| 01:43:16 | Sammy | hello all |
| 01:43:23 | prpplague | Sammy: knee how |
| 01:43:32 | prpplague | any c/c++ gurus alive? |
| 01:44:27 | prpplague | as2: your a c guru aren't you? |
| 01:49:52 | as2 | Sadly, the oppasit. |
| 01:50:11 | prpplague | hmm |
| 01:50:25 | as2 | Ive done ARM asm for about 7 years, but I'm neerly clueless about C. |
| 01:50:51 | prpplague | lowers his head in disappointment |
| 01:51:01 | as2 | Sorry :] |
| 01:51:09 | prpplague | as2: jk |
| 01:51:14 | as2 | ;] |
| 01:51:48 | prpplague | as2: i've got a ton of learning to do for c/c++ |
| 01:52:10 | as2 | I plan to avoid c++. I'll need to learn C at somepoint. |
| 01:54:10 | prpplague | as2: lol, i just saw a AOHell commercial where this guys is say "my mother has it, my brother has it, my uncle has it", sounds like they need to go see a doctor and get rid of it |
| 01:54:26 | as2 | Hahahaha. |
| 01:55:32 | prpplague | argh, i need "nice" c guru to explain something to me |
| 01:55:40 | prpplague | i hate the #c |
| 01:55:46 | prpplague | everyone is soooo rude |
| 01:56:36 | prpplague | its like they have a irc script that automaticaly respondes "moron, RTFM" |
| 02:07:15 | as2 | ITs easier than actually helping. |
| 02:07:52 | as2 | IT also covers the people that dont know the answer to the question. |
| 02:08:02 | prpplague | as2: ya, thats what i gathered |
| 02:08:31 | prpplague | as2: its one thing to be able to do something, its quite another to be able to teach or explain it to someone else |
| 02:09:05 | as2 | There is another way of looking at it though. |
| 02:09:33 | as2 | I helped in #asm EFNET for, yikes, over a year. The constant stream of stupid questions wears you down. |
| 02:10:04 | as2 | Plus only a tiny number of the people you spend 2 hours helping ever comes back. |
| 02:11:28 | prpplague | as2: you have a point |
| 02:11:43 | prpplague | brb, gotta run the convenience store |
| 02:12:35 | as2 | IVe also been in channels that if you ask a question you get banned becuase the owners know fa. |
| 02:13:03 | as2 | Not asking any questions is part of the channel rules for #tivo, hahaha. |
| 02:14:41 | fontenot_ | i HATE that fucking channel |
| 02:14:47 | fontenot_ | bastards |
| 02:15:52 | as2 | The channel owner is a moron. |
| 02:16:17 | as2 | One of the other ops seemed to know more and didnt mind chatting. |
| 02:17:31 | as2 | Not much more mind. |
| 02:31:39 | prpplague | have ya'll done the tivo hacks? |
| 02:39:25 | fontenot | ive replaced the drive in mine |
| 02:39:31 | fontenot | with a 120GB model |
| 02:41:09 | fontenot | it was extremely easy |
| 02:43:49 | as2 | I dont have a Tivo, I have a sky+ :/ |
| 02:44:05 | as2 | Ive uped my sky+ to 120 but its nothing like a Tivo. |
| 02:44:34 | as2 | sky+ is the UK equivalent of a DirecTivo. |
| 02:44:55 | prpplague | 's fun mission tomorrow is to get the new dw4020 satellite modem working on a unix network |
| 02:46:01 | as2 | I'm still after info that would get me a way into the sky+. All the hardware is radically different from everything else, uses a NEC MIPS chipset :/ |
| 02:46:24 | prpplague | as2: eww |
| 02:47:29 | prpplague | as2: you know, i'm very happy that linux runs on MIPS, but...., i find MIPS to obscure for my tastes |
| 02:48:19 | as_ | <prpplague> as2: eww |
| 02:48:37 | as_ | More eww, NEC dont release datasheet info to the public. |
| 02:49:08 | as_ | I havnt been able to get hold of so much a pinout of this damn chip. |
| 02:49:37 | prpplague | as_: my point |
| 02:50:58 | as_ | And do they use the MIPS standard and publically documented EJTAG debug interface? Do they hell. |
| 02:51:24 | as_ | Makes me mad. |
| 02:52:54 | as_ | The box service manual is due out at the end of this year, which should give me the minimum amount of info I need to start hacking it. |
| 02:53:10 | as_ | Touch wood. |
| 02:53:44 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:54:33 | as_ | Seriosly, if they have boundry scan, I think I can hack it just knowing which pins are what. |
| 03:02:49 | prpplague | fontenot: you do any c/c++? |
| 03:50:46 | bhima | hrm. tinyx has fscked up colors. |
| 03:51:25 | bhima | oh. wait. there. I see it. |
| 03:52:14 | bhima | bounces. |
| 03:52:20 | bhima | 's tuxscreen is happy. |
| 05:21:05 | pmisfit | whelp, a tux native gdbserver, and an arm-linux-gdb are built. |
| 05:21:30 | andersee | neeto |
| 05:21:58 | pmisfit | i can't believe i'm the first person to do this though... |
| 05:23:06 | andersee | But didn't I make a gdb.mk for buildroot? |
| 05:23:26 | pmisfit | i didn't see one there, so i wrote one. |
| 05:23:35 | pmisfit | for buildroot-tux. |
| 05:23:38 | andersee | looks |
| 05:24:46 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed andersen]$ cd tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/make/ |
| 05:24:46 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed make]$ ll gdb.mk |
| 05:24:46 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 1.2k May 29 08:25 gdb.mk |
| 05:24:46 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed make]$ cvs status gdb.mk |
| 05:24:46 | andersee | andersee@cvs.sourceforge.net's password: |
| 05:24:47 | andersee | =================================================================== |
| 05:24:49 | andersee | file: gdb.mk Status: Up-to-date |
| 05:24:51 | andersee | Working revision: 1.1 |
| 05:24:53 | andersee | Repository revision: 1.1 /cvsroot/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/make/gdb.mk,v |
| 05:24:55 | andersee | Sticky Tag: (none) |
| 05:24:57 | andersee | Sticky Date: (none) |
| 05:24:59 | andersee | Sticky Options: (none) |
| 05:25:15 | pmisfit | !!!? |
| 05:25:59 | pmisfit | *sigh*. all that wasted work... |
| 05:26:11 | pmisfit | bummer i had to fork off of the main cvs buildroot-tux. |
| 05:26:25 | andersee | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/make/gdb.mk?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 05:26:44 | andersee | Compare notes -- I may have missed stuff... |
| 05:26:58 | pmisfit | thanks. when i *started* trying to get gdb to run.. there wasn't a gdb.mk in cvs :-/ |
| 05:26:59 | andersee | When I tried it, gdb was kindof acting wierd for me... |
| 05:27:32 | pmisfit | yeah. if i issue run from arm-linux-gdb, gdbserver dies with "Killing inferior" |
| 05:27:35 | andersee | Sorry. :-( Been there for 4 days now... You should subscribe to the cvs-commits list. |
| 05:28:57 | pmisfit | thanks, i'm on the commits list, but... i have to remember to *check* it. procmail, you know... |
| 05:29:16 | pmisfit | starts diffing and merging |
| 05:47:36 | pmisfit | hmm. the cvs gdb.mk refuses to build. i'm using 2.95 toolchain. |
| 05:47:42 | pmisfit | but mine does build: |
| 05:47:45 | pmisfit | -mkdir $(GDB_DIR)/arm-linux |
| 05:47:45 | pmisfit | ( cd $(GDB_DIR)/arm-linux; \ |
| 05:47:45 | pmisfit | CC=${TARGET_CC} CC_FOR_BUILD=`which gcc` \ |
| 05:47:45 | pmisfit | ../configure --target=arm-linux --host=arm-linux \ |
| 05:47:46 | pmisfit | --disable-sim --prefix=$(STAGING_DIR) ) |
| 05:48:13 | pmisfit | pretty clear i can't keep up with the treadmill. |
| 05:48:48 | pmisfit | with cvs gdb.mk, i get: trad-core.c:122: `NBPG' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 05:50:34 | pmisfit | sorry, man. the jffs-blob left me in the dust, now looks like new toolchain is going to leave me further in the dust. |
| 05:51:07 | pmisfit | can't keep up... falling by side of road... ack. |
| 05:51:28 | pmisfit | *thud* |
| 06:00:01 | pmisfit | is away: urk. |
| 08:19:39 | fontenot | months ago slashdot had an article about mobile computing, I saved a link which I have since lost for a compamy making an automotive computer |
| 08:19:55 | fontenot | not slashdot is screwed up - searched are screwed and dont show posts, etc |
| 08:19:58 | fontenot | :-( |
| 08:20:00 | fontenot | NOW |
| 08:21:31 | fontenot | also while I'm ranting, i HATE sites that dont date their articles |
| 08:21:41 | fontenot | or worse yet, put today's date on the page |
| 08:22:35 | andersee | Wouldn't it make it hard to search if all articles have today's date? |
| 08:24:24 | fontenot | sorry - I was not referring to slashdot with the date comment |
| 08:25:01 | fontenot | another site I found through a google search - was talking about the *upcoming* empeg car mp3 player and the date was June 3rd 2002 |
| 08:25:28 | fontenot | I am tring to find this company that makes computers that mount in car stereo spaces |
| 08:25:39 | fontenot | i saved the link and lost it :-( |
| 08:26:10 | fontenot | a 1.5DIN size would be ideal |
| 08:27:25 | andersee | Like this: http://www.phatnoise.com/ |
| 08:29:44 | andersee | or this: http://www.ssiamerica.com/products/neo35/ |
| 08:30:06 | fontenot | interesting, but I am looking for a general purpose computer that can run linux but happens to mount in a stereo space |
| 08:30:19 | fontenot | i cant believe I lost that link... |
| 08:30:26 | fontenot | maybe it's on my decommissioned machine |
| 08:33:21 | fontenot | I'mm have to hook that machine up sometime and check - I had to drag it out last week to burn a cdrom |
| 08:40:49 | andersee | When I take down an old machine, I usually either copy /etc /var/ and /home to the new box, or I just plug the drive into the new box for a month or two. |
| 08:43:47 | fontenot | yeah that's a good policy |
| 09:52:22 | fontenot | hmm, maybe searching on telematics will be more fruitful |
| 14:15:23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ! |
| 14:15:31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where ya been friend? |
| 14:15:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I took a 10 day vacation to Italy |
| 14:16:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, you should have talked to the guys in #blob, they were there as well |
| 14:16:47 | ctr | heh all |
| 14:16:51 | ctr | has finished his degree |
| 14:16:54 | ctr | is now job hunting |
| 14:17:03 | prpplague | congrades ctr |
| 14:17:19 | prpplague | now you start your real education, lol |
| 14:18:32 | ctr | i get my degree clasification on thursday/friday |
| 14:19:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey when you get back into the swing of things, i could use a little Q/A session on a couple of FLTK related items, if you don't mind |
| 14:20:04 | prpplague | ctr: "certified computer guru" ? lol |
| 14:21:00 | ctr | weeeeeeeeeeeel |
| 14:21:09 | ctr | i am hoping for a 1st class w/ hons |
| 14:21:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not a problem |
| 14:22:22 | CosmicPenguin | got his PS2 linux while he was gone |
| 14:22:29 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... new toys |
| 14:22:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 14:23:01 | CosmicPenguin | now if I can just get on a mailing list, we'll be set |
| 14:23:40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm headed down this weekend to buy as many of those little dictionary/translation devices as i can to see what makes them tick |
| 14:23:42 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: whats the kit like? |
| 14:33:47 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: sorry, I have way too much e-mial |
| 14:34:16 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: the kit has 2 cds, a hard drive, a network adapter, a mouse, a keyboard and a video adapter for a monitor |
| 14:34:59 | ctr | cool |
| 14:45:30 | CosmicPenguin | the #ps2linux room is dead though - I would have thought there would be lots of discussion, etc.... |
| 15:09:59 | CosmicPenguin | woo-hoo - somebody has already ported mame to the PS2..... :) |
| 15:10:07 | CosmicPenguin | does a little dance |
| 15:22:08 | prpplague | TomW: howdy |
| 15:22:29 | TomW | I didn't do it! It must have been someone else! |
| 15:22:33 | TomW | Um, hello! |
| 15:22:44 | prpplague | TomW: thats what i said this morning! |
| 15:23:13 | TomW | projects are starting to come in again, looks like some money out there is starting to loosen up. |
| 15:23:43 | TomW | Maybe I can still stay home this year too? |
| 15:23:57 | prpplague | TomW: you client pay up? |
| 15:24:16 | TomW | some money, I got a check for $2K on Friday. |
| 15:24:24 | TomW | solvent again, for a while... |
| 15:25:47 | prpplague | TomW: cool |
| 15:27:23 | TomW | yes, but it now means that I won't have a lot of free time to play with the Tux. :-( |
| 15:30:51 | prpplague | bummer |
| 15:55:35 | TomW | prpplague: time to goto the bank (income), then start passing out the money (outgo)... later |
| 15:55:45 | prpplague | TomW: later |
| 15:56:06 | TomW | prpplague: then goto the market and get food!!! |
| 15:56:23 | prpplague | TomW: pretzels and coffee? |
| 15:56:27 | TomW | heh |
| 15:56:45 | TomW | tea & crackers. |
| 15:56:58 | TomW | and cheese |
| 15:57:01 | TomW | and milk |
| 15:57:04 | TomW | and ... |
| 15:57:18 | TomW | is away: passing out money |
| 18:04:46 | bhima | yaws. |
| 18:10:49 | bhima | s/yaws/yawns/ |
| 18:13:23 | fontenot | lol |
| 18:13:35 | fontenot | pitches |
| 18:15:32 | bhima | any idea why the screen flickers with my wavelan card? |
| 18:16:01 | CosmicPenguin | power |
| 18:16:26 | bhima | would a big capacitor across the 5v/ground line make sense? |
| 18:17:19 | CosmicPenguin | bhima: I dunno.... I'm not an electrical expert, but I do know that past problems there have been power related |
| 18:17:50 | bhima | it looks to me like it's more likely some bizarre bus related issue. but I don't know. |
| 18:18:05 | fontenot | it was an interrupt issue on the ipaq |
| 18:18:09 | bhima | the screen stays correctly light, it just appears to have the wrong data displayed. |
| 18:19:36 | bhima | fontenot: how did they fix it? |
| 18:20:49 | fontenot | bhima: I dont know how they did it, but the gurus on handhelds.org should |
| 18:21:18 | bhima | ok. will look into that. thanks. |
| 18:21:33 | bhima | I have two ipaqs too :) |
| 18:21:40 | bhima | but they seem happy with wavelan. |
| 18:21:53 | bhima | my car needs wavelan, and the tuxscreen is how I am gonna do it. |
| 18:26:51 | fontenot | bhima: cool I want to mount one of mine in my jeep |
| 18:27:27 | bhima | I took the LCD and made it much much thicker and mounted all of the thing in there. |
| 18:27:38 | mozzer | What's wavelan? |
| 18:27:51 | bhima | IEEE 802.11b |
| 18:28:28 | bhima | 2.4GHz wireless ethernet. |
| 18:28:35 | mozzer | Ah. |
| 18:28:41 | mozzer | bhima: thanks |
| 18:30:30 | pattieja | is back (gone 67:29:30) |
| 18:38:43 | primal39 | is away: brb |
| 18:51:00 | fontenot | bhima: how did you make the lcd case thicker? |
| 18:54:44 | primal39 | is back (gone 00:16:01) |
| 18:54:48 | bhima | I took four pieces of acrylic and used a heat gun to fold them. |
| 18:55:12 | bhima | drilled holes, and then used the original scres on one side and nut/bolt combos on the other. |
| 18:56:16 | bhima | I used #4 screws (#6 are too thick) and platic spacers with another piece of acrylic to hodl the motherboard/daughterboard. |
| 19:06:36 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 10 hours, 25 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: When I take down an old machine, I usually either copy /etc /var/ and /home to the new box, or I just plug the drive into the new box for a month or two. [Mon Jun 3 09:40:49 2002] |
| 19:06:36 | Russ|werk | ibot: seen andersee |
| 19:08:08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey dude, i saw the #blob topic |
| 19:08:37 | prpplague | Russ|werk: making progress i guess |
| 19:09:08 | Russ|werk | ya, that was a while ago |
| 19:09:20 | Russ|werk | I've been probing it, I didn't work on it this weekend because I had a lan |
| 19:09:56 | Russ|werk | a few gpio's and bcr lines are mia, but I should be able to track them down |
| 19:10:06 | prpplague | Russ|werk: cool |
| 19:10:16 | prpplague | Russ|werk: seems something is going on over at CIIT |
| 19:10:33 | Russ|werk | I know which lines are usb if you want to play with that- |
| 19:10:35 | prpplague | Russ|werk: they have a new korean web page, and a lot of email traffic |
| 19:10:53 | Russ|werk | does the fish do a very good job? |
| 19:11:04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya seems to do well |
| 19:11:17 | prpplague | Russ|werk: its readable |
| 19:22:19 | bhima | waves at bzflag |
| 20:09:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are those STB's available yet |
| 20:09:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 20:10:01 | ctr | wow |
| 20:10:07 | ctr | it rocks to have people using your stuff :) |
| 20:10:31 | prpplague | ctr: why did you post some pr0n? lol |
| 20:11:14 | ctr | hehe |
| 20:11:16 | ctr | nah |
| 20:11:17 | ctr | just ferite |
| 20:11:18 | prpplague | ctr: what are ppl using? |
| 20:11:20 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:11:28 | ctr | it's almost 2 years old |
| 20:11:41 | prpplague | the terrible two's |
| 20:39:08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not quite yet - we should have a demo box ready very soon though |
| 20:46:49 | file | prpplague : good day. |
| 20:51:33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you have any models with dual nics? |
| 20:52:03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: dual nics for a home router, right? |
| 20:52:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: small vpn stuff,commercial |
| 21:00:00 | Russ|werk | ThomasFromParis: are you anywhere near the 75014 zip? |
| 21:00:17 | ThomasFromParis | yes |
| 21:00:27 | ThomasFromParis | 75020 (Nation) |
| 21:00:38 | Russ|werk | happen to know where the FIAP is? |
| 21:01:03 | ThomasFromParis | what is the FIAP ? |
| 21:01:11 | Russ|werk | its a hotel at 30 rue Cabanis |
| 21:03:29 | Russ|werk | do you happen to have an el cheapo watch? |
| 21:03:39 | ThomasFromParis | ok I find It. What do you want to know about FIAP ? |
| 21:05:13 | Russ|werk | do you happen to have like a 2 euro watch lying around? like on of those lucky charms ones? |
| 21:07:05 | ThomasFromParis | I'm not sure to understand ? You are looking for a watch... a cheap watch |
| 21:07:44 | Russ|werk | my gf is staying at the FIAP right now, and she forgot a watch, so her mother gave her her watch at the airport |
| 21:07:55 | Russ|werk | but she's worried about losing that watch, or breaking it |
| 21:08:16 | ThomasFromParis | ok I understand |
| 21:08:33 | Russ|werk | I told her I'd see if I could find a cheap watch for her |
| 21:08:46 | Russ|werk | and plus, it'd really freak her out |
| 21:09:30 | Russ|werk | do you have a cheap watch? |
| 21:10:10 | ThomasFromParis | not me I'm not wearing watches |
| 21:10:58 | Russ|werk | bummer |
| 21:11:05 | Russ|werk | where can you buy a 2 euro watch? |
| 21:15:16 | ThomasFromParis | but she can buy one near "Place de la Republique" |
| 21:16:19 | Russ|werk | are there a lot of little shops around there? |
| 21:18:00 | ThomasFromParis | yes arround the place and on boulevards arround |
| 21:30:05 | TomW | Russ|werk: maybe paypal the money to Thomas? I think it would totally surprice her if Thomas showed up with one. Neat idea! |
| 21:30:23 | Russ|werk | ThomasFromParis: do you have paypal setup? |
| 21:31:14 | TomW | Russ|werk: would show her the incidious reach you have... |
| 21:31:22 | TomW | heh |
| 21:31:41 | TomW | is back (gone 05:34:22) |
| 21:32:53 | ThomasFromParis | I have a paypal account but for 2 euros I can buy it ! |
| 21:36:07 | Russ|werk | If I'm going to send money for you to get a watch, it would probably be 15 so you don't have to hunt |
| 21:47:01 | TomW | mmmm, let's see: Dollars to Euros would be... $12? ;-) |
| 21:48:34 | TomW | Maybe make sure that Mickey Mouse or Barbie is prominently visible on the watch as well? heh |
| 21:49:19 | bhima | anybody here used a wavelan card with a tuxscreen? or any other wireless card? |
| 21:49:33 | bhima | wonders if anybody knows the cause of the flickery distortion... |
| 21:51:40 | TomW | no, but IIRC, there was an problem with the SA1100 series of processors where the interrupts were pre-empting the operation of the LCD DMA controller to an extend where the display controller was getting starved for data when the interrupts were under heavy load. |
| 21:52:01 | bhima | that seems like a reasonable way to describe what I saw. |
| 21:52:10 | TomW | This reportedly had been corrected in the subsequent SA1110 dies. |
| 21:52:45 | bhima | sighs. interesting. |
| 21:53:10 | bhima | do you think there's a way to make the wavelan driver not trigger this bug? |
| 22:20:07 | jacques | any rpm experts here? |
| 22:35:57 | TomW | jacques: What's an "RPM"? ;-) |
| 22:36:59 | TomW | jacques: "Really Poor Methodology", yeah, I written a few of those.. |
| 22:38:43 | jacques | TomW_gone: it's the package format redhat uses |
| 22:38:54 | TomW_gone | eh? |
| 22:39:10 | TomW_gone | you mean RPM package version? |
| 22:39:44 | jacques | TomW_gone: i need to learn how to build rpm packages |
| 22:39:46 | TomW_gone | IIRC, they switched to RPM version 4 package formats when they released 7.0? |
| 22:40:54 | TomW_gone | but the newer RPM tool should handle the older formats. You have to write a spec file, then do an "rpm -build" or something like that, it has been abt 1.5 years since I messed with it. |
| 22:41:36 | jacques | TomW_gone: yeah, I was hoping there was some way to get a jump on the spec file writing |
| 22:41:44 | TomW_gone | the spec file dictates where the source can be found to build the RPM against and how each component is to be placed into the targeted system. |
| 22:41:47 | jacques | im finding some stuff on freshmeat which may help |
| 22:42:46 | TomW_gone | best way I found to do this is to get a source RPM to tinker with and tear the spec file apart. there is a doc up in the RH site which claims to detail how to build RPMs, it is close (as in horseshoes & hand grenades). |
| 22:43:23 | TomW_gone | the doc is very terse and the example it gives is rather oddball stuff. |
| 22:43:57 | TomW_gone | jacques: gotta go cut the grass, I'll help you out later if you are still stumped. |
| 22:44:10 | jacques | TomW_gone: yeah I have had experience with that doc - that's why I'm looking for more help :-) |
| 22:44:18 | jacques | TomW_gone: thanks, later |
| 22:44:38 | TomW_gone | get a few source rpms and just try the build command under rpm against them.. |
| 22:45:40 | TomW_gone | IIRC, /usr/share/src/RPM/SOURCE is where it expects to find the tarball to use against the specfile, unless you tell it otherwise. |
| 22:46:03 | jacques | TomW_gone: ok cool |
| 23:13:14 | file | waves to everyone |