| 00:11:55 | file | CYBIKO |
| 00:12:23 | as_ | Mmm. Thats a wireless handhel isnt it. |
| 00:12:34 | file | quite right |
| 00:12:40 | file | is writing a new GUI for it, based on messaging |
| 00:13:16 | as_ | If it didnt need a second unit wired to a PC to connect to the internet it would be worth owning ;] |
| 00:13:30 | file | well for $20 each you can't beat the price |
| 00:13:51 | as_ | Mmm, thats not bad at all. |
| 00:14:08 | mallum | $20 ? |
| 00:14:16 | file | for the Classic unit. |
| 00:14:17 | as_ | What happened for the price to go so low? |
| 00:14:36 | file | a new unit was released |
| 00:14:54 | as_ | Ahh. Whats the wireless bandwidth? |
| 00:15:09 | file | 19200bps |
| 00:15:15 | file | uses the 900MHz range |
| 00:15:32 | as_ | Thats not terrible. |
| 00:15:47 | file | I don't think it even implys compression, so you might be able to increase that speed |
| 00:15:48 | prpplague | if it had a little more ram and flash with not so proprietary i/o it be great |
| 00:16:01 | file | prpplague : did the project get scrapped yet? |
| 00:16:10 | prpplague | file: its getting close |
| 00:16:18 | file | prpplague : how long do you expect? |
| 00:16:18 | as_ | What project? |
| 00:16:38 | prpplague | as_: we were looking at a project based on the cybiko unit |
| 00:16:38 | file | as_ : I told prpplague about the Cybiko's and he got in contact with Cybiko to get a device made for the company he works for |
| 00:16:51 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 00:17:01 | file | if the project gets scrapped, I get a few units perhaps |
| 00:17:09 | file | I want to do some hardware hacking |
| 00:17:24 | prpplague | file: ya looks like we are probably going with an arm based unit |
| 00:17:29 | as_ | I like hardware hacking. |
| 00:17:32 | file | prpplague : interesting |
| 00:17:42 | file | as_ : hehe |
| 00:17:52 | as_ | It takes a long time though. |
| 00:17:58 | as_ | What does it have to do prp? |
| 00:18:06 | prpplague | as_: have joined the openhardware mailing list? |
| 00:18:14 | as_ | I havnt. |
| 00:18:20 | file | my current Cybiko is at a friend's house right now, getting air brushed |
| 00:18:21 | prpplague | as_: basically a portable inventory device |
| 00:18:29 | file | needs another coat of red, and then the designs go on it |
| 00:19:09 | prpplague | as_: which doubles as a troubleshooting unit |
| 00:19:13 | file | probably get that done on Friday... |
| 00:19:28 | file | prpplague : have you been able to squeeze any info about CyOS from Cybiko? |
| 00:19:56 | prpplague | file: negative, based on what i got they had no plans to release it |
| 00:20:05 | file | prpplague : damn them! |
| 00:20:32 | as_ | Reverse engineer the data from the OS. |
| 00:20:46 | file | as_ : easier said than done |
| 00:21:05 | prpplague | as_: www.cyberiansoftware.com |
| 00:21:15 | prpplague | as_: thats TomW 's site |
| 00:21:34 | as_ | I know, Ive spent nigh on a year at this STB and we are just starting to learn interesting things. |
| 00:21:38 | as_ | I'll look prp. |
| 00:21:55 | prpplague | as_: what kind of STB? |
| 00:23:16 | as_ | ST20 based, they are common in the UK. |
| 00:23:36 | file | as_ : if prpplague sends me a few Cybiko I'll see if I can send you one, k? |
| 00:23:44 | as_ | If youve ever used a transputer, thats what the ST20 is an embedded version of. Its... not sane. |
| 00:23:46 | file | Cybiko's |
| 00:23:58 | file | I need all the help I can get... |
| 00:24:16 | prpplague | as_: hmmm st20 |
| 00:24:33 | as_ | I have more projects on the go than time by a long way, so I wouldnt do it automatically. |
| 00:24:57 | prpplague | as_: i'm in the same boat |
| 00:25:13 | file | prpplague : remember - make every effort to get the project scrapped quickly :) |
| 00:25:27 | as_ | HAhaha. |
| 00:25:50 | prpplague | doh |
| 00:26:43 | as_ | I'm wondering if I can use this tux in one of my projects. It will depend on how easily I can interface to it. |
| 00:27:44 | prpplague | as_: so far its been pretty easy |
| 00:27:55 | prpplague | as_: what kinda stuff you looking at? |
| 00:28:45 | as_ | One requires about 40MBit of data interfacing. |
| 00:28:48 | file | crys |
| 00:29:13 | as_ | The other I'm not sure about yet there are many ways I could tackle it. |
| 00:30:03 | prpplague | as_: ohh ya is this that sampling application? |
| 00:30:15 | as_ | The former is yes. |
| 00:30:38 | as_ | Ties in with the ST20 STB, I want to lift a decrypted multiplex out of the system. |
| 00:31:52 | prpplague | as_: "The serial communications now extended to Baud rates of 2GBaud are capable of covering both line interface and switch /router applications at a fraction of the previous cost. |
| 00:31:52 | prpplague | " |
| 00:32:17 | as_ | The latter project would look rather more impressive hooked up to a tux. |
| 00:32:19 | prpplague | as_: pretty impressive on the ST20 |
| 00:32:45 | as_ | Hmm, what are you reading that from? |
| 00:33:00 | prpplague | http://www.omimo.be/system/templates/OMIResults_Detail.CFM?Results__ProductID=175&OwnerID=2016&SupplierID=392 |
| 00:34:45 | as_ | That must be a new chip. ST20 itself has no fantastic routing capabilities. |
| 00:35:15 | as_ | The most impessive part about it is the 20Mbit serial link. |
| 00:36:38 | as_ | Its too old too slow and too weird. Other manufacturers are speeding past it. |
| 00:37:30 | as_ | Compairing an ARM and an ST20 youd think they were designed on different planets. |
| 00:39:44 | as_ | Having said that ST20 STBs have the advantage of several methods of hacking, whereas the only competition here cant currently be hacked. |
| 00:40:25 | prpplague | as_: hacked in what way? |
| 00:41:56 | as_ | Dumping/modifying the firmware, built in ICE which can be used to debug the code (though we havnt sorted this totally yet). |
| 00:43:19 | as_ | Being able to run a debugger on a PC in realtime when connected to the box via JTAG will be fanfeckingtastic. |
| 00:44:27 | prpplague | as_: aren't all of those options available with arm? |
| 00:44:37 | as_ | The asm is nasty though, and its running a virtual machine called OpenTV. Designed to be hackproof and much of the working of it is kept secret. |
| 00:44:58 | as_ | We dont have any STB's here that use ARM, or PowerPC CPUs. |
| 00:46:02 | as_ | Its ST20 or the new gen uses a NEC MIPS chip. NEC wont give me the time of day and there is fa documentation I can find. |
| 00:47:38 | prpplague | as_: ohh |
| 00:48:52 | prpplague | andersee: hey have you worked with a trizeps or nanoEngine module? |
| 00:51:27 | Aelhaz | as_: that's interesting, since arm produced so many prototype settop boards |
| 00:51:37 | Aelhaz | acorn did too |
| 00:51:57 | Aelhaz | has an old acorn settop based on a cirrus p7500fe |
| 00:53:18 | prpplague | anyone here used the stamp processor from parallax? |
| 00:53:30 | as_ | The STB market here is dominated by the only sat package from sky. |
| 00:53:59 | as_ | They specify in detail what the box must do. |
| 00:54:13 | jacques | reading scrollback |
| 00:54:45 | as_ | They also write the software for it which is in OpenTV ocode, which has no dissasembler. |
| 00:56:04 | as_ | OpenTV also stamps all over gnu, they base the tools on gnu, and break the rules by not alowing anyone to see the source for example. |
| 00:56:36 | as_ | And the OpenTV SDK CD is £6k. |
| 00:56:44 | as_ | MAkes me mad. |
| 00:57:07 | prpplague | as_: ya that'd make me mad too |
| 00:57:25 | RedBeard | anyone want some realy old MS software? (win 2.0 etc.) |
| 00:57:40 | prpplague | as_: have to hold my companied feet to the fire every once and a while |
| 00:57:51 | prpplague | RedBeard: can't have my win2.0 |
| 00:58:14 | RedBeard | prpplague: I'm trying to give mine away |
| 00:58:17 | as_ | I have a copy of windows version 1 somewhere. |
| 00:58:24 | RedBeard | as_: hehehe |
| 00:58:31 | RedBeard | I'm gonna pitch this in the trash |
| 00:58:46 | prpplague | RedBeard: i miss read |
| 00:59:10 | prpplague | RedBeard: are they on 8" floppies? |
| 01:08:02 | as_ | I had an 8inch floppy system. |
| 01:08:33 | as_ | An ex telecom machine, huge great blue thing. |
| 01:09:00 | as_ | We also have some 3inch disks somewhere, I wonder if I can find a drive that will read them. |
| 01:10:38 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:10:53 | prpplague | as_: i wired a 8" floppy to my ts-1000 |
| 01:11:23 | prpplague | as_: i could store 64k per floppy |
| 01:11:26 | Aelhaz | I've heard that if you don't mind making your own cable, you can hook up an 8" floppy drive to a modern pc |
| 01:11:49 | as_ | Wow, a whole 64k. |
| 01:12:09 | Aelhaz | the 1.2 meg ones, at least |
| 01:12:21 | prpplague | as_: it was basically tar'n the data on there (of cource i didn't know about tar back then) |
| 01:12:52 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya these were 1.2's but the ts-1000 was very small |
| 01:13:16 | prpplague | Aelhaz: compared to storing on audio tapes, this was awesome |
| 01:13:52 | Aelhaz | hehe |
| 01:14:35 | as_ | I cant remeber how much data they stored on my old system. 320k or something similar I think. |
| 01:15:12 | as_ | Nothing important on them. I left the disks in the shed and the heat warped them. |
| 01:15:42 | as_ | The 3inch disks have a lot of old essays on them though. I wonder if theyve been thrown away. |
| 01:16:49 | prpplague | as_: i'm still amazed when using a 128mb cf card, thats more than my first hd |
| 01:17:38 | Aelhaz | how big was your first hd? |
| 01:17:40 | Aelhaz | mine was a 20 |
| 01:17:50 | as_ | My first HD was 40M. |
| 01:18:02 | as_ | I still have it somewhere. |
| 01:21:14 | as_ | My PC has more L1 cache than my first computer had main memory. |
| 01:21:57 | Aelhaz | I forget how much the Ti 99/4a had |
| 01:22:12 | Aelhaz | Not Much at any rate |
| 01:22:26 | as_ | I'm interested where CPUs will go next. |
| 01:22:45 | as_ | The planar process is running out of time. |
| 01:23:03 | prpplague | Aelhaz: st-512 5mb |
| 01:23:41 | prpplague | Aelhaz: my first computers was a rockwell kit, i spent all summer mowing lawn and yard work to order |
| 01:23:46 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 01:24:25 | Aelhaz | my older brothers did the begging and pleading and hard labor for the Ti |
| 01:24:33 | prpplague | Aelhaz: 2k ram, 1x20 bubble led char display and 16 key hex pad, solder together yourself |
| 01:24:38 | Aelhaz | the XT that came some years later was the result of a land deal my dad made |
| 01:25:03 | prpplague | Aelhaz: god i made a ton of money on the XT |
| 01:25:54 | prpplague | Aelhaz: from 1994 through 1998 i bough used system from auctions for around $2-10 each, refurbed them and sold them for around $200 |
| 01:27:48 | Aelhaz | wow, what'd you do to them? |
| 01:28:40 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i striped all the parts tested and them re-built |
| 01:28:54 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i had about 20% failure |
| 01:29:07 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 01:29:14 | prpplague | Aelhaz: so even at worst i was making hugh profits |
| 01:29:43 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i alwasy sold them with dr-dos and shareware stuff |
| 01:30:05 | Aelhaz | for many years that was really doable |
| 01:30:20 | prpplague | Aelhaz: we i started selling 386 and up i sold dr-dos + win3.1, untill............ |
| 01:30:33 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i was approached by the district m$ rep |
| 01:30:37 | Aelhaz | some cancer in a suit told you not to? |
| 01:31:13 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya, i was told if i didn't sell ms-dos + win3.1 packages i would be suied for piracy |
| 01:31:35 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i said for what? i'm not doing anything illegal, to which he said " |
| 01:31:55 | prpplague | Aelhaz: thats ok, we'll keep you in court till you go out of business |
| 01:32:13 | prpplague | Aelhaz: started looking for a buyer for the biz next day |
| 01:32:43 | prpplague | Aelhaz: as a side note, ordered my first dist of slackware same day |
| 01:33:15 | Russ|werk | heh, there was a strange bright light on a bunch of the workbenches that confused me |
| 01:33:21 | Russ|werk | then I realized it was sunlight |
| 01:33:29 | prpplague | doh |
| 01:33:31 | as_ | HAha. |
| 01:34:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: when the locals start waving garlic and cross's at you start getting worried |
| 01:35:04 | prpplague | Aelhaz: problem i have is that i'm in a portion of the country that is technology deprived ( and beer deprived too) |
| 01:35:28 | Aelhaz | prpplague: which region is that? |
| 01:35:32 | prpplague | Aelhaz: everything i 10x harder to learn here because to don't have any peers |
| 01:35:37 | prpplague | Aelhaz: east texas |
| 01:35:37 | Russ|werk | amish? |
| 01:35:46 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 01:35:46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: just about |
| 01:35:49 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 01:36:13 | prpplague | Russ|werk: "don't mess with that puter it's evil i tell ya!" |
| 01:37:01 | Aelhaz | prpplague: people must be even more afraid of the 'puter now that the int'net can let psychotics and pedophiles peer into their homes and send subliminal messages to their young |
| 01:37:25 | Russ|werk | all these daemons running on my system |
| 01:37:36 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya, i think most of them are more worried about virsus and aliens killing their cows |
| 01:37:38 | Aelhaz | yup |
| 01:37:43 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 01:38:25 | Aelhaz | you see the bit on /. wrt the latest NSF report? |
| 01:38:32 | prpplague | Russ|werk: anyone every tell you that your like a mesquito, everytime your about to go to sleep your get to buzzing and then your gone? |
| 01:38:55 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya i read that |
| 01:39:07 | prpplague | Aelhaz: public education for ya |
| 01:39:41 | prpplague | Aelhaz: reminds me of the jokes we played in the army |
| 01:39:44 | Russ|werk | I'm just in a different time zone |
| 01:40:18 | prpplague | Aelhaz: we'd mix a bunch of 5v and 12v bulbs in the same box and give them to the tankers for there displays |
| 01:40:54 | prpplague | Aelhaz: "ok, you have to screw the buld in just right and talk nicely to it or it'll burn out" |
| 01:41:06 | prpplague | s/buld/bulb |
| 01:41:21 | prpplague | Aelhaz: of course the sockets were 5v |
| 01:42:03 | prpplague | is crisis mode! |
| 01:42:07 | prpplague | no more beer |
| 01:42:16 | prpplague | bbiaf |
| 01:42:23 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 01:42:23 | as_ | Cant make head nor tail of this 10G IDE tux mod on Toms site. |
| 01:42:25 | Russ|werk | I don't see an NSF report |
| 01:43:06 | Aelhaz | as_: url? |
| 01:43:22 | as_ | http://www.cyberiansoftware.com/TuxScreen/DriveLocation.jpg |
| 01:43:23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: a sec |
| 01:43:31 | as_ | Not details justa pic of the bits. |
| 01:45:31 | Aelhaz | Russ: was yesterday |
| 01:45:53 | Aelhaz | as_: Yeah, frankly it looks like a little circuit board and harddrive sitting on top of a tux board |
| 01:45:55 | prpplague | as_: basically he's using the j602 connect(which is a parallel interface) with some pics to convert to ide |
| 01:46:11 | Aelhaz | i can see that there's a header attached to j602, but there doesn't seem to be anything attached to it |
| 01:47:14 | as_ | Is j602 the gap in the metal? |
| 01:47:21 | Aelhaz | i think so |
| 01:47:38 | as_ | It doesnt seem soldered into anything. |
| 01:48:00 | Aelhaz | right |
| 01:48:04 | prpplague | Russ|werk: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/01/0052252&mode=thread |
| 01:48:20 | as_ | I'm interested in j602, but I'm worried the data rate might be a tad high. |
| 01:48:37 | as_ | It seems to be just part of the main bus. |
| 01:48:40 | prpplague | as_: TomW hasn't soldered to it yet |
| 01:48:41 | Russ|werk | oh, yea, I hate how most people are morons |
| 01:49:08 | Aelhaz | it'd be nice if there were a board one could plug into j602 so as to add an ide port and whatever else could go on there |
| 01:49:08 | Russ|werk | that john edwards show really pisses me off, it'd be really nice if there was a cool show in that hour slot instead |
| 01:49:13 | prpplague | Russ|werk: hey now, i'm going to have to hurt for talking about my wife that way! lol |
| 01:49:52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: a bonus farscape or babylon5 maybe? |
| 01:50:06 | Russ|werk | there are so many better things |
| 01:50:20 | Russ|werk | twilight zone reruns would be better |
| 01:50:33 | Russ|werk | they had the one with "the state vs the librarian" on last night |
| 01:50:37 | Russ|werk | love that one |
| 01:50:43 | prpplague | Russ|werk: different strokes? facts of life? one day at a time? lol |
| 01:51:12 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i really like the new outer limits |
| 01:57:24 | prpplague | ok here's the deal if you have a choice to buy something from korea, don't, we've had nothing but headaches |
| 01:58:03 | Aelhaz | prpplague: my mp3 player was designed and built in korea, and it's been a bundle of joy |
| 01:58:21 | prp_bbiaf | Aelhaz: sorry i meant more on an oem level |
| 01:58:30 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 01:58:41 | Aelhaz | yeah, I'd be very careful about that |
| 02:01:50 | Aelhaz | http://www.iriveramerica.com/ <-- best cd-mp3 player ever. |
| 02:01:51 | jacques | hey, what's the word on the new blob ? |
| 02:01:59 | jacques | should I stay away? (no jtag) |
| 02:02:12 | RedBeard | jacques: from what I'm seeing on the mailing list, I'd stay away a bit longer |
| 02:03:09 | Aelhaz | mmm, and they've revved the firmware again . . . |
| 02:03:52 | jacques | RedBeard: I wonder if any "normal" person has flashed the latest one bzflag uploaded and gotten the tux to boot |
| 02:04:35 | RedBeard | jacques: I have only heard problems, no success stories yet, except from andersee and bzflag |
| 02:05:09 | Aelhaz | lacking jtag, I'm going to wait a few weeks |
| 02:05:15 | jacques | RedBeard: yeah and I dont count them as normal |
| 02:05:17 | jacques | :-D |
| 02:05:18 | RedBeard | Aelhaz: me too |
| 02:05:24 | RedBeard | jacques: no, I wouldn't either |
| 02:05:33 | jacques | but I *really* want the extra flash space |
| 02:05:42 | Aelhaz | plus by then there might be ts calibration and stuff worked out |
| 02:07:56 | jacques | Aelhaz: well i hope so :-\ |
| 02:09:06 | Aelhaz | jacques: you really should take three or four days off |
| 02:09:19 | Aelhaz | unplug the computers, etc |
| 02:09:35 | Aelhaz | bbl |
| 02:14:39 | pmisfit | augh. nfs server dying for unknown reason, laptop display going blank. |
| 02:14:49 | pmisfit | is having a Bad Hardware Voodoo Day. |
| 03:10:41 | pmisfit_ | there are no words in english to describe how much i dislike pc hardware. |
| 03:11:47 | as2 | Abomination? |
| 03:23:06 | pmisfit_ | as2: lol |
| 03:23:37 | pmisfit_ | travesty |
| 03:24:17 | as2 | If I want a better one Id have to look at a thesaurus. And its too late. |
| 03:24:22 | pmisfit_ | well, found the source of the "melting laptop" problem |
| 03:24:59 | pmisfit_ | dc-dc converter. it's been plugged into the mains too long. |
| 03:25:03 | as2 | What was that? |
| 03:25:06 | as2 | Ahh. |
| 03:30:43 | as2 | Nite all. |
| 03:30:50 | pmisfit_ | as2: sleep well. |
| 03:31:05 | as2 | I wont, its 4:30am allready. |
| 03:31:09 | as2 | HAha ;] |
| 03:42:15 | pmisfit_ | *sigh* still have to figure out bitchx... |
| 04:21:09 | BZFlag | anyone have luck with v0.6 ? |
| 04:41:43 | andersee | Got it and it works. sortof. |
| 04:47:33 | BZFlag | sortof? modprobe? or other issues? |
| 05:19:37 | jacques | i need to know if ppl can boot new 0.6 |
| 05:26:37 | jacques | hi BZFlag and andersee, what's the 0.6 scoop? |
| 05:34:21 | BZFlag | worked for me and andersee. yet to hear from others. |
| 05:34:28 | BZFlag | modprobe has "issues". |
| 05:36:00 | jacques | hmm |
| 05:36:29 | jacques | maybe just revert to 60.2 for now? |
| 05:36:43 | jacques | i can do without the color ls :-D |
| 05:41:26 | BZFlag | perhaps. |
| 05:42:01 | BZFlag | insmod is still ok, so I just added insmod lines to my /linuxrc (and the one in the full .jffs image on SF) |
| 05:42:42 | jacques | BZFlag: what do you think the problem was where someone on the list said they flashed new blob but it hung when trying to boot kernel? |
| 05:43:17 | jacques | and do I understand correctly that blob 2.0.4 cannot flash blobs > 32kB in size? |
| 05:43:29 | BZFlag | no idea. you should "erase ramdisk" before flashing though. that might effect something. |
| 05:43:51 | jacques | and what did you do to 2.0.5 to reduce size from ~ 37kB to < 32kB ? |
| 05:43:56 | BZFlag | looks that way. I've been on 2.0.5pre* so long I can't remember. |
| 05:44:10 | jacques | that's a serious reduction in size |
| 05:44:15 | BZFlag | turned off some debug stuff including md5 checksums. |
| 05:44:39 | jacques | what's md5 checksums in blob? sounds potentially useful |
| 05:44:53 | jacques | shold I flash 2.0.5small and use that to flash 2.0.5big ? |
| 05:45:07 | BZFlag | useful, yes. once you have a 2.0.5 small you can flash the big if you like. |
| 05:45:33 | BZFlag | more will be coming as I get reflash from CF finished. |
| 05:45:44 | BZFlag | s/I/we/ ;-) |
| 05:46:31 | jacques | what's that? sounds mui interesting |
| 05:47:37 | BZFlag | a la zaurus. hold down a key and power up with a CF card that has a "rootfs" on it. and it get's loaded and flashed. |
| 05:48:21 | BZFlag | should be a fat, cramfs, ext2, or jffs2 fs on the CF by the time we are done, though fat is the one I'm after. |
| 05:48:56 | jacques | why fat? |
| 05:49:04 | BZFlag | I'm working on it for Vercel. which has GPIO buttons, so it might be buttonless for the tux. |
| 05:49:13 | jacques | compatibility with wince? |
| 05:49:33 | BZFlag | so windows weenies can do updates. |
| 05:50:02 | jacques | nod |
| 05:50:35 | jacques | theoretically, on the tux, blob can get up to 128kB without us losing any space, right? |
| 05:50:37 | BZFlag | ie: got your embedde linux device and a CF. insert the card into your laptop etc, save this file to it, insert in linux device, poof. and upgrade. |
| 05:50:48 | BZFlag | yes, and on vercel too. |
| 05:51:03 | jacques | my laptop understands jffs2 and reiserfs |
| 05:51:04 | BZFlag | I have rmk code for tftp boot waiting in the queue. |
| 05:51:32 | jacques | how would tftp work? which NICs would it support - NE2000? |
| 05:51:49 | BZFlag | want 1000s of vercel high school kids calling you for install instructions? |
| 05:51:57 | jacques | lol |
| 05:51:59 | BZFlag | neither do I. |
| 05:52:32 | BZFlag | tftp for me will be ne2k card in a pcmcia/cf slot. |
| 05:53:00 | BZFlag | others will then add more net cards for embedded controllers. |
| 05:53:01 | jacques | cool thats what i have |
| 05:53:38 | BZFlag | yep. the driver is simple and the cards are popular so it seems a good place to start. |
| 05:54:30 | BZFlag | the move to kernel-from-jffs2 is me moving towards cf reflash. |
| 05:54:58 | BZFlag | only one flash region to worry about now. (assuming blob does not have to change) |
| 05:55:16 | jacques | cool |
| 05:55:23 | jacques | im glad blob is moving forward again |
| 05:55:23 | BZFlag | and no chance that folks will get the wrong kernel modules. as the kernel and the modules are on the fs. |
| 05:55:33 | BZFlag | me too. ;-) |
| 05:55:44 | BZFlag | I'm itching to do a zaurus version. ;-) |
| 05:55:58 | jacques | what do they use? |
| 05:56:05 | jacques | and where did it come from? |
| 05:56:16 | BZFlag | intel/arm angel monitor and a bunch of other support partitions. |
| 05:56:43 | jacques | hm |
| 05:57:11 | jacques | what's a vercel? |
| 05:57:17 | BZFlag | about 1M of stuff to equal what blob will have in <64k |
| 05:57:34 | jacques | im not surprised at all |
| 05:57:53 | jacques | what a waste of flash a 1MB bootldr is |
| 05:57:54 | BZFlag | vercel is an unreleased PDA platform shipping summer of 2002 see http://www.vercel.com/ |
| 05:59:26 | jacques | not a lot of info there, but lots of MTV-like flash |
| 06:00:47 | jacques | but i guess if you're working on it, they are past the vapor stage |
| 06:01:13 | BZFlag | yep. we've got 7 units. |
| 06:01:23 | jacques | their page crashed galeon :-\ |
| 06:01:40 | BZFlag | sa1110/sa1111 cf/sd/mmc fold out keyboard. |
| 06:01:49 | BZFlag | usb host/client. |
| 06:01:54 | jacques | host nice |
| 06:02:04 | jacques | what else does sa1111 give? |
| 06:02:05 | BZFlag | should be cool. target retail is $350 |
| 06:02:16 | jacques | what's the display like? |
| 06:02:41 | BZFlag | ok. not as bright or as nice as the ipaq. I touch bigger though. |
| 06:02:52 | BZFlag | though it may change before the final ships. |
| 06:03:26 | jacques | not as nice as 3[67]xx or 38xx ? |
| 06:03:40 | BZFlag | sa1111 give ps2 mouse/keyboard audio dma, more complete pcmcia etc. all we are really using is dma and usb host. |
| 06:04:14 | jacques | ah it does not have pcmcia |
| 06:04:14 | BZFlag | not as bright as the 3[678]xx and 12 bit color. |
| 06:04:32 | BZFlag | just 1 cf |
| 06:04:57 | BZFlag | but it's included, not a sleeve. |
| 06:05:27 | jacques | can the CF slot support microdrive? |
| 06:05:48 | BZFlag | yes. I use the 1G in mine. ;-) |
| 06:06:10 | BZFlag | oh, internal soft modem include. |
| 06:06:16 | BZFlag | er included. |
| 06:06:49 | jacques | hmmm, soft? works under linux? |
| 06:07:03 | BZFlag | of course. the vercel will only support linux. |
| 06:07:21 | jacques | cool |
| 06:07:54 | jacques | I am waiting for faster arm procs tho - XScale or ARM11 |
| 06:08:37 | BZFlag | me too. something with a FPU would be nice. ;-) |
| 06:08:52 | BZFlag | gotta run for a few. |
| 06:09:32 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: I am waiting for faster arm procs tho - XScale or ARM11 [Thu May 2 07:07:54 2002] |
| 06:09:32 | TomW | ibot, seen jacques |
| 06:09:38 | TomW | jacques: hey |
| 06:09:43 | jacques | hi TomW |
| 06:09:49 | TomW | what's up? |
| 06:09:55 | jacques | BZFlag: ARM11 has multimedia instructions |
| 06:10:09 | jacques | but that's not an FPU |
| 06:10:46 | jacques | TomW: not much new on my end, I tried that thing from the mailing list - removing last & from startx but it did not make any difference re blus screen |
| 06:11:05 | TomW | jacques: didn't make any diff here either. |
| 06:11:38 | jacques | i tried giving Xfbdev tty args but that also did ont seem tp make any difference - I may have been using it incorrectly though |
| 06:12:03 | BZFlag | back... |
| 06:12:10 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:12:17 | BZFlag | Xfbdev starts on tty5 now which is free. |
| 06:12:29 | BZFlag | I can get it to switch consoles sometimes. |
| 06:12:30 | jacques | BZFlag: does that fix the blue screen? |
| 06:12:41 | jacques | sometimes is right - dunno why that is |
| 06:12:55 | BZFlag | I login as "default" and do "startx&exit" and it comes up normal. |
| 06:13:06 | BZFlag | oh, I chmod +s Xfbdev first. ;-) |
| 06:13:07 | TomW | jacques: I was reading some of the startx stuff here on my mandrake box, there is some attachment to a virtual console. Think of it, you have 6 virtual consoles on a stock distro, but when you invoke X, it starts on virtual #7. |
| 06:13:10 | jacques | BZFlag: wow! how did you fix it?? |
| 06:13:26 | BZFlag | the &exit is important. |
| 06:13:32 | jacques | TomW: yeah... |
| 06:13:33 | jacques | BZFlag: ah |
| 06:13:38 | BZFlag | if I just run startx it is not right. |
| 06:13:55 | TomW | jacques: where did virtual console 7 come from ? eh? Reading the scripts, I see that a new virtual is created then the X is launched inside that virtual console. |
| 06:14:18 | jacques | TomW: i dunno :-\ |
| 06:14:22 | BZFlag | TomW: X will grab the first "free" console. so if you have 6 console gettys then it will start on 7 |
| 06:15:05 | TomW | BZFlag: correct, but X doesn't just "magically" start on that virtual 7, it is put there. |
| 06:15:09 | jacques | BZFlag: if you logged in as default, you might also have to make /dev/null o+w, but I guess the setuid gets around that |
| 06:15:16 | BZFlag | on the tux there are 2 gettys plus a logs on 3 and 4 |
| 06:15:36 | jacques | what's on 3? mine is empty |
| 06:15:48 | BZFlag | TomW: on some distros it is forced to 7. on others 7 is the first "free" console. |
| 06:16:04 | TomW | bbl, I will see if I can find it again, I was pretty tired when I was reading the startx script stuff on Mandrake. |
| 06:16:06 | BZFlag | jacques: proc/kmsg |
| 06:16:13 | jacques | ah |
| 06:19:00 | BZFlag | TomW: locate Xservers |
| 06:19:15 | BZFlag | mine has: :0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 06:19:44 | BZFlag | so even if I don't run 6 gettys (I normally only run 2) I still get X on 7. |
| 06:23:47 | jacques | BZFlag: where is that file? on the tux? |
| 06:23:58 | jacques | BZFlag: and why the nolisten? |
| 06:25:35 | BZFlag | just security. I normally only forward over ssh shich effectively is local anyway. |
| 06:26:23 | jacques | BZFlag: ah |
| 06:26:31 | BZFlag | so even DISPLAY=localhost:0 will not get you to the X server. just DISPLAY=:0 |
| 06:26:44 | jacques | so I guess you don't use -ac either :-D |
| 06:26:59 | BZFlag | heh. not on my laptop, no. ;-) I do on the tux though. |
| 06:27:26 | jacques | BZFlag: ah I thought that *was* on the tux |
| 06:41:00 | BZFlag | ah |
| 06:42:05 | andersee | BZFlag: the S80pcmcia script lacks some insmods |
| 06:44:49 | andersee | BZFlag: or the S15modules script... |
| 06:46:34 | jacques | andersee: why insmod when you can modprobe? |
| 06:54:06 | andersee | jacques: since modprobe is broken and I've not debugged it yet |
| 06:54:26 | andersee | jacques: I did manage to reproduce the problem on x86 though |
| 06:55:07 | jacques | andersee: well what are you waiting for? :-D :-D |
| 06:55:15 | andersee | hehe |
| 06:55:28 | andersee | I think I need to go get a burger at Wendys |
| 06:55:45 | andersee | I thik they stay open till 2 |
| 06:56:16 | jacques | andersee: where are you located? |
| 06:56:22 | jacques | do you have in-n-out burger? |
| 06:56:37 | andersee | dont think so |
| 06:57:00 | jacques | they are good here, open til 1am nd 1:30 on weekends |
| 06:57:36 | andersee | Well, I'm gonna hurry off and grab a bite. |
| 06:57:46 | andersee | is away: back soon |
| 07:14:40 | BZFlag | get me one too. ;-) |
| 07:15:19 | TomW | .. was messing with xinit |
| 07:19:17 | jacques | i already had 2 burgers |
| 07:19:35 | jacques | 2 double-doubles with onions and a chocolate shake |
| 07:19:40 | jacques | and 2 cokes |
| 07:23:34 | TomW | jacques: <burp> |
| 07:31:08 | andersee | is back (gone 00:33:21) |
| 07:31:28 | andersee | jacques: I'm in Salt Lake City |
| 07:31:40 | andersee | jacques: and eating a classic single w/cheese |
| 07:33:08 | jacques | andersee: ah :-) |
| 08:05:57 | jacques | heading home |
| 08:06:22 | jacques_gone | oops not yet |
| 08:06:31 | jacques_gone | forgot something i had to do |
| 08:14:33 | BZFlagZaurus | hmm |
| 08:14:50 | BZFlagZaurus | hacks on his Z |
| 08:16:02 | LoneTech | (: |
| 08:16:11 | LoneTech | maybe I can afford one soon |
| 08:19:11 | LoneTech | Zic? |
| 08:19:21 | BZFlag | zaurus internet chat |
| 08:19:32 | LoneTech | is it small? |
| 08:19:52 | andersee | BZFlag: mind powering up dq for me? |
| 08:20:09 | BZFlag | 160k |
| 08:20:18 | LoneTech | nods |
| 08:20:33 | andersee | BZFlag: I have a mips shared lib loader patch for uClibc that needs some testing |
| 08:20:47 | LoneTech | I'm updating my mozilla/galeon now. Have a bug isolated, must check if it's still there.. want it fixed before 1.0 |
| 08:23:04 | BZFlag | dq was up, just the net was down. I fixed it. |
| 08:23:20 | andersee | k, thx. |
| 08:24:02 | andersee | The patch needed some minor fixes so far (since it needed to shuffle a few things), but I have x86 and powerpc confirmed as working. |
| 08:24:11 | TomW | anybody notice that the passwd facility is broken? |
| 08:24:34 | BZFlagZaurus | did |
| 08:25:01 | TomW | it was working at one time. |
| 08:25:02 | jacques_gone | :-\ |
| 08:26:26 | andersee | TomW: using a uClibc snapshot? |
| 08:26:38 | BZFlag | TomW: it works here at present. |
| 08:26:55 | TomW | yes. |
| 08:27:03 | BZFlag | I think it was broken for me only cause mkfs.jffs2 screwed up and did not make tinylogin +s |
| 08:27:09 | TomW | I will get the "latest' and retry. |
| 08:27:18 | andersee | TomW: I rewrote uClibc's libcrypt last week to make it pass some conformance tests.. |
| 08:27:47 | andersee | TomW: Previous versions would not properly interoperate with other systems |
| 08:28:28 | andersee | TomW: So you may need to re-create the passwords in /etc/passwd |
| 08:28:54 | TomW | thanks andersee. |
| 08:31:16 | TomW | BZFlag: did you see my picture: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/DriveLocation.jpg ? |
| 08:32:12 | andersee | TomW: cool |
| 08:32:24 | TomW | 10Gig, heh. |
| 08:32:35 | andersee | considers the two 3GB laptop hard drives in his closet |
| 08:33:18 | TomW | at least it powered up this afternoon and spun up, so it would suggest I have the pinout done ok. |
| 08:33:53 | TomW | andersee: they have to be 9mm thickness, that is all you can cram inside the tux. |
| 08:34:17 | TomW | I don't know if a 12mm drive would fit, maybe. |
| 08:34:33 | jacques_gone | you can get 9mm up to 30GB these days |
| 08:34:44 | TomW | yeah! |
| 08:35:12 | TomW | I don't expect much in the way of performance, J602 is an 8bit port.. |
| 08:35:29 | jacques_gone | so no DMA huh? :-D |
| 08:35:46 | TomW | considers the source |
| 08:35:55 | jacques_gone | hmm, maybe the pcmcia would be faster then... |
| 08:36:27 | TomW | I would expect so. |
| 08:36:36 | LoneTech | fixed in 1.0rc1 (: |
| 08:36:50 | TomW | but, then, I won't have that cable hanging out of the Tux... |
| 08:37:15 | TomW | I hope it will be faster than compact flash! |
| 08:37:28 | jacques_gone | i guess we'll know soon |
| 08:37:53 | TomW | hope so. |
| 08:45:33 | andersee | BZFlag: just for the record, the version of CVS on dq sucks |
| 08:46:39 | BZFlag | so apt-get upgrade it? |
| 08:47:39 | andersee | checking... |
| 08:48:10 | BZFlag | TomW: rockin' how close to operational is it? |
| 08:49:33 | TomW | BZFlag: I have to wire up the IDC connector to J602. Then I can start writing a device driver to begin confidence testing of the hardware interface, to make sure I can get what I expect from the drive. |
| 08:49:45 | TomW | BZFlag: then, I will rework ide.c |
| 08:51:33 | TomW | andersee: why does uclibc not overwrite stuff in the root dir? I have to do a make clean and that cleans out the tinyx. tinyx takes forever to compile <whine> |
| 08:51:36 | TomW | sobs |
| 08:52:27 | andersee | TomW: ??? |
| 08:52:50 | andersee | TomW: if tinyx rebuils, sounds like a tinyx problem IMHO |
| 08:54:50 | TomW | I will document the situation later, the problem is that I did a make uclibc-dirclean, busybox-dirclean, then 'make'. I think that it may have been busybox that halted the make process complainging about "cannot create link, already exisits", or something like that. So, I have to do a 'make clea' to keep busybox happy. |
| 08:55:24 | andersee | Hmm, odd. |
| 08:55:51 | TomW | like I said, I'll look into it later. I have had this happen before and it is annoying. |
| 08:55:55 | andersee | If you can reproduce it, email me a log of how it errored out |
| 08:56:18 | TomW | heh, 100K log, eh? |
| 08:56:58 | andersee | Well, you can just mail the relevant bits |
| 08:57:44 | TomW | ok, lol |
| 09:07:35 | TomW | andersee: still no joy on the password, I'll look at this tommorrow and get back to you. it is late. |
| 09:24:21 | mallum | hi |
| 09:35:41 | andersee | hey |
| 09:46:42 | mallum | hey andersee, up late ? |
| 09:47:16 | andersee | yup |
| 09:48:27 | mallum | busybox hacking ? |
| 09:48:56 | andersee | uClibc hacking |
| 09:49:02 | andersee | BZFlag: you still up? |
| 10:19:07 | file | hey hey hey |
| 10:25:48 | BZFlag | yeah, but I shouldn't be. |
| 10:26:32 | fontenot | heh |
| 10:27:30 | andersee | BZFlag: k. go to sleep. |
| 10:27:45 | andersee | BZFlag: FYI -- I think I broke dq... |
| 10:27:50 | file | sleep is good |
| 10:29:34 | file | hits BZFlag with a rolled up newspaper |
| 10:29:38 | file | Get to bed young man! |
| 12:12:38 | sjhill | andersee: g'morning |
| 12:15:23 | andersee | morning |
| 12:15:38 | sjhill | looks at latest cvs |
| 12:15:42 | sjhill | sees nothing |
| 12:15:46 | sjhill | *sniff* |
| 12:15:47 | andersee | sjhill: your patch is committed... |
| 12:15:54 | sjhill | hmm |
| 12:16:04 | andersee | pushes things out to the anon CVS server |
| 12:16:10 | sjhill | ahh |
| 12:16:53 | andersee | I had to make some minor changes -- so the mailing list... |
| 12:17:05 | andersee | k, anon cvs is synced |
| 12:24:41 | sjhill | ah, i've been checking out from uClinux...that's my problem...sheesh |
| 12:25:05 | sjhill | also, on your web page for anonymous access, you tell people to type 'anonymous' for the password....you need to change that |
| 12:25:12 | sjhill | i just hit enter |
| 12:26:42 | Harlekin | that think on the right front, is that a speaker? |
| 12:27:11 | sjhill | andersee: i just did a fresh checkout, and my code is not there |
| 12:27:12 | andersee | sjhill: Oops. I thought I'd changed that. |
| 12:28:14 | andersee | sjhill: I had changed that in cvs. Forgot to 'cvs up' the website. |
| 12:29:10 | andersee | Oops. |
| 12:29:31 | andersee | screwed up the commit |
| 12:34:07 | andersee | hates it when cron starts running updatedb |
| 12:36:21 | sjhill | shoots anacron |
| 12:43:57 | sjhill | andersee: which directory should i use 'uClibc' or 'uC-libc' ? |
| 12:44:05 | andersee | where? |
| 12:44:06 | sjhill | errr...module i mean |
| 12:44:12 | sjhill | from uclibc.org |
| 12:44:25 | sjhill | :pserver:anonymous@uclibc.org:/var/cvs |
| 12:44:28 | sjhill | right? |
| 12:44:52 | andersee | There is no uC-libc on uclibc.org... |
| 12:45:22 | andersee | uC-libc is an ancient ancient version that lives on uclinux.org's cvs server.... |
| 12:45:31 | sjhill | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@uclibc.org:/var/cvs co -c |
| 12:45:35 | sjhill | buildroot buildroot |
| 12:45:36 | sjhill | busybox busybox |
| 12:45:36 | sjhill | busybox.stable busybox.stable |
| 12:45:36 | sjhill | modules CVSROOT modules |
| 12:45:36 | sjhill | tinylogin tinylogin |
| 12:45:36 | sjhill | uC-libc uClibc |
| 12:45:38 | sjhill | uClibc uClibc |
| 12:45:40 | sjhill | udhcpd udhcp |
| 12:45:44 | andersee | Ahh, that. |
| 12:46:22 | andersee | Its and alias I put in place, to accomodate folk looking for said ancient version.... |
| 12:46:27 | andersee | use uClibc |
| 12:46:45 | andersee | slays uC-libc |
| 12:46:59 | sjhill | so, the stuff from uclinux.org as far as uclibc and busybox, are they out of date with your stuff? |
| 12:48:03 | sjhill | andersee: sorry to be a pest, but i'm still not seeing my code changes, still working on it? |
| 12:48:15 | andersee | I setup rsync on uclinux.org a long while back, so in theory uclinux is current.... |
| 12:48:23 | andersee | sjhill: yup |
| 12:48:35 | andersee | sjhill: I was committing into a prive tree, like an idiot.... |
| 12:48:44 | andersee | s/prive/private/ |
| 12:49:10 | andersee | So I have to fixup the damage and re-commit to the right tree |
| 12:49:18 | sjhill | ah |
| 12:49:49 | sjhill | decides to grab breakfast and leave andersee alone for a while |
| 12:59:20 | fontenot | breakfast; now there's an idea |
| 13:25:25 | sjhill | ahh....that was good |
| 13:27:13 | andersee | is still cleaning up the mess he made |
| 13:47:43 | sjhill | andersee: finished? it looks like you have everything in |
| 13:48:33 | andersee | Actually, I still need to fix a few things... |
| 13:48:38 | andersee | close though |
| 13:49:00 | sjhill | i'm building with your usage_count changes |
| 13:54:04 | sjhill | cool, that works |
| 14:05:24 | andersee | sjhill: wanna try out the Makefile update I just checked in. I think I took care of your link killing problems. |
| 14:13:58 | sjhill | andersee: 'sec |
| 14:15:49 | sjhill | that worked almost perfectly |
| 14:15:54 | sjhill | ./include/sgidefs.h |
| 14:16:01 | sjhill | is still left, let me have a look at this one |
| 14:16:47 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:16:53 | sjhill | 'ello |
| 14:17:14 | andersee | morning prpplague |
| 14:18:51 | prpplague | andersee: whats cookin this morning? |
| 14:20:33 | sjhill | prpplague: a lot of my changes :) |
| 14:20:53 | andersee | Just comitting some stuff -- twice in several cases... |
| 14:21:00 | sjhill | hehe |
| 14:21:04 | andersee | Once to the wrong CVS tree... |
| 14:21:13 | sjhill | andersee: i'm not laughing at you i'm laughing with you |
| 14:21:29 | andersee | Also fixed ldd and readelf so they handle byteswapping properly |
| 14:21:47 | prpplague | man, sounds like you've been busy |
| 14:21:50 | andersee | A few other sundry things like that |
| 14:22:24 | prpplague | (! is ) looking forward to another fun day of SCO to linux migration |
| 14:22:32 | sjhill | ouch |
| 14:23:24 | prpplague | if i see another KSH script i think i'll barf |
| 14:25:23 | andersee | prpplague: ick |
| 14:33:10 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 15:15:46) |
| 14:33:14 | CosmicPenguin | good morning |
| 14:34:24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning cp |
| 14:34:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: another day of STB fun? |
| 14:38:31 | sjhill | andersee: add this line to the clean target in 'libc/sysdeps/linux/mips/Makefile' |
| 14:38:57 | sjhill | andersee: rm -f $(TOPDIR)/include/sgidefs.h |
| 14:40:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it better not be like yesterday, or I am going to quit to become a farmer |
| 14:44:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i understand all too well |
| 14:47:54 | andersee | sjhill: In the new config system ,thats pushed down into libc/sysdeps/linux/mips/Makefile |
| 14:48:10 | sjhill | ok |
| 14:48:53 | sjhill | alrighteee, i just did a fresh build and install, mips compiles and works right out of cvs |
| 14:49:15 | andersee | sjhill: excellent |
| 14:49:32 | andersee | sjhill: So what was the deal with the segfaults in main()? |
| 14:49:41 | sjhill | hehe |
| 14:50:35 | sjhill | go to line 532 in 'ldso/ldso/readelflib1.c' |
| 14:51:18 | andersee | yup |
| 14:51:26 | sjhill | the value of 'dynamic_size' used is calculated differently for mips |
| 14:51:44 | andersee | ahh |
| 14:52:22 | andersee | A pointless ABI difference for the sake of being perverse I guess |
| 14:52:36 | sjhill | in the program headers DYNAMIC for all architectures but MIPS, the DYNAMIC header only contains the dyanmic section, for MIPS, the DYNAMIC header contains .dynamic .hash .dynsym .dynstr |
| 14:53:18 | sjhill | so, it was getting bogus and duplicate values for dynamic entries |
| 14:53:36 | andersee | Well, that would certainly explain it |
| 14:53:38 | sjhill | i wasn't performing all of the relocations in _dl_parse_relocations |
| 14:54:06 | sjhill | yeah, i was clued in when the static iostream array had values that i had to set manually |
| 14:54:20 | andersee | So hows the lib loader size on mips? |
| 14:54:28 | sjhill | i have learned SO much about ELF and the ABI |
| 14:54:28 | andersee | ~20k? |
| 14:54:32 | sjhill | yup |
| 14:55:00 | sjhill | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 21652 May 2 10:48 ld-uClibc-0.9.11.so |
| 14:55:16 | sjhill | i love it |
| 14:55:19 | andersee | sjhill: me too when I was getting x86, and later arm to work. A very educational chunk of code. |
| 14:55:46 | andersee | sjhill: how much smaller than glibc's is it? |
| 14:56:13 | sjhill | ld-2.2.4.so = 511979 |
| 14:56:16 | sjhill | hehe |
| 14:56:26 | andersee | Holy cow! |
| 14:56:39 | sjhill | wait, let me strip it |
| 14:56:58 | sjhill | ah, stripped = 125404 |
| 14:57:00 | sjhill | still |
| 14:57:14 | sjhill | 6x smaller |
| 14:57:21 | sjhill | bloat bloat |
| 15:05:26 | sjhill | andersee: is there a quick way to turn off stripping of all libraries and the linker? |
| 15:08:05 | andersee | Sure. Change striptool to in your Config to /bin/true |
| 15:08:07 | mallum | [OT-ish] can anybody point me at a some really nice hash code ? |
| 15:08:37 | andersee | mallum: sha1 and sha256 work well |
| 15:09:57 | andersee | mallum: but it really depends on what you are doing.... |
| 15:10:35 | mallum | andersee: yeah .... I need to think about this more, I'll check sha stuff in the mean time - thanks. |
| 15:43:26 | Morn | well, solaris 9 is now running :-) |
| 15:44:28 | Harlekin | Morn: any more progress with opie on tuxscreen? |
| 15:44:52 | Morn | Harlekin: I just forgot to backup the opie nfs mount when I installed solaris 9 |
| 15:45:04 | Morn | so I'll redo that tonight after I get solaris all fixed up |
| 15:45:05 | Harlekin | oh |
| 15:45:18 | Morn | I knew I was forgetting something |
| 15:45:22 | Harlekin | so it does not fit directly on the tuxscreen? |
| 15:45:37 | Morn | the tuxscreen only has 8meg of flash space |
| 15:45:41 | Morn | not nearly enough |
| 15:45:48 | Harlekin | how much is used via base system? |
| 15:45:55 | Harlekin | by |
| 15:46:17 | Morn | the basic boot and get networking is only a couple of megs |
| 15:47:09 | Harlekin | so how much would be left |
| 15:47:17 | Harlekin | is it using busybox allready? |
| 15:47:23 | Morn | my tux is down right now so I can't check easily |
| 15:47:27 | Morn | yes it uses busybox |
| 15:47:30 | Harlekin | k |
| 15:47:43 | Harlekin | so there should be 5 mb left |
| 15:47:44 | Harlekin | for opie |
| 15:47:51 | Harlekin | what about the ram |
| 15:47:59 | Morn | the ram is all used for well ram |
| 15:48:05 | Morn | it has 16mb standard |
| 15:48:15 | Morn | 8mb onboard and a 8mb sodimm |
| 15:48:27 | Morn | I have a 32mb sodimm in mine, but as of yet the kernel dosen't see it all |
| 15:48:42 | Morn | someone needs to rewrite the decompressor to see it all |
| 15:48:50 | Morn | that is beyond my abilities |
| 15:52:47 | pmisfit_ | fontenot: found a way around the bluescreen problem |
| 15:53:08 | pmisfit_ | fontenot: try adding this to /etc/inittab |
| 15:53:25 | pmisfit_ | "tty7::ONCE:/bin/startx" |
| 15:53:41 | pmisfit_ | reboot, you get x, and colors are fine. |
| 15:54:25 | pmisfit_ | oops, caps. "tty7::once:/bin/startx" |
| 15:55:16 | pmisfit_ | now i am convinced it's a controlling tty problem. |
| 15:57:40 | sjhill | andersee: nope, my libraries are still being stripped |
| 16:06:24 | Morn | Hi Tim |
| 16:11:57 | sjhill | andersee: duh, nevermind |
| 16:13:42 | Harlekin | hi BZFlag |
| 16:14:00 | pmisfit_ | apologizes for the auto-away |
| 16:16:04 | dc_ | makes some jelly and sneeks a dash of vodka into it :} |
| 16:16:33 | dc_ | yum! |
| 16:20:38 | mallum | dc_: ! |
| 16:20:51 | dc_ | mallum: tehehe =P |
| 16:21:09 | dc_ | mallum: thank god it's quick set jelly to. |
| 19:19:22 | prpplague | man rmk is a little upset over ppl's failure to follow instructions |
| 19:21:02 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:21:26 | file | prpplague : status of scrapping? |
| 19:25:20 | prpplague | file: nothing yet |
| 19:56:20 | prpplague | Aelhaz: found a new job yet? |
| 20:06:18 | Aelhaz | no |
| 20:06:47 | Aelhaz | timesys wants to talk to me for some reason . . . . that's a good thing, i guess, but getting a job with them would involve moving to pittsburgh |
| 20:22:19 | dc_ | how big is the tuxscreen ldc> |
| 20:22:22 | dc_ | ? |
| 20:22:27 | dc_ | s/ldc/lcd |
| 20:29:42 | Aelhaz | that info is on the wiki |
| 20:29:46 | Aelhaz | 7.7" i think |
| 20:53:33 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:54:19 | RedBeard | hi as |
| 20:54:31 | as_ | Red :] |
| 20:55:00 | as_ | Just when I think I know whats going on, the box gets more complicated. |
| 20:55:24 | as_ | If the box only has 4M of parallel flash, where is the memory at 0 located? |
| 21:14:52 | Aelhaz | as_: in the tux? |
| 21:15:56 | as_ | Yes. |
| 21:16:36 | as_ | The 4M flash is from 80000000 to 83FFFFFF. |
| 21:16:56 | as_ | But the CPU boots from 0. |
| 21:16:59 | Aelhaz | i thought it was at 0 |
| 21:17:08 | Aelhaz | maybe I dunno wtf i'm talking about :) |
| 21:17:25 | as_ | sboot tell you the offset from the flash base. |
| 21:17:30 | Aelhaz | hmm |
| 21:17:34 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 21:17:41 | Aelhaz | you'd have to talk to tim or russ |
| 21:18:16 | as_ | Hmm, Ive made a mistake there. |
| 21:18:48 | as_ | Its 08 00 00 00 to 08 3F FF FF |
| 21:18:58 | prpplague | Aelhaz: IIRC, the flash physical is at 0 however when the mmu is turned on and set the memory is then mapped out to a specific address |
| 21:19:17 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 21:19:20 | as_ | Hmm. |
| 21:19:33 | as_ | Where is 0 in flash then? |
| 21:20:39 | as_ | There is some code which identifies if its executing below 1000, so that was one assumption, but I wasnt able to find where it is in flash. |
| 21:20:55 | as_ | I'll try some searches from the dump. |
| 21:24:04 | as_ | Hmmm. |
| 21:24:40 | as_ | I wonder if 0 is remapped over becuase this word isnt in the dump. |
| 21:26:21 | Aelhaz | howdy tim |
| 21:29:48 | prpplague | as_: if you enable debug mode on blob, when the memory test starts you see where the actual memory is mapped to |
| 21:30:55 | as_ | Hmmm. |
| 21:31:12 | as_ | I'm not loading blob just yet. |
| 21:31:32 | prpplague | as_: ohh |
| 21:32:06 | prpplague | as_: are still doing some work on inferno? |
| 21:32:07 | as_ | The code allready documented has the first word of the flash being the first executed instruction. So I'll take that as right now. |
| 21:32:22 | as_ | Yes, I know when I make the move to linux I'll get horribly lost. |
| 21:32:35 | prpplague | as_: np |
| 21:33:44 | prpplague | as_: just remember that when the mmu is on and mapping, you could be in a totaly different location than what you think |
| 21:34:07 | as_ | Yes, that threw me. |
| 21:34:42 | as_ | Someone has dissasembled/commented the first code initially, so I'm not working from blank. |
| 21:35:22 | as_ | I dont like the way arm opcodes have evolved. |
| 21:37:49 | as_ | Not opcodes. Mnemonics. |
| 22:06:24 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:06:39 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:10:17 | scanline | is away: digital logic lab... |
| 22:39:18 | prpplague | argh, get this we have a new customer that spent $1.2million last year on windows licenses |
| 22:48:13 | sjm | morning all |
| 22:51:36 | Morn | hi |
| 23:45:34 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
