| 04:23:35 | lilo | looks in |
| 04:28:56 | BZFlag | whacks lilo. heya. |
| 04:29:06 | lilo | hiya BZFlag |
| 04:29:16 | BZFlag | how's the server adding progressing? |
| 04:29:22 | lilo | coming and going |
| 04:29:26 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 04:29:36 | lilo | I think we may need new hubbing in EU, mostly that stuff hasn't worked out |
| 04:30:09 | BZFlag | US has been a bit better lately. |
| 04:30:23 | lilo | quite a bit I think....we were down to two servers in the main rotation |
| 04:30:26 | lilo | not a comfortable thing |
| 04:30:28 | BZFlag | anyone there headed to OLS? |
| 04:30:45 | lilo | here? not me, I'll be lucky to have an apartment by the end of July |
| 04:30:48 | BZFlag | eep. 2 servers? I had not noticed it got that small. |
| 04:30:49 | lilo | haven't been doing well |
| 04:30:56 | BZFlag | ouch. |
| 04:31:04 | lilo | BZFlag: yeah....most of what we have is pretty solid, though we need another main rotation hub |
| 04:36:37 | lilo | at this point I'm just kind of wandering around....I was having to do those once-a-day URL notices and I kind of want to make sure they're not annoying anybody |
| 04:46:53 | BZFlag | well I could do without the non-admin notices. ;-) |
| 04:47:08 | BZFlag | but they don't "annoy" me. |
| 04:50:10 | lilo | I wish I wasn't in my current situation |
| 04:50:14 | lilo | it's a mess |
| 04:50:39 | lilo | people have been very kind though....some of them sent me some help, but I have to tell you, just the comments have helped a lot |
| 04:53:02 | lilo | good to know people appreciate your work |
| 04:58:25 | BZFlag | I used to DL dances. I noticed then that you can't please everybody. |
| 04:59:13 | lilo | that's so true |
| 04:59:23 | lilo | I'm probably a bit too sensitive to the trolls though |
| 04:59:34 | BZFlag | you almost never get "nice job" so the goal is just to get a few complaints as possible. If 1/2 want it louder and 1/2 want it quieter, then the volume is right. (for example) ;-) |
| 05:00:31 | lilo | I'll tell you the one thing that really bothers me 8) |
| 05:00:45 | lilo | when someone says that "people are annoyed by X" or "everybody is bothered by Y" :) |
| 05:01:03 | lilo | and I ask them who and they indicate that whoever it is is afraid to tell me 8) |
| 05:01:07 | BZFlag | well everyone says that they are annoyed by X. ;-) |
| 05:02:27 | lilo | but I just wonder, because usually while this is happening I'm getting maybe three complaints a day 8) |
| 05:02:45 | lilo | and it doesn't help that the complaints come from "a usually reliable source" (i.e., are unattributed 8) |
| 05:02:55 | lilo | drives me crazy 8) |
| 05:03:14 | BZFlag | my advice? (everyone has advise, right?) is to ignore the over-net type folk. The ones that try to build an irc network on top of multiple networks. |
| 05:03:14 | lilo | every so often you will see announce on wallops that it's okay to tell me things 8) |
| 05:03:20 | lilo | nods |
| 05:03:22 | BZFlag | what a bad idea. ;-) |
| 05:03:49 | lilo | hmmm....the only people I know of that are doing that are the #linuxos people....that is one strange social channel 8) |
| 05:04:19 | lilo | one of their networks is lilofree.net....which has one nasty website 8) |
| 05:04:29 | BZFlag | I've seen 3 or 4 running, but I can't recall where, and I have no idea if they were full time or not. |
| 05:04:31 | lilo | but mostly they keep to themselves |
| 05:04:39 | lilo | hold on |
| 05:05:27 | lilo | sorry, thought I heard the three-year-old |
| 05:05:40 | lilo | if you catch him before he leaves his bedroom he'll go right back to sleep, otherwise he ends up with us :) |
| 05:06:45 | BZFlag | heh. mine's a boy, 4/4/99. |
| 05:06:52 | lilo | cool :) |
| 05:06:58 | lilo | not much younger than mine :) |
| 05:07:01 | lilo | couple of months |
| 05:07:05 | lilo | aren't they amazing :) |
| 05:07:30 | BZFlag | he was on here about a month ago in #Zaurus typing away. |
| 05:07:38 | lilo | mine does that :) |
| 05:07:44 | BZFlag | that's what happens when I don't lock the screen. ;-) |
| 05:07:46 | lilo | has since he was a bit over a year old :) |
| 05:07:55 | lilo | he's just more mobile now :) |
| 05:08:02 | BZFlag | http://henry.rikers.org/henryirc.txt <- a fun read. ;-) |
| 05:10:13 | BZFlag | what's up with #SourceForge leaving? I thought VA was hooked into both places? |
| 05:10:56 | lilo | I never have any idea what to expect from sourceforge 8) |
| 05:11:11 | BZFlag | oh, and is there a java irc page up anyplace anymore? I'd like to be able to point win* bzflag users to a web irc page. |
| 05:11:26 | lilo | we used to leach off linux.com's, haven't found an application |
| 05:11:54 | BZFlag | I can find you an application easy enough. but it only works if presented from the same ip as a server. |
| 05:12:00 | lilo | I think when they turned it into just another OSDN site they decided they didn't want to do the online stuff anymore |
| 05:12:30 | BZFlag | that box is not an irc server anymore either, right? |
| 05:13:07 | BZFlag | jvm in a browser (normally) limits tcp connects to the ip of the http server. |
| 05:13:11 | lilo | s'truth |
| 05:14:16 | BZFlag | got web pages up on any of the existing servers? |
| 05:14:40 | BZFlag | and what's this: https://irc.openprojects.net:19638/webhost/rollout/site ? ;-) |
| 05:14:45 | lilo | we don't....not sure where they are or aren't running apache |
| 05:15:10 | lilo | BZFlag: irc.openprojects.net is a hostname for IRC servers only 8) we don't own the servers :) |
| 05:16:05 | lilo | not sure who you're getting there |
| 05:16:17 | lilo | or even how you found it 8) |
| 05:16:33 | BZFlag | you could run a low traffic dancer node on www.openprojects.net just for web users (ie not add it to irc.openprojects.net) |
| 05:16:50 | lilo | www.openprojects.net is ibiblio |
| 05:16:54 | lilo | we can't run a server there |
| 05:17:15 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 05:17:19 | lilo | sounds like they're not quite ready for irc |
| 05:17:50 | BZFlag | then just find a box and make it webirc.openprojects.net ;-) |
| 05:24:37 | BZFlag | http://eirc.sourceforge.net/ <- one possible (free) java web client. |
| 05:36:25 | lilo | can you email me? lilo@openprojects.net |
| 05:36:29 | lilo | that way I'm more likely to remember |
| 05:37:31 | BZFlag | sure |
| 05:37:37 | lilo | muchas gracias |
| 05:38:12 | lilo | I better start to wind it down....good talking to you though |
| 05:38:55 | lilo | heads off to bed |
| 14:17:38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:22:29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 14:23:00 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful (but cold) day in Zion..... yesterday I was in Wyoming, and we had 3 inches on the ground |
| 14:23:04 | CosmicPenguin | (of snow that is) |
| 14:23:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well we have 3 inches on the ground around here, but it ain't white |
| 14:24:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you looked at the fltk-1.1.0rc3 ? |
| 14:25:01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: first I've heard of it |
| 14:25:06 | CosmicPenguin | is looking for the changelog |
| 14:27:26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: # Fixed some redraw() bugs, and now redraw portions of the parent widget when the label appears outside the widget. |
| 14:27:30 | CosmicPenguin | That was a very annoying bug |
| 14:28:35 | CosmicPenguin | But other than that - it looks good. I am iffy on the image drawing routines though. |
| 14:28:39 | CosmicPenguin | I would prefer to use imlib2 if I can |
| 14:58:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya they fixed several bugs, but they have changed somethings |
| 14:58:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the tabs widget looks different |
| 14:58:32 | file | prpplague : go take Xtreme, send to me :p |
| 14:58:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and fluid has a bunch of "new" annoying features |
| 14:59:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the curse of the engineer - I guess we just can't resist changing things around... :) |
| 15:02:21 | prpplague | can you change fb resolution after booting? |