src=<value> ... with |
| 23:55:43 | TomW | the only thing that makes sense to me is that since it has no name (name=;) then it has an action (ord=) and since the alternate name (or known as) is a pif, the mime type is to be automagically executed (read: loaded into the media player). |
| 23:55:45 | TomW | ? |
| 23:56:20 | Russ|werk | you know what ord= means? |
| 23:56:28 | TomW | the [1] is a sequence number? |
| 23:56:41 | Russ|werk | no, its just something to throw stuff off more |
| 23:56:57 | TomW | nope, just throwing a guess out there for you to change your direction of thinking, perhaps. |
| 23:57:04 | Russ|werk | it should be a token seperator, meaning that .pif shouldn't be a part of 1015605077150 |
| 23:57:30 | TomW | no, the ';' is the token |
| 23:57:35 | Russ|werk | similarly, outlook will see name=23095 .exe as name="23095 .exe" |
| 23:57:38 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 23:57:42 | Russ|werk | ; is a seperator |
| 23:58:14 | TomW | right, but they may be sending the data stream in chunks at the server side [1], [2], [n] |
| 23:59:12 | Russ|werk | no, the above line is from a klez variant |
| 23:59:15 | TomW | They would have to chunk it up, probably since the media player is brain damaged and they fixed it (easily) by telling to the get a full frame of audio before playing it. |
| 23:59:54 | Russ|werk | klez variants continue to find totally screwed header lines that outlook will accept as a queue to execute the file |
| 23:59:54 | TomW | What do you get when you send a huge file? |
| 23:59:59 | Russ|werk | but mean something completely different |
