| 00:17:22 | slashr | hello |
| 00:21:03 | slashr | hey wzdd :) |
| 00:21:06 | wzdd | hey :) |
| 00:23:42 | slashr | got your tuxscreen yet? |
| 00:24:25 | wzdd | slashr: nup. You? |
| 00:29:39 | slashr | nup :( |
| 00:30:25 | slashr | been like 7 weeks or so |
| 00:35:24 | wzdd | Yep. |
| 00:43:41 | sjhill | andersee: when do you plan to release 0.9.12? |
| 00:44:12 | andersee | As soon as I get the new config system in and Manuel and I can get the locale support mostly stable |
| 00:44:27 | sjhill | k |
| 00:53:32 | andersee | hopefully real soon... |
| 01:49:16 | Sammy | hi all] |
| 01:53:27 | jacques | hello |
| 01:54:17 | jacques | hmm binutils 2.12.1 is out |
| 01:54:54 | jacques | ah changes are listed as "minor changes to configure scripts" |
| 01:57:06 | spd_racer911 | hi jacques |
| 01:58:47 | spd_racer911 | jacques: I used the tinyx.mk from the tuxscreen cvs and built the Xfbdev for the Tuxscreen using libc instead of uClibc. Now I have the dillo browser running on X with the touch screen working...pretty cool |
| 01:59:54 | spd_racer911 | I wonder if we can compile gtk and dillo against uClibc and get that to work ?? |
| 02:00:04 | andersee | spd_racer911: staticly linked it all? Or you have glibc installed? |
| 02:00:15 | andersee | spd_racer911: should be able to... |
| 02:00:58 | jacques | spd_racer911: cool :-) |
| 02:01:21 | spd_racer911 | andersee: right now I am messing around with the familiar dist. via NFS. I have swap space available via compact flash until my 32M SODIMM gets here... I compiled everthing to use shared libraries (ie .so) |
| 02:01:24 | jacques | spd_racer911: I have built gtk against uclibc |
| 02:01:56 | spd_racer911 | jacques: ok, so do you think we could build dillo against uclibc ? |
| 02:03:55 | spd_racer911 | jacques: I find the most difficult part of building different apps is getting the configure scripts to work correctly since we are cross compiling |
| 02:04:38 | jacques | spd_racer911: I kept meaning to try dillo but got sidetracked |
| 02:06:09 | jacques | now my whole xcompile env is in disarray |
| 02:07:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 02:07:17 | spd_racer911 | jacques: could you let me know how to configure and build glib/gtk for uClibc when you get a chance ? Just the configure hints would be good...I don't want to bother too much. |
| 02:15:44 | jacques | spd_racer911: sure I have notes... somewhere |
| 02:16:47 | spd_racer911 | jacques: great! In the mean time I am also going to look at Konquerer embedded...of course it needs qpe... |
| 02:22:14 | spd_racer911 | ok, dillo 0.6.5-1 rocks! |
| 02:38:59 | jacques | hungry |
| 02:39:08 | jacques | must... have... tonkatsu |
| 03:02:04 | BZFlag | kergoth: pong |
| 05:03:06 | jacques | what do ppl think about using a power invertor for powering a tuxscreen in a car? |
| 05:03:11 | jacques | they are getting cheap |
| 05:04:12 | jacques | maybe not as elegant as a DC-DC P/S but a hell of a lot less hassle |
| 05:04:18 | andersee | I'm sure it would work, if thats what you mean. May have trouble getting a long enough phone cord though |
| 05:04:28 | andersee | ;-) |
| 05:04:31 | jacques | lol |
| 05:06:35 | wzdd | *grin* Okay, so the power isn't too "dirty"? |
| 05:06:45 | wzdd | <-- also interested |
| 05:07:04 | jacques | well the tux brick should clean it up |
| 05:07:10 | jacques | one would hope |
| 05:07:20 | jacques | maybe I should just get one and try it - Fry's has them on sale |
| 05:07:29 | jacques | they come in all sizes |
| 05:07:53 | wzdd | why not? The worst you can do is ... I dunno, start global thermonuclear war :) |
| 05:08:11 | jacques | yeah methinks I will try it |
| 05:08:20 | jacques | too bad it's too late to go to Fry's today |
| 05:09:26 | jacques | I also wanna re-case my tux boards into something more regular-shaped |
| 05:09:39 | jacques | preferrably a mettal box with a fan |
| 05:09:47 | jacques | anyone know a good source of those? |
| 05:15:35 | jacques | bueller? |
| 05:20:38 | andersee | radio shack? |
| 05:35:35 | jacques | hm |
| 05:39:22 | jacques | i was hoping to hear of some great place I had never heard of before |
| 05:41:14 | jacques | http://www.surplussales.com/Enclosures/encl_2.html |
| 05:42:26 | jacques | now I need to take some measurements |
| 05:42:28 | jacques | hmmmmm |
| 05:42:39 | jacques | maybe I can fit the brick into the box too.... |
| 05:42:48 | jacques | then just plug it into the invertor |
| 05:44:38 | jacques | tons of metal project boxes hits on google |
| 05:47:13 | jacques | damn there's some ugly surplus boxes out there |
| 05:47:26 | jacques | "Two-tone wood grain and black metal project case" |
| 07:40:29 | wzdd | See you all later |
| 08:34:59 | mallum | hi |
| 08:36:25 | andersee | hey |
| 08:37:19 | mallum | hey andersee, hows the new family member getting on ? |
| 08:39:18 | andersee | all right. Wish she would sleep at more convienient moments... ;) |
| 08:42:15 | mallum | heh :) |
| 08:51:29 | andersee | makes a grub boot floppy |
| 08:53:02 | andersee | tries to bring back his laptop |
| 09:12:08 | andersee | remind me to never test win2k partitioning using my laptop ever again... |
| 09:33:37 | fontenot | andersee: never test win2k partitioning using my laptop ever again |
| 09:44:21 | | OK, mallum. |
| 09:44:21 | mallum | ibot remind andersee is never test win2k partitioning using my laptop ever again |
| 09:45:03 | | i think remind andersee is never test win2k partitioning using mallum's laptop ever again |
| 09:45:03 | fontenot | ibot: remind andersee? |
| 09:45:30 | fontenot | goes to cook sausages. |
| 09:46:09 | andersee | heh |
| 09:46:10 | mallum | my laptop ? |
| 09:46:27 | | mallum's laptop is nothing but a tempestuous puddle of rank bug spit. |
| 09:46:27 | andersee | ibot: insult mallum's laptop |
| 09:46:27 | mallum | its powerpc so I dont think win2k will get very far on it |
| 09:48:43 | | ibot is nothing but an unintelligent enema-bucketful of gorbellied squirrel guts. |
| 09:48:43 | mallum | ibot: insult ibot |
| 09:48:51 | mallum | heh |
| 09:48:54 | mallum | so true |
| 09:49:43 | | ...but ibot is <reply> a lonely little bot with too much to remember and not enough spinach to eat. or a dork or a dumbo or not very swift or not making any sense or raduga's hero... |
| 09:49:43 | andersee | ibot: ibot is a sleezy slimy grime sucking heap of fermented dromedary camel spit |
| 11:01:28 | fontenot | hm |
| 11:47:57 | Morn | is away: showering, no peeking--you know who I mean! |
| 11:49:19 | fontenot | great, the part of sourceshit i need is down again |
| 11:54:01 | fontenot | jacques% telnet sourceforge.net 80 |
| 11:54:04 | fontenot | Trying 216.136.171.196... |
| 11:54:04 | fontenot | telnet: connect to address 216.136.171.196: Connection timed out |
| 11:54:33 | MicroChip32 | turns on Morn's shower cam :) |
| 11:54:57 | file | OH GOD NO |
| 11:55:13 | fontenot | isn't that supposed to be "whom"? |
| 11:55:39 | MicroChip32 | picky picky fontenot |
| 11:55:54 | fontenot | im in a foul mood |
| 11:56:03 | MicroChip32 | wasup ? |
| 11:56:07 | file | fontenot : good for you, bad for us |
| 11:56:29 | fontenot | sourcepieceofshitmotherfuckers |
| 11:56:45 | MicroChip32 | thinks fontenot has connection problems :) |
| 11:56:47 | fontenot | i cant wait til they are gone and the world learns a lesson |
| 11:57:10 | fontenot | about putting all one's eggs in one basket which one does not control |
| 11:57:28 | file | fontenot : are you ok? |
| 11:58:10 | fontenot | i can get to galeon.sourceforge.net, but it's telling me I have to go to sourceforge.net to download. and it's hanging like a misconfigured firewall |
| 11:58:30 | file | I'll give you an excuse to use for why it's not working |
| 11:58:35 | Suran | had problems connecting to sourceforge this morning too. |
| 11:58:44 | fontenot | i have had so many problems with sourceforge over the years |
| 11:58:44 | MicroChip32 | fontenot try again, that ip above was major lagged a min ago according to traceroute, but its ok now |
| 11:58:59 | file | Some one needed the powerstrip, so they pulled the switch plug. |
| 11:59:06 | MicroChip32 | lol file |
| 11:59:06 | fontenot | MicroChip32: it was fine on my traceroute - it takes quite a long time to timeout telnet |
| 11:59:19 | | fontenot: positron router malfunction |
| 11:59:19 | fontenot | ibot: excuse sourceforge |
| 11:59:27 | file | The operators are on strike due to broken coffee machine! |
| 11:59:44 | fontenot | ok, it's decided to allow port 80 connections through again |
| 11:59:56 | file | ooh, how nice of it |
| 12:00:13 | MicroChip32 | wants to get his tux flashed *mutter* |
| 12:00:21 | fontenot | and what's with sourceforge redirecting to mirrors now? |
| 12:00:27 | file | fontenot : dunno |
| 12:00:35 | file | MicroChip32 : flash it then |
| 12:00:35 | MicroChip32 | they're just trying to annoy you fontenot :) |
| 12:00:51 | file | it's a conspiracy |
| 12:01:06 | fontenot | Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. |
| 12:01:06 | fontenot | We supply the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us |
| 12:01:16 | MicroChip32 | file: i cant, from windows I just get one line and it returns to the prompt, no data sent to tux, on linux i cant bind, it says no available ports |
| 12:01:22 | fontenot | i am so fed up with then that everything they do annoys me now |
| 12:01:30 | file | MicroChip32 : life sucks |
| 12:01:39 | MicroChip32 | file: thats supposed to be news ? |
| 12:01:51 | file | fontenot : take a deep breath... in, out |
| 12:01:52 | file | MicroChip32 : no |
| 12:02:44 | fontenot | MicroChip32: im so sorry you still havent been able to flash |
| 12:03:01 | fontenot | im embarrassed that none of the big guns here have been able to help you |
| 12:03:05 | MicroChip32 | is annoyed with inferno/tux |
| 12:03:28 | MicroChip32 | fontenot i think the big guns here have been asleep for the last week, never see any action |
| 12:03:56 | MicroChip32 | i still think there's some little thing ive missed in either or both cases |
| 12:03:58 | fontenot | MicroChip32: :-( |
| 12:04:16 | fontenot | i really think bzflag could help you |
| 12:04:32 | Suran | Is there a simple way to find out if a tuxscreen is dead or just the bootloader f*** up? |
| 12:04:38 | file | I remember when I first got my Cybiko's, and still to this day |
| 12:04:38 | MicroChip32 | prolly, but even when he's on i dont think he's alive |
| 12:04:43 | file | my onboard serial port won't work with it |
| 12:04:50 | file | data goes out, but it don't come in |
| 12:05:03 | file | I had to get another COm port |
| 12:05:06 | file | er serial port |
| 12:05:08 | MicroChip32 | nice file |
| 12:05:42 | fontenot | file: you mean like a PCI serial port card? |
| 12:05:44 | file | it annoyed me |
| 12:05:48 | file | fontenot : quite right |
| 12:06:01 | fontenot | in other news, I upgraded my TiVo last night |
| 12:06:07 | file | how's it work? |
| 12:06:12 | fontenot | process appears to have been quite successful |
| 12:06:25 | fontenot | they have made it so easy now it's almost silly |
| 12:06:35 | MicroChip32 | hey fontenot, did you notice the "unsolicited" recording that tivo forced on eveyone last week ? |
| 12:07:02 | fontenot | MicroChip32: which one? I thought that was only in the UK, though I have noticed quite a few in the past |
| 12:07:33 | fontenot | a couple were good - "That's Life" (cancelled) "Greg the Bunny" (cancelled) |
| 12:07:33 | file | what recording? |
| 12:07:35 | file | what does it say? |
| 12:07:36 | MicroChip32 | i got the impression it was all of tivo, but i could be wrong. I knew there was some reason i never bot tivo :) |
| 12:07:42 | Morn | is back (gone 00:19:47) |
| 12:07:48 | file | they forced you to record stuff? |
| 12:08:08 | MicroChip32 | file: yea, they told everyones receiver to record a certain progrm, wether they wanted to or not |
| 12:08:14 | fontenot | file: occasionally I have noticed my tivo record a new show |
| 12:08:23 | file | that's not good... |
| 12:08:32 | Suran | is that a bug or a feature? |
| 12:08:34 | MicroChip32 | hey Morn: you forgot to cover your shower cam, i got some good photos :) |
| 12:08:39 | MicroChip32 | Suran feature aparently |
| 12:08:41 | fontenot | well, it's in the "suggestions" category - so it will not affect anything you have told it to record |
| 12:08:55 | mallum | You can only get TIVO if ytou have sky in the UK and the box costs a fortune :( |
| 12:08:55 | Morn | giggle |
| 12:08:58 | file | I should get a TiVo |
| 12:09:03 | fontenot | it's just as if it were a suggestion |
| 12:09:06 | file | how much is an old model? |
| 12:09:20 | Suran | Is sky stil using this laughable encryption? |
| 12:09:38 | fontenot | if you tell it to record something else in that slot (season pass, etc) it will take precedence |
| 12:09:56 | fontenot | MicroChip32: do you remember what the show was this time? |
| 12:10:02 | file | pokes people |
| 12:10:05 | Suran | what if you tell it to record thing over a week of vacation and the disk gets full? |
| 12:10:06 | file | any idea what an old model is? |
| 12:10:09 | MicroChip32 | the uk one was some new sitcom i believe |
| 12:10:34 | MicroChip32 | Suran: the data spills out on your carpet |
| 12:10:36 | fontenot | file: I dont know, series 1 should be pretty cheap tho - I know they were on sale because series 2 just came out |
| 12:10:42 | file | k |
| 12:10:43 | file | The only product that microsoft could make that wouldn't suck would be a vacuum cleaner... |
| 12:10:48 | fontenot | lol |
| 12:10:51 | MicroChip32 | ROTFL file |
| 12:11:06 | fontenot | anyway, I turned my "30 hour" tivo into a "145 hour" tivo |
| 12:11:16 | fontenot | in about an hour |
| 12:11:27 | file | great |
| 12:11:30 | MicroChip32 | cool |
| 12:11:31 | fontenot | with a 120GB Maxtor 5400rpm drive |
| 12:11:42 | fontenot | you can actually put 2 160's in if you are rich |
| 12:11:44 | MicroChip32 | now ya got room for all those unwanted recordings :) |
| 12:11:50 | fontenot | MicroChip32: exactly |
| 12:11:56 | Suran | lol |
| 12:12:11 | fontenot | it will use 137GB of the 160 (only supports ATA33) |
| 12:12:36 | mallum | I have telewest cable tv. Id like to get some software to descramble the signal and feed it intoa computer building my own tivo. But I think thats probably illegal :( |
| 12:12:37 | Suran | what does ATA33 have to do with size??? |
| 12:13:01 | fontenot | the new ones are cooler - 128MB RAM and faster procs (different arch too - no byteswapping on filesystems anymore) |
| 12:13:18 | file | still QNX? |
| 12:13:36 | fontenot | Suran: well ATA133 is the only thing that supports > 137GB |
| 12:13:51 | Suran | fontenot: good to know that. |
| 12:14:24 | fontenot | i always forget if that's GB or GiB |
| 12:14:27 | file | nudges EBay |
| 12:14:29 | fontenot | oh well |
| 12:14:41 | fontenot | file: tivo's are linux |
| 12:14:47 | fontenot | always have been |
| 12:15:30 | file | didn't they use QNX though? I thought so... |
| 12:15:42 | file | oh well |
| 12:15:45 | file | whatever |
| 12:15:46 | fontenot | but I think I know what you;re thinking of, just cant remember the name - that appliance that was hacked and the co went out of business |
| 12:15:49 | Suran | I thought they were made by MS, how could they run Linux then? ;) |
| 12:15:58 | fontenot | Suran: that's ultimate TV |
| 12:16:03 | file | Suran: they run Linux or QNX... one of them |
| 12:16:14 | fontenot | trust me it's linux in the tivo :-) |
| 12:16:15 | Suran | fontenot: Premiere World? |
| 12:16:23 | file | DANG IT EBAY! LOAD THE PAGE! |
| 12:16:37 | file | I WANT A TIVO! |
| 12:16:55 | Suran | fontenot: The owner was Leo Kirch and he went bankrupt. |
| 12:17:01 | fontenot | damn what was that company - they were selling those machines at a loss thinking they would make it up on service, and then they were hacked |
| 12:17:11 | fontenot | and ppl started buying them without the service |
| 12:17:29 | file | I-Opener? |
| 12:17:34 | fontenot | file: yes!! |
| 12:17:40 | fontenot | thanks - that ran QNX |
| 12:17:47 | file | then they made desperate attempts to keep the hacking away |
| 12:17:58 | fontenot | yep, but the damage was done |
| 12:18:02 | file | like clipping IDE pins... |
| 12:18:02 | fontenot | damn hackers :-D |
| 12:18:10 | fontenot | and epoxy |
| 12:18:11 | file | I think EBay isn't working... |
| 12:18:18 | file | yes, epoxy on the BIOS chip |
| 12:18:24 | file | or something like that |
| 12:18:25 | file | I forget |
| 12:19:14 | fontenot | file: what's ebay doing for you? |
| 12:19:35 | file | just hanging there |
| 12:19:51 | file | oh well |
| 12:19:53 | file | I give up for now |
| 12:21:13 | fontenot | file: hmm it just worked for me - I searched on tivo |
| 12:21:21 | fontenot | and god a bunch of hits |
| 12:21:28 | file | what's the cheapest price it can go I wonder |
| 12:21:33 | fontenot | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&ebaytag1code=0&query=tivo |
| 12:22:29 | fontenot | file: well so far I am seeing $150 range, but remember there is a monthly (or lifetime) service charge for the guide data (unless you get a directivo) |
| 12:22:39 | file | aye |
| 12:22:52 | fontenot | you dont *have* to have the guide data - they dont force you |
| 12:22:54 | file | I'm getting timeouts after 152.63.52.101 |
| 12:22:58 | file | ran a tracert |
| 12:23:19 | file | what's some other cheap devices... |
| 12:24:14 | fontenot | i need a new remote |
| 12:24:37 | file | fontenot : suggestions? you seem to be a technological person |
| 12:24:39 | fontenot | i have dropped mine too many times by throwing it in the air |
| 12:24:52 | fontenot | file: hmm suggestions for ? |
| 12:24:59 | file | a new device |
| 12:25:07 | file | that I should try to get |
| 12:25:10 | file | well, an old device really |
| 12:25:17 | file | such as an I-Opener, Tivo, Audrey |
| 12:27:07 | fontenot | file: hmm I havent heard of any lately, but I was always late to know - I usually found out as the supplies were dwindling |
| 12:27:17 | file | bah |
| 12:27:18 | fontenot | file: did you get any audreys? |
| 12:27:26 | file | no |
| 12:28:03 | fontenot | looks like some ppl spend all their time upgrading tivos and selling them on ebay |
| 12:28:11 | file | haha |
| 12:28:22 | fontenot | to poor unsuslpecting souls who dont know how trivial it is now |
| 12:28:41 | file | like me? |
| 12:30:20 | fontenot | i didnt mean you |
| 12:30:44 | fontenot | it really is incredibly easy these days - I remember when they were first hacking it all out |
| 12:30:47 | file | I know... |
| 12:31:00 | file | I'm just not feeling good and spitting out whatever comes to mind |
| 12:31:53 | fontenot | sorry |
| 12:32:13 | file | I left my window open lastnight... and the fan going |
| 12:32:15 | file | it wasn't good |
| 12:36:17 | fontenot | too cold? |
| 12:37:26 | file | yes |
| 12:37:30 | fontenot | hmmm ebay is acting strange for me now too |
| 12:38:10 | file | aha! I was right! |
| 12:46:06 | fontenot | hmm should I go to bed or dismantle one of my tuxes to measure for a custom enclosure? |
| 12:46:46 | Suran | What kind of enclosure? |
| 12:47:06 | Suran | I have mine in a vest with the pcmcia-slots accessible as a pocket. |
| 12:47:22 | file | O.o |
| 12:48:33 | fontenot | I want to mount one or more of my tuxes in my jeep |
| 12:48:51 | file | uh oh |
| 12:48:51 | Suran | It relly worked out until first the screen and now everything broke down. I think the later just because the last thing I did was going back to the older bootloader and sth. must have gone wrong. |
| 12:48:55 | file | the power truck is outside... |
| 12:49:05 | fontenot | power truck? |
| 12:49:27 | file | yes |
| 12:49:32 | file | erm... better descrption |
| 12:49:40 | file | people who do work on the power lines |
| 12:49:45 | fontenot | ah |
| 12:49:48 | fontenot | that cant be good |
| 12:49:52 | file | aye |
| 12:50:00 | file | plus the cable people were out here yesterday |
| 12:50:07 | Suran | fontenot: any idea how to design your power-supply in the jeep? The 12V are very noisy. |
| 12:50:20 | Suran | file: your under survivelance. |
| 12:50:26 | Suran | *g* |
| 12:50:30 | file | twitches |
| 12:50:34 | file | must... escape... |
| 12:51:03 | MicroChip32 | dcc's file an emergency escape route |
| 12:51:04 | fontenot | Suran: which 12V are noisy? |
| 12:51:14 | file | bah, the DCC didn't connect! |
| 12:51:18 | Suran | Of the car-battery. |
| 12:51:20 | MicroChip32 | fontenot what ya trying to mount it in the vehic for ? |
| 12:51:23 | fontenot | Suran: I was thinking of using an inverter |
| 12:51:38 | fontenot | MicroChip32: well for mobile digital radio modes for one |
| 12:51:53 | file | ok they left |
| 12:51:56 | MicroChip32 | fontenot amateur ? |
| 12:52:13 | fontenot | MicroChip32: yep - I think we discussed this before - ah maybe you dont know I am jacques |
| 12:52:21 | file | cartier? |
| 12:52:28 | MicroChip32 | fontenot: yep and yep, just refreshing my ram :) |
| 12:52:36 | fontenot | this is my "home screenname" |
| 12:52:46 | file | being home is good |
| 12:53:18 | fontenot | now I am thinking 12V->inverter->tuxscreen brick->tuxscreen |
| 12:53:37 | fontenot | hell I could run a PC P/S off the inverter |
| 12:53:43 | MicroChip32 | fontenot i wondered because someone "back then" was working on a mapping prog for their tux to use in their vehic |
| 12:53:55 | Suran | Of cause you need a proper regulator behind the 12V-inverter... |
| 12:54:01 | MicroChip32 | will brb |
| 12:54:17 | fontenot | Suran: what do you mean? I am new at this |
| 12:54:48 | fontenot | why cant I just hook up the inverter to the jeep's 12V supply? |
| 12:55:04 | fontenot | i thought the inverter would clean things up |
| 12:55:14 | Suran | A (switching) voltage-regulator converts e.g. 6-24V to 5.0V or 3.3V or both ... |
| 12:55:28 | Suran | They come in very different efficiencies. |
| 12:55:51 | Suran | The Pt6302A are supposed to be very good, we use them on wearbles a lot. |
| 12:56:39 | Suran | DON't use a linear regulator (it burns the exess and thus wastes power and gets _real_ hot). The are detectable by having 3 pins. |
| 12:56:52 | Suran | enough? |
| 12:58:04 | fontenot | Suran: have you seen the commonly available automotive power inverters? |
| 12:58:25 | fontenot | they advertise as being able to just hook up a computer or whatever to them - they outpur 110V AC |
| 12:59:11 | Suran | if your computer uses 11V that's fine ;) But do you want 12VDC->11VAC->3.3+5.0VDC? |
| 12:59:17 | Suran | sorry, 110V |
| 13:00:16 | Suran | Anyway, a laptop should come with a cigarette-lighter-adapter. |
| 13:00:52 | fontenot | Suran: why not? it's not exactly efficient, but it's easy |
| 13:01:20 | fontenot | some 300 watt models are < $30 |
| 13:01:46 | Suran | Go ahead. I'M kind of a perfectionalist, do it the right way or not at all. You would need no more then 10W. |
| 13:01:47 | fontenot | they handle between 10V and 15V input |
| 13:02:08 | fontenot | have alarms and auto-shutdowns for over and undervoltage etc |
| 13:02:37 | Suran | Sounds nice, how bulky are the and what does such a thing cost aproximately? |
| 13:02:41 | fontenot | I am trying to avoid having to build a custom voltage converter |
| 13:02:57 | fontenot | Suran: they are definitely too bulky for wearable use :-) |
| 13:03:10 | Suran | *g* |
| 13:03:44 | fontenot | Suran: look at this page: http://www.dcacpowerinverters.com/power_inverters.html |
| 13:03:52 | Suran | Would it be easy to build your own comm-board for a tux? I'm thinking of sth. in a different form-factor that still has the lcd. |
| 13:04:36 | fontenot | Suran: what do you mean by comm-board? |
| 13:04:52 | Suran | In the tux you have the 2 boards, comm-board and cpu-board. |
| 13:05:30 | Suran | s:cpu-board:main-board: |
| 13:05:38 | fontenot | oh right - the dsp board |
| 13:06:04 | fontenot | i wonder if I need that for my intended use... |
| 13:06:08 | Suran | It does not seem to contain much and a american-style phone is of no use here in Germamy anyway... |
| 13:06:23 | Suran | You need it to supply power. ;) |
| 13:06:28 | Suran | And serial. |
| 13:06:32 | fontenot | Suran: aaah I did not know that :-\ |
| 13:06:37 | fontenot | arg |
| 13:06:57 | fontenot | so a smaller custom board that supplied serial (preferrably 2) and power |
| 13:07:01 | fontenot | would seem to be ideal |
| 13:07:16 | Suran | Or get the pinout of the connectors 601 and 600 and supply 3.3V, GND, serial and 5V to the proper pins. It's trivial- |
| 13:08:03 | Suran | never etched a board before but is willing to try. Maybe even add a DC-regulator for battery-operation to it and have all 3 serial-ports connected. |
| 13:08:32 | MicroChip32 | im back. and 12v => 110 inverter => wall wart => tux should be no problem at all. any decent inverter will clean up normal auto spikes nicely |
| 13:09:24 | fontenot | MicroChip32: cool. that's what I hoped |
| 13:09:48 | Suran | BTW, I have a picture of me wearing the shannon at http://wearforge.perilith.com/bin/view/Main/WOC2 . |
| 13:09:49 | MicroChip32 | fontenot: one note, youre cheap inverters are just that ... cheap, and may not do alot of filtering |
| 13:09:49 | fontenot | Suran: yeah I wish I had the skills to design a board like that |
| 13:10:18 | fontenot | MicroChip32: well I wasnt going to buy the cheapest one I could find, but I get your point |
| 13:10:44 | MicroChip32 | fontenot i have a halfway decent 500w one i got for ~$90 |
| 13:10:55 | Suran | For serial it's just connecting pins to MAX232s, for power you have the examples in the data-sheets of the regulators and for display I'm not shure but have a working board to look at. |
| 13:11:01 | MicroChip32 | but that was on serious sale :) |
| 13:11:09 | fontenot | they are like UPS - all but the most expensive only put out "modified (approximated) sine" |
| 13:11:26 | Suran | aproximate like saw-toth? |
| 13:11:29 | MicroChip32 | fontenot yep |
| 13:11:47 | MicroChip32 | Suran some of em but those would be the real cheapies |
| 13:11:48 | fontenot | or square, not sure |
| 13:12:04 | MicroChip32 | more like a squarish sine |
| 13:12:19 | fontenot | but switching power supplies dont seem to mind the appriximation |
| 13:12:24 | MicroChip32 | or a sine with light noise |
| 13:12:35 | fontenot | only thinkg like electric motors see the difference |
| 13:16:59 | Suran | Would JTAG-flashing a tuxscreen be a good test to see if it still works at all? |
| 13:17:10 | fontenot | probably |
| 13:19:19 | Suran | where does everyone here come from? I looked at the channel last night and it was getting un-dead when I could no longer stay awake. (now 15:00 over here). |
| 13:19:26 | mallum | anyione see this -> http://www.theinquirer.net/29050203.htm ? |
| 13:19:40 | fontenot | Suran: I am on the west coast of the US |
| 13:20:04 | MicroChip32 | is surrounded by *ahem* great lakes |
| 13:20:12 | fontenot | mallum: if that's true it's really funny |
| 13:21:29 | fontenot | mallum: oops I hadnt gottem to the GPL violations yet when I said "funny" |
| 13:22:13 | Suran | ? |
| 13:23:25 | mallum | my irc connections wierd, I keep getting a load of info at once, then nothing for a while :( |
| 13:23:38 | fontenot | at this time of day, the cops always get really quiet |
| 13:23:47 | fontenot | on my scanner |
| 13:24:26 | mallum | you listen to the cops on a scanner ? |
| 13:24:31 | Suran | Any idea what I'd need to read the flash of another device (SH4-based Xybernaut POMA/Hitache WIA) via JTAG? |
| 13:24:37 | fontenot | mallum: yep |
| 13:24:52 | mallum | didn't yeah used to be a web site that broadcast police tranmissions from various US cities in real audio ? |
| 13:25:13 | fontenot | mallum: there are several sites that stream scanner audio now |
| 13:25:35 | fontenot | but i prefer to just listen to my own scanner |
| 13:25:38 | fontenot | s |
| 13:25:52 | Suran | Makes you wonder why they don't switch to tetra. Perhaps because it's not an american system. ;) |
| 13:26:12 | MicroChip32 | anyone know where the page is/was that told how to make a jtag outa a 7454 chip and i think a few resistors and/or diodes ? |
| 13:26:41 | Suran | Look ate the lart site. |
| 13:26:49 | MicroChip32 | url ? |
| 13:26:57 | andersen | Look must have been hungry... |
| 13:26:59 | Suran | www.google.de |
| 13:27:06 | mallum | fontenot: are you a bank robber ? |
| 13:28:04 | Suran | What for? Advokates make more money with less work. ;) |
| 13:29:09 | Suran | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ |
| 13:30:40 | fontenot | mallum: how did you guess? |
| 13:32:52 | MicroChip32 | Suran yep thats the design i was thinking of. how crit are those ground caps ? |
| 13:33:37 | Suran | don't know, I bought my jtag-board with the shannon. I thought it would become handy... ;9 |
| 13:35:44 | MicroChip32 | heheheh that schematic on that page suran has a bug <G> |
| 13:36:45 | Suran | tell me. |
| 13:37:47 | MicroChip32 | if youre looking at it, the 3rd cap from the left goes to the wrong line, there's two caps to one line and no caps to another line |
| 13:38:07 | MicroChip32 | either c3 or c4 is wrong |
| 13:39:06 | Suran | true. I think every line shall have a cap to gnd against some kind of unclean signals. |
| 13:39:34 | MicroChip32 | Suran yes thats probably the reason, and probably not ~critical~ but a good idea |
| 13:39:36 | Suran | 3.3pF are fairly little so as not to disort the signals. |
| 13:40:07 | MicroChip32 | the .1uf on the power tho could be critical |
| 13:41:01 | Suran | yes, the power from the port would not be guaranteed to be stable and we are powering an StrongARM from it. |
| 13:41:17 | Suran | Or parts of it and the flash. |
| 13:43:19 | file | hi all |
| 13:43:57 | Suran | shalom. |
| 13:44:49 | file | a coding I shall go, a coding I shall go |
| 13:46:26 | MicroChip32 | considers burning some fingers buliding a jtag in hopes it works better than serial flashing *mutter* |
| 13:46:38 | file | prays for MicroChip32 |
| 13:46:55 | MicroChip32 | considers if thats anything like serial killing <G> |
| 13:47:27 | Suran | 630bps will never work better then 115kbps x-modem. |
| 13:48:00 | MicroChip32 | Suran: when the serial flashing process refuses to work, both with windows and linux inferno emus ... its time to try something else |
| 13:49:47 | Suran | You did unlock the flash first did you? |
| 13:50:25 | MicroChip32 | yes, all unlocked and verifyied |
| 13:50:41 | Suran | Tries another host-computer? You need to load a bootload only once. |
| 13:51:06 | MicroChip32 | Suran yes i know, hang on a min, gotta put out a cyber-fire *mutter* |
| 13:51:42 | Suran | Well, then go ahead. Tell me how it goes. Suran@gmx.net |
| 14:02:28 | Suran | hello? |
| 14:03:02 | Suran | ping! |
| 14:08:25 | MicroChip32 | nobody home :) |
| 14:22:29 | Suran | anyone out there? |
| 14:23:13 | dc | hears a faint echo |
| 14:23:16 | prpplague | Suran: no |
| 14:23:44 | prpplague | Suran: looking for info or something? |
| 14:23:44 | MicroChip32 | Suran: heads up for email |
| 14:25:08 | Suran | Info on how to find out why my tux does not say a thing would be nice. Anyone with a cryptal ball out there? *g* |
| 14:25:47 | MicroChip32 | Suran try bribing it with some c4 |
| 14:26:43 | Suran | It seems to be trained not to say anything but it's serial number. |
| 14:27:00 | Suran | I could go for elektrosocks... |
| 14:27:30 | Suran | No, 3.3V and 5V but does not say anything. |
| 14:28:21 | MicroChip32 | perhaps the speech board is busted *ducks* |
| 14:29:13 | Suran | I checked that power goes through and that the max202 and the philips-chip next to it do it's job for the serial. |
| 14:29:26 | Suran | Lecture is over, gotta go.... |
| 14:36:01 | MicroChip | friggin winblows |
| 14:46:32 | file | prpplague : guess what |
| 14:46:42 | prpplague | file: your pregnant? |
| 14:46:46 | file | uh no |
| 14:47:13 | file | me, Cybiko, web browser, company, money |
| 14:47:16 | file | piece it together |
| 14:47:48 | prpplague | file: cool |
| 14:48:05 | prpplague | file: i didn't see linux in that list |
| 14:48:17 | file | unfortunately Linux is not involved |
| 14:48:47 | file | bbl |
| 16:38:25 | MicroChip32 | yoho BZFlag you got a few minutes ? |
| 16:48:04 | BZFlag | hit me |
| 16:48:24 | MicroChip32 | naaa i wouldnt wanna hurt ya *LOL*, can i msg you ? |
| 16:49:16 | BZFlag | sure |
| 18:14:31 | Suran | I just got my JTag-cable done. What am I supposed to do now? |
| 18:20:30 | Russ|werk | get jflash off the tuxscreen site |
| 18:20:40 | Russ|werk | (as well as blob) |
| 18:20:44 | Russ|werk | compile jflash |
| 18:20:52 | Russ|werk | ./flash < <blob binary> |
| 18:21:26 | Russ|werk | it should then list incrementing hex numbers |
| 18:21:26 | Russ|werk | (the tuxscreen should be on for this and you should be root) |
| 18:21:31 | Suran | power on the device first? |
| 18:21:44 | Russ|werk | right, it needs to be on |
| 18:22:14 | Suran | failed to read device ID for the SA-1100 check to make sure the cable is connected properly and that your Phillips IS2630 is powered on. :( |
| 18:22:29 | Suran | cable is tripple-checked. |
| 18:22:58 | Russ|werk | did you get all 1's? |
| 18:23:11 | Suran | Any point on the main-board where I could check if it's alive? |
| 18:23:20 | Suran | I did get ACT: 1111 1111111111111111 11111111111 1 |
| 18:23:23 | Suran | EXP: X001 0001000010000100 00000110101 1 |
| 18:23:40 | Russ|werk | what mode is your parallel port set to? |
| 18:23:44 | Russ|werk | ECC? EPP? SPP? |
| 18:23:49 | Suran | don't know. |
| 18:24:16 | Suran | Would need to reboot to find out. |
| 18:24:25 | Russ|werk | go into bios and set it to SPP, its the safest mode for JTAG |
| 18:25:17 | Suran | I'll try.... |
| 18:28:31 | Suran | it was in ECP now it's "normal". I also have "bi-directional" as a choice |
| 18:28:56 | Suran | same result |
| 18:29:06 | Suran | should I try "bi-directional"? |
| 18:29:23 | Russ|werk | ya, I think bi-directional means ssp |
| 18:29:34 | Russ|werk | you also want to make sure you are getting 3.3V across the chip on the jtag board |
| 18:31:54 | Suran | same result. |
| 18:32:21 | Suran | :( |
| 18:33:43 | Russ|werk | are you getting 3.3V across your buffer (the chip on the jtag board) |
| 18:34:04 | Suran | what pins to check? |
| 18:34:29 | Suran | they are tiny, I don't want to short sth. |
| 18:35:32 | Suran | On the tux-side there is a -1.6V between pin1 (GND) and pin 1, nothing else. |
| 18:36:30 | Suran | sorry, pin1 and pin2. |
| 18:37:14 | Suran | 3.3V between the 2 pins on the buffer-chip that are away from the computer. |
| 18:38:37 | Suran | anyone who can help me? |
| 18:41:24 | Suran | I just found out parport and parport_pc were not auto-loaded. But modprobing them first did not help. |
| 18:45:12 | Suran | I'm at a loss here... :((( |
| 20:17:30 | | I haven't seen 'CosmicPengiun', prpplague |
| 20:17:30 | prpplague | ibot: seen CosmicPengiun |
| 20:17:39 | | CosmicPenguin was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: see you all in a week and half [Tue May 21 23:55:14 2002] |
| 20:17:39 | prpplague | ibot: seen CosmicPenguin |
| 21:23:08 | lyakh | q |
| 22:34:30 | prpplague | andersee: THE codepoet has arrived, lol |
| 23:07:19 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 23:13:39 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 23:14:15 | Russ|werk | I told ie6 not to cache stuff from my arm system (server never responds with 304, expires date set to epoch) |
| 23:14:34 | Russ|werk | ie6 is now loading the background tile once for each time it draws it |