| 00:32:45 | MicroChip32 | whats the current blob version? |
| 00:33:20 | jacques | MicroChip32: the latest with jffs2 support is 2.0.5something |
| 00:34:23 | MicroChip32 | on the blob/lart site those appear to be beta's tho, is 2.0.4 (latest non-beta-looking) suitable? |
| 00:34:35 | MicroChip32 | and is the precompiled lart version suitable ? |
| 00:36:55 | MicroChip32 | bbiab |
| 00:37:56 | jacques | MicroChip32: there is a precompiled tuxscreen version of both 2.0.4 and 2.0.5beta |
| 00:52:43 | MicroChip32 | jacques: where |
| 00:58:14 | jacques | MicroChip32: http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.4/tuxscreen-blob is 2.0.4 version |
| 00:58:43 | jacques | MicroChip32: http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.6/blob-20020501a is 2.0.5beta version |
| 01:01:27 | TomW | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:01:30 | TomW | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 01:01:37 | TomW | jacques: what's up? |
| 01:01:47 | MicroChip32 | ok got it, and this is the file i use with the 10D!tuxscreen-blob F!all right ? |
| 01:03:15 | jacques | MicroChip32: yes |
| 01:03:20 | jacques | TomW: hi :-) |
| 01:03:40 | jacques | TomW: did you ever do any work with powering the tuxscreen from 12V as in an automobile? |
| 01:03:57 | TomW | not exactly. |
| 01:04:22 | jacques | i want to put one of my tuxes in my jeep |
| 01:04:38 | TomW | But I do know that one of the most hostile environments that you can put electronic equipment is on the supply bus of an automobile. |
| 01:04:41 | jacques | possible doing packet radio and/or APRS and the like |
| 01:05:24 | jacques | i still want to try |
| 01:05:31 | TomW | Automotive supplies are no longer +12volt (or 13.8v), most recent autos are running 17-19volts. |
| 01:05:52 | jacques | which ines are those? |
| 01:05:55 | TomW | new ceramic batteries run at a nominal 17v. |
| 01:06:02 | jacques | interesting |
| 01:06:19 | TomW | They will be going to a 48volt supply pretty soon. |
| 01:06:20 | jacques | my 2000 jeep reads right around 14 |
| 01:06:45 | jacques | they will probably have to have 12V somewhere toh - too many things would break |
| 01:06:51 | TomW | My 1997 Grand Am runs about 17volts. |
| 01:06:57 | MicroChip32 | jacques: ham radio? |
| 01:07:27 | TomW | Why? Nothing runs *at* 12 volts when it is for mobile operation. |
| 01:08:58 | jacques | all te things expecting somewhere around 12 would not like 48 too well methinks |
| 01:09:06 | jacques | MicroChip32: yep |
| 01:09:37 | MicroChip32 | jacques cool, same here :) packet and aprs are among my plans for the tux as well |
| 01:10:14 | TomW | What things? The car radio would be designed to handle it. As far as the auto manufacterers are concerned, they don't want you to put a ham radio in their cars anyway. |
| 01:10:46 | jacques | MicroChip32: COOL!!! |
| 01:11:26 | jacques | TomW: the whole car audio aftermarket for one, and all the 12V accessories for cars |
| 01:11:37 | TomW | You would have to design a 3.3v & 5volt supply, I would suggest a switching supply. Then you should put some type of an iductive choke filer on the input of the supply to isolate it from the main feed from the vehicle. |
| 01:11:41 | MicroChip32 | jacques: along with mapping, and maybe some stuff for transmitter hunting <eg> |
| 01:12:03 | jacques | MicroChip32: I am interested in those too! (I am very new ham) |
| 01:12:10 | TomW | s/iductive/inductive/ |
| 01:12:14 | MicroChip32 | jacques: very cool, where from ? |
| 01:12:27 | sjm | jacques: See http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~steve/TuxScreen/ for a 8-40V DC supply |
| 01:12:31 | jacques | MicroChip32: I am in bay area California |
| 01:12:48 | jacques | sjm: thanks, looking |
| 01:12:56 | MicroChip32 | heh wrong side of the continent dood <G> im in michigan |
| 01:13:03 | jacques | MicroChip32: :-\ |
| 01:13:21 | MicroChip32 | how 'bout sending a bit of warm air up here tho ? <G> |
| 01:13:35 | jacques | MicroChip32: I'll do what I can (not much) :-) |
| 01:14:24 | TomW | jacques: I would put a choke filter on the input to that supply! |
| 01:14:26 | MicroChip32 | hehehe ok how long should a flash transfer take ?? i just did the 10c F!all D!inferno.img command |
| 01:14:33 | jacques | TomW: so the tuxscreen wants both 5 and 3.3V ? it does not convert internally? I really have not looked into this much yet |
| 01:15:03 | jacques | MicroChip32: that never worked for me, but ppl say it takes forever and does actually work, it just does ont write to the file on disk for a very long time |
| 01:15:37 | jacques | TomW: put a choke filter on the input of the link sjm just gave? |
| 01:15:45 | MicroChip32 | oooooooook |
| 01:15:47 | TomW | jacques: requires both, no internal regulation. Be advised, an automotive supply (a.k.a. 12v) has a lot of high voltage transients on it, you need a choke filter to block the transients! |
| 01:15:55 | MicroChip32 | someone needs to make a progress meter for that *LOL* |
| 01:16:10 | jacques | MicroChip32: I never had the patience for that one :-) |
| 01:16:27 | MicroChip32 | hehe im watching "Enterprise" anyway so might as well let it run |
| 01:16:34 | jacques | TomW: yeah I know there is all kinds of nasty stuff on a car suply |
| 01:16:51 | jacques | TomW: how long did the inferno backup take for you? |
| 01:16:55 | TomW | jacques: ok, just wanted to be sure.. |
| 01:17:19 | TomW | jacques: never did one to completion, I got tired of it after an hour. |
| 01:19:20 | jacques | TomW: hhe I got tired after about 5 minutes (I did not know it would not write to the disk file until done) |
| 01:20:38 | jacques | i guess I still have one last tux which I could backup if I really wanted that inferno image |
| 01:20:41 | TomW | jacques: I just figured that since I didn't have the source to it, and it wasn't a worthwhile peice of code, I decided not to keep trying to back it up. |
| 01:21:02 | jacques | TomW: yeah I tend to agree - it was never finished after all |
| 01:22:51 | TomW | I even tried the transfer at 9600 buad, but watching the /proc/interrupts I saw no activity, so I assumed that the inferno I had on the workstation confused the Tux inferno and they were just sitting there staring at each other. :-/ |
| 01:25:28 | MicroChip32 | woohoo, its back to the prompt, lemme check the target file |
| 01:25:44 | MicroChip32 | target file is 4mg |
| 01:26:12 | jacques | MicroChip32: well it cant really be larger than that :-D |
| 01:26:40 | MicroChip32 | jacques: hehehe, but at least we can assume it worked, about 15-20 min at 115200 |
| 01:27:13 | jacques | MicroChip32: was the file 0 bytes until the end? |
| 01:27:33 | jacques | MicroChip32: which blob did you flash? |
| 01:27:33 | MicroChip32 | i wasnt watching it, so dunno |
| 01:27:40 | MicroChip32 | aint flashed yet, distracted |
| 01:27:45 | prpplague | MicroChip32: ahh, just tunned into enterprise, what have i missed? |
| 01:28:14 | MicroChip32 | prpplague they were preparing to visit a new planet, and managed to ignight their atmosphere while trying to land, not a good thing |
| 01:28:29 | prpplague | doh |
| 01:28:51 | jacques | arg, and they alrady have the prime directive too |
| 01:28:58 | jacques | naughty naughty |
| 01:29:08 | MicroChip32 | jacques: they do, in "enterprise" ?? |
| 01:29:20 | TomW | yeah, wait until you get the ending.. |
| 01:29:25 | jacques | I thought they did after that last ep on the desert |
| 01:29:43 | MicroChip32 | TomW: you already seen this one ? |
| 01:30:03 | TomW | I am in PA, I saw it a 8PM EDT. |
| 01:30:07 | MicroChip32 | jacques: i might have missed one, but nobody's mentioned it here |
| 01:30:11 | MicroChip32 | TomW: cheat |
| 01:30:24 | TomW | Nope, we just get it first. |
| 01:30:27 | MicroChip32 | its on at 9 edt here |
| 01:30:29 | prpplague | MicroChip32: is that vulcan colony? |
| 01:30:39 | MicroChip32 | prpplague no, its some other species |
| 01:30:47 | jacques | my tivo will record it for me tonight |
| 01:31:06 | TomW | prpplague: vulcan colony is a repeat, double show tonite. |
| 01:31:09 | jacques | anyone know which ep won the vote? to run after the new one tonight? |
| 01:31:31 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
| 01:31:37 | mallum | wtf are you all talking about ? |
| 01:31:38 | TomW | the vulcan colony story where they are experimenting with emotions. |
| 01:31:52 | MicroChip32 | mallum: "Enterprise" |
| 01:31:55 | TomW | mallum: Enterprise. |
| 01:32:05 | MicroChip32 | gmta *LOL* |
| 01:32:09 | prpplague | just got off conference call with korean on new prototype boards |
| 01:32:11 | TomW | mallum: oh, you are in the UK. |
| 01:32:13 | mallum | with the guy from quantum leap ? |
| 01:32:19 | MicroChip32 | mallum yes |
| 01:32:20 | TomW | mallum: yup |
| 01:32:38 | mallum | is it any good ? |
| 01:33:06 | jacques | vulcan colony is the one where that vulcan is trying to get t'pol to explore her emotions? |
| 01:33:27 | prpplague | hmmmm, vulcan pr0n |
| 01:34:13 | TomW | jacques: yes. |
| 01:34:13 | mallum | anyone watch eastenders ? |
| 01:34:16 | mallum | ;) |
| 01:34:29 | prpplague | eastenders, not familair with that one |
| 01:34:44 | prpplague | mallum: i'm a big reddwarf fan |
| 01:35:04 | mallum | prpplague: I think you are a big sci-fi fan in gerenal |
| 01:35:10 | prpplague | mallum: lol |
| 01:35:16 | prpplague | mallum: how can you tell.... |
| 01:35:25 | mallum | ;) |
| 01:35:31 | mallum | Im up late |
| 01:35:35 | jacques | I think Hoshi is the hottest chick by far |
| 01:35:40 | prpplague | mallum: heading to bed? |
| 01:35:47 | mallum | prpplague: yeah I should be ... |
| 01:36:01 | mallum | prpplague: ladyfriend is going away for a few days on work |
| 01:36:16 | prpplague | mallum: ahh |
| 01:36:32 | mallum | prpplague: so I thought I may aswell start staying up stupidly late |
| 01:36:44 | prpplague | mallum: lol |
| 01:36:46 | MicroChip32 | hoshi's cool, but prefer the chick in spiderman (movie) <G> |
| 01:37:00 | prpplague | hoshi?????? |
| 01:37:01 | jacques | havent sene it yet |
| 01:37:07 | jacques | Yes |
| 01:37:16 | mallum | I like the stripper chick in dogma |
| 01:37:23 | mallum | sam biet or whatever |
| 01:37:24 | MicroChip32 | its good jacques: actually pretty much follows the old comics, unlike most movie remakes |
| 01:37:25 | prpplague | t'pol is nice, but 7 of 9 in nice red dress is awesome |
| 01:37:55 | prpplague | Morn's going have a cow when she reads the log |
| 01:38:01 | mallum | heh |
| 01:38:01 | MicroChip32 | rotfl prpplague |
| 01:38:15 | MicroChip32 | Morn will be cool about it, i think |
| 01:38:20 | jacques | MicroChip32: I'm definitely going to see it at some point |
| 01:38:30 | mallum | everyone knows morn is really male .... ;) |
| 01:38:35 | MicroChip32 | rotfl mallum |
| 01:38:42 | | morn was last seen on #handhelds.org 4 hours, 22 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed May 22 22:16:11 2002] |
| 01:38:42 | jacques | ibot: seen morn |
| 01:38:57 | MicroChip32 | that wasnt my impression a few months ago mallum, she had a sex change since then ? |
| 01:39:14 | mallum | no, we were winding her up about it the other day |
| 01:39:20 | mallum | we announced we were all female |
| 01:39:24 | MicroChip32 | lolol |
| 01:39:27 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:40:04 | Morn | what did I miss |
| 01:40:13 | MicroChip32 | speak of the devil |
| 01:40:15 | prpplague | Morn: ahhh, nothing |
| 01:40:18 | MicroChip32 | quick, delete the logs |
| 01:40:20 | mallum | its probably old but I saw this today and it made me laugh -> http://www.alancoxonachip.com/ ( especially the 8bit model ) |
| 01:40:25 | mallum | hides |
| 01:40:27 | prpplague | ^h^h^h |
| 01:41:04 | jacques | Morn: we were talking about hot sci-fi chicks |
| 01:41:14 | Morn | ah |
| 01:41:24 | Morn | Morn's my favorite |
| 01:41:29 | prpplague | mallum: rofl |
| 01:41:31 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 01:41:49 | Morn | hey Micro! |
| 01:41:52 | Morn | long time no see |
| 01:42:00 | MicroChip32 | back at ya Morn :) |
| 01:42:25 | Morn | now just tell me why linux doesn't see the new 512MB dimm I put in |
| 01:42:46 | jacques | does the BIOS see it? |
| 01:42:50 | prpplague | mallum: hey there was a show on here in the US back in the 80's that was a bbc sci-fi |
| 01:43:17 | prpplague | mallum: was a bug of teen age kids with powers, seems like it was something like "outsiders" |
| 01:43:29 | prpplague | mallum: or the "special ones" does that ring a bell? |
| 01:43:29 | mallum | yeah theres load of them |
| 01:43:38 | mallum | I use to do doctor who |
| 01:43:45 | mallum | s/do/like/ |
| 01:43:47 | prpplague | mallum: ya me too |
| 01:44:05 | prpplague | like tom baker and collin baker |
| 01:45:00 | mallum | yeah tom baker rocks |
| 01:45:04 | Morn | anyone remember the movie "Real Genius"? |
| 01:45:07 | mallum | he was my favourite |
| 01:45:12 | prpplague | Morn: ohhh ya |
| 01:45:15 | mallum | and I used to like k9 too |
| 01:45:21 | Morn | it comes out on DVD next month |
| 01:45:23 | Morn | finally |
| 01:45:34 | Morn | Lazlo was my hero |
| 01:45:47 | prpplague | Morn: one of my favorit lines is "would charactize that as a design flaw or manufacturing flaw?" |
| 01:45:52 | MicroChip32 | Morn: real genius, that the one with the couple whiz kids who ultimately fill their prof's house with popcorn |
| 01:46:00 | prpplague | MicroChip32: ya |
| 01:46:05 | MicroChip32 | love it :) |
| 01:48:45 | prpplague | mallum: ya i started to buy the 5 docs episode on dvd, but opted for a fine bottle of abbey ale |
| 01:52:17 | mallum | A cool dvd I got recently was 'battle royale' |
| 01:52:22 | prpplague | anyone here remember "logans run" ? |
| 01:52:28 | mallum | A crazy japanese film |
| 01:52:33 | prpplague | mallum: ahh |
| 01:52:40 | mallum | yeah , who was the girl in logans run ..... |
| 01:53:02 | prpplague | mallum: one my anime favorites is "ghost in the shell" |
| 01:53:13 | prpplague | mallum: fara facet was in it |
| 01:54:03 | MicroChip32 | erm, ref "enterprise" ... ummm oooooook |
| 01:54:15 | MicroChip32 | prpplague ghost/shell was cool |
| 01:54:29 | prpplague | ya there are rumors of a #2 |
| 01:55:06 | MicroChip32 | ok i wanna copy the tux-blob file to the same dir as where it saved the inferno image right ? |
| 01:55:53 | jacques | farrah fawcett? |
| 01:55:54 | jacques | :-) |
| 01:56:08 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1210 |
| 01:56:49 | Sammy | is that you ? |
| 01:56:50 | prpplague | jacques: ya that too |
| 01:56:51 | mallum | prpplague: yeah this film isn't anime though |
| 01:57:13 | mallum | http://www.battleroyalethemovie.com/ |
| 01:57:28 | prpplague | Sammy: ya thats me drinking a yard of ale at an irish pub |
| 01:58:02 | Sammy | cool man :) |
| 01:58:12 | prpplague | mallum: nice, i'll have to add that to my wish list |
| 01:58:29 | MicroChip32 | ok everyone cross their fingers, im about to blob my tux |
| 01:58:30 | MicroChip32 | or try |
| 01:58:43 | prpplague | crosses all 12 of his toes |
| 01:59:44 | prpplague | mallum: is that sub-titled or dubbed? |
| 02:00:28 | prpplague | thinks BZFlag might not be happy that we turned the channel into a scifi chat room, lol |
| 02:01:00 | mallum | sub-titled |
| 02:01:19 | prpplague | mallum: cool, i hate dubbed |
| 02:01:34 | MicroChip32 | ok somethings wrong, im typing 10D!blob F!all and its replying with 10?missing args what gives |
| 02:02:04 | jacques | hmm I havent seen that error |
| 02:02:30 | MicroChip32 | is it supposed to be 10c D!blob F!all ?? |
| 02:03:15 | mallum | ooh why is that text blue ? |
| 02:03:22 | MicroChip32 | cuz i made it that way :) |
| 02:04:11 | MicroChip32 | how about 3Green ? |
| 02:05:08 | MicroChip32 | oh doh, wait a sec, im at the >>> prompt, shouldnt i be at the ; prompt ? |
| 02:05:59 | mallum | bedtime for me ... |
| 02:06:01 | MicroChip32 | no thats right, hmmmm |
| 02:06:12 | prpplague | mallum: later |
| 02:06:32 | mallum | prpplague: indeed ;) |
| 02:06:35 | jacques | MicroChip32: yeah I think you need that c |
| 02:06:54 | jacques | MicroChip32: I was looking for my notes but that mchine is unavailable ATM |
| 02:07:15 | MicroChip32 | yep just found some notes that use the c, most of em ive seen dont for some reason |
| 02:07:25 | MicroChip32 | here goes nuffin, watch for smoke :) |
| 02:07:30 | jacques | ok :-) |
| 02:07:40 | prpplague | crosses all 12 of his toes |
| 02:08:20 | MicroChip32 | umm ok, that was fast, now im at the ; prompt, is that right ? |
| 02:08:30 | prpplague | cooooool, law and order did screen shoots of linux!!!!!!! |
| 02:08:48 | prpplague | with a penguin on the desktop no less!!! |
| 02:09:11 | jacques | prpplague: which ep?? |
| 02:09:19 | jacques | MicroChip32: what did it say? |
| 02:09:37 | jacques | MicroChip32: maybe you need to do it at the ; prompt |
| 02:10:00 | jacques | MicroChip32: it should say "resetting..." or something at the end |
| 02:10:02 | prpplague | jacques: this evening season final, they went to an online bank |
| 02:10:07 | MicroChip32 | >>> c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all |
| 02:10:07 | MicroChip32 | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 02:10:07 | MicroChip32 | ; |
| 02:10:30 | jacques | prpplague: my tivo will record that too |
| 02:10:32 | MicroChip32 | doesnt work at the ; prompt |
| 02:10:37 | jacques | MicroChip32: hmmm |
| 02:10:45 | MicroChip32 | how do i get back to the >>> prompt |
| 02:11:09 | jacques | MicroChip32: you unprotected the flash? I dont know what it says if it cant write, probably more than that tho |
| 02:11:15 | prpplague | jacques: cool, it was quick shoot, but there was no mistaking |
| 02:11:20 | MicroChip32 | yes all unprotected and verifyied |
| 02:11:48 | jacques | I wish I could get to my other home machine - it has detailed notes, since I found variance among the online instructions |
| 02:12:02 | MicroChip32 | the ; prompt is responsive however so it aint bricked ... yet |
| 02:12:15 | jacques | MicroChip32: tat's good |
| 02:12:22 | TomW | jacques: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/FlashUnlock.html |
| 02:12:37 | MicroChip32 | TomW, yea got that, its unlocked |
| 02:13:02 | TomW | MicroChip32: also tells about installing blob. |
| 02:13:47 | jacques | MicroChip32: did you name your blob file to just 'blob' ? |
| 02:13:54 | jacques | oops |
| 02:13:55 | jacques | nm |
| 02:14:10 | MicroChip32 | from that page... Next we install Blob by telling inferno: c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all, you will see something like this: |
| 02:14:24 | prpplague | TomW: nice instructions |
| 02:14:26 | MicroChip32 | which is what i typed, and thats the filename i had used |
| 02:14:46 | jacques | TomW: yeah I think your instructions were the ones that actually worked :-) |
| 02:15:06 | MicroChip32 | yea thats the page i was looking at where i found the c in front of the command |
| 02:15:34 | jacques | :-\ |
| 02:15:40 | MicroChip32 | right now i wanna get back to the >>> prompt to try again ... w/o turning off the tux |
| 02:16:19 | TomW | MicroChip32: you get one try at installing blob, that is all you get. |
| 02:16:29 | jacques | what does it say when you try at the ; prompt? |
| 02:16:45 | MicroChip32 | something to the effect of c not found |
| 02:16:46 | jacques | TomW: he hasnt erased anything yet |
| 02:17:46 | MicroChip32 | hmmm the file tuxscreen-blob is sitting in the directory on the tux ... ???? |
| 02:18:17 | MicroChip32 | erm, no, i guess thats the local pc directory |
| 02:18:21 | MicroChip32 | the emu |
| 02:18:47 | jacques | MicroChip32: right |
| 02:19:14 | prpplague | TomW: i'm going to order some trizeps next week, you want to add any to the order? |
| 02:19:29 | MicroChip32 | the bottom of the tux display is green, says "reading" on the left, with a progress bar colored blue |
| 02:19:43 | TomW | prpplague: no, I have no money to work with right now. |
| 02:19:53 | MicroChip32 | not sure if its showing 0% or 100% |
| 02:20:01 | jacques | MicroChip32: hmmm |
| 02:21:06 | MicroChip32 | TomW: this is all i saw when i typed in the command ... |
| 02:21:12 | MicroChip32 | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 02:21:16 | MicroChip32 | then the ; prompt |
| 02:21:20 | prpplague | jacques: yet another screen shoot of linux on law and order |
| 02:21:22 | jacques | wat's a trizep ? |
| 02:21:37 | jacques | prpplague: coolness cant wait to watch it later tonight whn I get home from work |
| 02:25:24 | TomW | jacques: http://www.keith-koep.com/trizeps.html |
| 02:25:26 | MicroChip32 | ahhhhhhhhh, its not bricked anyway :) |
| 02:25:45 | jacques | MicroChip32: I didnt tihnk it was :-) |
| 02:26:14 | MicroChip32 | i did the bind thing again from the ; prompt and it rebooted the tux, which booted properly |
| 02:27:02 | jacques | TomW: wow do those rnu linux?? |
| 02:27:35 | MicroChip32 | hmmm same result again, just that one line, and the ; prompt |
| 02:27:40 | TomW | jacques: why not, they are basically the same as we have in a standard Tux, minus the telephone interface. |
| 02:28:24 | TomW | MicroChip32: you have to use a special emu with workstations running the 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:28:45 | prpplague | jacques: ya, the run linux with no problems, erikm even has a new patch that blob supports no problem |
| 02:29:12 | MicroChip32 | TomW: huh? |
| 02:29:17 | jacques | hmm kinda spendy tho |
| 02:29:45 | TomW | mehuman_: yup, it is a little know peice of information that was buried in the Wiki pages. |
| 02:29:46 | jacques | MicroChip32: yeah did you doenload the 2.4 emu.tar file? |
| 02:30:07 | jacques | tho I didnt think the old emu would get you this far |
| 02:30:08 | MicroChip32 | jacques: no, the emu i have is from last fall |
| 02:30:14 | MicroChip32 | winblows emu |
| 02:30:36 | jacques | MicroChip32: ah you are flashing from windows? never mind about the new em uthen |
| 02:31:46 | jacques | someone has to have seen this before |
| 02:33:11 | MicroChip32 | repeated again ... erm, ok somethings wacked |
| 02:34:21 | TomW | Heh, out of 7 units I did, I only botched one. That was when I used a blob > 32K in size (Inferno screwup). All done on a Linux workstation. |
| 02:34:30 | jacques | MicroChip32: the blob file is readable by the user the emu is running nuder? |
| 02:34:46 | MicroChip32 | win98, no users |
| 02:34:51 | jacques | oh crap sorry |
| 02:34:56 | TomW | jacques: the blob image file has to be in the inferno directory. |
| 02:35:26 | TomW | ... or you have to give it the fully qualified path to the blob file. |
| 02:35:43 | MicroChip32 | TomW: it is, or at least, its in the directory where c F!all D!inferno.img placed the inferno.img file |
| 02:35:43 | jacques | yeah I think MicroChip32 said it was there and named properly |
| 02:36:42 | MicroChip32 | its in the directory which also contains the LICENCE and NOTICE files |
| 02:36:54 | MicroChip32 | which was the current directory in the emu |
| 02:39:20 | MicroChip32 | what dir is it supposed to be in ? |
| 02:42:20 | MicroChip32 | well, i gotta get some sleep time, will have to play with it tomorow, thanks for the help so far guys |
| 02:42:34 | MicroChip32 | and jacques, will have to talk some more about ham + tux :) |
| 02:42:55 | MicroChip32 | is out |
| 02:44:26 | jacques | damn I missed him |
| 02:51:59 | TomW | jacques: well, you can never know with a windows product just how it will / won't behave... |
| 02:52:10 | TomW | s/product/app/ |
| 02:53:24 | jacques | yeah that's one reason why I avoid windows as much as possible |
| 02:53:30 | jacques | it makes no sense |
| 02:53:58 | TomW | some would say that it makes a lot of cents. |
| 02:54:04 | TomW | ;-) |
| 02:54:23 | jacques | heh |
| 02:54:25 | jacques | too many |
| 02:54:51 | TomW | My linux class students and I would kid about how unstable windoze versions are and how much money we would make at fixing it. |
| 02:58:48 | prpplague | well, if any of you get the job of doing legact unix migration to linux, be sure and ask for more money...... |
| 02:59:15 | jacques | prpplague: :-) too bad you couldn't do automated conversion of those scripts |
| 03:00:26 | prpplague | jacques: thats kinda like say, "how about writing a script called /usr/bin/freud , to bring a patience from the brink of insanity" |
| 03:00:34 | TomW | well, time to pull the plug... |
| 03:00:36 | TomW | later all. |
| 03:00:40 | jacques | later TomW |
| 03:00:41 | prpplague | TomW: later |
| 03:00:44 | prpplague | TomW: me too |
| 03:00:51 | jacques | later prpplague |
| 03:01:02 | prpplague | night guys |
| 04:16:19 | jacques | hi BZFlag and andersee |
| 04:18:21 | andersee | evening |
| 04:38:24 | BZFlag | andersee: got a ? |
| 04:38:29 | BZFlag | is there a way |
| 04:38:46 | jacques | yes |
| 04:38:48 | jacques | no |
| 04:38:50 | jacques | maybe |
| 04:38:54 | BZFlag | to add something to the device table and have it be ignored if the file is not there? |
| 04:39:09 | BZFlag | I'd like to +s Xfbdev |
| 04:40:21 | BZFlag | --squash looses the +x bit right? |
| 04:43:54 | andersee | BZFlag: Hmm. I think (been a bit) that squash only cuts off the "g" + "o" perms |
| 04:44:47 | andersee | is testing his new gcc 3.1 arm cross-compiler building makefile for buildroot |
| 04:46:19 | BZFlag | well Xfbdev is ug+s and --squash is removing the +s bits. |
| 04:47:22 | BZFlag | without --squash it is still +s but is my uid, not root. |
| 04:48:18 | andersee | Hmm. Guess you could put the +s back via a device_table entry... |
| 04:52:47 | BZFlag | yeah, but that bombs if the user has not built/deplyed tinyx. |
| 04:57:12 | andersee | ahh |
| 04:58:11 | andersee | guess we could cat several bits together into a device_table for mkfs to use |
| 05:25:53 | andersee | BZFlag: btw I have built a gcc 3.1 mips cross compiler... works... |
| 05:26:28 | andersee | still woking on a 2.4 kernel for the qube |
| 05:47:02 | sjm | waves goodbye |
| 07:27:06 | Sammy | any guys know how to fixed Data CRC failed ? |
| 09:47:48 | mallum | hi |
| 12:43:34 | MicroChip32 | anyone around, or everyone sleeping still ? |
| 12:52:08 | lyakh_working | ...or working... |
| 13:02:47 | MicroChip32 | working? why in he!! would anyone work? <G> |
| 13:18:35 | MicroChip32 | anyone alive that can tell me what directory i need to have the blob image in before isuing the 10c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all command ?? |
| 13:55:05 | pattieja | is back (gone 23:48:10) |
| 13:55:41 | pattieja | is away: iTEC |
| 14:00:11 | TomW | blinks & yawns |
| 14:00:26 | TomW | monning alll |
| 14:00:34 | TomW | pht |
| 14:00:38 | TomW | morning all |
| 14:04:41 | TomW | lyakh_working: you there? |
| 14:41:38 | mallum | hi |
| 14:44:44 | TomW | something like that. |
| 14:45:47 | TomW | I have been attempting to setup a cross development system here, similar to what the uClibc uses, but still having problems with the linker. |
| 14:46:32 | TomW | Seems that the linker wants to link to crt0.o, but I thought that crt1.o was used for dynamically linked code.. |
| 15:07:50 | MicroChip32 | anyone alive that can tell me what directory i need to have the blob image in before isuing the 10c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all command ?? |
| 15:09:46 | TomW | on linux, it needs to be in the default directory that inferno uses when launched. |
| 15:10:10 | TomW | so, if you downloaded the inferno from the tux, the workstation inferno put it someplace. |
| 15:10:25 | TomW | that, is where you should put your blob image, the same place. |
| 15:11:07 | MicroChip32 | TomW: ok im working from winblows, but yes i downloaded the inferno from the tux for just that reason, and put the blob image in the same place |
| 15:11:11 | TomW | or, you need to give a fully qualified path/file. e.g. c:\program files\inferno\tuxscreen-blob |
| 15:11:49 | TomW | you are working from windoze, ok. Is there something wrong with your linux box? |
| 15:12:13 | MicroChip32 | but when i issue the 10c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all command it just gives me one line and then the ; prompt |
| 15:12:25 | MicroChip32 | linux box is ok, but serial ports are occupied |
| 15:13:33 | MicroChip32 | you think i should do the command as 10c D!c:\path\to\file\tuxscreen-blob F!all ?? |
| 15:13:58 | TomW | yes, that should work. |
| 15:14:08 | MicroChip32 | ok watch for smoke :) |
| 15:14:23 | TomW | do you have a file named: tuxscreen-blob, or is it just called 'blob'? |
| 15:14:30 | MicroChip32 | tuxscreen-blob |
| 15:16:43 | MicroChip32 | nope, that says cannot open 'filename', different than if i just give it the filename |
| 15:18:29 | MicroChip32 | heres what i get with just the basic command |
| 15:18:30 | MicroChip32 | >>> c D!tuxscreen-blob F!all |
| 15:18:30 | MicroChip32 | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 15:18:30 | MicroChip32 | ; |
| 15:18:53 | TomW | Well, cannot tell you what is going on then. I don't run windoze here |
| 15:19:25 | TomW | free up a serial port on the linux box and I can give you a working inferno to use on it. |
| 15:19:30 | MicroChip32 | do you have a few minutes to help me set up on linux, i can discon one of my serial ports |
| 15:19:36 | MicroChip32 | gmta :) |
| 15:22:39 | MicroChip32 | ok tux is booted to normal gui, null serial cable connected to linux com 2 i think |
| 15:25:35 | MicroChip32 | ok /dev/modem = /dev/ttyS0 so must be modem is on com1 so tux must be on com2 |
| 15:34:30 | TomW | So, go back over the whole procedure as outlined on my page: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/FlashUnlock.html |
| 15:35:19 | TomW | you don't need to apply the 12 volts, just verify that the flash is unlocked. Do you have an inferno to use on the linux box? |
| 15:35:50 | MicroChip32 | i dont think so, i think i only have the windows version |
| 15:35:59 | MicroChip32 | and i have verifyied the flash is all unlocked |
| 15:37:00 | TomW | Well, let's do it again on the linux box: #1 we make sure that linux can work with the tux via the rs232, #2 never assume. |
| 15:37:19 | MicroChip32 | #2 yea most def |
| 15:37:30 | MicroChip32 | so how do i check the linux->tux connection ? |
| 15:41:20 | TomW | I have an Inferno already setup for a 2.4 kernel machine. You will need this, either from me, or you will have to install the linux version, then go hunt down the 2.4 emu.tar and get it properly installed. |
| 15:41:26 | TomW | you want the one I have? |
| 15:41:33 | MicroChip32 | i have 2.2 kernel |
| 15:42:27 | TomW | Ok, then you have to follow what the wiki tells you to do to get inferno working on the Tux. Essentially, you have to go to the inferno website and grab the linux version and install it. |
| 15:43:22 | MicroChip32 | http://cgi.www.vitanuova.com/cgi-bin/www.vitanuova.com/idown.pl right ? |
| 15:45:27 | MicroChip32 | downloading inferno.tgz, and linux.tgz will be a while on this connection |
| 15:46:40 | TomW | right, those two files. |
| 15:47:04 | MicroChip32 | i just found the inferno.tgz file from my windows install, this is the same file no? |
| 15:47:59 | TomW | I wouldn't know, I never assume. Been burned too many times in the past with stuff that I assumed about.. |
| 15:48:35 | MicroChip32 | hehe well its the same size as the one on the inferno site, and i know thats where i got it from in the first place |
| 15:48:45 | TomW | your call.. |
| 15:49:22 | MicroChip32 | well got 45 or so minutes to wait on the linux.tgz file *sigh* |
| 15:49:44 | sjhill | MicroChip32: owww, what type of pipe do you have, modem? |
| 15:49:57 | TomW | Follow their installation instructions exactly: unpack the inferno first, then the linux tarball next. I would not put it past them to have the linux tarball overwrite some of the generic files. |
| 15:50:23 | TomW | sjhill: sounds like he is using the linux box as a dialup router. |
| 15:50:29 | MicroChip32 | sjhill: 56k modem, but friggin isp seldom gets better than 288 actual |
| 15:50:38 | TomW | ow ow ow! |
| 15:51:02 | MicroChip32 | TomW: inferno then linux, yes i figured that about overwrite as well |
| 15:51:19 | TomW | I am running through a 800Kbps cable modem. You really really need a FAT pipe if you do any serious software work! |
| 15:51:19 | MicroChip32 | and yes, im using the linux as a dialup/firewall/router(nat)/etc |
| 15:51:55 | MicroChip32 | TomW: no kidding, unfortunately this is all there is here, not even any other isp option here, and no cable, dsl, etc anywhere near |
| 15:52:05 | TomW | 56K dialup, let's see, that was, hmmm.. 5 years ago for me? |
| 15:52:40 | TomW | maybe 6.. |
| 15:52:40 | MicroChip32 | nuts half the time i dont even get connected at 56k. im on the end of the phone line out here, only like 3 houses beyond me |
| 15:53:23 | TomW | "Oh lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz..." |
| 15:53:34 | sjhill | MicroChip32: try satellite isp yet? |
| 15:53:39 | MicroChip32 | wants a t3 line *sigh* |
| 15:53:41 | TomW | Keep praying that the isp gets a "clue". |
| 15:53:45 | MicroChip32 | sjhill: i wish, cant afford it |
| 15:53:48 | sjhill | ah |
| 15:54:15 | MicroChip32 | TomW: these guys? a clue? i doubt they can even SPELL it |
| 15:55:02 | MicroChip32 | theyre main backbone into my area typically runs at 80% capacity, instead of the normal 30% capacity |
| 15:55:13 | MicroChip32 | aka badly overloaded |
| 15:55:25 | TomW | I don't know who was responsible at the ISP, but they got us wired up with cable modems maybe 6 years ago. I don't live near NYC / Philadelphia, I am practically in the woods here! |
| 15:55:55 | MicroChip32 | heh there's not even a wired cable system within 5 miles of me that i know of |
| 15:56:53 | TomW | ... We have had several Govenors who have been pushing technology for the state. After all, when the Steel Mills & Coal mines shutdown in the early 70's, there were a lot of people out of work. |
| 15:57:32 | TomW | MicroChip32: maybe time for you to start your own ISP? |
| 15:58:02 | MicroChip32 | TomW: sure ... $$$ |
| 15:58:28 | MicroChip32 | a friend and i would like to set up wireless in a few areas around here, but theres really not enough people to pay for it |
| 15:58:38 | TomW | everything costs $$$, that is why there is Venture (vulture) Capitalists. |
| 15:58:38 | MicroChip32 | or at least its sorta borderline |
| 15:58:53 | MicroChip32 | vulture :) |
| 15:59:20 | MicroChip32 | no biggie really, im moving sometime this summer anyway, we're selling the house |
| 15:59:43 | MicroChip32 | anywhere else has GOT to have better service *lol* |
| 15:59:58 | TomW | No, wait! You are in Michigan, right? |
| 16:00:15 | MicroChip32 | TomW yea, mid michigan, NE of GR, NW of Lan |
| 16:00:26 | MicroChip32 | centuryHell isp |
| 16:00:33 | MicroChip32 | er, CenturyTel |
| 16:00:51 | TomW | Ok, forget it, I've been to Michigan, those people don't need high speed internet connections... |
| 16:01:00 | MicroChip32 | LOL TomW :) |
| 16:01:03 | TomW | :-D |
| 16:01:24 | MicroChip32 | Nuts, I dont think half of michigan even knows what the internet IS |
| 16:02:01 | MicroChip32 | kicks his isp, gimme the friggin data already |
| 16:02:13 | TomW | I was about 30 miles NE of Detroit working with a distributor of a company I was at. Nice people, just very laid-back when it comes to technology. |
| 16:02:37 | MicroChip32 | "laid back" is being too nice, "idiots" would be closer |
| 16:02:57 | TomW | de WN3L |
| 16:03:33 | MicroChip32 | hmmm almost sounds like a ham call |
| 16:03:49 | TomW | extra call |
| 16:04:56 | TomW | lot of hams playing with linux these days. I guess that is why 2 mtrs is so dead anymore, people are on the internet instead. |
| 16:05:11 | MicroChip32 | thats part of it at least |
| 16:06:00 | MicroChip32 | to me, the two ~can~ complement each other in some critical areas. im into emergency services |
| 16:06:21 | MicroChip32 | each, ham, internet, cellphones, etc have their own advantages |
| 16:07:16 | TomW | about all I do anymore is Skywarn. Too much politics in RACES & ARES. |
| 16:07:45 | MicroChip32 | gah, dont get me started there, ares isnt too bad (aside from inactivity), but races.... gah |
| 16:08:05 | MicroChip32 | skywarn is about all there is active around here anyway |
| 16:08:27 | MicroChip32 | ~17 mins to go *falls asleep* |
| 16:08:35 | TomW | we have a bonehead OEM who thinks that all RACES are good for is directing automobile traffic. |
| 16:08:50 | MicroChip32 | lolol tom |
| 16:09:26 | TomW | shoot, I got to mow my lawn today... |
| 16:09:33 | MicroChip32 | well that is a valid task i suppose, but sheesh, races is meant for alot more |
| 16:09:44 | MicroChip32 | heheh lawn, dont remind me *LOL* |
| 16:09:59 | MicroChip32 | crap our lawn grows back up behind the tractor and laughs at it |
| 16:10:40 | TomW | so what is the MicroChip32 stuff about? PIC's now come as 32bit or something? |
| 16:10:42 | MicroChip32 | ok while im waiting, where to i wanna set up inferno on linux ? |
| 16:11:04 | TomW | I stuck it in /home/tom/TuxScreen/Inferno |
| 16:11:09 | MicroChip32 | heheh 32 is both a play on bit-size and on age (this year) |
| 16:12:22 | MicroChip32 | microchip is a nick ive had since a kid |
| 16:12:41 | MicroChip32 | but someone else owns "microchip" on this network *sigh* |
| 16:14:37 | MicroChip32 | ok, unpacked in /home/mc/tuxscreen/inferno with subdirs of dis, install, mnt, n, tmp |
| 16:16:07 | TomW | you have /dcc working ok. |
| 16:16:11 | TomW | ? |
| 16:16:12 | MicroChip32 | . /dev/ttyS* are r/w for anyone |
| 16:16:26 | MicroChip32 | irc dcc? no, dual firewalls |
| 16:16:31 | TomW | better to add your username to the /etc/group for the tty. |
| 16:17:55 | TomW | Then start inferno from a script inside the inferno dir as: |
| 16:17:57 | TomW | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:17:58 | TomW | /home/tom/TuxScreen/Inferno/Linux/386/bin/emu -r/home/tom/TuxScreen/Inferno/ -g1024x768 |
| 16:18:03 | MicroChip32 | ok did that |
| 16:18:21 | MicroChip32 | erm did the group/perms thing |
| 16:18:31 | MicroChip32 | dont have the linux part downloaded yet tho |
| 16:18:37 | TomW | You need to put the tuxscreen-blob into that dir: /home/tom/TuxScreen/Inferno/ |
| 16:18:51 | MicroChip32 | ok, and how do i check the md5 on it ? |
| 16:19:01 | TomW | I would go get a new 0.4 tuxscreen-blob & tuxscreen-blob.md5 |
| 16:19:57 | TomW | Then do a: md5sum --check tuxscreen-blob.md5 to make sure that the blob you got did not get hurt somehow. |
| 16:20:25 | TomW | Remember, you only get one shot at installing blob! If you screw up, you have to get a JTAG to fix it with. |
| 16:21:11 | TomW | I know that the 0.4 blob works, cannot vouch for a 0.5 & -> |
| 16:22:05 | MicroChip32 | got em, had the blob but refetched it anyway |
| 16:22:35 | MicroChip32 | says blob ok |
| 16:23:15 | MicroChip32 | brb nature |
| 16:24:50 | MicroChip32 | ahhhhh :) |
| 16:25:43 | TomW | now, create the script file from what I gave you. You may want to change the graphics size (-g1024x768) to meet your resolution. |
| 16:26:08 | TomW | the script not only launches inferno, but also sets the working directory (-r) |
| 16:26:25 | TomW | ... change as needed ... |
| 16:27:03 | MicroChip32 | ok where do i unpack the Linux.tgz to ? |
| 16:27:49 | TomW | cd ~ ; mkdir TuxScreen ; cd ~/TuxScreen ; tar zxpf Linux.tgz |
| 16:29:04 | MicroChip32 | whats the p ? |
| 16:29:34 | TomW | preserve permissions, they tell you to use that in the installation instructions. |
| 16:32:32 | MicroChip32 | ok in the /home/mc/tuxscreen/inferno directory i have Linux, dis, install, mnt, n, and tmp directories |
| 16:33:27 | MicroChip32 | and a script "inferno.sh" from what you printed above |
| 16:33:29 | TomW | ?? I have: |
| 16:33:54 | TomW | FreeBSD/ NOTICE acme/ env/ keydb/ man/ n/ tmp/ |
| 16:33:55 | TomW | Hp/ Nt/ appl/ fonts/ lib/ mkconfig net/ tuxscreen-blob |
| 16:33:55 | TomW | Irix/ Plan9/ chan/ foo licencedb/ mkfiles/ nvfs/ usr/ |
| 16:33:55 | TomW | LICENCE RunInferno.sh* dev/ icons/ locale/ mnt/ prog/ wrap/ |
| 16:33:55 | TomW | Linux/ Solaris/ dis/ install/ mail/ module/ services/ |
| 16:35:20 | MicroChip32 | nope, altho interestingly i have all or most of that under my windows installation |
| 16:36:11 | TomW | getting those tarballs that you have.. |
| 16:37:59 | MicroChip32 | oh gotta run the install script first |
| 16:45:19 | MicroChip32 | ok im confused, unpack Linux.tgz into ..../inferno or into ..../inferno/install ??? |
| 16:45:41 | TomW | Yes, their instructions suck. |
| 16:46:19 | TomW | They tell you to make a totally new user on your system called inferno, then install as that user, blah-blah. |
| 16:46:46 | MicroChip32 | ok it says unpack both into same dir |
| 16:47:39 | TomW | Correct |
| 16:48:20 | MicroChip32 | then run the install script ... in progress |
| 16:48:26 | TomW | I installed as the user tom.tom and it ran ok. They are being braindead and telling you to do it the "right" way. |
| 16:50:20 | MicroChip32 | *sigh* sheeesh, my computer aint THAT old *snore* |
| 16:50:30 | TomW | If you follow their instructions, then you have to login as the "inferno" user, run X and launch inferno that way. It doesn't make any sense to me why I need an extra-special user account on my system to run their stupid software! |
| 16:51:03 | MicroChip32 | ok installation complete, and yea i did set it up as separate user, but no 'X' on this box |
| 16:51:16 | MicroChip32 | terminal only |
| 16:52:35 | TomW | Inferno is a graphical program, it only runs under X. |
| 16:53:35 | MicroChip32 | well that sucks, x not even installed, much less used on my linux box. set up for server/firewall only |
| 16:53:47 | TomW | Maybe it is time to rethink the linux setup there and focus of different systems. A lot of the software for the Tux needs to be built, there are very few binaries available. |
| 16:54:50 | MicroChip32 | argh |
| 16:54:50 | TomW | I don't know what the state of CygWin is (the gcc compiler for windoze), but from past experiences from users of Cygwin, it can be a pain to get setup for cross development. |
| 16:55:44 | TomW | MicroChip32: maybe what you need is VMware to run on your windoze box? They have a $99 version which will let you run linux on a windoze box. |
| 16:56:16 | MicroChip32 | need win98se for it, which i dont have |
| 16:56:39 | kergoth | vmware is slowwww but useful |
| 16:57:06 | MicroChip32 | i used to use vmware to run windows on linux, but had to redo both my linux and windwos systems |
| 16:57:35 | TomW | I use the workstation version ($299), I need it as I have customers that require software to be built for a variety of windoze platforms. So I just create a new virtual machine and stick a copy of windoze in it. |
| 16:58:22 | TomW | kergoth`coding: not on an Athlon 1200MHZ machine with 54Gig of Ultra160 SCSI and a Gig of DRAM it isn't! |
| 16:58:31 | kergoth`coding | TomW: point taken :-) |
| 16:58:35 | TomW | heh |
| 16:58:36 | MicroChip32 | yea vmware is really cool, it had fits with my video setup tho |
| 16:58:52 | MicroChip32 | egads, trade ya systems tom <G> |
| 16:59:04 | TomW | MicroChip32: you have to install the vmware tools, then the video settles down. |
| 16:59:08 | MicroChip32 | athlon 850 / 512 ram |
| 16:59:32 | MicroChip32 | TomW: yea but you gotta get crap set up in the proper order, and the docs sucked |
| 17:00:13 | TomW | MicroChip32: that was my last box, before the upgrade: 800MHz Athlon, 512Meg DRAM and a PCI Ultra160 card. NEVER, EVER get a PCI Ultra160 card: slooooooow! |
| 17:00:28 | MicroChip32 | thinks he's gonna have to clean off one of his drives and make a 2nd linux system |
| 17:01:02 | MicroChip32 | pci ultry is disk or video ? |
| 17:01:43 | TomW | MicroChip32: that is an option also, drives are cheap! Grab a 20Gig drive, install linux onto it, and make the system dual boot. If you fsck up the install, just boot off a windoze startup disk and run 'fdisk /mbr'. |
| 17:01:58 | TomW | unless you are on Windoze NT, 2000, or XP... |
| 17:02:29 | MicroChip32 | my main (user) system is 98 original, linux box is rh6.2 (2.2 kernel) |
| 17:02:53 | TomW | Ultra160 is ultra fast SCSI. |
| 17:03:27 | kergoth`coding | TomW: why so slow? not enough bandwidth on the pci bus for it? |
| 17:03:57 | MicroChip32 | but yea i have an 8 and a 10 gb drive here in the windows box, I ~was~ trying to migrate my current windows onto the other drive with a clean install, been too busy to finish. guess i'll wipe that off and move it over to the linux box |
| 17:04:15 | TomW | kergoth`coding: yup! I got a real nice performance boost by going to a motherboard with the Adpatec controller built in. Almost 30% increase in throughput. |
| 17:04:45 | kergoth`coding | TomW: impressive.. didnt realize.. |
| 17:04:51 | MicroChip32 | i use the asus mboards and amd chips |
| 17:04:55 | MicroChip32 | and ati video |
| 17:05:04 | TomW | My buddies linux box with a Pentium III 450MHz built in Ultra80 would outrun my Athlon 800MHz with the PCI Ultra160! |
| 17:05:15 | MicroChip32 | ouch tom |
| 17:05:24 | kergoth`coding | TomW: I'm using a old 3 channel megaraid ultrawide caching raid controller, and was going to upgrade it to 160 soon, thanks for the heads up... I'll get an onboard raid controller instead. |
| 17:05:37 | TomW | He would finish a long compile 20% sooner than my machine would. |
| 17:06:36 | TomW | kergoth`coding: not many boards have them, I am using an MSI motherboard. IIRC it is the MSI MS-6347 |
| 17:06:51 | kergoth`coding | TomW: ah |
| 17:07:19 | TomW | the MS-6341 has DDR ram on it and a 266MHz FSB, the MS-6347 is only SDRAM with a 200MHz FSB. |
| 17:07:45 | kergoth`coding | anyone here know offhand where i can obtain the ucb1200 drivers? specifically the touchscreen and audio.. is that in one of nicolas pitre's patches? hm |
| 17:07:45 | kergoth`coding | ah |
| 17:07:46 | TomW | But, I already had the 200MHz FSB Athlon 1200 chip... |
| 17:08:46 | MicroChip32 | shit, im gonna have to set up the alternate linux boot on my windows machine and run vmware on linux (fun) or else migrate my entire server/router configuration to the x-installation, no thanks. |
| 17:08:59 | MicroChip32 | blah, guess i wont get the blob done today *sigH* |
| 17:09:11 | TomW | The PC97 audio of the MSI boards suck, I opted for a Sound Blaster Live! and disabled their onboard stuff. |
| 17:09:31 | kergoth`coding | ugh i'm stuck with a ac97 on my board.. its horrid |
| 17:09:31 | MicroChip32 | TomW sbl, good call |
| 17:09:44 | kergoth`coding | I really need to upgrade to a sb live or a hercules |
| 17:10:03 | TomW | kergoth`coding: those drivers source should be in the linux dir. I don't know who did them, Pietre or Russ.. |
| 17:10:52 | kergoth`coding | TomW: I'm referring in general.. I just downloaded the 2.4.18-rmk6 sources and noticed they werent included, so was wondering where one obtains them... heh.. I dont own a tuxscreen yet, I'm doing stuff for the zaurus atm |
| 17:10:53 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 17:11:04 | TomW | MicroChip32: I have a friend who is an audiophile. I put together a linux box for him and we stuck a SBL in it, he loves the audio! |
| 17:11:26 | MicroChip32 | hehe |
| 17:11:48 | MicroChip32 | well, im outa here for a while, gonna go hack up another linux but with x and vmware |
| 17:11:58 | MicroChip32 | er, linux boX |
| 17:12:09 | MicroChip32 | thanks for the help TomW |
| 17:13:04 | kergoth`coding | TomW: you know where one obtains the latest -np patches offhand? |
| 17:13:07 | TomW | kergoth`coding: should be Russ's then: patch-2.4.18-rmk2-tux1 |
| 17:13:21 | kergoth`coding | ah |
| 17:15:13 | TomW | I don't know if you can get the latest linux-ARM.uk stuff and find the Shannon in there. I don't know if it is an "officially" support platform or if RMK is only doing this as a courtesy to the Tux people. |
| 17:15:29 | TomW | s/support/supported/ |
| 17:16:30 | TomW | ... I get so confused whenever I goto http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 17:16:32 | TomW | :-/ |
| 17:16:47 | russ_ | you need 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1? |
| 17:17:38 | kergoth`coding | hmmm |
| 17:17:41 | TomW | Russ|werk: you want me to push my copy up to sf and change the Makefile? |
| 17:18:07 | kergoth`coding | on the zaurus, the dac is accessed via SSP over a GPIO.. I wonder if the sa1100ssp module would work |
| 17:19:14 | TomW | time to mow the freakin lawn. later |
| 17:19:18 | kergoth`coding | ttyl |
| 17:19:33 | TomW | is away: pushing the mower... |
| 17:21:10 | Russ|werk | TomW: go ahead, I won't have my own web space for a while |
| 17:21:35 | TomW | Russ|werk: ok, too many people needing it lately. |
| 17:23:15 | kergoth`coding | Russ|werk: the ucb1200 audio and touchscreen drivers.. you know where thats obtained offhand? |
| 17:44:11 | Russ|werk | kergoth: the ucb1200 (and ts stuff) is in drivers/misc |
| 17:44:42 | kergoth | yep, someone already pointed me there. didnt realize it wasnt in char..:-) |
| 17:47:32 | Russ|werk | they moved it |
| 18:31:55 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 18:35:07 | BZFlag | hey |
| 18:35:40 | BZFlag | no specs on the tc35143 |
| 18:36:00 | kergoth | didnt think so |
| 18:36:02 | kergoth | had to ask :-) |
| 18:53:51 | Russ|werk | j #blob |
| 19:09:21 | lyakh | BZFlag, you're there? |
| 19:10:29 | TomW | kergoth: this help? http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/prd/risc/39family/3911_12/pdf/3911_12_13.pdf |
| 19:19:44 | BZFlag | lyakh: sorta. ;-) |
| 19:20:21 | lyakh | good!, hi, so, did you manage to get it out (my box)? |
| 19:24:40 | BZFlag | I shipped 4 domestic, 2 germany and 2 sweden today. which are you? |
| 19:25:10 | lyakh | germany, if I was lucky one of those 2...:-) |
| 19:25:42 | BZFlag | name? |
| 19:25:56 | lyakh | G. Liakhovetski |
| 19:26:10 | lyakh | (/who lyakh:-)) |
| 19:26:22 | BZFlag | yep, you were one of them. |
| 19:26:57 | lyakh | Cool!!! Thanks! I'll start nocking at my post-office tonight:-) |
| 19:26:59 | BZFlag | hmm.. my client has Real Name: Unknown. |
| 19:27:05 | BZFlag | hang on a sec... |
| 19:27:12 | prpplague | BZFlag: how many are you down to? |
| 19:27:35 | BZFlag | lyakh: just msged you the ins number. |
| 19:27:50 | BZFlag | prpplague: around 230 now. |
| 19:28:11 | BZFlag | almost out of 2 packs. most of those are single boxes now. |
| 19:38:52 | lyakh | thanks again, cheers |
| 19:44:40 | prpplague | BZFlag: i saw a nice ad for embedix on linuxdevices.com today |
| 19:58:58 | Russ|werk | hey andersee |
| 19:59:04 | Russ|werk | hows the new edition going |
| 20:03:25 | andersee | she is growing like a little weed. Sleeps pretty well, all things considered |
| 20:17:29 | prpplague | andersee: the house obtain that wonderful diaper smell yet? |
| 21:44:14 | kergoth | BZFlag: in the context of collie.h, what is LoCoMo? |
| 21:57:32 | kergoth | BZFlag: nevermind, its that GA chip eh |
| 22:55:18 | prpplague | jacques: howdy |
| 22:55:55 | prpplague | anyone heard what the status of linux port the GBA is? |
| 22:56:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: yet another question for you... the collie fb driver never seems to actually power down the lcd with the m62332.. only disables the controller. any idea why this is? |
| 22:59:14 | jacques | hi prpplague :) |
| 23:21:42 | jacques | hi MicroChip32 |
| 23:21:47 | MicroChip32 | g'mornin jacques |
| 23:22:03 | MicroChip32 | no luck with blobing so far :( |
| 23:23:06 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: captain_proton: cool. [Thu May 23 22:10:45 2002] |
| 23:23:06 | jacques | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 23:23:11 | jacques | hmm |
| 23:24:11 | jacques | it's almost like a flow control problem |
| 23:24:24 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm |
| 23:25:12 | MicroChip32 | i do seem to remember reading something about checking those settings, but in winblows (which is what i have) isnt the app (the emu in this case) responsible for that |
| 23:25:36 | jacques | MicroChip32: I would think so, but not sure - I remember a control panel for that a long time ago in windows 95 |
| 23:25:55 | jacques | MicroChip32: also, how sure are you about he cable you are using? |
| 23:26:04 | MicroChip32 | i do have a linux box, but it doesnt have x installed, i have a dual boot on this machine now with a gnome system set up, but dont have the emu installed on it yet |
| 23:26:26 | MicroChip32 | jacques, cable is essentially new, and is definitely null modem |
| 23:26:47 | MicroChip32 | besides, its the one i used to copy the inferno image from the tux to the emu |
| 23:26:53 | jacques | MicroChip32: well one guy bought a "windows data transfer" null modem cable and it never worked right |
| 23:27:10 | jacques | MicroChip32: you should not need X Windows for this step |
| 23:27:14 | MicroChip32 | there are different types of null modem |
| 23:27:36 | MicroChip32 | TomW said this morning that the linux emu is gui thus needs x |
| 23:27:50 | jacques | MicroChip32: that's wrong |
| 23:28:07 | jacques | linux emu is command line |
| 23:29:07 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm ok well then, sec |
| 23:30:05 | MicroChip32 | ok i have inferno installed on my non-x linux box, how do i start it? |
| 23:30:21 | MicroChip32 | i got it installed this morning before tom told me it was gui |
| 23:31:48 | jacques | MicroChip32: what kernel version on that machine? if 2.4 you eed the new emu |
| 23:32:47 | MicroChip32 | 2.2.19 |
| 23:33:15 | jacques | MicroChip32: ok then you shold not need the new emu |
| 23:34:01 | Russ|werk | andersee... |
| 23:34:29 | Russ|werk | all my programs using pthreads are segfaulting in pthread_mutex_init |
| 23:34:50 | Russ|werk | also, iptables segfaults if it tries to load a shared library |
| 23:39:25 | jacques | MicroChip32: lol I am looking and all the docs just say "start inferno" but DO NOT SAY HOW |
| 23:40:04 | Russ|werk | andersee: cvs broke sometime in the last two weeks for x86 |
| 23:40:17 | MicroChip32 | jacques i found it, there's a readme.html in the inferno directory :) |
| 23:40:21 | MicroChip32 | i have the ; prompt |
| 23:40:31 | jacques | MicroChip32: ah good, which serial port are you using? |
| 23:40:41 | MicroChip32 | ttyS1 (com2) |
| 23:41:36 | jacques | ugh |
| 23:41:48 | jacques | dammit I cant get to my notes and docs are not complete |
| 23:41:56 | jacques | they all assume ttyS0 |
| 23:42:08 | jacques | nd do not tell how to bind to another port |
| 23:42:17 | jacques | but my notes have that info |
| 23:44:57 | MicroChip32 | lovely hehe |
| 23:45:10 | MicroChip32 | does the emu have a help system ? |
| 23:45:13 | andersee | Russ|werk: which cvs? |
| 23:45:24 | MicroChip32 | id switch ports but my modem is on the other one |
| 23:45:54 | andersee | Russ|werk: Hmm. I rebuilt everything this morning and my multi-threaded apps are still working |
| 23:47:12 | Russ|werk | on x86? |
| 23:47:23 | Russ|werk | dnrd segfaults on me |
| 23:49:24 | jacques | this is what I get for booting my machine into windows to use a windows app |
| 23:49:37 | jacques | now I cant access it remotely and rad my notes |
| 23:49:43 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 23:49:45 | MicroChip32 | nice jacques |
| 23:49:57 | MicroChip32 | and nobody at home to swap it for you eh ? |
| 23:50:04 | MicroChip32 | hmmm sounds familiar <G> |
| 23:50:08 | jacques | MicroChip32: nope :-\ |
| 23:50:28 | jacques | MicroChip32: the windows app is the programming software for my HT |
| 23:50:40 | jacques | first time i booted into windows in a year |
| 23:50:48 | andersee | Russ|werk: yup. On x86... |
| 23:51:02 | MicroChip32 | jacques i have my stuff here set up so as long as my windows machine is powered on I can access ANYTHING on it from remote, but i have to log in to the linux server via a very specific path and process to get in |
| 23:51:08 | MicroChip32 | jacques lol nice |
| 23:51:30 | andersee | Russ|werk: Lemme rebuild just to be sure. |
| 23:51:37 | MicroChip32 | my linux box has a paranoid firewall setup ;) |