| 00:07:28 | andersee | Russ|werk: got the gnu mirror thing. Didn't touch the inittab issue.. |
| 00:09:01 | jacques | thinks about trying to build it again. |
| 00:09:34 | Russ|werk | andersee: oh, and sf gives a mirrors page for the pcmcia link |
| 00:10:28 | jacques | yeah sourceforge screwed up a lot when they went to mirrors |
| 00:11:40 | andersee | Russ|werk: fixed the pcmcia problem too. |
| 00:12:17 | Russ|werk | are you familiar with cross compiling things like glib |
| 00:12:19 | andersee | I was able to build the whole thing, start to finish including the downloads, per my latest commit. |
| 00:12:23 | Russ|werk | and gtk |
| 00:12:30 | jacques | andersee: excellent |
| 00:13:25 | andersee | Russ|werk: havn't tried them I'm afraid. I've heard it suggested its a real pain to get those to cross compile... |
| 00:13:56 | andersee | Russ|werk: I have done glib vs uClibc w/o event, though I don't recall if I was cross compiling |
| 00:14:14 | Russ|werk | its mainly ./configure |
| 00:14:33 | Russ|werk | because there are so many test programs, fortunately, most check the cache first |
| 00:14:45 | Russ|werk | which in turn, checks for the result in an enviromental variable |
| 00:16:31 | Russ|werk | oh, the dlopen fix works |
| 00:17:04 | andersee | ccol |
| 00:17:41 | andersee | I still don't have an explanation why modprobe causes segfaults on the tuxscreen. Still does though. :( |
| 00:17:45 | andersee | grumbles |
| 00:46:20 | jacques | why would modprobe segfault while insmod works? |
| 00:46:35 | jacques | i guess the error is in the part of modprobe where it finds dependencies? |
| 00:50:27 | andersee | jacques: at least I now have gdb compiling and working correctly, so I can take a look later tonight. :) |
| 00:52:00 | andersee | begins compiling gdb for the tuxscreen |
| 00:54:49 | prpplague | jumps for joy at finding his lost "the c programming language" book |
| 01:00:06 | jacques | prpplague: heh i have a couple of those |
| 01:00:37 | jacques | prpplague: one is really old, and the new one says "based on proposed ANSI draft" |
| 01:00:47 | jacques | or some such |
| 01:02:08 | jacques | great, the sourcescourge cvs checkout is hanging now halfway through |
| 01:03:11 | jacques | ok it completed, very slowly |
| 01:20:40 | jacques | andersee: my build died again |
| 01:21:27 | jacques | andersee: it's complaining about not findng arm-linux-gcc |
| 01:21:35 | jacques | why? |
| 01:21:57 | jacques | .//extra/scripts/gen_bits_syscall_h.sh: arm-linux-gcc: command not found |
| 01:22:33 | jacques | andersee: have you built it on a machine which does NOT have a xtoolchain installed at all? |
| 01:24:49 | jacques | andersee: there is (of course) no arm-linux-gcc because now we use arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 01:28:07 | jacques | arg it's a mess |
| 01:28:20 | jacques | it's trying t obuild uclibc and the first thing that happens is this: |
| 01:28:27 | jacques | /bin/sh: cd: ./lib: No such file or directory |
| 01:29:24 | jacques | goes idle for another week. |
| 01:31:32 | andersee | jacques: Hmmm |
| 01:32:03 | andersee | jacques: Lemme try again w/o arm-linux-gcc installed on my system |
| 01:33:33 | prpplague | jacques: wow "proposed" ansi |
| 01:33:42 | Sammy | morning ^_^ |
| 01:33:53 | andersee | morning |
| 01:34:16 | prpplague | argh, pizza - beer - and playing outside with a five year old at 90 degrees is not a good combination |
| 01:35:58 | prpplague | Sammy: get any more rain today? |
| 01:36:23 | Sammy | yeap , |
| 01:37:00 | andersee | jacques: ok, removed all arm stuff from my box. Trying again... |
| 01:38:47 | jacques | andersee: the question is why is it looking for arm-linux-gcc |
| 01:39:05 | jacques | I disabled all my other toolchains when the troubles started about a month ago |
| 01:39:33 | prpplague | jacques: having problem with something grabing arm-linux-gcc instead of gcc ? |
| 01:40:04 | jacques | prpplague: no, buildroot looking for arm-linux-gcc instead of arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 01:40:11 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:40:33 | andersee | jacques: Guess I'll find out soon... |
| 01:41:21 | prpplague | jacques: the reason i ask, i've had problems lately with the lart toolcain taking over so apps |
| 01:41:27 | prpplague | s/so/some |
| 01:42:10 | jacques | andersee: i would like to give you more info, but there is about a page of messages leading up to the final bail-out |
| 01:42:51 | jacques | ths is what my build dir looks like: |
| 01:42:54 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 15 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:04 root/ |
| 01:42:55 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 14 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:05 linux/ |
| 01:42:55 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 16 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:08 binutils-2.12.1/ |
| 01:42:55 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 17 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:11 gcc-3.1/ |
| 01:43:00 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 7 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:18 stage/ |
| 01:43:00 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 5 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:18 gcc-stage1/ |
| 01:43:00 | jacques | drwxr-xr-x 15 fontenot fontenot 4096 Jun 13 18:18 uClibc/ |
| 01:43:09 | jacques | so that should give you some idea of how far along it was |
| 01:44:03 | andersee | I've reproduced it here.... |
| 01:44:18 | jacques | phew |
| 01:44:21 | jacques | :-D |
| 01:44:30 | jacques | i as afraid it was another jacques-only bug |
| 01:44:33 | andersee | fixing.... |
| 01:45:57 | andersee | make/uclibc_toolchain.mk line 144 |
| 01:46:14 | andersee | -CROSSARG=--cross=$(GNU_TARGET_NAME)- |
| 01:46:27 | andersee | +CROSSARG=--cross=$(ARCH)-uclibc- |
| 01:47:05 | andersee | then rm -rf build/uClibc |
| 01:48:36 | jacques | ah cool |
| 01:49:45 | jacques | build on |
| 01:55:19 | jacques | cool it's in gcc stage 2 build now |
| 02:00:38 | andersee | Mine just finished everything... I'll commit the one fix. |
| 02:01:10 | jacques | andersee: you ave a dual right? is there a way to do a parallel build? |
| 02:02:01 | jacques | might be too much trouble I suppose. some things dont build well in parallel |
| 02:02:34 | andersee | jacques: Nope.. Just an Athlon 1600 w/512 MB ram |
| 02:06:02 | jacques | well my work build machine is a dual PIII 800 |
| 02:06:12 | jacques | very slow when only using one proc |
| 02:06:33 | jacques | it's just building the krenel now |
| 02:10:06 | andersee | I got my athlon late last fall to upgrade from a 400 Mhz celeron. This thing runs circles around everything else I've ever owned. |
| 02:10:47 | jacques | yeah my home athlon 900 was pretty fast when I built it two years ago |
| 02:25:21 | jacques | cool it completed |
| 02:25:31 | bhima | hrm. my tuxscreen's touch screen connection appears to be flaky. |
| 02:25:44 | bhima | I think it got slightly pinched at the end. |
| 02:26:16 | jacques | andersee: zlib dl from sourcescourge is not working - probably the mirror thing |
| 02:28:59 | peracles | Anyone thought about turning the TuxScreen into a receptionist station/uber phone for asterisk(the open source PBX)? |
| 02:29:13 | jacques | bhima: flaky how? one of mine blanks the screen when I push on the screen |
| 02:30:50 | prpplague | peracles: i've tested some basic voip stuff, but due to the non-production nature of the tux, not much use in doing detailed designs |
| 02:30:58 | prpplague | peracles: tux, is mainly for dev |
| 02:31:48 | peracles | prpplague: I realize that, but I think it would be a fun project with a purpose. |
| 02:32:38 | peracles | s/purpose/end goal |
| 02:38:18 | Russ|werk | be really usefull if its compatible with other things, like the voip blaster |
| 02:39:42 | peracles | I'm not suggesting that is be pigeon holed, but I've just been looking at asterisk alot lately, and as soon as I saw this phone, ideas poping into my head. |
| 02:52:18 | jacques | andersee: matchbox has been updated to 0.2.1, and it untars as such, so it does not build |
| 03:31:07 | jacques | sdffdsds |
| 03:33:36 | prpplague | BZFlag: greeting mr.cto |
| 03:50:10 | spd_racer911 | Hi TomW |
| 03:52:16 | spd_racer911 | all: I just installed my 32 Meg Simm. I changed the blob MDCNFG line to 0x0334b23f . Now blob boots, but the kernel will not boot ...it says Uncompressing kernel ... |
| 03:52:42 | spd_racer911 | all: I ohm'd out the PRD lines to make sure they were not shorted also |
| 03:52:52 | spd_racer911 | all: any ideas ? |
| 03:53:09 | prpplague | spd_racer911: you are using the 32meg kernel/hardware mods? |
| 03:53:28 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: what kernel mods ? |
| 03:53:58 | prpplague | IIRC there was kernel mod that needed to be done too |
| 03:54:14 | prpplague | spd_racer911: have you checked the wiki page? |
| 03:55:01 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: I have not seen any reference to it...I checked the wiki page on the SODIMM stuff...I only saw the blob changes, and blob seems to be ok with the memory...it sees 40 MB now |
| 03:56:35 | prpplague | spd_racer911: ahh your right |
| 03:56:42 | prpplague | spd_racer911: reading over the info now |
| 03:57:31 | prpplague | spd_racer911: you've replace the cpu ram chips? |
| 03:57:50 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: nope, just the SODIMM |
| 03:58:31 | prpplague | spd_racer911: you have to replace the surface mounted ram chips to make the 32meg upgrade work |
| 03:59:24 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: are you sure ? well that sucks...I that people were getting 40 Meg by just upgrading the SODIMM |
| 03:59:45 | spd_racer911 | s/that/thought |
| 04:00:27 | prpplague | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/32MegRamUpgrade |
| 04:00:34 | prpplague | read at the bottom |
| 04:02:08 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: that sounds like it is the solution if you want a total of 64 Meg |
| 04:04:40 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: the wiki page at http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SODIMM says "The largest known working SODIMM is 32M for a total of 40M: " |
| 04:05:18 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: maybe I didn't have to modify blob for the 32 Meg SODIMM ? |
| 04:06:44 | spd_racer911 | TomW: "come in Tom" roger, over |
| 04:07:33 | as2 | Maybe you have your modem on speak only by mistake. |
| 04:07:50 | as2 | Or your treading on the wire. |
| 04:08:16 | as2 | Or you forgot to pay the data traffic mafia. |
| 04:09:25 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:09:39 | prpplague | spd_racer911: sorry dude, guess i'm not help tonight |
| 04:10:04 | spd_racer911 | prpplague: have you upgraded your Tux memory? |
| 04:10:21 | prpplague | spd_racer911: not the tux but other sa-1100 based systems |
| 04:22:53 | BZFlag | spd_racer911: 32M will work with Inferno. Linux will not boot that way. |
| 04:24:05 | TomW | spd_racer911: eh? |
| 04:24:34 | TomW | spd_racer911: what are you doing on IRC, lost? |
| 04:26:31 | spd_racer911 | TomW: yep |
| 04:26:54 | spd_racer911 | hey, I installed a 32M SODIMM without touching the internal memory...will this work? |
| 04:27:37 | TomW | spd_racer911: left at the next gateway, then west for 1us, south on 207.192.0.0/16 for 15ms ... |
| 04:27:37 | spd_racer911 | BZFlag: sorry didn't see your reply there...no way to get Linux to work with only the 32M sodimm ? |
| 04:29:45 | TomW | spd_racer911: IMO, when you reprogram the MDCNFG reg to 12 rows, it messes up the 4Meg DRAMs and they only show up as 256K banks and not as 1Meg banks. |
| 04:30:31 | spd_racer911 | TomW: my blob boots up and shows 8 1 Meg banks and two 16M banks |
| 04:31:40 | TomW | spd_racer911: correct, blob is fscked. It does not do a complete test on the 1Meg banks, it only checks every 1Meg boundry to see if it will store a byte of data, then assumes that an entire 1Meg is there. |
| 04:31:49 | Sammy | andersee ? |
| 04:32:08 | Sammy | echo andersee ))) |
| 04:32:14 | andersee | hey |
| 04:32:20 | spd_racer911 | TomW: it maybe time to take the second Tux out of the box or start working on the Jtag tongle in Eagle so I have a little more control over this when I screw up! |
| 04:32:35 | spd_racer911 | s/tongle/dongle |
| 04:32:46 | Sammy | why I make tinylogin with arm-uclibc- but still run gcc ? |
| 04:33:14 | andersee | Sammy: dunno |
| 04:33:17 | TomW | spd_racer911: GPSFan swapped the RAS & CAS signals on the mainboard between the mainboard DRAM and the SODIMM. He did it by removing the surface mount series resistors and tacked on some 33ohm 1/8 watt resistors. |
| 04:33:30 | Sammy | andersee : I am sure this few line |
| 04:33:32 | Sammy | CROSS = arm-uclibc- |
| 04:33:33 | Sammy | CC = $(CROSS)gcc |
| 04:33:34 | Sammy | STRIPTOOL = $(CROSS)strip |
| 04:33:48 | andersee | That looks right |
| 04:34:16 | TomW | spd_racer911: you running tinyx on debian-arm? |
| 04:34:17 | spd_racer911 | TomW: You mean so he could use the 32M sodimm ? |
| 04:34:42 | Sammy | but when I run make , it's still run something like this : |
| 04:34:51 | Sammy | gcc -Wall -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -D__LIBC__ -c __tlg_getpwent.c -o __tlg_getpwent.o |
| 04:35:11 | TomW | spd_racer911: yes, effectively, when you swap the RAS & CAS lines, you swap the mainboard & sodimm ram locations, the 32Meg will appear as being the lower (mainboard) ram. |
| 04:35:25 | Sammy | andersee: anything let this Makefine miss the cross compiler ? |
| 04:35:39 | Sammy | andersee: do you have any idea ? |
| 04:35:47 | TomW | spd_racer911: you still will not get anything out of the mainboard ram, it will still be fscked. |
| 04:36:08 | TomW | spd_racer911: but you do end up with 32Meg... |
| 04:36:17 | andersee | Sammy: are you using the buildroot? It worked correctly for me... |
| 04:37:36 | TomW | spd_racer911: can you change the mainboard ram using the 32Meg mod I documented? The ram is cheap enough... |
| 04:37:43 | Sammy | nope , I am trying build a roofs by my self , and need tinylogin and busybox part ... |
| 04:38:11 | spd_racer911 | TomW: does the MDCNFG mod still hold true if I swap the RAS and CAS lines? |
| 04:40:45 | TomW | spd_racer911: MDCNFG still needs to be changed, yes. The new value in MDCNFG causes the DRAM controller to address the RAM as a 12x10 organization, rather than 10x10. The new 4K refresh SODIMM is a 12x10 device. |
| 04:41:42 | andersee | Sammy: May I suggest you start by using the buildroot as is, and then change things from there... |
| 04:42:28 | spd_racer911 | TomW: ok, I will try the RAS and CAS swap. I will also order the memory for the mainboard just in case. |
| 04:43:01 | Sammy | andersee: OK , I'll try that, amm... can buildroot still run on other platform ? |
| 04:43:16 | spd_racer911 | TomW: I am running familiar dist. from handhelds.org with my tinyx compiled with patches from buildroot for the tuxscreen |
| 04:43:18 | TomW | spd_racer911: 64Meg of DRAM certainly has possibilities... I have two of my units running 64Meg now. |
| 04:44:01 | TomW | spd_racer911: yup, got dillo running that way, but I would like to get the fvwm95 working under tinyx. |
| 04:44:37 | spd_racer911 | TomW: I have no choice at the moment, since I cannot seem to get blob to download the old blob to put it back for the time being |
| 04:44:47 | TomW | spd_racer911: tinyx is compiling on the tux now. |
| 04:45:15 | andersee | Sammy: sure |
| 04:45:21 | andersee | Sammy: just change the arch... |
| 04:45:23 | spd_racer911 | TomW: you mean native compiling on the tux? |
| 04:45:30 | TomW | spd_racer911: yes. |
| 04:45:41 | TomW | spd_racer911: takes a while... |
| 04:45:43 | Sammy | andersee: K ! |
| 04:45:48 | spd_racer911 | TomW: slowly ? !! |
| 04:46:07 | TomW | spd_racer911: not too bad, it takes a little under 2 hours to do it. |
| 04:46:47 | Sammy | andersee: do you know any solution about running QT stuff with uClibc ? |
| 04:46:54 | spd_racer911 | TomW: that's cool. I am also looking at writing an SPI driver for a dallas semi temp sensor |
| 04:46:54 | TomW | spd_racer911: gives the tux something to do while I work on other stuff. |
| 04:47:22 | TomW | spd_racer911: the 10Gig drive worked out well. |
| 04:48:03 | TomW | Mem: 62400K av, 60488K used, 1912K free, 0K shrd, 28748K buff |
| 04:48:04 | TomW | Swap: 205120K av, 0K used, 205120K free 13184K cached |
| 04:48:33 | spd_racer911 | TomW: a friend of mine helped me get the frame buffer screen capture to work...now we have a universal screen snapshot program...I will e-mail the very small code to the list soon...it nice because it is universal |
| 04:49:08 | andersee | Sammy: dunno. compile it and it should work if you build the uClibc toolchain for your target arch. |
| 04:50:42 | spd_racer911 | TomW: it spits out a ppm image. I am looking at adding in jpeg or some other conversion if I can find some opensource code that is easy to add to it |
| 04:50:49 | Sammy | andersee: does uClibc quite support what QT stuff or qpe need ? |
| 04:51:26 | Sammy | andersee: or maybe I need to make one and test it ... |
| 04:51:29 | TomW | spd_racer911: import works for me to snatch screenshots. |
| 04:52:39 | Sammy | uh , after retar it , it's work .... |
| 04:52:49 | spd_racer911 | TomW: yep, it X that is a solution. With qt embedded or microwindows, or console it is nice to have a universal screen snapshot program. |
| 04:53:09 | spd_racer911 | TomW: s/it/in |
| 04:53:29 | Sammy | think Linux still have something mystery ..... |
| 04:53:37 | TomW | spd_racer911: heh, yeah, tough to try to get import to connect to an X server with microwindows.. |
| 04:54:49 | spd_racer911 | anyone used the ssi driver code in linux/drivers/ssi ? It says "experimental" It looks like it supports SPI |
| 04:55:31 | spd_racer911 | TomW: Thanks for the info on the ram etc. |
| 04:56:49 | TomW | spd_racer911: sorry I couldn't help more. My intent with the tux is to build it up (IDE + RAM) into something larger than the stock unit. |
| 04:58:04 | TomW | spd_racer911: My JTAG is so shaky that I will not go through the pain of testing one of my 16Meg Tux units to see what exactly is happening to the mainboard RAM when MDCNFG is changed. |
| 04:59:07 | spd_racer911 | TomW: no problem...I am going to make a board with Eagle for the Shanip2 mod, and I guess I will also build JTAG dongle as well |
| 04:59:09 | TomW | spd_racer911: I have a surface mount rework kit, so I just cut the old chips off the board with an X-acto knife and slap the 32Meg chips on, then do the cuts & jumpers. |
| 04:59:53 | TomW | spd_racer911: you gonna do a board with Alberta Printed Circuits for the shanip2? |
| 05:00:12 | TomW | spd_racer911: or Press-n-Peel it? |
| 05:00:32 | spd_racer911 | TomW: yeah I am pretty good with Surface mount stuff...I do that stuff at my day job quite often...nothing like 30 gauge wire and skeleton art using SM Rs & Cs ! |
| 05:01:02 | TomW | spd_racer911: ... or a 10x / 20x binocular microscope either.. |
| 05:01:12 | spd_racer911 | TomW: nope I am going to etch the thing in my small homebrew etching tank! Actually works quite well! |
| 05:01:54 | TomW | spd_racer911: heh, I have the stuff here, but it has been a few years since I did my own boards. I usually send them out now. |
| 05:02:42 | spd_racer911 | TomW: yeah, it depends how busy I am ... $ 80.00 ~ 100.00 is quite cheap, not worth my time...so Alberta is good for that |
| 05:04:09 | TomW | spd_racer911: except when you get down to 8mil spacing. The last board I had them do was the IDE board, it took me about 4 hours to clear solder shorts and get it working. Not their fault, just that at 8mil spacing you really need a solder mask. |
| 05:05:32 | spd_racer911 | TomW: have you tried the place hear in Colorado...http://www.4pcb.com/ (Advance circuits?) I believe you did a board with them for your EZ328 stuff ? |
| 05:05:42 | spd_racer911 | s/hear/here |
| 05:06:25 | TomW | spd_racer911: I love that place, I use them as often as possible. Their quality is A+! |
| 05:07:08 | TomW | spd_racer911: I should have used them with the IDE board. |
| 05:07:22 | spd_racer911 | TomW: yeah I can actually just drive there and pick up my boards...I have not used them yet, however a friend of mine did and he said the same thing..great work |
| 05:08:29 | spd_racer911 | TomW: it seems everyone will want a Shanip2 mod...I also would like a stereo codec...so I may build a board with those two on it |
| 05:08:39 | TomW | I had them do some surface mount stuff for me, as well as a prototype for a customer, all the jobs came out great! The customer was pleased to get such a nice prototype board, he was expecting an APC board (bare). |
| 05:12:15 | spd_racer911 | TomW: I will catch you later |
| 10:10:59 | file | bahs like a sheep |
| 10:11:26 | ctr | =P |
| 10:11:56 | file | my package is being sent to Montreal |
| 10:12:08 | file | everything goes through Montreal! |
| 14:09:26 | file | prpplague : *cry* my package is moving slowly |
| 14:16:00 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:48:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:48:26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: another fine day at the office |
| 14:48:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing like departmental politics before your first cup of coffee |
| 15:15:29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I get that all the time |
| 15:18:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we've got some report created by the programming department being run by cron, well the report is failing and they keep telling hardware that it is a cron problem |
| 15:19:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well last night i put some debugs in the report, turns out their perl script is choking, not cron |
| 15:19:56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that can't be - the software is never to blame |
| 15:20:00 | CosmicPenguin | ;-) |
| 15:20:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you said it |
| 15:25:52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, any widgets i create for fltk will work with flnx right? |
| 15:38:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep - unless you have something that depends on an newer version of FLTK than 1.0.7 |
| 15:45:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, i'm still using 1.0.7 |
| 16:36:19 | TomW | sneezes |
| 16:38:05 | prpplague | TomW: bless ya |
| 16:38:22 | TomW | *sniff* tanks |
| 16:40:01 | TomW | prpplague: You still going ahead with that Trizeps? |
| 16:40:41 | prpplague | TomW: negative, i'm holding off till after OLS |
| 16:40:56 | TomW | np |
| 16:41:02 | prpplague | TomW: seletz over in #blob is going a custom board for me |
| 16:41:13 | TomW | cool! |
| 16:41:14 | prpplague | TomW: we should have a prototype in by OLS |
| 16:41:21 | | OLS is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.ottawalinuxsymposium.org/ or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/ |
| 16:41:21 | TomW | OLS? |
| 16:41:44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: how is the ps2 ? |
| 16:41:45 | prpplague | TomW: it will have similiar specs as the trizeps |
| 16:41:53 | prpplague | TomW: but a little cheaper |
| 16:42:05 | prpplague | TomW: it will also be sold as a "hack kit" |
| 16:42:47 | prpplague | TomW: which will include a perf dev board, sample designs and easy mounting in off-the-shelf abs plastic boxes |
| 16:43:17 | TomW | prpplague: I have been involved in working with the debian-arm stuff on the Tux that has the IDE drive. Mostly working at getting a reasonable X server running. |
| 16:44:52 | TomW | The reiserfs on the Tux got a test this morning. I awoke the sound of UPS alarms. The Tux was not on a UPS so it had suddenly done a power down. |
| 16:45:25 | TomW | What the Tux really really needs is a clock! A battery-powered clock. |
| 16:46:18 | TomW | Time for me to go back to the IDE board design and see if I can fit a clock onto the board. |
| 16:46:24 | mallum | wishes he was going to OLS :( |
| 16:51:19 | prpplague | wishes he could attend UKUUG |
| 16:51:38 | mallum | prpplague: I think Im gonna go to that ... |
| 16:59:14 | mallum | lots of funny stuff on ntk.net this weel ... |
| 17:05:23 | TomW | mallum: nothing like run-on paragraphs, eh? (ntk.net) |
| 17:08:35 | mallum | TomW: AntiNews is the best bit |
| 17:10:34 | TomW | mallum: heh, I need a "junior accunt manager" myself... |
| 17:11:04 | file | what's Exception mean on UPS tracking? |
| 17:11:38 | TomW | ummm, it means the package has been Thrown? |
| 17:11:47 | file | :p |
| 17:12:18 | TomW | if (address.unreadable) { throw ("on the pile"); } |
| 17:12:57 | file | lol |
| 17:13:03 | file | but my address is right there |
| 17:13:13 | file | I even verified it over the phone :p |
| 17:13:22 | TomW | file: time to do some debugging with UPS? |
| 17:13:33 | file | lol |
| 17:14:07 | file | has your stuff ever had - Status: Exception? |
| 17:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: soorry - I am busy today |
| 17:15:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: the PS2 is going well - I couldn't get mame to work, but I think that they screwed up the RPM |
| 17:16:37 | CosmicPenguin | I am waiting for sjhill to get the uclibc working better, and then I am going to start a project to boot tinyX entirely off of the other memory card |
| 17:16:57 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:17:19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: uclibc working better ? I thought it worked fine with tinyX ? |
| 17:17:30 | sjhill | grogilly wakes up |
| 17:17:36 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: huh? |
| 17:17:39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ah uclibc in mips ? |
| 17:17:50 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: now what's not working? |
| 17:17:53 | mallum | is compiling uclibc cvs at the moemnt .... |
| 17:17:57 | file | crys |
| 17:18:49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: whats wrong with uClibc? |
| 17:19:59 | mallum | andersee: its too small |
| 17:20:36 | sjhill | taps foot |
| 17:21:32 | CosmicPenguin | thought it wasn't compililng yet |
| 17:22:11 | file | crys |
| 17:22:13 | CosmicPenguin | apologizes around the room and slinks off to the corner |
| 17:22:44 | file | CosmicPenguin : help me |
| 17:24:34 | CosmicPenguin | file: What do you need? |
| 17:25:13 | file | CosmicPenguin : have any experience with UPS? |
| 17:26:39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: dunno. It works for me... sjhill got shared libs working on mips. I've got full c++ support with the latest gcc toolchains... |
| 17:32:21 | file | grumbles |
| 17:33:25 | andersee | file: you seem to be having emotional issues today |
| 17:33:55 | file | andersee : YES |
| 17:34:02 | file | andersee : I want my package! |
| 17:34:43 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: btw, I now have a mips development system (30 GB disk, 1 PCI slot, latest Debian). uClibc runs nicely on it (thanks in no small part to sjhill) |
| 17:42:09 | CosmicPenguin | file: UPS as in the guys in the brown trucks |
| 17:42:21 | file | I know |
| 17:42:32 | file | but what does Exception mean on their tracking status thing!!! |
| 17:42:37 | file | and where is it?!?!?! |
| 17:42:42 | file | Montreal or New Brunswick?!?!?!?!? |
| 17:45:33 | sjhill | file: Exception means that you need to call UPS and see what happened, the sender either recalled it, or they couldn't find you, call UPS |
| 17:46:09 | file | uh huh |
| 17:46:28 | file | I read some stuff on Google Groups and it said that shortly before they deliver it sometimes goes to Exception |
| 17:46:58 | file | oh well... I'll call soon |
| 17:48:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so there you go - I'll stick that on my long list of crap to do |
| 17:48:53 | file | I must call, bbl |
| 17:49:17 | andersee | hehe |
| 17:51:24 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: does the ps2 have a 'proper' framebuffer ? |
| 17:57:33 | file | sjhill : apparently nothing is wrong |
| 17:59:29 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: the default doesn't use a framebuffer - just X11 |
| 17:59:46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: we have all the docs - I guess it would be possible to write a framebuffer. |
| 18:00:13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: the thing about the PS2 linux port is that all the work has been done - other than the cool factor, there really isn't alot of hacking that needs to happen |
| 18:00:32 | CosmicPenguin | So there isn't much interest in getting a framebuffer working, or making a tiny distribution, or whatever |
| 18:00:55 | CosmicPenguin | most of the script kiddies just want to run divX and xmms, and the rest of the crap can take a leap |
| 18:01:20 | CosmicPenguin | is interested in the PS2 for a stable MIPS platform, as well as a cool xmame platform |
| 18:02:02 | mallum | a framebuffer and tinyX would be cool |
| 18:03:07 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I went to the xpcom2002 thing on sunday, and they had a linux ps2 stand there, but the people on the stand couldn't really answer my questions - ' does it have dri ? - whats dri ' |
| 18:05:48 | andersee | is away: off to officemax |
| 18:07:52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: no dri as far as I can tell |
| 18:08:12 | CosmicPenguin | but I haven't dug into the thing - the kernel that comes with the package is 2.2.4, but they almost have it up to 2.2.20 |
| 18:10:50 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:53:55) |
| 18:14:08 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: 2.2.4 really? My brother said it comes with 2.2.1 according to the website. Maybe they have old information (not to mention a really old kernel!) |
| 18:15:24 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: maybe even a 2.2.1 - very old in any case |
| 18:16:31 | file | sjhill : I have another question, you there? |
| 18:16:44 | sjhill | yes |
| 18:16:54 | file | sjhill : what's UPS Internal Activity Code? |
| 18:18:35 | file | not a clue eh? I don't have one either |
| 18:19:00 | sjhill | file: i dunno' |
| 18:20:11 | file | come on customs - release it! |
| 19:39:49 | andersee | is back (gone 01:34:01) |
| 19:51:19 | sjhill | bonzai!!!! |
| 19:59:36 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmmm..... usb2 |
| 19:59:38 | CosmicPenguin | ;.0 |
| 20:04:11 | TomW | which should I use for tinyx? ncurses or termcap? What is the difference? |
| 20:14:04 | andersee | TomW: Can it use slang? That is going to be smallest... |
| 20:15:44 | TomW | andersee: tgetent, get_termcap and tgetstr |
| 20:16:18 | TomW | no big deal, it is xterm |
| 20:16:53 | TomW | andersee: just trying to clean up the build of tinyx to see if the palette problem goes away. |
| 20:21:48 | lyakh_home | Hi, Russ, I asked at wrok (should've done in the first place) - our hardware expert told me, that the dongles are VERY different - timing... capacitors on KnK dongle make the difference |
| 20:22:02 | TomW | andersee: it also calls for "#include <protocols/rwhod.h> |
| 20:22:04 | TomW | " |
| 20:22:48 | TomW | andersee: I copied the system /usr/protocols/rwho.d over and it kept it happy. |
| 20:24:25 | andersee | TomW: could you email that to me? I'm about to shutdown my whole network and move some wires and boxes and such... |
| 20:24:45 | andersee | So I'll forget sans email. |
| 20:24:48 | TomW | andersee: mail what? the rwhod.h? |
| 20:25:23 | andersee | problem report |
| 20:25:28 | TomW | andersee: k |
| 20:26:11 | file | where's Russ... |
| 20:26:30 | | Russ was last seen on #blob 9 hours, 56 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: Russ|werk is chained to this nick, so you don't need to worry about that [Fri Jun 14 11:29:52 2002] |
| 20:26:30 | TomW | ibot, seen Russ? |
| 20:27:53 | file | I have a bad feeling |
| 20:28:19 | TomW | some days I feel the same way, then I pray... |
| 20:28:22 | TomW | :-) |
| 20:28:28 | file | no no |
| 20:28:31 | file | it's about my package |
| 20:28:39 | file | it's been 5 hours, and it hasn't cleared customs |
| 20:28:56 | CosmicPenguin | file: us customs? |
| 20:29:03 | TomW | maybe the customs guy thought it was cool and stole it? |
| 20:29:08 | file | Canada Customs |
| 20:29:16 | CosmicPenguin | wow - that is wierd |
| 20:29:41 | file | CosmicPenguin : can you understand UPS tracking pages? |
| 20:29:47 | TomW | file: maybe you should wait for the knock at the door, to explain the package? |
| 20:29:58 | file | hehe |
| 20:30:14 | TomW | ... getting a visit from the RCMP |
| 20:30:15 | CosmicPenguin | file: never used UPS tracking before |
| 20:30:38 | file | I'll send the link for my pacakge to you |
| 20:30:40 | file | package |
| 20:30:50 | file | http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&HTMLVersion=4.0&InquiryNumber1=4590+9250+481&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&track=Track |
| 20:30:51 | file | voila! |
| 20:32:19 | CosmicPenguin | POWER OF ATTORNEY REQUIRED;BROKER ASSIGNED, RELEASED FOR DELIVERY |
| 20:32:26 | CosmicPenguin | There's a line you don't see every day |
| 20:32:36 | file | clarify. |
| 20:34:28 | file | pokes CosmicPenguin |
| 20:35:23 | TomW | file: apparently, you have to pay custom on the stuff. That would be the only reason that I can think of that a Power of Attorney would be required, apparently UPS needs to act on the behalf of Canadian Customs. |
| 20:36:42 | TomW | file: NAFTA only works on some stuff, for example, American Cigarettes have to pay Custom when shipped to Canada.. |
| 20:37:00 | TomW | file: don't they? |
| 20:37:35 | mallum | TomW: did you see my post about tinyX, I get blue too on a non-framebuffer tinyX on x86 |
| 20:38:06 | TomW | mallum: yeah, something about cirrus? |
| 20:38:27 | mallum | TomW: yeah a chips chip |
| 20:38:34 | mallum | TomW: Chips and technologies |
| 20:38:40 | mallum | TomW: all the white is blue |
| 20:38:55 | mallum | TomW: I never released you were having the same problem .. |
| 20:39:45 | TomW | mallum: I suspect some collision between the console refusing to give up ownership of some resource to tinyx.. When you invoke it via a remote process the ownership is not there. |
| 20:40:36 | mallum | TomW: hopefully cworth will pass the info onto keithp |
| 20:43:27 | TomW | mallum: hope so, I am cleaning up some of the mess in the compile. I don't think that it will change anything as to the palette problem, but it needs to be done anyway. |
| 20:44:04 | TomW | mallum: this is probably a classic instance of he is using debian to develop tinyx on and we are not? |
| 20:45:58 | TomW | mallum: bbl, I got to fix my vmware. |
| 20:56:21 | file | CosmicPenguin: I'm confused |
| 21:02:54 | CosmicPenguin | file: so am I - but I have never dealt with customs before |
| 21:03:21 | file | it's in Montreal! |
| 21:41:15 | TomW | I surrender! Installing debian potato in a vmware virtual machine... :-( |
| 21:41:36 | BZFlag | what did you have before? |
| 21:41:43 | TomW | mandrake |
| 21:42:28 | TomW | Hopefully, the debian cross development tools will be much better behaved on a debian 2.2.19 system? |
| 21:49:00 | Aelhaz | mandrake. birds & bunnies. marshmallowey sweet & fluffy. |
| 21:58:16 | Ng | I read in the Wiki about the Personal Telephone Call Handler. Is that just a theoretical possibility or is there some software for that? |
| 21:58:24 | BZFlag | why not build the 3.1 from buildroot-tux? if works for me now since andersee cleaned up the makes last. |
| 21:58:53 | BZFlag | Ng: just a possibility. |
| 21:59:29 | Ng | BZFlag: is there a driver for the DSP that would let you do that already? |
| 21:59:33 | BZFlag | Ng: though Inferno included callerid support and the Linux driver should support that. there is not a linux app yet. |
| 22:01:45 | Ng | would the driver be able to do stuff like the voice menus with caller responses? |
| 22:04:44 | Aelhaz | shanip2 should be able to make that possible, right? |
| 22:05:17 | Aelhaz | actually, I'm not sure if we can read tones that come over the line |
| 22:05:38 | file | well for the love of macaroni and cheese! |
| 22:05:43 | file | I'm getting duplicate entries on my UPS tracking |
| 22:06:34 | Aelhaz | maybe they scanned the label twice? |
| 22:06:48 | file | hehe |
| 22:06:59 | file | http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?tracknums_displayed=5&TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&HTMLVersion=4.0&InquiryNumber1=4590+9250+481&InquiryNumber2=&InquiryNumber3=&InquiryNumber4=&InquiryNumber5=&track=Track |
| 22:07:01 | file | go look for yourself |
| 22:07:19 | file | it's funny |
| 22:07:31 | Ng | Aelhaz: is it something that's likely to appear? |
| 22:07:58 | Aelhaz | Oh Canada! |
| 22:08:10 | Aelhaz | most of my canadian friends tell me to send them packages via USPS air mail |
| 22:08:23 | file | yeah |
| 22:08:26 | Aelhaz | and to write on the customs slip that it's a gift valued at $30usd |
| 22:08:27 | file | that's the most reliable way |
| 22:08:34 | file | well, it works |
| 22:08:38 | file | and it's the cheapest |
| 22:08:39 | file | but no tracking |
| 22:08:43 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 22:09:01 | Aelhaz | I've heard the *best part is when UPS knocks on your door and asks you to pay GST so you can recieve your delivery |
| 22:09:13 | file | UPS does that? |
| 22:09:16 | file | Fedex has never done that to me |
| 22:09:17 | Aelhaz | oh, plus brokerage fees, etc |
| 22:09:19 | Aelhaz | sometimes |
| 22:09:22 | Aelhaz | that's what i hear at least |
| 22:09:27 | file | oh bloody hell |
| 22:09:33 | file | it's already been brokeraged three times |
| 22:09:58 | Aelhaz | and then UPS has the timerity to wonder why they're not more popular in canada |
| 22:11:28 | file | have you seen all my tracking entries? |
| 22:11:32 | file | it's hilarious! |
| 22:13:11 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 22:13:29 | file | I should probably call them and see what's up |
| 22:13:48 | Aelhaz | i've heard that UPS is the worst possible carrier for many destinations |
| 22:13:54 | Aelhaz | especially former soviet nations |
| 22:14:01 | file | uh huh |
| 22:14:22 | Aelhaz | where UPS won't deliver anything with a value over $250, but charges nearly $300 in fees just to consider it |
| 22:14:31 | file | nods |
| 22:14:37 | Aelhaz | then says "By golly, after paying all those fees, it's got a value over $250!" and ships it back to you |
| 22:14:46 | file | lol |
| 22:14:57 | file | I just want my Cybiko Xtreme... |
| 22:15:32 | file | what's with the UPS Internal Activity Code anyway? |
| 22:15:51 | Aelhaz | dunno |
| 22:16:19 | file | brokeraged 3 times, LOL |
| 22:17:26 | Aelhaz | maybe someone isn't sure how to work their scanner |
| 22:17:35 | Aelhaz | some of the new terminals are a little weird |
| 22:17:43 | file | great |
| 22:18:03 | Aelhaz | chunk of brown resin the size of a notebook computer with a 3x5 lcd screen on it |
| 22:18:09 | Aelhaz | and you have to, rub the corner across the bar code |
| 22:18:42 | Aelhaz | tho the UPS dock here only has a couple of those, most of the ones i see them carrying around have a laser scanner on the back side that works at a distance of up to a foot |
| 22:18:55 | file | uh huh |
| 22:19:10 | Aelhaz | and they make an eardrum-piercing beep when they scan a code |
| 22:35:39 | CosmicPenguin | Time to go home now |
| 23:09:16 | file | not good, not good at all |
| 23:10:14 | file | groans |