| 01:58:25 | as_ | wb Tom. |
| 01:59:30 | TomW | yes, only two more classes to go. I walked the class through downloading, untaring, and installing firestarter (a firewall config app). |
| 01:59:58 | as_ | Haha. |
| 02:00:01 | TomW | fortunately, only one library was missing under gnome. |
| 02:00:07 | as_ | Classes today? |
| 02:00:32 | TomW | I am teaching an evening adult course at the local VoTech. |
| 02:01:00 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 02:01:12 | TomW | doesn't pay much, but I get a warm-glowy knowing that I am striking a small blow against mediocrity (windoze). |
| 02:02:35 | as_ | Do you have access to hot air SMD tools? |
| 02:02:44 | TomW | We have a local cable show, ComputerWise, that shows once a week on the local cable. It is all about windoze, I suggested to the director of adult education that he put a 1 minute spot ad on that show to advertise the linux courses. heh. |
| 02:02:57 | TomW | as_: yes, Zephyrtronics. |
| 02:03:11 | as_ | How expensive were they? |
| 02:03:20 | TomW | about $2K |
| 02:04:10 | TomW | I sold "mytoys.com", before the internet bust, to an outfit in Germany for $50K. I used that money to upgrade equipment + pay myself for a year to learn embedded linux. |
| 02:04:39 | TomW | that was back in early 2000. |
| 02:04:42 | as2 | Wow. |
| 02:04:46 | TomW | yeah! |
| 02:04:55 | TomW | never saw that one coming. |
| 02:04:58 | as2 | <as_> How expensive were they? |
| 02:05:05 | TomW | what? |
| 02:05:12 | as2 | The SMD tools. |
| 02:05:27 | TomW | oh, the whole setup cost me USD $2,000. |
| 02:05:42 | as2 | Sounds about normal. |
| 02:06:59 | as2 | TSOP packages have an insane pin density. |
| 02:08:38 | TomW | as2: that is why I also have a 10X / 20X binocular microscope. So I can inspect the solder on those pins. |
| 02:08:59 | as2 | How easy is it to heat damage a chip with hot air? |
| 02:09:53 | TomW | Not so much damage the chip, but too much heat and you will cause the SMD pads to detach from the fiberglass as the glue fails under prolonged heating. |
| 02:10:08 | as2 | Ahh. Hmm. |
| 02:10:39 | TomW | you only heat the pin, pad & solderpaste for about 1 second with the air stream. |
| 02:10:52 | TomW | that's all it takes to reflow the paste. |
| 02:10:56 | as2 | Thats fast. |
| 02:12:16 | TomW | the most work is applying the paste. You use a kind of hypodermic to apply a thin ribbon of paste over the lands (a stripe from pin 1 down the whole side, the ribbon is continuous from the first to the last pad). |
| 02:12:47 | as2 | Hells bells. |
| 02:12:59 | as2 | Like multicolour toothpaste only sideways? |
| 02:13:04 | TomW | once the paste is in place on the PCB, I use a vacuum pick to pick the part up and place it on the board. |
| 02:13:31 | as2 | Oh, Hmm. |
| 02:13:38 | as2 | I dont quite understand I think. |
| 02:13:49 | as2 | What stops the pads shorting? |
| 02:14:36 | TomW | then gently touch it with a probe to align it over it's pads. Once it is positioned, I turn on the air bath and bathe the underside of the PCB with 120 degree C air. When the paste starts to flow (puddle), then I hit it with the airstream from the hot air pencil. |
| 02:15:13 | TomW | as2: surface tension. As the solder paste melts, it pulls itself around the pins & the pads. |
| 02:15:31 | as2 | So you have to be careful not to use too much. |
| 02:15:47 | TomW | that is the biggest mistake, using too much paste. |
| 02:17:23 | TomW | IIRC, to do the fine lead TSSOP parts, you have to use a 0.020 needle to apply the paste . It comes out as a thin "rope". |
| 02:17:42 | as2 | Hmmmm. |
| 02:19:11 | TomW | You could just "flood" solder the parts onto the board using conventional equipment, then use solderwick to clean out the shorts, but that is so time consuming and sometimes you cannot "pull" the solder out from deep under the chip. |
| 02:19:32 | as2 | Yeah. |
| 02:19:42 | as2 | Id be afraid of heat damage. |
| 02:19:55 | TomW | "flood" soldering works well on 0.05" center SMD, when you get down to the 0.025 & 0.020 stuff, it is a bitch to do. |
| 02:20:18 | as2 | I dont really have a good idea how much heat will kill a chip. |
| 02:20:18 | TomW | as2: that too, it is each to overheat / bend the TSSOP pins. They are very fragile. |
| 02:20:49 | TomW | Read your datasheet, maximum storage temperature is 150 degrees C. |
| 02:21:00 | as2 | Modern PCB's are going somewhere scarey. |
| 02:21:09 | TomW | BGA? |
| 02:21:19 | as2 | Well, that too yes. |
| 02:21:24 | TomW | BGA sucks. |
| 02:21:34 | as2 | In size of through hole plating/track sizes. |
| 02:22:16 | as2 | The gap between whats in equipment and what its possible to do at home has become huge. |
| 02:23:51 | as2 | My last project failed miserably and it took over a week to find and correct all the shorts. |
| 02:23:53 | TomW | That doesn't bother me, I have a good board house that I work with: Advanced Circuits (http://www.4pcb.com), they do excellent work! The Tux IDE interface was done with 8mil traces, with 8mil clearances. I have had these guys do some stuff with: 5 mil traces & clearance with 0.016 as the smallest hole size. They will go down to 3mil traces with 3 mil clearance + a 5 mil hole! |
| 02:24:31 | as2 | This is Inches, so I dont have a clue. I only understand metric. |
| 02:24:35 | TomW | as2: Adnvanced circuits does prototypes with silk screen & solder mask for a very reasonable price! |
| 02:24:42 | as2 | A mil is a thousanth of an inch? |
| 02:24:46 | TomW | yes. |
| 02:25:21 | as2 | I need to find somewhere local. I looked at PCBpool, which might do. |
| 02:25:28 | TomW | terminology used to be in mils, most PCB people still talk in mils, although most parts on the boards are now in MM. |
| 02:25:43 | TomW | why local? Don't you have UPS? |
| 02:25:59 | as2 | I'm in the UK. |
| 02:26:19 | TomW | oh, ok, my assumption was that you were in the U.S. |
| 02:26:51 | TomW | ... move to the U.S., nothing happening in the U.K. ;-) |
| 02:27:03 | as2 | Sadly, you are right. |
| 02:27:12 | as2 | And the laws are really getting on my nerves. |
| 02:27:16 | as2 | Hiya prp. |
| 02:27:17 | TomW | ... or, move to Germany. |
| 02:27:42 | as2 | Meine deuche ist sheisse. |
| 02:27:49 | TomW | heh |
| 02:28:01 | TomW | also mein ist. |
| 02:28:45 | as2 | IVe been going through the laws for radioactive substances. Oh are they a pain. US laws are really simple in comparison. |
| 02:29:17 | TomW | ein bier bitte, wo is das badenzimmer, wo is die uban. Do seihst du the shoerne Blonde? |
| 02:29:33 | as2 | HAha. |
| 02:29:56 | TomW | that is all I can remember anymore. My grandparents on my Mother's side were German. |
| 02:31:16 | TomW | i wonder if the Tux kernel will run the Rieser file system, and what kind of performance hit I will take with that? |
| 02:31:41 | as2 | In the UK the laws work like this. Step 1, make everything illegal. 2, issue excemptions to the law whereever and whenever you feel like it, which people wanting to use have to search for. |
| 02:31:59 | as2 | Ive no idea what Rieser is. |
| 02:33:13 | TomW | it is a journaled file system for linux. I will need something better than ext2 to run on the Tux, I don't need the spector of file corruption lurking around in the background just waiting for a power glitch to reboot the Tux. |
| 02:34:41 | TomW | hmm, I will have to put the buildroot-tux that I have onto my own CVS, I can see where I am going to fork a considerable distance from what is in the TuxScreen CVS. |
| 02:35:18 | TomW | heh, wonder if gcc would run on the Tux? |
| 02:35:50 | as2 | I'm wondering if basic5 could be modified to run on the tux. |
| 02:36:04 | as2 | It has an ARM assembler in it as well. |
| 02:37:36 | as2 | Only have the binary for it though. |
| 02:37:48 | as2 | Not sure how much it would need to be modified. |
| 02:38:55 | as2 | Are you thinking of a filing system with error correction then? |
| 02:40:11 | TomW | yes, if you drop power on an ext2 filesystem, you could end up with corruption. |
| 02:40:41 | as2 | Hmm. That is a bad design. |
| 02:40:52 | TomW | notice that the Flash file system that we use is the Journaling Flash File System? JFFS |
| 02:41:03 | as2 | I didnt. |
| 02:41:12 | as2 | But then I'm new at linux. |
| 02:41:34 | TomW | that is why, if the power cycles, then the filesytem can recover by reading the transaction journal. |
| 02:41:49 | as2 | Hmm. Interesting. |
| 02:42:27 | as2 | Does FAT32 have the same problem? |
| 02:43:05 | TomW | yes. only NTFS does journaling on windoze. |
| 02:43:11 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 02:49:37 | prpplague | as2: howdy |
| 02:49:48 | prpplague | cleaning his computer room |
| 02:49:49 | as2 | Oh, why does your page say 191.7MHz Tom? |
| 02:50:12 | as2 | I thought the overclock was just over 200. |
| 02:50:21 | TomW | that is what the Tux is running at, at least that is what the SA1100 data sheet tells me. |
| 02:50:45 | TomW | I am not overclocking, nor does the distro kernel in CVS over clock. |
| 02:51:07 | TomW | err, blob, blob sets the system clock speed. |
| 02:51:24 | as2 | Mmm. Odd, sboot says 103MHz odd is the default. Are there a lot of options? |
| 02:51:37 | TomW | sboot? |
| 02:51:51 | as2 | sboot the inferno bootloader. |
| 02:52:05 | as2 | I'm not as far on as blob yet. |
| 02:52:26 | TomW | i don't use inferno, blob is the loader and linux is the O/S that I use on the Tux, there is no inferno in my linux Tux's. |
| 02:53:26 | as2 | Hmm, interesting. I suppose it depends on the definition of overclock then. |
| 02:54:27 | TomW | No, overclocking impacts other systems: LCD controller, DRAM controller, PCMCIA.. All those systems have to be retuned when you overclock or you will get a lousy LCD display, or a system crash. |
| 02:54:29 | BZFlag | sa1100 on the tux is 133, we overclock to 191.7 |
| 02:54:44 | TomW | ok |
| 02:55:05 | as2 | 133 not 103? |
| 02:55:46 | BZFlag | yes, 133 (well whatever sa1100 spec is close to 133. |
| 02:55:50 | BZFlag | gotta run |
| 02:57:31 | as2 | Hmm, sboot says, cpuspeed = 103219200 |
| 03:00:46 | TomW | Ok, I see that in the datasheet, the SA1100-AA part is rated at 133MHz clockrate. |
| 03:01:56 | as2 | Curioser and curioser. |
| 03:02:51 | as2 | Happen to know what clock the chip generates its PLL from? |
| 03:04:24 | TomW | On the Tux, it is a 3.84 MHz crystal. |
| 03:04:58 | as2 | Ive temperarily lost the pdf. |
| 03:04:59 | TomW | sorry, it is a 3.68 Mhz. |
| 03:05:37 | as2 | Ahh, found it. |
| 03:09:38 | as2 | Now thats interesting. 103.2MHz, 132.7MHz and 206.4MHz are all alowed frequecies. |
| 03:10:22 | pmisfit | is back (gone 23:22:44) |
| 03:10:30 | as2 | Err, and 191.7MHz. |
| 03:10:34 | pmisfit | TomW: great work on the IDE drive! |
| 03:10:51 | as2 | So all these programs are using a different valid value for corer frequency. |
| 03:10:59 | pmisfit | TomW: what's the chip on the left side? looks like an atmel uc? |
| 03:11:05 | TomW | thanks, it was a lot of it too! |
| 03:11:29 | as2 | Even more interesting is it can be pushed faster, to 221.1MHz. |
| 03:11:51 | as2 | Err, 221.2MHz. I'm tired. |
| 03:12:11 | TomW | it is an ATMEL 22V10 |
| 03:12:33 | pmisfit | looks up data sheet |
| 03:13:01 | as2 | Hmm, what is a GAL? |
| 03:13:11 | as2 | Like a PAL? |
| 03:13:30 | TomW | ATF22V10B |
| 03:13:39 | TomW | as2: CPLD |
| 03:13:51 | as2 | Ahh, fair enough. |
| 03:14:20 | TomW | pmisfit: the CPLD is glue. |
| 03:14:24 | as2 | Thought about putting a FPGA into the dev board? |
| 03:14:40 | TomW | as2: I am not setup to handle those things. |
| 03:14:53 | as2 | I'm learning. Slowly. |
| 03:15:10 | as2 | Xilinx 4000 series currently. |
| 03:15:13 | pmisfit | make sense. |
| 03:15:47 | TomW | just two 74HC573 latches and a CPLD. |
| 03:16:29 | pmisfit | very nice. simple, clean, elegant. |
| 03:17:10 | as2 | When are you planning to put up a circuit diagram? |
| 03:17:12 | TomW | best way. We take a performance hit by using the 8bit J602, but then, we don't have to hack the board up making that connector 16bit. |
| 03:17:14 | as2 | grins |
| 03:17:30 | TomW | soon |
| 03:17:36 | as2 | Cool cool. |
| 03:18:22 | as2 | I'll want to look closely on how to use the 602 before I think about HDs. |
| 03:18:46 | TomW | pmisfit: I would like to get 8..10 people together that are interested in boards so I can have a short run of PCBs produced. I would not want to do this board's wiring in point-to-point! |
| 03:19:08 | as2 | Wire wrap! |
| 03:19:25 | prpplague | fun |
| 03:19:27 | prpplague | fun |
| 03:19:29 | prpplague | fun |
| 03:19:31 | pmisfit | TomW: good call. and combining that with the shanip and second serial port makes some sense too |
| 03:19:34 | TomW | nope, that is not a 0.100" connector to the harddrive, it is a 2MM connector. |
| 03:19:49 | as2 | I saw pictures of some of the first transistor computers. That was wire wrap gone insane. |
| 03:20:01 | pmisfit | tux on steroids. |
| 03:20:33 | as2 | 2MM, is that the same as an IDC connector? |
| 03:20:46 | as2 | Or is that the 0.1"? |
| 03:20:47 | TomW | the board has to be compact as there isn't much clearance inside the case in that area. the keypad is very close to the PCB components. Next board I make will not be socketed, that way it will fit more easily. |
| 03:21:02 | TomW | pmisfit: 64Meg DRAM + 10Gig drive. |
| 03:21:06 | pmisfit | 64MB RAM, 10GB drive, VOIP, and 2 serial ports.... damn... kind of like building a PC from scratch ;-) |
| 03:21:08 | GPSFan | TomW: I was able to print an eagle schematic to a .ps file and convert it to .pdf. worked ok, I need to figure out how to rotate & scale to the page size. The only issue was taht it made a BIG file, 3M for the .ps, 1.8M for the .pdf. |
| 03:21:27 | TomW | GPSFan: not a problem, I already have that down. |
| 03:21:44 | GPSFan | TomW: great. |
| 03:21:45 | TomW | GPSFan: been using Eagle for two years now. |
| 03:22:45 | as2 | GPS, did zip sqaush that much? |
| 03:23:04 | GPSFan | TomW: btw, why does your df -h report 4.7G when you have a 10G HDD? |
| 03:23:24 | GPSFan | as2: the .pdf conversion did. |
| 03:23:25 | TomW | GPSFan: there is a schematic that documents the mod to the CPU board to allow the CPU to write to J602, the darned connector was mapped out as readonly! |
| 03:24:01 | as2 | .pdf has crappy compression though, it can normally be zipped smaller. |
| 03:24:04 | TomW | GPSFan: I don't have an fdisk running on the Tux right now, so I had to use the partitions that my notebook had on it. |
| 03:24:17 | TomW | GPSFan: my sister has my notebook. |
| 03:24:21 | GPSFan | TomW: ahh.. |
| 03:24:51 | TomW | GPSFan: we need: fdisk, mkreiserfs, and reierfsck tools. |
| 03:25:13 | GPSFan | as2: didn't try to zip it I just tried to see if it could be done. |
| 03:25:45 | GPSFan | TomW: I've used the iPaq bin's of mkfs.ext3 fdisk etc on my tux. |
| 03:26:06 | TomW | I figure it this way. The system boots on the Flash kernel, then the /etc/fstab mounts the hard drive partitions to the / root filesytem mounting points. |
| 03:26:33 | TomW | GPSFan: I have heard that ext3 is slower than reiser? |
| 03:26:50 | TomW | GPSFan: more overhead? |
| 03:28:06 | TomW | In any event, I will have to grab the fdisk sources and get that running on the Tux. |
| 03:28:14 | prpplague | TomW: your ide design should be portable to the sa-1110 right? |
| 03:28:41 | GPSFan | TomW: nice kernel & basic O/S in flash, user stuff on HDD, ext3 may have more overhead, I am using both, I have 3 desktop Linux systems 2 ext3, 1 reiser. they are on large hdd's though so I don't see the overhead as a problem. I have a CF with ext3 on my cerfcube & iPaq. |
| 03:28:49 | TomW | should be, all you would need is an 8bit port with 6 address lines. |
| 03:29:07 | TomW | A 16bit port should work even better. |
| 03:30:13 | TomW | A 16bit interface to the system bus would be very easy to implement an IDE drive on.. |
| 03:30:24 | as2 | Does the HD default to 8bit, or do you have to double up the output of j602? |
| 03:30:26 | TomW | ... from what I know now. |
| 03:30:43 | TomW | as2: double up the 8 bits. |
| 03:30:54 | as2 | Yuk. ;] |
| 03:30:55 | TomW | the data port of the drive is 16bit. |
| 03:31:15 | TomW | gotta work with what you got. |
| 03:31:32 | as2 | That was something I hated on the arch. 8pit expansion port. |
| 03:31:44 | as2 | True. |
| 03:32:07 | TomW | I keep telling people that linux is all about "empowerment", I could not have done this with a windoze box. Well, maybe, if I spent enough money to develop a driver. |
| 03:32:29 | prpplague | anyone here going to get a lart board on the next production run? |
| 03:32:50 | TomW | why? I have a Tux. |
| 03:33:05 | as2 | Haha. I was going to say much the same thing. |
| 03:33:34 | TomW | They still using the SA1100 on the LART? |
| 03:33:53 | prpplague | TomW: ya, the "baloon" is suppose to be sa-1110 based |
| 03:33:56 | as2 | IS the SA1110 faster or? |
| 03:34:13 | prpplague | TomW: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/ethernet/ |
| 03:34:42 | prpplague | TomW: according to that url, the erthernet board has a nice 8 bit port |
| 03:35:38 | as2 | We have a nice 32bit CPU, and everyone is only implimenting 8bit ports for add ons :/ |
| 03:36:18 | TomW | They already have an IDE for the LART. look in linux/include/asm/arch/ide.h there is some code in there for a LART IDE drive. |
| 03:37:44 | TomW | prpplague: one serious problem with the J602 connector is that GP23 is the only GPIO pin that can be used. The GP24..GP27 is used by the PCMCIA. |
| 03:40:45 | TomW | as2: if you wanted to, you could hack the board up, cut pins 3-8 & 25-26 loose from where they connect to, then connect those pins to D8..D15, then rewire the board logic to get D8..D15 to activate when CS3 is active. |
| 03:41:25 | as2 | Hmm. At this point I dont even know what GPIO pins actually do. |
| 03:41:49 | prpplague | TomW: i know they already have an ide, i meant, i could look at how they implemented the 8 bit port for use with your design |
| 03:42:15 | as2 | My own application only needs 8bits of data, which is something of a releif. |
| 03:42:52 | TomW | ok, ok, brb, I will post my schematics.. |
| 03:43:07 | as2 | IT also only needs an input if the data raye of the j602 can be high enough. |
| 03:44:54 | prpplague | as2: here is a little info - http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/gpio-irqs.txt |
| 03:45:03 | as2 | Tnx. |
| 03:45:38 | prpplague | as2: np |
| 03:46:03 | prpplague | as2: its not as detail as i'd like but as i learn i add |
| 03:47:08 | as2 | I need to sit down and read the sa1100 manual right through. |
| 03:47:18 | prpplague | as2: good luck |
| 03:47:34 | prpplague | as2: i can only do a section at a time |
| 03:47:53 | as2 | Oh I wont understand it first go, haha. |
| 03:48:10 | as2 | That will probably take a month to sink in. |
| 03:48:17 | prpplague | just burned all of the sa-11x0 docs on cd to read |
| 03:48:48 | TomW | http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/J602WriteMod.pdf |
| 03:48:53 | as2 | IVe spent the day flitting between my varios projects and getting nothing done. |
| 03:50:10 | prpplague | as2: been there, done that |
| 03:50:42 | prpplague | as2: i just finish reorganizing my computer room to start on some serious sa-11x0 learning |
| 03:51:12 | as2 | I need to be getting to sleep soon. |
| 03:51:13 | prpplague | as2: TomW has been a big help in the education process |
| 03:51:17 | as2 | ITs getting light. |
| 03:51:30 | prpplague | say your eyes are getting heavy |
| 03:51:41 | prpplague | says you must sleep |
| 03:51:54 | prpplague | says send me all your money |
| 03:52:06 | as2 | I'm very early on in tuxscreen learning, I expect it will be a long time before I can make any sort of useful contribution. |
| 03:52:16 | GPSFan | TomW: do you want me to put that schematic on the schematics page of the wiki, or is it still not quite done? |
| 03:54:59 | TomW | http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/TuxIDE.pdf |
| 03:55:26 | TomW | GPSFan: not yet, I have some review to do on them first. |
| 03:56:48 | GPSFan | TomW: ok, |
| 03:56:58 | TomW | is stuffing money into an envelope to prpplague |
| 03:57:04 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:57:13 | jacques | ? |
| 03:57:26 | TomW | prpplague: is hypnotizing people tonite. |
| 03:57:29 | jacques | i want money envelope too |
| 03:57:55 | TomW | phffft! You have to do it the "old fashioned way", EARN IT! |
| 03:57:56 | as2 | Your a bit late, we allready sent all of ours. |
| 03:58:19 | jacques | i need to make up for the money I spent today |
| 03:58:19 | as2 | Nite all. |
| 03:58:24 | jacques | later as2 |
| 03:58:51 | prpplague | TomW: earn it? how about charge ppl to tell them that theyn need to turn on the encryption on 802.11b connections! |
| 03:58:57 | TomW | jacques: what toys did you buy? |
| 03:59:19 | prpplague | jacques: do tell |
| 03:59:34 | jacques | TomW: i bought a tri-band handheld + accessories |
| 04:00:03 | TomW | VX-5R? |
| 04:00:48 | jacques | TH-F6A |
| 04:01:06 | TomW | What's that, a Kenwood? |
| 04:01:20 | jacques | http://www.kenwood.net/products/index.cfm?AMA=open&ama_hheld=open&radio=TH-F6A&selection=Amateur&ID=193 |
| 04:01:23 | jacques | yep |
| 04:01:51 | prpplague | nice |
| 04:01:58 | jacques | but great reviews on sites like ehamnet (user reviews) |
| 04:02:27 | TomW | Cool, get your tech + HF and we can chat on 40 / 17 mtrs. |
| 04:03:05 | jacques | TomW: yeah I am going to start learning code soon |
| 04:03:18 | GPSFan | TomW: get on PSK31 lots of fun... |
| 04:03:20 | jacques | tho I dont think I can use 17 |
| 04:03:24 | TomW | 17 meters is usually long during the afternoon, early evening. but, you work at night, so maybe 40 meters. |
| 04:03:36 | jacques | 80 40 15 10 |
| 04:03:41 | TomW | GPSFan: what is your call? WN3L here. |
| 04:03:47 | GPSFan | wa2vfn |
| 04:03:53 | jacques | i just got my callsign today |
| 04:04:02 | GPSFan | jacques: congrat's |
| 04:04:03 | TomW | what is it, jacques |
| 04:04:08 | jacques | dont have it memorized yet - just a sec |
| 04:04:13 | TomW | heh |
| 04:04:30 | TomW | GPSFan: he doesn't have it "memorized", heh. |
| 04:04:38 | GPSFan | lol |
| 04:04:42 | jacques | ? |
| 04:04:54 | jacques | KG6LGJ |
| 04:05:07 | GPSFan | I had mind comitted to memory about 30 seconds after I got the ticket in the mail. |
| 04:05:08 | prpplague | TomW: when i was in the army my call sign was rogain1 (doh and i was only 22!) |
| 04:05:20 | jacques | lol |
| 04:05:32 | TomW | jacques: hey, they put numbers like that on airplanes, don't they? |
| 04:05:44 | GPSFan | jacques: that call is a mouthfull.. lol |
| 04:05:54 | jacques | TomW: yeah all except the black helicopters |
| 04:05:59 | prpplague | doh |
| 04:06:07 | TomW | Kilo Golf 6 Lima Golf Juliet, yes, it is. |
| 04:06:30 | jacques | im gonna get a general ticked just so i can get a vnity callsign |
| 04:06:31 | jacques | :-D |
| 04:07:11 | prpplague | jacques: lol, hey now, i always fixed the generals radio! |
| 04:07:19 | TomW | hmmm, maybe a 1x3 if you are lucky. I think that district 6 has stripped out most of their short callsigns. |
| 04:07:31 | jacques | :-\ |
| 04:07:54 | jacques | well it still be shortre |
| 04:07:55 | TomW | there is a lot of hams in district 6, when we go for checkins on the 40 mtr net for district 6, it is a long one. |
| 04:07:57 | jacques | shorer |
| 04:08:08 | jacques | damn i cannot type tonight |
| 04:08:25 | jacques | arg and my work monitor is showing signs of crapping out |
| 04:08:25 | TomW | I was: N3JVA, then KE3DP, and now WN3L |
| 04:09:00 | GPSFan | i've always been wa2vfn... to late to change now. |
| 04:09:07 | prpplague | TomW: where do you find all the time to work on all this stuff? |
| 04:09:33 | jacques | guy at the store was telling me how different testing for license and getting it was in 60's |
| 04:09:38 | TomW | I was about to keep that KE3DP, had it for nearly 6 years, then the vanity program came about. It took me a lot of thinking about it before I decided that I really wanted the Whiskey (W) callsign. |
| 04:10:11 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:10:56 | TomW | prpplague: I always wanted my Ham ticket when I was a pre-teen. Never went for it until I was 40, they had the no-code (no CW) license program starting up. Since I studied Morse Code over the years (boy scouts & such), I amazed myself by passing the 5 WPM test. |
| 04:11:21 | prpplague | TomW: eagle? |
| 04:11:50 | TomW | GPSFan: WA2VFN, what are the phonetics, or haven't you thought any up? I cannot do a thing with WN3L. |
| 04:12:00 | TomW | prpplague: First Class. |
| 04:12:33 | GPSFan | Whisky Alpha 2 Victor Foxtrot November. that's what I use when contesting. |
| 04:12:40 | TomW | prpplague: A lot of us were in scouts just to get away camping & raising hell. |
| 04:13:00 | jacques | the manual for this thing is huge |
| 04:13:31 | prpplague | TomW: lol, i made eagle and was jr scout master till i turned 18, hope my son will get into scouts.... |
| 04:13:32 | TomW | GPSFan: what I mean is, some guy in Montgomery AL. gave me the phonetics for KE3DP as "kiss every 3rd Doll passionately". |
| 04:14:52 | TomW | prpplague: I hear that scouting sucks anymore. They won't let them dig a fire pit, latrine trench, and stuff like that. The 'tree huggers' have taken over scouting, at least in my area... And we have a lot of forests around here! |
| 04:14:58 | GPSFan | lol, a friend in San Diego used to say it was "WAy 2 haVe Fun". |
| 04:15:28 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, but the FCC will get on your case if you sign that way.. |
| 04:15:30 | prpplague | TomW: ya you have to be careful these days, but here in texas we don't put up with the tree hugger crap |
| 04:16:03 | prpplague | TomW: why not use some apache code talk phoentics, that'll baffle them |
| 04:16:11 | TomW | prpplague: we have a lot of city people moving into the area, they just love it that Bambi lives in their backyard! |
| 04:16:17 | GPSFan | She was a non-ham, and saw the call letter plates on the car... |
| 04:16:55 | prpplague | GPSFan: sounds like a female |
| 04:16:56 | TomW | GPSFan: I recall the first time I saw a Ham plate on a car, I couldn't figure out what the letters + number stood for. |
| 04:17:00 | TomW | :-/ |
| 04:17:21 | GPSFan | TomW: just wait till Bambi comes down with CWD.... |
| 04:17:21 | jacques | mmmm, bambi sausage |
| 04:17:31 | prpplague | hmmmm |
| 04:17:34 | jacques | bambi chili |
| 04:17:47 | prpplague | with crawdads |
| 04:17:54 | GPSFan | mmmmm! elk stew... |
| 04:18:01 | TomW | the deer are multiplying like rabbits around here and they raise hell when anyone suggests a special hunt to thin the herds. |
| 04:18:42 | jacques | not good |
| 04:18:54 | jacques | too many deplete the resources they need too fast and then they all die |
| 04:19:02 | prpplague | "i'm sorry office but the deer just jumped in front of my car, and the hood gouged out that steak shaped opening......" |
| 04:19:09 | jacques | lol |
| 04:19:20 | jacques | and then some meat caught fire and flew into my mouth |
| 04:19:27 | TomW | the deer are so tame that you could walk up to them with a baseball bat and bag one. |
| 04:19:43 | TomW | prpplague: heh |
| 04:20:18 | TomW | Ah well, |
| 04:20:43 | TomW | jacques: congrats on getting your ticket. That is the hardest one to get, the first one. |
| 04:21:14 | jacques | TomW: it's so convenient here - the testing is like a mile from where I work and 2 miles from home |
| 04:21:23 | TomW | jacques: now, dial up a local repeater, key up and say your callsign. Start yakking on the thing. |
| 04:21:35 | prpplague | some one correct me here if i'm wrong, but if you use a 8bit single panel lcd on the sa-1110, the gpio0:7 are not required, just the lcd0:7 ? |
| 04:21:51 | jacques | TomW: I will as soon as I charge the damn l-ion batt for 6 hours (!!) |
| 04:23:13 | TomW | jacques: heh, yeah my VX5 has one of those things. I bought the HT on EBay, the guy claimed that it was "in new condition", well, the L-ion battery is shot. He must have used this thing for a while before he sold it. He was right, the condition was "like new". |
| 04:23:35 | GPSFan | prpplague:I think you are correct, as the higher order LCD bits are "alternate functions" of those GPIO's |
| 04:23:46 | jacques | TomW: d'oh |
| 04:24:12 | TomW | jacques: those l-ion batteries only have a shelf life of one year once they get charged for the first time. You can charge them, put them down for a year and they will be dead and won't hold a charge! |
| 04:24:36 | jacques | TomW: yeah on perfect battery technology so far |
| 04:24:40 | TomW | IOW, don't get a spare battery unless you really need it. |
| 04:24:41 | jacques | on==no |
| 04:24:53 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i could could gain additional gpio usage by going with a less capable lcd, i.e. 4 or 8 bit gray scale lcd ? |
| 04:25:15 | GPSFan | jacques: get a sleeve that you can put alkalines in, for emergencies. |
| 04:25:37 | TomW | yeah, like Oakland riots.. |
| 04:25:42 | jacques | GPSFan: yep that was one of the expensive accessories I got |
| 04:25:52 | jacques | along with the PC programming cable |
| 04:25:58 | jacques | a car power adaptor |
| 04:26:00 | prpplague | i've found that radio sells some rechargable batteries for remote control cars that work nicely for mobile devices |
| 04:26:05 | GPSFan | prpplague: take a look at the simputer stuff I think the original design used a greyscale LCD. |
| 04:26:09 | prpplague | s/radio/radioshack |
| 04:26:23 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok, i'll have a look |
| 04:26:32 | jacques | onw if kenwood would only releas the protocol... so i could write a linux app to program it |
| 04:26:51 | TomW | jacques: so, reverse engineer the thing.. |
| 04:27:16 | TomW | jacques: it is probably nothing more than RS232 running at TTL levels. |
| 04:27:57 | TomW | jacques: be good experience for you, reverse engineering something, eh? |
| 04:27:58 | jacques | TomW: oh it is, just the protocol is a mystery, and it's supposedly similar to some which have already been reverse-engineerde |
| 04:28:26 | jacques | similar to some other kenwoods I mean |
| 04:29:16 | TomW | funny thing is that the amatuer radio manufacturers are not as open about their protocols & programming as the rest of us would like. |
| 04:29:38 | GPSFan | jacques: http://www.geocities.com/azkoza/projects/pg4p/g71cable.html |
| 04:29:43 | GPSFan | jacques: http://www.geocities.com/azkoza/projects/pg4p/g71cable.html |
| 04:29:46 | TomW | ... I still want the source code to the computer in my Grand Am, there are a few things I would like to change... :-D |
| 04:29:47 | GPSFan | jacques: http://www.geocities.com/azkoza/projects/pg4p/g71cable.html |
| 04:29:48 | jacques | especially us mon-windows users |
| 04:30:03 | GPSFan | oops ;>P |
| 04:30:41 | TomW | heh, done that before myself. |
| 04:30:46 | jacques | NON-windows users |
| 04:31:03 | TomW | NON-windows (l)users |
| 04:31:12 | jacques | GPSFan: cool - heh that little circuit board is why I bought the cable rathre than make one |
| 04:31:21 | jacques | but the silly thing has a db25 |
| 04:31:56 | GPSFan | jacques: RS selld cutters & DE9's |
| 04:32:06 | GPSFan | s/selld/sells |
| 04:32:15 | TomW | GPSFan: jacques is "electrically challanged". |
| 04:32:28 | GPSFan | oh, sorry ;>) |
| 04:33:32 | jacques | heh heh http://www.geocities.com/azkoza/projects/th-g71_programming.html |
| 04:33:44 | jacques | i hear the f6a protocol is similar |
| 04:33:50 | prpplague | later guys, wife is requiring some "quality time" |
| 04:34:05 | GPSFan | night prpplague |
| 04:34:14 | TomW | One thing about ham radio, hams can always find something to talk about when starting a conversation out for the first time with another ham: we talk equipment. |
| 04:34:21 | prpplague | GPSFan: later |
| 04:34:54 | GPSFan | TomW: equipment, propagation, DX, etc. |
| 04:35:22 | TomW | GPSFan: ... the geezer that fell asleep on 75 mtrs with his VOX on. |
| 04:35:49 | TomW | GPSFan: snoring away while his buddies tried to wake him up. |
| 04:36:05 | GPSFan | lol' |
| 04:36:35 | GPSFan | someone had to drive over and shake him, no doubt. |
| 04:36:38 | TomW | I don't know if that is the wavelength or the median age of the people on that band. |
| 04:36:51 | GPSFan | same... |
| 04:37:23 | jacques | heh |
| 04:37:25 | TomW | that & 20 meters are the worst bands I have operated on, I now stay away from them. |
| 04:38:18 | GPSFan | 14.303 |
| 04:38:20 | TomW | I hear that we will be getting 200KHz on 5 MHz sometime soon. That should be interesting. |
| 04:39:00 | TomW | 14.303, whats that? is that like 3.913? |
| 04:39:06 | GPSFan | yea, I haven't been to active lately, what modes are thay talking about? |
| 04:39:20 | TomW | all mode. |
| 04:39:36 | GPSFan | 14.303 was QRN city. |
| 04:39:41 | TomW | probably gonna be like the WARC bands. |
| 04:39:55 | jacques | i want to control my pcr-1000 from a tuxscreen |
| 04:39:59 | TomW | sectioned up like 17 mtrs. |
| 04:40:12 | GPSFan | should have some interesting propagation, WWV gets out to all kinds of places. |
| 04:40:17 | TomW | jacques: I want to have a remote control lawn mower! |
| 04:40:33 | jacques | :-) |
| 04:41:09 | GPSFan | gotta go, time for Zzzzzzz. night all... |
| 04:41:15 | TomW | yeah, later. |
| 04:41:58 | TomW | jacques: it's getting late here too, I'm gonna play with the hard drive for a bit, then hit the sack. later. |
| 04:42:04 | jacques | later TomW |
| 04:49:22 | pmisfit | splined: man, you get around... ;-) |
| 04:53:05 | pmisfit | jacques: get a chance to play with the oom stuff? |
| 04:53:07 | splined | yeah |
| 04:53:20 | splined | bootloadering the ipaq. |
| 04:54:16 | splined | yesh. I know. |
| 04:55:03 | kergoth | does busybox start-stop-daemon support -p/--pidfile? |
| 04:58:20 | jacques | whoah |
| 04:58:27 | jacques | i just felt my first earthquake |
| 04:58:29 | splined | wiggle wiggle wiggle |
| 04:58:42 | splined | here in sonoma too. |
| 04:59:27 | pmisfit | jacques: well at least there's no tornadoes... |
| 04:59:44 | kergoth | techqua9 |
| 04:59:49 | kergoth | wrong window |
| 04:59:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:59:51 | splined | indeed. |
| 05:00:29 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:00:45 | splined | http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ |
| 05:01:08 | splined | data not in yet. |
| 05:01:15 | jacques | yeah i was already there |
| 05:01:27 | jacques | i wanna know where and magnitude |
| 05:01:43 | bmidgley | jacques: where are you? |
| 05:02:19 | jacques | bmidgley: sunnyvale - south bay |
| 05:02:34 | jacques | maybe it's that white square - the one that means ? |
| 05:02:43 | pmisfit | kergoth: no 'h' in parse_options in latest busybox cvs start_stop_daemon |
| 05:03:10 | pmisfit | kergoth: ehrm, 'p' either... |
| 05:03:14 | jacques | ? 2002/05/13 22:00:29 36.969N 121.602W 5.7 5 km ( 3 mi) SW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:03:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:03:15 | kergoth | k |
| 05:03:20 | kergoth | maybe i'll add that then |
| 05:03:25 | jacques | the '?' is the magnitude |
| 05:03:26 | splined | yes, it is what the white square is. |
| 05:03:42 | splined | Mag not yet known. |
| 05:03:52 | splined | How well did it shake in SF? |
| 05:03:57 | jacques | been here well over a year and had not felt one |
| 05:04:05 | jacques | that one was unmistakable |
| 05:04:40 | pmisfit | pretty mellow here in SSF. we're on rock tho... and house built in the '40s |
| 05:05:06 | splined | It is interesting that I would feel it way up here from there. |
| 05:05:25 | pmisfit | i.e. all the dishes piled up in the sink stayed in their precarious house-of-cards formation... none dropped |
| 05:05:36 | splined | mag 6 |
| 05:05:40 | jacques | whoah! |
| 05:05:43 | splined | a little bigger. |
| 05:05:46 | jacques | the square just got really big |
| 05:05:57 | jacques | (relatively) |
| 05:06:05 | splined | No. 5? |
| 05:06:34 | splined | server is really slow with the math. |
| 05:06:47 | jacques | yeah looks like 5 |
| 05:06:49 | splined | Turning on the Ham rigs. |
| 05:08:10 | jacques | :-( |
| 05:08:15 | jacques | i wish my radio was charged |
| 05:08:18 | jacques | or I had batts |
| 05:08:22 | jacques | dang it |
| 05:11:00 | jacques | ppl are saying 5.2 |
| 05:11:42 | splined | Yeah, thats what I got also. |
| 05:12:00 | splined | The server is clobbered though. |
| 05:12:13 | jacques | yep |
| 05:13:48 | jacques | my work monitor is doimng this really annoying varying brightness thing |
| 05:14:13 | jacques | 1.7 2002/05/13 22:14:55 36.966N 121.595W 6.0 5 km ( 3 mi) SSW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:14:13 | jacques | 1.4 2002/05/13 22:06:29 36.964N 121.592W 5.5 5 km ( 3 mi) SSW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:14:13 | jacques | 2.5 2002/05/13 22:05:35 36.972N 121.612W 7.7 5 km ( 3 mi) SW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:14:13 | jacques | 1.7 2002/05/13 22:04:49 36.965N 121.606W 5.2 6 km ( 4 mi) SW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:14:14 | jacques | 5.2 2002/05/13 22:00:29 36.967N 121.600W 7.6 5 km ( 3 mi) SW of Gilroy, CA |
| 05:14:16 | jacques | aftershocks |
| 05:17:38 | jacques | well, that was creepy |
| 05:17:49 | jacques | it's strange when the very ground is moving like that |
| 05:19:45 | splined | Yeah. That can be. We had one up here last year that was kinda big. Knocked over some walls in Napa. That was crazy feeling. |
| 05:20:11 | jacques | first i thouhgt it was a train going by |
| 05:20:17 | jacques | then i realized i did not hear a train |
| 05:20:20 | jacques | and te walls were shaking |
| 05:20:34 | jacques | and then it intensified |
| 05:22:18 | jacques | well I'm heading home - I'll be on from there |
| 05:27:25 | pmisfit | well, looks like girlie slept thru her first earthquake. definitely her father's daughter. |
| 05:27:47 | pmisfit | splined: did the girls wake up? |
| 05:41:02 | fontenot | speaking of children, has anyone seen andersee? |
| 05:41:06 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 9 hours, 52 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: oh. [Sat May 11 20:48:10 2002] |
| 05:41:06 | fontenot | ibot: seen andersee |
| 05:41:14 | splined | they were awake. |
| 05:41:21 | fontenot | he said something about his wife about to have a kid |
| 05:41:34 | splined | Sorry, I was cheking into the net. |
| 05:55:34 | TomW | BZFlag: you around? |
| 06:26:28 | BZFlag | TomW: for a sec, sure. |
| 06:27:11 | TomW | I imported into cvs when I shouldn't have, I was importing my stuff into, what I thought was my cvs. |
| 06:27:30 | TomW | I am checking to see what files I have changed. |
| 06:27:43 | BZFlag | separate module? or a commit? |
| 06:27:50 | TomW | total commit |
| 06:27:57 | BZFlag | ahh... bummer. |
| 06:28:16 | TomW | yes, I am trying to use the history command to see what I had changed. |
| 06:28:38 | BZFlag | back in a few... |
| 07:18:12 | pmisfit | is away: zzzzzzzz.... |
| 07:55:42 | bmidgley | web site down? |
| 08:18:02 | bmidgley | does everyone see colormap probs in the 0.6 tinyx? |
| 08:18:10 | bmidgley | echo... echo... |
| 08:32:02 | mallum | bmidgley: what sort of colormap problems ? |
| 08:32:08 | mallum | bmidgley: app specific > |
| 08:32:09 | mallum | ? |
| 08:40:14 | Harlekin | is the screen 8 colors or 8 bit? |
| 08:40:18 | Harlekin | 8 bit, right? |
| 08:40:21 | Russ | yes |
| 08:40:24 | Harlekin | good |
| 08:40:25 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 14:20:13 | prpplague | morning |
| 14:27:28 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:33:29 | areana | operators around? |
| 14:34:23 | lyakh_ | abend:-) |
| 14:40:35 | bmidgley | anyone have tinyx working right (colors)? |
| 15:30:51 | pmisfit | is back (gone 08:12:39) |
| 15:31:01 | mallum | bmidgley: whats up with the colors ? |
| 15:31:50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | gcc -s -Wl,-warn-common -o busybox ar.o gunzip.o gzip.o init.o tar.o true_false. |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | o busybox.o usage.o applets.o libbb.a |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: BFD 2.12.90.0.1 20020307 Debian/GNU Linux internal error, aborting |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | at ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c line 2040 in elf_i386_relocate_section |
| 15:31:57 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: Please report this bug. |
| 15:31:59 | | that is the point you dumb idiot |
| 15:31:59 | kergoth | wtf is that? |
| 15:33:38 | pmisfit | bmidgley: colors go wacky on tinyx if you execute startx from the console |
| 15:34:08 | pmisfit | but all is well if you execute it from inittab or from a serial console or telnet session. |
| 16:07:41 | bmidgley | pmisfit: i'll try inittab |
| 16:31:51 | bmidgley | my tux now locks up starting x so i guess i have to reflash the root |
| 16:32:38 | bmidgley | what's a safe way to have x start up automatically? |
| 16:33:52 | bmidgley | hmm maybe serial login will work |
| 17:00:16 | lyakh_ | BZFlag: hello, I sent you a couple of email - I'd like to purchase one tuxscreen (ship to Germany - details in email) - how shall I proceed? |
| 17:05:33 | lyakh_ | BZFlag: Ok, going home now, could you please reply to my email? (to gvlyakh@mail.ru) |
| 17:13:56 | BZFlagSurgery | lyakh_: something not on the web site you want to know? |
| 17:16:54 | bmidgley | argh. colors are better now but xawtv still doesn't work |
| 17:22:20 | bmidgley | anyone know what the surgery is/was? |
| 17:31:00 | prpplague | bmidgley: on #blob BZFlag said he had a cyst removed on his wrist |
| 18:08:02 | bmidgley | i got x startup working and wrote it up in the tinyx topic |
| 18:21:02 | bmidgley | argh. telnet localhost works on tux, but telnet from outside gets connection refused... |
| 18:34:30 | kergoth`lunch | anyone here have a SMC, Buffalo, or Zcom prism2.5 cf wlan card? I'd like to see a cardctl ident from them |
| 18:34:43 | kergoth | er wrong chan |
| 18:34:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:43:34 | bmidgley | how do you calibrate the touchscreen? it looks like the values are hardcoded in X. |
| 18:44:04 | kergoth | its not hardcoded |
| 18:44:08 | kergoth | theres a calibration daemon iirc |
| 18:44:13 | kergoth | though I've never actually used X on my Z |
| 18:44:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48:18 | kergoth | same should apply there |
| 18:48:19 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 19:08:28 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:12:11 | | hello, prpplague |
| 19:12:11 | prpplague | as_: howdy |
| 19:12:21 | prpplague | as_: hows life in the UK today? |
| 19:12:41 | as_ | Weather is quite good. |
| 19:13:14 | prpplague | as_: how about you do me favor and drink a nice pint of something for me? its hard to get good ale in texas |
| 19:13:32 | as_ | Ha!, its hard to get good stuff here. |
| 19:13:57 | as_ | The only decent stuff in this country is imported from belgium. |
| 19:16:53 | prpplague | as_: lol |
| 19:17:18 | prpplague | as_: you don't like boddingtons? |
| 19:17:43 | as_ | Nope. |
| 19:18:42 | as_ | I drank guinesess for a while, but I got completely wasted on it once and I havnt been able to drink it since. |
| 19:19:54 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:24:08 | bmidgley | kergoth: do you know the name of the daemon? |
| 19:24:44 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:26:14 | bmidgley | Derek Mulcahy wrote one. i'll ask him. |
| 19:28:54 | bmidgley | modprobe always segfaults but at least insmod works (grumble) |
| 21:17:57 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 1 hours, 29 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: oh. [Sat May 11 20:48:10 2002] |
| 21:17:57 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 23:11:09 | TomW | good morining all. |
| 23:13:10 | TomW | that is weird, I try to connect to another channel and it closes the first one (X-Chat). |
| 23:22:13 | Maximax | hi |
| 23:22:32 | Maximax | Tim is here ? |
| 23:24:56 | Russ|werk | doesn't appear to be |
| 23:25:28 | Maximax | When does he come here ? |
| 23:27:22 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 16 hours, 58 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: back in a few... [Tue May 14 07:28:38 2002] |
| 23:27:22 | Russ|werk | ibot: seen bzflag |
| 23:27:27 | | I haven't seen 'bzflag_surgery', Russ|werk |
| 23:27:27 | Russ|werk | ibot: seen bzflag_surgery |