| 00:20:00 | wzdd | Hello |
| 00:21:28 | as_ | Aloha. |
| 01:45:27 | jacques | hi |
| 04:16:02 | jacques | hello TomW |
| 04:16:37 | TomW | Hello jacques |
| 04:16:51 | TomW | what's new? |
| 04:17:02 | jacques | not too much |
| 04:17:17 | jacques | im going to try to mount one of my tuxes in a metal box |
| 04:17:49 | TomW | Where are you going to put the box in the car? |
| 04:19:14 | jacques | not sure yet |
| 04:19:39 | TomW | jacques: can you bring up http://www.linuxjournal.com? I am having trouble reaching some websites. |
| 04:20:03 | jacques | it's cpoming up very slowly |
| 04:20:24 | jacques | actually not at all |
| 04:20:35 | jacques | wget cant even conncet |
| 04:20:41 | jacques | connect |
| 04:21:31 | TomW | hmmm, I am on another network and I cannot bring it up either. |
| 04:21:35 | jacques | TomW: do you remember if the tuxscreen board measurements are online anywhere? |
| 04:21:58 | TomW | No, but I have some boards here I can measure. |
| 04:22:29 | jacques | np I can measure mine too when I get home |
| 04:22:57 | jacques | i wish the guy that did the tuxpad would post the measurements |
| 04:23:02 | jacques | and how he made that cool case |
| 04:24:34 | TomW | why bother with making a box for it? Couldn't you just sit the Tux on the seat next to you? |
| 04:26:24 | jacques | i want a permament installation for (among other things) playing with digital radio modes |
| 04:27:22 | TomW | ah |
| 04:29:10 | TomW | well, I had a good day. Went to see a prospective client, they make a few million DVDs each month. They need a system to bring data from the production machines back to an Oracle database. |
| 04:29:55 | jacques | cool |
| 04:29:58 | jacques | that's a lot of dvd |
| 04:30:00 | jacques | s |
| 04:30:46 | TomW | He is a ham operator who bought two of my MP100 repeater controllers about 6..7 years ago. He is also the process manager at that company. |
| 04:31:36 | jacques | does they require hardware or just software? |
| 04:32:37 | TomW | He recalled that I did consulting and had asked if I was intereseted in the contract. They buy the parts, I provide the software. I am thinking of Kylix + linux and that seems ok with him. It will be a touch screen PC at each of the 77 machines with a 100BaseT network back to the Oracle database. |
| 04:33:27 | TomW | Looks like a nice job. I don't know Oracle, but I have a friend who does Oracle, so he is going to do that part of the job. |
| 04:33:58 | TomW | Work is starting to come in again. It has been slow here for the past 4 months. |
| 04:34:13 | jacques | well congrats then |
| 04:34:15 | TomW | Time to stop messing with the Tux and go make money? |
| 04:34:23 | jacques | except you wont be here as much :-\ |
| 04:34:27 | TomW | heh |
| 04:34:44 | TomW | Not for a month, or so, anyway.. |
| 04:36:04 | TomW | Everything is in the proposal stage, so no congrats yet. |
| 04:36:58 | TomW | Still, they want the touchscreen LCD PC's and at 77 units, that is not going to be a low-bucks project. |
| 04:37:32 | jacques | yeah |
| 04:37:45 | jacques | ruggedized? |
| 04:37:52 | jacques | much more $$$ |
| 04:38:14 | TomW | no, this is more of a clean-room environment. DVDs don't like dirt. |
| 04:38:45 | jacques | lol |
| 04:39:06 | jacques | i was picturing an env like the refinery i worked at one summer in college |
| 04:39:12 | TomW | heh |
| 04:42:08 | TomW | They had a Windoze machine (touchscreen + PC) that a couple of their techs had put together with some PLCs (Programmable Logic Computers) that did something like what I am proposing. When he showed the thing to me, I asked if it was windoze. He said it was. I then asked how often they had to reboot it... |
| 04:43:27 | TomW | He said "often" and when they had a local power failure / blue screen, they would lose an entire days worth of data. |
| 04:45:00 | jacques | no f*cking way |
| 04:45:09 | TomW | The techs had resigned after selling the first unit to the company, then went into business for themselves hoping to sell more of the windoze systems to the company. The company didn't like it as the whole unit was proprietary and if the two techs disappeared they had no way to service the unit. |
| 04:45:27 | jacques | how do ppl put up with that sh*t |
| 04:46:43 | jacques | i hope those guys are working at starbucks now |
| 04:46:51 | TomW | What I proposed to him was a stable o/s with no licensing fees, and the source code to what I build for them. I told them that I wanted to turn the daily operation & software maintenace over to their people. I would come in for major work that their people couldn't handle. |
| 04:47:17 | TomW | THAT is exactly what he wants: control of the resultant system by in-house people. |
| 04:49:55 | jacques | well most ppl with a brain would require that |
| 04:50:04 | jacques | IMHO |
| 04:51:10 | TomW | The only copyright I want is that this software is to be used only at that manufacturing facility, if they want to use it at another facility they will have to purchase another package. |
| 04:51:44 | TomW | They have the option to purchase the rights to the software, if they so desire. |
| 04:51:57 | jacques | sounds fair |
| 04:52:17 | TomW | Yeah, keeps thier cost down. |
| 04:53:20 | TomW | I'll discount the costs of any subsequent packages to, say, 1/4 the original cost. |
| 04:53:32 | TomW | Horse before the cart, first I need the contract... |
| 04:53:45 | TomW | Nice to dream though. |
| 04:53:48 | TomW | :-) |
| 04:54:38 | jacques | heh |
| 04:54:41 | TomW | I'd like to get my hands on that idiot that thought up that Verizon TV commercial: "can you hear me now?"! |
| 04:59:22 | TomW | I just had a thought, who is going to install linux on 77 computers and configure them? Ehh, looks like there is more labor here to be done.. |
| 05:02:38 | prpplague | TomW: nice post on linuxdevices.com on the dragonix |
| 05:03:11 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, Dani has put a lot of work into that system. |
| 05:03:40 | TomW | His girl-friend tolerates his linux passion. :-) |
| 05:03:40 | prpplague | TomW: well, tell him nice work |
| 05:03:52 | prpplague | TomW: very impressive |
| 05:05:10 | jacques | TomW: just clone the hard drives |
| 05:06:32 | TomW | Yeah, I know, it should be easy to do that. Well, that may be some of the "in-house training" that is required? I set up 2..3 systems to show their people, then let them have at it. |
| 05:07:04 | TomW | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 05:07:14 | wzdd | ... training complete. :) |
| 05:07:14 | jacques | yep |
| 05:07:29 | jacques | hey is that dragonball even 32bit? |
| 05:07:38 | TomW | wzdd: BUT, they want documentation too!! Imagine that! |
| 05:07:48 | jacques | sounds pretty wimpy compared to the strongarm |
| 05:07:51 | TomW | jacques: yes, 5.1 MIPS |
| 05:07:56 | wzdd | TomW: bah, you can write that command on paper, can't you? ;) |
| 05:08:08 | TomW | lol |
| 05:08:22 | TomW | format c: |
| 05:08:51 | jacques | TomW: yes it's 32bit? |
| 05:08:56 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 12 hours, 48 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: jacmet: hi... [Wed May 29 17:20:45 2002] |
| 05:08:56 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 05:09:04 | TomW | It should be an interesting experience locating a X86 touchscreen PC (rack mount) that will run linux. |
| 05:09:53 | TomW | jacques: yup, the Dragonball is a 32 bit processor. |
| 05:10:54 | jacques | looks like jg has finally done some ts work |
| 05:11:11 | TomW | ?? |
| 05:11:58 | jacques | http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/building-x.html |
| 05:12:04 | jacques | i got that from linuxdevices |
| 05:12:08 | jacques | updated today |
| 05:12:19 | jacques | he's talking about the "new generic ts driver" |
| 05:13:47 | TomW | Oh, cool! BTW, I recompiled the xfree86-1 debian source. Now I have been looking at putting the ts.c driver into that X-server. |
| 05:14:12 | TomW | jacques: took about 4 hours to compile it on the Tux.. :-( |
| 05:14:27 | TomW | X is BIG! |
| 05:15:17 | jacques | TomW: 4 hours is not that bad :-) |
| 05:15:40 | TomW | I've been trying to setup a cross-compile environ on the workstation so I could build binaries against the debian libc-dev. But, none of my binaries will run. |
| 05:16:44 | TomW | SpeedRacer sent me some mail the other day and mentioned that he had cross compiled tinyx against the debian libs and had it working. I asked him how he did that, no reply yet.. |
| 05:17:00 | jacques | hm |
| 05:17:35 | TomW | I dunno if he did: -nostdinc -nostdlib -nodefaultlib or some such |
| 05:22:09 | TomW | I tried to use andersee's approach: create a virtual compiler that had all the lib & include options built into it. It wants to use the /usr/lib/arm/2.95.3/arm-libs to link against and won't link in crti.o & crtn.o. |
| 05:27:16 | TomW | I almost have my "dream" tux built, all I need is the touchscreen working in the xfree86. |
| 05:33:02 | TomW | time for sleep, later guys.. |
| 06:52:32 | jacques | ic |
| 06:52:57 | jacques | BZFlag: were you able to help microchip32 ? |
| 06:54:06 | BZFlag | nope. went though the normal bits and everything looked right, but it didn't work. |
| 06:58:23 | jacques | damn |
| 06:58:37 | jacques | i ran out of ideas a long time ago |
| 06:59:24 | andersee | I had an idea one. I think I put it in the basement somewhere |
| 06:59:29 | andersee | s/one/once/ |
| 07:00:21 | jacques | hi andersee :-) |
| 07:00:28 | andersee | morning |
| 07:34:29 | Russ | evening andersee |
| 07:36:00 | andersee | howdy |
| 07:36:08 | andersee | is fixing bugs |
| 07:40:56 | andersee | So hows your little arm board doing? |
| 07:41:05 | andersee | That still the current project? |
| 08:05:16 | trevor | ny1 home.....;) |
| 08:17:33 | Russ | yup, going good |
| 08:17:41 | Russ | as well as the RE'ing of the camion |
| 08:17:47 | Russ | been probing the board for a few hours |
| 20:22:19 | jaime | hi |
| 20:22:33 | jaime | other hi |
| 20:24:23 | Russ|werk | hello |
| 20:25:34 | | TomW was last seen on #tuxscreen 14 hours, 52 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: time for sleep, later guys.. [Thu May 30 06:33:02 2002] |
| 20:25:34 | lyakh_home | ibot seen TomW |
| 20:25:52 | jaime | neural network art??? |
| 20:26:42 | jaime | programming ?? |
| 20:28:04 | Russ|werk | what are you talking about? |
| 20:42:24 | jaime | somebody program neural network in c++ |
| 20:44:05 | jaime | somebody program neural network in c++ |
| 20:50:39 | sjhill | jaime: no, wrong channel, go away |
| 22:50:32 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 22:53:27 | andersee | hey Russ|werk you around? |
| 22:53:42 | Russ|werk | ya |
| 22:54:38 | andersee | this morning I found and fixed a problem with broken thread locking on all the uClibc directory handling code -- opendir, closedir, etc. Been that way for two weeks. |
| 22:54:54 | Russ|werk | that sounds right |
| 22:54:57 | andersee | So you might want to see if that is enough to fix things for you |
| 22:55:11 | Russ|werk | have you been able to test iptables with the elf modules? |
| 22:55:30 | Russ|werk | it occurs on both arm and x86 |
| 22:55:36 | Russ|werk | iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT works |
| 22:55:42 | andersee | nope. Had a busy night cleaning stuff. Got an iptables.mk? |
| 22:56:01 | Russ|werk | but iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT doesn't |
| 22:56:42 | Russ|werk | nope, I have my own build system |