| 01:32:44 | | fontenot was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 2 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: hmm reinserted and it's working now [Sun May 12 00:29:51 2002] |
| 01:32:44 | TomW | ibot seen fontenot |
| 01:32:51 | TomW | fontenot: still around? |
| 01:36:14 | fontenot | hi TomW |
| 01:46:55 | bmidgley_ | love that kernel-inside-filesystem |
| 01:47:28 | bmidgley_ | much easier to upgrade |
| 01:50:26 | fontenot | bmidgley_: i take it you had no problem with the new blob then |
| 01:55:04 | | bonjour, TomW |
| 01:55:04 | TomW | fontenot: hello |
| 01:55:34 | TomW | fontenot: have you been working with the jffs2 kernel? |
| 01:57:24 | fontenot | TomW: not yet |
| 01:57:42 | fontenot | TomW: I am concerned by reports of ppl still bricking with new blob |
| 01:58:10 | TomW | hmm, I have tried twice now with that thing. I still cannot get the #@$!#@ PCMCIA working. |
| 02:05:17 | fontenot | TomW: arg |
| 02:05:31 | fontenot | TomW: is it working for others? |
| 02:06:00 | fontenot | im listening to the police in san jose dealing with what they think is a live hand grenade |
| 02:08:43 | TomW | fontenot: don't know, I think that someone on the mailing list posted something about a few hours of work and got something on the PCMCIA working. I am not too hopefull. As soon as the kernel reaches for the init, it crash dumps some apps. It does reach the login though. |
| 02:10:38 | TomW | fontenot: have you any faster way to update the kernel than going through blob? |
| 02:10:40 | bmidgley_ | fontenot: yeah, it's working great (old blob uses uuencode, new uses xmodem) |
| 02:10:45 | fontenot | TomW: not good - so latest buildroot is basically not very usable |
| 02:11:02 | TomW | fontenot: not usable by me anyhow. |
| 02:11:03 | bmidgley_ | anyone got a camera connected? i have a cpia/usb that works great on linux/ppc |
| 02:11:36 | fontenot | TomW: well with pcmcia broken.... you would have to zmodem the new kernel over |
| 02:12:57 | TomW | fontenot: You did something with BZFlag (IIRC) to pull the ramdisk off the ethernet and put it into Flash via the mtd block device? |
| 02:18:01 | fontenot | TomW: well on the ipaq when the kernel was in its own partition, you could just cat the kernel to the proper mtd device |
| 02:20:01 | TomW | fontenot: partition? Don't we have that on the Tux as well? |
| 02:27:42 | TomW | fontenot: AH! I see now, when you copy code into the /dev/mtd1 device, the flash memory goes bye-bye (during erase). You don't mean it's own partition in the sense of location in flash, but you need either another flash chip / dual plane flash to keep the filesytem online. |
| 02:30:20 | fontenot | TomW: I meant partition on flash... at least on the ipaq it worked that way |
| 02:30:37 | fontenot | now you're confusing me :-) |
| 02:31:35 | TomW | fontenot: In the run-of-the-mill flash, when you place it into erase mode to erase a sector, they entire device becomes unreadable, until the erase cycle completes. |
| 02:32:55 | fontenot | TomW: hmmm |
| 02:54:24 | spd_racer911 | working on the endless quest to run dillo or any web browser on the Tuxscreen... |
| 03:04:19 | bmidgley_ | spd_racer911: which limit do you hit first, ram or flash? |
| 03:05:23 | spd_racer911 | bmidley: actually I still trying to get gtk to build...almost there but not yet...that's what I am doing right now...there are some notes at http://innominate.org/kurth/ipaq/cross/ |
| 03:06:01 | spd_racer911 | bmidgley_: I will upgrade my ram if necessary and use NFS to store the libs and binaries |
| 03:06:44 | spd_racer911 | bmidgley_: I also have a 48M compact flash card for the storage part |
| 03:09:26 | bmidgley_ | spd_racer911: you must be working on compiling & satisfying libraries then |
| 03:11:33 | spd_racer911 | bmidgley_: yes, the problem it seems with a lot of libraries is that they expect the libraries to installed on the local machine, of course this is not very good for cross platform development. The whole "make install" philosophy has to change |
| 03:21:53 | Russ|werk | fontenot: on the blob bricking |
| 03:21:59 | Russ|werk | fontenot: only flash one thing at a time |
| 03:27:35 | fontenot | Russ|werk: please elaborate |
| 03:27:43 | fontenot | i wanna make sure I understand |
| 03:28:21 | Russ|werk | ok, if you flash two partitions without reseting, the bug occurs |
| 03:28:44 | Russ|werk | now that I'm done with college, I'll be able to look into it |
| 03:30:24 | fontenot | Russ|werk: two partitions, such as blob itself and the filesystem? (we are talking about the blob for kernel-on-jffs2, right?) |
| 03:30:38 | Russ|werk | right |
| 03:30:51 | Russ|werk | or like ramdisk and paramater block |
| 03:31:23 | fontenot | Russ|werk: when / how does parameter blobk get flashed? |
| 03:32:43 | Russ|werk | when you type flash param |
| 03:32:51 | Russ|werk | or kernel and ramdisk |
| 03:32:53 | Russ|werk | any combination |
| 03:33:14 | fontenot | Russ|werk: the mart I am missing is why would I type flash param? I have never had to do that yet |
| 03:34:14 | Russ|werk | probably because you've never used it |
| 03:36:01 | fontenot | Russ|werk: what's the procedure you recommend to upgrade to new blob and flash the new buildroot filesystem with kernel in it? do I have to do explicit erases and when? |
| 03:40:32 | Russ|werk | flash blob |
| 03:40:34 | Russ|werk | reset |
| 03:40:44 | Russ|werk | then flash the fs |
| 03:41:01 | Russ|werk | or wait till I get a chance to pour through the flash code |
| 03:42:12 | fontenot | Russ|werk: ok, thanks. I can wait for a while. |
| 03:46:10 | psiox | anyone awake? :/ |
| 03:48:49 | spd_racer911 | Russ is awake! |
| 03:49:50 | Russ|werk | so I am |
| 03:50:26 | psiox | :D! |
| 03:50:54 | psiox | I just got a tuxscreen in today, and I'm having some problems using getting a remote terminal open on it, using the linux infero tools :/ |
| 03:51:21 | spd_racer911 | anyone know where I can get the 32M dimm...I mean a place that actually has them in stock ? |
| 03:51:25 | psiox | i'm positive permissions and such are set right on my serial port, but hrm |
| 03:51:47 | psiox | Any particular order I'm supposed to run rdp in and reset the tuxscreen? |
| 03:55:09 | Russ|werk | is it segfauting? |
| 03:55:40 | psiox | No, not segfaulting, just hanging on <sending reset> |
| 03:55:53 | psiox | rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=57600) |
| 03:55:53 | psiox | <sending reset> |
| 03:55:56 | psiox | to paste output |
| 03:56:29 | Russ|werk | geez, its been so long |
| 03:56:41 | prpplague | anyone here use quicktime plugin for mozilla? |
| 03:56:53 | psiox | you had no difficulties? |
| 03:57:58 | prpplague | psiox: no, i just can't find a plugin for mozilla |
| 03:58:24 | psiox | heh, i've never ever gotten quicktime working under linux :) |
| 03:58:37 | psiox | but i never put much effort into it. no real use for quicktime |
| 03:59:08 | psiox | Hrm, should I run rdp before resetting the tuxscreen and hitting esc,ctrl-a or after? :/ |
| 04:01:06 | prpplague | psiox: me either, but my wife wants to view some pages that have it |
| 04:11:19 | psiox | hrm |
| 04:11:28 | psiox | Should I unlock the flash before I try to do remote inferno? |
| 04:11:58 | prpplague | psiox: IMHO, i'd try getting a remote session first to make sure you have good communication |
| 04:12:43 | psiox | Sigh :/ Can't get it to work at all |
| 04:12:48 | prpplague | psiox: if you don't and you do the unlock first and hose something, you won't know if it came that way or you did it yourself |
| 04:12:55 | psiox | true |
| 04:13:33 | psiox | Did you have any difficulty getting a remote session? |
| 04:15:29 | prpplague | psiox: lol, just dead batteries on my irc keyboard, could figure out why i could get a console untill i tested the batteries |
| 04:15:39 | prpplague | s/could/could not |
| 04:16:16 | psiox | heh heh heh |
| 04:17:33 | psiox | weird weird |
| 04:17:52 | psiox | Was your tuxscreen on when you did the initial rdp-ing? |
| 04:19:24 | prpplague | psiox: sorry i don't recall, thats been 6-9 months ago |
| 04:19:29 | psiox | word :) |
| 04:19:34 | psiox | I'm such a newbie. |
| 04:19:49 | prpplague | psiox: as i recall the doc on wiki was very accurate |
| 04:21:20 | psiox | hrrrrrrm |
| 04:21:35 | psiox | I'm doing something basic wrong, then :) |
| 04:34:31 | psiox | Well |
| 04:34:45 | psiox | Thanks for all the help :) I'll continue working on it tomorrow. 'Night |
| 04:57:40 | Russ|werk | anyone know how to tell if a flash chip is dead? |
| 04:57:47 | Russ|werk | all it ever returns is 0xffff |
| 05:03:54 | prpplague | Russ|werk: new one on me |
| 05:03:59 | Russ|werk | arghh...A16/A17 is shorted |
| 05:04:10 | Russ|werk | but that wouldn't explain why one flash chip works, and the other one doesn't |
| 05:04:26 | prpplague | Russ|werk: if you find out, i'd like to know for documentation purposes |
| 05:04:46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: working on your new boards? |
| 05:07:00 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 05:07:08 | Russ|werk | the other one works great |
| 05:07:13 | Russ|werk | there are 23 more though |
| 05:09:11 | Russ|werk | I can write to the first chip, but not the second one |
| 05:09:42 | Russ|werk | on jedec probes, both chips just return data like it was a standard read, the commands are doing nothing (probably because the a16/a17) |
| 05:09:52 | Russ|werk | maybe they are just reacting differently |
| 05:10:56 | Russ|werk | finally away |
| 07:30:23 | bmidgley | anyone left? |
| 14:46:42 | fontenot | yawn |
| 19:16:40 | TomW | Russ: good afternoon. |
| 19:22:54 | Russ | afternoon |
| 19:33:07 | | que tal, fontenot |
| 19:33:07 | fontenot | hi |
| 19:33:33 | fontenot | nada mucho ibot |
| 19:34:14 | scanline | is away: insanity is upon us |
| 19:41:10 | TomW | ever get that sickening feeling when you realize that the 'make dirclean' just blew away several hours of work and you have no backups? |
| 19:41:29 | file | poor you... |
| 19:42:07 | TomW | yeah, well, maybe it *is* time I started a project on my cvs for this ide stuff.. |
| 19:43:42 | TomW | ah well, look on the bright side: I will get more practice writing a kernel device driver.. |
| 20:39:34 | lyakh | Hi, as somebody suggested yesterday - tried mtdram to mount tuxscreen root filesystem - worked, thanks. |
| 22:27:56 | pmisfit | is back (gone 100:39:54) |
| 22:28:00 | pmisfit | TomW: that sucks. |
| 22:28:39 | TomW | eeeh-yup. It sure does, but shit happens.. |
| 22:28:40 | pmisfit | TomW: this has saved my ass more than once: http://www.246gt.com:8030/bc/howtocvs.html |
| 22:29:04 | TomW | heh, I have a cvs on the other machine, but.. |
| 22:29:20 | pmisfit | argh, that's even more frustrating. |
| 22:30:01 | pmisfit | had the condoms sitting right there the nightstand, just didn't use 'em, eh? ;-) |
| 22:30:18 | TomW | I have been having some trouble with the local network ethernet card in that machine, so I haven't relied on it that much. Maybe should stop working for a while and do some maintenance. |
| 22:30:27 | TomW | heh |
| 22:31:02 | pmisfit | good idea. losing data is nature's way of saying "*ahem*, you have sysadmin work to do..." |
| 22:31:16 | TomW | well, I am off to see some people. later. |
| 22:31:20 | pmisfit | my condolences anyway, cheers. |
| 22:31:31 | pmisfit | is away: again into the shadows |
| 23:25:16 | as_ | Evnin all. |