| 02:13:55 | Lenolium | does ulibc run on the SH3? (I got a Jornada 548 and don't really want to run wince) |
| 02:17:26 | | fontenot: no idea |
| 02:17:26 | fontenot | ibot: uclibc? |
| 02:17:46 | | OK, fontenot. |
| 02:17:46 | fontenot | ibot: uclibc is at uclibc.org |
| 02:22:00 | Lenolium | fontenot: Uhm... I can't find ulibc.org |
| 02:22:46 | Lenolium | Whois Server Version 1.3 -- No match for "ULIBC.ORG". |
| 03:21:58 | Lenolium | Hrm... this hp jornada may be pretty useless. (anyone who has used WinCE will know what I'm talking about) |
| 03:26:55 | pmisfit | is back (gone 04:55:24) |
| 03:27:22 | pmisfit | Lenolium: i believe their is SH support in uclibc. not sure about SH3 specifically |
| 03:27:29 | pmisfit | s/their/there/ |
| 03:27:48 | pmisfit | http://www.uclibc.org |
| 03:28:23 | Lenolium | pmisfit: Can you run a whois on ulibc.org and see what it returns? |
| 03:28:27 | pmisfit | off topic, but, hey, if i can help anyone get winbloze wiped off their system forever, i'm glad to do so. |
| 03:28:47 | pmisfit | Lenolium: s/ulibc/uclibc/g |
| 03:28:59 | pmisfit | Lenolium: (check your spelling) |
| 03:29:00 | Lenolium | pmisfit: Ahh, thanks! |
| 03:29:19 | Lenolium | always forgets the first c |
| 03:30:03 | pmisfit | no sweat. |
| 03:31:05 | pmisfit | http://linuxsh.sourceforge.net |
| 03:31:23 | Lenolium | pmisfit: I got the jornada, thinking it was a strongarm based PDA, now I find out it's a SH3, I'm not quite so into working with it. :) I was hoping to be able to leverage my small but existing knowledge from the tuxscreen. |
| 03:32:04 | pmisfit | bummer. yeah, the SH seems to be the up-and-coming embedded/PDA processor of choice |
| 03:32:44 | Lenolium | Hrm... bizarre. I'll have to read up on it to see what it supports, and why it is preferred over the StrongArm |
| 03:32:47 | pmisfit | i've heard grumbling in this channel that digital/compaq merger caused the strongarm to start losing designs... |
| 03:33:05 | pmisfit | one more: http://www.sh-linux.org |
| 03:34:26 | pmisfit | i'd be curious how it compares. i have all these links, but as soon as i discovered tuxscreen i abandoned all other microprocessors and focussed on learning the SA1100 |
| 03:47:38 | pmisfit | is away: hiding behind the curtains again |
| 03:48:11 | Lenolium | pmisfit: Yeah, the strongarm looks to be a really cool embedded processor. |
| 05:28:11 | bmidgley | anyone awake? |
| 06:12:17 | TomW | finally! |
| 07:58:44 | TomW | hee! hee! WHOOO! I have a 10 Gig hard drive on my Tux! |
| 07:58:50 | TomW | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 07:59:17 | TomW | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 07:59:18 | TomW | /dev/mtdblock2 3.0M 1.3M 1.7M 43% / |
| 07:59:18 | TomW | /dev/hda11 4.7G 1.0G 3.4G 23% /opt |
| 07:59:36 | TomW | whew! |
| 08:00:30 | BZFlag | on the par connector? |
| 08:01:11 | TomW | On J602. |
| 08:02:00 | TomW | The Seagate 341 Meg drive, that I was testing with, didn't work. But, when I put on the more modern IBM 10 |
| 08:02:07 | TomW | Gig drive, it came up! |
| 08:02:17 | TomW | I can copy files to it! |
| 08:02:25 | TomW | heeehee! |
| 08:03:12 | TomW | BZFlag: lot of fscking work, but it was worth it! |
| 08:09:23 | TomW | I just copied a 228Meg file that was on the drive to a new name, it didn't blow up the Tux. Now to xfer those files over to my workstation and run a diff. |
| 08:39:48 | TomW | BZFlag: this is so cool! |
| 08:55:39 | BZFlag | sweet! |
| 08:56:28 | TomW | I don't know ARM assembly language all that well, so the transfer rate of the drive is not optimal. |
| 08:57:35 | TomW | ... but it also has been a long time since I ran anything with 100 BogoMips. |
| 08:59:05 | TomW | BZFlag: so much for tinyx consuming so much Flash space, eh? |
| 09:00:20 | TomW | There are about 10 places listed on pricewatch.com for the DJSA-210 drive, most prices are in the $60..$80 range. |
| 09:05:55 | TomW | BZFlag: time to sleep! |
| 13:24:12 | prpplague | howdy howdy\ |
| 13:24:43 | prpplague | everyone having a really crappy monday? |
| 13:28:03 | signal11 | i lost my keys over the weekend |
| 13:28:08 | signal11 | that's no fun |
| 13:32:01 | prpplague | doh |
| 13:33:08 | prpplague | thats not too bad, i've got 3/4 of barbados down right now |
| 13:39:53 | signal11 | ack |
| 13:40:51 | prpplague | wahoo, back up |
| 13:41:04 | prpplague | fault port on cisco layer 3 switch |
| 15:55:21 | bmidgley | i take it pcmcia is broken in release 0.6? |
| 16:43:28 | fontenot | i have heard that |
| 16:49:21 | bmidgley | i tried two different net cards no luck |
| 16:49:30 | bmidgley | but i did also change around my network wiring |
| 18:07:53 | Raymond_ | Hi |
| 18:10:30 | Raymond_ | Anybody here? |
| 18:11:14 | prpplague | Raymond_: its a little dead today |
| 18:11:38 | Raymond_ | Looks like it. |
| 18:11:46 | Raymond_ | Maybe you can help me? |
| 18:11:50 | Raymond_ | If you want ofcourse |
| 18:12:02 | prpplague | Raymond_: don't know that i can, but i'll try |
| 18:12:21 | Raymond_ | I'm trying to build an image,but i can't download the kernel patch from russ,dhs.org |
| 18:12:30 | Raymond_ | Do you have it? |
| 18:12:40 | prpplague | Raymond_: sorry no |
| 18:12:48 | prpplague | Raymond_: i'm on an older build |
| 18:13:04 | Raymond_ | I was too, but I tought let's try a new one |
| 18:13:34 | Raymond_ | Maybe tommorrow then |
| 18:13:35 | prpplague | Raymond_: Russ is in and out right now |
| 18:13:58 | prpplague | i think he'll still moving |
| 18:14:04 | Raymond_ | It's server isn't responding |
| 18:14:44 | Raymond_ | Ah, I'll try it some other time |
| 18:15:20 | prpplague | Raymond_: ya looks like his server is down |
| 18:15:35 | Raymond_ | can ping it tough |
| 18:15:40 | Raymond_ | but http doesn't work |
| 18:16:05 | Raymond_ | :( |
| 18:16:28 | Raymond_ | Haven't played with it lately, so I tought let's try it again |
| 18:16:34 | Raymond_ | But no go today. |
| 18:16:48 | Raymond_ | But upgraded the blob tough |
| 18:32:35 | Raymond_ | bye |
| 18:46:35 | mtdaly | does the tuxscreen come w/ a keyboard |
| 18:54:19 | fontenot | yes |
| 18:54:29 | fontenot | look at tuxscreen.net |
| 19:07:02 | file | PRPPLAGUE! |
| 19:08:35 | mtdaly | do you have to pay extra to get caller id? |
| 19:09:14 | file | it's $2.95 on my cellphone, and $7 on my landline |
| 19:09:18 | file | outrageous! |
| 19:10:00 | mtdaly | do you have graphical response on your tuxscreen? |
| 19:10:12 | file | I don't have a tuxscreen |
| 19:10:26 | mtdaly | why are you on this chan then? |
| 19:10:40 | file | does one need a Tuxscreen to learn about it, the problems that occur, eh? |
| 19:10:48 | file | etc etc |
| 19:26:25 | | fontenot was last seen on #tuxscreen 31 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: look at tuxscreen.net [Mon May 13 19:54:29 2002] |
| 19:26:25 | TomW | ibot seen fontenot |
| 19:26:41 | jacques | fontenot is a dork |
| 19:26:43 | TomW | jacques: good morning! |
| 19:26:47 | jacques | hi TomW :-) |
| 19:27:00 | TomW | hey! I have a 10Gig drive on my Tux now. |
| 19:27:14 | jacques | TomW: that is incredibly cool! |
| 19:27:19 | file | did you get it working? |
| 19:27:22 | TomW | YES! |
| 19:27:38 | jacques | i cant believe how fast you did that |
| 19:27:39 | file | you rewrote the ide driver? |
| 19:27:45 | file | amazing |
| 19:27:56 | TomW | http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/DriveLocation.jpg |
| 19:28:20 | jacques | it looks like it was made to go there |
| 19:28:35 | file | wow |
| 19:29:10 | TomW | file: yes, but the IDE drive code is well suited for mods. Look at linux/include/asm/arch/ide.h, it only needed about 20 lines of code there, plus there were about 20 lines of code needed in linux/drivers/ide/ide.c |
| 19:29:30 | file | good |
| 19:30:01 | TomW | It just takes a "few" hours to figure out what they were doing when they re-organized the driver. There is little information about it. |
| 19:30:08 | file | uh huh |
| 19:30:28 | file | TomW: Congratulations! |
| 19:30:42 | bmidgley | TomW: how is the drive connected? is that your own board then? |
| 19:30:59 | TomW | / # df -h |
| 19:30:59 | TomW | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:30:59 | TomW | /dev/mtdblock2 3.0M 1.3M 1.7M 43% / |
| 19:30:59 | TomW | /dev/hda11 4.7G 27.1M 4.4G 1% /opt |
| 19:31:21 | file | can you move an entire Linux system onto it and boot off of it? |
| 19:31:21 | TomW | I don't have an fdisk / mke2fs working.. |
| 19:31:29 | file | uh huh |
| 19:31:30 | TomW | heh, yes! |
| 19:31:53 | file | one step closer to making the Tuxscreen a really usable device |
| 19:32:08 | TomW | bmidgley: yes, it is two 8 bit latches + a CPLD on my own board. |
| 19:32:38 | jacques | TomW: swap? |
| 19:33:03 | mallum | TomW: congrats , that really is very cool |
| 19:33:18 | TomW | heh, why not. swapspace would be possible I guess. |
| 19:34:19 | TomW | I couldn't get the Seagate ST9385 drive to work, it was abt 4 AM this morning and I figured I'd throw the more modern IBM DJSA-210 drive on for kicks. It came up! |
| 19:34:22 | file | go TomW go! |
| 19:34:39 | prpplague | TomW: hey, got a sec |
| 19:34:47 | jacques | wow, swap plus 64MB ram == real machine |
| 19:35:39 | prpplague | TomW: you got any experience with the sed133x lcd controlers? |
| 19:35:50 | TomW | jacques: swap + 64Mem == a real answering machine! I have a few things I don't like about my current telephone + answering machine setup. Now, if I can only get the source to the software in my Grand Am... |
| 19:40:01 | bmidgley | 'llo? |
| 19:41:24 | jacques | where did everyonw go? |
| 19:41:28 | file | netsplit |
| 19:41:40 | jacques | gah |
| 19:42:04 | file | haha |
| 19:47:31 | Russ|werk | arggghhh |
| 19:47:38 | Russ|werk | cox is filtering port 80 again |
| 19:47:44 | Russ|werk | I'll ned to move russ.dhs.org |
| 19:47:58 | Russ|werk | they really added quite a bit |
| 19:48:23 | Russ|werk | telnet, http, sunrpc, nntp, netbios-sn, netbios-ssn, subseven, icmp-echo |
| 19:52:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: that bites |
| 19:52:15 | prpplague | TomW: you alive? |
| 20:00:23 | TomW | prpplague: yes, talking with a friend on the land-line. |
| 20:00:37 | prpplague | TomW: ohh sorry |
| 20:00:59 | prpplague | TomW: hey you had any experience with the sed133x or hd44780 lcd controlers? |
| 20:08:11 | TomW | prpplague: no, I have not had any experience with the LCD controller chips. I have only use integreted controllers. |
| 20:09:56 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
| 20:12:20 | prpplague | TomW: think that this would fairly easy to get running on an ARM - http://www.evotron.com/lcd002.htm |
| 20:12:55 | Tangent | looks around |
| 20:13:09 | Tangent | runs away |
| 20:16:15 | prpplague | thats was cute |
| 20:44:13 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:45:23 | TomW | prpplague: ok, got the electronics + drive back inside the Tux, the IDE drive is still working.. heh |
| 20:46:12 | TomW | prpplague: my "monster" Tux: 64Meg DRAM + 10Gig IDE drive. Whew! A lot of work! |
| 20:46:46 | as_ | Cool, is the drive working under linux then? |
| 20:46:58 | prpplague | TomW: the drive is working? too cool |
| 20:47:06 | as_ | Though j602? |
| 20:47:12 | as_ | Err, through. |
| 20:48:11 | TomW | as_: yes: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/DriveLocation.jpg |
| 20:48:38 | TomW | as_: / # df -h |
| 20:48:38 | TomW | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 20:48:38 | TomW | /dev/mtdblock2 3.0M 1.3M 1.7M 43% / |
| 20:48:38 | TomW | /dev/hda11 4.7G 27.1M 4.4G 1% /opt |
| 20:48:55 | as_ | Excellent, have you benchmarked it yet? :] |
| 20:49:09 | prpplague | TomW: nice |
| 20:49:34 | TomW | TomW: no, I don't know how to do that, and, I have to optimize the insw & outsw routines that I wrote. |
| 20:49:52 | TomW | ... as soon as I learn ARM asm. |
| 20:50:13 | GPSFan | TomW: nice work, did you say that you had a schematic of it you wan to put up on the wiki? |
| 20:50:46 | TomW | GPSFan: yes, I need to document some cuts & jumpers. |
| 20:50:59 | as_ | ARM asm is nice, Ive not coded for the StrongArm before though or Id offer to help. |
| 20:51:16 | GPSFan | TomW: ok, you use Eagle doht you? |
| 20:51:45 | TomW | as_: what is "ldrh" is that "load register HALF", IOW load a 16 bit value into the destination reg? |
| 20:51:52 | TomW | GPSFan: yes. |
| 20:52:37 | as_ | ARM have changed the dialect a lot since my day. There were no 16bit ops on the ARM3. |
| 20:53:15 | as_ | Just byte ops and word (32bit) ops. |
| 20:53:29 | TomW | as_: ok, looks like I'll have to look up EricM and see what he suggests. I would like a better language reference than the crappy dod that arm.com has. |
| 20:53:55 | TomW | GPSFan: yes, I use EagleCAD. |
| 20:54:16 | as_ | I will probably start using lecacy tools until I catch up. |
| 20:54:47 | as_ | Calling MOV ops MSR just becuase they access r15, stupid stupid stupid. |
| 20:55:13 | GPSFan | TomW: I have version 4.08, I'd be happy to help you get a .pdf of it. |
| 20:55:38 | TomW | GPSFan: tom@openhardware.net |
| 20:56:34 | as_ | I have the RISCOS PRM's, but all the asm is old and pre thumb. |
| 20:56:39 | TomW | I can almost read their assembly language. What is neat is the ability to combine operations into a single instruction. |
| 20:57:24 | as_ | Yeah, compaired to x86, you get an operation, a move and a shift/rotate in one op. |
| 20:58:17 | TomW | heh, little mind boggling to read that stuff: orrs r2, r2, r3, lsl #16 |
| 20:58:29 | as_ | Oh and I forgot. |
| 20:58:43 | as_ | A conditional expression as well :] |
| 20:59:49 | TomW | sheezh! |
| 21:00:02 | as_ | The 's' just means the result affects the flags. |
| 21:00:44 | TomW | Well, I got to go and get ready to teach a linux class tonite. GPSFan, I will catch up with you later for some more photos, if you don't mind? |
| 21:02:45 | as_ | He must have gone to sleep. |
| 21:03:03 | TomW | I wonder if we have enough people interested to have a small run of PCB's produced. The board I am now using is one from APCircuits, we really need a board with silk & soldermask. If enough peole are intereseted, I could put some kits together? |
| 21:03:04 | as_ | nm, I'll talk to you later too, if your back early enough. |
| 21:03:27 | as_ | I am interested. |
| 21:04:08 | as_ | Need to make it easier to interface to the tux. |
| 21:04:18 | TomW | yeah, this is not something that you want to wire up using point-to-point, that 2MM connector is small! |
| 21:06:09 | TomW | I have been thinking of extending the board somewhat and adding the ShanIP 2 + a 3.3v + 5v power supply to it. This way we can eliminate the second power supply. |
| 21:06:32 | as_ | Who designed ShanIP1 btw? |
| 21:06:41 | TomW | Just toss the Tux supply as the +5 is not strong enough to also run the IDE drive. |
| 21:06:50 | as_ | Trying to work out why the hell the opamp is wired like that, very odd. |
| 21:06:56 | TomW | as_: don't know who did that. |
| 21:07:18 | GPSFan | TomW: still here, just writing you an e-mail... |
| 21:07:26 | TomW | BZFlag: IDE drive is still working, it was not a dream last night! |
| 21:08:37 | as_ | Does the tux/IDE pull enough to run an ATX power supply? |
| 21:08:48 | GPSFan | as_: Lucent did the original Shanip, Gork, SpaceCoaster, others & I came up with Shanip2. |
| 21:09:10 | as_ | GPS, any idea why the opamp is wired like that? |
| 21:09:31 | as_ | Its wired like a squarewave convertor unless I have my wires crossed. |
| 21:10:07 | TomW | as_: it is rated at 500ma @ 5volts. The Tux supply is only rated at 600ma. I didn't think that the additional load of the drive would be tolerated by the Tux supply. |
| 21:10:09 | GPSFan | as_ must dig out the schematic, it's been a while... |
| 21:10:37 | as_ | OH, theres also no 12v on the tux supply. |
| 21:10:59 | TomW | GPSFan: is it very easy to make the Tux into an answering machine using the ShanIP mod? |
| 21:11:24 | TomW | as_: that is why I used a notebook drive, they only run a single supply. |
| 21:11:32 | as_ | Ahhhh. |
| 21:11:46 | as_ | It would be thinner too and smaller. |
| 21:12:23 | TomW | as_: also, it fits inside the tux! You need to use a 9MM drive, the 12MM drives are just too thick, you cannot close the case on the Tux with the thicker drive. |
| 21:12:32 | GPSFan | TomW: Gork wrote a VOIP application for it last year, but hasn't finished it. |
| 21:12:45 | as_ | Yeah, I was worried about the drive size. |
| 21:13:12 | as_ | I dont have any thin ones, might have to mount outside the case. |
| 21:13:31 | TomW | They have the DJSM-210 10Gig IBM drive for sale in the $60..$80 range. |
| 21:13:57 | as_ | I'm knee deep in normal size IDE HDs. |
| 21:14:18 | as_ | 3 40's 3 or 4 80's. |
| 21:14:55 | TomW | as_: acutally, you could use a 3.5 or 5 inch IDE drive, you would have to rewire the IDE cable (adapt it). The cable is a 44pin to the notebook drive. |
| 21:15:21 | TomW | as_: Also, you could add two hard drives to the system that way... |
| 21:15:29 | as_ | That shouldnt be too much of a problem. |
| 21:15:32 | GPSFan | as_: the LM386 isn't really an op amp, it is an audio amplifier, with several gain settings. The schematic symbol from National just shows it like an op amp. |
| 21:15:33 | TomW | IDE0 & IDE1 |
| 21:15:48 | TomW | sorry: IDE0 hda & hdb |
| 21:15:51 | as_ | GPS, Ahhhhh. I see. |
| 21:16:05 | TomW | later |
| 21:19:49 | GPSFan | as_: but in Shanip it has way too much gain. and it's output is connected in parallel with U500D leading to much distortion. |
| 21:21:46 | as_ | I see. |
| 21:22:00 | as_ | That also explains the resistive divider in front of it. |
| 21:22:43 | as_ | ITs an attempt to reduce the gain. |
| 21:24:27 | GPSFan | as_: yep, what we did is to sum the signal into the existing U500D amp, so no need for the output drive of the LM386. |
| 21:31:19 | as_ | That makes sense, I'm not looking at the schematics now, trying to sort some things. That explains my confusion. |
| 22:07:55 | Morn | is away: cooking dinner |
| 22:26:17 | prpplague | anyone know where to find the schematics for intel brutus board? |
| 22:30:59 | Russ|werk | might be in here somewhere http://developer.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/schems/index.htm |
| 22:31:41 | prpplague | Russ|werk: ya i've dug around there but didn't find anything |
| 22:32:25 | prpplague | Russ|werk: looks intel has pulled all reference to sa-1100 |
| 22:32:30 | Russ|werk | http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Pico_Radio/Test_Bed/Applications/Intercom/details/hardware/sa1100sch.html |
| 22:33:40 | prpplague | hmm, the thing you find when you google - http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/brutus/brutus4.html |
| 22:33:56 | prpplague | Russ|werk: wow, too cool, thanks |
| 22:34:00 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 22:34:57 | Russ|werk | I googled brutus schematics |
| 22:37:16 | prpplague | i did too, but i didn't get that one |
| 22:38:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: no, i did "brutus schematic" with no s |
| 22:38:15 | prpplague | Russ|werk: the "s" gets a whole different set |
| 22:43:08 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i guess i'm going to have to bribe you to stop making me look like an idiot,lol |
| 23:05:09 | Morn | is back (gone 00:57:13) |
