| 00:00:03 | pik_ | It did boot after I put it on, but I must have flashed the ramdisk wrong, or failed to erase the param, kernel, and ramdisk sections first |
| 00:00:11 | pik_ | Cause now, nothing. |
| 00:00:32 | jacques | pik_: did you ever get any response about why it happened? |
| 00:00:48 | pik_ | I've been trying to figure that out, but responses seem to be in short supply these days. |
| 00:01:11 | pik_ | If I can get a jtag working, then I may do a little experimentation. |
| 00:01:47 | jacques | yeah it's been really quiet here lately |
| 00:02:00 | jacques | normally at least 4 ppl woul have talked to you about the bricking |
| 00:02:22 | pik_ | I was here last night, and a few people did talk to me about that. |
| 00:02:31 | pik_ | But no one seemed to know much about the new blob. |
| 00:03:06 | jacques | i have a feeling only bzflag knows :-\ |
| 00:04:35 | pik_ | In any case, if you haven't got a jtag, I don't recommend that blob. There's not much explanation of how to use it, and it works differently from the old ones. |
| 00:06:52 | pik_ | I've got to go meet the g/f for dinner. later-- |
| 00:06:57 | jacques | later |
| 00:07:33 | jacques | unfortunately, AFAIK that blob is required for use with the latest buildroot |
| 03:04:55 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 03:06:19 | prpplague | hmm kinda dead this evening |
| 03:06:55 | as_ | Just a tad. |
| 03:07:32 | prpplague | well, i'm seriously considering disecting my dev yopy |
| 03:07:46 | | well, yopy is a linux based handheld with a clamshell design, keyboard, and no backlight for 400$. it can be found at http://www.yopydeveloper.org/english/index.htm |
| 03:07:46 | as_ | yopy? |
| 03:08:02 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 03:10:50 | prpplague | as_: i got one of the development versions back around 18 months ago |
| 03:11:02 | as_ | Hmm, this says the basic spec is backlit. |
| 03:11:52 | as_ | Low rez, tiny screen. |
| 03:13:47 | prpplague | as_: ya the yopy3000 is totaly different |
| 03:14:05 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 03:15:00 | as_ | Hmm. If I have a blue LED. How do I work out the number of photons its emitting. Mmmmm. |
| 03:15:17 | prpplague | as_: i have a real problem with korean companies that develop with linux |
| 03:15:31 | prpplague | as_: hmm that is an interesting question |
| 03:16:00 | prpplague | as_: could that not be measured in "candles" ? |
| 03:16:18 | as_ | I need the number of photons. :/ |
| 03:16:44 | as_ | Ive just bought a small number of used photomultipliers. I want to see how well they work in case I want to buy a load more. |
| 03:16:45 | prpplague | as_: ya but if you measure the candles isn't there a formula to convert to photons? |
| 03:17:05 | prpplague | as_: interesting |
| 03:17:24 | as_ | Probably not an easy one. Most units are designed to be human friendly. |
| 03:17:51 | as_ | eg, how bright does this look, to a human with the folowing eye response curve.... |
| 03:19:01 | as_ | I need to load a blue LED, so I get pulses, of say 1000 photons. |
| 03:19:30 | prpplague | as_: so what are you going to do with this stuff? |
| 03:19:53 | as_ | One of my projects. Actually, my original project. |
| 03:20:02 | as_ | Gamma spectrometer. |
| 03:20:47 | as_ | I figured a gamma spectrum would look very cool on a tux screen, so those projects will be interwoven. |
| 03:23:11 | prpplague | as_: wow |
| 03:23:17 | prpplague | as_: nice hack |
| 03:23:55 | as_ | Not very clever, the tux wont have to do very much if I do it properly. |
| 07:18:11 | TomW | YAWN! |
| 07:18:22 | TomW | good morning all. |
| 07:25:31 | Dark-Work | hi TomW I'm about to leave for a linux install party ;) |
| 07:25:45 | Dark-Work | IS your HD work ? :) |
| 07:26:02 | TomW | yes, I am reading data from it now. |
| 07:26:09 | Dark-Work | Wow :) |
| 07:26:22 | Dark-Work | next step writing :) |
| 07:26:36 | TomW | I was jest organizingn my thoughts before I tackle the ide.c driver code. |
| 07:27:05 | Dark-Work | I put your information on a belgium site |
| 07:27:07 | Dark-Work | ;) |
| 07:27:20 | TomW | np. |
| 07:27:32 | TomW | So, where is the linux install party at? |
| 07:27:41 | Dark-Work | In Belgium :) |
| 07:27:56 | TomW | university, department store, what? |
| 07:28:07 | Dark-Work | a bar ;) |
| 07:28:12 | TomW | heh! |
| 07:28:22 | Dark-Work | We love beers in Belgium |
| 07:28:23 | Dark-Work | ehehehehee |
| 07:28:24 | Dark-Work | :) |
| 07:28:51 | TomW | So, you take a bunch of computer students, get them drunk, and have them attempt to install linux for the first time? |
| 07:29:04 | Dark-Work | http://ReseauCitoyen.be/index.php?TuxScreenNiouz |
| 07:29:21 | Dark-Work | yes |
| 07:29:27 | Dark-Work | we help people to intall linux |
| 07:29:32 | Dark-Work | I'm not a guru |
| 07:29:38 | Dark-Work | I use it as a worstation |
| 07:29:44 | Dark-Work | and I'm very happy with it :) |
| 07:30:02 | Dark-Work | I'm not a coder (even I'm sad that I'm not...) |
| 07:30:21 | TomW | I'm not a guru either, I just like playing with the stuff (computers). |
| 07:30:40 | Dark-Work | have you seen ? |
| 07:30:49 | Dark-Work | I've copied the irc log ;) |
| 07:31:50 | TomW | yes. I was just getting my first spot of tea. |
| 07:32:43 | TomW | beautiful outside tonite. 52F here, nice nite. |
| 07:32:58 | Dark-Work | Women outside also ? |
| 07:32:58 | Dark-Work | :) |
| 07:33:11 | Dark-Work | Perfect nite if yes |
| 07:33:12 | Dark-Work | :) |
| 07:33:17 | TomW | heh, I wish. I live outside of town. |
| 07:33:25 | Dark-Work | I've to leave. |
| 07:33:30 | Dark-Work | See you soon |
| 07:33:32 | TomW | have fun. |
| 07:33:37 | Dark-Work | I'm stressed |
| 07:33:42 | Dark-Work | I've ordered a tux :) |
| 07:33:54 | Dark-Work | I hope that ur stock won't be empty |
| 07:33:55 | Dark-Work | ;) |
| 07:33:56 | TomW | Order two,they are cheap. |
| 07:34:06 | TomW | besides, you might break one.. |
| 07:34:17 | Dark-Work | hummmm |
| 07:34:22 | Dark-Work | I will thunk about |
| 07:34:25 | Dark-Work | think :) |
| 07:34:32 | Dark-Work | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:24:19 | dc_ | hum. |
| 09:25:03 | TomW | ho-hum or just hum? |
| 09:27:45 | dc_ | hum |
| 09:27:52 | dc_ | I need some money. |
| 09:28:05 | dc_ | wonder if I could snatch an lcd off'a tim ;) |
| 09:28:21 | TomW | hmm, I got the same problem, money. |
| 09:28:41 | dc_ | I guess most students have. |
| 09:28:44 | TomW | what did you do, break one? |
| 09:28:48 | dc_ | one's that develop |
| 09:28:51 | dc_ | TomW: no. |
| 09:28:56 | dc_ | TomW: I want one to hook upto my iPAQ |
| 09:29:05 | TomW | ok, interesting. |
| 09:29:10 | dc_ | TomW: do you think that whould be possible? |
| 09:29:21 | dc_ | thinking of making some sort of webpad |
| 09:29:57 | dc_ | thinking how slim you could make it with an iPAQ's insides and once of the tuxscreen lcd's |
| 09:30:02 | TomW | IPAQ is strongARM, right? |
| 09:30:14 | dc_ | makes me laugh at all the other webpads they make that are like 3" thick |
| 09:30:16 | dc_ | TomW: yep |
| 09:30:38 | TomW | ok, if you have the signals coming out to a connector, it should be possible. |
| 09:30:44 | dc_ | :) |
| 09:31:16 | dc_ | TomW: I'm pretty sure there's a cable that you can just unplug, and probly plug in another ldc. |
| 09:31:18 | dc_ | lcd. |
| 09:31:27 | TomW | this is what is running on my workbench right now, it has the LCD hooked to it: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/StrongARM-perf.html |
| 09:31:29 | dc_ | TomW: you're held an iPAQ right? |
| 09:31:36 | TomW | nope |
| 09:31:42 | dc_ | ah. |
| 09:32:00 | TomW | are you an EE student? |
| 09:32:33 | dc_ | well, they're only about 1.5cm thickest. |
| 09:32:54 | dc_ | TomW: no, still GCSE (uk tests before collage) |
| 09:33:04 | dc_ | TomW: I'm only 14 ;p |
| 09:34:00 | TomW | ok, all you would have to do is feed the necessary signals to the display. |
| 09:34:20 | dc_ | but think, of you got the iPAQ, and a nice slim casing you could put the battery on one side, the board on the other, and maby even build in a CF socket, and it's still be only 1cm thick :) |
| 09:34:44 | dc_ | TomW: whould you think it'd be remotly the same lcd desplay? |
| 09:34:48 | TomW | Then you probably would have to reprogram the code of the IPAQ to have the lcd controller emit the necessary waveform timings. |
| 09:35:12 | dc_ | TomW: for the bigger resolution... |
| 09:35:38 | dc_ | TomW: it whould be a challange, but maby with the help of jamey we could get it working :/ |
| 09:35:42 | TomW | it would not be a "bolt-on" type of upgrade. The lcd that the IPAQ uses probably has different waveforms to drive the lcd circuitry. |
| 09:35:51 | dc_ | ah |
| 09:36:07 | TomW | Is the IPAQ now running linux? |
| 09:36:12 | dc_ | TomW: well, if I can merge in the tuxscreen lcd kernel drivers... :) |
| 09:38:42 | TomW | Your main problem will be a battery to power the unit. |
| 09:38:52 | dc_ | ah... |
| 09:38:57 | dc_ | almost forget. |
| 09:39:00 | dc_ | forgot |
| 09:39:04 | TomW | that is why the others are so thick. |
| 09:39:23 | dc_ | TomW: well...hum, what if I took an extra from a pcmcia sleve ;)? |
| 09:39:34 | dc_ | so it had 2 iPAQ batterys. |
| 09:39:48 | TomW | you have to power the backlight of the lcd.. |
| 09:40:01 | dc_ | yes |
| 09:40:14 | TomW | that is where a lot of the power will be going to. |
| 09:40:24 | dc_ | yeah. |
| 09:41:12 | TomW | the drive electronics of the lcd will consume a bit more than that of the ipaq unit, but the backlight is what will kill your batteries. IIR, the ipaq uses a reflective lcd. |
| 09:41:38 | TomW | reflective displays don't need a backlight to be viewed, lower power consumption. |
| 09:42:32 | TomW | IBM (and others) have been working on a new type of display. You've heard about the new "organic" displays, right? |
| 09:44:31 | TomW | once they get that technology into production, then we will the ultra slim portable units! They dont need a backlight, nor do they have to be thick, they claim the display can be as thin as a sheet of plastic. |
| 09:44:58 | TomW | s/plastic/plastic film/ |
| 09:45:50 | TomW | dc_: well, time for me to get back to work. I have the Tux reading from the IDE drive, now to try writing to it. |
| 09:48:40 | dc_ | cool. |
| 09:48:41 | dc_ | thanks |
| 15:32:08 | TomW | ok, I can read and write to the IDE drive sectors... |
| 15:32:48 | TomW | andersee: still got those IDE notebood drives in the closet? |
| 19:42:51 | lyakh | Hello all. I am new here. So, did I get it right, that there isn't really a Linux-distro ported to TuxScreen? |
| 19:45:48 | lyakh | Hm, wouldn't be very easy to get one on 4MB flash, any possibility for an upgrade? |
| 19:47:04 | lyakh | Although there are 1-diskette distros out there... |
| 19:47:57 | andersee | TomW: yup |
| 19:48:10 | andersee | oh. |
| 19:48:14 | Harlekin | lyakh: what do you want more than linux running on it |
| 19:49:27 | lyakh | a shell prompt... that is - binutils, fsutils, modutils... glibc... |
| 19:51:06 | Harlekin | so what is missing |
| 19:51:37 | lyakh | Don't know - is it all already running on TuxScreen? |
| 19:54:45 | lyakh | I am thinking about getting one, but from the tuxscreen web-page after a short look I wasn't able to figure it out... |
| 19:55:51 | lyakh | Whether there's already what I need or only a few applications |
| 20:04:16 | | fontenot was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: 2.4.3 ? [Fri May 10 17:28:03 2002] |
| 20:04:16 | TomW | ibot seen fontenot |
| 20:11:58 | jeff_ | Hi TomW.. |
| 20:12:17 | | hey, TomW |
| 20:12:17 | TomW | hello |
| 20:12:26 | | bonjour, TomW |
| 20:12:26 | TomW | hello ibot |
| 20:12:31 | TomW | heh |
| 20:14:55 | TomW | anyone know how to update the kernel via /dev/mtdblock? |
| 20:15:47 | jeff_ | no idea ;) |
| 20:16:28 | lyakh | Ok, after a better look at the site - there's a shell prompt on TuxScreen - GOOD!:-) How difficult is cross-compiling stuff for it? (with a standardarm-linux-...) |
| 20:16:28 | TomW | I know that jacques and BZFlag were talking about updating the ramdisk image that way. |
| 20:17:27 | TomW | lyakh: what did you have in mind. just building code to run on the ARM in user space? |
| 20:17:59 | lyakh | Both - kernel/kernel modules, user-space apps |
| 20:18:21 | jeff_ | my tux replace with linux is hang on "emu" problem ;< |
| 20:19:57 | TomW | ?? I am currently building linux kernel modules as well as user space code today. Why would you think that this is not possible to do? |
| 20:20:59 | jeff_ | TomW: u know that TimRiker's emu only use in Redhat 6.0 , kernel2.2.x ??? |
| 20:21:07 | lyakh | I just want to make sure I will be able to use it for development before paying (even not so huge) money:-) |
| 20:22:39 | TomW | lyakh: rest assured, we have all the tools working, we have tinyx working on it (99% anyway), I am working today at getting a 10G IDE drive interfaced to the Tux. The drive electronics is working, now I am rewriting the IDE driver code. |
| 20:23:15 | TomW | lyakh: this is not under some emulator, this is running on the Tux hardware. |
| 20:23:50 | lyakh | BTW, without X - how much free space is left of those 4MB? Any chance for an upgrade? Great - thanks! |
| 20:25:04 | TomW | I am running 64Meg of DRAM in two of my Tux's, see: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/32MegRamUpgrade |
| 20:25:43 | lyakh | That's good, but I mean flash |
| 20:29:09 | TomW | probably could ugrade the flash. Don't think that anyone has tried that. AMD does have some devices that look like you could use them to take the Flash up to 16Meg. |
| 20:30:17 | lyakh | Ok, and how much is left? |
| 20:31:26 | Vertie | can you make your own plug to connect to an IBM microdrive? |
| 20:31:35 | Vertie | and maybe simulate a flash card |
| 20:32:40 | TomW | left after what? You have forgive me, I am coding right now and not really following this thread too well. You can add a compact flash card in a PCMCIA slot and that would give you up to 320Meg. Is that enough room? |
| 20:34:57 | lyakh | Yeah, sounds good, but, while I am trying to add jffs2 support to my kernel here and mount tux-rootfs, how much is left after bootloader + kernel + rootfs? This all lives on 4MB flash, right? Maybe I am not expressing myself very clearly, sorry |
| 20:37:31 | lyakh | who TomW |
| 20:37:34 | TomW | eeeehh! I tried that new jffs2 kernel and it didn't work too well for me. I went back to the "normal" blob. I get about 1.6Meg still free when just doing a kernel + basic romfs. |
| 20:38:10 | lyakh | oops, always forget '/':-) |
| 20:40:08 | lyakh | Ok, 1.6MB should be enough to start with:-) Thanks! |
| 20:40:32 | lyakh | And - just to confirm - modules support is there by default? |
| 20:42:08 | lyakh | BTW, what do you mean "too well"? We just tried mtd + jffs2 + juxt copying the kernel to the respective partition on flash on our platform - it worked fine... If this is what you mean |
| 20:42:50 | Harlekin | TomW: what about the build in ram |
| 20:43:01 | | i think ram is Random Access Memory (just like a desktop), not to be confused with Flash. RAM goes away on reset (or any time it loses power), flash stays forever. or http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/columns/romvram.asp |
| 20:43:01 | TomW | ram? |
| 20:43:26 | Harlekin | is that an answer? |
| 20:43:28 | TomW | lyakh: yes, I am building kernel modules. they work fine. |
| 20:44:29 | TomW | Harlekin: what do you mean by " the build in ram"? |
| 20:45:36 | TomW | lyakh: I couldn't get the latest cvs image to get the PCMCIA working, so I dumped it and went back to a previous version that I had. |
| 20:46:47 | Harlekin | 16 MB EDO/DRAM -> 8 MB onboard + one 8 MB 72 pin SODIMM |
| 20:46:51 | Harlekin | TomW: that ram |
| 20:47:41 | TomW | Harlekin: right, that is a stock RAM total in a stock Tux. |
| 20:48:06 | Harlekin | TomW: so 8 of that can be used for apps, right? |
| 20:48:14 | lyakh | TomW:? Sorry, what's the connection between CVS-PCMCIA and JFFS2-kernel?... |
| 20:48:35 | TomW | lyakh: it seems to be broken |
| 20:49:12 | TomW | Harlekin: no, for all intents & purposes, this is a normal machine running linux, not uClinux. |
| 20:49:27 | Harlekin | TomW: so no ramfs |
| 20:49:34 | TomW | Harlekin: correct. |
| 20:49:37 | Harlekin | on at least half of the ram |
| 20:49:37 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 20:50:09 | Harlekin | so only 4 mb for apps |
| 20:50:38 | lyakh | TomW: ah, so, it's not a kernel problem, it's CVS problem:-) Ok. |
| 20:51:18 | TomW | Harlekin: only 4Meg of *compressed* Flash memory for apps to sit in. The jffs filesystem that is used in the Flash is similar to a 'gzip -3' compression. |
| 20:52:06 | Harlekin | TomW: same on ipaq |
| 20:52:27 | TomW | lyakh: don't know, I just have stuff to work on. I spent about an hour on the problem, then decided that I really did not need it as I had a previous version that did work ok. |
| 20:52:30 | Harlekin | TomW: i just wonder why not have the ram is used via ramfs |
| 20:52:50 | TomW | shrugs |
| 20:52:57 | Harlekin | ? |
| 20:53:38 | lyakh | tuxscreen-image.jffs2 - can't mount over loopback?... Am I doing anything wrong? |
| 20:54:02 | TomW | Harlekin: It doesn't matter that much to me, how much flash there is. You can insert a Compact Flash card (via PCMCIA) and have all the room you need. Or, you can do like I am doing, adding a 10Gig IDE drive to the Tux. |
| 20:55:01 | TomW | lyakh: loopback will only mount a "normal" filesystem image. the tuxscreen-image.jffs2 is a compressed image in the jffs format. Loopback doesn't know how to deal with a jffs file image. |
| 20:55:21 | file | neat |
| 20:55:55 | lyakh | Yeah, right, I thought it had to do with compression... Any way to mount that? |
| 20:56:08 | TomW | file: I can read / write sectors on it now. I am puzzling over what I have to do to get the ide.c driver code working. |
| 20:56:23 | Harlekin | TomW: i know |
| 20:56:33 | Harlekin | TomW: but maybe i just want to put opie on it |
| 20:56:39 | Harlekin | TomW: and use it as phone |
| 20:56:48 | Harlekin | TomW: but then 4 mb would not be enough |
| 20:56:51 | TomW | file: they really changed stuff around on the ide driver code since I last saw it in version 2.0 of linux. |
| 20:57:23 | Russ|werk | TomW: its not just that |
| 20:57:30 | file | uh huh |
| 20:57:43 | Russ|werk | TomW: the filesystem is on top of flash, and flash behaves very differently from a block device |
| 20:57:56 | Russ|werk | TomW: you have to mount it in mtdram (a flash emulation) |
| 20:58:01 | lyakh | TomW: IDE - there are some hard-coded PC-hw-addresses... But I presume you already changed them:-) |
| 20:58:45 | TomW | Russ|werk: ?? they are using the ide-disk.c code to run the jffs? |
| 20:59:31 | Russ|werk | who is? |
| 21:00:47 | TomW | Russ|werk: maybe you didn't understand what I was saying. I have a 10Gig notebook drive + my own interface electronics that I have hooked up to the Tux. Right now, I can access the drive through my own electronics & kernel driver code. Now I need to rewrite portions of the "normal" ide driver code to access my hard drive. |
| 21:01:18 | file | TomW: Good luck |
| 21:01:28 | file | thinks about going back to coding... |
| 21:01:33 | TomW | file: been down this road once before.. |
| 21:01:37 | file | or I can work on my presentation which I might do Monday |
| 21:01:45 | file | TomW: and how did it end? |
| 21:01:46 | TomW | file: only on linux-2.0.38 |
| 21:02:02 | Russ|werk | TomW: so what does this have to do with jffs2? |
| 21:02:49 | file | erm |
| 21:03:00 | file | I might make another batch of nacho's |
| 21:03:01 | file | or not |
| 21:03:02 | TomW | Russ|werk: sorry about the confusion. lyakh was attempting to mount the tuxscreen-image.jffs on the loopback interface of his workstation. |
| 21:03:04 | file | bbl |
| 21:03:26 | TomW | Russ|werk: he wanted to know why it failed. |
| 21:03:43 | Russ|werk | and I was saying that it was a lot more than just being compressed |
| 21:03:51 | TomW | Russ|werk: I gest that I was confused... |
| 21:04:00 | TomW | s/gest/guess/ |
| 21:04:23 | TomW | Russ|werk: too many hours staring at code. :-/ |
| 21:06:05 | Harlekin | TomW: so could i do it on my unit? |
| 21:06:13 | TomW | Russ|werk: is it possible to just copy the new kernel image to the /dev/mtdblock? I need a faster way to update the kernel than going through blob. BTW, I am not using the "new" jffs2 kernel, I am using the older blob. |
| 21:06:15 | Harlekin | TomW: use 8 mb of the ram in a ramfs |
| 21:06:21 | Harlekin | TomW: anybody ever tried it |
| 21:07:06 | TomW | Harlekin: I don't see why not.. |
| 21:07:11 | Harlekin | k |
| 21:07:16 | Harlekin | because would be best for me |
| 21:07:16 | lyakh | I tried it - but on another (SA1110) platform - worked. But you have to erase the whole partition every time... for some reason |
| 21:07:25 | Harlekin | once i figured out how to use paypal |
| 21:07:37 | Harlekin | and got arround that 110V problem |
| 21:08:27 | TomW | Harlekin: can't ypu purchase an adaptor, the kind that American tourists would use? |
| 21:08:41 | Harlekin | TomW: how expensive? |
| 21:08:49 | Harlekin | TomW: in germany they are quite expensive |
| 21:09:00 | TomW | Harlekin: don't know, I never needed one. :-) |
| 21:09:10 | Harlekin | TomW: i am thinking about redoing the "netzteil" |
| 21:09:13 | Harlekin | power supply |
| 21:09:30 | Harlekin | get some extra tr("kondensatoren") in there |
| 21:09:32 | TomW | Harlekin: build a new one. |
| 21:09:49 | lyakh | Harlekin: So, I guess, you are in Germany too? Which shipment method did you chose and how much was it? |
| 21:10:49 | Harlekin | not yet |
| 21:10:53 | Harlekin | i still think about it |
| 21:11:11 | Harlekin | i would like tom riker to declare it as "commercial sample" |
| 21:11:21 | Harlekin | then maybe i wont have to pay toll |
| 21:11:32 | Harlekin | and also declare the "worth" as 1 $ |
| 21:11:48 | lyakh | Harlekin: hm, I am filling in paypal at the moment:-).. scary:-) |
| 21:12:22 | Harlekin | i am at that stage too |
| 21:12:32 | Harlekin | lyakh: did you think about the 110 V issue? |
| 21:12:39 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: don't recall. the schematics wiki page should say. [Fri May 10 03:17:51 2002] |
| 21:12:39 | Harlekin | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 21:12:42 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 21:13:02 | lyakh | not yet... But I am working at a hardware / software company...:-) |
| 21:13:31 | Harlekin | which one |
| 21:14:36 | lyakh | DSA |
| 21:14:41 | lyakh | Aachen |
| 21:18:04 | Harlekin | dsa? |
| 21:18:56 | psiox | Anyone awake? :/ |
| 21:19:20 | lyakh | http://www.dsa-ac.de |
| 21:20:10 | Harlekin | lyakh: think you can get chep 220 - 110 V converters |
| 21:20:11 | Harlekin | ? |
| 21:20:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:20:32 | Harlekin | lyakh: are you a "full" paypal member yet? |
| 21:21:08 | lyakh | Not yet... When I saw $1.95 membership fee, I pressed - add later... Will read a bit maybe:-) |
| 21:22:36 | Harlekin | hmm, i need the 4 digit code form the credit card letter |
| 21:22:54 | lyakh | Converters:-) - don't think we have them at all, but I just thought, guys could invent 1 for me:-) Don't think they'll want to open a production though, sorry:-( |
| 21:23:26 | Harlekin | lyakh: just 2 |
| 21:26:21 | lyakh | Harlekin - what do you call "cheap"? As these are going to be produced in low quantities you probably would have to pay A LOT:-) |
| 21:26:35 | Harlekin | lyakh: hmm |
| 21:26:46 | Harlekin | lyakh: "von laster gefallen" was my prizing range |
| 21:28:00 | lyakh | digging out my German-English dictionary:-)) |
| 21:28:25 | Harlekin | lyakh: yeah |
| 21:28:38 | Harlekin | lyakh: it "five finger discount" then |
| 21:28:45 | Harlekin | lyakh: at least thats simular |
| 21:31:10 | lyakh | Harlekin: :-) Ok, I'll ask - but I wouldn't hope too much if I were you, honestly:-) Sure can find a cheaper one |
| 21:31:46 | Harlekin | lyakh: i think i will redo it |
| 21:31:51 | Harlekin | tr("umlöten") |
| 21:33:32 | lyakh | private email: gvlyakh@mail.ru (in case I don't reappear here soon) |
| 21:33:49 | lyakh | Cheers, bailing out now. Thanks again. |
| 21:57:56 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 22:26:25 | | somebody said prpplague was mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 22:26:25 | file | prpplague? |
| 22:27:00 | file | pokes prpplague |
| 22:27:02 | file | waddup? |
| 22:40:03 | prpplague | file: just drinking a fine belgian ale with bar-b-q |
| 22:41:10 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=994' |
| 23:12:24 | bmidgley_ | hey how do i upload to blob again? xmodem 115k? |
| 23:27:04 | fontenot | # cardctl ident |
| 23:27:04 | fontenot | Socket 0: |
| 23:27:04 | fontenot | ,", ".\C<;.ï£..P£"oF .oHüK¼aOcÄ.ñd/.Z..Yss.9. w@.I.'18[ |
| 23:27:08 | fontenot | ????? |
| 23:29:51 | fontenot | hmm reinserted and it's working now |