| 01:09:14 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 01:17:15 | as_ | Hiya prp, how goes? |
| 01:37:11 | prpplague | as_: going well |
| 01:37:32 | prpplague | as_: was it you that said you had a fpga development board? |
| 01:41:22 | as_ | I do yes. |
| 01:41:54 | as_ | Xilinx 4000 series chip based. |
| 01:42:21 | prpplague | as_: got a url? |
| 01:42:27 | prpplague | as_: i'd like to order one |
| 01:42:55 | prpplague | as_: money is good right now, so i figured i get some education |
| 01:44:20 | as_ | www.xess.com |
| 01:44:53 | as_ | Gets you a 20k gate equivalent for around $200 (board+chip). |
| 01:45:12 | prpplague | as_: nice board for an fpga beginner? |
| 01:45:26 | as_ | You also need the software, which is part of a book package, or you could get a copy of me. |
| 01:45:31 | as_ | Id say so yes. |
| 01:45:49 | as_ | Good points and bad points about the FPGA they use. |
| 01:47:02 | as3 | Re. |
| 01:47:06 | as3 | Firstly its SRAM baseed FPGA. |
| 01:47:32 | as3 | So you can impliment ROM/RAM blocks much better than most, downside is it needs programming on every power up. |
| 01:49:07 | prpplague | as3: ok, i'll have a look at it |
| 01:49:49 | as3 | Good one for learning though. |
| 01:49:53 | prpplague | as3: i was looking at the guts of a yopy, seems they used a custom fpga to control the lcd/ts as well as several other function |
| 01:50:02 | as3 | The learning curve for FPGAs is, well, steep. |
| 01:50:10 | prpplague | as3: thats what i gathered |
| 01:50:51 | prpplague | as3: man i wish linux ran on a z80 |
| 01:51:29 | prpplague | as3: i'm mainly on the software side of things, and i'm dying to learn more about hardware design |
| 01:51:32 | as3 | Haha. |
| 01:58:51 | as3 | If you get that board I'll give you a few pointers. I hit my head against a lot of walls the first month or so. |
| 01:59:09 | prpplague | as3: cool, probably order next week |
| 01:59:40 | prpplague | as3: i was going to order a couple of trizeps, but i think i might just buy some more tuxscreens instead |
| 01:59:44 | as3 | The virtex boards they have are horribly overpriced, so stick with a 4000 series. |
| 01:59:53 | as3 | trizeps? |
| 02:00:17 | prpplague | as3: ok cool |
| 02:00:28 | prpplague | as3: they are a sa-1110 core module |
| 02:00:39 | as3 | Ahh. |
| 02:01:00 | as3 | 4000's are old technology btw. But then so are the virtex. |
| 02:01:18 | as3 | Xilinx are now selling Virtex 2's up to 10M gate equivalent. |
| 02:01:37 | as3 | 800k gates will impliment a pentium 2 CPU. |
| 02:02:45 | as3 | 20k gates are in the 4010's, 9k gates in the 4005's but good to learn on and cheap. |
| 02:03:49 | prpplague | as3: http://www.keith-koep.com/trizeps_en.html |
| 02:05:39 | as3 | What do they cost approx? |
| 02:07:09 | prpplague | as3: a 16/32 board is around $275 USD |
| 02:07:44 | prpplague | as3: you done much 803x programming? |
| 02:09:49 | as3 | Hmm, no. |
| 02:10:11 | as3 | There is an 805x on the FPGA board, not touched it. |
| 02:10:24 | prpplague | as3: ahhh |
| 02:10:46 | prpplague | as3: so i don't need to work with the 805x to learn the FPGA? |
| 02:12:25 | prpplague | as3: have you used this - http://freshmeat.net/projects/hdlmaker/?topic_id=246 |
| 02:12:50 | prpplague | as3: btw, if i'm taking up too much of your time, let me know |
| 02:13:25 | as3 | You dont need to do anything with the 805x, you wire one pin high or low, and you can forget it exists. |
| 02:13:36 | prpplague | as3: cool |
| 02:13:36 | as3 | I'm a bit busy, but thats not a problem. |
| 02:13:52 | as3 | Just means some answers are delayed. |
| 02:14:10 | as3 | I dont do any HDL/VHDL/Verilog at all. |
| 02:14:43 | as3 | I use schematic capture, which is easier for me. |
| 02:15:00 | prpplague | as3: that run under linux? |
| 02:15:06 | as3 | I will move on to VHDL when I get some spare time. |
| 02:15:15 | as3 | Hmm. |
| 02:15:17 | file | well that was a nice trip |
| 02:15:23 | as3 | The main toolset is Win9x. |
| 02:15:49 | as3 | There are linux versions of some of the tools, but the main translation engine is Win9x only. |
| 02:16:12 | as3 | The software that creates the FPGA binaries is massivly complex. |
| 02:17:37 | file | prpplague? |
| 02:20:14 | prpplague | file: yes? |
| 02:20:26 | file | I'm back from Quebec |
| 02:20:30 | prpplague | as3:bummer, that means i'll have have a winblows box |
| 02:20:41 | file | any news on the CYbikos? highly unlikely but hey, this will make a conversation |
| 02:20:46 | prpplague | has been winblows free for almost 4 years |
| 02:20:57 | prpplague | file: nothing till october |
| 02:21:11 | file | aye |
| 02:21:13 | as3 | Oh that reminds me. prp, if in the slightest doubt about your lpt port, buy a lpt card. |
| 02:21:39 | as3 | I cannot tell you how much grief the lpt port on this athlon motherboard gave me. |
| 02:21:55 | file | my onboard serial port is junk... |
| 02:22:11 | file | I have to use my com port card... |
| 02:22:17 | prpplague | as3: ahhh, been there on eprom programmers |
| 02:25:09 | as3 | Works fine with printers, zip drives etc. |
| 02:26:16 | as3 | Bit its glitchy, and the very slightest glitch over the say 10 secs it takes to program and the device wont work. |
| 02:56:34 | prpplague | as_: hmm you seem to be replicating |
| 02:58:49 | as_ | Ghosts not clones ;] |
| 02:59:05 | as_ | I have a 2hour ISP reset. |
| 03:00:53 | prpplague | doh |
| 03:02:11 | prpplague | as_: i've got to figure out a way to do easy hardware development for sa-11xx stuff |
| 03:04:22 | as_ | An FPGA could fufill that. |
| 03:04:46 | as_ | Ive made a board with a 4005 in it and programed sucessfully. |
| 03:05:05 | as_ | The dev tools "Foundation" are very good. |
| 03:05:26 | prpplague | as_: ya thats what i'm thinking |
| 03:05:49 | as_ | Theres a student version of it, not too expensive its what I use. |
| 03:06:12 | as_ | Has simulation tools, and also debug tools which needs a funny cable. |
| 03:07:23 | as_ | If you want to use schematic capture, I can give you a copy, but if you need VHDL it needs registering. |
| 03:07:53 | prpplague | as_: thanks i'll keep that in mind |
| 03:07:55 | as_ | Its tied to the serial number of the hard disk which is plain nasty. |
| 03:08:13 | as_ | I havnt had the time to try cracking it. |
| 03:08:27 | as_ | ITs FlexLM based. |
| 03:10:26 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: remember assembling PC back in 1986, and pusing a DRAM into his thumb instead of the MB a few times [Sat May 25 22:06:24 2002] |
| 03:10:26 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 03:12:45 | andersee | fontenot: I'm here |
| 03:12:49 | andersee | fontenot: sortof |
| 03:15:50 | fontenot | hi andersee, so am I the only onw having the spi_cleanup() problem when building the latest buildroot kernel? |
| 03:30:21 | andersee | fontenot: Here is a patch I just put together -- http://codepoet.org/linux-spi_fix.patch |
| 03:30:29 | fontenot | mmmmm, coolness |
| 03:30:56 | andersee | With that I am able to build the whole buildroot using my uClibc native gcc-3.1 compiler |
| 03:31:07 | andersee | I'll be checking things in shortly... :) |
| 03:31:15 | fontenot | :-) |
| 03:31:16 | fontenot | cool |
| 03:31:23 | fontenot | I'm building toolchains on home machine now |
| 03:35:49 | as_ | Nite all. |
| 03:36:06 | andersee | I'm about to checkin make/uclibc_toolchain.mk |
| 03:36:22 | fontenot | cool |
| 03:36:42 | fontenot | so buildroot will build a toolchain with which to build itself? |
| 03:36:48 | fontenot | this is a 3.1 toolchain? |
| 03:37:13 | fontenot | has anyone actually tested a 3.1-built kernel on tux yet? how much bigger is it than 2.95-built? |
| 03:40:47 | andersee | I just built it, but I also just wiped it out to test something. rebuilding the whole thing now... |
| 03:43:28 | fontenot | should not take long on your machine |
| 04:08:23 | andersee | found a couple of bugs... rebuilding again... |
| 04:13:43 | fontenot | andersee: why is this happening: |
| 04:13:54 | fontenot | make[3]: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found |
| 04:14:02 | fontenot | when trying to build buildroot |
| 04:15:16 | andersee | dunno. Perhaps it can't find arm-linux-gcc in your PATH. Isn't happening for me. |
| 04:16:06 | fontenot | andersee: I dont have arm-linux-gcc - all your toolchains build arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 04:16:27 | fontenot | and I have this in the Makefile: CROSS:=$(ARCH)-uclibc- |
| 04:19:31 | fontenot | i cant get buildroot to build because of that error |
| 04:31:53 | andersee | fontenot: just hang on a sec and I'll get my updates into CVS... |
| 04:32:04 | andersee | fontenot: then it will all work properly.. |
| 04:48:11 | fontenot | cool |
| 05:11:54 | andersee | fontenot: committed to CVS... |
| 05:18:15 | fontenot | andersee: thanks, I'll try now |
| 05:47:57 | fontenot | building.... |
| 05:50:27 | MicroChip32 | where's the website for getting the inferno emu ?? |
| 05:54:30 | MicroChip32 | n/m, found it |
| 06:00:19 | fontenot | building kernel... |
| 06:02:57 | fontenot | andersee: error error |
| 06:03:02 | fontenot | andersee: /bin/sh: /home/packages/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/build/busybox-0.60.3/scripts/depmod.pl: No such file or directory |
| 06:03:41 | fontenot | :-( |
| 10:18:27 | andersee | fontenot: I just checked in some little bits that should fix that problem |
| 10:18:48 | andersee | fontenot: Try again? |
| 10:18:52 | andersee | heads to bed |
| 10:48:49 | andersee | isn't asleep yet... |
| 10:49:40 | andersee | fontenot: BTW, the tuxscreen kernel built with gcc 2.95 is 553k. With gcc 3.1 it is 572k. So 19k bigger... |
| 10:50:56 | fontenot | andersee: ok I will try again |
| 10:51:41 | andersee | is flashing his phone now |
| 10:51:44 | andersee | hope it works |
| 10:52:10 | fontenot | :-) |
| 10:52:12 | fontenot | me too |
| 10:52:30 | andersee | I did a 'rm -rf build' and rebuild everything with exactly what is now in CVS... |
| 10:52:52 | andersee | s/rebuild/rebuilt/ |
| 10:53:03 | MicroChip32 | kicks fontenot and screams in frustration <G> |
| 10:54:10 | fontenot | ? |
| 10:55:05 | MicroChip32 | fontenot: hehehe *whines* wanna flash ~my~ tux *pouts* <G> |
| 10:55:37 | fontenot | :-( I wish I could |
| 10:56:51 | MicroChip32 | fontenot im trying something new now, reinstalling the windows version with totally fresh files, both the latest inferno.tgz and the windows section. already tried it with linux, didnt help |
| 11:03:18 | MicroChip32 | umm one of the wiki pages, which i cant find now, said something about an emu update that should be downloaded ?? |
| 11:10:05 | andersee | Doh! forgot one little tiny step -- installing the libraries to /lib |
| 11:14:40 | andersee | fixed now in CVS... |
| 11:14:45 | andersee | reflashing |
| 11:17:02 | MicroChip32 | now if only we could get the women to flash ... <G> |
| 11:22:29 | fontenot | 12333 fontenot 18 0 1052M 926M 420 R 58.7 92.0 0:25 cc1plus |
| 11:22:32 | fontenot | WTF????? |
| 11:22:55 | MicroChip32 | wholy cheezeburgers |
| 11:23:10 | fontenot | ?????????????? |
| 11:23:13 | fontenot | this is getting worse |
| 11:25:40 | fontenot | im starting to think I dont have the resources for buildroot anymore |
| 11:26:02 | fontenot | i used to think my 1GB RAM 900MHz Athlon was enough... |
| 11:26:35 | MicroChip32 | lol fontenot, well you'd think it would be unless yer working with winblows |
| 11:26:51 | fontenot | yeah |
| 11:26:53 | MicroChip32 | but i assume youre compiling stuff for the tux right |
| 11:27:19 | MicroChip32 | and that youre running linux on that athlon ? |
| 11:27:21 | fontenot | why did g++ go nuts while buildroot said "searching for ncurses" ??? |
| 11:27:23 | andersee | Hmm. Built ok on my atlon with just 256 MB ram |
| 11:27:45 | fontenot | i had to kill the cc1plus process |
| 11:27:52 | MicroChip32 | eww |
| 11:27:53 | fontenot | before it took the whole machine down |
| 11:28:15 | MicroChip32 | hehe maybe ya forgot to feed it breakfast ? <G> |
| 11:30:34 | fontenot | starting over |
| 11:31:51 | andersee | fontenot: wanna wait a few seconds? |
| 11:32:18 | andersee | rebooting to test something |
| 11:33:00 | andersee | k. |
| 11:33:33 | andersee | Well, my phone boots and works with the latest and greatest. modprobe still causes an oops. I suspect the kernel... |
| 11:34:39 | andersee | night all. I'm off to bed. For real this time. |
| 11:36:49 | MicroChip32 | hey fontenot, whats this 'linuxemu.gz' file from tim for, am i supposed to replace the 'emu' file with it ? |
| 11:42:16 | fontenot | only on linux and only if you are running a 2.4 kernel |
| 11:42:22 | fontenot | AFAIK |
| 11:42:44 | MicroChip32 | ah ok |
| 11:43:02 | MicroChip32 | well, just tried all new files on both linux and winblows, no change |
| 11:43:39 | MicroChip32 | windows binds and rdp's ok, but on windows the c D!blob.img F!all just gives the one line as before, and on linux the bind fails .. as before |
| 11:54:20 | fontenot | you are having worse problems than me even |
| 11:55:29 | MicroChip32 | blah |
| 11:55:48 | MicroChip32 | i swear inferno just doesnt like me :( |
| 11:58:39 | fontenot | im getting really sleepy |
| 11:58:57 | MicroChip32 | i wonderd what you was doin up so early/late for :) |
| 11:59:10 | fontenot | i should not be up |
| 12:00:14 | fontenot | i wanna see if the ncurses g++ problem is repeatable |
| 12:00:28 | fontenot | and it is FUCK |
| 12:00:35 | MicroChip32 | ahhhh, cant bear to let a bug go unchallenged :) |
| 12:00:55 | fontenot | going to bec |
| 12:00:57 | fontenot | bed |
| 12:01:02 | MicroChip32 | l8r |
| 12:01:04 | fontenot | later |
| 17:02:27 | souslik | Hi all. |
| 17:03:27 | souslik | I just got my Tuxscreen. I played with standard inferno. But I had the (bad?) idea to press the reset button. Now My phone stay waiting for downloading software! Is it normal? |
| 17:03:53 | prpplague | there are some instructions on the wiki for solving that issue |
| 17:03:58 | prpplague | i had the same problem |
| 17:04:33 | prpplague | it requires you press some keys on the keyboard so make sure you have fresh battaries in the keyboard |
| 17:04:53 | souslik | The wiki begins to bog very big. Do you have a link or a starting point? |
| 17:05:03 | prpplague | souslik: let me see |
| 17:06:35 | prpplague | souslik: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/InstallingLinux |
| 17:06:55 | prpplague | souslik: the entry begins with "theKernel" about the 3rd or fourth paragraph |
| 17:08:51 | souslik | ok. it works perfectly. thanks for your help. I pressed the reset button to have the opportunity to recalibrate the touchscreen but I couldn't do that! |
| 17:09:22 | prpplague | souslik: np, glad i could help |
| 17:09:50 | souslik | What's the correct way to recalibrate the touchscreen? |
| 17:10:16 | prpplague | using inferno? have no idea, i reloaded mine with linux immediately |
| 17:10:43 | souslik | I'm reading the doc for installing linux. |
| 17:10:59 | souslik | What's the advised blob release? |
| 17:11:11 | souslik | 0.4; 0.5 ? |
| 17:12:05 | prpplague | souslik: blob has a different revision number, the 0.4 and 0.5 version you are refering to are for tuxscreen buildroot |
| 17:12:29 | prpplague | souslik: 0.4 is what alot of ppl are using, i think 0.5 is kinda new |
| 17:12:53 | souslik | I want a stable release to begin learning tuxscreen-linux |
| 17:12:58 | souslik | so 0.4 |
| 17:14:15 | souslik | Am I right if I think there is a blob release for each buildroot? |
| 17:14:51 | souslik | no I'am wrong.. |
| 17:15:09 | souslik | I will read a bit more before asking some stupid questions! |
| 17:15:22 | prpplague | souslik: lol, np |
| 22:51:38 | MicroChip32 | anyone here alive and willing and able to walk me thru the installing the inferno emu on either linux or windows and flashing blob onto my tux? Ive gotta be doin sumfin wrong. :( |