| 00:17:52 | p2_ | re |
| 00:18:06 | p2_ | anyone here ever looked at opie ? |
| 00:18:33 | file | hey prpplague |
| 00:20:15 | prpplague | file: howdie |
| 00:21:19 | file | waddup d00d? |
| 00:25:53 | prpplague | ssdd |
| 00:26:47 | prpplague | #dd if=/tmp/yesterday of=/dev/today |
| 00:27:42 | file | yup |
| 00:28:32 | file | pats prpplague on the back, grabs an Xtreme, then runs for dear life |
| 04:48:51 | collord | anyone have pointers on compiling PERL against uclibc? |
| 04:57:19 | andersee | collord: I've done it. |
| 04:57:33 | collord | praise be |
| 04:57:40 | collord | i've seen a few success reports |
| 04:58:29 | collord | though it doesn't seem anyone has documented it too well |
| 04:58:58 | collord | maybe i'm just being a lamer |
| 05:25:02 | andersee | collord: I first compiled it vs uclibc back in november. Worked... |
| 05:25:40 | collord | the strange perl build seems to ignore stuff like CC= |
| 05:43:32 | Russ | collord: that type of thing is usually pretty easy to overcome |
| 05:43:43 | collord | ok, i'll perservere |
| 05:43:46 | collord | sp? |
| 05:43:59 | collord | this is so much fun |
| 05:51:25 | BZFlag | is pleased to see folks having good clean cheap fun. ;-) |
| 05:57:27 | andersee | When I want cheap fun, I watch my kids fight with each other.... ;) |
| 05:59:24 | collord | heh |
| 05:59:46 | collord | this fun might be too cheap, watching this box reboot when i insert a pcmcia card |
| 06:45:35 | BZFlag | collord: now that's fun. ;-) |
| 06:57:30 | collord | hrm large file support in uclibc |
| 07:05:32 | andersee | collord: this surprises you? |
| 07:05:56 | collord | heh |
| 07:05:58 | collord | well |
| 07:06:10 | collord | it wasn't unexpected really |
| 07:07:14 | collord | poop |
| 07:07:44 | andersee | Think for example of a network attached storage device. The firmware needs to be small, but needs to be able to address a big 'ol hard drive... |
| 07:07:58 | andersee | collord: was that an imperitive? |
| 07:08:39 | collord | i see, just wondering what to do |
| 07:10:35 | andersee | collord: What to do? Hmm. You could buy me a better car. Or call a friend. Or play a video game. |
| 07:10:51 | andersee | I hear watching TV is popular too. |
| 07:10:58 | andersee | Should try that sometime. |
| 07:10:59 | andersee | ;) |
| 07:11:29 | collord | yes |
| 07:11:30 | collord | yes |
| 07:11:31 | collord | yes |
| 07:11:54 | collord | sleep too |
| 07:12:13 | andersee | That is also a popular choice. Han't tried it myself. |
| 07:12:44 | andersee | is debugging instead |
| 07:13:41 | collord | a little progress.... |
| 07:14:02 | andersee | You are compiling perl still? |
| 07:14:33 | collord | listen, i just started this today |
| 07:14:47 | collord | and i'm slow |
| 07:15:04 | andersee | No, I'm not disparaging you about it. Just wondering if thats what your making progress with. |
| 07:15:06 | collord | so :P |
| 07:15:10 | collord | yes |
| 07:15:14 | collord | i thin |
| 07:15:20 | collord | think that is |
| 07:15:32 | collord | i'll be thin too if i don't stop to eat |
| 07:15:36 | andersee | I think I have notes somewhere on how I compiled it... |
| 07:15:46 | andersee | Cross-compiling for the tux? |
| 07:17:37 | collord | no actually, this is embarassing, my goal was to do an i386 version for the whole thing |
| 07:18:44 | andersee | Ahh |
| 07:18:45 | collord | it would be cool to have one world-buildable system we could use across architectures |
| 07:18:54 | collord | small |
| 07:19:03 | collord | and i386 is what gear we have now |
| 07:19:18 | collord | and i needed a starting point to see how feasible |
| 07:20:38 | andersee | Check this out then: http://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 07:21:12 | andersee | It builds a simple user-mode-linux X86 system using buildroot. |
| 07:22:10 | collord | hrm interesting |
| 07:22:34 | collord | yes uml is something to play with |
| 10:26:35 | file | dc[wastingtime] : good idea |
| 10:59:29 | dc[wastingtime] | file: file :D |
| 14:24:37 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:17:10) |
| 14:24:41 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:45:04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:58:35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: morning |
| 15:03:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, you think there is much future in fltk? |
| 15:03:52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean verses Qt, seems like everyone is headed toward Qt since the zaurus came out |
| 15:06:12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I really don't think QT has much of a future in the embedded space either... |
| 15:06:48 | sjhill | Qt...can you say bloat? |
| 15:07:10 | CosmicPenguin | QT still has a future, of course (KDE), but after the inital fury over the embedded space, everyone and their uncle produced a light weight tool kit, and we're back to square one |
| 15:07:38 | CosmicPenguin | you have tinyx, QT, Microwindows, directfb, GTKfb |
| 15:07:43 | CosmicPenguin | And those are just the ones I can think of |
| 15:08:25 | CosmicPenguin | You have your choice of toolkits with TinyX, and you would have your choice of toolkits with Microwindows (if we could get some ported) |
| 15:08:33 | CosmicPenguin | While you are pretty restricted with Qtopia and GTK fb |
| 15:08:41 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno what directfb brings to the table |
| 15:09:01 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: an extremely convuluted build system? |
| 15:09:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but to answer your question - FLTK remains one of the most stable and easy to use toolkits out there.... |
| 15:09:25 | CosmicPenguin | I think it has a future - BUt the jury is still out on V2.0.... |
| 15:11:11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i hear ya there |
| 15:11:45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have they gotten x running on the zaurus yet? |
| 15:12:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I haven't heard - It almost feels as though the Zaurus development has dropped off lately |
| 15:12:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i got that feeling too |
| 15:12:40 | file | hi |
| 15:13:37 | file | didn't the VR3 run X? |
| 15:13:39 | CosmicPenguin | Did anyone here buy a Zaurus? |
| 15:13:57 | CosmicPenguin | file: I believe the second version did - Initally it ran W, IRRC |
| 15:14:07 | CosmicPenguin | s/IRRC/IIRC/ |
| 15:14:07 | file | uh huh |
| 15:15:54 | file | I believe that's why it was so slow |
| 15:15:58 | file | running X... |
| 15:19:01 | file | pokes CosmicPenguin |
| 15:19:08 | CosmicPenguin | yesssss? |
| 15:19:27 | file | how good is W? |
| 15:19:34 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it was ok |
| 15:19:45 | CosmicPenguin | It died out though - TinyX killed alot of pretty good projects |
| 15:19:51 | CosmicPenguin | brb - gonna reboot Xchat |
| 15:20:45 | CosmicPenguin | ok... better |
| 15:28:18 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a new extension of goodwin's law: |
| 15:29:19 | CosmicPenguin | In any discussion involving hackers under the age of 18, every new topic mentioned will eventually lead to the mention of pr0n |
| 15:34:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw the yopy was the one that ran W first |
| 15:34:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats right |
| 15:34:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 15:35:01 | CosmicPenguin | I can't keep all these old POS PDA's apart |
| 15:35:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: addendem: and old married men will eventually lead to the mention of beer |
| 15:37:56 | CosmicPenguin | even young unmarried men..... :) |
| 15:39:53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you know if Century is still going to push flnx in some for form or fashion? |
| 15:53:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lemme tell you what I know - The current FLNX effort is a very hackified version of 1.0.7 |
| 15:53:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it works - but there are obvious problems that probably could have been avoided with better porting |
| 15:53:48 | CosmicPenguin | Also, when FLNX was first written, Microwindows wasn't anywhere near as mature as it is now |
| 15:54:40 | CosmicPenguin | So in order to do FLNX right - we would have to take the newest version of FLTK, and port it again, this time more correctly (ie, adding new features to Microwindows when we need them, instead of hacking in temporary fixes into FLTK) |
| 15:55:46 | CosmicPenguin | But this of course is my opinion, and not nessesarly the opinion of my boss(es) |
| 16:01:11 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:09:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: more news then you wanted to know probably |
| 16:17:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, thats the kinda info i was looking for |
| 16:17:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one of my customers is concerned that we are doing his app in fltk |
| 16:17:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he keep reading all this about the acceptance of Qt |
| 16:20:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: has he been reading Linux Journal again... :) |
| 16:24:57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya, its more of the pop-n-pazza on the embedded linux developer pages like mizi and sharp |
| 16:30:23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm surprised he didn't have you reimplement everything with Zope...:-) |
| 16:49:33 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:50:33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: anyway, I think that FLTK has a good future |
| 16:51:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good, because thats where i intend on putting my efforst |
| 16:51:06 | prpplague | efforts |
| 17:15:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its also easier and cheaper for the client - plus job security since the number of FLTK developers is much less than the number of QT developers |
| 17:31:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 18:52:16 | | Test cancelled. |
| 18:52:16 | fontenot | ibot: test |
| 19:01:10 | CosmicPenguin | No matter how slow the day is, we always have ibot to push around |
| 19:15:29 | | Russ|werk: what? |
| 19:15:29 | Russ|werk | ibot: bring me a shrubbery |
| 19:15:36 | | Russ|werk: excuse me? |
| 19:15:36 | Russ|werk | ibot: ne! |
| 19:25:40 | | prpplague: excuse me? |
| 19:25:40 | prpplague | ibot: eat dirt |
| 19:26:12 | | somebody said yo momma was nothing but a wretched ass-full of it-fowling snake bait. |
| 19:26:12 | Russ|werk | ibot: yo momma |
| 19:26:33 | | prpplague: i'm not following you... |
| 19:26:33 | prpplague | ibot: you stink |
| 19:30:29 | Russ|werk | prpplague: its fun to put them in an infinate loop (ibot: foo is <reply> lxrbot: foo?, and vice versa) |
| 19:34:34 | | fontenot: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 19:34:34 | fontenot | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 19:34:39 | fontenot | arg! |
| 19:34:50 | | ...but ibot is braindead... |
| 19:34:50 | fontenot | ibot: you are useless |
| 19:35:29 | | i already had it that way, CosmicPenguin. |
| 19:35:29 | CosmicPenguin | ibot - you are worthless |
| 19:35:54 | | ...but ibot is braindead... |
| 19:35:54 | fontenot | ibot: you are not very swift |
| 19:35:59 | | ...but ibot is braindead... |
| 19:35:59 | fontenot | ibot: you are not very swift |
| 19:36:01 | | ...but ibot is braindead... |
| 19:36:01 | fontenot | ibot: you are not very swift |
| 19:36:12 | | CosmicPenguin: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 19:36:12 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: weather kslc |
| 19:36:25 | | fontenot: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 19:36:25 | fontenot | ibot: weather klvn |
| 19:36:25 | | i haven't a clue, cosmicpenguin |
| 19:36:25 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: are you even connected to the web? |
| 19:36:33 | | i haven't a clue, cosmicpenguin |
| 19:36:33 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: can't you ping somebody? |
| 19:36:49 | | bugger all, i dunno, cosmicpenguin |
| 19:36:49 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: can't you get my name right? |
| 19:39:18 | fontenot | lol |
| 19:55:58 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: you can get bots to register with nickserv if you bored |
| 19:56:04 | Russ|werk | (tell nickserv about register... |
| 20:26:07 | CosmicPenguin | bailing to Jackson for the weekend -- see you guys later |
| 20:54:01 | prpplague | kinda quite here today |
| 20:54:13 | prpplague | everyone must be out for the weekend |
| 21:06:24 | prpplague | anyone mind give me a couple of pointers for compiling xfree86? |
| 21:32:28 | prpplague | anyone mind give me a couple of pointers for compiling xfree86? |
| 22:02:57 | prpplague | andersee: ! |
| 22:02:59 | prpplague | andersee: help |
| 22:04:05 | prpplague | andersee: mind giving me a couple pointers on compiling xfree86 3.3.6 |
| 22:04:09 | prpplague | ? |
| 22:15:45 | andersee | prpplague: hmm |
| 22:15:49 | andersee | whats the problem? |
| 22:16:08 | andersee | disclaimer -- never compiled it myself... |
| 22:16:49 | prpplague | andersee: seem the build keeps adding the -D__arm__ flag even though i'm compiling for x86 |
| 22:41:24 | andersee | dunno. Grep doing a 'grep -r arm' on the source.... |
| 22:44:14 | prpplague | andersee: been there done that, seem that all the files that contain the arm references are ones that are auto-generated during build |
| 22:44:20 | prpplague | andersee: its driving me nuts |
| 22:44:34 | prpplague | andersee: i can't believe the x build is so clunky |
| 22:51:46 | andersee | Any patches being applied? I think there is somesortof .defs file, right? |
| 22:52:55 | prpplague | fresh source |
| 22:53:22 | prpplague | andersee: ya, been through the .defs ,but nothing defined for arm |
| 22:53:24 | file | I'm back |